IRC log for #minetest, 2013-02-07

Time	Nick	Message
00:01	brandy	where is everyone from 30004?
00:01	Kacey	Uberi, i cannot find it
00:01	marktraceur	brandy: Not born yet
00:02	Uberi	Kacey: do you have the luacontrollers branch?
00:02	Kacey	yes
00:02	Uberi	are you sure? where did you get it from?
00:02	brandy	hahahaha, i wanna be funny like you when i grow up :P
00:02	marktraceur	brandy: I hope you are :)
00:03	Kacey	github
00:03	Uberi	link?
00:03	brandy	it was a joke, i have 4 children, I hope im grown up lol
00:04	Kacey	https://github.com/Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons/tree/luacontroller
00:04	Uberi	and you didn't find a single pdf?
00:05	marktraceur	"If I come back there and I find a PDF, you don't get your toy back"
00:05	Uberi	:P
00:05	Kacey	i found mesecons micro pdf
00:11	M13	Why cant i download minetest-0.4-dev.20120408 from c55.me?
00:11	M13	it says forbidden
00:12	Muadtralk	why are you going back that far?
00:13	Muadtralk	more importantly I don't remember anything special about that release
00:13	Muadtralk	you try getting it from github?
00:13	Muadtralk	you can download from tags IIRC
00:14	Uberi	he means mods, mauvebic
00:14	M13	no
00:14	M13	the windows client
00:14	Uberi	* Muadtralk
00:14	Uberi	M13: windows client? yeah git history is your best bet
00:15	M13	thats source
00:15	M13	please link me
00:15	marktraceur	Then you built it
00:15	marktraceur	build*
00:15	VanessaE	why do you want such an old version of MT?
00:16	VanessaE	2014-04-08 is way obsolete.
00:16	Uberi	M13: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/tags
00:16	VanessaE	won't work with anything current.
00:16	Muadtralk	yes that was 4 versions ago!
00:16	Muadtralk	are you absurd? :P
00:16	M13	I got some old mods for it
00:16	berome	minetest-0.4.dev-20120408-win32.zip that ?
00:16	M13	yes
00:16	Muadtralk	could one not update them M13?
00:16	berome	work for me ????
00:16	M13	please upload the filesend or something
00:17	M13	to**
00:17	berome	why it would work for me but not you
00:17	berome	?
00:17	Muadtralk	what mods M13?
00:17	berome	sure I will try to do that otherwise ...
00:18	VanessaE	M13 LEARN TO COMPILE.
00:18	VanessaE	this is github.
00:18	VanessaE	learn to use it.
00:18	VanessaE	please.
00:18	M13	VanessaE
00:18	marktraceur	s/hub//
00:18	M13	I HATE WINDOWS
00:18	VanessaE	it is not at all hard to use.
00:18	VanessaE	so? git/github is OS-agnostic.
00:18	marktraceur	Then don't use it
00:18	M13	I HAVE TRIED IT
00:18	Muadtralk	If I remember correctly M13 are you ubuntunerd or madchicken?
00:18	VanessaE	Muadtralk: correct.
00:18	Uberi	M13: git works on linux/potato/whatever you use
00:18	Muadtralk	then I know that he knows how to compile
00:19	Uberi	though it will be pretty slow on a potato
00:19	M13	yes but ubuntu is sucky now, it dont support my graphics card ... :'(
00:19	Muadtralk	or at least appears to know
00:19	berome	Uberi: yes, potato rocks :-)))
00:19	M13	and its spyware
00:19	Muadtralk	then use something else
00:19	Muadtralk	plenty of fish
00:19	M13	I use puppy linux
00:19	M13	ill try it
00:19	VanessaE	M13 then downgrade to a version that works for your card.
00:19	VanessaE	or make sure you are running the drivers appropriate to it
00:20	VanessaE	ubuntu isn't spyware.
00:20	VanessaE	you're thinking of Unity.
00:20	VanessaE	which you can avoid running if you want.
00:20	VanessaE	I use Ubuntu with XFCE.
00:20	VanessaE	no spyware here.
00:21	Muadtralk	or switch to gnome
00:21	Muadtralk	which is much better
00:21	Muadtralk	and looks simalar
00:21	Muadtralk	similar*
00:21	berome	yes still possible ^
00:22	M13	I use xfce
00:22	M13	its the graphics card tho
00:22	M13	Puppy Supports it but Ubuntu doesnt lolz
00:22	M13	berome
00:22	berome	? yes
00:22	M13	did you upload???
00:23	Uberi	M13: so you're looking for the source code of Minetest, an old version?
00:23	Uberi	or a binary for puppy linux?
00:23	M13	no
00:23	berome	are you sure you need that ?
00:23	Uberi	what are you looking for then, M13?
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00:23	M13	I can get the package for puppy
00:23	VanessaE	M13: if one distro supports it and the other does not, then you need to find out why it doesn't and how to fix it.
00:23	M13	I need the client for windows
00:23	Uberi	M13: one moment
00:23	VanessaE	go get it from the forums.
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00:23	VanessaE	Pilzadam's thread
00:23	VanessaE	or thexyz's
00:23	VanessaE	or sfan5's
00:23	M13	o ok
00:23	Uberi	which version again, M13?
00:23	Muadtralk	M13 what mods do you have from that era?
00:24	berome	wait puppy is able to boot in some special old but robust graphic server
00:24	VanessaE	and STOP focusing on outdated versions. Help us make the current one better.
00:24	berome	all distrib can't do that
00:24	Uberi	M13: oh try this: https://github.com/downloads/celeron55/minetest/minetest-0.4.dev-20120408-win32.zip
00:24	Uberi	windows client 0408
00:24	M13	Thanks
00:24	* berome	trust experimented people advices here
00:24	Uberi	all downloads here: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/downloads
00:24	Uberi	no problem :)
00:25	M13	Im not trying to use it
00:25	M13	its just mrtux whats my to run a lighter version on mineteston his vps
00:25	Uberi	seems like 0.4.3 is the most popular minetest ever
00:25	Muadtralk	then strip existing version
00:25	Muadtralk	disable everything
00:25	M13	yes
00:26	Muadtralk	remove anything new from default
00:27	mrtux	m13: I just let you use my vps, I have limited memory.
00:28	M13	yes
00:28	mrtux	you can use 0.4.4 if you want
00:28	mrtux	but if you use too much ram, i'll terminate the process
00:28	M13	ill use 0.4.3
00:28	M13	its more light
00:28	mrtux	facepalm
00:28	M13	what????
00:28	* mrtux	thinks M13 likes old software
00:28	Muadtralk	wouldn't it take more space to have old and new?
00:28	M13	yup, lolz
00:28	mrtux	m13 i'm just joking around
00:29	Muadtralk	whats the size diff anyway?
00:29	mrtux	M13 installed an ancient forum script on my server and it had a ton of security holes ;)
00:29	mrtux	last updated: 2008
00:29	M13	lolz, nope
00:29	M13	2004
00:29	mrtux	Seriously?
00:29	M13	that was my bad :(
00:29	M13	yes
00:29	Muadtralk	.4 mb difference
00:30	mrtux	I won't use anything that old on a production server
00:31	Muadtralk	if you can't spare .4 mb from 0.4.3 to 0.4.4 you have bigger issues
00:31	mrtux	I'm not that concerned about storage, I got around 6GB free space
00:31	mrtux	and i remove temporary files every once and a while
00:31	Muadtralk	i know
00:32	Muadtralk	I am just pointing out how absurd it is :P
00:32	Kacey	Uberi, pm
00:32	M13	mrtux, compiling minetest0.4.4
00:32	M13	i deleted the old files
00:32	mrtux	k
00:33	mrtux	I already got a binary compiled
00:34	M13	o lolz, its at 80 % so... yeah
00:34	M13	its done
00:39	berome	(M13 puppy can choise between Xorg or Xvesa, wich is a old graphical server; that's may explain why ubuntu (no more Xvesa) can't handle graphics card "right of the box)
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00:51	M13	umm.. idk, im using a raspberry pi
00:53	berome	8-/ ok, I havn't catched that.
00:53	khonkhortisan	caught
00:54	berome	ok :-), sorry for my bad grammar, and thanks
01:00	Uberi	for reference, Jeija posted a luacontroller description here: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=65031#p65031
01:07	Kacey	khonkhortisan, the server is back up
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01:10	mrtux	M13: please stop your minetest server. I'm going to compile a kernel.
01:11	M13	ok its not online
01:11	mrtux	k
01:11	M13	just configureing it
01:13	mrtux	m13: you may use port 12302
01:13	mrtux	just don't run the server yet
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01:59	khonkhortisan	Can I change the branch a github pull request is from?
01:59	marktraceur	Yes.
01:59	khonkhortisan	how?
02:00	marktraceur	Dunno
02:00	marktraceur	Just remember doing it once
02:00	khonkhortisan	I know I can decide when I make it, but I don't know how after.
02:00	khonkhortisan	My one branch adds a new node, by other branch changes the existing node instead.
02:00	Kacey	khonkhortisan, why did you leave?
02:01	khonkhortisan	the display wasn't working right and the bottom part is a mess, and you weren't there
02:01	Kacey	i switched back to my mesecons map
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02:04	Kacey	how do i set multiple ports on a luacontroller?
02:05	khonkhortisan	Is it better to create a new pull request and link it to the old one, or to delete my commit and add another one so it stays in the same request?
02:07	khonkhortisan	bah, I'l just --force
02:07	Uberi\|Away	Kacey: port.a, port.b = true, false
02:07	Kacey	with multiple pins
02:08	khonkhortisan	haha "khonkhortisan added a commit \| Uberi commented" was changed to "Uberi commented \| khonkhortisan added a commit"
02:08	NakedFury	helloses
02:12	Kacey	broke my client lol
02:12	khonkhortisan	F10?
02:13	Kacey	no
02:13	Kacey	got stuck in the luacontroller
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02:21	khonkhortisan	error: â€˜u64â€™ has not been declared
02:21	Kacey	?
02:21	khonkhortisan	trying to compile a luaÂµC-compatible client
02:21	Kacey	aah
02:22	Uberi\|Away	khonkhortisan: missing types header?
02:23	khonkhortisan	I have u64, s64 has not been declared, was not declared in this scope, does not name a type, expected ;, ), primary-expression, warning: right shift count >= width of type
02:24	Kacey	how do i make a not gate using luacontrollers?
02:24	khonkhortisan	how would I check for a types header?
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02:24	khonkhortisan	If I had luacontrollers, I could tell you.
