| Time |
Nick |
Message |
| 00:01 |
Vadtec |
egad those blocks are hard on the eyes |
| 00:01 |
Uberi |
nyancat tail :) |
| 00:02 |
Jordach |
isp is no longer throttling |
| 00:03 |
Vadtec |
oh...so thats what happened...a bunch of the -dev libs i had installed before were removed because they were out of date for 12.04...but it didnt bother installing the new versions during upgrade |
| 00:03 |
Vadtec |
how brilliant |
| 00:05 |
sapier |
Those of you interested in secure mods try out https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/pull/495 be aware that security needs to be enabled explicitly! |
| 00:05 |
sapier |
It's far less invasive than old way of doing it but still will limit mods |
| 00:07 |
Uberi |
nice, sapier |
| 00:07 |
sapier |
you still won't be able to open /etc/passwd with this version ;-) |
| 00:07 |
Uberi |
I can accept this one as a reasonable comprimise between security and functionality |
| 00:07 |
Vadtec |
weeeeeeeee compiling with 6 cores ftw |
| 00:08 |
sapier |
uberi this doesn't allow more than old one |
| 00:08 |
Uberi |
sapier: yes, but backwards compatibility is VERY important |
| 00:08 |
sapier |
it's not compatible at all if mods do things not allowed |
| 00:09 |
Vadtec |
random though: give blocks UNIX style permissions and drive people nuts :P |
| 00:09 |
sapier |
they'll get an error with this version too |
| 00:11 |
sapier |
have a look at line 80 to 100 I've almost disabled whole os and io functions ... it'd be far less work to replace those 2 functions remaining ;-P |
| 00:11 |
sapier |
vadtec this isn't about map content "security" at all it's about host system security |
| 00:12 |
sokomine |
vadtec: we have that with some mods already :-) protected areas on multiplayer servers |
| 00:12 |
Uberi |
although if you ask me, it should be the server owner's responsibility to check for mod integrity, rather than hobbling the modders :) |
| 00:13 |
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| 00:13 |
sapier |
you'll reconsider after some mod got your passwords sent to some attackers server |
| 00:14 |
Uberi |
you could say that for any program, really |
| 00:14 |
sapier |
and uberi there's almost no way any server hoster could review any version of mobf |
| 00:15 |
sapier |
uberi you shouldn't install arbitrary programs downloaded either ;-) |
| 00:15 |
Uberi |
exactly |
| 00:15 |
Uberi |
server owners should not install untrusted mods |
| 00:15 |
sapier |
so they should install only simple mods in your opinion? |
| 00:16 |
Vadtec |
sokomine: oh, my mistake, but i sitll think unix style perms would be hilarious |
| 00:16 |
Vadtec |
for blocks :P |
| 00:16 |
Uberi |
sapier: no no, trusted mods |
| 00:17 |
Uberi |
to use the program analogy again, I download Firefox, which is not at all simple, and install it because I trust mozilla |
| 00:17 |
sapier |
uberi I don't think you are aware what is neccesary to trust any binary data ? |
| 00:17 |
Vadtec |
wooooooooooo! got connected to my local server |
| 00:17 |
Uberi |
sapier: I'm quite aware, yes |
| 00:17 |
Uberi |
Vadtec: congratulations :) |
| 00:17 |
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| 00:18 |
Uberi |
go have fun and play around |
| 00:18 |
sapier |
and lots of ppl already got malware because of failing to download from correct page and got protected by virus scanners |
| 00:18 |
sapier |
bit there aren't any virus scanners around protecting agains lua mods |
| 00:18 |
Vadtec |
Uberi: my goal now would be to implement BuildCraft, Industrial Craft, and RedPower from the mc community |
| 00:18 |
Uberi |
Vadtec: no need :) |
| 00:18 |
Uberi |
try Mesecons + Technic |
| 00:19 |
* sokomine |
drops a few blocks of sand on vadtec :-) |
| 00:19 |
Uberi |
sapier: virus scanners are about as effective at binary data as they are at lua mods (read: not very) |
| 00:19 |
Uberi |
anyone can write a virus that gets past a scanner |
| 00:19 |
sapier |
virus scanners are effective on standard attacks |
| 00:19 |
sapier |
lua mods aren't standard attacks so they can't protect at all |
| 00:20 |
Uberi |
neither are nonstandard viruses |
| 00:20 |
sapier |
true but normal user isn't very likely to be attacked by a special virus |
| 00:20 |
Vadtec |
Uberi: checking them out now |
| 00:21 |
Uberi |
sapier: I saw a shellcode exploit recently that would serve up a different virus to every user, malware technology is coming a long way :P |
| 00:21 |
sapier |
still it's not a big change for modders if they can only write files in world and user folder .. they shouldn't write anywhere else either ;-P |
| 00:21 |
Uberi |
but yeah I see your point |
| 00:21 |
Uberi |
I'm not complaining, but it's something that I am wondering about |
| 00:22 |
Vadtec |
Uberi: so mesecons=red power (sorta), and technic=buildcraft/industrial craft (sorta) |
| 00:22 |
sapier |
neither should a mod be allowed to delete any file |
| 00:23 |
sapier |
or execute an application |
| 00:23 |
Uberi |
sorta, yeah |
| 00:24 |
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| 00:24 |
mauvebic |
that should kinda be up to server owners who chose their mods |
| 00:24 |
Uberi |
sapier: as a sort of counterexample, I needed to execute mkdir in WE to save schematics |
| 00:24 |
Uberi |
but of course the security is configurable |
| 00:24 |
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| 00:25 |
sapier |
you don't need it but I see it's comfortable |
| 00:25 |
sapier |
still you'd be fine if you only could mkdir within world or user folder |
| 00:25 |
Uberi |
sapier: no no, we do need it because lua has no way of creating folders |
| 00:25 |
Uberi |
that's why I'm excited about the file API |
| 00:26 |
sapier |
no you don't need it if it can be done by minetest api addition |
| 00:26 |
Uberi |
exactly |
| 00:26 |
Uberi |
but not a moment before |
| 00:26 |
sapier |
there's no reason NOT to add this feature |
| 00:26 |
Uberi |
but first the file API needs to be added |
| 00:27 |
Uberi |
as well as the ability to do the number of myriad legitimate things that we used that functionality for |
| 00:27 |
sokomine |
such a feature would be great, yes. it's annoying if mods have to know which os they run on just to execute the right shell command to get a directory... |
| 00:27 |
Uberi |
plus things like the IRC mod must be made possible somehow |
| 00:28 |
Uberi |
so that means we need some sort of controlled support for external libs |
| 00:28 |
Uberi |
or a network API |
| 00:28 |
sapier |
uberi you'll always find a thing you have forgotton this is no excuse for not adding security |
| 00:29 |
Uberi |
sapier: it's no excuse for making a whole bunch of existing mods impossible, either, though |
| 00:29 |
sapier |
if you wan't security you'll have to disable anything first and enable features as you need them and think about any function you enable |
| 00:29 |
Vadtec |
is the list of server commands on the wiki mostly accurate? or should i be looking elsewhere for server commands? |
| 00:29 |
Uberi |
Vadtec: try /help |
| 00:29 |
sapier |
if you enable everything you'll always forget some function |
| 00:29 |
Uberi |
it will list all commands currently installed |
| 00:29 |
Vadtec |
Uberi: thanks |
| 00:29 |
Uberi |
no problem :) |
| 00:30 |
sapier |
a whole bunch? there are at most 3 mods out there that couln't do without this |
| 00:30 |
sapier |
most are just to lazy to do it correct |
| 00:30 |
Vadtec |
:o i cant use /grant lol |
| 00:30 |
Vadtec |
think im about to have to edit a config file |
| 00:30 |
Uberi |
sapier: how do you propose we use the IRC mod without network access? |
| 00:31 |
sapier |
network access is something inherently dangerous |
| 00:31 |
Uberi |
so the IRC mod should be made impossible as a result then? |
| 00:31 |
VanessaE |
only if your networking libraries etc are weak |
| 00:32 |
Uberi |
yep |
| 00:32 |
sapier |
I don't know of any network librarys with capabilitys to verify destination |
| 00:32 |
VanessaE |
the problem isn't verifying anything - the problem is exploiting what's at the remote end |
| 00:32 |
VanessaE |
if the remote's network stack, server utils, etc. are weak, they can be compromised |
| 00:33 |
Uberi |
but why do we need to verify the destination? |
| 00:33 |
sapier |
but network is a different problem ... if network support is wanted this library should be added to core and loading enabled per config setting |
| 00:33 |
VanessaE |
I agree. |
| 00:33 |
Uberi |
any remote code executed is in the sandbox of security, yes? |
| 00:33 |
VanessaE |
the engine should have some kind of basic networking library that mods can hook into |
| 00:33 |
Uberi |
yes, that's my point |
| 00:33 |
sapier |
you don't open up your garage door in dangerous neighbourhood just to let your dog pass whenever he wants |
| 00:33 |
VanessaE |
Uberi: dunno, but if your server runs as an unprivileged user, like mine does, what can a hacker possibly do but maybe wipe out files associated with that user? |
| 00:34 |
VanessaE |
(which backups exist for) |
| 00:34 |
Uberi |
VanessaE: not even that, since we are assuming the hacker's code runs in a sandbox |
| 00:34 |
Uberi |
so there is really no risk of allowing network access, technically |
| 00:34 |
Uberi |
since you already assume the code is untrusted and possibly malicious |
| 00:34 |
sapier |
currently he's able to try all those local exploits available ... and local exploits aren't fixed as fast as remote vulnerabilities |
| 00:35 |
sapier |
uberi hackers code isn't running in a sandbox atm |
| 00:35 |
sapier |
lua isn't a sandbox at all |
| 00:35 |
Uberi |
then that's a sandbox deficiency, is it not? |
| 00:35 |
Uberi |
(oh I refer the the secure env as a sandbox, btw) |
| 00:35 |
sapier |
no lua just isn't designed to be a sandbox |
| 00:36 |
sapier |
what do you mean with "secure env" |
| 00:36 |
Uberi |
sapier: the environment in which the patch has disabled all dangerous functionality |
| 00:36 |
Vadtec |
ok...am i missing something, i set my privs to all in the auth.txt file and restarted the server |
| 00:37 |
Vadtec |
the /privs command says i have all privs |
| 00:37 |
Uberi |
yes, Vadtec? |
| 00:37 |
Vadtec |
but i still cant use fast move |
| 00:37 |
Vadtec |
nor does /grant work |
| 00:37 |
Uberi |
did you press Shift + J? |
| 00:37 |
Vadtec |
no, just j |
| 00:37 |
sapier |
ok this should slow down hackers |
| 00:37 |
Uberi |
try Shift + J |
| 00:37 |
Vadtec |
either one tells me "no fastmove privs" |
| 00:38 |
Uberi |
sapier: slow down hackers? |
| 00:38 |
Uberi |
if the hackers can get around the sandbox remotely, a mod can do the same thing |
| 00:38 |
sapier |
no sandbox is perfect uberi |
| 00:38 |
Uberi |
then how do the theoretical malicious hackers get around it? |
| 00:39 |
Vadtec |
Uberi: it tells me i dont have the "fast" priv, and /grant Vadtec fast tells me i dont have enough privs to do that |
| 00:39 |
sapier |
buffer overflows, fill filesystem ... some things I haven't seen when creating sandbox ... I can't disable raw access functions for example as all those register functions depend on it |
| 00:40 |
Uberi |
Vadtec: do you have the server priv? |
| 00:40 |
Vadtec |
in auth.txt i set my priv to all |
| 00:41 |
Uberi |
hmm, maybe try adding server |
| 00:41 |
Uberi |
sapier: I hope you don't mind my playing devil's advocate, but buffer overflows in that code would also leave it vulnerable to buffer overflows in the remote media fetching, right? |
| 00:44 |
sapier |
of course |
| 00:45 |
Uberi |
as well as a bunch of other networking code in Minetest itself, as a result |
| 00:45 |
* Jordach |
has finally worked out blander |
| 00:45 |
Jordach |
blender |
| 00:45 |
Uberi |
(I know, MT doesn't use curl for most networking stuff, but in theory) |
| 00:45 |
Vadtec |
Uberi: i added all,privs,server to my auth and i can do stuff now |
| 00:45 |
sapier |
I've added mkdir rmdir and remove support to security patches |
| 00:45 |
sapier |
limited to user and world folder of course |
| 00:46 |
sapier |
anything else (except of networking) you require uberi? |
| 00:46 |
Uberi |
sapier: no no, I didn't need much along those lines, but I did want to share my concerns with you |
| 00:47 |
sapier |
yes and I do value your concerns as they are legit I've added this |
| 00:47 |
Uberi |
thanks :) |
| 00:47 |
sapier |
still if someone asks for execute permission I don't consider this a legit operation for a mod |
| 00:48 |
Uberi |
the main purpose is to reduce these hacky workarounds and provide better ways to do them |
| 00:49 |
sapier |
execute to do dir operations is a hack so adding this feature was already necessar |
| 00:49 |
sapier |
y |
| 00:49 |
Uberi |
yeah |
| 00:50 |
sapier |
it's os.mkdir and os.rmdir now ... ok I haven't tested it |
| 00:50 |
Uberi |
ooh, nice |
| 00:50 |
Uberi |
is there also a directory listing method? |
| 00:50 |
sapier |
plz try and tell me if it's going to work (it's available with security enabled only) |
| 00:52 |
* Jordach |
tries to make a nice model and ends up with a nuke |
| 00:52 |
MiJyn |
Jordach, nice! xD |
| 00:52 |
Uberi |
Jordach: make that a mod! |
| 00:53 |
Jordach |
...just gave it a wingtip |
| 00:53 |
Uberi |
nuke with wingtip! |
| 00:55 |
Jordach |
impaling spikes now |
| 00:56 |
MiJyn |
haha |
| 00:56 |
MiJyn |
ok |
| 00:57 |
Vadtec |
is it just my install, or does stuff rendering in the distance not render consitently? like, i can see whats under the water at the edge of the render zone, but the water itself hasnt rendered |
| 00:58 |
NekoGloop |
Yup. |
| 00:58 |
Vadtec |
NekoGloop: so...is it me or the rendering engine? |
| 00:58 |
Vadtec |
lol |
| 00:59 |
NekoGloop |
the rendering is borked |
| 00:59 |
Vadtec |
kk |
| 01:01 |
Vadtec |
awwww, you cant fly under water |
| 01:01 |
Vadtec |
lol |
| 01:02 |
Uberi |
Vadtec: do you have worldedit yet? |
| 01:02 |
Vadtec |
Uberi: nope, im still playing with stock MT |
| 01:03 |
Uberi |
ah, well then I might be a little biased, but WE and Mesecons are essential to the MT experience :) |
| 01:04 |
Vadtec |
eeep...i just flew through a whole big mountain |
| 01:04 |
Vadtec |
what happened to the collision detection lol |
| 01:05 |
Uberi |
you have fly mode on |
| 01:05 |
Uberi |
do you have noclip? |
| 01:05 |
Vadtec |
theres a whole big section of blocks i can just fly through lol |
| 01:05 |
Vadtec |
noclip priv? or a mod? |
| 01:05 |
RealBadAngel |
noclip is a priv |
| 01:05 |
RealBadAngel |
toggled with H |
| 01:06 |
Vadtec |
i guess, since i gave my self "all" |
| 01:06 |
Vadtec |
but...why can i fly through blocks but not water with novlip? |
| 01:06 |
Vadtec |
noclip* |
| 01:06 |
RealBadAngel |
answer is 42 |
| 01:07 |
Uberi |
you can't fly through water? what happens? |
| 01:07 |
Vadtec |
when i get to the water i stop and cant pass through it |
| 01:07 |
Vadtec |
i just did /revoke Vadtec noclip |
| 01:07 |
Vadtec |
and i can still fly through these blocks |
| 01:07 |
Uberi |
hmm that is pretty strange |
| 01:07 |
Vadtec |
i wonder... |
| 01:08 |
Vadtec |
im using mt0.4.4 client |
| 01:08 |
Vadtec |
and when i start it, it says it might not be fully compatible with the server im connected to |
| 01:08 |
Vadtec |
which i installed that version Jordach linked me earlier |
| 01:09 |
Vadtec |
could that be the issue? |
| 01:09 |
RealBadAngel |
propably he gave you link to newer build |
| 01:09 |
Vadtec |
oh wait! |
| 01:09 |
RealBadAngel |
0.4.4 is latest stable |
| 01:09 |
Vadtec |
the wiki says "K" is fly |
| 01:09 |
Uberi |
shift K |
| 01:09 |
Vadtec |
but when i press it in the client it says "free move" |
| 01:09 |
Uberi |
that's basically what fly is |
| 01:10 |
Vadtec |
but is that supposed to disable collision detection like that? |
| 01:10 |
RealBadAngel |
no |
| 01:10 |
RealBadAngel |
collision detection is toggled with noclip priv |
| 01:10 |
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| 01:10 |
RealBadAngel |
H on your keyboard |
| 01:10 |
Vadtec |
well there is a section about 128x128 in size i can fly through even with noclip turned off |
| 01:11 |
Vadtec |
H does nothing for me, and i even revoked noclip for my self |
| 01:11 |
RealBadAngel |
what is the build of server? |
| 01:12 |
Vadtec |
ummm, sec |
| 01:12 |
Vadtec |
RealBadAngel: Jordach linked me this: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/archive/master.zip |
| 01:13 |
Vadtec |
0.4.4-d1 |
| 01:13 |
Vadtec |
according to the client |
| 01:13 |
RealBadAngel |
so you have compiled latest from source and connectin with 0.4.4 stable to it? |
| 01:13 |
RealBadAngel |
why? |
| 01:14 |
Vadtec |
because the server is on linux and I dont have a cross compile enviro setup atm and my client is on win7 |
| 01:14 |
RealBadAngel |
hold on a sec |
| 01:14 |
Uberi |
Vadtec: try a nightly windows build |
| 01:15 |
RealBadAngel |
http://sfan.sf.funpic.de/minetest-builds/ |
| 01:15 |
RealBadAngel |
pick your download from here |
