Time |
Nick |
Message |
00:00 |
Gambit |
You should firewall him out of minetest.ru so he can't get his fix of drama from the logs |
00:00 |
Gambit |
Which he is currently refreshing frantically. |
00:00 |
marktraceur |
He has as many IPs as he'd like, so it would be useless. |
00:01 |
marktraceur |
He can always get logs from a server he hasn't used here. |
00:02 |
Gambit |
Yeah but he's not very bright. |
00:02 |
marktraceur |
Well, true. |
00:02 |
marktraceur |
All right, thexyz, if that appeals to you, the +b list is a good reference |
00:02 |
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00:02 |
marveidemanis |
hey |
00:03 |
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00:03 |
marktraceur |
marveidemanis: Hi there |
00:03 |
marktraceur |
You seem to be a bit k-less today. |
00:03 |
marveidemanis |
hi...is redcrab's server down? |
00:03 |
marveidemanis |
i cant seem to connect |
00:04 |
marktraceur |
Seems to be up according to server list |
00:04 |
marveidemanis |
!up redcrab.suret 30401 |
00:04 |
marktraceur |
Yeah I muted the bot. |
00:04 |
marveidemanis |
how come? |
00:05 |
marktraceur |
Because LandMine was using it to spam. |
00:05 |
marktraceur |
And anyone as unimaginative as that shouldn't be rewarded with a simple attack vector. |
00:08 |
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00:10 |
marktraceur |
Then again, he gets tired easily. |
00:10 |
marktraceur |
No commitment. |
00:11 |
berome |
hi LunaVorax :-) |
00:11 |
LunaVorax |
Hello berome |
00:12 |
telek |
marktraceur: Gotta work on that if he's ever going to become an (un)productive member of society eh? |
00:13 |
marktraceur |
telek: That's the truth. |
00:16 |
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00:16 |
LandMine |
Fuck u all |
00:16 |
LandMine |
Easy to talk shit when I'm not hre |
00:16 |
landmineownz |
Hahhah he left |
00:16 |
landmineownz |
What a faggot |
00:16 |
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00:16 |
Menche |
he's a bundle of sticks? |
00:17 |
landmineownz |
Mrktraceur easy to talk smack when I'm not here eh? |
00:17 |
landmineownz |
Hahahhaa |
00:17 |
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00:17 |
marktraceur |
Fun times |
00:18 |
mauvebic |
very gay, tape miss brahms! |
00:19 |
mauvebic |
if anyone remembers which exact episode thats from, id love to make a meme out of it lol |
00:19 |
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00:19 |
hopejoy |
hey |
00:19 |
hopejoy |
In desperation I search, trying to find myself I look. I search and search, for my heart is lost I search. Too scared to run too scared to move. Paralyzed by pain and fear I search. I fight to live as I stager at the pain. I sit beside me staring at what I see. I shake my head at what I made me. I fight to not listen at the pain I created. The pain I will always see. As I twitch in emptiness my eyes begin to see. The more they fin |
00:19 |
hopejoy |
I lay here to night in a dark silent room, Feeling only pain and uncontrollable gloom. Pictures of the blood flash in my head, Pictures of you laying on the floor dead. Never to come back and mess up my life, I smile as I wipe your blood from my knife. Your darkened red blood spills out on the street, Your Colden heart stop DEAD in its beat, I think back to all the pain and the hurt, As I cover your body and spit on the dirt. Fro |
00:19 |
hopejoy |
Hey you! Yeah, I'm talking to you, "Dad"! Where were you when I needed you the most in my life? You were never at my side, You just wanted a carefree life. Where were you when I was growing up? You were busy starting over, Drinking from your golden cup. Did you pretend that I don't exist anymore, As you were finding someone new? Well, I hope you cherish everyday you live, Because I'm coming for you. Never at a birthday nor graduat |
00:20 |
mauvebic |
+q |
00:20 |
hopejoy |
FUCK YOU MARKTRACEUR!!! |
00:20 |
hopejoy |
FUCK YOU MARKTRACEUR!!!FUCK YOU MARKTRACEUR!!!FUCK YOU MARKTRACEUR!!! |
00:20 |
hopejoy |
FUCK YOU MARKTRACEUR!!! |
00:20 |
hopejoy |
FUCK YOU MARKTRACEUR!!! |
00:20 |
hopejoy |
FUCK YOU MARKTRACEUR!!! |
00:20 |
hopejoy |
FUCK YOU MARKTRACEUR!!! |
00:20 |
hopejoy |
FUCK YOU MARKTRACEUR!!! |
00:20 |
hopejoy |
FUCK YOU MARKTRACEUR!!! |
00:20 |
hopejoy |
FUCK YOU MARKTRACEUR!!! |
00:20 |
hopejoy |
FUCK YOU MARKTRACEUR!!! |
00:20 |
hopejoy |
FUCK YOU MARKTRACEUR!!! |
00:20 |
hopejoy |
FUCK YOU MARKTRACEUR!!! |
00:20 |
hopejoy |
FUCK YOU MARKTRACEUR!!!FUCK YOU MARKTRACEUR!!! |
00:20 |
hopejoy |
FUCK YOU MARKTRACEUR!!! |
00:20 |
hopejoy |
FUCK YOU MARKTRACEUR!!! |
00:20 |
hopejoy |
FUCK YOU MARKTRACEUR!!! |
00:20 |
mauvebic |
please, +q |
00:20 |
marktraceur |
*sigh* |
00:21 |
mauvebic |
wtf was that |
00:21 |
Exio |
mauvebic: can you quiet $~a? (temporal quiet, ofc) |
00:21 |
marktraceur |
Hm? |
00:21 |
mauvebic |
*2 |
00:21 |
Exio |
$a == logged/registered users, ~ == "negation" |
00:21 |
Exio |
$~a == non-logged/registered users :P |
00:21 |
marktraceur |
There's an easier version of that |
00:21 |
Exio |
what version? |
00:21 |
Exio |
+r blocks join |
00:22 |
marktraceur |
I guess. |
00:22 |
mauvebic |
im surprised there ins't an IRC protocol to set channels to invite only |
00:22 |
mauvebic |
but that would defeat the purpose here lol |
00:22 |
marktraceur |
mauvebic: There is |
00:22 |
* marktraceur |
is in at least one such channel |
00:22 |
mauvebic |
then why do some people setup channels with obscured names? i find that confusing lol |
00:23 |
Exio |
obscured? |
00:23 |
marktraceur |
Because they don't understand IRC? |
00:23 |
mauvebic |
like totally unrelated, would never find in a million years obscured lol |
00:23 |
mauvebic |
though i understands theres lots of people like me w/ unregistered nicks |
00:24 |
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00:24 |
Zack__ |
Hi all |
00:24 |
khonkhortisan |
hello |
00:25 |
Zack__ |
Does anyone know how to regrenerate the ores in an existing world? |
00:26 |
Zack__ |
I've been playing for a bit but just got the more ores mod, but you don't see any in an existing world until you run off the edge of known territory |
00:26 |
mauvebic |
ores dont regenerate no |
00:26 |
mauvebic |
you have to go to new territory or lower depths |
00:26 |
Zack__ |
:( |
00:26 |
khonkhortisan |
I made a mine with a very large surface area before I learned that |
00:26 |
mauvebic |
though, *hint *hint, a biomineralization mod would be cool |
00:27 |
Zack__ |
I've already dug so deep it takes 3 minutes to get down there to get the new ores |
00:27 |
khonkhortisan |
how deep? (press F5) |
00:27 |
mauvebic |
i read this article on microbes that produce microscopic gold as a defense mechanism, pretty cool |
00:27 |
khonkhortisan |
how does gold become defense? |
00:28 |
mauvebic |
aparently theres such a thing as toxic gold |
00:28 |
Zack__ |
where do i read depth? |
00:28 |
mauvebic |
F |
00:28 |
mauvebic |
F5 |
00:28 |
khonkhortisan |
So it wouldn't be a good thing to make biogoldbars? |
00:28 |
khonkhortisan |
y is depth |
00:28 |
Zack__ |
ah ok, I''m on the surface just now |
00:28 |
khonkhortisan |
jump and look for the number that changes |
00:28 |
Zack__ |
will have to walk all the way down haha |
00:29 |
mauvebic |
article: http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2013/02/04/3682812.htm |
00:29 |
khonkhortisan |
You can't fall into water, or shift-climb your way back up? |
00:29 |
Zack__ |
ah, why didnt i think of that |
00:29 |
khonkhortisan |
We have rails too |
00:29 |
Zack__ |
I made a massive stair way |
00:30 |
Zack__ |
got the rails mod, aim to use it too, but the 'more ores' mod is not reseeding into the map |
00:30 |
Zack__ |
so short answer is I have to restart if I want the new ores? |
00:30 |
khonkhortisan |
You could make a new map and worldedit your buildings back into it |
00:30 |
Zack__ |
ok, is that easy to do? |
00:31 |
khonkhortisan |
I've never done cross-map worldedit. |
00:31 |
