IRC log for #minetest, 2012-11-26

Time	Nick	Message
00:00	NakedFury	OldCoder what mods or updates did you do for the servers? at least on 30000
00:00	VanessaE	ok, my test server now runs 0.4.4-release.
00:00	VanessaE	sign on, look around, grief the shit out of it (or not), and have fun.
00:01	Muadtralk	address?
00:01	VanessaE	24.181.193.82 port 30001
00:02	VanessaE	lots of mods = it'll take a long while to load.
00:02	VanessaE	blame celeron55 for the slow networking ;)
00:02	Uberi	I blame the internet
00:02	Muadtralk	even with my massive cache folder?
00:02	Uberi	yeah, the whole internet
00:02	VanessaE	well most of your cache should be valid.
00:02	VanessaE	if not all of it.
00:02	VanessaE	if it has the same md5's or whatever the client/server goes bt
00:02	VanessaE	by
00:03	OldCoder	NakedFury, quite a few
00:03	OldCoder	NakedFury, I'll summarize in a minute
00:03	Muadtralk	gah
00:03	Muadtralk	i need a different version
00:04	Muadtralk	im only one commit off :(
00:04	OldCoder	NakedFury, bug fix to handle a crash, Flowers update, Scaffolding, Secret Passage, Unified Bricks, unique 2D avatars for players, and more!
00:04	* OldCoder	bangs a drum!
00:05	NakedFury	and something with stairplus?
00:05	OldCoder	I don't think so
00:06	NakedFury	some blocks like the 1/4 stick type block turned into unknowns
00:07	NakedFury	I cant do super thin slabs or the other types
00:07	VanessaE	anyone know which mod is it that supplies the /spawn command?
00:07	VanessaE	(or any equivalent)
00:07	Muadtralk	I know how to make a /spawn command does that count?
00:08	Muadtralk	and i tihnk i remember
00:08	VanessaE	heh, no :-)
00:08	Muadtralk	let me fetch the link
00:08	VanessaE	and I'm too lazy to code a new mod to do it :-)
00:08	Muadtralk	http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=1203
00:08	NakedFury	a /spawn command could be added to default minetest game
00:09	Uberi	teleportation would be a bit gamebreaking IMO
00:10	Uberi	got lost? low on health? just teleport to spawn!
00:10	Muadtralk	isnt teleportation already in the default?
00:10	Uberi	yes, but it needs a priv
00:10	Uberi	the teleport priv, to be specific
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00:10	bulletrulz	hello
00:10	Muadtralk	yes and its a fairly harmless priv
00:11	Uberi	hi bulletrulz
00:11	Muadtralk	i mean unles you know exact coordinates its useless
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00:11	Uberi	Muadtralk: F5?
00:11	bulletrulz	jordan4ibanez, hi
00:11	bulletrulz	Uberi, hi
00:11	Muadtralk	and the only way you can get those is by going to the area and hitting F5
00:11	jordan4ibanez	hi
00:11	bulletrulz	Muadtralk, hi
00:11	Muadtralk	or getting it from someone else
00:11	NakedFury	if you want a more punishing teleport then options: A- make it cost something or B- by using it you lose all inventory items
00:12	Uberi	Muadtralk: or stand outside a big wall, add maybe 15 to the coordinate, and teleport
00:12	Uberi	bam, you got around the wall
00:12	sokomine	besides...does anyone have a good solution for the problem with signs (those with letters on that can directly be read) and skyblock? the signs use add_node, which does not seem to call on_placenode (which skyblock needs in order to register that as a sign)
00:12	Uberi	and in PvP servers
00:12	Muadtralk	or dig through the wall
00:12	Uberi	you're about to kill your opponent? oops, he teleported away
00:12	Muadtralk	then he is a coward
00:12	Muadtralk	and you win with no honour
00:13	Muadtralk	so you must hunt him and kill him
00:13	bulletrulz	wyd
00:13	Uberi	:P
00:14	Uberi	seriously though, it breaks gameplay if you can just teleport to -30000 and mine a whole stack of MESE and then teleport back
00:14	Uberi	mining should require you to dig
00:14	NakedFury	not all servers allow you to teleport
00:15	Uberi	of course, and for good reason too
00:15	Muadtralk	people who teleport down there usually arent good builders anyway
00:15	bulletrulz	jordan4ibanez,
00:15	jordan4ibanez	tghjhghgjhhdgfgjhdfkhdtkdrikryetutuetut
00:15	bulletrulz	http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3864 IS THERE a linux build jordan4ibanez
00:15	Muadtralk	yes compile it yourself
00:15	jordan4ibanez	Linux build is cmake . -DRUN_IN_PLACE=1 && make -j28
00:15	Uberi	Muadtralk: that is true, but it would be better to just remove the priv, no?
00:16	bulletrulz	oh
00:16	Muadtralk	not for those who actually use it for good
00:16	bulletrulz	thats just regular minetest nvm
00:16	Muadtralk	liek in gameboom i used to love going to the faraway places on the map with /teleport
00:16	NakedFury	Uberi that priv is useful for server admins
00:16	Muadtralk	like*
00:17	NakedFury	they can teleport to problem areas or quickly reach players that need help
00:17	Muadtralk	and making places far away from other players so they dont get greived
00:17	Uberi	Muadtralk: I'm just not seeing how a survival server can call itself survival if they give their players teleport privs
00:17	Muadtralk	it isnt a survival server
00:17	Muadtralk	and minetest stopped being a survival game to me
00:17	Uberi	I'm talking about servers in general :)
00:17	Uberi	not a specific server
00:18	Muadtralk	if i want survival I would go to minecraft
00:18	Muadtralk	or player singleplayer
00:18	Muadtralk	play*
00:18	NakedFury	minetest needs something more to be about survival
00:18	Uberi	that doesn't mean there aren't people who do play MT survival though
00:18	Muadtralk	revise that play single player in minetest-delta
00:19	Muadtralk	yes but the current version is so mob unfriendly that survival has become a joke
00:19	Muadtralk	which is why i use older versions to play on survival
00:19	Uberi	that's true, unfortunately
00:19	NakedFury	survival from mobs would be nice and later from other factors
00:19	sokomine	what does it take to make it "survival"?
00:19	jordan4ibanez	WHERE is the sethome/setspawn mod
00:20	jordan4ibanez	Oh right, I made one lol
00:20	Muadtralk	yes you did
00:20	NakedFury	well to make it survival would mean something out there can and will kill you
00:20	sokomine	in mt there are annoying things like falling down, lava, ...in mc there seem to be mobs after you in the dark? pretty annoying
00:20	NakedFury	maybe hunger or drowning
00:20	jordan4ibanez	I remembered that right when i wrote that, so now I'm a douchebag :D
00:21	Muadtralk	well i did give a link to your extracommands mod
00:21	Muadtralk	so its somewhat my fault
00:21	Uberi	well yes there has to be danger to make it survival
00:21	jordan4ibanez	OH SNAP
00:21	jordan4ibanez	jails are possible
00:21	sokomine	hm
00:21	jordan4ibanez	mount the player to a jail cell
00:22	Uberi	oh cool
00:22	Muadtralk	:D
00:22	Muadtralk	grand!
00:22	Uberi	someone make a mod!
00:22	Muadtralk	quickly!
00:22	Muadtralk	i want to trap unsuspecting players in it!
00:23	NakedFury	jails are possible without mods, remove interact and place inside a room with no doors
00:23	bulletrulz	how to install remobo on lubuntu lol
00:23	Uberi	nah there's the fly hack
00:23	NakedFury	remove all privs
00:23	Uberi	there's no "move" priv so the fly hack still works :(
00:23	Uberi	speaking of which, I was going to try to fix that one
00:23	jordan4ibanez	Well if you mount the player to the cell, they cannot fly away
00:24	Uberi	yep
00:24	sokomine	that sounds a bit brutal
00:24	jordan4ibanez	badingo
00:24	jordan4ibanez	No it;s not, you just have to CUT OFF THEIR ARMS AND LEGS
00:24	Muadtralk	:D
00:24	sokomine	they where just recently attached! and now you want to cut them off!
00:24	* sokomine	throws her arms up in exasperation
00:25	Muadtralk	oy! its not like we have done it before?
00:25	Muadtralk	oh wait....
00:25	sokomine	:-)
00:25	Muadtralk	nevermind
00:25	Muadtralk	that was a fun day
00:25	Uberi	there should be a mod for that!
00:25	Uberi	severable_limbs
00:25	* Muadtralk	goes to get fitted for his straitjacket
00:26	bulletrulz	lol
00:26	bulletrulz	gosh what is with mods
00:26	jordan4ibanez	bulletrulz
00:26	jordan4ibanez	what happened to ubunite
00:26	Muadtralk	ubunite.zapto.org?
00:26	Muadtralk	i loved that server
00:26	jordan4ibanez	no, splitpaw
00:27	jordan4ibanez	like the guy himself lol
00:27	Muadtralk	ohhhh
00:27	bulletrulz	wtf happend when remobo wont install it says dependicie error chkconfig
00:27	Muadtralk	mmmmmm
00:27	Muadtralk	remobo has always hated me
00:27	Muadtralk	but it used to have many many servers on it
00:28	bulletrulz	wtf why wont it install
00:28	Muadtralk	btw J4IBZ when are you going to restart infinity?
00:28	jordan4ibanez	bulletrulz, aren't you ubunite's son or something?
00:28	jordan4ibanez	I already restarted it, it's running right now
00:28	Muadtralk	on remobo that is
00:28	Muadtralk	i noticed on hamachi
00:29	bulletrulz	jordan4ibanez, nope wtf lol i used to play with u and stormrider all the time remember
00:30	Muadtralk	Mr. Craig please respond
00:32	jordan4ibanez	to what
00:32	Muadtralk	will you ever restart remobo?
00:33	jordan4ibanez	Yes
00:34	Muadtralk	when?
00:34	bulletrulz	dammit why the fuck is remobo being a basterd
00:34	Muadtralk	cause you didnt say please and kiss its ass
00:35	jordan4ibanez	Maybe at 8:00PM Eastern/standard
00:35	Uberi	maybe jupiter isn't aligned with saturn
00:35	Muadtralk	hmmmm
00:35	Uberi	you need to be able to see venus from outside your window in order for remobo to work
00:40	Octupus	Burp?
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00:43	Uberi	hey Taoki, congrats on the merge
00:44	babyface1031	hi Octupus
00:45	Octupus	Hi babyface1031
00:45	Octupus	Hi Taoki
00:50	jordan4ibanez	ping
00:51	Muadtralk	pong
00:52	Taoki	hi
00:52	Taoki	Uberi: Thank you :)
01:01	Octupus	Someone is smoking weed close to my house I can smell it
01:01	VanessaE	save me some
01:01	VanessaE	:)
01:03	Octupus	Lolz
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01:15	NakedFury	something happened to the server, missing many mods
01:16	Octupus	M
01:16	NakedFury	no technic or moreores
01:16	Octupus	What server
01:17	NakedFury	bucket, creative, default, doors, dye, give_inital_items, legacy, stairs, vessel, wools
01:17	NakedFury	server 30000
01:17	Octupus	Minetest.org?
01:17	NakedFury	yes
01:19	Octupus	O
01:22	Octupus	There's nothin better than drinking milo,playing FIFA and smelling those kids smoke weed
01:22	NekoGloop	And trying to find compatible mods for the technic pack. Like the portal gun mod and lasers mod. :3
01:26	Octupus	Cool
01:29	NekoGloop	I just like jamming that thing full till it bursts! :3
01:31	Octupus	:)
01:33	* VanessaE	grumbles at Muadtralk..
01:34	NekoGloop	VanessaE: Why?
01:35	NekoGloop	Oh wait, my join/leave messages are off. Derp.
01:35	VanessaE	because he pointed me to his player textures mod, then signed off before helping me make it work.
01:36	NekoGloop	Meow. :3
01:36	jordan4ibanez	Muadtralk: add wienermcwiener on remobo
01:37	NekoGloop	jordan4ibanez: Um... He left.
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02:02	OldCoder
02:02	OldCoder	This is an unusual step. I ask people to overlook it.
02:03	jordan4ibanez	NÂ®Å¾!NSâŒ @R
02:03	OldCoder	Landmine. In the next day or two if there is a chance I ask you to see me. I will ask a favor. It is not large and may be interesting. I will be at the keyboard most of the day except for errands to the corner store.
02:03	OldCoder
02:03	OldCoder	Repeat. I am paging Landmine. That is all.
02:03	OldCoder
02:04	jordan4ibanez	I am a land of mine
02:04	Octupus	Landmine was here
02:04	OldCoder	This land is mine land // This land is your land
02:04	Octupus	Chee I an blind
02:04	OldCoder	Octupus, it is not urgent
02:04	OldCoder	New York Island etc.
02:05	jordan4ibanez	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBmJay_qdNc&feature=fvwbrel
02:05	VanessaE	can someone test this please? https://github.com/sdzen/player_textures
02:05	VanessaE	on 0.4.4 plug in a minecraft skin per the README for one user, see if it actually works?
02:05	VanessaE	and tell me what I did wrong since it don't work for me :-)
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02:28	NakedFury	OldCoder server 30000 has no mods
02:30	OldCoder	NakedFury, they all seem to be missing?
02:30	OldCoder	Checking
02:30	NakedFury	yep
02:30	NakedFury	using /mods only shows default mods
02:30	NakedFury	bucket, creative, default, doors, dye, give_inital_items, legacy, stairs, vessel, wools
02:30	OldCoder	01:48:18: ERROR[ServerThread]: LuaEntity name "signs:text" not defined
02:30	OldCoder	Odd
02:30	OldCoder	Shutting down
02:31	OldCoder	Shutting down to avoid further damage
02:31	OldCoder	Anybody else?
02:32	OldCoder	NakedFury, Sorry. I'll try to figure it out in a bit.
02:32	NakedFury	its ok
02:35	babyface1031	no all30004 mods are there
02:40	OldCoder	I'll look closely shortly if I can
02:40	OldCoder	Would anybody test other worlds?
02:44	* VanessaE	gives up
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02:53	* VanessaE	pokes Muadtralk
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02:53	Muadtralk	yes?
02:54	jordan4ibanez	maultdarakl
02:54	jordan4ibanez	the server has remoboroaraom now
02:56	NekoGloop	jordan4ibanez: I thinknk youu nede tu fdin rouy leplsing
02:56	jordan4ibanez	hfkfdkljfakljasfkjaskjfskjgsdkljzskljds jksdfkldkljfsklj k
02:57	NekoGloop	Can anyone understand what i said? :3
02:57	jordan4ibanez	i think you ned 2 read epilepsy
02:57	NekoGloop	Epilepsy has nothing to do with reading...?