| 01:16 |
RealBadAngel |
latest, of course |
| 01:16 |
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| 01:17 |
Vadtec |
http://sfan.sf.funpic.de/minetest-builds/c55/minetest-0.4.4-1d13d10-win32.7z <--- i assume is latest? |
| 01:17 |
Vadtec |
derp |
| 01:17 |
Vadtec |
ignore me |
| 01:17 |
Vadtec |
didnt read far enough |
| 01:18 |
* Vadtec |
gives himself a durka durka badge for the day |
| 01:20 |
* VanessaE |
kicks her computer for being stupid |
| 01:20 |
RealBadAngel |
watch it, it can kick you back ;) |
| 01:20 |
Vadtec |
or it might format itself |
| 01:20 |
Vadtec |
however, HITTING a computer is perfectly safe |
| 01:21 |
Vadtec |
they just do what they are told when they get hit |
| 01:21 |
Uberi |
yeah it'll open the CD tray and shoot out CDs like razor blades |
| 01:22 |
RealBadAngel |
and let the mouse bite you |
| 01:22 |
VanessaE |
in that case I'll go to the store and buy a shotgun. :-) |
| 01:22 |
Vadtec |
when i run that nightly build i get "the ordinal 55 could not be located in the DLL zlib1.dll" |
| 01:22 |
Vadtec |
and then it exits when i click ok |
| 01:23 |
RealBadAngel |
? funny, broken build? try next one to latest |
| 01:24 |
RealBadAngel |
http://minetest.ru/builds/minetest-2013.02.16-8d920dd09b.zip |
| 01:24 |
RealBadAngel |
or try this one |
| 01:25 |
VanessaE |
also, I'm gonna shoot the moron who decided that file:///blahblah/blah/blah%20foo%2cbar%20and%20baz was a smart way to handle LOCAL filee |
| 01:25 |
VanessaE |
files* |
| 01:25 |
Vadtec |
same error from 2nd to latest, lemme try that other link then |
| 01:26 |
Vadtec |
if i had a decent compiler for win id just do that lol |
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| 01:29 |
Vadtec |
RealBadAngel: that last link worked (started) |
| 01:29 |
Vadtec |
lemme check out the collision detection |
| 01:29 |
Vadtec |
MUCH better :P |
| 01:30 |
Vadtec |
so i guess the current nightly is busted lol |
| 01:30 |
RealBadAngel |
propably some libraries not included |
| 01:30 |
RealBadAngel |
http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=1523 |
| 01:31 |
Vadtec |
ah |
| 01:31 |
* Vadtec |
bookmarks |
| 01:31 |
RealBadAngel |
go level up |
| 01:31 |
RealBadAngel |
there are 3 topics with windows builds |
| 01:32 |
Vadtec |
i just need to get something like cygwin or my cross compile envrio setup again |
| 01:32 |
Vadtec |
then i can build on my own |
| 01:32 |
RealBadAngel |
better compile on linux |
| 01:32 |
Vadtec |
but damn cross compile is a bitch to keep current |
| 01:34 |
mrtux |
I just compiled Minetest on my arch linux computer |
| 01:35 |
mrtux |
and when I ran it and connected to a server |
| 01:35 |
mrtux |
the display started screwing up |
| 01:35 |
mrtux |
and minetest segfaulted. |
| 01:35 |
mrtux |
Do I need the propietary nvidia drivers? |
| 01:36 |
RealBadAngel |
you should try them |
| 01:36 |
mrtux |
okay. |
| 01:37 |
mrtux |
I guess you would think it would work as my graphics card is old. |
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| 01:41 |
telek |
mrtux: Actually the nvidia open source drivers are better with 2 year old cards and worse with both newer and older cards I believe. |
| 01:41 |
mrtux |
I have a Nvidia GeForce FX 5200. |
| 01:42 |
mrtux |
on the arch wiki it says: |
| 01:42 |
mrtux |
For GeForce 5 FX series cards [NV30-NV38], install nvidia-173xx package, available in the AUR. |
| 01:42 |
mrtux |
should be what I need I think. |
| 01:44 |
telek |
Yeah |
| 01:44 |
mrtux |
okay |
| 01:44 |
mrtux |
thanks. |
| 01:44 |
telek |
Beats ATI anyhow. |
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| 01:44 |
mrtux |
yeah |
| 01:44 |
telek |
If the open source drivers don't work you're SOL because the FGLRX drivers only run on whatever 5 kernel minors they were compiled during (if that) |
| 01:45 |
telek |
And only that particular xorg revision. |
| 01:45 |
mrtux |
alright. |
| 01:52 |
Vadtec |
is there a complete list of items in stock MT somewhere? looking on the wiki im only finding partial lists |
| 01:52 |
Vadtec |
and a lot of mod stuff it seems |
| 01:55 |
Vadtec |
wow caves in MT are...big...and dangerous |
| 01:55 |
Vadtec |
glad i can fly lol |
| 02:02 |
Vadtec |
so does anyone have the list of items? |
| 02:03 |
Vadtec |
http://wiki.minetest.com/wiki/Item_Codes/default |
| 02:03 |
Vadtec |
a lot of those arent working |
| 02:03 |
Vadtec |
like "pick_steel" |
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| 02:04 |
VanessaE |
you have to prepend them with 'default". |
| 02:04 |
VanessaE |
default:pick_mese and so on |
| 02:04 |
Vadtec |
oh, even if you arent using mods i guess |
| 02:05 |
VanessaE |
yup |
| 02:05 |
VanessaE |
because default IS a mod. |
| 02:05 |
sokomine |
the invasion of npc... |
| 02:05 |
Vadtec |
VanessaE: ah, gotcha |
| 02:07 |
Vadtec |
i really like the cave algo in MT |
| 02:07 |
Vadtec |
it makes for some realistic caves and such |
| 02:09 |
RealBadAngel |
Vadtec, install this mod http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3933 |
| 02:09 |
sokomine |
they might be realistic. i think they're a bit big... |
| 02:09 |
RealBadAngel |
read the post about install |
| 02:09 |
Vadtec |
RealBadAngel: yer a godsend, i was looking for a mod just like that lol |
| 02:09 |
RealBadAngel |
then click on craft, then item to the lelft |
| 02:10 |
sokomine |
optimal for players who want to live underground...else...huge and a distraction from mining |
| 02:10 |
RealBadAngel |
it will tell you item name |
| 02:10 |
VanessaE |
RealBadAngel: that reminds me: you need to allow for someone to move an item from their inventory into the crafting result slot when in Craft Guide mode |
| 02:11 |
VanessaE |
so they don't have to find and select it from the creative inventory |
| 02:11 |
Vadtec |
sokomine: as someone who enjoys playing dwarven chacaters in D&D and games...hehe, i dont mind caves |
| 02:12 |
Vadtec |
so...MT isnt braindead stupid about mods like MC is right? basically just drop them in the mods dir and reload your client and they work without a bunch of BS... |
| 02:15 |
Vadtec |
RealBadAngel: question, since im running a server, do I need to put that mod on the server? |
| 02:15 |
Vadtec |
or my client? |
| 02:15 |
RealBadAngel |
server |
| 02:15 |
Vadtec |
and still delete the /creative folder |
| 02:16 |
RealBadAngel |
/games/minetest_game/mods/creative |
| 02:17 |
Vadtec |
right |
| 02:18 |
Vadtec |
wow thats nice |
| 02:18 |
Vadtec |
specially since it can be loaded from the server |
| 02:19 |
Vadtec |
being able to load mods from the server is damn handy imo |
| 02:19 |
Vadtec |
makes it so much easier to ensure consistent clients |
| 02:20 |
VanessaE |
they don't load from the server, as such |
| 02:20 |
VanessaE |
just the images/sounds/models |
| 02:20 |
VanessaE |
the code still runs on the server. |
| 02:20 |
RealBadAngel |
VanessaE, updated UI in technic with that feature |
| 02:20 |
VanessaE |
RealBadAngel: thanks |
| 02:21 |
RealBadAngel |
it work only in creative of course ;) |
| 02:22 |
VanessaE |
right |
| 02:22 |
Vadtec |
VanessaE: so...all mods could technically be run from the server? or are there still mods that would be client side? |
| 02:22 |
VanessaE |
they always run from the server |
| 02:22 |
Vadtec |
oh sweet |
| 02:22 |
VanessaE |
there are no client-side mods. |
| 02:23 |
sokomine |
vadtec: then you'll surely enjoy those large caves :-) |
| 02:23 |
RealBadAngel |
even single player game means that server is launched on local |
| 02:23 |
VanessaE |
when you're in single player mode, you're technically running a server + client at the same time, the game just doesn't make a big deal of it |
| 02:23 |
Vadtec |
right, i get that |
| 02:23 |
Vadtec |
but i wasnt aware the client is nothing more than a GUI per se |
| 02:23 |
Vadtec |
and that mods are running on the server itself |
| 02:23 |
VanessaE |
though there has been a lot of talk lately about making client-side mods possible, not sure what the progress is on that front. |
| 02:24 |
Vadtec |
i for one hope it doesnt happen |
| 02:24 |
Vadtec |
for a myriad of reasons |
| 02:24 |
RealBadAngel |
those could be good for gfx mods |
| 02:24 |
sokomine |
hm, maybe you could call some ways of cheating "mods" on the client side (i.e. flying without that priv) |
| 02:24 |
Vadtec |
foremost being the ease of making sure your clients have everything necessary to connect to your server |
| 02:24 |
Vadtec |
and that there are no version conflicts etc |
| 02:25 |
RealBadAngel |
or for mods like ambience |
| 02:25 |
VanessaE |
oh nonono I think the idea behind client-side mods would be, for example, particles |
| 02:25 |
VanessaE |
things that only you need to see/hear |
| 02:25 |
* sokomine |
nods to vanessa |
| 02:25 |
VanessaE |
ambiance is another good example of something that ought to be client-side |
| 02:25 |
Vadtec |
im going to use mc as an example...there was a server I played on that ran buildcraft and industrial craft...if the mc client didnt match EXACTLY what the server had, you couldnt even connect |
| 02:26 |
Vadtec |
ok, ambiance etc i agree with |
| 02:26 |
sokomine |
true. would save downloading their data (which is annoying especially if you don't want to hear anything and have speakers off) |
| 02:26 |
Vadtec |
but as for functionality, that all needs to be server side |
| 02:27 |
sokomine |
vadtec: sounds more trouble than in mt. in mt, you ought to have a version of client roughly suitable to the server as far as version goes. even that is not very strict anymore |
| 02:27 |
RealBadAngel |
but on the other hand when using music player on a server it was fun |
| 02:27 |
VanessaE |
Vadtec: the difference between that and MT is that MT doesn't do versioning by mod content |
| 02:27 |
RealBadAngel |
when i was getting close to players house that listened to some music, it was getting louder |
| 02:28 |
RealBadAngel |
pretty neat |
| 02:28 |
Vadtec |
VanessaE: i was referrign to the fact that you had server side libs and client side libs that had to match *exactly* in order for you to even connect |
| 02:28 |
Vadtec |
if the server updated and you didnt, you were screwed |
| 02:28 |
VanessaE |
right, see that doesn't happen with MT |
| 02:28 |
VanessaE |
and won't. |
| 02:28 |
VanessaE |
because we don't mix up the concept of client-side vs. server-side. |
| 02:28 |
Vadtec |
and never mind all the mod conflicts n crap like that |
| 02:29 |
Vadtec |
i may have to fully learn LUA now |
| 02:29 |
RealBadAngel |
if you want to do so just read other mods |
| 02:29 |
VanessaE |
do it. you'll be glad you did. |
| 02:29 |
Vadtec |
if thats all it takes to make mods for MT (in a nutshell) Ill finally have a reason to add it to my list of langs i know |
| 02:30 |
VanessaE |
yup, that's all it takes - Lua and knowledge of the minetest modding API |
| 02:30 |
Vadtec |
though the old school coder in me really wants to dive back into C/C++ land and have fun there |
| 02:30 |
VanessaE |
skills in texturing and audio mastering are helpful though |
| 02:30 |
RealBadAngel |
sure, i went same way |
| 02:30 |
Vadtec |
or maybe not...ive been in Python land for a very long time now, i dont know if i can tolerate C++ any more lol |
| 02:30 |
RealBadAngel |
lotsa fun coding for the engine |
| 02:31 |
sokomine |
i do have a question about spawning (if there is already a good function for that): i have an area (maybe 10x10 nodes width) with a house in it and want to spawn an npc there. what i need is a way to locate a space in that area that has (from bottom to top) ground to stand on, air, air (basicly: space for the npc to exist) |
| 02:31 |
Vadtec |
i suppose if i wanted to try and kill my self i could try to do a python interface lol |
| 02:32 |
RealBadAngel |
look for ground node in given radius |
| 02:32 |
RealBadAngel |
take its pos and check 2 nodes above if its air |
| 02:34 |
sokomine |
ground may vary depending on what the house is build of. so maybe i ought to take just a random position, check that and either go up or down. hm. roofs might be problematic |
| 02:34 |
Vadtec |
RealBadAngel: maybe im being braindead...im trying to craft a chest using your mod, but when I click craft, i dont get anything, and dragging it doesnt seem to work either |
| 02:35 |
RealBadAngel |
craft is name of tab |
| 02:35 |
sokomine |
you usually craft a chest by filling your crafting grid with wooden planks - except for the middle slot. that one remains empty. if you want a locked chest, put a steel_ingot there |
| 02:35 |
RealBadAngel |
press this button to show crafting grids |
| 02:35 |
VanessaE |
RealBadAngel: change "Craft" to "Crafting" |
| 02:35 |
sokomine |
that's the same way as in mc |
| 02:35 |
VanessaE |
to say "Craft" does sort of imply an action rather than a capability |
| 02:36 |
Vadtec |
sokomine: i get that...lol |
| 02:36 |
sokomine |
many receipes are at least similar |
| 02:36 |
sokomine |
ok :-) |
| 02:36 |
Vadtec |
RealBadAngel: yeah, thats the confusion, i thought Craft meant it would make the item |
| 02:36 |
Vadtec |
not that it was a tab |
| 02:36 |
sokomine |
you do pull that thing with the mouse into your inventory. guess that counts as "craft" :-) |
| 02:36 |
RealBadAngel |
i will change that in the future, need to make bar there instead of buttons |
| 02:36 |
sokomine |
ah, crafting guide. ok |
| 02:37 |
Vadtec |
the thing is, when i click on the chest in the list on the left, it takes me to the crafting guide |
| 02:37 |
Vadtec |
or is this mod just a guide and doesnt do it for you |
| 02:38 |
Vadtec |
i guess its intended functionality isnt clear to me |
| 02:38 |
Vadtec |
i liken it to CraftBook for MC |
| 02:38 |
MiJyn |
we all like cheap golf clubs on minetest forums, don't we? http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=71040#p71040 |
| 02:38 |
MiJyn |
:P |
| 02:39 |
MiJyn |
wait, they aren' |
| 02:39 |
MiJyn |
*aren't cheap.... dang.... oh well, I like having pro's golf clubs :P |
| 02:39 |
sokomine |
maybe someone wants to build a mod for a golf course :-) |
| 02:40 |
MiJyn |
haha hmm, that'd actaully be a cool idea! |
| 02:40 |
MiJyn |
*actually |
| 02:41 |
RealBadAngel |
if you are in surrival mode clickin an item in list shows you crafting |
| 02:41 |
Vadtec |
RealBadAngel: pretty sure im not in survival as there are no mobs :P |
| 02:41 |
RealBadAngel |
when you are in creative it places full stack of it into your inventory |
| 02:42 |
Vadtec |
weird |
| 02:42 |
Vadtec |
how do i know which mode im in? |
| 02:42 |
NekoGloop |
there ARE no mobs. |
| 02:42 |
RealBadAngel |
youre in surrival mode, mobs are added by mods too |
| 02:43 |
Vadtec |
ok...someone take my head, place it between a door and a door frame...and get all these misconceptions about MT because ive played MC out of my head |
| 02:43 |
Vadtec |
please |
| 02:43 |
VanessaE |
NekoGloop: only remember that there is no MOB, it is only you that attacks players. |
| 02:43 |
VanessaE |
no, that doesn't work does it. |
| 02:43 |
VanessaE |
:) |
| 02:45 |
Vadtec |
hmmmmmm, i think i found a bug with the client im using...if you open a chest, you cant move with WASD until you move the mouse |
| 02:45 |
VanessaE |
old bug. |
| 02:45 |
VanessaE |
everyone has that issue. |
| 02:45 |
Vadtec |
well at least i found it :P i wouldnt be a good programmer if i didnt |
| 02:46 |
VanessaE |
it happens almost anywhere that a formspec is used |
| 02:46 |
VanessaE |
chests, furnaces, etc |
| 02:46 |
ShadowNinja |
bigger bug, sometimes the chest gets replaced by what you are holding |
| 02:46 |
ShadowNinja |
as if it were buildable to |
| 02:47 |
VanessaE |
yeah I've seen that happen with other nodes also on rare occasion |
| 02:48 |
telek |
Oh another issue with the current physics code. |
| 02:48 |
telek |
Jumping out of water gives you superspeed moving forward? |
| 02:48 |
VanessaE |
this apparently is intentional, but a little buggy in my opinion |
| 02:48 |
telek |
Also e keeps making foot noises when you're already touching the 'bottom' of a pool of water. |
| 02:49 |
telek |
Same here. |
| 02:49 |
VanessaE |
I ain't a fricken DOLPHIN damn it :-) |
| 02:49 |
telek |
:) |
| 02:49 |
telek |
That actually would be a BENEFIT of the code if you could recreate normal behavior in it. |
| 02:49 |
telek |
Allow multiple player 'races' with different physics for different types of materials. |
| 02:50 |
Vadtec |
so, mod question (for my own reference)...how does MT handle mods creating items? is there some sort of conflict resolution to handle random mods adding random items? |
| 02:50 |
telek |
Like humans who're slower on stone than dwarves, elves who're faster on grass/in forests, etc. |
| 02:50 |
telek |
Vadtec: First come first served I believe. |
| 02:51 |
telek |
Well for recipes, I think it'll throw errors on duplicate item definitions. |
| 02:51 |
Vadtec |
so its still possible for items to collide |