02:24	khonkhortisan	But I have black boxes
02:27	Kacey	i got it ^_^
02:33	mauvebic	are MCedit's schematics terribly different from MT ones?
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02:33	Uberi\|Away	mauvebic: MT schematics? what kind?
02:34	mauvebic	well im using binvox to generate a schematic file, though its an MCedit one
02:35	Uberi\|Away	how are you feeding MT maps into it?
02:36	NakedFury	he is starting from scratch
02:36	NakedFury	then will have to do it in MT too
02:36	NakedFury	unless he can come up with a schematic converter
02:36	NakedFury	and we will all hug him
02:36	NakedFury	a bear hug
02:37	mauvebic	im looking for an -t flag to binvox thatll give me xyz coordinates
02:37	khonkhortisan	Uberi\|Away, not the types header, but older irrlicht.
02:37	Uberi\|Away	ah
02:38	mauvebic	aparently MC's schematics are pcx files
02:40	mauvebic	theres also HIPS, MIRA, VTK, 'raw', and .smh
02:40	mauvebic	*msh
02:40	Uberi\|Away	:/
02:41	mauvebic	ill try raw
02:41	mauvebic	if it gives anything i can parse thats good 'nuff lol
02:42	mauvebic	though im no longer impressed by the scale version of ships in MC knowing they can just import meshes into there lol
02:46	khonkhortisan	woah the ui moved
02:46	khonkhortisan	there's a server list?!!!!
02:46	NekoGloop	le gasp
02:46	Kacey	ya
02:47	khonkhortisan	that's something pepÃ© le pew would say
02:49	* Kacey	is starting to love luacontrollers
02:49	khonkhortisan	3 segfaults to your server
02:50	Kacey	haha it happens
02:50	khonkhortisan	4
02:51	khonkhortisan	5
02:51	khonkhortisan	I don't think I can get in
02:51	Kacey	haha idk either
02:51	khonkhortisan	aah! singleplayer segfaults too
02:51	khonkhortisan	:(
02:52	Kacey	hmm...
02:52	Uberi\|Away	segfault or error?
02:52	khonkhortisan	the former
02:52	khonkhortisan	Segmentation fault
02:53	khonkhortisan	svn up'd irrlicht, compiling agian
02:55	* Kacey	gets up and dances
02:57	* Kacey	doesnt know how he will make a d-flop with luacontrollers
02:57	Kacey	im off to bed
02:57	Kacey	night all
02:57	khonkhortisan	I made something similar to a d-flop where the second wire turned the output off
02:58	* khonkhortisan	was too late
03:02	Uberi\|Away	if you want, tell kacey to use this: port.a = not pin.a
03:04	Uberi\|Away	well I'm outta here
03:04	Menche	servers.minetest.ru says my server is down
03:04	Menche	yet i am on it right now
03:05	Menche	is minetest-tan back yet?
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03:24	khonkhortisan	it segfaults in src/mesh.cpp generateTextureFromMesh
03:31	marktraceur	VanessaE: Ping, re: licensing of unified dyes
03:36	khonkhortisan	Conditional jump or move depends on uninitialised value
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03:46	khonkhortisan	BackupCoder, we know who you are
03:46	khonkhortisan	your cloak gives you away
03:46	NekoGloop	He isn't very well trying to hide, either.
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04:22	khonkhortisan	I know
04:26	khonkhortisan	ick, I downloaded a windows build.
04:26	khonkhortisan	Normally I can catch the os of the software I'm downloading
04:27	khonkhortisan	where is the windows minetest.conf?
04:28	khonkhortisan	nevermind
04:34	* OldCoder	back in a bit
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06:21	VanessaE	marktraceur: what about licensing?
06:22	VanessaE	"License: For the buckets of paint, cc-by-sa 3.0. For everything else, GPL."
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06:31	]DMackey[	Hey VanessaE
06:31	VanessaE	hey, long time no see
06:32	]DMackey[	LOL how in the hell ya been?
06:32	VanessaE	oh I've been fair to middlin
06:32	]DMackey[	Well thats better than BAD I guess. :)
06:32	marktraceur	VanessaE: "GPL" is ambiguous and your files have no license headers
06:33	VanessaE	ok, fixing that.
06:33	]DMackey[	Ya know how I call my Man cave the "Commodore Dungeon" ? WQQell I registered that domain name :)
06:33	VanessaE	nice
06:33	VanessaE	marktraceur: DMackey is someone I know from the C64 channels I used to hang out on.
06:33	]DMackey[	I need to install that Minetest one of these days..
06:33	marktraceur	Cool cool
06:34	]DMackey[	My Site : http://www.n2dvm.com/blog
06:34	VanessaE	marktraceur: I think it's sufficient to include a LICENSE file and put the declaration at the top of init.lua
06:34	]DMackey[	Just updated the blog the other day, did a case mod for a Comet modem
06:34	VanessaE	since that's the only actual code in the mod anyway
06:35	marktraceur	VanessaE: Then yes, it would be
06:35	]DMackey[	I wonder if Minetest could be installed on my Raspberry Pi
06:37	* hmmmm	[screams internally]
06:38	VanessaE	marktraceur: fixed in git.
06:38	VanessaE	hmmmm: now now. take a chill pill :-)
06:38	VanessaE	DM is quite new to this.
06:40	]DMackey[	heh yeah I am... hey I just escaped 8bit machines ya know
06:44	VanessaE	heh
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07:00	VanessaE	bedtime for me. DM, feel free to hang around. Most folks here are pretty easy-going.
07:00	VanessaE	but don't talk about C64 stuff here too much, lest you raise the ire of someone who has little patience for offtopic chat. :-)
07:00	VanessaE	night all.
07:01	]DMackey[	sweet, will do.
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09:12	xming	any reason why that Lua is chosen instead of LuaJIT?
09:38	thexyz	xming: iirc, LuaJIT is good for math
09:38	thexyz	lua mods usually do not do any [hardcore?] math
09:39	xming	luaJIT even without Jitting is faster than vanilla
09:40	xming	and with JIT, it's even faster
09:40	xming	math or not
10:02	thexyz	I tested it once with minetest
10:03	thexyz	profiler reported that luajit is slower
10:08	xming	weird :D
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11:38	celeron55	http://abstrusegoose.com/strips/ars_longa_vita_brevis.PNG
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11:59	whirm	celeron55: do you still want a new hosting?
12:00	thexyz	whirm: just FYI, we moved minetest forum to my server
12:03	celeron55	well, we need to find out where to host packages, now as github doesn't allow them anymore and the current host of minetest.net is too slow for them
12:04	whirm	celeron55: it was around 60~70GB/month right?
12:05	celeron55	dunno if i want to arrange that myself at all; but i think it isn't a very good idea to put all hosting burden on thexyz
12:05	celeron55	whirm: at the present rate, something like that
12:07	whirm	I can host those on one of my servers if you want
12:08	whirm	celeron55: what access type do you preffer? rscync, sftp, ftp?
12:10	celeron55	whatever hosting is taken, future integration of a mod database and possibly other things to the site should be taken into account
12:11	celeron55	because finding an another host for those is too much extra work
12:12	whirm	celeron55: isn't it better to just check out the mods from github for example?
12:14	celeron55	this isn't a discussion about whether it is needed; it's already planned in practice
12:14	xming	how much disk space is needed?
12:14	celeron55	probably not much; a larger issue is software support
12:14	xming	if not much I can host them if the traffic is < 100G/month
12:15	xming	I can even host at 2 locations (UK and BE)
12:15	celeron55	or, well... mods heavy on textures and sounds can be terribly large
12:16	celeron55	but don't ask me, i don't really know what it will or should be like, and won't be the one who makes it
12:16	celeron55	(most likely)
12:16	celeron55	the problem is, i don't know who knows either 8)
12:17	xming	well isn't torrenting an option?
12:19	celeron55	don't think so
12:20	xming	well sf.net is an option
12:22	celeron55	ideally, there would be a focused web developer willing to make, maintain and host a central open source web service for whatever minetest ends up finding useful
12:23	xming	like a mintest-forge?
12:23	celeron55	my butt feeling is that such could get enough donations (given that it asked them, and behaved in a way that the community likes) to cover a bit more than hosting costs
12:24	xming	one host is a single point of failure, sf.net has nice ditrubuted servers
12:24	celeron55	can you integrate an in-game mod manager with sf.net or github or so?
12:24	xming	IIRC sf.net give you ability to host webapps
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12:25	xming	so via RPC/SOAP/ReST
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12:25	celeron55	that could be a thing to research a bit more
12:26	celeron55	personally, i don't really like sf.net - the ads all over it makes it just awul
12:26	celeron55	but i guess that is what it takes to run such a free thing
12:26	xming	and it can be slow at times :D
12:27	xming	but the ads are just on their "standard" pages
12:27	xming	I don't think I ever saw ads on the hosted webapps
12:27	celeron55	i wonder if somebody more involved with sf.net would be interested to discuss such stuff in here
12:28	celeron55	i repeat, though: i'm just poking stuff here in order to see if something useful emerges
12:28	xming	I have participate some proj. on sf
12:28	celeron55	not going to do anything :D
12:29	celeron55	(because of other projects)
12:29	xming	if you want I can do some research when I have time
12:30	xming	other possibility so to push mod binaries (zip/tar/..) into git and host on github
12:30	xming	but github has 300MB sof limit
12:30	whirm	I could provide a VPS, depending on the traffic and CPU/ram consumption
12:31	xming	https://bitbucket.org/ offers are better than github
12:31	celeron55	i currently can pay something like $50-100 per year (from donations), if that makes any difference
12:32	xming	doing hosting on ones own requires more than just one host
12:32	whirm	xming, celeron55: If you are interested in a p2p solution for distribuiting mods, we are developing a content distribuition system that I think it would be ideal for this here at the TUDelft
12:32	xming	we don't want single point of failure
12:32	celeron55	whirm: is it open source, free and cross-platform?
12:33	whirm	yup
12:33	xming	is it in lua?
12:33	whirm	c++
12:33	xming	that sounds really nice
12:34	whirm	and its quite lightweight
12:34	celeron55	do you have a link or something?
12:34	whirm	http://libswift.org/
12:35	whirm	I don't know if it's up to date tough
12:35	whirm	if you are interested I can ask for recent papers to the developers here
12:37	xming	any apps built with swift?