02:58	jordan4ibanez	In fact it does
02:58	NekoGloop	I would know.
02:59	jordan4ibanez	I do know. I mean, you read the word epilepsy, DIDN'T YOU
03:00	NekoGloop	Nope.
03:00	NekoGloop	Didnt bother.
03:01	NekoGloop	Had my butler read it.
03:01	jordan4ibanez	oh okay
03:02	jordan4ibanez	22:02
03:03	NekoGloop	Hm?
03:03	jordan4ibanez	22:03
03:03	jordan4ibanez	22:04
03:04	jordan4ibanez	Wow time is going very fast
03:04	NekoGloop	del jordan4ibanez/time
03:04	jordan4ibanez	ls jordan4ibanez/time
03:04	jordan4ibanez	rmdir -rf /
03:05	NekoGloop	Shithead person in ##minecraft goes on for half an hour about how he hates the amount of redundancy in the technic pack, then ' have I mentioned that I'm back to vanilla? '
03:05	NekoGloop	format jordan4ibanez
03:08	jordan4ibanez	Neko
03:08	jordan4ibanez	Come
03:08	jordan4ibanez	ONto
03:08	jordan4ibanez	MY
03:08	jordan4ibanez	SERVER
03:09	NekoGloop	Would if i could but i cant so i wont.
03:14	Muadtralk	jordan4ibanez sign onto remobo!
03:15	VanessaE	ew.
03:16	NekoGloop	ew.
03:16	NekoGloop	.we
03:16	Muadtralk	:P
03:16	Muadtralk	id rather have him do that then have me install hamachi
03:18	VanessaE	don't use either one :-)
03:18	VanessaE	you don't need remobo/hamachi to run a server. you just need a good firewall.
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03:21	OldCoder	<jordan4ibanez> rmdir -rf /
03:21	OldCoder	The old stand by
03:21	OldCoder	One size fits all
03:21	VanessaE	now now.
03:23	* OldCoder	chuckles
03:25	VanessaE	all right G*d damn it.
03:25	VanessaE	OldCoder: what did you say you did to clear up the congestion?
03:26	VanessaE	iow how do I disable the congestion control and let my normal network subsystem handle it like it's supposed to?
03:30	OldCoder	VanessaE, I am only experimenting at this point. celeron55 directed me to a routine and asked me to play with it.
03:30	OldCoder	I am doing so
03:30	OldCoder	I will post the code later; can't tonight
03:30	OldCoder	Still need to keep other promises here
03:31	OldCoder	Oh!
03:31	OldCoder	VanessaE, that is an interesting thought... disable it entirely? That might be very easy
03:31	OldCoder	VanessaE, should I try that?
03:32	VanessaE	I'd like to try it here actually,.
03:32	VanessaE	oh, you gotta tweak the code?
03:32	VanessaE	ok, you test it :D
03:33	OldCoder	I will do so
03:33	OldCoder	Next step is to build a matching client
03:33	OldCoder	Will get to that this week. I promised NekoGloop I would and that was weeks ago.
03:33	VanessaE	ok
03:34	OldCoder	NekoGloop BTW I do have the TANK patch in my code now
03:34	NekoGloop	I honestly dont even remember what i asked for.
03:34	NekoGloop	And i hope so, it's part of upstream now.
03:45	sokomine	how does adding playerskins work with the new 3d-player?
03:46	VanessaE	character.png - minecraft format.
03:46	VanessaE	hats/headwear if present won't be used
03:46	NekoGloop	Aw. Means my hoodie is borked.
03:47	NekoGloop	And awesome headphones too.
03:47	VanessaE	player_textures mod can be used to give players their own model skins too. sdzen and I are on my (laggy) server each with a different model than the default.
03:58	jordan4ibanez	how do i make it so this server doesn't write a debug.txt?
03:58	NekoGloop	jordan4ibanez: Dont think you can.
03:58	jordan4ibanez	I can, it's a hack though
03:58	VanessaE	symlink it to /dev/null :-)
03:59	jordan4ibanez	it's like ./minetest/bin/minetestserver --debug="" or whatever
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04:14	jordan4ibanez	What are server unit tests?
04:15	jordan4ibanez	celeron55, what are unit tests?
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04:31	bulletrulz	hi
04:31	VanessaE	hi
04:34	khonkhortisan	(if I don't join or leave, you don't know I'm here)
04:34	VanessaE	lol
04:37	mrtux	good night
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04:54	jordan4ibanez	Real bad removed technic?
04:54	jordan4ibanez	are you fucking kidding me
04:55	khonkhortisan	must've been a good reason? maybe?
04:55	VanessaE	wha?
04:56	VanessaE	the github repo is still there though
04:56	VanessaE	https://github.com/RealBadAngel/technic
04:57	jordan4ibanez	Forking before we have another cornernote incident
04:57	VanessaE	I've forked it just to be safe.
04:57	VanessaE	https://github.com/VanessaE/technic
04:58	khonkhortisan	why? What did cornernote do?
04:58	VanessaE	he burned out
04:58	VanessaE	took his toys and went home
04:59	VanessaE	:(
04:59	khonkhortisan	oh, "get your own football".
04:59	VanessaE	basically.
04:59	VanessaE	as for RBA, I have no idea wtf is going on
05:03	jordan4ibanez	boats are very very possible now :)
05:03	VanessaE	yup
05:03	jordan4ibanez	I'll be creating a boat mod tomorrow ^^
05:05	khonkhortisan	(raft mod)
05:06	jordan4ibanez	No, boats, like real entity boats
05:06	jordan4ibanez	cornernote also cloned my turret mod, idk why, now i can create turrets you can sit on and fire
05:06	khonkhortisan	collisions?!
05:06	khonkhortisan	or rather, joints?
05:06	khonkhortisan	hm.
05:07	jordan4ibanez	Sure, just make the entity physical
05:08	VanessaE	http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/screenshots/screenshot_991656039.png
05:08	VanessaE	oops
05:08	VanessaE	sokomine: ^^^^^^
05:08	jordan4ibanez	That's madness lol
05:08	VanessaE	which? HDX textures with minecraft lowrez models? :-)
05:09	jordan4ibanez	Them combined
05:09	VanessaE	heh
05:09	sokomine	looks agreeable i think :-)
05:10	VanessaE	I need to get off my lazy ass and update HDX for homedecor and farming...and a bunch of others too.
05:10	sokomine	boats sound good
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05:14	Aqua	hi
05:18	VanessaE	hi
05:18	khonkhortisan	I'd prefer hypercube player models in a cubical world
05:18	khonkhortisan	but that's just me
05:19	sokomine	hypercube?
05:21	Aqua	finished downloading linux ;)
05:22	VanessaE	cool, aqua
05:23	Aqua	now what?
05:25	VanessaE	burn it to a CD and boot with it.
05:25	VanessaE	If it gives you a boot menu, select the "Try without installing" link
05:25	VanessaE	bear in mind:
05:26	VanessaE	booting and running from a CD is inherently slow.
05:26	VanessaE	this cannot be improved much.
05:26	Aqua	can i use a usb?
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05:27	Aqua	and will it still have microsoft word and powerpoint etc.....
05:27	sokomine	yes, but it has to be properly installed so that the stick will boot
05:28	sokomine	no, linux doesn't come with word and powerpoint. there is openoffice for most of these things
05:29	Aqua	so ill lose all my stuff i have on it for e.g games, gimp, notepad, chrome .............
05:30	Aqua	and will i lose all my documents?
05:31	VanessaE	no
05:31	VanessaE	if you boot from CD and just run from there, it will run slow but your system won't be changed.
05:31	VanessaE	if you install "alongside" windows, your documents will still be there.
05:31	VanessaE	but,
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05:31	VanessaE	you should make a backup anyway
05:31	VanessaE	better safe than sorry
05:31	Aqua	how?
05:32	VanessaE	save your documents to a thumb drive or something
05:32	sokomine	don't format or partition your hard drive if you want to be sure
05:32	VanessaE	don't take this the wrong way, but if you don't know how to make a backup, linux is not for you.
05:32	sokomine	make a backup (can never hurt)
05:33	Aqua	so i will lose microsoft word etc.?
05:34	VanessaE	aqua you are not listening.
05:34	VanessaE	if you boot from CD and just run from there, it will run slow but your system won't be changed.
05:34	VanessaE	if you install "alongside" windows, your documents will still be there.
05:34	VanessaE	but, you should make a backup anyway.
05:34	sokomine	you won't loose it. you just can't use it at the same time you're using linux because those programs are written for windows and not for linux. there are emulators that work to a degree, but if you want to run windows stuff, stick to windows
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05:34	VanessaE	linux can read most microsoft document formats, you will not lose then.
05:34	kaeza	hey guys.
05:34	kaeza	and ladies of course
05:35	VanessaE	hi kaeza
05:35	Aqua	hi
05:35	VanessaE	kaeza: got 0.4.4 handy?
05:35	kaeza	how's it going?
05:35	kaeza	what?
05:35	VanessaE	what what?
05:35	kaeza	a new mt version?
05:35	VanessaE	it's going very well :-)
05:35	sokomine	hi
05:35	VanessaE	yes, 0.4.4 was released (in github) today
05:35	VanessaE	WITH 3D MODELS!!
05:36	kaeza	yay i'm gonna pee myself :D
05:36	Aqua	but can windows open openoffice?
05:36	Aqua	really 0.4.4 came out?
05:36	VanessaE	openoffice can save into microsoft formats.
05:36	VanessaE	and windows can run openoffice if you want.
05:36	VanessaE	and openoffice can read microsoft word
05:36	VanessaE	so you won't lose anything.
05:36	VanessaE	but I told you.
05:37	VanessaE	if you don't know how to make a backup, you should not be running Linux yet.
05:37	kaeza	V: I'll doenload it right now
05:37	VanessaE	you have some learning to do first.
05:37	kaeza	download*
05:37	VanessaE	Aqua: yes, 0.4.4 is out, source code only for now, so you have to build it. It is NOT COMPATIBLE with 0.4.3 servers/
05:38	kaeza	as long as it's more stable than 0.4.3
05:38	VanessaE	not sure one way or the other.
05:38	kaeza	I don't care rebuilding
05:38	Aqua	where can u find it?
05:38	VanessaE	now,
05:39	Aqua	nvrmind
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05:39	VanessaE	when you're done installing 0.4.4, go find a good minecraft skin file and tell me the URL.
05:39	VanessaE	because you're gonna sign onto my little test server at 24.181.193.82 port 30001
05:39	VanessaE	(I'll need your exact username, case sensitive, so I can install the skin you picked)
05:40	Aqua	where to find 0.4.4?
05:40	VanessaE	Aqua: source code only, on the usual github repositories.
05:40	VanessaE	it is not available for windows yet.
05:40	Aqua	:(
05:40	kaeza	now DL'ing
05:42	khonkhortisan	sokomine, a four-dimensional cube as the player entity
05:42	kaeza	now building, hope it goes OK
05:42	VanessaE	it will. :-)
05:43	VanessaE	kaeza: let me know when you have a skin URL (you don't need to download it)
05:43	kaeza	ok
05:44	kaeza	just one question. Do i have to move/delete my worlds folder?
05:44	VanessaE	no
05:44	VanessaE	well, I mean if you wanna copy the data over to your 0.4.4 build go ahead
05:44	kaeza	40% built YAY!
05:44	VanessaE	but if you do the run-in-place = 0 like I usually do, you can just run from the 0.4.3 stuff and that'll work
05:44	VanessaE	just don't try to connect to an 0.4.3 server like redcrab's yet. that won't work :-)
05:44	kaeza	ok
05:46	kaeza	I think I'll keep 0.4.3 around a bit until everybody makes the migration
05:46	kaeza	I'll play 0.4.4 locally
05:47	kaeza	YAY 75%!!
05:48	khonkhortisan	I haven't played for a while so I missed the upgrade. Better luck next upgrade.e
05:49	hmmmm	it's not compatible because of that one field to the player position packet
05:49	VanessaE	yup
05:49	hmmmm	there's no reason why it should be incompatible
05:49	hmmmm	hmmmmm
05:50	hmmmm	if i were you guys, i'd pull it before anybody else downloads it, and have the client and server simply ignore new fields
05:50	kaeza	how do I test it from within the builddir?
05:50	VanessaE	celeron55 said it wouldn't be worth making it compatible.
05:50	hmmmm	it's so simple
05:50	hmmmm	it's even added onto the end of the packet
05:50	* hmmmm	sigh
05:51	kaeza	tried ./minetest and ./src/minetest and dont work
05:51	kaeza	doesn't*
05:51	hmmmm	'doesn't work
05:51	VanessaE	bin/minetest
05:51	sokomine	that would be a good idea, hmm. when i started playing minetest it was quite difficult to find a server where my recently downloaded client would work
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05:51	hmmmm	all it needs to do is verify that the incoming packet is _at least as large_ as it's going to parse
05:51	hmmmm	doesn't need to be exactly equal to the size it expects
05:51	VanessaE	sokomine: which is exactly why I rode celeron55's ass about the version number.
05:52	sokomine	apart from that it is definitely worth a new version number :-)
05:53	sokomine	if it could be made more compatible that would be great
05:53	hmmmm	if compatibility is going to be broken like this, you really ought to force^H^H^H^H^H strongly suggest that everybody updates
05:53	khonkhortisan	^H?
05:54	hmmmm	that's me hitting the backspace key that's broken because my TERM wasn't set to vt220
05:54	hmmmm	it's an old version of the 'strikethrough' bbcode you see on some forums
05:54	khonkhortisan	setxkbmap shift:both_capslock will break your shift release signal-
05:55	khonkhortisan	but I already said that
05:55	VanessaE	it's also used to mean "er..no delete that because I shouldn't say that"
05:56	kaeza	everything running ok
05:56	hmmmm	i mean it's trivial to just package in wget or use libcurl or something, no?
05:56	khonkhortisan	there should be a programming language that uses the Ã· â‰¤ â‰¥ symbols
05:56	hmmmm	there is
05:56	hmmmm	it's called PL/1
05:56	hmmmm	nobody used it because you needed a special keyboard to type in the special symbols it needed
05:57	khonkhortisan	compose key is all you need
05:57	kaeza	hmmmm: exactly. Programming languages are meant for US-ASCII codepages/encodings
05:57	VanessaE	heh
05:57	khonkhortisan	if it came with its own editor, it might be more popular
05:58	VanessaE	Â¢Ã¸mpÃ¸$É™ :-)
05:58	kaeza	it's almost the same reason you cant say "funciÃ³n Ã©sta_es_mi_funciÃ³n ( parÃ¡metro )"
05:58	khonkhortisan	hmm, I don't know that c. Â¢ Â¢c â†’É™â† I can't find the vertical bar c!