| 02:51 |
sokomine |
every item has a name in the form modname:itemname |
| 02:52 |
Vadtec |
so items arent really numbered, but instead are referred to by name |
| 02:52 |
sokomine |
accidental collusion would thus only occour if two mods bear the same name |
| 02:52 |
Vadtec |
ergo, no conflicts unless two mods are named the same with the same items |
| 02:52 |
sokomine |
right. there's no numbering. only naming |
| 02:52 |
Vadtec |
very nice |
| 02:53 |
Vadtec |
numbering should be an internal thing only, not something the mod user has to deal with |
| 02:53 |
sokomine |
if you remove a mod from your server, your world will contain unknown items. if you add that mod back, the unknown items will become known again |
| 02:54 |
Vadtec |
that could lead to some interesting things lol |
| 02:54 |
sokomine |
that's about the only situation where modnames are overloaded (to keep compatibilty with older versions). that's very intentional then to keep things working :-) |
| 02:54 |
Vadtec |
make a massive bridge....get all yer people on it...restart server sans bridge mod...so evil :P |
| 02:56 |
VanessaE |
wouldn't do anything. |
| 02:56 |
VanessaE |
the bridge would just turn into unknown blocks. |
| 02:56 |
Vadtec |
oh |
| 02:56 |
Vadtec |
well...not as fun then |
| 02:57 |
Vadtec |
i guess id have to load another mod that made those blocks into air then lol |
| 02:58 |
sokomine |
too much work. just change the walkable-property of the node your bridge is made out of |
| 02:58 |
Vadtec |
heh |
| 02:59 |
Vadtec |
the fact that i can add mods to the server and my kids can use them without me having to maintain their clients is gonna be golden |
| 03:00 |
Vadtec |
i have an old dell lappy thats like a 1.6Ghz with 1.5-2G of ram |
| 03:00 |
Vadtec |
would that be enough to run MT (client) on? |
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jojoa1997 |
olcoder |
| 03:01 |
ShadowNinja |
Vadec: yes |
| 03:01 |
ShadowNinja |
and server |
| 03:01 |
Vadtec |
sweet! now both my kids can have a lappy to play MT on...they have had to share the one good lappy i have lol |
| 03:01 |
ShadowNinja |
mt is designed to use little resources |
| 03:02 |
Vadtec |
of course, its not written in java with its moronic garbage collector that doesnt work |
| 03:02 |
Vadtec |
well |
| 03:02 |
ShadowNinja |
a better computer will give you nicer graphics though |
| 03:02 |
Vadtec |
rephrase, its moronic garbage collector that java programmers dont know how to use properly |
| 03:03 |
ShadowNinja |
I personaly use a i5 with 2.5 or so ghz and builtin grphics |
| 03:03 |
ShadowNinja |
graphics* |
| 03:03 |
Vadtec |
i have my lenovo lappy thats an i5 3.2ghz with 4g of ram and a fairly decent GPU |
| 03:04 |
Vadtec |
and then that old dell lappy |
| 03:04 |
ShadowNinja |
then you should have no trouble |
| 03:04 |
Vadtec |
my kids are gonna love this |
| 03:04 |
Vadtec |
btw...how do you take screen shots in MT? print screen like normal? |
| 03:05 |
ShadowNinja |
f12 |
| 03:05 |
Vadtec |
ah |
| 03:05 |
Vadtec |
the landscaping in MT is so much better than MC |
| 03:05 |
ShadowNinja |
new mapgen v6 |
| 03:06 |
ShadowNinja |
v7 comming soon... |
| 03:06 |
Vadtec |
i can only hope v7 is even more kick ass |
| 03:07 |
Vadtec |
maybe i can get volcanos and/or meteor craters in v8 :P |
| 03:07 |
ShadowNinja |
do you have mt runnibg now? |
| 03:07 |
ShadowNinja |
running* |
| 03:07 |
Vadtec |
yeah |
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Vadtec |
screwing around with stock MT for now |
| 03:08 |
Vadtec |
was gonna get more familiar with it |
| 03:09 |
Vadtec |
then look at some of the mods people have mentioned today |
| 03:09 |
ShadowNinja |
want to try a server? |
| 03:09 |
Vadtec |
sure |
| 03:10 |
Vadtec |
man...i really LIKE the idea that i can connect to any server i want and dont have to dick around with the client trying to get it to work |
| 03:10 |
ShadowNinja |
try menche.servegame.com |
| 03:10 |
VanessaE |
aw y u no point him to my server? :-( |
| 03:11 |
NekoGloop |
Because your server is later than last stable. |
| 03:11 |
ShadowNinja |
I was thinking survival |
| 03:11 |
VanessaE |
heh true |
| 03:11 |
RealBadAngel |
hes not using stable |
| 03:11 |
ShadowNinja |
I would recomend latest git |
| 03:11 |
Vadtec |
im using whatever RealBadAngel linked me to |
| 03:11 |
Vadtec |
but i have the latest stable on my machine |
| 03:11 |
Vadtec |
if thats what id need |
| 03:12 |
VanessaE |
I don't think my server works with stable :-) |
| 03:12 |
RealBadAngel |
hes using latest builds |
| 03:12 |
ShadowNinja |
go to forums > general disucission > sfan5/xyz/PilzAdams builds |
| 03:13 |
NekoGloop |
He'd need to be using a proper os, ShadowNinja. |
| 03:13 |
ShadowNinja |
he has latest? |
| 03:13 |
Vadtec |
lol |
| 03:13 |
Vadtec |
well said NekoGloop |
| 03:13 |
Vadtec |
i have minetest-0.4.4-win32 from the MT website |
| 03:13 |
Vadtec |
and minetest-2013.02.16-8d920dd09b from RealBadAngel |
| 03:13 |
NekoGloop |
Ah, he is using a proper os. |
| 03:14 |
RealBadAngel |
NekoGloop, he has linux too :P |
| 03:14 |
ShadowNinja |
well that will do, you just won't be able to use locked chests |
| 03:14 |
Vadtec |
RealBadAngel: only as a VPS on this win7 box sadly |
| 03:14 |
NekoGloop |
Burn. |
| 03:14 |
Vadtec |
but i bet mt would still run decently even via the VPS window |
| 03:14 |
hmmmm |
Windows is a defective product, don't see why anybody would use it. They'd have to be stupid to. |
| 03:14 |
hmmmm |
;-) |
| 03:15 |
ShadowNinja |
comming on? |
| 03:15 |
Vadtec |
hmmmm: one word: Skyrim |
| 03:15 |
hmmmm |
That was sorta targeted at Neko |
| 03:15 |
Vadtec |
ShadowNinja: which version do i need to use? 0.4.4-win32? |
| 03:15 |
ShadowNinja |
that will work |
| 03:15 |
Vadtec |
hmmmm: lol, well my reason still stands :P |
| 03:16 |
ShadowNinja |
you can get locked chests working if you upgrade though |
| 03:16 |
NekoGloop |
hmmmm: I only want to be able to play every computer game in the history of ever. |
| 03:16 |
VanessaE |
hmmmm: that emerge patch you had me try definitely helped - I've since ended up back in upstream master, and of course the map loader barfs periodically. |
| 03:16 |
telek |
VanessaE: Does the conifer mod interfere with your moretrees mod? |
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VanessaE |
telek: no, but if you have moretrees, you don't need conifers. Moretrees will fill in for it. |
| 03:17 |
VanessaE |
at least it'll define the nodes etc. anyway |
| 03:17 |
Vadtec |
ShadowNinja: locked chests arent important right now, learning MT is |
| 03:17 |
telek |
Oh cool. |
| 03:17 |
Vadtec |
:P |
| 03:17 |
hmmmm |
vanessa, i'm not done with the emerge stuff yet. |
| 03:17 |
VanessaE |
note that moretrees uses a bunch of aliases, so it'll convert conifers trees to moretrees naming convention. |
| 03:17 |
VanessaE |
hmmmm: I know, no rush. Just pointing out that your code definitely worked well. |
| 03:17 |
telek |
Yeah that's fine :) |
| 03:18 |
VanessaE |
telek: ditto for bas080's jungle trees mod. moretrees covers that one also, though I need to radically increase the number of generated jungle trees. |
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hmmmm |
have a paper to write and other work to do, but i just need to finish up the thread priority stuff and i should be good |
| 03:19 |
telek |
Sweet VanessaE, helps consolidate possible points of failure :) |
| 03:19 |
hmmmm |
i'm not sure if it'll work on Linux right out of the box, i keep hearing about problems with NPTL |
| 03:19 |
VanessaE |
wow I'm so spoiled. I just had to resort to using my secondary (spinning rust) drive to process a bunch of large files because my SSD hasn't enough free space and G*D IS IT SLOW by comparison :-) |
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telek |
VanessaE: Yep, yep they are :D |
| 03:21 |
telek |
Flipside though is unlike SSDs they've got the potential to last longer (or shorter) with as many 'write cycle' issues. |
| 03:21 |
VanessaE |
eh not really |
| 03:21 |
telek |
s/with/without/ |
| 03:22 |
VanessaE |
in practice, an SSD will last you for years and years |
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telek |
I don't remember what size, but I'd heard maybe 120-240gig was good for like ~14 terabytes of write cycles (I think total, not per cell) |
| 03:26 |
telek |
I could burn through that in a year or two given enough compiles, swapping, etc. |
| 03:26 |
NekoGloop |
An ssd is what, precisely? |
| 03:27 |
hmmmm |
i've heard a lot about SSDs failing prematurely |
| 03:27 |
telek |
Is the unified_inventory in Calinou's modpack the same as the one RBA just released? |
| 03:27 |
telek |
Solid State Drive. |
| 03:27 |
telek |
Flash memory like in your cell phone, or the bios for your computer. |
| 03:27 |
hmmmm |
it's incredible how something that by all logic would be more reliable, isn't |
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| 03:28 |
telek |
It's realiable as a pseudo read-only material |
| 03:28 |
hmmmm |
i didn't get an SSD for my new computer even though i could've gotten a 128gb samsung 830 for $80 |
| 03:28 |
VanessaE |
I've been using an OCZ Vertex2 60GB one for a while. it works well |
| 03:28 |
telek |
But flash due to it's mechanics has a limited number of writes before you basically break down the silicon gates inside of it. |
| 03:29 |
hmmmm |
haha OCZ |
| 03:29 |
hmmmm |
OCZ has poor reliability from what i've seen |
| 03:30 |
RealBadAngel |
telek, what modpack? |
| 03:30 |
VanessaE |
hmmmm: seems to work fine for me. |
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| 03:31 |
VanessaE |
of course, I got mine before the reliability issues started :-) |
| 03:31 |
telek |
RBA D'oh :D |
| 03:32 |
telek |
It's your technic modpack, I mixed it up because I was updating calinou's at the same time and forgot which dir I'd seen it in :D |
| 03:32 |
RealBadAngel |
only modpack UI is in is technic |
| 03:32 |
RealBadAngel |
hehe |
| 03:32 |
RealBadAngel |
i pushed to technic some Nore's frames related code |
| 03:34 |
telek |
The crash related to unloaded nodes is gone right? |
| 03:34 |
VanessaE |
yeah |
| 03:34 |
telek |
I had that happened with like every mod I had installed. |
| 03:34 |
telek |
Was driving me nuts since it's strictly a runtime issue, so it doesn't happen until somebody goes somewhere to trigger it/times it right. |
| 03:35 |
telek |
Really need a better in-game way to verify version numbers for mods. |
| 03:35 |
telek |
Or maybe just standardize on git and have a way for the server to just iterate through mod dirs and do git fetch during reboots. |
| 03:36 |
telek |
Does the visible player armor support custom skins itself, or is it strictly default skin? |
| 03:37 |
VanessaE |
default only |
| 03:37 |
VanessaE |
and even then, it's a custom skin |
| 03:37 |
VanessaE |
:( |
| 03:37 |
VanessaE |
it has visible weilded item support |
| 03:37 |
VanessaE |
but since I use player_textures, well, it ain't a-gonna work :( |
| 03:39 |
Menche |
talking about the armor mod? the wielded item support didn't always update for me |
| 03:41 |
telek |
Yeah |
| 03:42 |
telek |
I may wait on it. |
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| 03:45 |
Vadtec |
after seeing ShadowNinja's server, i may never go back to MC again |
| 03:46 |
Vadtec |
so many cool features, and all i had to do was connect |
| 03:46 |
Vadtec |
*gasm* |
| 03:47 |
VanessaE |
now try mine :D |
| 03:47 |
VanessaE |
over 2400 defined items/nodes, creative mode |
| 03:48 |
VanessaE |
</brag> |
| 03:48 |
Vadtec |
you know how to give a geek a heart attack |
| 03:48 |
Vadtec |
lol |
| 03:48 |
Vadtec |
i think ShadowNinja pinged lol |
| 03:48 |
Vadtec |
HA |
| 03:48 |
Vadtec |
see |
| 03:48 |
VanessaE |
heh |
| 03:49 |
Vadtec |
is there a minimap mod for MT? |
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| 03:49 |
VanessaE |
kinda-sorta but not really |
| 03:49 |
Vadtec |
i used Rei's Minimap in MC |
| 03:49 |
Vadtec |
wb ShadowNinja |
| 03:49 |
VanessaE |
that's one that we haven't really figured out yet |
| 03:49 |
Menche |
i think there is one |
| 03:49 |
VanessaE |
Pilzadam wrote one that uses minetestmapper, |
| 03:49 |
VanessaE |
but it only updates when you tell it to, outside of the game |
| 03:49 |
Menche |
isn't pure lua and needs linux? |
| 03:50 |
VanessaE |
Menche: correct. |
| 03:50 |
VanessaE |
if I understand correctly. |
| 03:50 |
telek |
How's the 'landup' mod? |
| 03:50 |
VanessaE |
either way it isn't a realtime map. |
| 03:50 |
VanessaE |
telek: never used it, but it looks nice. However, it probably won't be needed anymore soon |
| 03:50 |
Menche |
i imagine it would be awkward for a really large |
| 03:50 |
* telek |
nods. |
| 03:50 |
Menche |
*map |
| 03:51 |
VanessaE |
hmmmm: do any of those mapgen tweaks in map_meta.txt affect the terrain the way landup does? |
| 03:55 |
hmmmm |
what's landup? |
| 03:55 |
NekoGloop |
Once we FINALLY have a 0.4.5 </onlythemillionthtimei'vesaidthis> |
| 03:55 |
VanessaE |
http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=65377#p65377 |
| 03:55 |
VanessaE |
hmmmm: ^^ |
| 03:57 |
hmmmm |
yes it does |
| 03:59 |
hmmmm |
eek |
| 03:59 |
VanessaE |
which part? ;-) |
| 03:59 |
hmmmm |
omg |
| 04:00 |
hmmmm |
it must take forever to generate with that |
| 04:00 |
VanessaE |
the "Each 80x80x80 surface chunk [...] may crash the game." part? ;-) |
| 04:00 |
hmmmm |
that i did not even see |
| 04:00 |
hmmmm |
and all of this is taking place while it's holding an envlock |
| 04:00 |
VanessaE |
yup |
| 04:00 |
hmmmm |
which means the server thread doesn't progress at all |
| 04:00 |
hmmmm |
the entire game is basically at a screeching halt |
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* Menche |
pulled the plug out of a computer that didn't have a battery :P |
| 04:01 |
hmmmm |
while this does super slow math operations on top of already super slow lua |
| 04:01 |
VanessaE |
oops haha |
| 04:01 |
VanessaE |
hmmmm: think you can replicate the effects of this mod in C++? |
| 04:01 |
hmmmm |
easily, with two lines of configuration |
| 04:01 |
VanessaE |
impressive |
| 04:03 |
hmmmm |
ah nevermind |
| 04:03 |
hmmmm |
it streches things |
| 04:03 |
VanessaE |
*nod* |
| 04:03 |
hmmmm |
you can get the land look like the mod but you can't get the strech effect that it does |
| 04:04 |
VanessaE |
well I expect the stretch is more of a side effect than a primary feature |
| 04:04 |
hmmmm |
no it's a feature |
| 04:04 |
hmmmm |
see the "copy up" part |
| 04:04 |
VanessaE |
*re-reads* |
| 04:05 |
Menche |
adjusting the water height in constants.h kind of stretches the land. sorta hackish but can make impressive maps. |
| 04:05 |
Menche |
the sea level ends up lower |
| 04:05 |
hmmmm |
adjusting water height in constants.h does nothing anymore, since the constant WATER_LEVEL is unused |
| 04:05 |
Menche |
oh, haven't checked for a while |
| 04:06 |
VanessaE |
hmmmm: well, now you have some ideas for mapgenv7 ;) |
| 04:06 |
hmmmm |
not really |
| 04:06 |
hmmmm |
this isn't too good |
| 04:07 |
VanessaE |
frankly I do like the mountain ranges idea, though the way its implemented looks too...eh. simplistic |
| 04:07 |
hmmmm |
that's because it is.. |
| 04:07 |
hmmmm |
i'm doing mountain ranges, yes. but i'm doing it the right way |
| 04:08 |
hmmmm |
i have some ideas but i don't know if they'll work out until i try |
| 04:09 |
NakedFury |
damn looking at that screenshot makes me realize I want big mountains and ranges like that |
| 04:10 |
NakedFury |
his shot of the top down worlds looks great but also makes me realize we also need bigger biomes |
| 04:10 |
Vadtec |
VanessaE: mind if i check out your server? |
| 04:10 |
VanessaE |
Vadtec: no, go right ahead. Bear in mind it'll take a while to load. |
| 04:10 |
Vadtec |
whats its addy? |
| 04:11 |
VanessaE |
vanessae.mine.bz:30000 |
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| 04:11 |
Vadtec |
i wonder how MT would look in 1080p on my 42" LED.... |
| 04:11 |
VanessaE |
probably quite beautiful :-) |
| 04:11 |
Vadtec |
with the right texpack of course |
| 04:12 |
VanessaE |
HDX all the way baby :-) |
| 04:14 |
Vadtec |
is it mese as in geese, or mese as in mess-e or mese as in mess-ay ? |
| 04:14 |
VanessaE |
as in geese. |
| 04:14 |
Vadtec |
ty |
| 04:14 |
Menche |
thats how i say it |
| 04:14 |
Vadtec |
thats what i thought |
| 04:15 |
Menche |
actually, I've never said it |
| 04:15 |
Menche |
just typed |
| 04:15 |
Vadtec |
ill have to know how to say it so my kids know how :P |
| 04:15 |
Menche |
thats how i *would* pronounce it if i ever said it |
| 04:18 |
VanessaE |
heh |
| 04:25 |
Menche |
i really need to make a separate installation of minetest for modding and texturing |
| 04:26 |
Menche |
just logged on to my server and have the ugly start of a texture pack |
| 04:26 |
VanessaE |