khonkhortisan |
Haven't needed it yet |
00:31 |
berome |
Zack__: if you are singleplayer you could grant yourself giveme privilege, to deal with lake of stuffs |
00:32 |
Zack__ |
lake of stuffs? |
00:33 |
mauvebic |
resources |
00:33 |
mauvebic |
if youre playing with other players you could use a trade mod too |
00:33 |
berome |
yes, thanks, I'm not able to translate "manque" correctly |
00:34 |
mauvebic |
manque usually means shortage (fr to en?) |
00:34 |
Zack__ |
ok I understand |
00:34 |
marktraceur |
mauvebic: Usually it's translated as "miss" |
00:34 |
berome |
mauvebic: yes |
00:34 |
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00:34 |
Zack__ |
I like being as purist as possible, if you want it you have to find it ;) |
00:34 |
mauvebic |
manque can mean miss as in missing a bus |
00:34 |
mauvebic |
or it can mean manque as in missing milk |
00:35 |
marktraceur |
Or missing a friend |
00:35 |
berome |
+1 for you Zack__ |
00:35 |
mauvebic |
yeah "tu me manque" = "i miss you" |
00:35 |
Zack__ |
thanks, ok I try world edit my buildings into a new world |
00:35 |
marktraceur |
The really funny thing is that the order is reversed :) |
00:36 |
marktraceur |
mauvebic: Is it a noun also? |
00:36 |
Zack__ |
thanks all, merci |
00:36 |
berome |
:-) |
00:36 |
mauvebic |
un manque |
00:36 |
mauvebic |
yeah its a noun too |
00:36 |
mauvebic |
un manque d'affection = a lack of affection |
00:36 |
marktraceur |
I guess it would be translated as "lack" |
00:36 |
mauvebic |
no wait |
00:36 |
marktraceur |
Or "dearth" |
00:36 |
mauvebic |
naw its an adjective |
00:37 |
mauvebic |
un manquement = lacking or wanting, still adjective |
00:37 |
berome |
mauvebic: thanks a lack !!!, damn that's it ! |
00:37 |
mauvebic |
i used to translation for english/french newspaper :P one of the better paying jobs |
00:38 |
mauvebic |
which is why the municipal corruption scandal didn't surprise lol |
00:38 |
marktraceur |
Bloody quebecois and their bilingalism |
00:38 |
marktraceur |
bilingualism* |
00:38 |
mauvebic |
very few of us are actually |
00:38 |
mauvebic |
the french wont learn english and the english wont learned french, both convinced of their own superiority |
00:38 |
khonkhortisan |
I'm bilingual but I can't give you an example in irc |
00:39 |
berome |
:-))) |
00:39 |
mauvebic |
been this way for 40 odd years here now |
00:40 |
mauvebic |
though we get the best jobs since you have to be bilingual for gov't jobs |
00:44 |
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00:52 |
khonkhortisan |
Particles get in the way |
00:56 |
marktraceur |
Brace yourselves, I guess. |
00:58 |
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00:58 |
Kacey |
hello all |
00:59 |
Menche |
hello |
01:01 |
khonkhortisan |
hi |
01:01 |
Kacey |
ooh hai Menche |
01:02 |
marktraceur |
Right, status |
01:02 |
marktraceur |
LandMine intends to destroy this community. |
01:02 |
marktraceur |
Because he's a little boy who enjoys thinking he's superior to others. |
01:02 |
marktraceur |
This is not a problem. Please ping me and other ops if there are rulebreakers in the channel. |
01:04 |
mauvebic |
what a surprise: a teenager looking to get a rise out of people :p |
01:04 |
marktraceur |
Indeed. |
01:04 |
marktraceur |
This is not news, nor is it any large issue. |
01:04 |
marktraceur |
As ever I'll be logging the channel |
01:04 |
mauvebic |
unfortunately we cant have minetest-mature and minetest-immature-trollhere lol |
01:05 |
Menche |
he just wants you to get mad at him, don't humor him |
01:05 |
marktraceur |
As the spam cools down I'll ask the Freenode staff to ban the IPs I gather. |
01:05 |
berome |
mauvebic: lol ! |
01:06 |
mauvebic |
well you either ignore him completely on ban-on-sight, drawing it out and explaining the rules he already knows does nothing but inconvenience everyone else here |
01:06 |
mauvebic |
i think "he gets it" lol |
01:06 |
marktraceur |
Now, I agree. |
01:06 |
marktraceur |
Before, he wasn't so terrible, but if he's going to be this awful, I'll ban on sight. |
01:07 |
mauvebic |
why not, people don't learn overnight, it takes a few years of people reacting the same way to register theres' something wrong with one's behaviour lol |
01:08 |
marktraceur |
Indeed. |
01:08 |
mauvebic |
and some people just get more pig-headed lol |
01:09 |
mauvebic |
though i know alot of kids feel like people on the internet are "real" |
01:09 |
mauvebic |
*arent |
01:10 |
mauvebic |
people say soo much more on the internet than they ever would IRl |
01:11 |
Kacey |
im going to jtag my xbox |
01:14 |
berome |
_0/ |
01:15 |
mauvebic |
eww, someone stole our old mattress :/ |
01:16 |
khonkhortisan |
put a tire in the yard with a sign, Free Tire, no one takes it. Change the sign to Tire - $20, gone the next day. |
01:16 |
Kacey |
right? |
01:19 |
mauvebic |
lol you should see the pm's LM is sending me |
01:19 |
marktraceur |
He's given me a small preview |
01:32 |
OldCoder |
marktraceur, PM |
01:40 |
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01:44 |
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01:44 |
Kacey |
/ban LandMine or /kick LandMine |
01:45 |
landminepwnz |
Yeah do it |
01:45 |
landminepwnz |
Nobody? Gosh |
01:45 |
Kacey |
better |
01:45 |
landmine122 |
Wha is better kacey? |
01:46 |
landmine122 |
Oldcoder u there? |
01:46 |
landmine122 |
Need to talk to u |
01:47 |
khonkhortisan |
Proverbs 18:6 A fool's lips walk into a fight, and his mouth invites a beating. |
01:47 |
landmine122 |
Nice |
01:47 |
landmine122 |
Brb |
01:47 |
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01:47 |
khonkhortisan |
he asked for it |
01:48 |
Kacey |
i wish i had ops |
01:48 |
Kacey |
i would ban his entire netblock |
01:48 |
khonkhortisan |
I'm happy just being here |
01:48 |
khonkhortisan |
On a server, though, it would be nice to have some things |
01:52 |
khonkhortisan |
the particles mod needs some extra code that makes it so if you click on a particle, it make a ray and calculaties where you would've clicked and still lets you place/dig. |
01:55 |
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01:58 |
Menche |
particles mod or built-in particles? |
02:00 |
Exio |
.. Best viewed at 800x600 with IE 6.0 or Netscape 7.02 or Mozilla Firefox 1.0.6 or higher. |
02:00 |
Exio |
©2013 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. All rights reserved. |
02:00 |
Exio |
awesome |
02:00 |
mauvebic |
vintage porn site? |
02:01 |
mauvebic |
*vintage browser porn lol |
02:01 |
Exio |
http://www.realtek.com/ |
02:03 |
mauvebic |
close enough lol |
02:03 |
Menche |
darn, have to upgrade |
02:03 |
mauvebic |
the yahoo homepage looked like shit for years |
02:03 |
mauvebic |
by the time they did something about it no one cared lol |
02:09 |
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02:17 |
khonkhortisan |
Menche, up-to-date particles mod |
02:18 |
Menche |
sort of obsolete, particles are built in to the c++ now |
02:18 |
khonkhortisan |
crashes flash |
02:30 |
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02:40 |
thisisnotlandmin |
Wassup peeps |
02:40 |
thisisnotlandmin |
Back |
02:40 |
thisisnotlandmin |
!up |
02:40 |
thisisnotlandmin |
Silenced useless bot |
02:57 |
thisisnotlandmin |
Hmmmm |
03:11 |
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03:14 |
thisisnotlandmin |
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03:19 |
* VanessaE |
looks in |
03:20 |
Menche |
been pretty quiet |
03:26 |
thisisnotlandmin |
Yeah menche its dead |
03:26 |
thisisnotlandmin |
Vanessae u missed out on alot |
03:26 |
VanessaE |
meh. |
03:28 |
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03:30 |
LandMine |
Meh? |
03:33 |
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03:45 |
VanessaE |
meh. |
03:47 |
LandMine |
Lol....its was fun |
03:47 |
VanessaE |
if you say so. |
03:48 |
LandMine |
Did u see the logs? |
03:49 |
VanessaE |
yeah. |
03:49 |