05:59	khonkhortisan	oh.
05:59	khonkhortisan	silly font. it's a slash.
05:59	kaeza	try Alt-Gr + the key below ESC
05:59	VanessaE	or a pipe.
05:59	VanessaE	<compose> c pipe
05:59	khonkhortisan	funciÃ³n Ã©sta_es_mi_funciÃ³n (parÃ¡metro )
05:59	kaeza	oh forget it it's for es_ES keyboards I think
06:00	khonkhortisan	compose is shift-right alt for me
06:00	khonkhortisan	compose+'+o = Ã³
06:00	khonkhortisan	ResumÃ©
06:00	kaeza	I think it was also Alt+98
06:00	khonkhortisan	ErnÃµ Rubik's Cube
06:00	kaeza	does not work on linux tho'
06:00	khonkhortisan	alt+numbers don't work for me
06:00	khonkhortisan	can't figure out how to turn it on, either.
06:01	kaeza	me neither
06:01	kaeza	works on windowze
06:01	kaeza	but not on linux
06:02	khonkhortisan	bet you can't type upside down! uÉsÄ±Ê‡É¹oÉ¥ÊžuoÉ¥Êž
06:02	VanessaE	heh
06:02	khonkhortisan	(I can't either)
06:02	hmmmm	kaeza: this was before ASCII
06:02	hmmmm	since IBM made it, it was probably designed for EBCDIC
06:03	khonkhortisan	what really bugs me is if I'm browsing the internet in UTF-8 and a website comes along in Windows-1252 with no encoding information.
06:03	VanessaE	this sentence is umop É™p!sdn
06:03	celeron55	07:50:43 < hmmmm> there's no reason why it should be incompatible
06:03	celeron55	there are many reasons
06:03	VanessaE	(and I had to type that manually because I don't know how to flip it :-) )
06:03	khonkhortisan	haha looks upside down to me
06:03	hmmmm	??
06:03	khonkhortisan	I used a text flipping website
06:03	hmmmm	from what i understand only one field was appended to the end of a packet
06:03	celeron55	i won't even bother explaining
06:03	kaeza	VanessaE: http://www.minecraftxl.com/skin-31.html
06:03	celeron55	hmmmm: lol?
06:03	khonkhortisan	just replaces characters, not adding anything special to them
06:04	hmmmm	I guess i didn't get the full story?
06:04	kaeza	hi celeron
06:04	celeron55	hmmmm: then you've understood very wrong
06:04	khonkhortisan	mario has transparent textures
06:04	celeron55	i wonder who you have been listening
06:04	VanessaE	kaeza: ok. What's your sign-on name going to be?
06:04	jordan4ibanez	Hi celeron55
06:04	khonkhortisan	a double head texture
06:04	VanessaE	just "kaeza" in all lowercase?
06:04	hmmmm	er
06:04	hmmmm	i'll read the backlogs
06:05	kaeza	yep
06:05	celeron55	it WOULD be possible, IF there was a proper way of negotiating the network protocol from multiple versions between a client and a server, or something like that, but there isn't
06:05	VanessaE	kaeza: ok.
06:05	celeron55	also, i just noticed there are some modified serialization thingies that didn't get their version properly raised
06:05	VanessaE	installed.
06:05	khonkhortisan	there could be a separate program called minetalk that is a middleman between different minetest versions
06:05	khonkhortisan	but that would be some work
06:05	hmmmm	what a hacky solution
06:06	khonkhortisan	yep
06:06	VanessaE	kaeza: now sign on to 24.181.193.82 port 30001 with that userid.
06:06	khonkhortisan	better to actually fix it in the same program
06:06	kaeza	ok gonna try
06:06	hmmmm	it reminds me of what people did to fix old chat clients for a proprietary, binary game protocol
06:06	jordan4ibanez	Tomorrow: jetpacks, and boats
06:07	kaeza	connecting
06:07	kaeza	almost there
06:08	VanessaE	how's the bandnarrowth?
06:08	sokomine	the reason why it would be good to allow diffrent clients to connect to the same server is because new players usually don't have much of a clue and might think there are no servers out there just because they don't find matching servers
06:08	VanessaE	(as opposed to bandwidth ;-) )
06:08	khonkhortisan	that's also caused my having no server list in the client
06:09	kaeza	:) it may be on my side. this crapy huawei wireless modem of mine is crappy as hell
06:09	sokomine	at least i had that problem. finally redcrabs server worked. all the other in the list had a diffrent version...
06:09	VanessaE	kaeza: no, it's celeron55's fault. :-)
06:09	kaeza	61% media
06:09	kaeza	lol
06:09	kaeza	still 61%
06:09	kaeza	WOW 64%
06:10	kaeza	going in
06:10	kaeza	erm...
06:10	kaeza	ok
06:10	celeron55	oh hell wtf
06:10	sokomine	you'll eventually arrive. it was worse before :-) now some mods with lots of diffrent colored wood and brick are removed
06:11	celeron55	i'm going to make this completely incompatible what this is now later today
06:11	celeron55	there are some deep crap in here
06:11	Aqua	hi again
06:12	VanessaE	what?
06:12	VanessaE	then bump the version number again.
06:12	VanessaE	enough of this "but I have latest git!" crap.
06:14	celeron55	maybe i should not have moved the stuff upstream after all yet
06:14	VanessaE	naw
06:14	VanessaE	it works pretty well in practice.
06:14	celeron55	i'm not going to listen that whining
06:14	kaeza	hi
06:14	VanessaE	facepalm
06:15	kaeza	pretty house V
06:15	VanessaE	it ain't mine, it's sdzen's :-)
06:15	celeron55	if taoki doesn't properly do serialization stuffs and i don't immediately notice it, i won't screw up versioning or my day because of it
06:15	kaeza	oh cheers to him then :)
06:15	VanessaE	I built a few structures to replace what got lost in the reset earlier today, but I didn't actually build anything worthwhile :-)
06:16	celeron55	and next time i'll not update the version before it gets stable
06:16	celeron55	life is full of learning 8)
06:16	VanessaE	celeron55: it hasn't been "stable" since sometime early into 0.4 to begin with :)
06:17	kaeza	I don't seem to be loading anything besides the first chunk. I SWEAR YOU MODEM! I'LL BURN YOU ONE OF THESE DAYS!!!
06:17	VanessaE	haha
06:18	VanessaE	kaeza: still not getting any map data>?
06:19	kaeza	nope. I can see some gray blocks and smiling slimes
06:19	kaeza	but only the first chunk
06:19	VanessaE	strange.
06:20	kaeza	ok the gray blocks are carts, and I loaded the station
06:20	VanessaE	right, those carts need new textures.
06:20	VanessaE	that's up to PilzAdam
06:20	sokomine	that's a start
06:20	kaeza	I tell you, it's on my side. It literally took me 4 mins to DL a 24KB jpeg
06:21	VanessaE	dayum
06:21	kaeza	oh
06:21	VanessaE	celeron55: the broken network congestion code, can it be disabled via the config?
06:22	kaeza	you are standing on thin air V :)
06:22	VanessaE	I am?
06:22	VanessaE	jeez :-()
06:22	celeron55	it can't be controlled in any way in any config
06:22	VanessaE	:-)
06:23	kaeza	where i am is the end of the world
06:23	celeron55	it could be made so though
06:23	kaeza	cannot go further
06:23	VanessaE	celeron55: please do. 15 kB/sec over a non-congested link that can sustain 330 kB/sec is just wrong.
06:23	VanessaE	kaeza: maybe if you log out and back in again?
06:23	kaeza	k
06:24	kaeza	connecting
06:24	VanessaE	celeron55: also, you may be interested to know that I reduced the number of nodes on the test server by 25%.
06:25	kaeza	going in again
06:26	VanessaE	any better?
06:26	kaeza	nope, same thing
06:26	kaeza	wait
06:26	kaeza	I'll exit completely and reconnect
06:27	VanessaE	reconnect through the wireless you mean?
06:27	kaeza	core dump on exit
06:27	VanessaE	heh
06:27	kaeza	but I was running 2 instances, so don't really know which one
06:27	VanessaE	I get that too sometimes
06:28	VanessaE	complete with a backtrace that means nothing to me
06:28	VanessaE	:)
06:28	kaeza	lol
06:29	kaeza	"b706c000-b7077000 r-xp 00000000 08:05 791163 ..." that is like it's saying "F*CK YOU!!!" to me :)
06:29	VanessaE	rofl
06:30	kaeza	ok now connecting
06:31	kaeza	oh and BTW http://xkcd.com/371/
06:31	kaeza	as you said, they have a comic for every situation :)
06:31	VanessaE	bahahahaha
06:32	VanessaE	even my husband laughed at that one :-)
06:35	kaeza	lol
06:36	kaeza	k now i can see past the farm, but don't get the station
06:36	VanessaE	give it time
06:36	VanessaE	at least it's trying to load.
06:41	kaeza	VanessaE: look from my perspective https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/screenshot_997135989.png
06:41	VanessaE	weird.
06:42	kaeza	It may be a problem on your side this time. Cause I can download the entire internet in a few minutes
06:42	VanessaE	sigh
06:42	VanessaE	celeron55: you seeing this?
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06:44	kaeza	I'll try moving side to side and tll me if I lag
06:44	kaeza	tell*
06:44	VanessaE	wait.
06:44	khonkhortisan	this one caught me off-guard
06:44	VanessaE	I see you walking around.
06:44	khonkhortisan	http://xkcd.com/391/
06:46	VanessaE	khonkhortisan: I actually don't get that one.
06:47	kaeza	here https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/screenshot_997120186.png
06:47	khonkhortisan	this explains it http://www.losethegame.com/
06:48	VanessaE	lol
06:49	kaeza	khonkhortisan: lol
06:50	kaeza	finally! It removed the grass from my inventory :)
06:51	kaeza	also "Beware! High-kump-trampline[sic]!"
06:51	kaeza	lol
06:51	kaeza	jump*
06:52	VanessaE	oh sure NOW I'm starting to lag.
06:52	VanessaE	and I'm on the same machine as the server
06:53	kaeza	how's that?
06:53	VanessaE	I just tried to edit the typo'd sign
06:53	VanessaE	no reaction from the server when I hit enter.
06:53	kaeza	to me you're still with sokomime
06:54	VanessaE	signed off/on and the text is changed.
06:54	VanessaE	(didn't restart the server)
06:55	kaeza	ok i'll try that too
06:55	kaeza	that's strange...
06:55	VanessaE	dunno why either.
06:57	kaeza	the thing is it seems to work ok for both of you. and for me everything except chunk loading
06:57	kaeza	maybe it didn't build ok somehow?
06:58	VanessaE	I have no clue :-/
06:58	VanessaE	I mean, if I'm running the client on the same machine as the server, there's no way in hell I should lah
06:58	VanessaE	lag*
06:58	VanessaE	yet I appear to have been doing do, either that or that signs mod is b0rk3d.
06:59	kaeza	that's truly weird, but it happened for me on 0.4.3 aldo
06:59	kaeza	also*
06:59	VanessaE	ok then that means I didn't do anything wrong
06:59	kaeza	I removed most of the mods from my game and it's working better
06:59	kaeza	especially MOBF
06:59	VanessaE	that won't affect anything when you're on a server.
07:00	VanessaE	only singleplayer.
07:00	kaeza	no I mean, when the problem I described yesterday (the game crashing, and lots of purple objects) I removed most mods and it's working better
07:01	VanessaE	oh ok
07:01	kaeza	maybe you should check the mods you installed on the server?
07:01	VanessaE	yeah. MOBF is a nasty one for that.
07:01	VanessaE	but I've gone through all the mods on my server and weeded out everything that was either a CPU hog or added tons of useless nodes.
07:02	kaeza	ok, so from what I see, it's flowers, cart, and junglegrass only?
07:02	VanessaE	lots more than that :-)
07:02	VanessaE	/mods
07:02	kaeza	oh and the trampoline thing and signs
07:02	kaeza	WOW!
07:03	VanessaE	:_)
07:03	VanessaE	:)
07:04	kaeza	maybe node_ownership?
07:04	kaeza	maybe it's causing problems
07:04	kaeza	nevermind
07:05	kaeza	I was thinking about protector
07:05	VanessaE	doubt it, there's only one owned area, the spawn (by me)
07:06	kaeza	oh it works ok now
07:06	kaeza	it's magic!
07:06	khonkhortisan	Line n: cam.x = 0; Line n+1: printf("%i", cam.x); output: 2068705280 :(
07:07	kaeza	:O
07:08	kaeza	where is that?
07:08	khonkhortisan	separate opengl thing I'm writing
07:09	khonkhortisan	ah. %f, not %d or %i.
07:09	kaeza	oh nevermind then
07:10	khonkhortisan	that took me a day of mostly doing something else to figure that out
07:10	kaeza	what compiler are you using? GCC warns in such situation
07:11	khonkhortisan	no it doesn't
07:12	khonkhortisan	gcc main.cpp -lglut -lGLEW -lGLU -lm && ./a.out
07:12	khonkhortisan	unless I need a -Wsomething
07:12	kaeza	then do "gcc main.cpp -Wall -lglut -lGLEW -lGLU -lm && ./a.out
07:12	kaeza	then do "gcc -Wall main.cpp -lglut -lGLEW -lGLU -lm && ./a.out
07:12	kaeza	sorry
07:12	khonkhortisan	either way
07:13	kaeza	yes
07:13	kaeza	nevermind
07:13	khonkhortisan	yeah, that gives me stuff I was missing
07:13	khonkhortisan	main.cpp:138:23: warning: format â€˜%iâ€™ expects argument of type â€˜intâ€™, but argument 2 has type â€˜doubleâ€™ [-Wformat]
07:13	khonkhortisan	that would've saved me some time
07:13	kaeza	better yet add -Werror after -Wall
07:13	kaeza	to turn warns to errors
07:14	kaeza	almost always a warning means something wrong with the code
07:14	khonkhortisan	better to be strict when I have no idea what I'm doing
07:15	kaeza	right
07:16	kaeza	and better start using `-o'
07:16	kaeza	:)
07:17	khonkhortisan	oh yeah. I don't have a purpose, goal, name, or multiple files yet though
07:17	kaeza	it's good practice to do so anyway, except if it's just a test thing
07:21	khonkhortisan	if I put main.cpp twice it gives me errors about previous definitions between temp files
07:22	khonkhortisan	oh, did I steal the topic? Go back to talking about minetest and mods and stuff
07:22	kaeza	no
07:22	kaeza	I just like talking about these things
07:23	* celeron55	is fiddling around with protocol version stuff
07:23	kaeza	what do you mean if you put main.cpp twice?