I use something like that - singleplayer on my regular user account for testing, then move the results over to the server running as a non-privileged user for wider testing |
| 04:27 |
Menche |
trying jordach's ms paint pallette challenge |
| 04:27 |
Menche |
hope i don't go blind from the bright colors |
| 04:29 |
telek |
:D |
| 04:29 |
telek |
The neko259's nature pack throws an error in the bushes init.lua |
| 04:30 |
Menche |
lol, someone on my server put protectors in the spawn building |
| 04:30 |
Vadtec |
VanessaE: after seeing your server and ShadowNinja's...im 99% certain ill never go back to MC |
| 04:30 |
VanessaE |
hehe |
| 04:30 |
Menche |
...and someone wrote "colorful" remarks on the announcement signs |
| 04:31 |
telek |
Vadtec: With a few exceptions it's certainly possible to not miss features from MC |
| 04:32 |
Vadtec |
oh nice....instead of killing me by letting me walking into a chunk that hasnt loaded like MC...MT simply stopped me from entering it |
| 04:32 |
Vadtec |
logic FTW |
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| 04:33 |
Menche |
someone protected an area on my server *only* to place a sign advertising their youtube channel |
| 04:33 |
telek |
Lol! |
| 04:33 |
Menche |
took out an 8x9x8 (he used 2 protectors) area just for 1 sign |
| 04:34 |
Vadtec |
lol |
| 04:34 |
Menche |
and i can't dig it because of the protection. worldedit time |
| 04:34 |
Vadtec |
so is there a mod that controls access to a server? as in whitelisting |
| 04:35 |
Menche |
i "whitelisted" by setting a default password |
| 04:36 |
ShadowNinja |
you can also just not grant interact |
| 04:36 |
Vadtec |
so there is no way to allow only certain users on the server and not use a "default" password? |
| 04:36 |
Menche |
not that i know of |
| 04:37 |
Menche |
i suppose you could make a mod that insta-bans when an unknown player logs in |
| 04:37 |
NekoGloop |
Or somehow crashes just the client |
| 04:37 |
Vadtec |
lol |
| 04:38 |
NekoGloop |
We've accidentally done it enough times, let's try to do it now :P |
| 04:38 |
Menche |
have an area on the server that has a super-ultra-high-poly animated mesh |
| 04:38 |
Menche |
and teleport bad players to it |
| 04:38 |
Vadtec |
i like that idea |
| 04:38 |
NekoGloop |
The death zone. |
| 04:39 |
Vadtec |
tele-->client spazzes then poofs due to no FPS left over |
| 04:39 |
ShadowNinja |
lol |
| 04:42 |
Vadtec |
im just thinking i wanna try to steal my old MC friends (well, convince really) to come to MT, but there are a few of the players on the old server who need to diaf |
| 04:42 |
Vadtec |
so id rather be able to nuke them from the server completely |
| 04:43 |
Vadtec |
oh so many goodies |
| 04:43 |
Vadtec |
i cant decide which mods to look into first aside from worldedit and protection |
| 04:44 |
ShadowNinja |
is preload_item_visuals on? |
| 04:44 |
NekoGloop |
<selfpromotion> glooptest </selfpromotion> |
| 04:44 |
ShadowNinja |
it slows down login by alot |
| 04:45 |
Vadtec |
NekoGloop: forgive me, but, "glooptest" just doesnt leave a good image in my mind about what it does :P |
| 04:45 |
Vadtec |
j/k...but you have to admit, the name is kinda scary |
| 04:46 |
VanessaE |
there is a way to whitelist by the way. |
| 04:46 |
VanessaE |
sort of. |
| 04:46 |
VanessaE |
just don't put interact into your default privs |
| 04:46 |
Muadtralk |
oh dear god not that way |
| 04:46 |
NekoGloop |
Blacklist all the nicks :P |
| 04:46 |
* Muadtralk |
knows what VanessaE is thinking |
| 04:47 |
VanessaE |
grant interact to whoever, as needed |
| 04:47 |
Menche |
they can still log on and troll though |
| 04:47 |
Muadtralk |
grant shout to whoever as needed |
| 04:47 |
Muadtralk |
:P |
| 04:47 |
Menche |
i did it by setting "default_password" to "a;o093da2ofa438;osj3209j9w" |
| 04:47 |
ShadowNinja |
don't grant shout either |
| 04:47 |
Vadtec |
id rather firewall the IP of and requrie my clients to use a static IP to get in than ban all the nicks |
| 04:47 |
VanessaE |
Menche: not if you also withhold shout, fly, fast, and every other one :-) |
| 04:47 |
VanessaE |
give no default privs at all, make a mod that grants all of your standards by one command |
| 04:47 |
Muadtralk |
if only there was an exist priviliege |
| 04:47 |
Muadtralk |
I would revoke it :P |
| 04:48 |
Menche |
when someone requested access, i would simply setpassword the player and mail the password to them |
| 04:48 |
Menche |
worked fine |
| 04:48 |
ShadowNinja |
vanessa, is server back on old emergemanager? |
| 04:48 |
VanessaE |
ShadowNinja: sadly, yeah |
| 04:48 |
VanessaE |
need me to restart it? |
| 04:48 |
ShadowNinja |
noticably slower |
| 04:48 |
Vadtec |
chunks arent loading very well on it atm |
| 04:49 |
VanessaE |
ok, restarting it now. |
| 04:49 |
ShadowNinja |
yes please |
| 04:49 |
VanessaE |
done. |
| 04:49 |
telek |
The armor mod... |
| 04:49 |
telek |
Does the visual weapon part of it work with any weapon, or only 'converted' ones? |
| 04:49 |
VanessaE |
dunno |
| 04:50 |
NekoGloop |
afaik it should work with w/e you hold |
| 04:50 |
telek |
Neato. |
| 04:50 |
NekoGloop |
</asifievenknowwtfi'mtalkingabout> |
| 04:50 |
telek |
I'm probably going to hold off on it under it supports skins, but that is going to so totally change it for a lotta players. |
| 04:51 |
NekoGloop |
It *should* work with skins. |
| 04:51 |
NekoGloop |
Dont hold me to that though |
| 04:51 |
telek |
Only other major client-side hardcode feature I can think of would be optional mirror support. |
| 04:51 |
telek |
According to the forum it doesn't ATM |
| 04:52 |
telek |
Although maybe a paperdoll in the inventory would suffice. |
| 04:52 |
NekoGloop |
Well it might not "support" but it should "work with" skins |
| 04:53 |
Vadtec |
telek: there isnt anything from stock MC that i miss so far...only from mods for MC |
| 04:53 |
telek |
Vadtec: Yeah. |
| 04:53 |
NekoGloop |
Well, other than prolly peaceful mobs |
| 04:53 |
NekoGloop |
Creepers are just no though. |
| 04:53 |
telek |
Hehe |
| 04:53 |
Vadtec |
im a huge fan of buildcraft, industrial craft, and redpower for MC |
| 04:53 |
telek |
technic+mesecons? |
| 04:54 |
Vadtec |
havent played with it yet |
| 04:54 |
ShadowNinja |
+pipeworks |
| 04:54 |
NekoGloop |
Vadtec: As soon as i get off my lazy ass i'm gonna make something primitively like those. |
| 04:54 |
VanessaE |
\o/ pipeworks |
| 04:54 |
Vadtec |
but neither of those have oil in them, which adds a load of complexity |
| 04:54 |
NekoGloop |
(The purpose of the afformentioned glooptest) |
| 04:54 |
VanessaE |
don't forget moretrees :D |
| 04:54 |
Vadtec |
nor do they have stuff for making nukes :P |
| 04:54 |
telek |
Also, although it might be messy to implement. |
| 04:54 |
Vadtec |
though there is TNT mod ive heard |
| 04:54 |
NekoGloop |
There's an old oil mod, as well as a nuke mod. |
| 04:54 |
telek |
We need wrapping worlds. |
| 04:55 |
Vadtec |
we need worlds that are as big or bigger than MC worlds |
| 04:55 |
Vadtec |
without the idiotic algorithim screw up at the corners/edges |
| 04:55 |
Menche |
~30000x30000x30000? |
| 04:55 |
telek |
And also 'portals' IE for vehicles with position independent interiors, so you could actually drive/fly/float around in-world. |
| 04:55 |
VanessaE |
Vadtec: we have our own algorithm screwup at the edges - stuff gets "shaky" |
| 04:55 |
telek |
Vadtec: We're already bigger, AFAIK. Only issues now are wraparound, and maybe adding a method to transition from one world to another. |
| 04:56 |
Vadtec |
Menche: no, 2^32 x some sane height limit x 2^32 |
| 04:56 |
NekoGloop |
4 million nodes in all directions |
| 04:57 |
NekoGloop |
If i knew a lick of c++ i'd say challenge accepted. |
| 04:57 |
Vadtec |
NekoGloop: even i dont think hieght needs to be 4mill |
| 04:57 |
Vadtec |
32k is just fine |
| 04:57 |
Vadtec |
:P |
| 04:57 |
VanessaE |
4000000*4000000*256 |
| 04:57 |
VanessaE |
4096000000000000 |
| 04:57 |
VanessaE |
62000*62000*62000 |
| 04:57 |
VanessaE |
238328000000000 |
| 04:57 |
VanessaE |
meh, MC has us beat on map size by an order of magnitude :( |
| 04:58 |
Vadtec |
4294967296 |
| 04:58 |
Vadtec |
to be exact |
| 04:58 |
Vadtec |
:P |
| 04:58 |
VanessaE |
heh, and I went with the 4 million figure, didn't even consider 4+ billion |
| 04:58 |
VanessaE |
4294967296*4294967296*256 |
| 04:58 |
VanessaE |
4722366482869645213696 |
| 04:58 |
VanessaE |
o.O |
| 04:58 |
Vadtec |
yup |
| 04:58 |
NekoGloop |
Oh derp, i can't count place values |
| 04:59 |
Vadtec |
lol |
| 04:59 |
Vadtec |
hence the need for MC to load stuff in "chunks" |
| 04:59 |
ShadowNinja |
how hard would it be to make the map bigger? |
| 04:59 |
NekoGloop |
ShadowNinja: A lot. |
| 04:59 |
VanessaE |
ShadowNinja: impossible, probably |
| 04:59 |
VanessaE |
at least in the current incarnation |
| 04:59 |
NekoGloop |
Not impossible, just difficult |
| 05:00 |
Vadtec |
it would require using at least 32bit integers for the mapping coords |
| 05:00 |
VanessaE |
*nod* |
| 05:00 |
NekoGloop |
Use 256bit integers and be done with it |
| 05:00 |
Vadtec |
egad |
| 05:00 |
ShadowNinja |
while were at it make it 1024 bit :-) |
| 05:00 |
Vadtec |
screw that |
| 05:01 |
NekoGloop |
That would solve mauvebic's gripes about the "small map size" |
| 05:01 |
Vadtec |
2^256 = 115792089237316195423570985008687907853269984665640564039457584007913129639936 |
| 05:01 |
NekoGloop |
I swear, that guy makes roads the size of my houses. |
| 05:01 |
Menche |
its even possible to use 30000*30000 nodes? |
| 05:01 |
VanessaE |
I suspect if you went with 64bit signed int that would be plenty |
| 05:01 |
Vadtec |
all im asking for is 32bit ints... |
| 05:01 |
Vadtec |
dont go overboard people! |
| 05:02 |
VanessaE |
mench: technically yes, but in practice, no :-) |
| 05:02 |
NekoGloop |
VanessaE: See the giant number above. That enough room yet? ;-) |
| 05:02 |
ShadowNinja |
lol, beat THAT mc |
| 05:02 |
VanessaE |
256 bit would be overkill :-) |
| 05:02 |
Menche |
how big is a "long long int"? |
| 05:02 |
VanessaE |
64 bit would be just right, given today's machine architecture :-) |
| 05:02 |
ShadowNinja |
make it a build option |
| 05:02 |
VanessaE |
Menche: depends on the OS I expect. |
| 05:02 |
Vadtec |
2^1024 = 17976931348623159077293051907890247336179769789423065727343008115773267580550096313270847732240753602112011387987139335765878976881441662249284743063947412437776789342486548527630221960124609411945308295208500576883815068234246288147391311054082723716335051068458629823994\ |
| 05:02 |
Vadtec |
7245938479716304835356329624224137216 |
| 05:02 |
Vadtec |
oops |
| 05:02 |
Vadtec |
2^1024 = 179769313486231590772930519078902473361797697894230657273430081157732675805500963132708477322407536021120113879871393357658789768814416622492847430639474124377767893424865485276302219601246094119453082952085005768838150682342462881473913110540827237163350510684586298239947245938479716304835356329624224137216 |
| 05:02 |
NekoGloop |
Holy shit. |
| 05:03 |
VanessaE |
that's putting it mildly. :-) |
| 05:03 |
NekoGloop |
I want that many nodes. |
| 05:03 |
mauvebic |
more power |
| 05:03 |
Vadtec |
keep in mind |
| 05:03 |
Vadtec |
thats only in ONE direction |
| 05:03 |
ShadowNinja |
we need to invent lightspeed mode |
| 05:03 |
mauvebic |
3 speeds of fast would be cool lol |
| 05:03 |
Menche |
how big would the map file be if you actually generated all those? |
| 05:03 |
NekoGloop |
After all, it's not like most of it is ever going to actually *generate* |
| 05:03 |
mauvebic |
like Shift - + to increase fly speed |
| 05:04 |
NekoGloop |
Menche: Over 9000 terrabytes |
| 05:04 |
Menche |
someone made a patch to have configurable "fast" speed |
| 05:04 |
VanessaE |
Menche: I think I calculated the map would be around 250 terabytes with the current 62000^3 size if you generated the whole thing |
| 05:04 |
Menche |
you would press j several times to switch between the speeds |
| 05:04 |
Vadtec |
ready for this? |
| 05:04 |
Vadtec |
(2^1024)^3 = 58096059953699580628595025333045743706869751763628952366614861522872037309971102257373360445331184072513261577549805174439905295945400471216628856721870324010321116397064404988440498509890516272002447658070418123947296805400241048279765843693815222923612087790447698927432257517380769795688113095791255113330932435195537848163063815801618602002474925684481502425153044495771876041364287385809901725515739341462558303664059150008696437320532 |
| 05:04 |
Vadtec |
185668325452911079037228316341385995864066903259597251874471690595408050123102096390117507487600170953607342349457574162729948560133086169585299583046776370191815940885283450612858638982717634572948835466388795543116154464463301992543823400162920570907511755338881619189872955915315366987012922676854655174379157908231548446347802601028917180324953960750418994855138111269773074789690748570437107161501213159220245567592412390131529197109564684063794429 |
| 05:04 |
Vadtec |
14941614357107914462567329693696 |
| 05:04 |
VanessaE |
(based on numbers pulled from a really dark place) |
| 05:04 |
VanessaE |
Vadtec: christ in a cartoon! |
| 05:05 |
NekoGloop |
Why are we cubing it, again? |
| 05:05 |
Vadtec |
x, y, z |
| 05:05 |
NekoGloop |
Ah. |
| 05:05 |
VanessaE |
that does beg the question, why do we care about Y > +32000? |
| 05:05 |
ShadowNinja |
hmmm, a little small |
| 05:05 |
Vadtec |
someone asked for it in all three dimensions |
| 05:05 |
VanessaE |
is there a point to that? |
| 05:05 |
Vadtec |
lol...no |
| 05:05 |
Menche |
if you can do it in 2 directions, why not make it in all 3? |
| 05:05 |
NekoGloop |
VanessaE: So mauv can have his perfect 1:1 scale of everything |
| 05:05 |
Vadtec |
like i said, even i think Y should be a sane limit |
| 05:05 |
mauvebic |
how high is the atmosphere? |
| 05:05 |
Menche |
all of y won't even be generated, so theres no loss |
| 05:05 |
VanessaE |
NekoGloop: I know of nothing that is 32k in height |
| 05:06 |
Menche |
don't see a point to limiting y |
| 05:06 |
VanessaE |
mauvebic: about 120 km or so. |
| 05:06 |
mauvebic |
so it needs to be at least that high |
| 05:06 |
Vadtec |
mt everest is ~29.6k feet tall |
| 05:06 |
mauvebic |
if not to resort to having seperate land/space map lol |
| 05:06 |
NekoGloop |
VanessaE: I didn't say he was limiting himself to real structures :P he'll run out eventually |
| 05:06 |
VanessaE |
I was *just* looking that up heh |
| 05:06 |
VanessaE |
8.848 meters high |
| 05:06 |
VanessaE |
(29029 ft) |
| 05:07 |
VanessaE |
8.848 km high that is |
| 05:07 |
Menche |
did someone say something about rendering glitches at the map edge? i'm not seeing any |
| 05:07 |
Vadtec |
so, hiehgt limit = mt everts+10km |
| 05:07 |
Vadtec |
everst* |
| 05:07 |
VanessaE |
Menche: look at anything nodebox-based. |
| 05:07 |
Vadtec |
oh ffs |
| 05:07 |
Vadtec |
you know what i meant |
| 05:07 |
VanessaE |
move around slightly - the edges will get jittery and shaky |
| 05:07 |
VanessaE |
Vadtec: yeah pretty much |
| 05:08 |
NekoGloop |
Signs are most noticable. |
| 05:08 |
Menche |
i didn't notice anything on the sign |
| 05:08 |
VanessaE |
yeah, anything that's flat 2d, or look at mesecons wires |
| 05:08 |
Menche |
stairs seem fine |
| 05:08 |
VanessaE |
those all really exhibit the issue at 30+k |
| 05:09 |
NekoGloop |
Try at the very edge of the map |
| 05:09 |
Menche |
im at -30777,1,-30,727 |
| 05:09 |
VanessaE |
try at the + edges then |
| 05:09 |
Menche |
gah, drop the last comma there |
| 05:09 |
Menche |
ok |
| 05:09 |
VanessaE |
it might not affect the negative end |
| 05:10 |
Menche |
what's the positive limit? |
| 05:10 |
NekoGloop |
A lot. |
| 05:10 |
NekoGloop |
Try 30000,1,30000 |
| 05:10 |
Menche |
30927 |
| 05:10 |
NekoGloop |
You should be able to walk from there |
| 05:11 |
Menche |
the sign flashes a bit |
| 05:12 |
ShadowNinja |
do you know where the glitches start or why? |
| 05:13 |
Vadtec |
the why is becaues you are generating a surface that is meant to be spherical on a 2d plane |
| 05:13 |
Vadtec |
at least, thats what the algo tries to do |
| 05:13 |
Menche |
? |
| 05:13 |
Vadtec |
the where is dependant upon a lot of factors |
| 05:14 |
Vadtec |
erm, 3d plane |
| 05:14 |
Menche |
meant to be spherical? |
| 05:15 |
Vadtec |
the algo itself is trying to generate a sphere like the earth |
| 05:15 |
Vadtec |
basically |
| 05:15 |
VanessaE |
seriously? |
| 05:15 |
Vadtec |
its trying to unwrap the eather |
| 05:15 |
Vadtec |
earth* |
| 05:15 |
Menche |
you sure? |
| 05:15 |
Vadtec |
and lay it out flat |
| 05:15 |
ShadowNinja |
Vadtec: would you like me to give you a tour of redcrabs server now? |
| 05:15 |
Vadtec |
ShadowNinja: in a few mins, dealing with a server thats misbehaving atm |
| 05:16 |
ShadowNinja |
and I doubt that is the reason, it isn't trying to make it sherical |
| 05:16 |
Vadtec |
Menche: that may not be the exact aproach the algo takes |
| 05:16 |
ShadowNinja |
spherical* |
| 05:16 |
Vadtec |