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LandMine was kicked by VanessaE: I did. |
03:49 |
Menche |
lol |
03:49 |
VanessaE |
bye bye. |
04:10 |
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04:10 |
LandMine |
Not nice |
04:11 |
landminerog |
Not nice at all |
04:19 |
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landminerog was kicked by VanessaE: neither is ban evasion |
04:20 |
khonkhortisan |
it's like throwing someone in jail when they can walk out a different jail door every time |
04:21 |
VanessaE |
well I just closed off a number of possible doors. |
04:22 |
khonkhortisan |
that's "QUITting" to you, skyline |
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05:26 |
* khonkhortisan |
sets ban on *!*@*192.168.* |
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05:39 |
marktraceur |
VanessaE: I hesitated to ban everything in 189.191.*....seems like we might get some false positives |
05:41 |
VanessaE |
doubt it |
05:51 |
VanessaE |
bedtime for me....mark, if you feel the need, reduce that to a class C; 189.191.111.* |
05:52 |
marktraceur |
I don't currently |
05:52 |
VanessaE |
night :-) |
05:52 |
marktraceur |
Some hundreds of thousands of IP blocks....only 66 people in the channel |
06:01 |
celeron55 |
best of all, landmine is very likely to still be here 8) |
06:02 |
marktraceur |
celeron55: Sauron has many spies.... |
06:02 |
marktraceur |
celeron55: I don't mind though |
06:02 |
marktraceur |
celeron55: With an IP block taken away he has relatively little power unless he wants to burn more of his IPs |
06:05 |
celeron55 |
dunno |
06:06 |
celeron55 |
he could just use tor or so |
06:06 |
marktraceur |
celeron55: I would have zero qualms about blocking tor enpoints |
06:06 |
marktraceur |
endpoints* |
06:06 |
celeron55 |
maybe, but you can't do that without blocking them one by one |
06:07 |
celeron55 |
unless /ban *! |
06:07 |
celeron55 |
*!*@* |
06:07 |
celeron55 |
8) |
06:11 |
marktraceur |
celeron55: You'd like that wouldn't you :) |
06:11 |
celeron55 |
to me, having people who do this kind of stuff is more of a peculiarity than a practical problem |
06:12 |
celeron55 |
i mean, why don't they have anything useful to do with their lives; what kind of lives do they have to make them do so |
06:12 |
marktraceur |
celeron55: It's a superiority complex |
06:13 |
marktraceur |
celeron55: A skilled psychiatrist might suggest something about phalli. |
06:16 |
hmmmm |
actually he is still here |
06:16 |
hmmmm |
we were talking about bots after he had been banned and he messaged me foolishly about my 'gay bots' or something |
06:17 |
marktraceur |
hmmmm: Of course he's still here, but he's hiding like the child he is. |
06:18 |
marktraceur |
Maybe I should use smaller words |
06:18 |
hmmmm |
anyway, he's probably one of those with hidden hostmasks |
06:19 |
marktraceur |
"superiority complex" is psychology-speak for "probably has a tiny penis and is compensating by being a bully" |
06:19 |
hmmmm |
he's hardly a bully, he's just a random tard |
06:19 |
marktraceur |
hmmmm: Hardly different from someone who would casually demean those with learning disabilities :) |
06:20 |
hmmmm |
calling him a bully implies that he's somehow harming you though. |
06:21 |
marktraceur |
hmmmm: I don't know |
06:21 |
marktraceur |
hmmmm: Being a bully isn't transitive |
06:21 |
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06:21 |
marktraceur |
hmmmm: One can be a bully towards an entire group of people, or to people in general (though then I might use the word "misanthrope") |
06:22 |
marktraceur |
I don't need to be personally affronted to recognize a bully. |
06:22 |
marktraceur |
Or to recognize the likely cause of the bullying, however small it may be. |
06:22 |
* marktraceur |
can sit here and make scientifically unsound small-penis jokes all evening :) |
06:23 |
hmmmm |
you could, but that'd just show everybody how much spare time you have on your hands. |
06:23 |
marktraceur |
hmmmm: True. And that's not really accurate, so I'd better do useful things instead. |
06:26 |
marktraceur |
In any case, I suppose, LM really doesn't deserve such hostility. |
06:26 |
marktraceur |
I mean, at his core, there's a person. |
06:27 |
marktraceur |
Whatever hatred emanates from him, he does deserve some level of respect. |
06:27 |
marktraceur |
So to LM's puppets and spies: I respect LandMine. I just don't appreciate the hatred. |
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07:26 |
OldCoder |
Hi |
07:40 |
VanessaE |
well THAT was a colossal waste of time.. as usual |
07:40 |
* VanessaE |
can't sleep. |
07:41 |
VanessaE |
(why do I even bother trying? Maybe I should just tank up on caffeine-bearing consumables and just stay up for the next...month) |
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thexyz |
>Because I don't think he's so evil that he has no chances |
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thexyz |
oh you! |
08:03 |
marktraceur |
thexyz: I still think that. But if someone essentially declares war, I'm not about to think they're lying :) |
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VanessaE |
hah |
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thexyz |
!up minetest.org 30000-30002 |
08:04 |
Minetest-tan |
thexyz: Invalid Port: 30000-30002 |
08:04 |
VanessaE |
marktraceur: I'm pretty sure LM or whoever he really is has already doneso |
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thexyz |
k |
08:04 |
thexyz |
that feature was damn useless anyways |
08:05 |
marktraceur |
VanessaE: I hadn't seen or heard that |
08:05 |
VanessaE |
when you start insulting and being nasty to people in the most vocal way, and publishing wishing for the death of someone you don't know and are not affected by, that's about as close to a declaration of war as you can get. |
08:05 |
VanessaE |
s/publishing/publicly/ |
08:06 |
VanessaE |
thexyz: not to mention, so easily abused :-/ |
08:13 |
OldCoder |
NEWS: My worlds are back online except for Europe which is coming. I need to know if they work or not. |
08:13 |
VanessaE |
OldCoder: A major update to my world will be coming soon also, a few days probably. New map, everything's been rearranged. updated a few mods, dropped a few. All interesting buildings are being copied over |
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OldCoder |
Would anybody like to try my worlds? |
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10:46 |
Calinou |
hi |
10:46 |
VanessaE |
hi |
10:46 |
Calinou |
there was a power outage this morning :D |
10:47 |
VanessaE |
heh |
10:47 |
VanessaE |
fix stairsplus plz ;-) |
10:47 |
VanessaE |
you bwoke it :*( |
10:47 |
Calinou |
how? :P |
10:48 |
VanessaE |
stairs don't show up in creative inventory, digging slabs et.al = Unknown Item, can't stack 1/4 slabs -> 1/2, 3/4, whole blocks |
10:48 |
VanessaE |
all mods using stairsplus fail now, except technic |
10:50 |
Calinou |
stairs not showing in creative inv == intended to prevent having too many pages in creative inv |
10:50 |
VanessaE |
yea but that seriously breaks the ability to *use* them |
10:50 |
VanessaE |
this is bad |
10:51 |
Calinou |
I can craft things in creative :P |
10:51 |
Calinou |
at least with unified_inventory |
10:51 |
VanessaE |
please, undo that change |
10:52 |
Calinou |
looks like I can't stack slabs/stairs in creative though |
10:52 |
Calinou |
oops, not stairs |
10:52 |
Calinou |
i'll do that then |
10:52 |
VanessaE |
it worked in RBA's version of stairsplus |
10:52 |
VanessaE |
and was incredibly handy |
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10:55 |
Calinou |
done |
10:55 |
VanessaE |
which part was done? :-) |
10:55 |
Calinou |
I have 12 pages of unified_inventory now (my modpack + default mods) |
10:55 |
Calinou |
putting stairs and stuff in creative inv |
10:56 |
VanessaE |
pff. I have 22...without the fixed stairsplus :-) |
10:56 |
VanessaE |
oh ok |
10:56 |
Calinou |