07:23	khonkhortisan	exactly what I said: gcc -Wall -Werror main.cpp main.cpp -o Kyle -lglut -lGLEW -lGLU -lm && ./Kyle
07:24	khonkhortisan	/tmp/cch1yj6M.o:(.data+0x0): multiple definition of `WinID'
07:24	khonkhortisan	/tmp/ccGtoW0t.o:(.data+0x0): first defined here
07:24	* kaeza	will certainly invite c55 a beer if he fixes this little thing :)
07:24	khonkhortisan	done by accident, of course
07:25	kaeza	but why would you do that?
07:25	kaeza	nevermind
07:29	* khonkhortisan	is going back in time to geometry class to move the camera along its local rotated axes
07:29	kaeza	Don't look at me! I sorely suck at geometry.
07:29	kaeza	:(
07:33	VanessaE	kaeza: sign out/in plz.
07:33	VanessaE	kaeza: I'm testing something... :-)
07:34	kaeza	k
07:34	VanessaE	meet me at spawn.
07:34	kaeza	going in
07:36	VanessaE	look at testuser. what do you see?
07:37	kaeza	hey! nice texes!
07:38	VanessaE	you see a high-rez guy in a light blue shirt, dark blue pants, rather than the green polka dot shirt?
07:38	kaeza	hmm 64px
07:38	kaeza	yes
07:38	VanessaE	yeah, that's misa's player skin.
07:38	kaeza	oh nice :)
07:38	VanessaE	didn't work the way I wanted. I didn't want it to override the player skin like that.
07:39	VanessaE	(I wanted it to only be visible on my end, probably need to put it in a different folder so the server can't see it)
07:39	KikaRz-sleeping	computer rebooting
07:39	kaeza	wut?
07:39	VanessaE	shrug
07:40	kaeza	It shouldn't be seen on my end?
07:40	VanessaE	no.
07:40	VanessaE	I wanted it only to be visible from my end, since it's an HD skin.
07:40	kaeza	blue pants (I think) andlight gray T-shirt
07:41	VanessaE	I don't want the server sending anything but the defaults right now.
07:41	VanessaE	(and the per-player skins of course)
07:42	kaeza	I like the hands.
07:42	kaeza	hmm..
07:43	kaeza	I don't get it. why not send other players' textures?
07:43	VanessaE	nonononono
07:43	* kaeza	is startled
07:44	VanessaE	I don't want the server sending out any player skins except the per-player ones we have been using today. that misa skin was being used as the default player skin, which is not what I wanted.
07:45	VanessaE	I wanted it to be the default only for my end, not for everyone.
07:45	khonkhortisan	Can you delegate power to certain people to only be skinners but not mods/admins?
07:45	VanessaE	since I use a HD texture pack.
07:45	kaeza	but then I won't be able to see other players' skins
07:45	VanessaE	khonkhortisan: installing skins requires CLI access on the server.
07:45	VanessaE	kaeza: nononononononononno
07:45	khonkhortisan	Another thing the client can't do
07:45	kaeza	you use an hd pack? it seems 16px from my end
07:46	VanessaE	kaeza: yeah, on my client,
07:46	VanessaE	on the server I use the default textures.
07:46	khonkhortisan	You'll see regular people with the normal skin, and special people with their own skins
07:46	VanessaE	I wanted that mida player skin to be the same way.
07:46	khonkhortisan	oh.
07:46	VanessaE	misa*
07:46	kaeza	that means that works ok at least
07:46	kaeza	is the
07:47	kaeza	are the player textures handled differently by the engine?
07:47	VanessaE	not effectively.
07:47	* kaeza	also wants to kill his keyboard
07:47	VanessaE	they seem to be handled pretty much the same as any other texture file.
07:48	kaeza	so that's weird
07:48	kaeza	may I take a peek at the code?
07:49	VanessaE	code?
07:49	kaeza	minetest I mean
07:49	VanessaE	er...get it from github? :-)
07:49	kaeza	I get it, but where is the code that sends media to clients?
07:50	kaeza	got*
07:50	VanessaE	oh that
07:50	VanessaE	no clue
07:50	kaeza	hmm..
07:50	* kaeza	is currently entering the amazonas rainforest
07:52	kaeza	celeron55 are you here?
07:52	ecube	is there a setting in the source files that sets the font and/or the font color?
07:53	celeron55	pushed some interesting stuff: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/commits/master
07:54	celeron55	that will now work with 0.4.3 too
07:54	VanessaE	nice
07:54	ecube	nvm
07:54	VanessaE	celeron55: guess it was worth the effort after all ;-)
07:54	kaeza	celeron55 where is the code that sends media to the client?
07:54	celeron55	Taoki\|away: your odd non-initializing animation problems were due to this: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/commit/ab507f83e2e0b1f442341724bc47a8480667628e
07:55	celeron55	VanessaE: $20 -> http://www.minetest.net/donations.php
07:55	ecube	nice work
07:55	VanessaE	heh, if I had it, you'd get it :-)
07:55	celeron55	it wasn't worth it, but it's kind of interesting to fix problems made by other people
07:55	celeron55	as long as people don't whine
07:56	kaeza	nice
07:56	kaeza	does it mean I can connect from 0.4.3 to 0.4.4?
07:56	celeron55	0.4.3 can't connect to a 0.4.4 server
07:56	kaeza	oh
07:56	kaeza	silly me
07:56	celeron55	but that wasn't the real issue anyway
07:57	kaeza	extensibility right?
07:57	kaeza	or something like that
07:58	kaeza	BTW in which file is the code that sends media to the client?
07:58	celeron55	or, even if it was the real issue, it wouldn't be nearly as easy-ish to do
07:58	kaeza	It's a real jungle in there
07:59	kaeza	just tell me a single thing that is easy to do in networking :)
07:59	celeron55	(because there is the basically unsolvable issue of making old clients see something reasonable for things that are defined to have 3d visuals)
08:00	kaeza	i see.
08:00	kaeza	I may be a bit naive suggesting this, but maybe just send the facedir
08:00	kaeza	?
08:01	celeron55	kaeza: grep for "Media" in server.cpp
08:01	kaeza	I haven't looked at the protocol the game uses though
08:01	kaeza	ok
08:01	kaeza	I'll do
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08:01	KikaRz-nothere	installing vs2010 ultimate
08:03	kaeza	2010? so oldschool
08:03	VanessaE	haha
08:05	celeron55	i think we'll have to move to some kind of a generic binary serialization format that uses numeric keysi
08:05	celeron55	-i
08:05	celeron55	it's 100% required for the meta_set_nodedef branch at least
08:05	celeron55	and will get rid of some of this compatibility crap
08:06	celeron55	(mostly in the sense of making code written by newbies to work in more cases)
08:07	VanessaE	celeron55: confirmed, 0.4.4 with that latest commit works on an 0.4.3 server (redcrab.suret.net:30401)
08:07	VanessaE	just fyi. :-)
08:08	kaeza	that's awesomeness!
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08:10	kaeza1	sorry, connection died
08:10	kaeza1	i'm back
08:11	kaeza1	oh sorry V, was using 30001
08:11	kaeza1	now i'm going in
08:12	VanessaE	no prob.
08:12	VanessaE	sorry for the confusion.
08:12	VanessaE	with celeron55's latest commit I was able to merge it back into my regular install, so the port number got reset as a side effect :-)
08:14	kaeza1	hello
08:14	VanessaE	hey
08:14	kaeza1	oh crap this modem
08:14	kaeza1	nevermind
08:14	VanessaE	heh
08:15	kaeza	ClientEnvironment::processActiveObjectMessage(): id=42 type=e SerializationError in processMessage(), message="\u0000\u0002\u0000\n\u0001\u0000\u0000\u0013\u0088\u00ff\u00ff\u00fe\u009f\u00ff\u00ff\u00ff\u0006\u00ff\u00ff\u00fe\u009f\u0000\u0000\u0001a\u0000\u0000\u0000\u00fa\u0000\u0000\u0001a\u0000\u0004cube\u0000\u0000\u0000\u0000\u0001\u00f4\u0000\u0000\u0001\u00f4\u0000\u0006\u0000\rslime_top.png\u0000\u0010slime_bottom.png\u0000\u000fslime_front.png\u0
08:15	VanessaE	?
08:16	kaeza	that's what I get when I connect
08:16	VanessaE	they've been working fine for me?
08:16	kaeza	oh forget it, my bad
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08:16	VanessaE	you suck :D
08:16	kaeza	I'll do a rebuild
08:16	celeron55	oh that kind of stuff
08:16	kaeza	yes I do :(
08:16	celeron55	there might be problems with entities still
08:18	kaeza	yes, I also get lots of blue (?) "unknown objects"
08:18	kaeza	but the objects hop around like the smiles
08:18	VanessaE	celeron55: well, pilzadam's carts, jeija's slimes, and sfan5's particles seem okay from my end.
08:19	kaeza	slimes*
08:19	celeron55	actually, no; that should work
08:19	kaeza	I'll try a rebuild right now
08:20	VanessaE	hm, on second thought slimes seem weird, having trouble killing one that's stuck
08:20	kaeza	brb. doing a reboot
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08:21	VanessaE	fuck it, I'll bury it. :-)
08:22	celeron55	i don't see why it wouldn't work, but it might not for some reason
08:22	celeron55	i'm too lazy to test
08:22	VanessaE	might be a glitch on my end from frequent server restarts.
08:23	celeron55	what kind of a server is that on which kaeza is playing?
08:23	celeron55	because that looks like data coming from 0.4.4
08:24	celeron55	which... wouldn't make too much sense
08:24	VanessaE	mine.
08:24	celeron55	is it updated to github master?
08:24	VanessaE	which is running 0.4.4 from that last commit you just made to fix 0.4.3 backward compat.
08:25	VanessaE	yup, last commit I show is 4fa43... which is what I compiled.
08:25	celeron55	that seems right then
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08:25	kaeza	I'm back
08:26	kaeza	what did I miss?
08:26	VanessaE	nothing of great importance :-)
08:26	celeron55	hmm, ah, it makes sense; if you connect to that server now with a pre-fix 0.4.4, it will make that error
08:26	kaeza	ok then
08:26	celeron55	because it uses the version that 0.4.3 uses for the 0.4.4 data and doesn't even try to parse it as 0.4.3 data either
08:27	celeron55	(it would fail even harder)
08:27	celeron55	kaeza: update to github master and those errors will go away
08:28	kaeza	ok gonna try that
08:29	VanessaE	br
08:29	VanessaE	brb
08:29	kaeza	Typo on three letter word is a bad sign :)
08:30	kaeza	now DL'ing source
08:34	kaeza	just FYI it says warning about index out of bounds in `l_register_item_raw'.
08:38	VanessaE	back.
08:39	kaeza	wb
08:40	VanessaE	thanks.
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08:41	kaeza1	back
08:41	VanessaE	wb
08:41	kaeza1	V is your server up?
08:42	VanessaE	yes.
08:42	kaeza1	finished compiling latest
08:42	VanessaE	cool
08:42	kaeza1	going to connect
08:42	kaeza1	c u thar
08:42	VanessaE	ok
08:45	kaeza1	https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/507c7edddc4d1.png
08:45	kaeza1	:)
08:51	VanessaE	now I'm working in my house from another map. I'll get it figured out :-)
08:51	VanessaE	LOL
08:52	VanessaE	server will lag for a bit until I figure out the right place to be to //load this house.
08:54	kaeza1	k
08:55	* VanessaE	watches worldedit take the server to its knees :-)
08:55	VanessaE	the //dig command is...slow.
08:55	VanessaE	:-)
08:55	* kaeza	had lol'd
08:56	kaeza	has*
08:56	VanessaE	you were saying about typos and three-letter words? ;)
08:57	kaeza	lol
08:57	kaeza	you got me
08:57	kaeza	:)
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08:59	Aqua	hi
08:59	VanessaE	hah, //dig triggers the particles mod, no wonder it's slow :-)
08:59	kaeza	hi
08:59	VanessaE	killed
08:59	VanessaE	whaddya say I just //set air?
09:00	kaeza	(at -32000,-32000,-32000) //pos1 (at 32000,32000,32000) //pos2 -> //set air :)
09:01	kaeza	j/k
09:01	kaeza	still blocked by end of world
09:01	Aqua	say i wanted to change stone at certain depth to dirt is that possible?
09:01	VanessaE	aqua: not with worldedit, at least not easily.
09:02	Aqua	i dont mean with worldedit i mean with lua......
09:02	kaeza	better change mapgen
09:02	kaeza	there are callbacks but can't remember
09:04	kaeza	ok noble sirs and ladies, it's 7:00AM
09:04	Aqua	kaeza what serevr do u normally play?
09:04	kaeza	I should get some sleep
09:04	kaeza	local only
09:04	kaeza	most of the time
09:04	Aqua	:/
09:04	kaeza	have player some time with Kacey
09:04	kaeza	and now with Vanessa
09:04	Aqua	its 8pm
09:05	VanessaE	server down for a sec, kaeza
09:05	VanessaE	and, up.
09:05	ruskie	Aqua, welcome to the internetz where timezones are many ;)
09:05	Aqua	can i play?
09:05	Aqua	when i get 0.4.4
09:05	Aqua	i know
09:05	kaeza	V: going in
09:06	kaeza	Aqua: you use Linux?
09:06	Aqua	not yet
09:06	kaeza	oh
09:06	kaeza	then it may be a tad harder on you
09:06	kaeza	to compile minetest
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09:08	kaeza	hey rsiska
09:08	Aqua	hi
09:11	Aqua	http://kaeza.users.sf.net
09:11	kaeza	what about it?
09:11	Aqua	you know java?
09:11	kaeza	that pic looks UGLY!
09:12	kaeza	a bit
09:12	kaeza	a bit about java why?
09:15	Aqua	can i downlaod legend of cosmo?
09:19	kaeza	If you want
09:19	kaeza	it's not even a game yet
09:20	Aqua	why isnt it a game?