but that is effectively what it is trying to do |
| 05:16 |
Vadtec |
and that causes generation errors the further from zero you go |
| 05:16 |
Menche |
its just a giant cube of blocks |
| 05:16 |
ShadowNinja |
afaik it just tries to render a cube |
| 05:16 |
NekoGloop |
The problem isn't generation |
| 05:16 |
Menche |
i doubt minetest knows that the irl earth is round |
| 05:16 |
NekoGloop |
It's rendering. |
| 05:16 |
Vadtec |
but it wants to simulate a sphere of blocks |
| 05:17 |
Menche |
i doubt that |
| 05:18 |
Vadtec |
mmmm, i could be off the mark, but nearly every map algo ive ever looked at basically tries to peel the sphere and lay it out flat without gaps |
| 05:18 |
Vadtec |
and i personally havent seen an algo do it any other way that works for shit |
| 05:18 |
Vadtec |
but hey, if im wrong, ill fully admit it |
| 05:18 |
ShadowNinja |
minetest just tries to make a cube |
| 05:18 |
ShadowNinja |
it thinks the earth is flat |
| 05:18 |
Menche |
i haven't really looked at the mapgen code, i thought it was just a massive cube full of smaller cubes |
| 05:18 |
Vadtec |
then there shouldnt be any errors at the edges |
| 05:19 |
VanessaE |
Vadtec: if you think you can improve on this we certainly would welcome a patch. After you see it happen once, you sorta fixate on it :-) |
| 05:19 |
ShadowNinja |
and who wants a lightspeed option? |
| 05:19 |
NekoGloop |
Vadtec: The problem is the renderer |
| 05:20 |
VanessaE |
ShadowNinja: we already have that. it's called /teleport |
| 05:20 |
VanessaE |
;-) |
| 05:20 |
Vadtec |
NekoGloop: i dont see how the renderer can be the problem, its only rendering what its told to |
| 05:20 |
Vadtec |
unless rendering is part of the algo overall |
| 05:21 |
ShadowNinja |
anyone have any other ideas? |
| 05:21 |
Vadtec |
which would be a poor separation of logic and data |
| 05:22 |
Vadtec |
ShadowNinja: whats that server? |
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ShadowNinja |
redcrab.suret.net |
| 05:25 |
NekoGloop |
Hello neko! :3 |
| 05:26 |
Vadtec |
yeah ummm...it gave me a protocol version error |
| 05:26 |
Vadtec |
using 0.4.4-win32 cleint |
| 05:26 |
Vadtec |
client |
| 05:27 |
Vadtec |
ffs....typos >< |
| 05:27 |
NekoGloop |
Use the latest |
| 05:27 |
VanessaE |
redcrab might need latest git |
| 05:27 |
* Vadtec |
sighs lol |
| 05:28 |
ShadowNinja |
port 30401 |
| 05:29 |
ShadowNinja |
30000 is the 0.3 server |
| 05:29 |
Vadtec |
that might make a diff lol |
| 05:29 |
Vadtec |
made a big diff lol |
| 05:30 |
VanessaE |
haha |
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| 05:32 |
Menche |
jordach's texture contest doesn't allow for very many shades of brown |
| 05:32 |
Kacey |
VanessaE? |
| 05:32 |
VanessaE |
hi |
| 05:32 |
Menche |
can't make a good dirt texture |
| 05:32 |
Kacey |
is there a craft for an autocrafter? |
| 05:32 |
VanessaE |
dunno, ask Nore :-) |
| 05:32 |
VanessaE |
he wrote that part |
| 05:32 |
Menche |
the color "#808000" shouldn't exist |
| 05:32 |
Kacey |
uugh |
| 05:32 |
Menche |
its hideous |
| 05:33 |
Kacey |
i need to know... |
| 05:33 |
Menche |
search the lua files for the phrase "register_craft" |
| 05:34 |
Kacey |
im using github to browse the lua |
| 05:34 |
Menche |
try ctrl-f |
| 05:35 |
Menche |
on firefox at least that opens search |
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| 05:37 |
Kacey |
what does "nil" mean exactly? |
| 05:37 |
Menche |
"nil" is a special value that represents the absence of any other value |
| 05:37 |
VanessaE |
essentially, "not set" |
| 05:37 |
NekoGloop |
Absolute nothingness. |
| 05:37 |
Menche |
any unused variable has a value of "nil" |
| 05:38 |
Menche |
setting a variable to "nil" unsets it |
| 05:38 |
VanessaE |
nil is more zero than zero :-) |
| 05:38 |
NekoGloop |
Oh wait, ignore still doesn't work on this damn ipad client. |
| 05:38 |
* Kacey |
sorta gets it |
| 05:39 |
NekoGloop |
nil is what brains the above person has |
| 05:39 |
NekoGloop |
;-) |
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NekoGloop |
Ello bas |
| 05:39 |
khonkhortisan |
zero is as much nil as MAX_INT is infinity |
| 05:39 |
VanessaE |
hibas |
| 05:40 |
Menche |
does singleplayer really have to bind a socket? I can't have multiple singleplayer games at once? |
| 05:41 |
VanessaE |
ok time for me to go to bed |
| 05:41 |
VanessaE |
night all |
| 05:42 |
Kacey |
night v |
| 05:48 |
Kacey |
Menche, could you check your pipeworks version to see if there is a crafting |
| 05:49 |
Menche |
for what? |
| 05:51 |
Kacey |
autocrafter |
| 05:52 |
Menche |
can't find any recipe |
| 05:52 |
Kacey |
your craft guide is almost no help for me... |
| 05:52 |
Menche |
yeah, it doesn't show a ton of recipes |
| 05:52 |
Menche |
should i just switch back to default? its also a bit slow to load the first time |
| 05:54 |
Kacey |
ya |
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* Menche |
nukes unifiedinventory |
| 05:55 |
Kacey |
lol |
| 05:57 |
Kacey |
restart coming? |
| 05:57 |
Menche |
ok |
| 05:57 |
Menche |
should be back up now |
| 06:00 |
Kacey |
would it be possible to make creative mode a priv via mod? |
| 06:01 |
Menche |
not sure how player inventories are handled |
| 06:04 |
mauvebic |
you can show two different inventories depending on privs |
| 06:05 |
ShadowNinja |
I have a mod for that |
| 06:05 |
Menche |
what about the near insta-mining of creative mode? |
| 06:05 |
ShadowNinja |
I havn't pull requested it yet |
| 06:06 |
ShadowNinja |
nope, couldn't get that to work as it's global |
| 06:06 |
Kacey |
that would require a core rewrite |
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| 06:07 |
mauvebic |
you can make tools that require privs to work too |
| 06:07 |
mauvebic |
basically you can stick the priv function anywhere you want |
| 06:07 |
mauvebic |
priv is either true or false, like any other conditional |
| 06:08 |
mauvebic |
example, you need paysage priv to access the tab in the inventory AND shoot the gun, so no chance of accidental use or griefer use |
| 06:08 |
Kacey |
if priv("creative") = true then creative_mode = true |
| 06:09 |
Kacey |
would that work? |
| 06:09 |
ShadowNinja |
maybe I can add a priv check to weildhand |
| 06:09 |
mauvebic |
nope |
| 06:09 |
mauvebic |
youd be setting it globally for everyone |
| 06:09 |
mauvebic |
when the formspec is set for the first time (see inventory) thats where you check the player privs and choose either a standard inventory or a creative one |
| 06:09 |
Kacey |
what about a tab in unified inv? |
| 06:09 |
telek |
Hey is /teleport internal to minetest? |
| 06:09 |
ShadowNinja |
yes, delete instantly if you have the privs |
| 06:10 |
ShadowNinja |
telek: yes |
| 06:10 |
mauvebic |
half my tabs need certain privs to be accessible |
| 06:10 |
telek |
Does '/teleport target to_name' actually work? |
| 06:10 |
ShadowNinja |
yes |
| 06:10 |
mauvebic |
for a button to work there has to be a receiving function, thats where you check ur privs |
| 06:10 |
Kacey |
with bring privs and teleport privs yes |
| 06:10 |
Menche |
i think teleport is in builtin/chatcommands.lua ? |
| 06:10 |
telek |
Ohhh |
| 06:10 |
telek |
Okay, it's the bring privs I'm missing then |
| 06:11 |
telek |
The error messages need to check for that and return something better than 'those players can't be found' |
| 06:11 |
mauvebic |
means theyre not signed in |
| 06:11 |
mauvebic |
possible typo otherwise |
| 06:11 |
Menche |
you should be able to teleport offline players |
| 06:11 |
telek |
It also can mean you don't have bring privileges. |
| 06:11 |
telek |
I added bring and it worked fine. |
| 06:11 |
* Kacey |
wants to try his hand at a mod |
| 06:11 |
telek |
So it's a missing conditional and error message. |
| 06:12 |
mauvebic |
prolly just doesnt bother to check why it didnt work lol |
| 06:12 |
mauvebic |
might be in debug tho lol |
| 06:13 |
telek |
Hrmm |
| 06:14 |
Vadtec |
as much as id love to stay up and screw around with this, i gotta get to sleep |
| 06:15 |
Vadtec |
lest i be worthless at work tomorrow |
| 06:15 |
* Kacey |
doesn't know where to start |
| 06:15 |
mauvebic |
well mod experiment worth a shot: creative inv with creative priv in standard game |
| 06:15 |
* Kacey |
needs a mod idea |
| 06:16 |
Vadtec |
Kacey: TBMs! (tunnel boring machines) |
| 06:16 |
Kacey |
aah nc crafting and other hard to obtain blocks crafting |
| 06:16 |
Kacey |
Vadtec, im just starting lol |
| 06:16 |
mauvebic |
technic and a few other mods have tunneling drills/lasers methinks |
| 06:16 |
Vadtec |
but a full blown TBM would be so kick ass |
| 06:16 |
Vadtec |
:P |
| 06:16 |
mauvebic |
hell even set my gun to air and makes tunnel |
| 06:17 |
mauvebic |
how much more full blown does a mining dril have to be? |
| 06:17 |
Vadtec |
i want levers, and conveyors, and a big drill head that spins! |
| 06:18 |
mauvebic |
sounds liek carts and pneumatic tube |
| 06:18 |
mauvebic |
*s |
| 06:18 |
Vadtec |
:P |
| 06:18 |
Vadtec |
im sleep deprived and saw a chance for a fun mod |
| 06:18 |
Vadtec |
go figure |
| 06:18 |
Menche |
a tunneling building sized thing like this? http://www.herrenknecht.com/uploads/pics/ShieldedTBM_587_01.jpg |
| 06:19 |
Vadtec |
yup! |
| 06:20 |
Vadtec |
and after that, a road leveler/paver |
| 06:20 |
Vadtec |
:P |
| 06:20 |
Menche |
could just somehow track all the nodes of the TBM, and remove/add them to move them forward |
| 06:20 |
Menche |
to get fancy, convert them to entities and animate them like sand/gravel, and have the player attached to an operator's chair |
| 06:21 |
Vadtec |
see... Menche gets the idea! |
| 06:22 |
Kacey |
lag to high heaven with it though |
| 06:22 |
mauvebic |
not exactly the direction im goin in lol |
| 06:22 |
Menche |
huge hunks of falling sand don't really lag that much, the TBM wouldn't be too big |
| 06:22 |
Menche |
and it would be mostly hollow |
| 06:22 |
mauvebic |
lag and again automation of processes that could be skipped by playin' creative lol |
| 06:22 |
Kacey |
aand then landmine gets one |
| 06:23 |
Menche |
lol |
| 06:23 |
Kacey |
or worldedit and /giveme |
| 06:23 |
Menche |
remember whan Max got worldedit on the server i was hosting for someone? |
| 06:23 |
mauvebic |
well, if the holes dig themselves, the resoruces move themselves, and craft themselves, dont kid yourself into thinking youre playing "legit" lol |
| 06:23 |
Menche |
never seen so much lava... |
| 06:24 |
Kacey |
on your server? |
| 06:24 |
Menche |
one i was hosting alongside the old one |
| 06:24 |
Kacey |
no where do you see all the lava? |
| 06:24 |
Vadtec |
g'night peeps, and thanks for all the great info |
| 06:25 |
Menche |
think several 50x50x100 blocks of lava up in the air |
| 06:25 |
Menche |
and then flowing of course |
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| 06:32 |
mauvebic |
jesus Vincent D'Onofrio is young and skinny in Thirteenth Floor lol |
| 06:32 |
mauvebic |
and with god awful bleached hair ('99) lol |
| 06:33 |
* Kacey |
has no idea what type of mod to make |
| 06:33 |
Kacey |
perhaps an extension to pipeworks... |
| 06:34 |
mauvebic |
have fun lol |
| 06:35 |
Kacey |
VanessaE's finally has (somewhat) an api |
| 06:37 |
mauvebic |
version still dates to jan 31st |
| 06:37 |
Kacey |
? |
| 06:39 |
mauvebic |
dont see anything new |
| 06:39 |
mauvebic |
unless github is more uptodate |
| 06:40 |
Kacey |
Nore made a slight api while making pipeworks lol |
| 06:42 |
mauvebic |
he didn't "make" pipeworks lol, vanessa started it, RBA added to it, then i got pipes to work, the nore got tubes to work :p |
| 06:42 |
Kacey |
well Nore made an api anyway |
| 06:43 |
mauvebic |
everyone makes APIs now :P the only question is weather anybody but the author ends up using any of them :p |
| 06:43 |
Kacey |
lol |
| 06:43 |
mauvebic |
the typical response to an API is for 2 more to appear lol |
| 06:44 |
mauvebic |
and then a month or two of debate over which should be default, by which time nothing's changed and people are more entrenched lol |
| 06:44 |
mauvebic |
you could train programmers and shrinks here lol |
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telek |
Looks like it's still breakingon 'worldmods/technic/unified_inventory/api.lua:117: attempt to call method 'get_player_name' (a nil value)' |
| 06:51 |
mauvebic |
bizarre |
| 06:52 |
mauvebic |
its like no player object was passed |
| 06:53 |
mauvebic |
did you add anything to unified? |
| 06:54 |
Kacey |
lag is off the charts on my own server lol |
| 06:54 |
mauvebic |
what version? |
| 06:55 |
telek |
mauvebic: No, it's the latest one in technic. |
| 06:55 |
telek |
And I just updated both minetest server and the minetest_game directory, just to make sure |
| 06:55 |
mauvebic |
line 119, lemme check github |
| 06:56 |
telek |
I've been running into this for a month or more now. |
| 06:56 |
mauvebic |
when does it happen? |
| 06:56 |
mauvebic |
on 'i' or one of the buttons? |
| 06:56 |
telek |
Player client crash I believe. |
| 06:56 |
telek |
I've heard just movement. |
| 06:57 |
telek |
Basically if a client doesn't cleanly disconnect, either crash, drop, or other internet failure, it throws that rather than cleaning up properly. |
| 06:57 |
mauvebic |
weird, this should only happen when the formspec is called |
| 06:57 |
mauvebic |
and theres a catch for player nil, so why the function isn't returning a name is sortof mystery |
| 06:58 |
telek |
Is it something that another mod could be overriding? |
| 06:58 |
mauvebic |
got any mods that depend on unified? |
| 06:58 |
mauvebic |
might be depending on older version |
| 06:58 |
telek |
I'm not sure. |
| 06:58 |
telek |
I gotta get going, but I'll update you tomorrow or tues when I have a chance to check. |
| 06:59 |
mauvebic |
or update RBA, he'll be able to fix it |
| 07:00 |
mauvebic |
i have a seperate fork but you wont find it useful, though not getting that error so might be worth comparing |
| 07:09 |
Kacey |
where is chromium located? |
| 07:10 |
mauvebic |
Alt F2 'chromium' should do it |
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Kacey |
i need to install a plugin for it... |
| 07:11 |
markveidemanis |
I have been away a week, recommend me a mod |
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rubenwardy |
hi all |
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rubenwardy |
are you all asleep? |
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MinetestBot |
GIT: xyzz commited to celeron55/minetest: Set numeric locale for Lua 214a8b4597 2013-02-18T01:58:55-08:00 http://git.io/hCY40Q |
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thexyz |
TForsman: as you're the only one who experienced an issue with locale, can you please compile Minetest with -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Debug and test that all unittests pass? |
| 10:05 |
celeron55 |
just --enable-unittests |
| 10:05 |
celeron55 |
no need for a different build type 8) |
| 10:05 |
thexyz |
oh |
| 10:06 |
celeron55 |
(the result is seen as the game either succeeeding or failing to start) |
| 10:06 |
TForsman |
with the fix or without the fix? (asume with the fix) |
| 10:07 |
rubenwardy |
with the fix |
| 10:08 |
TForsman |
will recompile it with --enable-unittests |
| 10:08 |
thexyz |
you don't have to recompile |
| 10:08 |
thexyz |
just run minetest --info --enable-unittests |
| 10:08 |
TForsman |
ahh |
| 10:10 |
* rubenwardy |
is eating pork sausage rolls from tesco... or is it horse rolls? |
| 10:11 |
TForsman |
seeing right away: 11:06:30: ERROR[main]: Could not set numeric locale to C |
| 10:11 |
celeron55 |
rubenwardy: giraffe rolls |
| 10:12 |
celeron55 |
TForsman: not related to unit tests |
| 10:12 |
rubenwardy |
yumm |
| 10:12 |
celeron55 |
but that looks like you have a locale set in your environment that you don't actually have installed |
| 10:12 |
celeron55 |
...umm... maybe |
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thexyz |
TForsman: pastebin >locale -a |
| 10:12 |
celeron55 |
that's how it worked when i was testing stuff |
| 10:13 |
TForsman |
celeron55: yes, that might be it. |
| 10:13 |
rubenwardy |
celeron55, I am going to make an introduction film for minetest |
| 10:13 |
rubenwardy |
the script is here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1CxeUQROl3NkSGsLpZ2_U-paaBGLzK-mbr6aZzekwPJ8/edit?usp=sharing |
| 10:13 |
rubenwardy |
anyone can edit the above script. |
| 10:13 |
celeron55 |
so fix your gnu/linux installation; something like enable the appropriate locale in /etc/locale.gen and run locale-gen, or alternatively choose a locale that you have |
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celeron55 |
or something like that |
| 10:14 |
TForsman |
celeron55: locale -a http://pastebin.com/jRYv8q4q |
| 10:14 |
celeron55 |
(assuming you have the similar problem that i did) |
| 10:14 |
thexyz |
TForsman: and now >declare | grep "LC\|LANG" |