12:38	whirm	there's Tribler and Android
12:38	whirm	's tribler mobile
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12:38	whirm	which allows you to do real time p2p video streaming
12:38	whirm	directly from the phone
12:38	xming	this one? http://www.tribler.org/trac
12:39	whirm	and there's some smart TV's with swift builtin
12:39	whirm	but I don't have much info on this, I could ask
12:39	celeron55	you could throw the link on #minetest-dev with a note of what it could be useful for and what problems it could solve
12:39	whirm	xming: yes, but the trac/wiki are rotting we are moving to github in a couple of months
12:40	xming	git repo here https://github.com/triblerteam/libswift
12:47	xming	okay, I am trying to setup a minetest server 24/7
12:47	xming	What gametypes/mods should be used?
12:48	xming	I am totally new, so I don't know what's fun, stable and what's not
12:48	whirm	ok, done
12:51	xming	is the vanilla game attractive enough?
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13:03	celeron55	xming: not that much - to figure out what to try, it's probably easiest to take a quick look on the forum
13:05	xming	celeron55: few things that I am afraid of, compatibility of all those mods interacting, and compatibility with future minetest
13:05	xming	or is the lua API "stable" enough for that?
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13:08	celeron55	also, if you install a lot of content on it: minetest's udp stack performs poorly transferring a lot of bulk stuff, so you'll want to copy the mod content on a http server and set up... eh, how on earth is this so hard to find
13:09	celeron55	i wonder how anyone's going to configure a server with this documentation 8D
13:09	xming	:D
13:09	xming	celeron55: is it possible to have a in game redirect
13:09	celeron55	who the HELL left out remote_media from minetest.conf.example
13:09	xming	UT has that for large transfers over http
13:10	xming	Oh there is one?
13:10	celeron55	thexyz: fix the documentation, even i can't figure out how this is supposed to be used
13:11	celeron55	xming: yes, there exists a configuration variable called remote_media, that is supposed to have a HTTP base URL and contain the media, to speed up transfers much from what minetest otherwise does
13:11	celeron55	but i can't find the specifics
13:12	xming	hehe
13:12	xming	is there a roadmap of some sort of MT?
13:12	celeron55	and i was going to write a small HTTP server to minetest to allow easy speedup but... ehm, well, some day!
13:13	xming	celeron55: why not take some existing ones?
13:13	celeron55	xming: no, at this time i can't even pretend to have one
13:13	xming	or fix the UDP stack :p
13:14	celeron55	well, it really depends on whether somebody gets to doing something (of reasonable quality)
13:15	celeron55	fixing the udp stack? well, you're free to try 8)
13:17	celeron55	so far nobody hasn't got the knowledge and balls to try
13:18	celeron55	i'd prefer converting the whole thing over TCP, but at least the bulk world data transfer depends on the capability of the UDP stack to report it's congestion status
13:18	celeron55	so it's not trivial
13:21	celeron55	doable it is, of course; it just requires someone to take the goal of reshaping all needed things until it works well
13:23	celeron55	there is also a scary amount of related unfinished work, but nobody will care about those if somebody fixes the stack once and for all
13:23	celeron55	8)
13:24	* celeron55	thinks he might sound quite demotivational
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13:26	xming	idd :D
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13:39	thexyz	wtf, isn't it obvious?
13:39	thexyz	I have no idea what to document here
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13:44	celeron55	thexyz: there should be a comment in minetest.conf.example
13:44	thexyz	# Specifies URL from which media would be fetched instead of fetching it via UDP
13:44	thexyz	# $filename should be accessible from $remote_media$filename via cURL
13:44	thexyz	# Files that are not present would be fetched the usual way
13:44	thexyz	is it fine?
13:45	celeron55	hmm, maybe state that it is a server-side seting, and the client will fetch media from there
13:45	celeron55	+t
13:46	celeron55	well, the first should be obvious of it being in the bottom part
13:46	thexyz	it already belongs to ># Server stuff
13:46	xming	how is the client requesting the media? does it do mod/<modname>/<somefile>.lua texture/mytex/sometex
13:47	celeron55	"Specifies URL from which client fetches media instead of using UDP"
13:47	xming	or just expecting everything in $remote_media/root
13:47	celeron55	$filename means no subdirectories; it's the same as for texture packs 8)
13:48	celeron55	...probably worth mentioning
13:48	xming	so I can't just make games and mods dirs http accessible
13:48	xming	I will have to flatten them?
13:49	thexyz	yes
13:49	thexyz	it works the same way as UDP does
13:49	celeron55	minetest handles all media as flat files without any path/origin information
13:49	thexyz	UDP-fetching
13:49	thexyz	except that in latter case minetest manages all paths
13:50	celeron55	it was chosen for simplicity of using stuff from other mods, which is done somewhat extensively for textures
13:50	celeron55	and sounds, and... everything
13:51	celeron55	there should be a tool for making a flat version of a server's media i guess... or just have an in-built http server
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13:52	xming	so mod devs need to be careful of name clashes
13:52	celeron55	it's easy - just prefix everything with "$modname_"
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13:53	xming	I can make a shell script to ln -s whole games and mods dirs
13:54	xming	I guess I onlt need textures and sounds sub dirs
13:55	thexyz	http://bpaste.net/show/75707/
13:56	celeron55	xming: there are three subdirs: textures, sounds and media (that are completely interchangeable though)
13:56	celeron55	thexyz: good
13:57	celeron55	xming: server admins should generally read the things at the beginning of the almighty lua_api.txt: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt
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14:01	celeron55	xming: so, if you read it, you will also notice that modpacks are possible, which will complicate your script 8)
14:01	celeron55	(they are easy to detect though)
14:02	STHGOM	celeron55: can minetest have blocks rotate 45 degrees if no other blacks are close?
14:03	STHGOM	*blocks
14:09	STHGOM	anyone else who knows can answer too
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14:10	celeron55	not "natively"
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14:10	STHGOM	does that mean you have to mod it?
14:10	Kacey	msg nickserv identify minetest
14:10	celeron55	if you write a mod, you can probably emulate it a bit with nodeboxes or entities or so
14:10	Kacey	ignore taht
14:10	STHGOM	ok
14:10	Kacey	that
14:10	celeron55	Kacey: 8D
14:11	STHGOM	:D
14:11	Kacey	changing password
14:11	celeron55	nice password
14:11	thexyz	secure!
14:11	whirm	haha
14:11	STHGOM	:D
14:11	celeron55	well, i have done that too, in screenshots, twice in a row
14:11	Kacey	switching to my ultra secure one
14:12	celeron55	never use any secure passwords in freenode
14:12	thexyz	well, at least, you didn't copypaste it into wiki page like c55 did
14:12	celeron55	everyone will just leak them by their own stupidity anyways
14:12	STHGOM	haha
14:12	STHGOM	i donthave a password
14:12	STHGOM	how do you get one?
14:12	thexyz	I hope my bouncer is smart enough to not leak my password, but who knows..
14:13	celeron55	STHGOM: you can register a nick; then you have a password
14:13	thexyz	STHGOM: /msg NickServ help
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14:14	Kacey	...
14:14	Kacey	stupid nickserv
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14:14	thexyz	of course it's nickserv's fault
14:14	STHGOM	are you guys seeing this/
14:14	thexyz	STHGOM: no, we don't
14:14	STHGOM	ok good
14:15	STHGOM	ohh well i cant register because i dont have -mail
14:15	Kacey	aah password changed
14:16	Kacey	stupid / key giving away my passwords
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14:30	Kacey	i made a d-flop with an lua controller
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14:44	Deivan	Hello. Someone know the cause of messages "Could not open file of texture" in the terminal?
14:45	Kacey	i usually just ignore those...
14:45	Deivan	I have to many of this...
14:45	Deivan	Ok, thank.
14:45	Deivan	thanks
14:45	Kacey	no problem
14:46	Kacey	i also get texture format not supported (or unsupported texture format whatever) and a few others
14:56	Deivan	How I set the respaw place?
14:56	Kacey	idk
14:58	Deivan	idk is a command?
15:16	marktraceur	Deivan: it's in the conf file.
15:23	marktraceur	VanessaE: Not that this is a problem, but your init.lua header says "at your option, any later version", is that your intent?
15:24	marktraceur	(your forum post says 2.0 and not 2+, or 2 or later, which is generally the way to specify)
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15:59	PilzAdam	Hello everyone!
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16:37	rubenwardy	hi all
16:40	* Jordach	will be permanently upgrading to Linux next year
16:40	Jordach	...when XP runs out of support
16:40	rubenwardy	What do you think of these icons? http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=68838#p68838
16:41	khonkhortisan	I'm running xyz's latest build and I don't have noclip
16:42	PilzAdam	Jordach, wich distro?
16:42	PilzAdam	khonkhortisan, /grant singleplayer noclip and then press H
16:42	khonkhortisan	there's a button for that?
16:43	PilzAdam	sure, see key config menu
16:44	khonkhortisan	Toggle fly and Toggle noclip are both H :)
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16:45	khonkhortisan	Does anyone else think the key config should be accessible without leaving a server?
16:45	VanessaE	marktraceur: fixed in the forum post, "2.0 and up".
16:49	markveidemanis	Hi
16:51	rubenwardy	brb
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16:53	markveidemanis	Hi
16:54	markveidemanis	i need a HTML editor for linux
16:54	khonkhortisan	You have your ip, then your cloak, then your ip again when you join
16:54	PilzAdam	markveidemanis, vi,
16:54	PilzAdam	*vim
16:55	khonkhortisan	vim, kate, gedit, emacs, kwrite, and more!
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16:55	PilzAdam	the problem with kate and kwrite is that you need an Xserver
16:55	PilzAdam	so vim is the best solution here :-)
16:55	khonkhortisan	I always have an Xserver, but not always kde
16:56	khonkhortisan	Is there something other than X and text?
16:56	mauvebic	i hear emacs is a pretty decent distribution that apparently supports text editing
16:56	khonkhortisan	and it comes with games!
16:57	mauvebic	is it just me, or does freetuxtv only have 2-3 worthwhile channels that work? lol
16:57	Jordach	PilzAdam, probably xubuntu
16:58	* VanessaE	wanders off again.
16:58	* Jordach	pokes VanessaE before she can leave
16:58	markveidemanis	i need a link for vim for linux
16:59	* rubenwardy	is compiling https://github.com/Jeija/minetest/tree/shader_playground
16:59	khonkhortisan	I just lost at "Gomoku"
17:00	khonkhortisan	It refuses to quit if it's asking me to play another game. When I poke at it some more, it calls me chicken
17:01	markveidemanis	Help...
17:01	markveidemanis	i need one that i can sudo apt-get install
17:01	markveidemanis	dont want to compile
17:01	khonkhortisan	which linux?