gave me an idea: a button could hide stairs and stuff when needed :P |
10:56 |
VanessaE |
what about the unknown items issue? |
10:58 |
Calinou |
digging slabs in creative = no unknown items |
10:58 |
VanessaE |
place, say, a technic concrete 1/4 slab. dig it up. -> Unknown Item. |
10:58 |
Calinou |
no unknown items in survival too |
10:58 |
Calinou |
oh I'm not using technic :P |
11:00 |
VanessaE |
are the slabs stackable again? |
11:03 |
Calinou |
no |
11:03 |
VanessaE |
:( |
11:03 |
Calinou |
no idea how I broke it |
11:03 |
Calinou |
it's probably because of infinite items |
11:03 |
VanessaE |
those are so handy too |
11:03 |
VanessaE |
nonono |
11:04 |
VanessaE |
not that |
11:04 |
Calinou |
are you sure? |
11:04 |
VanessaE |
I mean, place a 1/4 slab, then point at the top and place another |
11:04 |
VanessaE |
you should get a 1/2 slab |
11:04 |
Calinou |
I think the code checks whether you have (old amount of items) - 1 |
11:04 |
Calinou |
yes |
11:04 |
VanessaE |
then 3/4 slab, then a whole block. |
11:04 |
Calinou |
it's the infinite items |
11:04 |
VanessaE |
worked fine in Unified Inventory |
11:04 |
VanessaE |
(which is not infinite) |
11:04 |
Calinou |
but in creative you don't have (old amount of items) -1 |
11:04 |
Calinou |
I use unified_inventory and I have infinite items |
11:04 |
Calinou |
I use latest git |
11:05 |
Calinou |
(of minetest and minetest_game) |
11:05 |
VanessaE |
odd |
11:05 |
VanessaE |
oh wait |
11:05 |
VanessaE |
you're using UI, not technic+UI |
11:05 |
VanessaE |
it was merged |
11:16 |
* VanessaE |
loads up the update... |
11:16 |
VanessaE |
yay, slabs/stairs are back |
11:16 |
VanessaE |
still getting unknown items. |
11:17 |
VanessaE |
still can't stack them vertically :( |
11:18 |
* Calinou |
puts a kitten on the late PilzAdam's head |
11:18 |
VanessaE |
also: |
11:19 |
VanessaE |
take stairs:xxxxx out of the creative inventory - only leave stairsplus:xxxxx |
11:19 |
VanessaE |
otherwise you end up with duplicates of stuff like cobble, stone, brick, etc. stairs |
11:24 |
Calinou |
k |
11:25 |
Calinou |
crappy hack done :3 |
11:25 |
VanessaE |
\o/ |
11:25 |
Calinou |
shouldn't matter much anyway |
11:26 |
Calinou |
(this makes old wood stairs "cracky" -- you aren't supposed to use them anyway) |
11:26 |
VanessaE |
heh |
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Infinity_69 |
hi |
11:28 |
Calinou |
have to go now, lunch, bye |
11:28 |
VanessaE |
ok |
11:28 |
Infinity_69 |
hi VanessaE |
11:28 |
Infinity_69 |
Excess Flood? |
11:28 |
Infinity_69 |
da fuq?! |
11:28 |
Infinity_69 |
did he ACTUALLY flood? |
11:28 |
VanessaE |
his standard signoff. |
11:29 |
Infinity_69 |
since when does Cal flood? |
11:29 |
Infinity_69 |
wut? |
11:29 |
Infinity_69 |
so thats how he always does it? |
11:31 |
Infinity_69 |
so, how ya been, vanessae? |
11:31 |
VanessaE |
eh. |
11:32 |
Infinity_69 |
o.O |
11:32 |
Infinity_69 |
how do i set char encode to urf-8? |
11:33 |
Infinity_69 |
me no remember... |
11:33 |
VanessaE |
no idea |
11:33 |
Infinity_69 |
ubSmart |
11:33 |
Infinity_69 |
oh... |
11:34 |
Infinity_69 |
got it :D |
11:34 |
Infinity_69 |
<meta charset="utf-8"> |
11:34 |
Infinity_69 |
:) |
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11:47 |
Infinity_69 |
i need somebody who knows both english and russian skills |
11:47 |
Infinity_69 |
im making a website in 3 languages: Estonian, English and Russian |
11:47 |
Infinity_69 |
or should i use gTranslate? |
11:49 |
Infinity_69 |
it would be easier, yet quality will be drawn down :/ |
11:49 |
Infinity_69 |
alot |
11:49 |
Infinity_69 |
i need help with russian only, because im great at english and estonian, because im from Estonia... |
11:51 |
Infinity_69 |
VanessaE, where are you from? |
11:51 |
VanessaE |
US. |
11:51 |
Infinity_69 |
rly? |
11:51 |
Infinity_69 |
C |
11:51 |
Infinity_69 |
O |
11:51 |
Infinity_69 |
O |
11:51 |
Infinity_69 |
L |
11:51 |
Infinity_69 |
:D |
11:52 |
Infinity_69 |
how good is your russian? |
11:52 |
VanessaE |
I only speak English. |
11:52 |
Infinity_69 |
oh :/ |
11:59 |
Infinity_69 |
but do you know anybody who could help? |
12:00 |
Infinity_69 |
g2g |
12:00 |
Infinity_69 |
cya later |
12:01 |
thexyz |
well |
12:02 |
thexyz |
it's not like i know any "english and russian skills" |
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Infinity_69 |
hi\ |
12:53 |
Infinity_69 |
ima bea back'a :D |
12:54 |
Infinity_69 |
VanessaE, hi :) |
12:56 |
xming |
is there a way to have a dedicated server without dpendencies on renderer, output, ... (irr, mesa and xorg)? |
12:57 |
Infinity_69 |
ugh... |
12:57 |
Infinity_69 |
I HAVE NO IDEA! |
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Infinity_69 |
bye yall |
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celeron55 |
xming: yes |
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celeron55 |
xming: you need the irrlicht headers to build one |
13:24 |
celeron55 |
but not the library, and none of it's dependencies (obviously) |
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celeron55 |
something like -DIRRLICHT_SOURCE_DIR=/wherever/you/unzipped/the/source to cmake should do the job |
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celeron55 |
(IIRC) |
13:26 |
celeron55 |
and -DBUILD_CLIENT=0 to make it build only the server |
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Kacey |
hello all |
14:28 |
RealBadAngel |
hello #minetest |
14:39 |
RealBadAngel |
ping |
14:39 |
Kacey |
pong |
14:39 |
RealBadAngel |
i saw so many joins but then silence |
14:39 |
RealBadAngel |
started to wonder if my conn is alive lol |
14:39 |
Kacey |
haha |
14:40 |
RealBadAngel |
ive pushed Nores frame code to technic |
14:41 |
RealBadAngel |
i was doing frames nodeboxes whole last night |
14:41 |
RealBadAngel |
and i think theyre great |
14:44 |
RealBadAngel |
of course i had to build automatic quarry with frames, frame motors, nodebreakers, tubes and mesecons |
14:44 |
RealBadAngel |
all the stuff starts to work with each other pretty nicely |
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Kacey |
cool |
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RealBadAngel |
http://i.imgur.com/7KS3xoY.jpg |
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RealBadAngel |
soon we will have in minetest flyin, moving vehicles, houses, quarries etc |
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RealBadAngel |
all controlled by mesecons |
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RealBadAngel |
and by vehicles i dont mean carts |
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14:53 |
RealBadAngel |
powered machines with lotsa control logic, big as creator want it to be |
14:53 |
RealBadAngel |
ofc we will need remote control for them too |
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Kacey |
we (kinda) have that |
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meldrian |
hello @all |
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PilzAdam |
Hello everyone! |
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meldrian |
hi PilzAdam |
15:54 |
mauvebic |
coffee? |
15:56 |
meldrian |
yes please, sugar, no milk ^^ |
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mauvebic |
hazlenut blend :-) |
16:02 |
mauvebic |
it was actually cheaper than house blend which tastes like horse's ass anyhoo :p |
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16:18 |
RealBadAngel |
mit rum bitte |
16:19 |
RealBadAngel |
hi PilzAdam, mauvebic |
16:20 |
PilzAdam |
hey RBA |
16:21 |
RealBadAngel |
and hi Calinou |
16:21 |
RealBadAngel |
Nore just made frames code |
16:21 |
RealBadAngel |
i dont know really this guy, but hes good |
16:22 |
RealBadAngel |
he pushed further my tubes code and now popped up with frames |
16:24 |
RealBadAngel |
damn if mt could have 20 coders like him... |
16:25 |
PilzAdam |
can you point me to some code of him? |
16:25 |
RealBadAngel |
go to my hithub, choose technic, and frames.lua |
16:26 |