09:20	kaeza	It has more bugs than my house (if that is possible) and the story isn't very developed yet
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09:20	kaeza	hey rob
09:20	Aqua	is it written in java?
09:20	kaeza	no
09:21	kaeza	in plain C
09:21	kaeza	(i.e: no C++ either)
09:21	Aqua	r u still working on it?
09:22	kaeza	a bit, whenever i have the time and this IRC channel leaves me alone :)
09:22	kaeza	you like it?
09:22	Aqua	i like the characters
09:23	kaeza	maybe you can help me on this one
09:23	kaeza	do you know C?
09:23	Aqua	and i like the storyline :)
09:23	Aqua	a bit
09:24	Aqua	In Legend of Cosmo, you take the role of Strain, a young boy whose past is clouded in mystery, in a quest that may very well change the entire course of history.
09:24	kaeza	yup that summarizes it
09:24	kaeza	but between the time you know Strain, and the end of e game there is nothing
09:25	kaeza	well, maybe a crappy story
09:25	Aqua	how much of it is done?
09:26	kaeza	oh, I forgot to mention, thanks :)
09:26	* kaeza	is sorry because he is a bit drunk
09:26	Aqua	is it finished
09:27	* Aqua	says h
09:27	kaeza	maybe let's say a 2% of what I had planned
09:27	Aqua	when did u start?
09:27	Aqua	i like it tho
09:27	kaeza	the first log entries say around Augustu his year
09:27	OldCoder	Good morning
09:28	VanessaE	morning OC.
09:28	Aqua	hi
09:28	kaeza	morning coder
09:28	OldCoder	Bright and early here 1:27am
09:28	kaeza	it's 7:25 AM here
09:28	Aqua	8.36pm
09:29	kaeza	(yup, this fine IRC channel kept me from sleeping :) )
09:29	Aqua	(yup, this fine IRC channel kept me from going to sleep :) )
09:29	kaeza	Aqua: thanks
09:29	kaeza	:)
09:30	kaeza	not a nativ speaker, sorry
09:30	kaeza	native*
09:30	Aqua	..........wasnt suppose to correct u
09:30	kaeza	nevermind them
09:30	kaeza	then* HECK
09:31	kaeza	V: is server still up?
09:31	* Aqua	says YOLO
09:31	Aqua	whats abm again?
09:31	Aqua	a block manufacturer?
09:32	kaeza	advanced bloated macroalgorithm?
09:32	kaeza	#YOLO
09:32	Aqua	automatic blueberry mixer?
09:33	Aqua	Anti-Ballistic Missile
09:33	kaeza	lol
09:34	Aqua	Aggressive Behavior Management
09:34	Aqua	Angry Bald Man?
09:34	Aqua	Anything but Microsoft?
09:34	kaeza	I legitimately lol'd at that one!
09:35	Aqua	what is it?
09:35	Aqua	brb
09:35	kaeza	k
09:38	kaeza	good night/morning guys, see you later
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09:57	Calinou	http://c55.me/blog/ < clementine player :D
09:59	Kray	yup
09:59	Calinou	because all other music players on linux are half-assed, /me uses clementine on xfce
09:59	Calinou	qt apps in gtk DE FTW
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10:36	OldCoder	I have not quite woken up
10:36	OldCoder	Resting again for a while
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11:30	Calinou	wha--
11:30	Calinou	if I want to install gedit, I have to install zeitgeist
11:30	Calinou	SEEMS LEGIT
11:32	* Calinou	installed geany instead
11:35	thexyz	i was hoping for "***Calinou installed vim/emacs instead"
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11:36	thexyz	>Zeitgeist is a service which logs the users's activities and events, anywhere from files opened to websites visited and conversations.
11:37	thexyz	awesome
11:37	ruskie	lol
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13:02	Ragnar_	hi!
13:02	Ragnar_	hey who can help me with a mod im making?
13:02	Ragnar_	VanessaE
13:07	VanessaE	bbl.
13:08	VanessaE	sorry, you just missed me. I'm headed off to bed.
13:08	VanessaE	night
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13:12	Ragnar_	ow ok
13:12	Ragnar_	gnight :D
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13:25	Ragnar_	hey does somebody know someone whos email is nathan.boulchlaposte.net
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13:35	Ragnar_	hi
13:35	Ragnar_	:)
13:36	Ragnar_	hey who uses ubuntu?
13:36	Ragnar_	or fedora?
13:38	Ragnar_	cause i'm using an ubuntu version that looks like fedora :S
13:38	Ragnar_	xD
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13:39	Ragnar_	oh hey penguin!
13:40	KikaRz-away	Hi there
13:42	Ragnar_	oh hey :D
13:42	Ragnar_	you didnt answer 2 days ago :D
13:42	Ragnar_	remember?
13:43	Ragnar_	hey where can i find the ubuntu version of minetest?
13:45	Ragnar_	im using ubuntu 9.something...
13:45	Ragnar_	so its pretty old and laggy...
13:49	Ragnar_	KikaRz
13:49	Ragnar_	:D
13:53	Taoki	Anyone know how on earth you download a diff from a branch on its github page? It has options to show the changes, commits, etc. but no button to download a diff
13:55	ruskie	probably via the raw url
13:56	ruskie	but frankly... just git clone the lot... setup the branches you want to diff then git diff branch1 branch2 > diff
14:03	KikaRz-away	going to compile some things
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14:33	KikaRz	Hi there :D
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14:40	Penguin	hi
14:41	KikaRz	hi
14:41	KikaRz	im building new 3d players minetest version
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14:51	KikaRz	Oh godf
14:51	KikaRz	so many warnings
14:52	KikaRz	so many warniiing
14:52	ruskie	nothing wrong with those
14:53	KikaRz	in windows
15:05	KikaRz	a lot of warning lines
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15:13	Penguin	hi
15:14	babyface1031	hi
15:20	KikaRz	NOW:
15:20	KikaRz	123 Errors 18922 Warnings
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15:23	PilzAdam	Hello everyone!
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15:29	KikaRz	PilzAdam
15:29	KikaRz	123 Errors and 18922 Warnings during Minetest (new version) compilation.
15:29	KikaRz	in VS
15:30	PilzAdam	well, use Linux ;-)
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15:32	PilzAdam	KikaRz, did you installed all dependencies?
15:32	KikaRz	Not Linux
15:32	KikaRz	Windows
15:32	KikaRz	to compile with Direct3D
15:32	KikaRz	Files are just jmutex.h
15:33	KikaRz	Gangnam style views: 826061391
15:34	KikaRz	We kill Justin Bieber, so now, get the 1,000,000,000ï»¿ views!
15:34	KikaRz	azertyg8 hÃ¡ 44 segundos 5
15:34	KikaRz	azertyg8 said that at 44 seconds. 5 likes
15:39	KikaRz	XD
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15:39	KikaRz	all dislikes are just from justin bieber fans
15:40	crusty	dammit D:
15:40	crusty	seriously? :D
15:40	KikaRz	yep
15:40	crusty	KikaRz: http://www.tinyurl.pl/?BQI90ea9
15:42	KikaRz	so, batman style
15:42	KikaRz	not gangnam xd
15:42	KikaRz	:P
15:42	KikaRz	bye
15:42	KikaRz	Physical Education
15:42	crusty	:D
15:43	crusty	$home
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15:43	KikaRz	$home
15:43	KikaRz-away	fail
15:43	KikaRz-away	bug
15:43	KikaRz-away	by
15:43	KikaRz-away	see you later
15:43	crusty	i mean $HOME
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15:49	PilzAdam	http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=53659
15:50	PilzAdam	^ can some people please answer to this?
15:52	PilzAdam	yep
15:55	Lumpio-	If they get converted, how come some of them are flipped
15:56	jin_xi	are those doors automatable via mesecons or similar?
15:56	PilzAdam	no
15:56	PilzAdam	mesecon doesnt support defining the functions in the node definition so its not possible
15:58	PilzAdam	Lumpio-, the direction doesnt get converted correctly (sometimes)
15:59	PilzAdam	oh, and please reply in the topic so others can see what you think
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16:09	Taoki	http://i46.tinypic.com/j5fd35.png MineTest with real lighting (replacing the fake voxel light system). I got this done out of an experiment to implement parallax mapping... obviously it is just a test
16:10	PilzAdam	triple post?
16:11	Taoki	There are different people on different channels, so posting for everyone
16:11	KikaRz-away	BACK
16:12	KikaRz-away	who can give me the Win32 version of the 3d players game
16:12	KikaRz-away	?
16:12	KikaRz-away	with d3d support
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16:16	thexyz	http://minetest.ru/prowseed-minetest-net/
16:19	KikaRz	that is?
16:24	jin_xi	thexyz: looks nice
16:26	thexyz	lol, looks fine in lynx http://api.browsershots.org/png/original/18/18227502b297d0a0b61a75195285f2a7.png
16:28	thexyz	well, i'm not a pro at css/html
16:29	PilzAdam	any 0.4.4 servers?
16:30	KikaRz	0.4.4 ?
16:30	KikaRz	o.o
16:30	thexyz	PilzAdam: why do you need it?
16:31	KikaRz	it maybe its 0.5 or 0.4.4..
16:35	NekoGloop	Or maybe it's dead.
16:35	KikaRz	No it isnt NekoGloop, dont be stupid
16:37	KikaRz	well
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16:37	KikaRz	NekoGloop
16:37	KikaRz	you're right
16:37	KikaRz	http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3859
16:37	KikaRz	celeron is blocking everything
16:37	KikaRz	and killing it
16:38	KikaRz	anyways, we will be all working on it
16:39	NekoGloop	Yes but at one point, there will be no "base minetest", just a buttton of incompatible recodings.
16:39	thexyz	lol, nice joke
16:40	NekoGloop	What joke? RBA sees that nothing is happening.
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16:40	NekoGloop	Why cant you?
16:40	thexyz	i cant what?
16:41	NekoGloop	See that nothing is happening.
16:41	thexyz	because it's not true
16:41	thexyz	you are the one who is blind ^^
16:41	KikaRz	Hi Muadtralk
16:41	KikaRz	bad news
16:41	PilzAdam	thexyz, i want to see 3D models in action again ;-)
16:41	Muadtralk	bad news?
16:42	thexyz	PilzAdam: well, I can set up server for that
16:42	PilzAdam	would be nice
16:42	KikaRz	CANT PLAY :(
16:42	Muadtralk	hmmm
16:42	Muadtralk	let me check
16:42	Muadtralk	it might have crashed
16:43	KikaRz	nope
16:43	KikaRz	not that problem
16:43	KikaRz	but yes: When i compile it
16:43	KikaRz	it gives me a lot of errors
16:45	Muadtralk	ahhh
16:45	Muadtralk	thats what you get for using windows
16:45	Muadtralk	:D
16:45	thexyz	PilzAdam: minetest.ru:12345
16:46	KikaRz	muadtralk
16:46	KikaRz	compile me it for windows with d3d support :P
16:46	NekoGloop	KikaRz: Haha you funny.
16:47	KikaRz	shut up NekoGloop
16:47	Muadtralk	ever try sfan5?
16:47	KikaRz	sfan5 is not compiled for D3D
16:47	KikaRz	i've tried.
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16:47	Muadtralk	or look in c55's blog? I would assume he has compiled 0.4.4 already
16:48	KikaRz	No he dont have
16:49	KikaRz	Last post of blog: WTF is musicd?
16:49	KikaRz	The other: The anniversary of 0.3.1 AND 0.4-dev
16:49	Jordach	oh hai guys
16:49	Muadtralk	c55 must be getting lazy then
16:49	thexyz	ok, I'll build 0.4.4 for windows
16:50	KikaRz	YAAAAAY :D
16:50	KikaRz	with d3d support plz :)
16:51	KikaRz	Muadtralk, he wants to kill the project.
16:51	celeron55	KikaRz's problem is that she needs d3d support and everybody is too lazy to compile with MSVC
16:51	KikaRz	celeron55, so, teach me how to.
16:51	celeron55	that's even harder
16:51	thexyz	well, I always do my build using MSVC2010
16:51	celeron55	that should make one person happy then i guess
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16:52	KikaRz	thexyz, you get 123 Errors and 18922 Warnings during Minetest (new version) compilation. ?
16:52	KikaRz	i get . '-'
16:53	thexyz	let me check it
16:53	KikaRz	What i just know making with VS2010 and Delphi: Applications, forms etc.
16:53	celeron55	by the way, wtf is this continuous "minetest is dead" "celeron55 is blocking everything" "whatever" discussion?
16:54	celeron55	is this some kind of a joke
16:54	celeron55	that i don't get
16:54	thexyz	some kind of stupidity
16:54	jin_xi	i think it people new to open source development style
16:54	PilzAdam	RBA is pissed off
16:54	thexyz	celeron55: have you already seen http://minetest.ru/prowseed-minetest-net/ ?
16:54	KikaRz	celeron55, ask to RealBadAngel
16:54	KikaRz	go on Forum Discussions
16:54	PilzAdam	he doesnt want to work with you anymore
16:54	celeron55	well, no can do
16:55	KikaRz	thexyz, site made by you? _
16:55	KikaRz	so beautiful
16:56	thexyz	KikaRz: design is by prowseed
16:56	KikaRz	xd
16:56	KikaRz	i know
16:56	KikaRz	i thinked that you were prowseed
16:56	celeron55	i'm currently looking a stuff that looks like this, rather than websites: 01:00:00:00:0a:80:84:01:81:84:01:82:84:01:83:84:01:84:84:01:85:84:01:86:84:01:87:84:01:88:84:01:89:84:01
16:56	KikaRz	Windows (XP/Vista/7)
16:56	KikaRz	Minetest 0.4.3
16:56	KikaRz	this is OS detector?
16:56	celeron55	at*
16:56	thexyz	that's plain html
16:56	thexyz	even without any links
16:57	KikaRz	Look his photo http://prowseed.com/graf/me.jpg
16:57	KikaRz	thexyz, you started compiling?
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16:58	KikaRz	welcome back Muadtralk
16:59	thexyz	KikaRz: working on it
16:59	KikaRz	My current wallpaper: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/82342922/images/minetest_blue1_small.png
16:59	KikaRz	by Calinou
17:02		Calinou joined #minetest
17:02	KikaRz	.by talking in calinou...
17:03	KikaRz	he appears
17:03	KikaRz	Wild Calinou appeared!
17:03	Jordach	hey Calinou
17:03	Jordach	apparently i can use my pc
17:05	Calinou	just seen this: http://minetest.ru/prowseed-minetest-net/
17:05	Calinou	this beats minecraft.net by far
17:05	Calinou	:D
17:05	Jordach	fuck yeah
17:05	Calinou	but it's not real :(
17:05	thexyz	why?