17:01	markveidemanis	lubuntu
17:01	markveidemanis	so deb installer
17:03	Jordach	khonkhortisan, who was that aimed at
17:03	khonkhortisan	the which linux or the gomoku?
17:04	khonkhortisan	gomoku is one of the emacs games
17:04	Jordach	PilzAdam, i will be switching to xubuntu xx.xx since i dont know the numbers for next year :O
17:04	markveidemanis	i need a HTML editor to make a webpage for my server
17:04	markveidemanis	if that helps...
17:04	khonkhortisan	I'd be suprised if vim wasn't already in the repos
17:05	markveidemanis	Hmm...
17:05	Jordach	ugh. vim.
17:05	Jordach	i prefer code::blocks
17:05	mauvebic	the new kde actually looks not bad
17:05	Jordach	unlike gnome
17:05	Jordach	:D
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17:05	mauvebic	whats gnome?
17:05	mauvebic	:p
17:06	mauvebic	gnome is like the fischer price of DE's now lol
17:06	khonkhortisan	gnome is at the same level as kde, lxde, E, fvwm, twm, etc.
17:06	Exio	markveidemanis: sudo apt-get install vim
17:06	khonkhortisan	I like gnome's green menu tint
17:06	Exio	start it
17:06	markveidemanis	si have vim
17:06	Exio	??
17:06	Exio	profit!
17:06	markveidemanis	i typed vim in the console
17:06	markveidemanis	looks like shit
17:07	khonkhortisan	press i?
17:07	Exio	hahahahaha
17:07	Exio	run vimtutor
17:07	mauvebic	here's a head-scratcher, are there any binvox to text or binvox to MT converters out there?
17:07	nyuszika7h	hai
17:08	markveidemanis	I need a GUI
17:08	markveidemanis	and similar to Dreamweaver
17:08	markveidemanis	and im afk now
17:08	nyuszika7h	markveidemanis: Dreamweaver? are you kidding me?
17:08	khonkhortisan	http://www.osalt.com/dreamweaver
17:09	mauvebic	i was able to convert a scale model of Kahn's ship but i cant do much with the binvox or MC schematic that came of it :p
17:09	nyuszika7h	WYSIWYG editors might be easy but they suck
17:09	nyuszika7h	btw, there is gvim
17:09	nyuszika7h	it looks nice with Solarized Dark and DejaVu Sans Mono
17:10	nyuszika7h	Jordach: Ubuntu's versions are always <year>.04 for LTS, <year>.10 for non-LTS
17:10	nyuszika7h	13.04, 13.10, 14.04, 14.10 and so on
17:10	marktraceur	VanessaE: Thanks so much
17:10	VanessaE	marktraceur: no prob.
17:11	khonkhortisan	gvim will make vim much easier for me to use
17:11	VanessaE	in effect, it's whatever version of GPL is compatible with MT source license, since UD borrows a couple of things from it.
17:11	nyuszika7h	and if that's not enough
17:11	nyuszika7h	gvim -y
17:11	nyuszika7h	"easy" mode
17:11	nyuszika7h	normal mode is hidden under Ctrl-L
17:12	khonkhortisan	what's the difference?
17:12	khonkhortisan	ick, no dd
17:12	nyuszika7h	gvim -y = default to insert mode
17:12	nyuszika7h	Ctrl-L to go to noormal mode
17:13	nyuszika7h	* normal
17:13	khonkhortisan	killing is faster
17:15	nyuszika7h	khonkhortisan: Ctrl-L :q!
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17:21	thexyz	wow, it's even harder to close than vim without "easy mode"
17:21	khonkhortisan	:set spell is much less annoying in gvim than in vim
17:21	khonkhortisan	<esc> :q!
17:22	nyuszika7h	thexyz: if you're running it on the console, ges
17:22	nyuszika7h	yes
17:23	nyuszika7h	if you use gvim with X, just alt+f4 or press the X button
17:23	khonkhortisan	or File -> Exit
17:23	khonkhortisan	alt-f up up enter
17:25	YuGiOhJCJ	hello, when I install the game from the source code, I use the "$ make install DESTDIR=/tmp/minetest" command, but the prefix is "/usr/local" instead of "/usr"... How to configure this please ?
17:27	berome	hello YuGiOhJCJ :
17:27	Jordach	rubenwardy, i created that repo as a means to teach people basic c++
17:27	rubenwardy	ah
17:27	rubenwardy	:D
17:27	Jordach	my sixth form mates SUCK at c++
17:28	berome	YuGiOhJCJ: try to find something in make --help ?
17:28	Jordach	rubenwardy, also: goto <xyz>; is evil if you dont know what youre doing
17:28	nyuszika7h	YuGiOhJCJ: first, do you have any reason to install to /usr? /usr is meant to contain things installed by package management
17:28	berome	thanks ^
17:28	nyuszika7h	/usr/local is the standard location for compiled things, afaik
17:28	rubenwardy	ok
17:28	YuGiOhJCJ	yes the reason is I create a package for my distro :)
17:28	nyuszika7h	ah
17:29	nyuszika7h	if you need to run configure, ./configure --prefix=/usr
17:29	YuGiOhJCJ	in general, I use "./configure --prefix=/usr", but there is no configure script here...
17:29	nyuszika7h	else you can try make prefix=/usr
17:29	nyuszika7h	or PREFIX=/usr
17:30	YuGiOhJCJ	I will try this thank you ;)
17:30	nyuszika7h	YuGiOhJCJ: wait
17:30	nyuszika7h	you should probably use cmake
17:31	nyuszika7h	cmake . -DPREFIX=/usr -DDESTDIR=/tmp/minetest (not sure if -DDESTDIR works, check CMakeLists.txt)
17:31	thexyz	Jordach: yes, never goto me
17:31	nyuszika7h	then make, and checkinstall -- make install, or whatever you use for making packages
17:32	YuGiOhJCJ	ah I find an other way : edit the "CMakeCache.txt" file and replace the line "CMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX:PATH=/usr/local" by "CMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX:PATH=/usr"
17:33	nyuszika7h	-DPREFIX should work, but that works too, I guess
17:33	nyuszika7h	just make sure to replace all /usr/local with /usr
17:34	nyuszika7h	(except if you have some libs in /usr/local on your system)
17:35	Jordach	thexyz, goto your_asshole;
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17:48	mauvebic	pacman wants me to update pacman (http://data.whicdn.com/images/38600179/5fd68d2c8b25d7126df6f94833d893d5.600x400_large.nopad)
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17:56	mauvebic	import numpy as np
17:56	mauvebic	ImportError: No module named numpy
17:56	mauvebic	<- numpy is installed :/
17:58	mauvebic	ugh doing anything in python is such a PITA lol
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18:05	Jordach	lol: python
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18:09	mauvebic	seriously i waste twice as much time figuring out imports and modules and version resolution than actually writing code in python
18:13	mauvebic	ugh, "cannot send to channel" (#python, #archlinux lol)
18:13	markveidemanis	i need a wysiwyg HTML editor
18:13	khonkhortisan	markveidemanis, http://www.osalt.com/dreamweaver
18:16	YuGiOhJCJ	I see we can find apples to heal... Is there an other way to heal ?
18:17	khonkhortisan	there's a food mod
18:17	khonkhortisan	you can make bread or pie
18:17	khonkhortisan	The way to have a 100% chance of having an apple tree is to keep planting it until it is
18:18	YuGiOhJCJ	I mean... The life doesn't increase with the time ?
18:18	khonkhortisan	nope
18:18	YuGiOhJCJ	ok I have only 1 heart now ^^
18:18	khonkhortisan	minetest is more about building than accurate health stats
18:18	khonkhortisan	if you can quickly return to where you are, dying is a good way to restore health
18:18	YuGiOhJCJ	hmmm I think I will die :)
18:23	khonkhortisan	tree trunk is the easiest thing to build out of, and the easiest to destroy.
18:23	markveidemanis	i need a WYSIWYG HTML editor...that works!
18:24	khonkhortisan	which one?
18:24	khonkhortisan	oh.
18:26	markveidemanis	not a web browser like some of them are
18:26	markveidemanis	I just need to make a simple webpage
18:27	khonkhortisan	how simple?
18:27	markveidemanis	so HTML,CSS, add links, text and pics thats all
18:27	markveidemanis	Buttons: link,add_image,Font
18:27	markveidemanis	if thats possible...
18:28	markveidemanis	or just close to that, anything that works will do
18:28	khonkhortisan	might need javascript to change the font
18:28	markveidemanis	nop, CSS
18:28	markveidemanis	This is my first webpage im not going to do javascript :D
18:28	YuGiOhJCJ	is there a way to plant a tree in minetest ? (it's bad to destroy trees around my house)
18:29	khonkhortisan	if you've not used a wysiwyg editor I'd recommend a text editor
18:29	Jordach	YuGiOhJCJ, saplings from punching tree leaves
18:29	mauvebic	heres' the fix : #!/usr/bin/env python2.7 lol
18:29	khonkhortisan	dig the trunk only. Wait for saplings. Place sapling where the trunk was. Repeat.
18:29	khonkhortisan	That's wood/sapling farming, no leaves taken.
18:30	markveidemanis	i need wysiwyg
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18:30	markveidemanis	what server are you on, YuGiOhJCJ
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18:31	YuGiOhJCJ	it's a local server
18:32	markveidemanis	Want to come on mine?
18:32	markveidemanis	And survive together?
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18:33	markveidemanis	Me too
18:34	khonkhortisan	there's a pseudocode language that actually works
18:34	khonkhortisan	I would hate that, no control whatsoever
18:34	marktraceur	john_minetest: AmbiguityError: "better" has too many meanings
18:35	khonkhortisan	the program has the liberty to decide
18:35	khonkhortisan	You know minetest is slow when your mouse escapes
18:36	rubenwardy\|away	brb. Having dinner/tea/supper
18:36	marktraceur	john_minetest: Result, nethack.
18:37	khonkhortisan	crawl is better than nethack in you have to bleed from your injuries to die
18:38	khonkhortisan	My brother graduated from nethack and I told him that because he won, he doesn't have to play anymore
18:38	khonkhortisan	so he's playing a different roguelike
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18:51	mauvebic	AttributeError: 'str' object has no attribute 'readline'
18:51	mauvebic	:/
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18:54	khonkhortisan	why does minetest_game not have a game.conf?