RealBadAngel |
i just added nodeboxes to frames instead of temporary solution |
16:26 |
marktraceur |
VanessaE: Did you ever fix the licensing of the dyes mod? |
16:26 |
RealBadAngel |
wtfpl |
16:27 |
RealBadAngel |
theres nothin to fix |
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marktraceur |
RealBadAngel: Your lack of imagination isn't required in this conversation, thanks |
16:28 |
RealBadAngel |
im not just strict as you |
16:28 |
RealBadAngel |
we do code for community |
16:29 |
mauvebic |
hi Rba |
16:29 |
RealBadAngel |
and we dont care bout licences |
16:29 |
RealBadAngel |
in fact we are forced to pick ones |
16:29 |
marktraceur |
RealBadAngel: Yeah, well, I care about things that could potentially cause me legal issues in the future. The fact that you're totally uninterested in following the law isn't my problem. |
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RealBadAngel |
you could have problems because of the code i wrote? or vanessa? |
16:30 |
mauvebic |
legal issues for you how? |
16:30 |
RealBadAngel |
R O T F L |
16:30 |
marktraceur |
mauvebic: The licensing is ambiguous, if I follow it incorrectly it's my problem. |
16:30 |
marktraceur |
RealBadAngel: You find that funny, eh? |
16:31 |
RealBadAngel |
marktraceur, its funny indeed |
16:31 |
mauvebic |
ok well when's the last time you used someone else's code here in MT? |
16:31 |
RealBadAngel |
it means somebody is "twisted" here |
16:31 |
marktraceur |
RealBadAngel: Laugh quietly to yourself and quit disrupting my conversations. |
16:31 |
marktraceur |
mauvebic: Every time I start the game? |
16:32 |
mauvebic |
im talking about modding |
16:32 |
marktraceur |
mauvebic: Not really what I'm talking about, though. |
16:32 |
RealBadAngel |
when i use some1's code i let the community know that im not the original author |
16:33 |
RealBadAngel |
i credit him |
16:33 |
mauvebic |
i can understand that licensing is an issue if you write mods and borrow code to do it, but i havent seen any new mods from you lately so i dont see why licensing is an issue for you |
16:33 |
RealBadAngel |
and expect the same |
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marktraceur |
mauvebic: Fun fact, licensing is for people who *run code* too. |
16:33 |
* Calinou |
makes a song out of mauvebic's code then plays it in a shop |
16:33 |
RealBadAngel |
and thats all. just be kind to others |
16:34 |
Calinou |
"minetest, register node, hydroculture, plant" |
16:34 |
marktraceur |
RealBadAngel: yeah that's not how licenses work. |
16:34 |
RealBadAngel |
so fuck them |
16:34 |
mauvebic |
well youre the only one who cares about the license of the mods you're playing with, everyone else only checks when they need to borrow something |
16:34 |
marktraceur |
In any case, VanessaE, there are issues with your licensing and I need you to either fix it or change the license. Thanks. |
16:34 |
mauvebic |
and even then, some people ignore it |
16:34 |
marktraceur |
mauvebic: Illegally, yes. |
16:35 |
mauvebic |
what are you gonna dom, sue them? |
16:35 |
mauvebic |
*do |
16:35 |
marktraceur |
RealBadAngel: They're pretty important for preserving the rights of the users, actually, so I make sure they're used properly and followed. |
16:35 |
RealBadAngel |
it doesnt work this way in the community |
16:35 |
mauvebic |
rubenwardy, remind us how much merchandising has raised so far? lol |
16:35 |
marktraceur |
RealBadAngel: It works this way in *the legal system*. The community doesn't get to change that. |
16:35 |
RealBadAngel |
if one will continously steal the others code |
16:35 |
RealBadAngel |
and claim hes an author... |
16:36 |
RealBadAngel |
you can guess what will happen |
16:36 |
RealBadAngel |
we wont sue him for sure |
16:36 |
RealBadAngel |
gtfo and good bye |
16:36 |
celeron55 |
licenses don't matter in the short term, but in the long term they will shape everything |
16:37 |
markveidemanis |
WHAT THE... |
16:37 |
markveidemanis |
http://servers.minetest.ru/ |
16:37 |
mauvebic |
well right now it just sounds like you're bullying people into chosing the license of *your* choice |
16:37 |
markveidemanis |
click my servers link |
16:37 |
markveidemanis |
spanich |
16:37 |
markveidemanis |
spanisk |
16:37 |
markveidemanis |
nvm |
16:37 |
celeron55 |
if you set up the right licenses, then more can build upon your work and things can become big and considerable in the scale of the world |
16:37 |
Calinou |
<Qt developers' seal of approval> |
16:37 |
celeron55 |
if not, then it's bound to be just hobby stuff of random people; no chance of anything else |
16:38 |
RealBadAngel |
celeron55, but hes apparently against wtfpl |
16:38 |
Calinou |
<gnash seal of approval> |
16:38 |
mauvebic |
my last commented wasn't directed at celeron rather mark |
16:38 |
marktraceur |
RealBadAngel: I didn't say that. I said I didn't need your input. |
16:38 |
celeron55 |
RealBadAngel: why would he be? |
16:38 |
marktraceur |
RealBadAngel: VanessaE has chosen to license it under GPL, and I'm cool with that. She just needs to do it right. |
16:38 |
RealBadAngel |
its not the first time we talk bout this |
16:38 |
mauvebic |
i think there should be a rule about letting people chose wtv license without intimidation |
16:39 |
RealBadAngel |
i say hes too strict just, its an open source and community project |
16:40 |
RealBadAngel |
we do not earn money here, we do not work here |
16:40 |
mauvebic |
and we dont have bosses here :p |
16:40 |
marktraceur |
RealBadAngel: You don't think I know that? I'm just trying to make sure someone can't come in and mess with others' code against their wishes. |
16:40 |
celeron55 |
i demand 1) clear licensing, 2) licensing that does not have NC clauses |
16:40 |
mauvebic |
seriously sometimes i get less shit for my paid work lol |
16:40 |
celeron55 |
i don't support anything where those aren't met |
16:41 |
mauvebic |
well im gonna keep using NC |
16:41 |
mauvebic |
pay me to change it |
16:41 |
khonkhortisan |
You wouldn't support my stuff just because of 1) |
16:41 |
Calinou |
why would we sell your mod |
16:41 |
celeron55 |
mauvebic: sell your mod yourself; it's not my problem |
16:41 |
mauvebic |
but thats the point, im not selling it and neither should anyone else |
16:41 |
PilzAdam |
new win32 gettext build: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=68666 |
16:42 |
mauvebic |
nor do i want to get sued if someone else does |
16:42 |
RealBadAngel |
pointed |
16:42 |
celeron55 |
mauvebic: somebody might want to host it on a website with advertisements, and at that time (being any time in 100 years) there wouldn't be any other minetest-focused website |
16:42 |
celeron55 |
mauvebic: do you disapprove that? |
16:42 |
celeron55 |
because advertisements are commercial |
16:43 |
RealBadAngel |
we do have adblock..... |
16:43 |
mauvebic |
so the ideal solution would be to add a clause exempting website ads, |
16:43 |
mauvebic |
without chosing a license that lands me in hot water later |
16:43 |
RealBadAngel |
what was the last time you saw a commercial here? |
16:43 |
khonkhortisan |
I and half my immediate family has adblock |
16:43 |
celeron55 |
mauvebic: there are many other such possible situations |
16:43 |
Calinou |
same :> |
16:43 |
mauvebic |
heres my take: |
16:43 |
mauvebic |
star trek doesn't care that i used 5-6 of their LCARS stuff as computers in minetest |
16:44 |
mauvebic |
but if someone makes money off that somehow, i could be held liable for damages |
16:44 |
mauvebic |
im doing this for fun, not for legal troubles |
16:44 |
marktraceur |
Protip, don't use copyrighted material in your works. |
16:44 |
mauvebic |
oh please, |
16:45 |
celeron55 |
mauvebic: here is my take: simply: use CC BY-SA; this gives eveyrone the possibility to distribute your mods and even sell them, but now look: if they sell them, you can sell them too; just add a lower price and there you go - also, if somebody does modifications to them and not depending on whether they sell it or not, they are forced to license everything they have done under CC BY-SA, which gives you the right to just take it |