| 10:14 |
TForsman |
locale = http://pastebin.com/VKxZ4gbP |
| 10:15 |
thexyz |
odd |
| 10:15 |
TForsman |
declare command: http://pastebin.com/SWnWpmps |
| 10:15 |
celeron55 |
umm... wtf |
| 10:15 |
TForsman |
but, i specified my locale |
| 10:15 |
celeron55 |
he doesn't have the C locale |
| 10:15 |
celeron55 |
literally |
| 10:15 |
celeron55 |
oh, it is there |
| 10:15 |
TForsman |
in bashrc i use: export LANGUAGE="en_AU:en_GB:en" |
| 10:16 |
celeron55 |
C.UTF-8 doesn't exist though; i wonder if it has something to do with something |
| 10:16 |
TForsman |
so, i have usually swedish locale. but now enlgish in everything |
| 10:17 |
celeron55 |
umm... can you start a shell and export -n at least that one (to remove it) |
| 10:17 |
thexyz |
celeron55: I don't have one too |
| 10:17 |
thexyz |
http://pastebin.com/P1VkbZkf |
| 10:17 |
celeron55 |
(and then try minetest) |
| 10:18 |
thexyz |
I almost forgot to note |
| 10:18 |
rubenwardy |
Should "see your creations in 3d" be in the intro film? |
| 10:18 |
thexyz |
font included with minetest by default doesn't support at least chinese symbols |
| 10:19 |
TForsman |
brb, re-login, changed default language to only use one locale, not any fallbacks if one is missing |
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celeron55 |
in any case, as the unit tests don't fail, we can be relatively sure everything works even with such strange locale settings |
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Matsetes |
Where can I put images for displaying them in the forum? |
| 10:24 |
thexyz |
Matsetes: imgur.com |
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Matsetes |
thexyz: Thanks |
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* rubenwardy |
is recording on redcrab.suret.net 30401 for the intro vid |
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TForsman |
celeron55: removed my other locale. only using system one. so no export language in basrc anymore. Still same issue. |
| 10:36 |
thexyz |
is it really an "issue"? does something break? |
| 10:36 |
TForsman |
i cant start the game |
| 10:37 |
TForsman |
http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/733/skrmbildae.png |
| 10:37 |
thexyz |
even with the patch to builtin applied? |
| 10:38 |
TForsman |
with the fix in: /usr/share/minetest/builtin/builtin.lua then it works |
| 10:38 |
TForsman |
without the locale line, it wont work |
| 10:38 |
thexyz |
it's fine then |
| 10:39 |
thexyz |
I already committed it |
| 10:39 |
TForsman |
ahh, then it's all fine. |
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rubenwardy |
... |
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jojoa1997 |
GOLDFISH |
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jojoa1997 |
who here likes goldfish? |
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VanessaE |
good morning all |
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berome |
hi VanessaE ! |
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VanessaE |
heyu |
| 15:04 |
VanessaE |
hey |
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NekoGloop |
Meow :3 |
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VanessaE |
meow. |
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rotor112 |
what's the license for this? http://www.google.com/recaptcha/api/image?c=03AHJ_VusaK7qyb_-wF2mHa6kOP24iq6-idjk6vkqo4AARXzGitUzHCi4Fne7Ogb9SK03sMmpd6GFT-QkNCGetjPi2IScgq2qAumFYsm4Fc1YVydoCRPCCbgYZMnrNCC7t-mGspClC4h3BxLwB4ozZgnDyFNGooY04gvstyOT6eEgNulSX4KnpZ_w |
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VanessaE |
that's a reCaptcha image. |
| 16:01 |
NekoGloop |
WTFDL: what the fuck dat link |
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VanessaE |
I think the images thereof are public domain |
| 16:02 |
VanessaE |
or WTFPL/CC0 whatever is appropriate for your country |
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rotor112 |
ok, thanks |
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PilzAdam |
Hello everyone! |
| 16:05 |
rotor112 |
hi |
| 16:07 |
rotor112 |
I think the irc mod doesn't work now at minetest.org |
| 16:09 |
VanessaE |
morning adam |
| 16:16 |
rotor112 |
there's an invisible letter |
| 16:16 |
rotor112 |
at king artur's server |
| 16:16 |
PilzAdam |
new GetText win32 build with TrueTypeFont support: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4547 |
| 16:18 |
rotor112 |
this letter and a "r"(at irc) create a new line |
| 16:19 |
rotor112 |
so they wrote these signs |
| 16:21 |
rotor112 |
you can add a new line at default signs |
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rotor112 |
with minetest |
| 16:21 |
VanessaE |
since when? |
| 16:21 |
VanessaE |
only PilzAdam/thexyz signs could do that (with "|") |
| 16:22 |
VanessaE |
or is someone exploiting a bug? |
| 16:22 |
rotor112 |
it's a invisible letter |
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PilzAdam |
VanessaE, what rotor112 is probably talking about is that the infotext in the GUI no has enabled line wrapping |
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rotor112 |
I can't show it here |
| 16:22 |
VanessaE |
ah |
| 16:22 |
VanessaE |
I forgot about that tweak |
| 16:23 |
VanessaE |
PilzAdam: I guess your signs mod (and my forks thereof) will need to be updated to use the new formspec :-) |
| 16:23 |
rotor112 |
if you use the irc mod you could read this letter here and a r after it |
| 16:24 |
rotor112 |
I found it there http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3292 |
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rotor112 |
on this server |
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rotor112 |
then I pressed right click on the rules sign |
| 16:25 |
PilzAdam |
what!?!?! |
| 16:25 |
PilzAdam |
VanessaE is female!?!?! http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=71093#p71093 |
| 16:25 |
PilzAdam |
;-) |
| 16:25 |
VanessaE |
yep, when last I checked |
| 16:25 |
rotor112 |
was* |
| 16:28 |
VanessaE |
zzz |
| 16:29 |
rotor112 |
go to this server and read the rule signs |
| 16:29 |
VanessaE |
just take a screenshot |
| 16:29 |
rotor112 |
ok |
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markveidemanis |
Hi! |
| 16:32 |
rotor112 |
hi |
| 16:32 |
PilzAdam |
rotor112, the problem is because someone added newlines at the end of each rule sign |
| 16:32 |
rotor112 |
I know |
| 16:34 |
rotor112 |
http://ubuntuone.com/6ZwH3AsgsHnMceMJK2tISy (you're on the screenshot, too) |
| 16:35 |
rotor112 |
if you use the irc mod you can see this letter here |
| 16:37 |
rotor112 |
you can write everything ito the chat |
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rotor112 |
n* |
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rotor112 |
http://ubuntuone.com/110WRsb9oRCMZwFf2QSIVO |
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markveidemanis |
Who will post on my server toppic |
| 16:39 |
rotor112 |
only for example |
| 16:39 |
markveidemanis |
also, thexyz screwed up the links |
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thexyz |
I did. |
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markveidemanis |
http://servers.minetest.ru/ <== my link is some spanish bullshit |
| 16:40 |
jrabbit |
So anyone know about compiling irrlicht on mac? |
| 16:40 |
markveidemanis |
You mised a letter!! |
| 16:40 |
jrabbit |
And why ots not in a packagemanager? |
| 16:41 |
PilzAdam |
jrabbit, we currently lack a mac maintainer |
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jrabbit |
sure, but why is the engine so hard to build |
| 16:41 |
jrabbit |
minetest should be simple to maintain if the engine can be built... |
| 16:41 |
jrabbit |
I'd be able to script it actually |
| 16:41 |
PilzAdam |
related topic: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=55239 |
| 16:41 |
thexyz |
markveidemanis: I unscrewed it. |
| 16:41 |
jrabbit |
I have a mac with a broken screen that could be a build box maybe |
| 16:42 |
jrabbit |
automate it slash make it a continious build :D |
| 16:42 |
PilzAdam |
jrabbit, would be nice if you could offer some builds |
| 16:42 |
markveidemanis |
not unscrewed... |
| 16:42 |
thexyz |
markveidemanis: be patient |
| 16:42 |
rotor112 |
I would like to have water reflections http://blog.movingblocks.net/wp-content/uploads/Terasology-619568_960x332.jpg |
| 16:42 |
markveidemanis |
im not showing inpatience in any way |
| 16:42 |
jrabbit |
PilzAdam: well if I can figure it out I may make fink packages or homebrew packages for Irrlicht, minetest and super tux |
| 16:43 |
thexyz |
markveidemanis: ok, keep it so |
| 16:43 |
markveidemanis |
and not even asking to unscrew, just saying its screwed |
| 16:45 |
jrabbit |
I'll look at the debian src pkg |
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markveidemanis |
pp |
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jrabbit |
PilzAdam: do we know how the previous folks were getting irr*? |
| 16:53 |
PilzAdam |
have you looked at the forum thread? |
| 16:53 |
VanessaE |
markveidemanis: why are you bugging PilzAdam about that? I thought someone else maintained servers.minetest.ru |
| 16:54 |
markveidemanis |
im bugging thexyz, i thought it was his |
| 16:54 |
jrabbit |
PilzAdam: its entirely unspecific. |
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VanessaE |
oh wait, misread. |
| 16:54 |
jrabbit |
They don't seem to have any issues with dependencies except how to bundle them |
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* VanessaE |
hates her eyes sometimes. |
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jrabbit |
which can be hard |
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PilzAdam |
jrabbit, http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2803 |
| 16:55 |
PilzAdam |
maybe this helps? |
| 16:55 |
jrabbit |
oh actually I may have jsut not compield the right target |
| 16:56 |
jrabbit |
xcodebuild on the commandline doesn't tell you which target is default |
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* VanessaE |
grumbles at monoprice.com for having a broken password reset function |
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markveidemanis |
I need someone to edit the ServerExtended mod |
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markveidemanis |
To only add "god" and "clearinv" commands |
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mauvebic |
lol vanessae, i didnt know you were a member of the easth german swimming team ! :p |
| 17:09 |
mauvebic |
*east |
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VanessaE |
eh? |
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mauvebic |
"i was female" :p |
| 17:10 |
VanessaE |
bah |
| 17:10 |
VanessaE |
"It means you're all crazy to ask silly questions. :-)" |
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mauvebic |
ill never understand why A/S/L matters at all online lol |
| 17:11 |
khonkhortisan |
I read that as american sign language. Is that age/sex/language? |
| 17:11 |
mauvebic |
all it usually does is invite insults based on age, gender or nationality lol |
| 17:11 |
jrabbit |
Can I give up and install minetest on my netbook? Yes yes I can |
| 17:11 |
mauvebic |
should work on the netbok? |
| 17:12 |
mauvebic |
make sure your graphics are up to date |
| 17:12 |
jrabbit |
(netbook runs debian :P) |
| 17:12 |
jrabbit |
it'll work fine |
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mauvebic |
im so sorry |
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mauvebic |
wait thats intentional? :p |
| 17:12 |
jrabbit |
haha very funny. |
| 17:13 |
mauvebic |
debian's a bit sluggish for netbook, you got more than 1 gig of ram at least? |
| 17:13 |
VanessaE |
jrabbit: better you should run a server instance on your desktop machine, and let the laptop run only the client half |
| 17:13 |
jrabbit |
probably? |
| 17:13 |
VanessaE |
that way you can spread the load. |
| 17:13 |
mauvebic |
you *can* run a server off a netbook, using crunch/arch/bang with open/flux/blackbox |
| 17:13 |
mauvebic |
basically dedicate all your resources to it lol |
| 17:13 |
Calinou |
jrabbit: wireless receivers need firmware! |
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Calinou |
(in mesecons) |
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jrabbit |
Huh? |
| 17:14 |
Calinou |
/debian troll |
| 17:14 |
mauvebic |
which if you have a spare laptop lying around, is perfect |
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VanessaE |
haha |
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mauvebic |
you can't have wireless mesecons in debian, its proprietary! lol :p |
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Calinou |
IMO, if you have limited money, a netbook isn't a solution, better build a cheap desktop that will pwn any low end laptop |
| 17:14 |
jrabbit |
fuck my laptops I have servers. |
| 17:14 |
mauvebic |
and on debian they have the 'freecons' version lol |
| 17:14 |
jrabbit |
:P |
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JesseH |
Calinou, I agree. |
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JesseH |
Netbooks are for those forced to use them. |
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mauvebic |
meh, anyone have any real trouble running a server off the terminal of a laptop? |
| 17:15 |
jrabbit |
is this a bad firefox / iceweasel joke? |
| 17:15 |
Calinou |
but just save your money and build a good PC :-D |
| 17:15 |
mauvebic |
*assuming* you already have said netbook/laptop |
| 17:15 |
jrabbit |
finally |
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jrabbit |
its backlight is flakey |
| 17:16 |
JesseH |
I have a minetest question: Is there away to get the data from a world, just by logging into a server? |
| 17:16 |
JesseH |
away == a way |
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mauvebic |
ill tell you whuat though i was quite glad to have a netbook when i was pulling 14hrs/day for 6 days a week lol |
| 17:16 |
Calinou |
you could write a C++ mod to download worlds somehow :P |
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JesseH |
Calinou, I know, but I don't want to reinvent the wheel if it already exists. |
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mauvebic |
c++? prolly wont work long with the new security package lol |
| 17:18 |
Calinou |
noone made it |
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mauvebic |
though, with os.execute removed lua-side, theres no use releasing my mesh converting ('unsecure') :p |
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mauvebic |
*converter |
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mauvebic |
the best alt would be using pyGTK to write a frontend |
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jrabbit |
ew gtk :( |
| 17:24 |
mauvebic |
not much choice there lol |
| 17:25 |
jrabbit |
theres lots of python gui options |
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Calinou |
april fool: I'm going to port GTK3 to windows |
| 17:25 |
jrabbit |
10-20 fps out of the box |
| 17:25 |
JesseH |
What's wrong with Lua? :P |
| 17:25 |
jrabbit |
Lua's a nice language |
| 17:25 |
mauvebic |
nothing wrong with lua :P but meshconverter isnt in lua and os.execute is or is going to be disabled :p |
| 17:26 |
Calinou |
jrabbit: 10-20FPS for what? |
| 17:26 |
jrabbit |
minetest on thenetbook |
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jrabbit |
need a real mouse/kb though |
| 17:26 |
Calinou |
heh, I get similar framerates too on my netbook |
| 17:26 |
Calinou |
disable clouds and fog |
| 17:26 |
jrabbit |
the touchpad is atrocious on the netbook |
| 17:26 |
Calinou |
enable_fog = 0 |
| 17:26 |
jrabbit |
k |
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Calinou |
enable_clouds = 0 |
| 17:26 |
Calinou |
^ put these lines in minetest.conf |
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JesseH |
ahh ok I see mauvebic |
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jrabbit |
wsheres that in ~? |
| 17:27 |
Calinou |
~/.minetest/minetest.conf on a non-portable install |
| 17:27 |
Calinou |
in a portable install, in your minetest directory |
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jrabbit |
k |
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mauvebic |
i need more landmark meshes tho |
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MiJyn |
celeron55, did you read my PM? |
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berome |
Calinou: and what about farmersh ? Should we set something other than by default about that to improve FPS ? |
| 17:35 |
VanessaE |
farmesh is...broken |
| 17:35 |
berome |
do not uncomment in minetest.conf so :-) |
| 17:35 |
mauvebic |
anyone else have nodeboxes disapear when there are alot of them? |
| 17:35 |
markveidemanis |
http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3954 |