18:57	mauvebic	oh thank god i can finally read and convert binvox files lol gone drinkin'
18:57	khonkhortisan	ln -s /usr/share/minetest/games ~/.minetest/games; ln -s ~/src/minetest/games/minetest_game /usr/share/minetest/games/
19:00	khonkhortisan	my installed minetest doesn't even have a create_detached_inventory
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19:03	Jordach	khonkhortisan, you really need to start compiling yourself
19:04	khonkhortisan	I need to have the compile stop breaking when I don't do it for a while
19:12	khonkhortisan	I have a diode with off going in and on going out. What do I do when mesecons gets lazy?
19:21	khonkhortisan	It makes one of the lights go back on after I press the reset button
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19:30	khonkhortisan	After going through two revisions of irrlicht svn and wine and installed versions of minetest, and linking minetest_game around, it was as simple as updating irrlicht to 1.8.
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19:33	khonkhortisan	But the bottom-left, where it draws the nodes it loads, is also being used for drawing the view! http://postimage.org/image/bvwfz0ky3/
19:34	khonkhortisan	I have to resize the window to get the view to match it
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19:52	rubenwardy	khonkhortisan: oh dear :P
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19:53	rubenwardy	bye all
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20:17	markveidemanis	Hi!"'~)-)7^5
20:17	khonkhortisan	looks like your message was encoded differently
20:17	markveidemanis	sfan5
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20:18	markveidemanis	why can't i use minetest-tan to encode with Base64 anymore?
20:18	markveidemanis	i know there was a command
20:18	markveidemanis	!b64e <message>
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20:18	babyface1031	does anyone know what mod hardwood floors are in?
20:18	markveidemanis	Building_blovks
20:18	markveidemanis	blocks
20:19	babyface1031	ok ty cause onse they are placed we cant remove them
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20:19	KikaRz	Hi!
20:19	markveidemanis	HI!
20:19	markveidemanis	Come on my serveer
20:19	khonkhortisan	I dare y'all to play like this http://postimage.org/image/bvwfz0ky3/
20:19	KikaRz	No.
20:19	KikaRz	:D
20:20	KikaRz	That's the best... i'm not going to your server!
20:20	markveidemanis	Why??!!??!?!?!?!!&^%
20:20	KikaRz	Guys, any news to minetest?
20:20	markveidemanis	Theres a language update
20:20	khonkhortisan	there's a noclip toggle button
20:20	KikaRz	Because i'm not a girl with FREEDOM!
20:20	khonkhortisan	and a server list
20:20	KikaRz	I know markveidemanis
20:20	KikaRz	i did one translate
20:20	KikaRz	to the game
20:20	KikaRz	khonkhortisan, i know -.-
20:20	KikaRz	that are old news.
20:20	markveidemanis	https://github.com/celeron55?tab=repositories
20:21	KikaRz	there are any news since 3 Feb?
20:21	KikaRz	thexyz
20:21	KikaRz	are you therE?
20:21	markveidemanis	thexyz
20:22	markveidemanis	he has sabotages my server
20:22	KikaRz	thexyz ?
20:22	markveidemanis	http://servers.minetest.ru/
20:22	markveidemanis	click on my link
20:22	markveidemanis	some spanish bullshit
20:22	KikaRz	markveidemanis, shut up.
20:22	markveidemanis	No.
20:23	khonkhortisan	are you in the client's server list?
20:23	KikaRz	No.
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20:23	khonkhortisan	marktwain?
20:23	markveidemanis	Yop
20:24	khonkhortisan	that's in the client's server list
20:24	markveidemanis	Forum 395
20:24	KikaRz	I need to talk with thexyz!\|
20:24	KikaRz	urgently!
20:24	Jordach	KikaRz, could you pm me the problem?
20:24	KikaRz	Not your problem
20:24	KikaRz	Translating system
20:24	markveidemanis	theres a difference between: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=395
20:24	Jordach	alright.
20:24	markveidemanis	and:
20:24	KikaRz	i want to translate one language
20:24	markveidemanis	http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3954
20:25	Jordach	KikaRz, which one is it?
20:25	KikaRz	Portuguese.
20:25	markveidemanis	forgot the '4'
20:25	KikaRz	I want to be the responsible
20:25	khonkhortisan	lol
20:25	KikaRz	per portuguese
20:25	Jordach	KikaRz, may have already been commited
20:25	KikaRz	yea.
20:25	KikaRz	its already
20:25	KikaRz	but its clear
20:25	KikaRz	i want to translate it
20:25	Jordach	https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/commit/6424c5b69809ad4799c08e93dd8cbdb13547da1c
20:25	KikaRz	i need to commit?
20:25	KikaRz	how i do that? o_o'
20:25	PilzAdam	KikaRz, http://translate.minetest.ru/projects/minetest/core/
20:26	Jordach	nono, the portuguese is already done
20:26	KikaRz	already done what?
20:26	PilzAdam	^ go there, sign up and translate
20:26	Jordach	KikaRz, more importantly: http://translate.minetest.ru/projects/minetest/core/pt/
20:26	KikaRz	i'm going to translate whole thing
20:26	markveidemanis	http://www.quackit.com/html/templates/simple_website_templates.cfm <==cool site
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20:26	markveidemanis	Like this?: http://www.quackit.com/html/templates/download/bryantsmith/afarewelltocolor/
20:29	KikaRz	There is currently no active translator for this translation, please consider becoming a translator as your suggestion might otherwise remain unreviewed.
20:29	KikaRz	'-'
20:29	KikaRz	Ok! I'll be the translator myself.
20:31	KikaRz	Wow... translating ! so cool!
20:32	sfan5	markveidemanis: what?
20:33	KikaRz	sfan5, why this appears? Some checks have failed on your translation!
20:33	KikaRz	Warning: I'm not using google translator.
20:34	Jordach	VanessaE, heres the female: http://i.imgur.com/qRAlmeR.png
20:34	PilzAdam	KikaRz, the warnings were about trailing spaces, I fixed them
20:35	KikaRz	yea
20:35	KikaRz	its that
20:35	Jordach	also: update mine please: http://i.imgur.com/mlV0q5E.png
20:35	VanessaE	Jordach: it...needs work.
20:35	Jordach	VanessaE, feel free to fix it
20:35	VanessaE	busy fixing mapgen griefing at the moment.
20:36	Jordach	ugh. it takes five seconds
20:36	khonkhortisan	nice, github has a delete branch button after a pull request merge
20:37	PilzAdam	khonkhortisan, too lazzy to type "git push origin :branch"?
20:37	khonkhortisan	no, I was reading the page and saw this big button
20:37	VanessaE	Jordach: updated.
20:37	khonkhortisan	git push origin :branch;git -D branch
20:37	VanessaE	it'll take effect at the next restart.
20:38	KikaRz	Really? -.-
20:38	KikaRz	Chat = Chat...
20:38	KikaRz	duh.
20:38	KikaRz	what a stupid thing
20:39	VanessaE	Jordach: expect lag. Worldedit running.
20:39	KikaRz	i can't leave Chat.
20:39	KikaRz	-.-
20:39	KikaRz	so... i'll put what?
20:39	KikaRz	if I put Bate-Papo = Brazilian
20:39	Jordach	VanessaE, oh shit
20:40	Jordach	a liquid update happened and lava went everywhere
20:40	VanessaE	celeron55, hmmmm: there needs to be something added to the engine right away to gracefully handle map loading errors - invalid data should not cause the engine to abort - there needs to be a way to force it to load and fix the errors (just telling the engine to ignore load errors via the command line switch is a recipe for disaster.
20:40	hmmmm	well what sort of map loading errors are you having..
20:40	hmmmm	if you're having a loading error, then that's an error and chances are that a lot more things went wrong than that.
20:41	VanessaE	hmmmm: I'll get the real error msg later, but it was something about invalid data
20:41	KikaRz	what Print Stacks does?
20:41	hmmmm	i would have to say that the way the engine handles it is perfectly fine.
20:41	hmmmm	what needs to be fixed, however, is the invalid data error.
20:41	KikaRz	VanessaE
20:41	KikaRz	what Print Stacks does?
20:41	KikaRz	'-'
20:41	PilzAdam	KikaRz, stack is a technical term
20:41	VanessaE	KikaRz: I don't know.
20:41	KikaRz	'-'
20:41	PilzAdam	just translate "print"
20:41	KikaRz	so, why it's there?
20:41	KikaRz	Print = Imprimir
20:42	KikaRz	stacks = montes.
20:42	KikaRz	pilha*
20:42	Jordach	VanessaE, ignore_world_load_errors = false
20:42	PilzAdam	KikaRz, just do "Imprimir stack"
20:42	KikaRz	lol
20:42	VanessaE	Jordach: that defaults to false already.
20:42	KikaRz	ok
20:42	VanessaE	I had to set it to true earlier to get around one such error
20:43	Jordach	set it to true and it will ignore errors
20:43	VanessaE	I know that.
20:43	VanessaE	I already have it set to true because I had one such load error.
20:43	VanessaE	I'm about to try to reproduce the error now, without that setting in place.
20:43	PilzAdam	KikaRz, 26% done, keep going
20:44	KikaRz	lol
20:44	KikaRz	ok
20:44	KikaRz	53/173
20:44	VanessaE	ok, server's back up, with that option disabled. If it errors out, I'll paste it here.
20:44	VanessaE	(it was only one line if I recall)
20:44	KikaRz	Address got a lot of translatings...
20:44	KikaRz	should i put EndereÃ§o or IP?
20:45	PilzAdam	not IP
20:45	KikaRz	i guess i'm going to put EndereÃ§o
20:46	khonkhortisan	interneto protocolo
20:46	KikaRz	?
20:46	KikaRz	o_o'
20:46	khonkhortisan	espaÃ±ol for those who don't know it
20:47	VanessaE	IP in spanish? whatever "Address" translates to then.
20:47	VanessaE	sounds right to me anyway
20:47	* Jordach	wonders where VanessaE's server us
20:47	Jordach	is*
20:47	KikaRz	lets see...
20:47	VanessaE	Jordach: worldedit, //fixlight.
20:47	VanessaE	and it's in the US fwiw.
20:47	KikaRz	Mip-Mapping
20:47	KikaRz	what i put here?
20:47	* Jordach	rolls eyes
20:47	VanessaE	in fact, it's about 1 meter to my right, on this table.
20:47	PilzAdam	KikaRz, Mip-Mapping
20:47	KikaRz	there isnt a specific translation
20:47	KikaRz	To reach 100%... ill put Mip Mapping
20:47	KikaRz	e_e'
20:47	khonkhortisan	but a meter isn't in the virtual dimension
20:48	PilzAdam	KikaRz, and remove the warning after that
20:48	PilzAdam	also: https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mipmap
20:48	khonkhortisan	I have a last known address for her server
20:48	VanessaE	khonkhortisan: vanessae.mine.bz:30000
20:48	KikaRz	This is not Spanish
20:48	KikaRz	this is portuguese.