16:45 |
mauvebic |
minecraft is a paid game and theyve done much more with their mods |
16:45 |
celeron55 |
and this all with none of advertisement-like problems |
16:45 |
celeron55 |
there simply is no sane reason to not do so |
16:46 |
RealBadAngel |
if some1 can organize the situation around him, "force" folks to cliks his paid links |
16:46 |
celeron55 |
mauvebic: minecraft has much more stuff in mods because it is like 100 thousand times more popular, which makes the amount of skilled coders around it hundreds of times more too |
16:46 |
RealBadAngel |
it means simply hes good at it |
16:46 |
RealBadAngel |
and it has nothin to do with our code |
16:47 |
RealBadAngel |
look at DireWolf20 @ youtube |
16:47 |
mauvebic |
i cant imagine a situation where anyone makes any money from this though, so there's no realistic reason to do it either |
16:47 |
RealBadAngel |
hes makin minecraft let's plays |
16:47 |
marktraceur |
mauvebic: Just because you can't come up with a business plan doesn't mean you should restrict others from doing so |
16:47 |
RealBadAngel |
lemme check how many views has he right now |
16:48 |
RealBadAngel |
134,587 subscribers |
16:48 |
RealBadAngel |
41,459,637 video views |
16:48 |
mauvebic |
dont get me wrong minetest is a great game, but there are 2 competing commercial products, one of which is a generation ahead of both (blockscape), those are more likely to make money |
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jordach |
hello all |
16:48 |
mauvebic |
its not about business plans at that point |
16:48 |
celeron55 |
mauvebic: also what do you think it will do to your user base if somebody manages to sell your mod? it will go WAY up, because otherwise it isn't viable to sell it |
16:49 |
celeron55 |
and you get the credit because of BY-SA |
16:49 |
jordach |
so i saw 'griefer fail' in the logs... |
16:49 |
celeron55 |
they can't sell it as theirs |
16:49 |
jordach |
:P |
16:49 |
jordach |
celeron55, got anywhere with the ghetto mod? |
16:49 |
celeron55 |
jordach: no, it was a joke |
16:50 |
jordach |
:P |
16:50 |
mauvebic |
ill tell you what, the day someone comes up with a plan for all of us to earn a little scratch off our mods, then ill chose an appropriate license |
16:50 |
celeron55 |
i'm now focusing here on arguing with people that are wrong |
16:50 |
RealBadAngel |
anyway, my code is free to use, when some1 asks for takin it. and when i do the same |
16:50 |
marktraceur |
celeron55: Better to save your arguments for people who are wrong and not morons |
16:50 |
celeron55 |
marktraceur: i'm starting to figure that |
16:51 |
jordach |
celeron55 http://xkcd.com/386/ |
16:51 |
marktraceur |
It's seductive to argue with fools, because people who aren't fools aren't usually wrong |
16:51 |
mauvebic |
<marktraceur> ... and not morons |
16:51 |
jordach |
also: i nearly posted the WRONG link... |
16:51 |
marktraceur |
But after any conversation with a fool, they'll go right on being fools. |
16:51 |
celeron55 |
marktraceur: too true |
16:51 |
mauvebic |
somehow doesn't fee threatening coming from a guy who spends most his energies on IRC |
16:51 |
jordach |
like LM |
16:51 |
mauvebic |
*feel |
16:52 |
* jordach |
slithers away |
16:52 |
marktraceur |
jordach: LM isn't a fool, just misguided. |
16:52 |
jordach |
plot twist: lm has autism and adhd |
16:52 |
marktraceur |
jordach: How do you figure? |
16:53 |
RealBadAngel |
c55 called him even usefull, because he finds security holes quickly ;) |
16:53 |
jordach |
considering he seems to be hyperactive |
16:53 |
jordach |
and has no social control |
16:53 |
jordach |
and possibly a psychological issue.. |
16:54 |
marktraceur |
jordach: Everyone has psychological issues. It's just a question of whether it rises to the level of disorder. |
16:54 |
jordach |
markt, possibly..we dont know |
16:54 |
khonkhortisan |
*sob* I don't have issues! |
16:54 |
marktraceur |
khonkhortisan: Do you have a brain? |
16:54 |
marktraceur |
Or rather, a mind? |
16:54 |
* jordach |
hands khonkhortisan a kitten |
16:54 |
RealBadAngel |
now you have ;) |
16:55 |
jordach |
rba, HA! |
16:58 |
* marktraceur |
doesn't get it |
17:00 |
khonkhortisan |
My saying I don't have issues contradicts the *sob*, and having a kitten means I have to feed it, clean the litter, walk it, water it, and other pet stuff |
17:01 |
jordach |
khonkhortisan you dony walk a kitten |
17:02 |
jordach |
dont* |
17:02 |
khonkhortisan |
okay. I'm more of a dog person, and don't walk my dog either |
17:03 |
jordach |
cats tend to walk themselves |
17:06 |
markveidemanis |
Yop |
17:06 |
markveidemanis |
My server is back up on a new VPS |
17:08 |
markveidemanis |
I have a challenge for someone |
17:08 |
markveidemanis |
To make a lighter minetest |
17:09 |
markveidemanis |
Just stone, grass,dirt,cobble,coal,iron and coal lump + iron lump and ingot |
17:09 |
markveidemanis |
no furnaces |
17:09 |
PilzAdam |
http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3441 |
17:09 |
markveidemanis |
much less than that |
17:10 |
markveidemanis |
i mean split second start time on a netbook |
17:11 |
markveidemanis |
Thats the game, i mean the core |
17:14 |
xming |
celeron55: ty, then server built won |
17:15 |
xming |
need irrlicght lib? |
17:16 |
markveidemanis |
Someone make a camera mod. |
17:16 |
markveidemanis |
spy cam |
17:18 |
xming |
celeron55: nvm, just built it, and horray |
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markveidemanis |
http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3954 |
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markveidemanis |
http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=68672#p68672 |
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khonkhortisan |
Using AND, NOT, & replacing OR with two diodes, mesecons do not behave the same as an equal circuit in logisim. |
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khonkhortisan |
That really bugs me that it's the same circuit but it behaves differently. |
18:22 |
celeron55 |
khonkhortisan: is it a timing issue? |
18:23 |
khonkhortisan |
probably. |
18:23 |
celeron55 |
then you can't really blame anyone :P |
18:25 |
khonkhortisan |
The shorter (by both number of gates and wire distance) path should arrive first |
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khonkhortisan |
By adding print into the microcontroller, I'm seeing the other path getting there first. |
18:39 |
khonkhortisan |
In Logisim, each wire takes 0 time and each gate takes 1 time. In mesecons, I really don't know how it works. |
18:39 |
RealBadAngel |
so maybe "lazy and" could be a solution? |
18:40 |
RealBadAngel |
that can eliminate signal lags |
18:41 |
RealBadAngel |
or try delayers on some singal lines |
18:44 |
khonkhortisan |
A delayer would work. |
18:45 |
khonkhortisan |
I have a button and multiple sections. The button is supposed to go into the first section on first press, second section on second press, and so on. Each section has an output signal for when it's done. |
18:46 |
khonkhortisan |
My microcontroller takes a signal from the button and from the previous section and only gives a signal to the next section if the button was press a _new_ time after the previous section was done. |
18:46 |
khonkhortisan |
The button signal is supposed to arrive before the done-section signal, but they are arriving in the wrong order. I'll just add a delayer to every done-section signal. |
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khonkhortisan |
The delayer works right, but I'm going to change it so I don't even need the done-section signal. |
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khonkhortisan |
It is no longer be a timing issue, it's that I don't know how to store/read µC memory |