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markveidemanis |
POST!! |
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VanessaE |
mauvebic: out of indices. |
| 17:35 |
VanessaE |
"rendering artifacts may occur" |
| 17:36 |
VanessaE |
I think RBA's fixing that |
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jrabbit |
can i assign a key to dig? |
| 17:36 |
VanessaE |
(apparently he needs to in order for his rotation code to work right, not exactly sure) |
| 17:36 |
mauvebic |
someone also mentionned 2D flickering at map edges - i get that everywhere even w/ thin nodeboxes |
| 17:40 |
markveidemanis |
Come on my server to play with |
| 17:40 |
markveidemanis |
Buildings!!! |
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markveidemanis |
Come on my server jojoa1997 :D |
| 17:41 |
jojoa1997 |
sorry i am really busy i just cam on to ask RBA something |
| 17:41 |
markveidemanis |
New VPS New VPS... |
| 17:42 |
markveidemanis |
ok |
| 17:42 |
jojoa1997 |
RealBadAngel: is it possibel that you could make a crafting guide for inventory_plus but it is like the one in unified inventory |
| 17:43 |
VanessaE |
meh, inventory_plus is outdated :-) |
| 17:44 |
jojoa1997 |
no |
| 17:44 |
mauvebic |
who maintains it? |
| 17:44 |
VanessaE |
cornernote I think? |
| 17:44 |
VanessaE |
maintained |
| 17:45 |
jojoa1997 |
nope |
| 17:45 |
mauvebic |
oh well, go w/ unified, its the updated version |
| 17:45 |
jojoa1997 |
inventory plus is the basis for other mods |
| 17:45 |
Matsetes |
Hi! |
| 17:45 |
jojoa1997 |
i cant have armor and other stuff with unified |
| 17:45 |
markveidemanis |
Hi |
| 17:45 |
VanessaE |
jojoa1997: blame the person who made the armor mod :-) |
| 17:45 |
jojoa1997 |
i say it is stinting modding possibilites |
| 17:45 |
mauvebic |
or write the addon yourself? :p |
| 17:45 |
Matsetes |
Is there a way to use a button to keep a light on with mesecon? |
| 17:45 |
jojoa1997 |
inventory plus came first |
| 17:46 |
Calinou |
berome: farmesh is off by default and borked :P |
| 17:46 |
mauvebic |
and the maintainers' gone, so dont expect new updates for that lol |
| 17:46 |
jojoa1997 |
i have not seen a single mod that uses unified |
| 17:46 |
VanessaE |
Matsetes: use a microcontroller or a pair of AND gates to make a latch |
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| 17:47 |
VanessaE |
Matsetes: google for "R-S Latch" |
| 17:47 |
jojoa1997 |
there is no need for updates mauvebic |
| 17:47 |
jojoa1997 |
there is nothing to add |
| 17:48 |
mauvebic |
allrighty then |
| 17:48 |
berome |
Calinou: VanessaE: yes thanks :-) |
| 17:50 |
jojoa1997 |
Calinou: will there be any updates to moreores |
| 17:51 |
mauvebic |
huh, back up : https://github.com/cornernote |
| 17:52 |
jojoa1997 |
i am not trying if you guys only say it isnt possible |
| 17:54 |
Matsetes |
VanessaE: I remember a video... Is there a video to show that? |
| 17:54 |
jojoa1997 |
show what |
| 17:54 |
VanessaE |
dunno |
| 17:55 |
VanessaE |
http://www.play-hookey.com/digital/sequential/images/rsc-0000.gif |
| 17:55 |
VanessaE |
here, that's a basic R-S latch |
| 17:55 |
VanessaE |
http://www.c-jump.com/CIS77/images/figure_3_18_RS_latch.png |
| 17:55 |
VanessaE |
this one's even simpler |
| 17:55 |
VanessaE |
the first takes a clocking signal, this one doesn't.\ |
| 17:56 |
VanessaE |
mesecons gates work just like the real thing, so use two NAND gates wired as in that second image and you should have what you want. |
| 17:57 |
* jojoa1997 |
sigh |
| 17:57 |
jojoa1997 |
why did Cornernote have to get himslef/herself banned |
| 17:57 |
mauvebic |
vegan |
| 17:58 |
mauvebic |
with all that entails lol |
| 17:58 |
mauvebic |
i think he snapped lol |
| 17:59 |
jojoa1997 |
why doesnt someone continue his mods? |
| 17:59 |
mauvebic |
they were |
| 17:59 |
mauvebic |
and then you said you didn't need em |
| 18:00 |
mauvebic |
youd rather stick with the unmaintained version ;p |
| 18:00 |
jojoa1997 |
they weren't updated |
| 18:00 |
mauvebic |
dunno what exactly it is you want |
| 18:00 |
jojoa1997 |
wait did he update them on github |
| 18:01 |
jojoa1997 |
i just want a crafting guide for inventory plus |
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| 18:01 |
mauvebic |
we told yas, inventory plus not maintained |
| 18:01 |
mauvebic |
unified inventory is |
| 18:01 |
mauvebic |
so you can post requests on inventory plus thread, don't hold your breath for updates |
| 18:02 |
markveidemanis |
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| 18:02 |
jojoa1997 |
unified cant work with the other 10-20 mods out there |
| 18:03 |
VanessaE |
10-20? more likely 2-3 |
| 18:03 |
jojoa1997 |
more than that |
| 18:03 |
VanessaE |
I have 55 mods on my server, including unified inventory via technic |
| 18:03 |
VanessaE |
(jeez!_ |
| 18:05 |
mauvebic |
not much point in carrying on this convo - he wont switch, and no one'\s updating invplus lol |
| 18:05 |
Calinou |
jojoa1997: there are updates from time to time |
| 18:05 |
jojoa1997 |
ok |
| 18:05 |
VanessaE |
I've only ever seen a couple of mods that demanded inventory_plus, and each time I come across one, I see where the author has decided not to support/require it after a certain point. |
| 18:05 |
VanessaE |
all of cornernote's mods are dead afaic. |
| 18:05 |
jojoa1997 |
well i will switch over to unified if it can support those mods |
| 18:06 |
VanessaE |
RealBadAngel: *poke* |
| 18:06 |
mauvebic |
this about armor? |
| 18:07 |
jojoa1997 |
no |
| 18:08 |
jojoa1997 |
armor,armorplus,bookmarks 0gb,inven warp 0gb, specialties, worldedit gui |
| 18:08 |
jojoa1997 |
and more is what i have that needs inven+ |
| 18:08 |
VanessaE |
so bug the authors of those mods to drop their support of inventory plus |
| 18:09 |
mauvebic |
i got most of those in mine though not the same base mods |
| 18:09 |
VanessaE |
it is outdated, unsupported, unmaintained. |
| 18:09 |
jojoa1997 |
cn you tell me how to make them support unified inventory |
| 18:10 |
mauvebic |
ask them not us :p |
| 18:10 |
mauvebic |
we can only relay messages |
| 18:10 |
mauvebic |
authors like it better come from users |
| 18:10 |
mauvebic |
*coming |
| 18:10 |
VanessaE |
ask RealBadAngel to add the necessary support to Unified Inventory so it can do whatever it is Inventory Plus does, then ask the authors of those other mods to allow for UI support in lieu of IP. |
| 18:10 |
mauvebic |
wtf is up with my tenses today lol |
| 18:10 |
jojoa1997 |
"they" are not updating them anymore |
| 18:10 |
jojoa1997 |
anyways |
| 18:10 |
khonkhortisan |
they don't like being called tense |
| 18:10 |
jojoa1997 |
unified inven cant support other mods |
| 18:11 |
mauvebic |
vanessae last i heard rba was updating unified so i can merge my fork back, so it should be able to support alot of things |
| 18:11 |
VanessaE |
nice |
| 18:11 |
VanessaE |
jojoa1997: "can't", or just "doesn't, yet"? |
| 18:12 |
mauvebic |
the main points is being able to setup a menu easily, add pages/tabs easily, adjust the size of the inventory itself, etc. |
| 18:12 |
mauvebic |
ideally my fork and the original should be able to run off the same cade |
| 18:12 |
mauvebic |
*code |
| 18:12 |
mauvebic |
wtf lol |
| 18:12 |
VanessaE |
nice |
| 18:13 |
VanessaE |
now all you gotta do is add something to UI that'll stand in for IP and satisfy the dependencies thereof :-) |
| 18:13 |
mauvebic |
yeah, i wanna see the default creative replaced, so unified needs to be universal lol |
| 18:13 |
jojoa1997 |
i have one request then to RBA |
| 18:13 |
mauvebic |
IP? |
| 18:13 |
VanessaE |
default creative is, frankly, horrible compared to UI |
| 18:13 |
VanessaE |
IP, Inventory Plus. UI, Unified Inventory |
| 18:13 |
mauvebic |
im guessing thats not intellectual property |
| 18:13 |
mauvebic |
ah ok lol |
| 18:14 |
VanessaE |
just trying to reduce my typing. |
| 18:14 |
jojoa1997 |
RealBadAngel please make the creative inventory work like the default one |
| 18:14 |
VanessaE |
jojoa1997: nOOOOOOOOOooooOOOoooOOoooOOooOOooOooOoooOOOO |
| 18:14 |
mauvebic |
default creative served us well when we didn't have this many nodes |
| 18:14 |
jojoa1997 |
why not? |
| 18:14 |
mauvebic |
by now, search is mandatory |
| 18:14 |
khonkhortisan |
pages for one |
| 18:14 |
VanessaE |
because default creative inventory is shit |
| 18:14 |
VanessaE |
(sorry PilzAdam) |
| 18:14 |
jojoa1997 |
nononono |
| 18:14 |
khonkhortisan |
and tabs |
| 18:14 |
VanessaE |
with lots of mods and no search, it's hopeless to try to use it |
| 18:14 |
jojoa1997 |
i mean the only need one node and infinite palces |
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| 18:14 |
jojoa1997 |
that thing |
| 18:15 |
mauvebic |
heck, default creative = 14 pages to flip through lol |
| 18:15 |
mauvebic |
prolly more now for me lol |
| 18:15 |
khonkhortisan |
instead of 99 nodes? |
| 18:15 |
jojoa1997 |
keep the search |
| 18:15 |
jojoa1997 |
yeah |
| 18:15 |
khonkhortisan |
I have unified and default fighting with each other |
| 18:15 |
mauvebic |
youre sposed to yank 1 of em out |
| 18:15 |
VanessaE |
khonkhortisan: you have to delete the default one. |
| 18:15 |
khonkhortisan |
okay |
| 18:16 |
mauvebic |
or write a function to determine which one to serve to who |
| 18:17 |
mauvebic |
newer unified should support permission based stuff too |
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| 18:18 |
markveidemanis |
Hi! |
| 18:19 |
jojoa1997 |
back |
| 18:20 |
xming |
hmm, a bit lost here, should I use unified inventory or craft guide? (that is if I want a guide for crafting) |
| 18:20 |
VanessaE |
Unified Inventory |
| 18:21 |
khonkhortisan |
craft guide should be part of the inventory instead of a separate node menu |
| 18:21 |
jojoa1997 |
what is farming plus dependent on |
| 18:21 |
VanessaE |
famring |
| 18:21 |
mauvebic |
thats not how it was written tho :p |
| 18:21 |
VanessaE |
farming* |
| 18:21 |
jojoa1997 |
i have that? |
| 18:22 |
VanessaE |
dunno |
| 18:22 |
jojoa1997 |
i have everything |
| 18:22 |
jojoa1997 |
i mean why doesnt it work |
| 18:22 |
jojoa1997 |
i have all the dependencies |
| 18:22 |
VanessaE |
ever since that damn mod config menu got added, the engine/server/whatever doesn't bother to fucking TELL you which mods are missing anymore |
| 18:22 |
VanessaE |
fucking STUPID change |
| 18:22 |
mauvebic |
lol |
| 18:23 |
mauvebic |
who's? |
| 18:23 |
jojoa1997 |
what happened to set time in unified inven |
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| 18:23 |
khonkhortisan |
time setting isn't really for a public server |
| 18:23 |
mauvebic |
that could use a priv lock |
| 18:23 |
jojoa1997 |
wit does |
| 18:24 |
mauvebic |
in my fork - you cant access any of the tabs without the appropriate priv - the only thing i havent done yet is actually hide the buttons when they dont have privs |
| 18:24 |
sokomine |
how about bags and the diffrent versions of inventory? i have them sometimes mixed and use the trader from mobf to reset it |
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| 18:26 |
mauvebic |
dont use bags :/ i use clear |
| 18:26 |
mauvebic |
cant you just expand the player inventory? |
| 18:27 |
mauvebic |
if not expand then you can fake it with an additional detached |
| 18:27 |
sokomine |
the bags are a good mod |
| 18:27 |
sokomine |
and yes, they use detached inventorys to my knowledge |
| 18:27 |
mauvebic |
but is the player inv static to 32 slots? |
| 18:28 |
mauvebic |
'bags' could be a tab in unified with like another 32 slot inventory |
| 18:29 |
mauvebic |
tho if you got more crap than you know what to do with, you might consider some sort of trading mod lol |
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| 18:31 |
jojoa1997 |
VanessaE could u make papyrus grow naturally in plantlib |
| 18:31 |
VanessaE |
jojoa1997: I could, but there are other mods that do that |
| 18:32 |
khonkhortisan |
I git blame Jeija for drop = "mesecons_extrawires:insulated_off", |
| 18:32 |
jojoa1997 |
what are they? |
| 18:34 |
VanessaE |
I don't remember off the top of my head |
| 18:34 |
jojoa1997 |
does anyone know the recipe for trapglass |
| 18:35 |
jojoa1997 |
like on your server anessae |
| 18:36 |
VanessaE |
note sure off the top of my head |
| 18:37 |
NekoGloop |
not* |
| 18:37 |
VanessaE |
note* |
| 18:37 |
VanessaE |
not* |
| 18:42 |
markveidemanis |
hi |
| 18:42 |
markveidemanis |
post on my topic! |
| 18:42 |
markveidemanis |
http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3954 |
| 18:43 |
VanessaE |
meh. |
| 18:45 |
markveidemanis |
No join, just post |
| 18:45 |
sokomine |
mauvebic: sapiers mobf has a trader. i've given it a bit more to trade :-) the bags problem is something diffrent |
| 18:45 |
VanessaE |
people will post when they want to. |
| 18:46 |
markveidemanis |
Who has been on the gameboom server? |
| 18:46 |
khonkhortisan |
me, but not lately |
| 18:46 |
markveidemanis |
who is common on the gameboom server |
| 18:46 |
markveidemanis |
like.. |
| 18:47 |
markveidemanis |
darkrose,Emmet124,Zourent,Bad_Command,Alphamale,DerakuTenshi |
| 18:47 |
markveidemanis |
Ghostshell.. |
| 18:47 |
markveidemanis |
The list goes on |
| 18:47 |
markveidemanis |
Those are good people, they know what they are doing |
| 18:47 |
VanessaE |
I thought gameboom was dead? |
| 18:47 |
markveidemanis |
And where are they now? |
| 18:47 |
markveidemanis |
it is |
| 18:47 |
khonkhortisan |
it's still up I think |
| 18:47 |
khonkhortisan |
oh |
| 18:47 |
markveidemanis |
But it's people are not... |
| 18:48 |
markveidemanis |
it's up, but dead |
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markveidemanis |
Mapgen bug, no bother to get new map... |
| 18:48 |
khonkhortisan |
bones were making me actually lose stuff |
| 18:49 |
markveidemanis |
Thats the point :D |
| 18:49 |
markveidemanis |
What is LevelDB |
| 18:49 |
khonkhortisan |
no, I ran to my bones and they disappeared right in front of me |
| 18:49 |
markveidemanis |
as opposed to sqlite3 |
| 18:49 |
khonkhortisan |
or never appeared |
| 18:49 |
markveidemanis |
oh, |
| 18:49 |
markveidemanis |
Thats the mapgen |
| 18:52 |
markveidemanis |
So join now plz |
| 18:52 |
markveidemanis |
if you are like the people i listed, or know them, join now |
| 18:52 |
markveidemanis |
or ARE them |
| 19:08 |
VanessaE |
leveldb versus sqlite is the database engine used to store your map. |
| 19:08 |
VanessaE |
it is not related to the map generator. |
| 19:08 |
VanessaE |
sqlite bugs out with files > 4GB, leveldb does not. |
| 19:08 |
VanessaE |
some have said leveldb is also a tad fastet to access than sqlite. |
| 19:12 |
MiJyn |
is it possible to force minetest to load a certain area of a map from lua? |
| 19:12 |
VanessaE |
no |
| 19:12 |
MiJyn |
dang |
| 19:13 |
MiJyn |
heh, well, new issue to file :P |
| 19:13 |
VanessaE |
already been discussed |
| 19:13 |
VanessaE |
nothing has been decided as far as I know. |
| 19:14 |
MiJyn |
oh |
| 19:15 |
MiJyn |
would be so awesome for my mod ^^ |
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* JesseH |
needs a good server to play on. |
| 19:17 |
VanessaE |
try mine. |
| 19:17 |
JesseH |
PM me ip, or whatever :P |
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VanessaE |
vanessae.mine.bz:30000. creative mode, tons of mods, slow as hell :-) |
| 19:17 |
VanessaE |
hey traxie. |
| 19:18 |
JesseH |
slow as hell lol |
| 19:18 |
JesseH |
I've seen that before playing minetest |
| 19:19 |
* MiJyn |
wonders where he could have _possibly_ seen that... *cough*minecr*ft*cough* |
| 19:19 |
JesseH |
Been reading over the API a little bit, and I am probably going to host my own server sooner or later with my mods. |
| 19:19 |
MiJyn |
cool! |
| 19:20 |
JesseH |
I can't compare minetest of minecraft, because minetest hasn't been developed as much as minecraft. |
| 19:20 |
MiJyn |
ah ok |
| 19:20 |
MiJyn |
yeah |
| 19:20 |
Traxie21 |
how does one use minetest.env:find_nodes_in_area? |
| 19:21 |
Traxie21 |
ohi Vanessa! |
| 19:21 |
JesseH |
one moment Traxie21 |
| 19:21 |
Traxie21 |
I know how, but it dosnt seem to work |
| 19:21 |
Traxie21 |
print(dump(minetest.env:find_nodes_in_area({x=pos.x+1, y=pos.y, z=pos.z+1}, {x=pos.x-1, y=0, z=pos.z-1}, {"default:dirt"}))) |
| 19:21 |
MiJyn |
oh |
| 19:21 |
VanessaE |
traxie, you give it a minimum and maximum position as corners of the rectilinear region to search, and a list of node names to search for. it returns a list of positions for that node if any |
| 19:22 |
Traxie21 |
Yeah |
| 19:22 |
MiJyn |
I just made my own function... works fine for me :P |
| 19:22 |
Traxie21 |
With the code above, it ALWAYS returns {} |
| 19:22 |
JesseH |
I couldn't find that in the documentation D: |
| 19:22 |
Traxie21 |
never has anything in it |
| 19:22 |
VanessaE |
maybe because your box corners are not sorted. |
| 19:22 |
VanessaE |
notice you put z-1 after z+1 |
| 19:22 |
MiJyn |
why don't you just make your own? Mine was only ~20 lines of code |