20:48	khonkhortisan	which I should update
20:48	VanessaE	that's the permanent address for it.
20:48	khonkhortisan	I still have the ip one
20:48	VanessaE	it's in the regular server list I believe.
20:49	PilzAdam	KikaRz, but as you can see its Mip-Mapping in every language
20:49	khonkhortisan	just like Paris is still Paris
20:49	KikaRz	but that will make influence in the 100% translating?
20:49	KikaRz	:c
20:50	KikaRz	i want 100% translated.
20:50	KikaRz	e_e'
20:51	Jordach	VanessaE, oh and access violation
20:51	PilzAdam	KikaRz, if you remove the warning "Untranslated String" you will reach 100%
20:51	VanessaE	Jordach: can't do much about that - that's client-side.
20:52	KikaRz	ok
20:52	KikaRz	Oh
20:52	KikaRz	thanks
20:53	KikaRz	the Portuguese got BIIIIG strings...
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20:54	PilzAdam	KikaRz, be sure to make them not too long, so they are shown correctly in the GUI
20:54	KikaRz	:s
20:54	KikaRz	i'll revise next
20:55	KikaRz	?
20:55	KikaRz	pirate language?
20:55	KikaRz	'-'
20:56	marktraceur	john_minetest: ASCII?
20:57	KikaRz	lol?
20:57	KikaRz	prn language? e_E'
20:58	PilzAdam	nnnnnooooo iiiiitttttsssss lllllooooolllll
20:58	KikaRz	Now...
20:58	KikaRz	lets seeeeeeeeeeeeee
20:58	KikaRz	XXXXXX BUTTON 111111
20:58	KikaRz	whats this?
20:58	jin_xi	PilzAdam: only 5 t's
20:58	KikaRz	huh?
20:58	* jin_xi	fails at counting
20:59	PilzAdam	KikaRz, if any of the key names isnt translateable then just leave it english
20:59	KikaRz	well...
20:59	KikaRz	why did you created
20:59	KikaRz	those...
20:59	marktraceur	Binary ASCII. 8 characters per one english character.
20:59	KikaRz	stupid african... amazonical keys?
21:00	PilzAdam	there are really exotic keyboards out there :-)
21:00	KikaRz	or that
21:00	KikaRz	so...
21:00	khonkhortisan	×©×“×’×œ×—×”×¤×¢××Ÿ×’×™'×ž×©
21:00	KikaRz	why do they need that?
21:00	KikaRz	-.-
21:00	KikaRz	stupid keys.
21:00	khonkhortisan	ÑÐ°Ð´Ð»ÐºÑ…Ð±Ð¿ÐµÐ½Ñ‡Ñ
21:00	KikaRz	khonkhortisan, press key Kana.
21:00	PilzAdam	marktraceur, you mean latin character?
21:01	khonkhortisan	â£€â ¡â ”â ‰â Šâ ‘â£‰
21:01	KikaRz	and press Capital.
21:01	khonkhortisan	what's Kana?
21:01	KikaRz	what's Kana?
21:02	PilzAdam	gtg now; bye
21:03	KikaRz	Omg.
21:03	KikaRz	can't i just change
21:03	KikaRz	Junja to Janju?
21:03	KikaRz	or to Jinja?
21:03	KikaRz	e_e'
21:03	khonkhortisan	my japanese layout doesn't work
21:03	KikaRz	funny
21:04	KikaRz	what's Mode Change for?
21:04	KikaRz	o.o
21:04	khonkhortisan	ãƒ„ is not to be confused with ã‚·
21:05	KikaRz	ã‚·
21:05	KikaRz	and what is ã‚· and ãƒ„ ?
21:05	khonkhortisan	Tsu (kana) and Shi (kana)
21:05	KikaRz	...
21:05	KikaRz	stupid
21:05	khonkhortisan	I said that backwards, it's Shi and Tsu
21:06	Kray	ã‚ãˆã„ãŠã†
21:07	KikaRz	fuck...
21:07	KikaRz	now i'll need to translate
21:07	KikaRz	Numpad 1
21:07	KikaRz	Numpad 2...
21:07	KikaRz	well... just typing the same
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21:09	KikaRz	Attn = ?
21:10	KikaRz	CrSel?
21:10	KikaRz	Erase OEF?
21:10	KikaRz	omg...
21:10	KikaRz	what stupid strange keys.
21:12	KikaRz	DONE!
21:14	jin_xi	RealBadAngel: you here?
21:15	KikaRz	Ok!
21:15	KikaRz	Translated 100% Spanish and Portuguese!
21:15	KikaRz	I translated whole Portuguese
21:15	KikaRz	and finished 2 strings from Spanish
21:16	KikaRz	if you see here...
21:16	KikaRz	http://translate.minetest.ru/projects/minetest/core/
21:16	KikaRz	i was the most active e_e'
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21:22	KikaRz	VanessaE
21:22	KikaRz	you know any good linux recorder?
21:23	VanessaE	gtk-recordmydesktop
21:23	VanessaE	that's the one I used before
21:23	VanessaE	it works okay
21:23	VanessaE	good enough for a youtube video anyway
21:23	KikaRz	did you saw the Portuguese and Spanish brand new translations?
21:23	KikaRz	well... just the portuguese.
21:23	KikaRz	the spanish i just added 2 sentences
21:24	KikaRz	I can't saw my house
21:24	KikaRz	:/
21:24	KikaRz	http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/images/VanessaE_World_Map.png
21:25	telek	Nice world Vanessa!
21:25	VanessaE	KikaRz:
21:25	KikaRz	son, didn't you already saw it?
21:25	KikaRz	ingame?
21:25	KikaRz	what, VanessaE?
21:25	telek	Overhead view gives you more perspective on it.
21:26	VanessaE	it's at -451,__,-461
21:26	mauvebic	check this out http://www.zimg.eu/i/2785064669
21:26	telek	The spawn point is the three buildings on the right, correct?
21:26	VanessaE	the entrance thereto is at -453,11,428
21:26	telek	mauvebic: In minetest?!?!
21:26	KikaRz	oh
21:26	KikaRz	gotcha
21:26	VanessaE	at the south end of the map
21:27	KikaRz	there are a lot of flowers
21:27	KikaRz	and trees
21:27	KikaRz	and etc.
21:27	mauvebic	yep
21:27	KikaRz	i have so mini space
21:27	KikaRz	:c
21:27	KikaRz	i'm going to expand NOWW!
21:27	KikaRz	:D
21:27	VanessaE	actually,
21:27	mauvebic	i wrote something to convert binvox to blueprints, so you could take any blender mesh and reproduce in nodes
21:27	VanessaE	I copied your entire property over, and then did some landscaping to merge it back into the new map.
21:28	KikaRz	:s
21:28	KikaRz	oh
21:28	KikaRz	ok.
21:28	telek	Oh ok.
21:28	KikaRz	can i expand it?
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21:28	telek	Was about to ask, if it was a new map.
21:28	Muadtralk	greetings!
21:28	telek	VanessaE: How'd you copy properties over?
21:28	KikaRz	she saves
21:28	KikaRz	on world edit
21:28	KikaRz	and then... places on the other world
21:28	VanessaE	worldedit.
21:28	KikaRz	just loading
21:28	telek	Oh manually.
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21:29	telek	I was hoping there was some way to just snarf player modified bits and maybe offset them by now :D
21:29	KikaRz	VanessaE
21:29	VanessaE	save from the old world, load into the new world way up high in the air, then move it into place where it needs to be
21:29	KikaRz	i'm going to join now
21:29	VanessaE	KikaRz: ok
21:29	* telek	nods.
21:30	KikaRz	come son
21:30	KikaRz	:)
21:30	KikaRz	21:30 portugal
21:30	KikaRz	i gtg at 22:00
21:30	khonkhortisan	Whichever direction I build my mesecons machine, it will be forever facing that direction if ever loaded into a mesecon collection map.
21:30	telek	Ok, gimme a sec.
21:31	KikaRz	vanessaE
21:31	VanessaE	hm?
21:31	KikaRz	those trees that werent growing up
21:31	KikaRz	how i make them grow up'
21:31	KikaRz	?
21:31	KikaRz	cocoa
21:31	KikaRz	i think
21:31	VanessaE	KikaRz: expect lag. worldedit.
21:31	VanessaE	(//fixlight)
21:33	khonkhortisan	/dig is like //set air //fixlight
21:33	VanessaE	//dig doesn't exist anymore
21:33	khonkhortisan	uh-oh
21:33	VanessaE	/fixlight digs all the air nodes in the selected area
21:33	VanessaE	but doesn't dig non-air
21:34	mauvebic	i thought it reset the light value
21:34	VanessaE	it does so by digging the air nodes
21:34	VanessaE	which forces a node update for each one
21:34	VanessaE	which fixes the light
21:34	mauvebic	i think it replaces all the nodes and adds this special line before doing it: no.param1 = 13
21:35	khonkhortisan	Sounds like a Rube Goldberg command.
21:35	mauvebic	since paramtype1 = light
21:36	mauvebic	which takes about as much time as copy/paste
21:36	mauvebic	since its relatively the same thing
21:41	KikaRz	lag
21:43	KikaRz	VanessaE, i'm lagging al ot on your server.
21:45	KikaRz	DISCOVERED THE PROBLEM
21:45	KikaRz	MY IRC WAS ALWAYS TRYING TO CONNECT TO AN UNKNOWN NETWORK
21:45	KikaRz	*XChat
21:45	mauvebic	kill it now
21:45	mauvebic	and dispose of the witnesses
21:45	KikaRz	already
21:46	mauvebic	now i need to come up with a real scale binvox of the ship - wish me luck lol
21:47	VanessaE	heh
21:48	telek	Hey is 'too long of text messages causing a segfault' an issue for anybody else, or is it just me?
21:51	VanessaE	sometimes chat will segfault yeah
21:51	VanessaE	I don't know if it's the length of the message that does it though
21:52	* Exio	joins in VanessaE's and spams a big line of crap
21:52	KikaRz	im lagging
21:52	VanessaE	:P
21:53	khonkhortisan	I like the particles now, I can't click them.
21:53	KikaRz	silicon isn't for boobs?
21:54	KikaRz	omg
21:54	KikaRz	its impossible to play
21:55	KikaRz	fuck this lag!