18:59 |
khonkhortisan |
ugh. on(1) doesn't work, but sbi(1,1) does. |
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19:06 |
markveidemanis |
Hi |
19:06 |
khonkhortisan |
hello |
19:07 |
markveidemanis |
I need a website designer |
19:07 |
brandy |
hey markvei |
19:07 |
markveidemanis |
Hi |
19:07 |
brandy |
hru? |
19:07 |
markveidemanis |
Do you have dreamweaver? |
19:07 |
markveidemanis |
il show you what i done so far... |
19:08 |
markveidemanis |
Ive screwed this up... |
19:08 |
markveidemanis |
someone help! |
19:08 |
markveidemanis |
il upload it and can someone plz fix it. |
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brandy |
I dont know computers at all or I would, sorry |
19:09 |
markveidemanis |
k |
19:09 |
markveidemanis |
Who can? |
19:10 |
khonkhortisan |
not me, I don't have that program |
19:11 |
marktraceur |
OK |
19:11 |
marktraceur |
markveidemanis: You've been lied to, Dreamweaver isn't necessary for web programming. |
19:11 |
marktraceur |
markveidemanis: Upload your source code somewhere and we can look at it. |
19:11 |
khonkhortisan |
I use a simple text editor and my os's web setup |
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rotor112 |
minetest.org works again |
19:18 |
* rotor112 |
says hi |
19:18 |
thexyz |
vim is necessary for |
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sapier1 |
hello anyone here used to mesecon mod? |
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19:22 |
Jeija |
hmmm... me? |
19:22 |
PilzAdam |
nah, I dont think so... :-) |
19:22 |
sapier |
ohhh :-) ... can you tell me in short what changes to api have been done in last hmm 6 weeks? |
19:24 |
Jeija |
well, a lot; the whole definition of conductor/receptor/effector now is in the node definition (see http://mesecons.net/developers.php for reference) and the old functions like register_conductor etc. have been removed |
19:24 |
sapier |
will this be stable ? |
19:24 |
khonkhortisan |
RealBadAngel, ERROR: An unhandled exception occurred: LuaError: error: ...e/.minetest/mods/minetest/technic/technic/rubber.lua:111: attempt to call method 'spawn_tree' (a nil value) |
19:24 |
Jeija |
I will support for at least 1 year, maybe forever |
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19:25 |
sapier |
great :-) I don't like to update mods just using switch feature once a month ;-) |
19:26 |
Jeija |
That update was just badly needed, because when I started writing the mod more than I year ago I didn't know lua at all; This new version is now very clean |
19:27 |
PilzAdam |
(suggested by PilzAdam) |
19:27 |
PilzAdam |
:-) |
19:27 |
sapier |
I know I've rewritten mobf more than once |
19:28 |
Jeija |
nah, PilzAdam, I originally had that design in (an unreleased version of) digilines before, but you were the one who made me add it to mesecons |
19:28 |
sapier |
don't bother pilzadam claims any mod for his own ;-P |
19:29 |
PilzAdam |
not mobf, I have simple mobs :-) |
19:29 |
sapier |
which are by any means all from simple compared to what you need to write to have a mobf mob |
19:30 |
sapier |
that simple is a kind of false promise ;-) |
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19:30 |
sapier |
still my conductors don't work ... seams I'll have to dig deeper to find out what has changed ... |
19:30 |
Jeija |
can you paste the code somewhere? |
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19:32 |
sapier |
I assume it's something with delayed mesecon initialization contained in this mod ... I'll have to look for myself as I haven't worked on this code for sometime |
19:33 |
marktraceur |
wahitdoesntwork: That's a foreboding nickname choice, mate |
19:33 |
khonkhortisan |
aka whywontthiswork |
19:33 |
Jeija |
Shouldn't matter when mesecons is initialized, it will read the nodes' mesecons definition when required |
19:36 |
khonkhortisan |
who needs ands, nots, and ors when we have microcontrollers :P |
19:37 |
sapier |
who needs microcontrolers running on top of a multicore cpu? ;-P |
19:39 |
khonkhortisan |
Can on(1) and off(1) please do the same thing as sbi(1,1) and sbi(1,0)? |
19:39 |
sapier |
jeija whats wrong with this code? |
19:40 |
sapier |
http://pastebin.com/GCcd0d5q |
19:40 |
khonkhortisan |
I know |
19:40 |
khonkhortisan |
mesecons = { conductor = { state = ... |
19:41 |
khonkhortisan |
you need another array in between mesecons and state |
19:41 |
sapier |
ok :-) thx |
19:41 |
khonkhortisan |
conductor or effector or receptor |
19:42 |
khonkhortisan |
mesecons/mesecons/init.lua shows that structure |
19:43 |
khonkhortisan |
wahitdoesntwork connected to his own server and every node has a strong red tint |
19:43 |
sapier |
hmm doesn't work either |
19:43 |
wahitdoesntwork |
I think I'm in a volcano or something |
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sapier |
is there anything I need to do if my mod doesn't have mesecon as hard dependency? |
19:47 |
khonkhortisan |
be careful running functions? |
19:48 |
sapier |
related to conductors ;-P |
19:48 |
khonkhortisan |
you need "state = mesecon.state.on," |
19:49 |
sapier |
can't use this with non hard dependency there's written "on" and "off" do work too is this dtill correct jeija? |
19:50 |
khonkhortisan |
you may or may not need a rules = { |
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sapier |
I don't want any special thins ... btw mesecon lines seem to connect to my conductors they just don't switch them |
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wahitdoesntwork |
are all the blocks supposed to be that red color? |
20:09 |
PilzAdam |
turn shaders off |
20:10 |
sapier |
I promise to call a mob after that person that fixes that damn texture bug on relogin it's just a pain in the ass |
20:11 |
mauvebic |
i can send brownies to such an end |
20:11 |
mauvebic |
maybe even hookers? |
20:11 |
Jeija |
sapier, can you paste the code? |
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sapier |
I've found the bug thanks jeija .. now I'm looking for reaton why some of my nodes aren't in creative inventory but this is another problem |
20:13 |
Jeija |
ok |
20:13 |
sapier |
but if someone has an idea :- |
20:13 |
sapier |
) |
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khonkhortisan |
should be in there as long as you have no groups = {not_in_creative_inventory = 1}, |
20:15 |
mauvebic |
you got both a description and you checked the groups? |
20:15 |
wahitdoesntwork |
thanks pilzadam, that made everything stop being red |
20:15 |
sapier |
hmmmm ... case sensitive variable names am I right? :-/ |
20:16 |
mauvebic |
should be description = 'node name', |
20:16 |
mauvebic |
creative skips nodes that dont have that field too |
20:16 |
khonkhortisan |
I think you don't need the mesecon group anymore |
20:17 |
sapier |
case sensitive ... yes |
20:19 |
sapier |
thanks mauvebic i had Description for some nodes instead of description |
20:20 |
mauvebic |
its weird how some things are case sensitive by default and others arent lol |
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wahitdoesntwork |
what does 'ERROR[main]: Some exception: "Access violation"' mean? |
20:26 |
khonkhortisan |
you timed out |
20:26 |
sapier |
minetest tried to read memory that didn't belong to it |
20:26 |
khonkhortisan |
but that's not what it means |
20:26 |
wahitdoesntwork |
why would it do that? |
20:27 |
* khonkhortisan |
wonders if it would be useful for µCs to have buttons to flip/rotate every occurance of ports ABCD in the program. |
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Traxie21 |
Hello |
20:27 |
khonkhortisan |
hello |
20:28 |
wahitdoesntwork |
hello |
20:28 |
Traxie21 |
Can someone who knows a lot about lua help me with something? |
20:28 |
Traxie21 |
It ought to be simple |
20:28 |
khonkhortisan |
maybe. |
20:28 |
wahitdoesntwork |
I haven't used Lua much since I played Foldit |
20:30 |
wahitdoesntwork |
this game has so much fog I can't even see 3 blocks ahead of me |