17:05	KikaRz	calinou
17:05	Calinou	the screenshots should be replaced with better ones, and the links should be actually made :P
17:05	Jordach	Calinou - the text is tho
17:06	Jordach	and we need css for new pages
17:06	Muadtralk	any good servers updated to 0.4.4?
17:06	Calinou	the screenshots near the download button are old, or have the HUD enabled
17:06	Jordach	nope nope nope nope
17:06	Calinou	Muadtralk: localhost, 127.0.0.1
17:06	Calinou	:D
17:06	Jordach	or 0.0.0.0
17:06	thexyz	KikaRz: http://rghost.ru/41829432
17:06	Muadtralk	mine is at 0.4.4 but...... nobody plays on it
17:07	KikaRz	Muadtralk
17:07	KikaRz	there is already a hoster
17:07	Calinou	I like the image with a laptop, but the screenshot is very old again :)
17:07	Muadtralk	notihng a bit of photoediting wont fix
17:07	Muadtralk	nothing*
17:07	KikaRz	calinou
17:08	KikaRz	i use your wallpaper
17:09	KikaRz	downloading, thexyz.
17:09	thexyz	fuck, ompldr is broken, >Ouch, db error: Lock wait timeout exceeded; try restarting transaction
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17:10	Calinou	use pastebin, paste binary, tell guy to paste it in a text file and make it binary, ???, PROFIT
17:10	Calinou	unfortunately this isn't possible :(
17:10	KikaRz	lol * Muadtralk (~sdzenunaffiliated/muadtralk) saiu de #minetest ("ISON jordan4ibanez PilzAdam ray8888 OldCoder RealBadAngel NekoGloop GloopMaster VanessaE MiJyn hmmmmmm Taoki Jordach thexyz")
17:10	KikaRz	left from*
17:10	thexyz	Calinou: why not?
17:10	NekoGloop	He doesnt ever leave any of the userchats.
17:11	KikaRz	uuh...
17:11	KikaRz	thexyz
17:11	KikaRz	the game minetest_game (better, the folder from games "minetest_game) is not there
17:12	Calinou	thexyz: how are you supposed to do this? :P
17:12	thexyz	then place it here
17:13	thexyz	Calinou: base64 may help in this case
17:14	celeron55	yep
17:14	NekoGloop	KikaRz: Download it then?
17:15	KikaRz	i got it already.
17:15	KikaRz	nekogloop, next time, wake up faster.
17:15	NekoGloop	I am awake?
17:16	KikaRz	said that at 3 minutes
17:16	KikaRz	ago
17:19	KikaRz	thexyz
17:19	KikaRz	bad news for you too
17:19	thexyz	?
17:19	KikaRz	a sec
17:19	KikaRz	... bad news.
17:19	KikaRz	The game cant read file minetest.conf
17:19	Calinou	base64, best password encryption EVER
17:20	KikaRz	Using Renderer: OpenGL 1.1.0
17:20	KikaRz	hate this
17:20	KikaRz	i setted up in the conf file
17:20	thexyz	then switch renderer in .conf
17:20	KikaRz	video_driver = direct3d9
17:20	KikaRz	*i wrote there
17:20	KikaRz	and it could not read
17:20	KikaRz	i wrote there and dont changes ingame
17:21	Calinou	video_driver = software
17:21	Calinou	there, no complaining about version
17:21	KikaRz	I CANT RUN THAT SHIT
17:21	KikaRz	O_O'
17:21	Calinou	video_driver = burningsvideo
17:21	Calinou	:>
17:21	KikaRz	that neither
17:22	KikaRz	the graphics sucks at ALL!
17:22	KikaRz	bad news
17:22	KikaRz	the minetest cant read the file minetest.conf
17:22	KikaRz	software mode not accepted
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17:22	bulletrulz	hi
17:22	KikaRz	FIRST: in singleplayer, the game could make a minetest.conf file
17:23	Calinou	video_driver = null
17:23	KikaRz	but its not making
17:23	Calinou	FASTEST
17:23	Calinou	:p
17:23	KikaRz	neither reading it
17:23	KikaRz	null dont works
17:23	NekoGloop	video_driver = opengl
17:23	NekoGloop	Problem solved.
17:24	KikaRz	NekoGloop , shut the fucking up
17:24	bulletrulz	lol
17:24	NekoGloop	fucking up? What is this nonsense.
17:24	KikaRz	STFU = ?
17:24	Calinou	buy a better GPU then..
17:24	KikaRz	calinou, buy me one.
17:24	Calinou	no u
17:24	KikaRz	i didnt received this month
17:24	bulletrulz	KikaRz, that is shut the fuck up
17:24	KikaRz	... the same
17:24	KikaRz	just remove the ing
17:24	bulletrulz	no fucking is sex
17:25	bulletrulz	shut the sex up
17:25	KikaRz	...
17:25	bulletrulz	lol
17:25	bulletrulz	xD
17:25	NekoGloop	My god.
17:25	NekoGloop	Perverts. Perverts everywhere.
17:25	bulletrulz	now shut the fuck up means be qeuit
17:25	KikaRz	Pasting screenshot on Notepad... fail!
17:25	KikaRz	it was to past it in paint
17:25	KikaRz	not notepad
17:25	KikaRz	-.-
17:25	Jordach	Calinou - http://i.imgur.com/X4a4u.png - your wallpapers are awesome!
17:26	NekoGloop	Then shut the fuck up and do it, kika.
17:26	NekoGloop	Jordach: Le gasp. Le minecraft pocket edition lite.
17:26	PilzAdam	Jordach, is easy to make such wallpapers yourself; i did so in 2 mins.
17:26	NekoGloop	At least i have the one that keeps save files.
17:26	bulletrulz	OKAY SHUSHHH! everyone
17:27	NekoGloop	bulletrulz: Can i have a gwass of water?
17:27	Jordach	NekoGloop - /me does not give a damn about full versions
17:27	KikaRz	f*** you neko
17:27	KikaRz	i hate your stupid decisions.
17:27	Calinou	LOL
17:28	Calinou	Jordach: that looks good, though
17:30	Jordach	Calinou its a 16gb ipad2
17:30	Jordach	actually, it does look good
17:31	KikaRz	http://prntscr.com/knkd6
17:31	KikaRz	thexyz
17:31	KikaRz	and no, i dont have windows xp
17:31	NekoGloop	KikaRz: Hello Joao.
17:31	KikaRz	Joao its my brother
17:32	KikaRz	he formatted the computer
17:32	Jordach	and fucked it up
17:32	Jordach	>:)
17:32	KikaRz	no
17:32	NekoGloop	KikaRz: Save the file.
17:32	KikaRz	just made him better
17:32	KikaRz	what file?
17:32	KikaRz	i've already
17:32	NekoGloop	Minetest.conf
17:32	NekoGloop	And save it in the minetest/ directory, not the minetest/bin/ directory.
17:33	KikaRz	...
17:33	KikaRz	you stupid?
17:33	NekoGloop	No, you are.
17:33	KikaRz	where is the minetest.conf in another versions?
17:33	KikaRz	in minetest/
17:33	KikaRz	-.-
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17:33	NekoGloop	It is in minetest/
17:33	KikaRz	Yes it is
17:33	NekoGloop	So put yours there.
17:33	KikaRz	i know about that
17:33	KikaRz	ITS THERE!
17:34	NekoGloop	Then let it save its version, and edit that.
17:34	KikaRz	what version?
17:34	NekoGloop	You are a fucking retard.
17:34	KikaRz	Like you and who did you.
17:34	NekoGloop	This is the reason i dont like minetest's community.
17:34	NekoGloop	People who cant help themselves.
17:34	KikaRz	we arent like you.
17:35	NekoGloop	And cant understand the english language.
17:35	thexyz	KikaRz: C:\Documents and Settings\user\Application Data\minetest
17:36	KikaRz	thexyz, we aren't in Minecraft.
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17:36	NekoGloop	KikaRz: Well you cant seem to use the proper way so...
17:36	Calinou	thexyz: windows version is run-in-place
17:37	OldCoder	I am here
17:37	thexyz	KikaRz: wut?
17:37	KikaRz	Better:
17:37	OldCoder	NekoGloop, KikaRz you are both quite assertive
17:37	KikaRz	%appdata%
17:37	thexyz	i've tested, it works
17:37	OldCoder	KikaRz, I have not reviewed the pics but will do so today
17:37	KikaRz	OldCoder, his fault.
17:37	KikaRz	what pics?
17:37	OldCoder	KikaRz, avatar
17:37	KikaRz	ah!
17:37	NekoGloop	KikaRz: You're the one calling me stupid with no grounds.
17:37	KikaRz	ok
17:37	OldCoder	Folks I'll mute you if necessary
17:38	NekoGloop	OldCoder: Mute the channel.
17:38	OldCoder	That would be bad
17:38	OldCoder	I am sorry I wasn't paying attention
17:38	KikaRz	NekoGloop, you've took bad decisions. Nobody can support things that you can.
17:38	NekoGloop	KikaRz: What are you on about?
17:39	thexyz	Calinou: i don't understand the whole windows thing at all, for some odd reason it just stores everything in %appdata%
17:39	NekoGloop	thexyz: Nope.
17:39	thexyz	21:36:28: INFO[main]: logfile = C:\Documents and Settings\user\Application Data\minetest\debug.txt
17:39	thexyz	21:36:28: INFO[main]: path_share = C:\Documents and Settings\user\Desktop\minetest-0.4.4-minetest-ru-win32\minetest-0.4.4-minetest-ru-win32\bin\..
17:39	KikaRz	NekoGloop, about your computer specifications (my computer is not good than yours.(
17:39	thexyz	21:36:28: INFO[main]: path_user = C:\Documents and Settings\user\Application Data\minetest
17:39	thexyz	21:36:28: INFO[main]: minetest with SER_FMT_VER_HIGHEST=25, VER=0.4.4-minetest-ru BUILD_TYPE=Release RUN_IN_PLACE=ON USE_GETTEXT=1 USE_SOUND=1 STATIC_SHAREDIR=.
17:39	KikaRz	OldCOder
17:39	Calinou	thexyz: it didn't for me (windows 7)
17:39	KikaRz	got a problem in skin 3D
17:39	Calinou	back when I was on windows
17:39	thexyz	then my build is somehow wrong, feel free to make better one ^^
17:39	NekoGloop	KikaRz: What?
17:40	Calinou	you didn't use -DRUN_IN_PLACE=1 with cmaek :p
17:40	Calinou	cmake*
17:40	KikaRz	let me see
17:41	thexyz	Calinou: >RUN_IN_PLACE=ON
17:41	OldCoder	Hmm
17:41	KikaRz	hey
17:42	KikaRz	Could not open file of texture: character.png.
17:42	KikaRz	(thats the 3d one)
17:42	bulletrulz	windows 8 is a diesatster ,for the microsoft windows operating system
17:42	bulletrulz	now so was vista 7 and 2000
17:42	Calinou	windows 8 is a disaster for everyone
17:42	Calinou	every single window
17:43	Calinou	it's hard to help people on windows
17:43	KikaRz	yea
17:43	Calinou	windows doesn't respect any standards
17:43	KikaRz	i hate it
17:43	bulletrulz	THERE NOT ANDROID THERE FUCKING A PC OS
17:43	KikaRz	i've tested windows 8
17:43	Calinou	windows sucks in general (recognizes files by extensions, not MIME types)
17:43	bulletrulz	and there confused
17:43	Calinou	linux is only better. not different.
17:43	bulletrulz	well i bet u linux has got 3% uup lol
17:43	KikaRz	Who got a server for 0.4.4 ??? (that one with carts... 3d players... etc)
17:44	NekoGloop	Linux is only worse.
17:44	Calinou	PilzAdam: could you merge my pull request please? :D
17:44	Calinou	NekoGloop: reasons?
17:44	thexyz	KikaRz: minetest.ru:12345
17:44	thexyz	that one is without carts though
17:44	bulletrulz	NekoGloop, WELL your confused
17:44	Calinou	hardware doesn't really count, you're fine if you don't have AMD hardware :)
17:44	KikaRz	i want carts!!!! :'(
17:44	thexyz	ok, one moment
17:44	bulletrulz	ok so heres a myth WINDOWS HAS MORE HARDWARE COMPATABILTI THEN UBUNTU
17:44	bulletrulz	WRONG!
17:44	NekoGloop	Tis true
17:45	Calinou	yes, it is wrong, theorically
17:45	Calinou	linux drivers are in the kernel. not for windows
17:45	Calinou	but sadly, some hardware has no linux drivers, not even proprietary ones..
17:45	bulletrulz	see
17:45	bulletrulz	!
17:45	bulletrulz	ubuntu has more compatbiltie!
17:45	NekoGloop	Nope.
17:45	Calinou	or pretty much any distro that uses torvalds' kernel
17:46	Calinou	linux-libre HW compat is terrible :>
17:46	bulletrulz	another myth UBUNTU IS FOR SMART PEOPLE
17:46	bulletrulz	WRONG!
17:46	bulletrulz	joli os ubuntu and chrome os prove that myth wrong
17:46	NekoGloop	Ubuntu is only for people who can program a program to download the basic shit.
17:47	NekoGloop	Windows at least gives you a (shitty) browser to start with.
17:47	Calinou	ubuntu has a lot (== too much) software by default
17:47	Calinou	windows has a shit office suite by default, which is very locked unless you buy it
17:47	Calinou	and shit browser
17:48	Calinou	and shit editor that can't into non-windows encodings
17:48	bulletrulz	lol you have apperatnly never used ubuntu NakedFury
17:48	bulletrulz	NekoGloop,
17:48	Trezker	Ubuntu doesn't come with browser? I think it did when I installed it last...
17:48	bulletrulz	it does firefox
17:48	Calinou	it does
17:48	thexyz	it does
17:48	Calinou	but chromium > firefox :>
17:48	thexyz	it also comes with marketplace to download software
17:48	NekoGloop	bulletrulz: I tried.
17:48	Trezker	And you don't need a browser to download Ubuntu software anyway...
17:48	bulletrulz	NakedFury,= most likely never used linux
17:48	bulletrulz	no dammit
17:49	Calinou	it also comes with amazon search suggestions :>
17:49	bulletrulz	NekoGloop, = most likely never used linux
17:49	NekoGloop	Tell that to the installer that doesnt work.
17:49	bulletrulz	dude it comes with a browser a media player a software center!