21:55	KikaRz	RTT = 0.252
21:56	khonkhortisan	silicon is what you caulk your bathroom with, and when injected into the butt, causes clotting and loss of limbs.
21:56	KikaRz	omg
21:56	KikaRz	i do /me lagtest
21:57	KikaRz	and takes 6 minutes
21:57	telek	Arg
21:57	KikaRz	too much lag for me
21:57	telek	It keeps doing it for me if the message is more than two dozen words long or so.
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22:00	KikaRz	21:59:58: ERROR[main]: Some exception: "std::bad_alloc"
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22:09	KikaRz	VanessaE
22:09	VanessaE	hm?
22:09	KikaRz	Hi! :D
22:09	KikaRz	i'm sorry for not being at your server today...
22:10	KikaRz	ill try to be tomorrow
22:10	KikaRz	today its too laggy
22:10	VanessaE	it's okay
22:10	VanessaE	interestingly,
22:11	VanessaE	it's running fine now without that load error happening
22:11	KikaRz	your pipeworks mod its cool
22:11	VanessaE	(and that ignore errors flag is not set)
22:11	VanessaE	tthanks
22:11	KikaRz	i just dont know how to work with it
22:12	KikaRz	when will celeron55 get Dropped items in lava = set on fire = kill drop item entities
22:12	KikaRz	?
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22:12	khonkhortisan	the dropped entities should be drawn on fire, so if it falls through lava you can catch it
22:13	mauvebic	you need to add get entities within radius to one of the (many) fire abms
22:13	khonkhortisan	item over lava over water over you
22:13	mauvebic	oups lava
22:13	mauvebic	another abm lol
22:14	KikaRz	VanessaE
22:14	VanessaE	hm?
22:14	KikaRz	it's this poop smelt? e_e'
22:14	KikaRz	http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/homedecor-crafting-guide/terracotta-base.png
22:14	KikaRz	xd
22:14	VanessaE	um, no
22:14	VanessaE	since when was poop orange?
22:14	KikaRz	sry, wrong image
22:14	KikaRz	http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/homedecor-crafting-guide/terracotta-tile.png
22:14	KikaRz	it's that orange?
22:14	KikaRz	i think thats brown
22:14	VanessaE	it is reddish-orange on my screen.
22:14	KikaRz	daltonic
22:14	KikaRz	i'm daltonic
22:14	khonkhortisan	it has a line of brown on in
22:14	KikaRz	i think
22:14	khonkhortisan	*on it
22:16	mauvebic	dang, the scale version is twice as big lol
22:19	VanessaE	mauvebic: eh?
22:19	mauvebic	the scale version of the ship is nearly 800 nodes long lol
22:20	VanessaE	what ship?
22:20	mauvebic	kahn's ship, miranda class
22:20	VanessaE	ohh
22:20	KikaRz	where is boats mod by PilzAdam?
22:20	KikaRz	i want it
22:20	KikaRz	:c
22:20	mauvebic	binvox guy even put it up: https://plus.google.com/photos/112791664800738604413/albums/5560554751212449137/5842326904194427938?banner=pwa
22:20	VanessaE	KikaRz: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4016
22:21	KikaRz	thxs
22:22	mauvebic	though what ive been wanting to do for 3 days is the kelvin from the last movie
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22:23	mauvebic	might need lens flares tho lol
22:23	KikaRz	I installed a BIIIIIIIIIIG bunch of mods...
22:23	KikaRz	i hope this works
22:23	KikaRz	and non laggy
22:23	KikaRz	:P
22:23	KikaRz	its a lot!
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22:24	KikaRz	More ores, More blocks, +stairs +doors...
22:24	KikaRz	boats... carts... ufos...
22:24	Uberi	KikaRz: mesecons? :P
22:24	khonkhortisan	How do I reset a mesecons circuit?
22:24	KikaRz	mesecons... technic...
22:24	Uberi	khonkhortisan: reset? what do you mean?
22:24	KikaRz	farming, farming_plus... diamonds...
22:24	khonkhortisan	A diode with in off, out on, for example.
22:24	KikaRz	home decor, world edit, mapplus
22:25	khonkhortisan	Sometimes the circuit doesn't work right
22:25	khonkhortisan	How do I update the whole thing?
22:25	KikaRz	pipeworks unified inventory...ETC
22:25	KikaRz	bye...
22:25	Uberi	khonkhortisan: what? do you have one of those?
22:25	KikaRz	see you tomorrow
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22:25	khonkhortisan	yeah
22:25	Uberi	khonkhortisan: how'd you get it? is it reproducible?
22:25	khonkhortisan	Build a very large mesecons machine and keep pushing buttons. Eventually you'll have it happen.
22:25	Uberi	khonkhortisan: if you want I can write up a lua filter to dig and replace all mesecons blocks, but it could be pretty slow
22:26	Uberi	also it might not work, I dunno
22:26	KikaRz	total: 29 pages.
22:26	Uberi	KikaRz: of nodes in creative? that's a lot
22:26	khonkhortisan	I don't want it replaced, just updated, as if a signal hit it.
22:26	KikaRz	yea Uberi
22:26	KikaRz	well
22:26	Uberi	khonkhortisan: well, time to push more buttons then!
22:27	KikaRz	55 pages in normal creative
22:27	KikaRz	strange
22:27	khonkhortisan	Right now I have an sbi(A,C&!D)sbi(B,D) where D and B are both on, C is off, and A is on when it shouldn't be.
22:27	VanessaE	30 pages of nodes in Unified Inventory on my server :-)
22:28	VanessaE	I think there's 80 per page
22:28	VanessaE	70 or 80, I forgeto
22:28	Uberi	khonkhortisan: I hear luacontrollers are much less buggy
22:28	Uberi	khonkhortisan: but in any case, it is a bug, I ran into it as well
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22:30	khonkhortisan	there, now instead of the ÂµC, it's the diode that's on.
22:31	Uberi	what does the ? mean?
22:31	khonkhortisan	where?
22:31	Uberi	"instead of the ?C"
22:31	khonkhortisan	haha
22:31	khonkhortisan	you have irc issues
22:31	khonkhortisan	that's a mu symbol
22:31	khonkhortisan	get a better client :)
22:31	Uberi	ah
22:31	Uberi	nah all my logs are in pidgin format
22:31	mauvebic	still not quite to scale: http://www.zimg.eu/i/4234676247
22:31	Uberi	and I am too lazy to write a script that converts them
22:32	khonkhortisan	And the cow goes, "Âµ!"
22:32	Uberi	heheheh
22:32	Uberi	mauvebic: that is a nice build!
22:32	Uberi	lighting glitches to the left top though
22:32	mauvebic	ligthing glitches not my department lol
22:33	mauvebic	and i dind't really build it
22:33	Uberi	mauvebic: solution is to add blocks above it and then dig them
22:33	mauvebic	i exported a blender mesh to obj, converted to binvox, converted to blueprint lol
22:33	Uberi	interesting
22:34	mauvebic	which is like mesh -> binary -> text lol
22:34	mauvebic	pita lol
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22:35	khonkhortisan	huh. Vertical wire connected directly to vertical wire.
22:35	khonkhortisan	*to lit vertical wire
22:35	Uberi	khonkhortisan: hmm?
22:35	khonkhortisan	maybe my abm size is too small
22:36	VanessaE	how do I examine what a variable has been set to on the server?
22:36	Menche	/set
22:36	VanessaE	ah ok
22:36	VanessaE	didn't realize it was also a readback command.
22:36	Menche	you mean settings?
22:37	VanessaE	ok, that confirms that ignore load errors is set to false (and the server has been restarted twice already, for unrelated reasons)
22:37	Uberi	VanessaE: a lua global?
22:37	VanessaE	Uberi: no, menche got it. I just wanted to check a server setting
22:37	Uberi	ah
22:37	VanessaE	make sure it actually "took".
22:37	Uberi	I was about to suggest //lua print(varname)
22:37	VanessaE	now, can someone explain to me why part of the grass near my spawn keeps turning into dirt?
22:38	Uberi	light level?
22:38	mauvebic	bad light value
22:38	VanessaE	hrm
22:38	Uberi	try //fixlight over it
22:38	mauvebic	trying running fixlight on the grass itself and right above
22:38	VanessaE	it's brightly lit, no shadows, but okay
22:38	Menche	i notice grass randomly turning into dirt pretty often
22:38	Menche	no idea why
22:38	Uberi	oh wait wait
22:39	Uberi	I remember now
22:39	VanessaE	ok, light fixed. also it turns to dirt when I'm away from the area
22:39	VanessaE	then slowly turns back to grass if someone hangs around long enough
22:39	Uberi	grass turns to dirt due to the node above it being ignore
22:39	VanessaE	oh ffs.
22:39	Uberi	pilzadam fixed that in git I think
22:39	VanessaE	which commit?
22:39	Uberi	lemme check
22:40	xming	VanessaE: your textures look lovely here
22:40	VanessaE	xming: thanks :-)
22:40	Uberi	nope not merged yet: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/pull/455
22:40	Uberi	^ VanessaE
22:41	Uberi	somebody bump the issue
22:41	VanessaE	why has this not been fixed yet?
22:41	Menche	ah, that's what keeps happening
22:41	VanessaE	I also noticed that the same areas that keep turning into dirt render as white blank spaces in minetestmapper.py
22:41	Menche	makes sense
22:41	VanessaE	http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/images/VanessaE_World_Map.png
22:42	VanessaE	look at the spawn. see the square-ish white around it?
22:42	Uberi	that is pretty wierd
22:42	khonkhortisan	Uberi:
22:42	khonkhortisan	http://postimage.org/image/uons2sjwp/
22:42	khonkhortisan	http://postimage.org/image/44v70njd5/
22:42	khonkhortisan	http://postimage.org/image/sdg9ltn9n/
22:42	VanessaE	those white areas are exactly the areas that keep turning back and forth between grass and dirt.
22:43	Uberi	that is one crazy circuit khonkhortisan
22:43	khonkhortisan	yep. Connect Four.
22:43	Uberi	but do note that vertical wires are experimental
22:43	Uberi	khonkhortisan: did you already minimise the expressions?
22:43	Uberi	I'm sure it could be made smaller
22:44	khonkhortisan	Those three pictures are vertical wires, ÂµCs, and diodes misbehaving.
22:44	khonkhortisan	The calculation for where the pieces drop is good, but I have 139 checks for winning.
22:44	Uberi	:O
22:44	khonkhortisan	well, 138. Still have to check for full board.