20:31 |
Traxie21 |
Here |
20:31 |
Traxie21 |
http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=68712#p68712 |
20:35 |
PilzAdam |
bye |
20:36 |
mauvebic |
im not crazy about the bright-white fog in the -Y range lol |
20:37 |
wahitdoesntwork |
all the blocks were white because of the fog |
20:43 |
Muadtralk |
you try disabling fog? |
20:43 |
Muadtralk |
or shift+ ing? |
20:44 |
wahitdoesntwork |
looks like the fog distance was set to about 25 or 35 when I pressed shift + |
20:47 |
wahitdoesntwork |
traxie21: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7964850/how-to-convert-string-into-a-table |
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wahitdoesntwork |
it's as simple as _G[tablename] |
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khonkhortisan |
How do I make a delayer keep a signal from changing too fast? (both on and off) |
21:17 |
khonkhortisan |
ANDing the ends together only keeps it from turning on too fast |
21:24 |
khonkhortisan |
never mind, I'll use xor sets. |
21:25 |
khonkhortisan |
if(A~C)sbi(B,A); |
21:26 |
khonkhortisan |
whoops, if(!A~C)sbi(B,A); |
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21:35 |
M13 |
hello, i keep getting this error when I try to compile: http://pastebin.com/NHefWQsv |
21:35 |
M13 |
can someone help |
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21:38 |
marktraceur |
M13: Did you install the dependencies? |
21:40 |
thexyz |
I had same problem once |
21:41 |
thexyz |
what version of minetest are you trying to compile, M13? |
21:47 |
M13 |
0.3.1 |
21:48 |
M13 |
it does it with all the versions 0.4-dev and bellow |
21:48 |
thexyz |
>/home/student/Desktop/minetest-0.4-dev |
21:48 |
thexyz |
well |
21:48 |
M13 |
lol |
21:48 |
M13 |
yeah that was a exanple |
21:48 |
M13 |
example |
21:48 |
M13 |
OldCoder fixed it once |
21:48 |
M13 |
he added a include to filesys.c |
21:49 |
M13 |
i forgot what it was |
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thexyz |
M13: try adding #include <unistd.h> |
21:50 |
thexyz |
somewhere.. |
21:53 |
M13 |
thanks that worked |
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OldCoder |
Hi |
22:15 |
Uberi |
hey OldCoder |
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OldCoder |
Uberi, my U.S. worlds are restarted. Comments are welcome. |
22:18 |
OldCoder |
Need to test them |
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meldrian |
good night everyone |
22:40 |
berome |
_0/ |
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NekoGloop |
Meow. |
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22:46 |
Traxie21 |
Help needed |
22:47 |
Uberi |
what's up? |
22:47 |
Traxie21 |
I need to refrence a subtable |
22:47 |
Traxie21 |
EG: _G[var..'[sub]'] |
22:47 |
Traxie21 |
But It wont work, I can't find a way to make it work |
22:48 |
Uberi |
a subtable? |
22:48 |
Uberi |
please explain |
22:48 |
Traxie21 |
do you know lua? |
22:48 |
Exio |
something==var..'[sub]' + _G[something]? |
22:48 |
Traxie21 |
erm |
22:48 |
Traxie21 |
I doubt that would work |
22:49 |
Traxie21 |
I asked here more specific: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=68722#p68722 |
22:50 |
Uberi |
erm, where is the question |
22:50 |
Traxie21 |
Bottom of that post? |
22:51 |
Uberi |
ooh, _G[group].privs |
22:51 |
Uberi |
or _G[group][whatever] |
22:52 |
Traxie21 |
ok |
22:53 |
Traxie21 |
That worked Uberi, TYVVVMMM |
22:53 |
VanessaE |
Thank you very very very much much much ? |
22:53 |
VanessaE |
:-) |
22:53 |
Uberi |
no problem :) |
22:54 |
Traxie21 |
Yep vanessa |
22:54 |
Traxie21 |
Problem? |
22:54 |
VanessaE |
nope :-) |
22:54 |
Traxie21 |
Btw, I finished the Gateway to the far lands basic structure |
22:54 |
VanessaE |
I saw, looks beautiful |
22:54 |
Traxie21 |
Needs more detailing, I'm too lazy ATM |
22:54 |
Traxie21 |
:3 |
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VanessaE |
sign on so I can make you the owner thereof :-) |
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Traxie21 |
one sec |
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M13 |
thexyz |
23:13 |
M13 |
what was that include? |
23:14 |
khonkhortisan |
I ran both a multiplayer and singleplayer server on the same map and I didn't lose any changes I made with the singleplayer client. |
23:14 |
Exio |
#include <unistd.h> |
23:14 |
Exio |
M13: ^ |
23:14 |
M13 |
cool thanks Exio |
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23:22 |
Kacey |
hey guys |
23:24 |
berome |
hi Kacey |
23:29 |
* Kacey |
is bored |
23:31 |
marktraceur |
Kacey: Make something cool |
23:31 |
Kacey |
like RAM? |
23:31 |
marktraceur |
Sure. |
23:31 |
Kacey |
i already made that lol |
23:32 |
Uberi |
how big is a cell? |
23:32 |
Uberi |
of ram, I mean |
23:32 |
Exio |
build a 286 computer in minetest using mesecons |
23:32 |
Exio |
then upgrade it to a 386 |
23:32 |
Exio |
and then compile minetest to 386 |
23:32 |
Kacey |
Uberi, ? |
23:32 |
marktraceur |
Then don't make that, make something else |
23:33 |
khonkhortisan |
I have a 7x6 connect four machine, where four in a row/column/diagonal is a win. That's 138 combinations, plus 1 for a full board. There should be an easier way to check for four in a row without having to specifically check every one. |
23:33 |
Kacey |
im not very good at mesecons |
23:33 |
khonkhortisan |
I'm good with mesecons, and microcontrollers, but not with circuits. |
23:34 |
Uberi |
khonkhortisan: luacontrollers have control flow! |
23:34 |
khonkhortisan |
? |
23:34 |
Kacey |
idk how to use luacontrollers |
23:34 |
Uberi |
what I'm saying is, a luacontroller can check for 4 in a row really easily |
23:34 |
khonkhortisan |
the "Command Block"? |
23:34 |
Kacey |
no |
23:34 |
M13 |
Kacey |
23:34 |
Uberi |
khonkhortisan: nah, the one in the new branch |
23:35 |
Uberi |
Lua powered ucs |
23:35 |
Kacey |
M13, what |
23:35 |
M13 |
pm |
23:35 |
khonkhortisan |
where's that? |
23:35 |
Uberi |
khonkhortisan: check the luacontrollers branch in gh |
23:36 |
Kacey |
anyone want to hop on my server and give me a tutorial? |
23:36 |
Uberi |
you need to download the branch first |
23:36 |
Uberi |
there's a tut included with the files |
23:36 |
khonkhortisan |
or extract a patch, whichever comes first |
23:37 |
khonkhortisan |
My creative inventory keeps swapping sides between left and right of regular inventory. |
23:37 |
NekoGloop |
It's dancing. |
23:39 |
khonkhortisan |
What server, Kacey? |
23:40 |
Kacey |
67.190.14.129 port 30000 |
23:41 |
Kacey |
!up 67.190.14.129 |
23:41 |
Minetest-tan |
67.190.14.129:30000 is up (0.295ms) |
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23:43 |
Kacey |
aah you are ther |
23:43 |
Kacey |
there* |
23:43 |
khonkhortisan |
89% there |
23:43 |
Menche |
? |
23:43 |
khonkhortisan |
You see me there before I see me there |
23:44 |
Menche |
minmy server doesn't like my client right now for some reason |
23:44 |
Menche |
*my |
23:45 |
M13 |
were can i get older minetest mods |
23:45 |
M13 |
like 0.4-dev-20120408 |
23:45 |
Uberi |
you mean older minetests? |
23:45 |
Uberi |
or mods |
23:46 |
M13 |
mods that run with the older minetest clients |
23:46 |
M13 |
older mods |
23:46 |
Uberi |
try the Old Mods forum |
23:46 |
M13 |
ok |
23:48 |
marktraceur |
Or check out a git repo and go back in time |
23:52 |
Kacey |
anyone know how to use luacontrollers |
23:53 |
Uberi |
yes, Kacey |
23:53 |
Kacey |
Uberi, can you give me a tutorial on them? |
23:53 |
Uberi |
read the included one |
23:53 |
Kacey |
where is it located? |
23:54 |
Uberi |
try searching for the pdf |
23:56 |
Kacey |
what is it called? |
23:57 |
Menche |
apparently pilzadam's simplemobs ignore climbable nodes |
23:57 |
Menche |
i had a shaft with a ladder and one fell down and died |
23:57 |
M13 |
mods.minetest.ru |
23:57 |
M13 |
i like this |
23:58 |
Uberi |
look around for any pdfs Kacey |
23:59 |
sapier |
menche climbable nodes aren't honored by any mob mod as far as I know ;-) |