17:49	bulletrulz	the installer didnt work on ur pc CHECK THE DAMN SUM!
17:49	NekoGloop	And a shit installer.
17:50	Calinou	TIL I could press windows+w to open a web browser
17:50	Calinou	did this by mistake :>
17:50	bulletrulz	THE Installer is easeir then windows
17:50	NekoGloop	Of course.
17:50	Calinou	ubiquity is the best installer eveer
17:50	Calinou	ever*
17:50	NekoGloop	You can also make keyboard shortcuts to icons on your desktop in windows.
17:50	bulletrulz	way easier then windows installer
17:51	bulletrulz	WHY THE FUCK would u want to do that!
17:51	bulletrulz	theres no point ?
17:51	NekoGloop	For me, ctrl+alt+M opens minecraft. ctrl+alt+T opens the Technic Launcher.
17:51	KikaRz	LOVE NEW CARTS AND 3d MODELS
17:51	bulletrulz	good for you we can do that too
17:51	Calinou	why would you buy windows anyway (when you have a computer with no os)?
17:52	Calinou	people still do this today, "because they want to play games"
17:52	bulletrulz	exactly
17:52	bulletrulz	LOL!
17:52	Calinou	i get pissed off whenever someone builds a PC then puts windows on it
17:52	bulletrulz	Calinou, +1
17:52	Calinou	it is possible to play games on linux
17:52	Calinou	and without wine, too
17:52	bulletrulz	its stupid
17:52	NekoGloop	Because people actually make and maintain stuff for windows?
17:52	Trezker	Can windows file browser do sftp out of the box?
17:52	bulletrulz	STEAM FOR LINUX
17:53	Calinou	proof: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1389546/
17:53	bulletrulz	NekoGloop, WINDOWS 8 wont let u install exe files on freaking the surface
17:53	Calinou	steam for linux is stupid
17:53	Calinou	proprietary DRM, go away
17:53	NekoGloop	bulletrulz: Free games then, that arent in beta/alpha/prealpha/minetest dev level?
17:53	Calinou	bulletrulz: because they can't run, they're not compiled for ARM architecture :)
17:53	Calinou	NekoGloop: sauerbraten, red eclipse, xonotic, openarena, warsow
17:53	thexyz	Trezker: windowz guys don't need that
17:53	Calinou	try these 5 ones
17:54	bulletrulz	NekoGloop, steam l4d2 works better in linux
17:54	Calinou	minetest doesn't feel alpha/prealpha/beta imo
17:54	Calinou	bulletrulz: it still requires proprietary DRM to be run
17:54	NekoGloop	bulletrulz: And windows 8 is not an os, it's a tech demo.
17:54	bulletrulz	minetest is kninda slow
17:54	Calinou	it's very fast
17:54	Calinou	for a minecraft-style game
17:54	bulletrulz	NekoGloop, windows 8 IS OUT!
17:54	Trezker	thexyz, are you saying windows guys don't need to transfer files between computers over the internet?
17:54	NekoGloop	Minecraft with optifine is faster. -_-
17:54	bulletrulz	Calinou, i meant that it is moving upgrading slpow
17:55	NekoGloop	bulletrulz: So? They slapped a price tag on a demo.
17:55	Calinou	if you have a good computer it is, if you have a slow comptuer it is definitely not
17:55	bulletrulz	NekoGloop, THATS EVERY OS DUMBASS
17:55	thexyz	Trezker: of course they don't
17:55	bulletrulz	the os is a demo lol
17:55	Calinou	bulletrulz: c-fifty-five is not getting money for making minetest
17:55	NekoGloop	bulletrulz: Windows XP
17:55	NekoGloop	Windows 7
17:55	thexyz	they use dropbox
17:55	Calinou	of course you can donate if you like his game, but you're not forced to do that
17:55	thexyz	or some other proprietary shit
17:55	Calinou	dropbox... lol
17:56	thexyz	NekoGloop: how do you "transfer files between computers over the internet"?
17:56	Calinou	well I use dropbox but I don't use the spyware client
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17:56	bulletrulz	ok and so ull pay 100$ for a freaking os when u can get a better one for free
17:56	Calinou	thexyz: scp! :P
17:56	NekoGloop	thexyz: Omploader usually.
17:56	thexyz	what if that file is.. umm.. 50GB?
17:56	bulletrulz	Simple Windows = shitty slow malware infected computer :D
17:56	NekoGloop	Course, if i'm just transferring files, just use a pen drive.
17:57	bulletrulz	linux = fast resourceful little easy
17:57	Trezker	if something is 50GB you make a torrent of course
17:57	Calinou	windows boots in 30 seconds until I can log in. then, I need to wait 30 seconds until computer is usable because of everything starting up
17:57	NekoGloop	bulletrulz: Same arguement that you used: bulletrulz= person who has never used windows.
17:57	bulletrulz	hahahah!
17:57	thexyz	Trezker: lol
17:57	Calinou	xubuntu boots in 30 seconds until I can log in. then, I need to wait 5 seconds until computer is usable
17:57	bulletrulz	acctlu this computer came wit windows 7 NekoGloop
17:57	NekoGloop	Calinou: In thirty seconds i can have technic pack loaded O-o
17:58	Calinou	same, preinstalled windows :/
17:58	bulletrulz	i used it for about 5 months
17:58	bulletrulz	then got my usb and installed linux
17:58	Trezker	I don't know how fast my computer boots. It's Linux, I don't remember when I last had to boot...
17:58	thexyz	NekoGloop: and if the other PC is located in over than 1000 km away?
17:58	Calinou	Trezker: what distro?
17:58	NekoGloop	thexyz: Why do i care then?
17:58	bulletrulz	Trezker, most likey around 30 seconds
17:58	Trezker	Ubuntu :/ But it's still pretty stable
17:58	Calinou	ubuntu is ok
17:58	Calinou	xubuntu is even better :>
17:58	thexyz	see, Trezker, they don't need it
17:59	Calinou	"ubuntu without the downsides"
17:59	thexyz	and then comes gentoo
17:59	Trezker	noone has ever used gentoo, they only compile it
18:00	NekoGloop	No seriously. Why the hell would i care if someone more than a mile away wanted a file?
18:00	bulletrulz	neko install ubuntu then tell me that were wrong
18:00	bulletrulz	Calinou, LUBUNTU for the win xD
18:00	thexyz	yeah, yeah..
18:00	bulletrulz	NekoGloop, CAUSE THATS WHAT COMPUTERS ARE FOR LOL!
18:00	bulletrulz	computers are for sharing files
18:00	Calinou	LXDE is way too featureless and not customizable
18:00	NekoGloop	bulletrulz: I tried, werent you listening?
18:01	thexyz	mate is fine
18:01	bulletrulz	NekoGloop, redownload
18:01	NekoGloop	It never loaded ubuntu.
18:01	Calinou	mate is ok, but uses obsolete technologies
18:01	Calinou	you can make xfce behave like gnome 2
18:01	Calinou	;)
18:01	Calinou	(and it'll be faster too)
18:01	thexyz	i've tried once..
18:02	NekoGloop	bulletrulz: And computers are for gaming.
18:02	bulletrulz	NekoGloop, WRONG
18:02	NekoGloop	You, sir, are sadly mistaken.
18:02	bulletrulz	NekoGloop, computers are for file sharing game systems are for gaminh
18:02	Calinou	computers are for anything, including gaming, making consoles useless
18:02	thexyz	not sure if trolling
18:03	Trezker	and the internet is for NSFW
18:03	Calinou	lol
18:03	NekoGloop	The internet is for online games.
18:03	bulletrulz	NekoGloop, dude u r really just saying shit like that
18:03	Trezker	and chatrooms are for FBI agents
18:03	NekoGloop	bulletrulz: No, you are.
18:03	bulletrulz	ok NekoGloop your logic is incorrect
18:04	NekoGloop	How?
18:04	thexyz	Trezker: i'd prefer KGB
18:04	bulletrulz	Windows IS For One Thing Gaming
18:04	KikaRz	going to study.
18:04	NekoGloop	KikaRz: This isnt facebook. I dont care.
18:04	bulletrulz	Mac IS For Picturing
18:04	Calinou	nope
18:04	Calinou	linux is for everything, including gaming and picturingf
18:04	bulletrulz	Linux Is For Everything Else
18:04	NekoGloop	Mac is for hammering.
18:04	Calinou	you just have to find the right software
18:04	bulletrulz	Calinou, ikr
18:05	NekoGloop	(By that i mean hitting it with a hammer)
18:05	Calinou	windows is not for gaming
18:05	Calinou	it's for playing DRM'd games. and you should not
18:05	bulletrulz	yea
18:05	Calinou	mac is for people who like walled gardens
18:05	Calinou	see 10.8
18:05	NekoGloop	And linux is for controlling machinery
18:05	Calinou	"oh, you downloaded software from the internet? hey it's b0rked" --OS X
18:05	bulletrulz	NekoGloop, is abousutly wrong!
18:06	Calinou	linux on the desktop is better than windows or os x
18:06	NekoGloop	Nope.
18:06	Calinou	1) you choose how it looks
18:06	Calinou	2) it is faster
18:06	KikaRz	2
18:06	NekoGloop	1) windows is also customizable.
18:06	KikaRz	2 ) its slower
18:06	Calinou	way less
18:06	NekoGloop	2) it actually boots some low form of protection on your system
18:06	bulletrulz	NekoGloop,
18:06	Calinou	you can choose the window color and wallpaper, nothing else
18:07	bulletrulz	1) windows starter edition is not customizable
18:07	Calinou	with linux you choose where your buttons are, how the alt-tab looks, how windows look, whether you want the X - + buttons to be at the left or right or window..
18:07	Calinou	and starter is not customizable. this is a terrible anti-feature
18:07	NekoGloop	Calinou: I dont care about that shit. Also, editing png files in C:/WINDOWS
18:07	Calinou	(it is technically, but you do not want to follow windows tutorials from the internet)
18:07	Calinou	2) it actually boots some low form of protection on your system < linux is much safer...
18:08	NekoGloop	Linux is safer? How?
18:08	Calinou	NekoGloop: windows transforms all wallpapers in .jpg format :P
18:08	NekoGloop	You get nil protection.
18:08	Calinou	NekoGloop: (almost) no viruses... it's safer by nature
18:08	Calinou	least privilege principe
18:08	NekoGloop	No viruses? You insane
18:08	NekoGloop	.
18:08	bulletrulz	WE DIDNT SAY NO VIRUSES!
18:09	NekoGloop	(My thoughts on this ipad are exempt from this conversation)
18:09	bulletrulz	linux has 800!
18:09	Calinou	linux is used by 1% of desktop computers, why would it have more viruses than windows which is used by 90% of desktop computers?
18:09	bulletrulz	windows has 900000000
18:09	bulletrulz	Calinou, its like 5% since windows 8 came out
18:09	NekoGloop	bulletrulz: And? More than 99% of those are detected by any kind of protection software.
18:09	Trezker	I've been to some scary places on the internet, but I had no fear, because I'm running Linux. I download and run crap without a second thought...
18:10	OldCoder	Where does BSD fit in?
18:10	NekoGloop	john_minetest: And could stay there.
18:10	Calinou	bulletrulz: not really
18:10	Trezker	haven't been bitten yet
18:10	OldCoder	Trezker, Remember that malware can get into Linux via browser addons
18:10	Calinou	people do not run linux "by mistake", unlike windows
18:10	Calinou	windows is still sold on every single computer in stores
18:10	OldCoder	Calinou, ditto
18:10	Calinou	will not change for YEARS
18:10	OldCoder	Well, 99%
18:10	Calinou	100% here, in france
18:10	OldCoder	Ah
18:10	Calinou	last computer with ubuntu seen in a store: 2007
18:10	NekoGloop	Because people want a profit.
18:10	OldCoder	No; it's business
18:10	NekoGloop	Linux doesnt allow this.
18:10	OldCoder	Monopolistic
18:11	Calinou	OEMs would make more profit by not putting windows and selling the computer at the same price
18:11	Calinou	:p
18:11	Calinou	android isn't FOSS, that's why it has viruses
18:11	Calinou	the only FOSS part is linux
18:11	Calinou	(GPL FTW)
18:11	* Calinou	doesn't have a mobile phone
18:11	bulletrulz	john_minetest, really u sure
18:11	Calinou	john_minetest: you want to use GPL when you deal with corporations
18:11	* NekoGloop	has one with something not even comparable to webOS.
18:12	Calinou	mobile phones deal with corporations (careers, app makers...)
18:12	redcrab	Avast / McAffe / Symantec Antivirus works on Linux ... often used on linux server that provide by a way or another file storage service (share, ftp and co) ... but for my desktop .. I use Linux lonely since 2005 and I never installed any antivirus of any kind ... I was never infected by any kind of virus ...
18:12	* john_minetest	uses a 10 years old mobile phone...
18:12	* bulletrulz	uses a rooted android which has no viruses
18:12	Calinou	antiviruses are pointless on any OS
18:12	Calinou	they're just spyware
18:13	Calinou	i ran windows for 9 months with no AV
18:13	NekoGloop	Calinou: Pls explain your logic.
18:13	Calinou	got zero issues
18:13	NekoGloop	Antivirus is spyware? Bitch please.
18:14	OldCoder	Linux has no viruses except for fake ones created as exercises. It does have malware of different types. Much rarer than under Windows.
18:14	redcrab	in the industry , on production server you can't place your balls on the table and say "Mr the customer you don't need any AV service" , 1st) they laugh at you , 2) Best way to make a career suicide..
18:15	NekoGloop	So while you all toil away with your easily hackable computers, i'll sit comfy and cozy with windows.
18:15	redcrab	With or Without Linux or any os of any kind
18:15	celeron55	well, generally you want to run antivirus if you're transferring files between windows computers
18:15	Calinou	i see "windows" ;)
18:15	bulletrulz	easable HACKACBLE COMPUTERS O:
18:15	bulletrulz	ur talking about windows right?
18:15	NekoGloop	bulletrulz: Hackers can easily get linux source code.
18:16	celeron55	also, there are viruses for linux too, but they have hard time spreading much because there are so many distros with different versions and combinations and setups of things
18:16	celeron55	also, if one runs a linux server, beware of targeted attacks by real humans
18:16	NekoGloop	celeron55: Did anyone ask for your opinion?