| 19:22 |
MiJyn |
and works fine |
| 19:22 |
Traxie21 |
What do you mean Vanessa? |
| 19:22 |
VanessaE |
try putting the lower-valued coordinates first |
| 19:23 |
Traxie21 |
k |
| 19:23 |
VanessaE |
try: {x=pos.x-1, y=pos.y, z=pos.z-1}, {x=pos.x+1, y=0, z=pos.z+1}, {"default:dirt"} |
| 19:23 |
VanessaE |
maybe also swap y=pos.y with y=0 -- I dunno what your y coords refer to in this case :-) |
| 19:24 |
Traxie21 |
y = pos.y is the y position of a block |
| 19:24 |
Traxie21 |
if I set it to zero, it will check at y 0 |
| 19:24 |
VanessaE |
if pos.y is always greater than 0, then you should put it with the x+1, z+1 |
| 19:24 |
VanessaE |
and put y=0 with the x-1, z-1 part. |
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| 19:25 |
Traxie21 |
It may not always be greater than zero |
| 19:25 |
VanessaE |
hrm |
| 19:25 |
VanessaE |
that could be an issue then |
| 19:25 |
Traxie21 |
Wait |
| 19:25 |
Traxie21 |
Now its printing positions |
| 19:25 |
Traxie21 |
Its working :D |
| 19:25 |
VanessaE |
ah! |
| 19:25 |
VanessaE |
good |
| 19:25 |
VanessaE |
now consider the range of Y values |
| 19:26 |
VanessaE |
you might need to either do two separate checks, or one check that straddles y=0. |
| 19:26 |
Traxie21 |
ok |
| 19:26 |
Traxie21 |
Btw, now how to I only make code run when it finds values in that table? |
| 19:26 |
Traxie21 |
checking if the table is empty or {} dosnt seem to work... |
| 19:27 |
VanessaE |
nodes = minetest.env:find_nodes_in_area(.....) |
| 19:27 |
VanessaE |
if nodes then |
| 19:27 |
VanessaE |
blah blah |
| 19:27 |
VanessaE |
end |
| 19:27 |
Traxie21 |
wow |
| 19:27 |
Traxie21 |
fast typer |
| 19:27 |
VanessaE |
fast copy&paster ;-) |
| 19:28 |
VanessaE |
nodes will either be a table or nil, or at least that's how it's *supposed* to work |
| 19:28 |
Traxie21 |
yeah |
| 19:28 |
Traxie21 |
Its returning {} |
| 19:28 |
VanessaE |
so 'if nodes then....' will execute if nodes != nil |
| 19:28 |
VanessaE |
odd |
| 19:28 |
VanessaE |
well you could always.... |
| 19:28 |
VanessaE |
if nodes ~= {} and nodes ~= nil then |
| 19:28 |
VanessaE |
blah blah |
| 19:28 |
VanessaE |
end |
| 19:29 |
Traxie21 |
yeah |
| 19:29 |
RealBadAngel |
for _,object in ipairs(minetest.env:get_objects_inside_radius(pos, 2)) do |
| 19:29 |
Traxie21 |
trying that |
| 19:29 |
RealBadAngel |
example for similar function |
| 19:29 |
Traxie21 |
Yeah |
| 19:29 |
Traxie21 |
I cant use that |
| 19:29 |
RealBadAngel |
use ipairs |
| 19:29 |
Traxie21 |
I need to check on a horizontal axis only |
| 19:29 |
VanessaE |
what are you doing anyway? |
| 19:30 |
Traxie21 |
trying to finish my mud mod |
| 19:30 |
Traxie21 |
XD |
| 19:30 |
Traxie21 |
sand by the ocean needs to become sandmud |
| 19:31 |
VanessaE |
use plants_lib for that :-) |
| 19:31 |
jin_xi |
VanessaE: its supposed to return a list of positions |
| 19:31 |
VanessaE |
it can do the checks you want to do :-_) |
| 19:31 |
VanessaE |
jin_xi: or nil, if the node wasn't found. |
| 19:31 |
Traxie21 |
I know, but its an extra lib, for something supposedly so simple |
| 19:31 |
jin_xi |
VanessaE: nope.jpg |
| 19:32 |
jin_xi |
https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L1071 |
| 19:32 |
VanessaE |
strange, I coulda sworn it had mentioned returning nil |
| 19:32 |
jin_xi |
find node near does that... |
| 19:32 |
VanessaE |
well no matter, she's checking for an empty table now too |
| 19:33 |
Traxie21 |
wow |
| 19:33 |
Traxie21 |
if nodes == nil or nodes == "" or nodes == {} or nodes == "{}"then return false else minetest.env:add_node(pos, {name="mud:sandmud_source"}) return end |
| 19:33 |
Traxie21 |
that still gets through O_O |
| 19:33 |
VanessaE |
jeez |
| 19:34 |
Traxie21 |
this is the hardest mod I've ever done |
| 19:34 |
Traxie21 |
I should stick with textures XD |
| 19:35 |
Traxie21 |
Btw, RBA, your technic mod is excellent |
| 19:35 |
Traxie21 |
along with pipeworks |
| 19:35 |
Traxie21 |
WOOT |
| 19:35 |
Traxie21 |
Its done! |
| 19:35 |
Traxie21 |
It worked! |
| 19:35 |
VanessaE |
\o/ |
| 19:35 |
Traxie21 |
Testing time |
| 19:36 |
RealBadAngel |
thx |
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sokomine |
what will your mod do, traxie? |
| 19:37 |
Traxie21 |
make a caustic/erosive mud that can mine when controlled |
| 19:37 |
Traxie21 |
But can also be a natural disaster |
| 19:37 |
sokomine |
sounds dangerous |
| 19:37 |
Traxie21 |
It is |
| 19:37 |
Traxie21 |
Fortunately, it can normally only be created with player help |
| 19:37 |
Traxie21 |
sandmud is not dangerous |
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* sokomine |
turns fly on and watches from above :-) |
| 19:37 |
sokomine |
ah, ok |
| 19:38 |
Traxie21 |
Lolyea |
| 19:38 |
Traxie21 |
Before this was working, all sand turned into sandmud |
| 19:38 |
Traxie21 |
my world was totally wrecked |
| 19:38 |
MiJyn |
haha yeah, I imagine... |
| 19:40 |
sokomine |
i've got a spawning problem as well. in short: whenever such a nice huge moretrees-tree spawns, i want a function to be called that places a house some distance (5-20 blocks away) from that tree. it's supposed to be a home for lumberjacks |
| 19:40 |
Traxie21 |
what happens? |
| 19:40 |
sokomine |
of course not for every tree. maybe every 5th or 10th |
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sokomine |
the wood of the tree would be of limited help in this case since they strech up so high. also i do not care about a particular surface. just at least 1 tree has to be nearby (the more trees the more chance of a lumberjack home beeing spawned) |
| 19:43 |
VadtecWk |
hey all, im running MT off a thumb drive for a local game, and i am getting the following: http://www.pasteall.org/pic/45692 |
| 19:43 |
VadtecWk |
is there any reason everything is red like that? |
| 19:44 |
VanessaE |
VadtecWk: turn off shaders. |
| 19:44 |
MiJyn |
VanessaE, or maybe he's using a blood texture pack? O_o jk |
| 19:44 |
VadtecWk |
VanessaE, woot, that worked |
| 19:45 |
VanessaE |
regarding spawning a building... |
| 19:45 |
VanessaE |
I'm not entirely sure how to do that in fact. |
| 19:45 |
VadtecWk |
my graphics card at home is much better, cause i turned on all the graphics stuff and it worked just fine last night :P |
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sokomine |
i do have the code that actually puts the house at a given location ready. i just need such locations... |
| 19:49 |
sokomine |
if there would be a way to find out that a huge moretrees-tree is about to spawn (or has spawned) at xyz that would be helpful |
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VadtecWk |
i really love the fact that MT uses UDP |
| 19:58 |
VadtecWk |
the network admins here filter TCP heavily, and they have tagged MC packets |
| 19:58 |
VadtecWk |
and basically killed MC |
| 19:58 |
VadtecWk |
but now i can play MT :P |
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VadtecWk |
sneaky sneaky |
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FreeFull |
=P |
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jin_xi |
sokomine: maybe something like that could work? https://gist.github.com/obneq/4980214 (untested) |
| 20:14 |
sokomine |
ah, you suggest overlaying the tree-grow-function, jin_xi? hm. maybe. if it can be done in this case? |
| 20:14 |
sokomine |
that would at least be along the lines i was thinking |
| 20:14 |
VanessaE |
that might work too |
| 20:15 |
VanessaE |
I hadn't even thought of doing that |
| 20:15 |
VanessaE |
but you'll have to be very careful about detecting what is being spawned |
| 20:15 |
VanessaE |
because this will also affect sapling growth |
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sokomine |
would be easiest for me in this case i think. i could attach a hut to every 5th or 10th tree. what is important is the location of the tree and the type of it |
| 20:16 |
sokomine |
in how far? |
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PilzAdam |
bye |
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sokomine |
how do trees grow btw? do they spawn saplings first? |
| 20:20 |
VanessaE |
nope, they just grow immediately. |
| 20:20 |
sokomine |
ok |
| 20:21 |
VanessaE |
the spawning algorithm selects a spot and either calls spawn_tree() directly or calls a function in moretrees to handle it (which also just calls spawn_tree() after doing a couple of tests) |
| 20:22 |
VanessaE |
so for example, a palm is spawned directly at the target, while a fir is spawned via a function call, which does a quick random function to decide which model and size to spawn |
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VanessaE |
saplings are individually deleted and replaced by whole trees when their time comes |
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sokomine |
hm, yes, the trees are of diffrent sizes and might require diffrent distance |
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sokomine |
hi backupcoder |
| 20:22 |
VanessaE |
via plants_lib's growing abm |
| 20:23 |
sokomine |
ok. but on mapgen it's immediate growing |
| 20:24 |
VanessaE |
yes |
| 20:24 |
sokomine |
how about depth? do the trees grow down some way? else i could place the detector-node beneath the tree-to-be and spawn the house a few seconds later somewhere in the area (i'd like to wait a bit due to incoming mud from neighbouring generated areas) |
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VanessaE |
as soon as a spawn target is chosen, the tree is immediately spawned. |
| 20:25 |
VanessaE |
no, they don't. |
| 20:25 |
VanessaE |
that's not a bad idea at all in fact |
| 20:25 |
VanessaE |
place your special node two spaces below the tree |
| 20:25 |
sokomine |
or...well...with an after-function, i could just call it with the position without placing anything |
| 20:25 |
VanessaE |
brb, gotta do something |
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| 20:26 |
VanessaE |
exactly |
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sokomine |
a general node might not be a bad idea after all for those huge trees. could be useful for other mods as well that want to detect trees. they're more complicated than the typical 4-trunks-upward-and-leaves-version |
| 20:26 |
VanessaE |
sokomine: well there's also group:moretrees_trunk |
| 20:27 |
VanessaE |
:-) |
| 20:27 |
sokomine |
...which will also occur in my houses since they will use the same wood the tree is made out of... |
| 20:28 |
sokomine |
such a root-node could help supply jungletrees with those roots they used to have in bas' mod |
| 20:28 |
sokomine |
that's something i miss with the moretrees-version |
| 20:29 |
VanessaE |
you mean the + shaped roots? |
| 20:29 |
sokomine |
yes, those |
| 20:29 |
VanessaE |
that's easy to add, should be a small matter of a quick tweak to the jungletrees model |
| 20:30 |
VanessaE |
check tree_models.lua, maybe you can play around with it? |
| 20:35 |
VanessaE |
worst case it would require adding some code to the function that is called to spawn a jungle tree (like firs, they are spawned by function call rather that directly) to manually draw the roots |
| 20:38 |
VanessaE |
bbiab |
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VanessaE |
gotta run an errand |
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MiJyn |
does anyone know what causes a chunk to load? |
| 20:55 |
MiJyn |
if a player is in it? |
| 20:55 |
MiJyn |
if an entity is in it? |
| 20:56 |
MiJyn |
I mean, a player/entity moves inside it |
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Kacey |
Menche's server crashed... |
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* Kacey |
lagtest |
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Kacey |
hi all |
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VanessaE |
MiJyn: generally, if the player is looking at it and it's close enough |
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Kacey |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=1NyogxL54NE lol |
| 22:17 |
MiJyn |
@VanessaE, oh... so I can't even cheat it :/ |
| 22:17 |
VanessaE |
not yet |
| 22:17 |
VanessaE |
there's been talk of making it possible for the client to request blocks, and also of Lua mods doing the same, but no one's decided to make this happen yet |
| 22:22 |
MiJyn |
dang |
| 22:23 |
MiJyn |
I'll have to make a bot |
| 22:23 |
MiJyn |
or something |
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MiJyn |
are there any tutorials for bot-making? |
| 22:29 |
MiJyn |
in lua |
| 22:29 |
VanessaE |
nope, not that I know of |
| 22:29 |
MiJyn |
ok |
| 22:29 |
VanessaE |
no one would EVER compose such a thing - how dare you even suggest it, you hacker ;) |
| 22:30 |
MiJyn |
uh whut? |
| 22:30 |
VanessaE |
gah, so much for that joke |
| 22:31 |
MiJyn |
ok xD |
| 22:31 |
MiJyn |
ok, so is it possible to create a new player in lua? |
| 22:32 |
VanessaE |
not that I know of. |
| 22:32 |
VanessaE |
you're gonna have to do this in an external program or something |
| 22:32 |
MiJyn |
oh :/ |
| 22:33 |
MiJyn |
ok, I guess I'll just wait |
| 22:36 |
Kacey |
what is a gpu? |
| 22:37 |
VanessaE |
graphics card |
| 22:37 |
VanessaE |
namely, the main chip on the card |
| 22:37 |
VanessaE |
Graphics Processing Unit |
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sokomine |
how can i overload the spawn_tree function? does it work at all? it's in the lua api... |
| 22:55 |
VanessaE |
overload it? |
| 22:56 |
VanessaE |
you mean overlay it |
| 22:56 |
VanessaE |
as in wedge into it? |
| 22:56 |
xming |
I was wondering how do those moreblocks/ores mods work when I drop them in a existing world? Will they change existing blocks? |
| 22:56 |
sokomine |
xming: only newly generated |
| 22:56 |
sokomine |
vanessa: yes |
| 22:57 |
xming |
that makes sense |
| 22:57 |
sokomine |
jin_xi suggested https://gist.github.com/obneq/4980214 ... does not seem to work in this case? |
| 22:58 |
VanessaE |
I |
| 22:58 |
VanessaE |
I'll have to leave you to it, I don't know how to do that |
| 23:01 |
VanessaE |
I know, fat lotta help I am today :D |
| 23:05 |
xming |
is "Dwarves" a good gametype/collection of mods to start with? |
| 23:08 |
VanessaE |
dunno |
| 23:10 |
xming |
trying to setup a server without much knowledge in MT |
| 23:10 |
xming |
adding mods bit by bit |
| 23:11 |
xming |
then noticed (by reading here) that some are outdated/unmaintained |
| 23:11 |
xming |
so what's the best practice here for a n00b? |
| 23:12 |
VanessaE |
just do what you're doing now |
| 23:12 |
VanessaE |
use common sense, try mods out one at a time, see what works for you |
| 23:12 |
xming |
and leran by trial & error? :D |
| 23:13 |
VanessaE |
watch the forums for mod updates, and yeah learn by trial and error :-) |
| 23:13 |
xming |
not very "user friendly" :p |
| 23:14 |
xming |
personally I am not scared by it, just lack of time |
| 23:14 |
xming |
but I can imaging some newcomer might get scared |
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FreeFull |
xming: Named after the X11 server for windows? |
| 23:15 |
xming |
there are no plans for central repo, compatibility test, status checks? |
| 23:15 |
xming |
FreeFull: nope, I should sue Xming for that |
| 23:16 |
xming |
note the capital X |
| 23:16 |
xming |
I have been using this nick (xming) on irc since 1991, way before Xming |
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FreeFull |
I think Windows 3 did have an X server, although it wasn't Xming |
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xming |
Xming was launched around 2000 |
| 23:18 |
xming |
IIRC |
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jojoa1997 |
can anyone tell me the code to make an object go in someone's inventory |
| 23:40 |
RealBadAngel |
you mean create new stack and place it inventory? |
| 23:40 |
jojoa1997 |
yes |
| 23:40 |
RealBadAngel |
hold on a sec |
| 23:41 |
jojoa1997 |
i want to use luacontrollers to give me some stuff |
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RealBadAngel |
local item={} |
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RealBadAngel |
item["name"]="default:cobble" |
| 23:44 |
RealBadAngel |
item["count]="10" |
| 23:44 |
RealBadAngel |
local itemstack:replace(item) |
| 23:44 |
RealBadAngel |
this is how you create new stack |
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jojoa1997 |
thanks you soo much |
| 23:48 |
MiJyn |
so with luacontroller, you can give yourself 1000 mese, correct? |
| 23:48 |
MiJyn |
no cost to you |
| 23:48 |
MiJyn |
only the cost of a luacontroller |
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sokomine |
same with creative? |
| 23:50 |
MiJyn |
yeah, but I'm talking about survival |
| 23:54 |
VanessaE |
more likely, you'd pop up a 1000-mese entity that you can then pick up |
| 23:54 |
VanessaE |
that'd be a little more fair to the other players anyway ;-) |