22:45	Uberi	good thing it'll be a lot easier with digilines
22:45	khonkhortisan	what are those?
22:45	Uberi	well, they're basically buses with channels
22:46	Uberi	so like many addressing lines and a signal line + clock line
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22:46	Uberi	when you send data on a digiline, the luacontroller on the end gets an interrupt
22:47	Uberi	(luacontrollers also have infinite memory btw)
22:47	khonkhortisan	With so much memory, four ports might not be enough
22:48	khonkhortisan	nvm
22:48	Uberi	khonkhortisan: digilines have basically infinite ports
22:48	Uberi	we can now make a computer with one block
22:48	khonkhortisan	my m looks like an nr stuck together
22:48	khonkhortisan	nvm <- but only sometimes
22:49	khonkhortisan	nvm
22:49	khonkhortisan	there, the third character if it's the end of the line m
22:49	khonkhortisan	nope, just m ending.
22:49	khonkhortisan	one node for computer + one node per in/output
22:50	Uberi	yep
22:50	Uberi	a monitor would be x by y by 3
22:50	khonkhortisan	Is there a mesecon-to-digiline node, complete with channel control?
22:50	Uberi	"new widescreen flat monitors!"
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22:50	Uberi	khonkhortisan: that would be the luacontroller
22:50	khonkhortisan	Is everything a digiline, default channel 1?
22:51	Uberi	khonkhortisan: nope, a digiline is a special type of wire
22:51	Uberi	you craft it differently too
22:54	khonkhortisan	NOTE: Adobe Flash Player 11.2 will be the last version to target Linux as a supported platform. Adobe will continue to provide security backports to Flash Player 11.2 for Linux.
22:54	khonkhortisan	Uhh, what does that mean for me?
22:55	Uberi	khonkhortisan: flash is not going to be updated anymore
22:55	Uberi	for linux, at least
22:55	khonkhortisan	should I stop using it?
22:55	Uberi	you will get updates only for critical security fixes
22:55	Menche	except for the pepper api, used by chrom/ium
22:55	Uberi	khonkhortisan: if you really need it, by all means continue using it
22:55	Uberi	if you don't, and like me, just used to use it to watch some Youtube, removing it is a good idea
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22:56	Uberi	youtube works fine in HTML5 mode now, as well as Vimeo and a few others
22:56	Menche	not all videos work with html5
22:56	Uberi	yeah, there's still minitube for that
22:56	khonkhortisan	I feel betrayed
22:57	Uberi	by whom?
22:57	Menche	but i think chrom[e/ium] will still get flash upgrades
22:57	VanessaE	betrayed?
22:57	Uberi	nah, chromium doesn't have the flash thing
22:57	khonkhortisan	By adobe which makes flash, which people make stuff with, which I use
22:57	Uberi	it's chrome only
22:57	Menche	you can copy the library to use it in chromium
22:58	VanessaE	khonkhortisan: no worries. gnash.
22:58	Menche	gnash doesn't work well with youtube
22:58	Uberi	minitube! come on, it's great
22:59	OldCoder	Minitube is wonderful
23:00	OldCoder	Phase out Flash
23:01	OldCoder
23:01	khonkhortisan	Sure, I'll phase them out. They drop me, I drop them.
23:01	NakedFury	hey guys how is it going?
23:01	OldCoder	Folks, my new VPS host would like feedback. Could somebody try out my worlds again?
23:01	OldCoder	NakedFury, How about you?
23:01	NakedFury	what is the ip?
23:01	NakedFury	and I need a new client I think
23:01	OldCoder	Same as before... Not same IP but same domain and port
23:02	OldCoder	And 3.4.4 clients should work fine
23:02	OldCoder	minetest.org port 30000, 30001, etc.
23:02	OldCoder	Europe should come back this month if time permits
23:03	NakedFury	loading
23:03	khonkhortisan	How do I change youtube to html5 if flash crashed?
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23:03	Kacey	hi all
23:04	khonkhortisan	never mind
23:04	Uberi	hi Kacey
23:05	Kacey	how do i change my password on IRC?
23:05	Uberi	try NickServ
23:05	khonkhortisan	Of course _you'd_ be the one to ask that
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23:07	Kacey	nvm got it
23:07	NakedFury	loading media slow. all the mods I have must be outdated so its downloading them
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23:12	Traxie21	Help needed... again :L
23:13	CreepingCrawled	these oozes are so dumb
23:13	CreepingCrawled	they ran right through a conjure flame and then stayed in it
23:13	Kacey	Traxie21, what do you need?
23:13	VanessaE	ooze?
23:14	CreepingCrawled	wrong channel
23:14	Traxie21	I need to minetest.set_player_privs([var].. "=".. [var2])
23:14	Traxie21	But that is giving me a VERY DESCRIPTIVE ERROR: Error: singleplayer
23:14	Kacey	idk how to do that
23:14	Traxie21	me neither XD
23:15	khonkhortisan	Something like minetest.set_player_privs("priv1=" .. minetest.get_player_priv("priv2")) ?
23:15	Traxie21	I don't understand minetest.set_player_privs(name, ...) very well
23:15	Traxie21	Yea
23:15	Kacey	Menche, PING
23:15	Uberi	Traxie21: can you paste here the entry from lua_api.txt?
23:15	Menche	Kacey: what?
23:16	Kacey	i cannot connect to your serer
23:16	Traxie21	minetest.set_player_privs(name, {priv1=true,...})
23:16	Traxie21	Thats lua API
23:16	xming	VanessaE: I can't reconnect :(
23:16	Menche	Kacey: yeah i think its down. I can't check until I get home.
23:16	VanessaE	try again?
23:16	Kacey	aah ok
23:16	VanessaE	but let it sit for a while
23:17	Uberi	Traxie21: minetest.set_player_privs({[var1]=var2})
23:17	Kacey	!up menche.servegame.com
23:17	Minetest-tan	menche.servegame.com:30000 seems to be down
23:17	Uberi	it's not terribly difficult
23:17	Menche	Kacey: in about half an hour i'll be home and i'll put it up
23:17	xming	I am going to setup a server in EU 27/4
23:17	Kacey	alright
23:17	xming	just looking for ideas
23:17	Kacey	27/4?
23:18	Uberi	yeah, 27 hours a day
23:18	Traxie21	Thanks Uberi, I only missed that square brackets
23:18	Menche	27 hours a day, 4 days a week
23:18	Uberi	no problem :)
23:18	xming	idd :D
23:18	VanessaE	I gues time runs a little slower in EU ;-0
23:18	VanessaE	;_0
23:18	VanessaE	;-)
23:18	xming	faster, only 4 days /w :p
23:18	VanessaE	oh right
23:18	VanessaE	duh
23:18	Uberi	so do you still have those 2 day weekends?
23:18	Uberi	because that sounds nice
23:18	xming	VanessaE: okay, now fences are okay and woods are normal, not purple any more
23:19	xming	it was all purple
23:19	VanessaE	oh good
23:19	VanessaE	yeah the texture atlas is b0rk3d
23:19	xming	that's why I said it hurt my eyes
23:19	telek	Plus isn't the atrlas basically just a mipmap
23:19	telek	OR UV map or something
23:19	Kacey	afk
23:19	VanessaE	not exactly
23:19	Uberi	no, a mipmap is something completely different
23:19	VanessaE	just a flat image map
23:20	Uberi	a tex atlas is a large texture with many subtextures, used to avoid texture switching
23:20	Uberi	a mipmap is a set of images that are prescaled to give better image quality
23:20	telek	Anyhow isn't the easy way to solve it just to add a new texture any time the current atlas is full and start directing to it for any referencing nodes?
23:21	Uberi	not quite telek
23:21	telek	Can't do it like that, or can't do it like that on legacy hardware?
23:21	Uberi	that removes the main advantage of the tex atlas
23:21	Uberi	namely, not switching textures
23:21	xming	VanessaE: what's the RAM usage of your server?
23:22	VanessaE	4514 vanessa 20 0 346m 160m 4052 S 21 4.1 8:19.21 minetestserver
23:22	telek	Wouldn't it still cut down the number of switches needed?
23:22	VanessaE	346m virtual, 160m resident.
23:22	telek	What spec server Vanessa?
23:22	VanessaE	but it varies.
23:22	xming	160m and only 346m VSS, nice
23:23	VanessaE	AMD Phenom II X6 1055T (4GB RAM) with an OCZ Vertex2 60GB SSD. AMD HD6870 video card.
23:23	xming	how do you run so fast?
23:23	telek	Honestly how many people would you need for minetestserver to take up a significant portion of ram/cpu?
23:23	Uberi	telek: it might, but a better solution is to just use a bigger atlas, no?
23:23	telek	Even with animals and company installed I didn't have too many issues except when the plant growing routines hit.
23:23	xming	I am going to host on a VPS 4vCPUs and 1GB RAM
23:23	Kacey	Uberi, 1 for me :P
23:23	telek	Uberi: Not if the card is limited to 4096x4096 or whatever textures, no?
23:24	telek	Then you'd have to use multiple textures for the atlas.
23:24	telek	Nevermind say Voodoo3 era hardware with only 128x128 or 256x256 textures.
23:25	Uberi	eh, 4096 is plenty big enough
23:25	telek	What's the current atlas size?
23:26	Uberi	depends on your mods
23:27	telek	Well my mods lead to 'texture atlas full, disabling'
23:27	telek	So I assume anyone using 256x256 modpacks has significantly more issues than me :D
23:27	Uberi	it's disabled, then
23:28	telek	Does any currently running server with a non-trivial modpack setup NOT cause the atlas to fail?
23:29	Traxie21	Where does one download a windows binary for minetest_server?
23:29	Uberi	Traxie21: it's the same as the minetest client
23:30	Uberi	it's exactly the same binary
23:30	Traxie21	Soo
23:30	Traxie21	How does one start it as only the server?
23:30	Uberi	except the server is run with --server
23:30	Traxie21	kk
23:31	Kacey	on windows it is different i think
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23:53	khonkhortisan	mesecon button got stuck in
23:55	Kacey	haha
23:56	khonkhortisan	it's funny for a small machine, but for a large one I don't have a master reset button yet
23:56	khonkhortisan	I might have to connect the gates that frequently bug out to a signal that does nothing but update it
23:56	Kacey	can i see your machine?
23:57	khonkhortisan	it's not completely functional, but yes.
23:57	Kacey	maybe i could help (since i figured out luacontrollers
23:57	Kacey	)*
23:58	khonkhortisan	The logic is fine, it's mesecons that's giving me problems.
23:58	Kacey	ok

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