18:16	redcrab	on a network ... most industry use LInux / Unix in their environement with Windows Desktop, in front ... that why AV is a industry mandatory even with Linux/unix
18:16	celeron55	specifically targeted rootkits aren't that rare
18:16	celeron55	NekoGloop: the internet has a wrong
18:17	Calinou	it's not hard to break into a computer, regardless of security
18:17	Calinou	throw it, ???, PROFIT
18:17	bulletrulz	SOURCE CODe is not the os it seld
18:17	bulletrulz	its before the os is buld
18:17	bulletrulz	built
18:17	NekoGloop	bulletrulz: Seriously dude, learn to spell.
18:18	NekoGloop	Of course, i shouldnt expect that from a linux users.
18:18	bulletrulz	omg
18:18	bulletrulz	lol!
18:18	NekoGloop	And autocorrect of this damn ipad.
18:18	bulletrulz	NekoGloop, is a serous noob
18:18	* celeron55	loves flamewars
18:18	* bulletrulz	loves celeron55
18:18	bulletrulz	lol jk
18:19	Calinou	flamewars, the fuel of the internet
18:19	bulletrulz	yep!
18:19	bulletrulz	and the simple way to end
18:21	bulletrulz	lol!
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18:22	celeron55	thexyz: did you solve the RUN_IN_PLACE problem?
18:22	bulletrulz	hi Jave27_
18:22	bulletrulz	hi jordan4ibanez
18:22	jordan4ibanez	Hi
18:22	bulletrulz	hows you doing?
18:22	PilzAdam	Hi j4i
18:23	jordan4ibanez	Hi pilzadam
18:25	celeron55	thexyz: in a properly working minetest, it should say "RUN_IN_PLACE=1", not "RUN_IN_PLACE=ON"
18:25	celeron55	i don't know what ON does; probably doesn't work or something
18:26	celeron55	it kind of shouldn't even build with that...
18:26	thexyz	celeron55: hm... then that should be cmake-gui problem
18:26	PilzAdam	jordan4ibanez, where did you get the glass breaking sound for minetest++ (or blockplanet or how its called)?
18:27	jordan4ibanez	free SOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUND!
18:28	celeron55	thexyz: i have succesfully used cmake-gui in the past
18:28	celeron55	...i wonder if they have changed something in recent versions or something...
18:29	jordan4ibanez	Pilzadam: https://github.com/jordan4ibanez/BlockPlanet/blob/master/games/blockplanet/mods/default/sounds/Credits
18:29	celeron55	thexyz: how does your generated cmake_config.h look?
18:30	PilzAdam	jordan4ibanez, so it could be used upstream?
18:30	bulletrulz	got docky working in lubuntu :D
18:30	thexyz	celeron55: >#define CMAKE_RUN_IN_PLACE ON
18:30	jordan4ibanez	Yea man, they're all under http://creativecommons.org/licenses/sampling+/1.0/ so the liscenses have become useless, so now it is fttp
18:31	celeron55	thexyz: the way that is used goes like "#define RUN_IN_PLACE CMAKE_RUN_IN_PLACE" and then it is checked somewhere with "#if RUN_IN_PLACE"
18:31	celeron55	so that will definitely not work
18:31	jordan4ibanez	pilzadam: let me check all the liscenses
18:31	celeron55	it's 1 in my cmake_config.h
18:31	Calinou	fttp?
18:32	jordan4ibanez	Free To The Public
18:32	Calinou	nopez
18:32	Calinou	freesound licenses are pathetic
18:32	celeron55	thexyz: i guess you can find some kind of a solution
18:32	* Calinou	says: stay away from it
18:32	jordan4ibanez	the first one has an outdated lisense, and the next 3 are CCBA
18:34	PilzAdam	is the first one glass_shatter.1.ogg?
18:34	bulletrulz	MiJyn,
18:34	bulletrulz	hi
18:35	jordan4ibanez	Yes
18:37	jordan4ibanez	Pilzadam: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/commit/ffad18e42442fed10c312adc989fc62b74e05896 You put in 3d item drops? :D
18:37	PilzAdam	yes.. ?
18:37	PilzAdam	any problems?
18:37	jordan4ibanez	No, i was just asking
18:40	KikaRz-away	Hi there
18:40	KikaRz-away	Calinou
18:41	KikaRz-away	and OldCoder
18:41	KikaRz-away	got problem with 3d skin
18:42	VanessaE	hi all.
18:42	OldCoder	Hi
18:42	OldCoder	KikaRz-away, I only know about the 2D skins so far
18:42	OldCoder	VanessaE, Hi
18:42	* OldCoder	will be AFK on an errand for about half an hour
18:43	thexyz	http://ompldr.org/vZ2dreA/minetest-0.4.4-minetest-ru-win32.zip (if somebody is interested)
18:44	jordan4ibanez	thexyz: Woot!
18:44	bulletrulz	jordan4ibanez, what os you got?
18:44	jordan4ibanez	windows 7 enterprise 64-bit
18:45	bulletrulz	why windows!
18:45	bulletrulz	lol i thought you were a good guy lol!
18:46	bulletrulz	i thought u had arch?
18:46	jordan4ibanez	Shouldn't the client try to render nodes that use different params (like torches) in the param that they are in when they are placed? So that there isn't that weird jump from one param to another when a server is lagging?
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18:49	bulletrulz	http://coolrom.com/roms/psx/39641/Twisted_Metal_4.php Wanna of the best games for psx
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18:51	thexyz	enterprise?
18:52	bulletrulz	jordan4ibanez, did u pirate it
18:52	bulletrulz	?
18:52	jordan4ibanez	No, it's a free trial lol
18:52	thexyz	should be quite pricey
18:52	bulletrulz	oh lol so your gonna switch back to the free world xD
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18:53	jordach	There we go
18:53	jordach	iPad ftw
18:53	bulletrulz	booo
18:53	jordach	Boo
18:54	bulletrulz	android tablet ftw !
18:54	thexyz	lol, ipad
18:54	thexyz	throw it out and go buy some decent tablet
18:54	VanessaE	if anyone's running 0.4.4 and wants to visit my laggy little world, it's still at 24.181.193.82 port 30000
18:54	bulletrulz	thexyz, +!
18:54	bulletrulz	+1
18:54	jordach	Lol
18:54	Calinou	KikaRz-away: don't use away nicks
18:55	Calinou	just use /away <reason> and type it again when you are back
18:55	jordan4ibanez	No, NO, NOOOO, http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=netrunner Netrunner is GONE
18:55	jordach	Calinou, sfan does so
18:55	Calinou	thexyz: tablets themselves suck...
18:55	Calinou	no keyboard :facepalm:
18:55	PilzAdam	has somebody anything against this? https://github.com/PilzAdam/minetest_game/commit/c3eaa9cd64f24a55ce1fd2ff9fa0c9843597aebb
18:55	jordan4ibanez	Calinou, you're french right?
18:55	Calinou	netbooks are gonna die next year so they're the only option for small computers now :\|
18:55	Calinou	yes
18:56	jordach	Trololololololololol, iPad keyboard ca keep up with my mass typing speed
18:56	jordan4ibanez	Stop being french lol
18:56	thexyz	Calinou: tablets are good for movies
18:56	jordach	And other things too :3
18:56	Calinou	lolmovies
18:56	Calinou	TV == free (and legal) movies, even though they're shit
18:56	jordach	Lol, netflix
18:56	thexyz	(or animu)
18:56	jordan4ibanez	You're all retarded, go to hulu
18:56	Calinou	netflix sucks
18:56	Calinou	USA FTL
18:56	Calinou	MP3 FTW
18:57	jordach	Calinou, come to the uk, where shit tv is always found
18:57	Calinou	"Trololololololololol, iPad keyboard ca keep up with my mass typing speed"
18:57	Calinou	nice autocaps you have there
18:57	Calinou	nice typo you did there :)
18:57	jordach	(I do not joke about our chit selection)
18:57	Calinou	this is why i hate virtual keyboards :P
18:58	jordach	Calinou, do I give a single damn
18:58	jordach	+?
18:59	jordan4ibanez	Calinou is just seeing how butthurt he can get everyone
18:59	jordan4ibanez	Like, All free software is buggy, unpolished, and underdeveloped
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19:00	jordan4ibanez	It's a joke really, windows squashes linux, really
19:00	thexyz	the whole point of tablets is not content creation but consumption
19:00	sokomine	hi
19:00	Calinou	better buy a computer since you can do both..
19:00	Calinou	hi sokomine
19:00	thexyz	yeah, yeah
19:01	jordan4ibanez	The point of a tablet is portable computer, where you can't stick a laptop down, or it's unacceptable for a laptop to be there, or a laptop is too bulky or whatever
19:01	thexyz	how about 10 hours of lifetime?
19:01	jordach	Nekogloop, hello
19:01	jordan4ibanez	tablets: good for movie, good for ms paint, bad for productivity
19:01	jordach	Bullshit
19:01	jordan4ibanez	Type a 1000 word essay, on a virtual keyboard on a tablet, then fling your fecal matter around
19:01	thexyz	ipad actually is bad for movies
19:01	sokomine	right. my mobile phone proved useful for consuming stuff (or reading on the internet) but inadequate for working. lacks a real keyboard
19:02	jordach	Bollocks, I can type fine
19:02	jordach	Yo neko, welcome back
19:02	NekoGloop	Wut?
19:03	NekoGloop	Didnt know this irc app checked for if i am going to timeout. I figured someone kicked me out.
19:03	jordach	Neko, irc999?
19:03	NekoGloop	No, colloquy.
19:03	jordach	That's a lump of turd
19:04	jordach	Ok then, back to pinball it is then
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19:06	bulletrulz	back
19:08	bulletrulz	lubuntu is great !\|
19:08	jordach	Huh
19:08	bulletrulz	whats the de you guys use?
19:09	sokomine	new_style_water does not seem to work for me. activated it with the newest build and got this: http://www.zimg.eu/i/1381679975 (there ought to be water where there's dirt and stone)
19:10	bulletrulz	sokomine, what server u on?
19:10	sokomine	vanessas
19:10	sokomine	but that was just activating new_style_water
19:11	bulletrulz	whats the ip?
19:11	PilzAdam	sokomine, new_style_water is broken
19:11	PilzAdam	try it with 0.3.1
19:11	PilzAdam	farmesh is broken too
19:11	sokomine	ok. looked definitely broken. vanessa said i ought to fill a bug report? or is that bug already known?
19:12	sokomine	(i'm not sure if i need that option. was just trying it out because it sounded good)
19:12	bulletrulz	this is weird
19:12	sokomine	what does farmesh do?
19:12	bulletrulz	sokomine, can u tell me the ip?
19:12	sokomine	well, this is how that water ought to look (and does without new_style_water): http://www.zimg.eu/i/2255851993 (unspectacular screenshot without above bug)
19:13	sokomine	24.181.193.82 30000 but it's just for testing and might not be permanent
19:13	sokomine	(vanessas server)
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19:14	PilzAdam	sokomine, farmesh: http://c55.me/blog/?p=268
19:14	sokomine	there are working carts from pilzadam there. they have some bugs but most of them can be worked around or are funny
19:14	sokomine	hi mika
19:15	sokomine	doesn't tell me what farmesh is supposed to be. i know "far", but "mesh" in this case?
19:15	Mika_R	hi sokomine, you selling nyans on redcrabs server?
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19:17	sokomine	no, sorry, never found a nyan cat except those placed by other players
19:17	sokomine	ask vanessa or immanuel_kant. they seem to have large stores of almost everything :-)
19:18	sokomine	or try out the new 3d-player. that's really great :-)
19:19	VanessaE	hah!
19:19	VanessaE	the only reason I have "large stores of everything" is because I'm obsessive, but I have yet to find a nyan cat by digging around :-)
19:20	sokomine	how does one find them then? if not by digging around?
19:20	sokomine	i've seen several recently on redcrabs server. seemed almost like an inflation of them
19:20	sokomine	(cats placed by other players. not ones to pick up)
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19:22	NekoGloop	Unless you have gloopblocks (haha fat chance), that is the only way.
19:23	Mika_R	sokomine it was some qwerbs chests but also you had sub owner to that area, there was 1 nyan for show and 8 in the chest
19:23	VanessaE	dig around, or /giveme or creative inventory :D
19:23	PilzAdam	VanessaE, why did you closed the junglegrass pull request?
19:23	VanessaE	that's how.
19:24	VanessaE	PilzAdam: because you said it was "completely useless."
19:24	sokomine	yes, i've been given subowner of the entire dc town. makes it easier to build the borders of the university. but i'm not owner of any cats :-)
19:24	PilzAdam	VanessaE, that was a line comment; i commented on set_randomseed(os.time())
19:25	VanessaE	HAH!
19:25	VanessaE	I didn't even look at that :-)
19:25	VanessaE	I will re-open it.
19:25	sokomine	junglegrass isn't useless! that's very decorative
19:25	PilzAdam	you dont have to
19:25	VanessaE	ok, just pull in the latest junglegrass and put it in minetest_game/mods
19:25	VanessaE	be sure you delete the .git* stuff from the top level.
19:26	sokomine	ah. as part of default? nice!
19:26	PilzAdam	VanessaE, i still prefer this: https://github.com/PilzAdam/minetest_game/commit/e6c0b195664ca6cfe3ee346723bcc8dd0a5ee2a6
19:26	VanessaE	PilzAdam: email alerts don't make it clear when a comment is against a line or the whole commit.
19:27	PilzAdam	I disabled e-mail alerts
19:27	sokomine	it's good if the minetest_game improves and has more and better mods in it
19:27	PilzAdam	using web interface only
19:27	* VanessaE	shrugs
19:27	VanessaE	I don't like mapgen-based stuff like grass because it won't regrow if harvested.
19:28	PilzAdam	thats the more common way
19:29	sokomine	plus mapgen-based stuff doesn't appear when the mod is added at a later time. that forces players to roam around and load/generate new reagions whose sole purpose is to get the stuff that doesn't grow back. like scouting for papyrus on redcrabs server...
19:30	sokomine	on the other hand lots of mods that add plants etc. slower things down (at least if there are lots of them). but plants are so nice...and barren grass so boring
19:30	jordan4ibanez	What is a good backpack mod?
19:31	PilzAdam	the one you code yourself, thats my experience
19:31	jordan4ibanez	No sarcasm, please, is inventory plus good?
19:32	sokomine	i like it. the bags are very practical
19:33	sokomine	they arn't only useful for gathering stuff; they also help when building. with all those detailed blocks like stairs, slabs, microblogs, furniture, lights etc. the inv gets soon filled. bags help there
19:35	jordan4ibanez	hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
19:35	jordan4ibanez	PIlzadam, did you add the glassbreak sound to the init.lua
19:35	PilzAdam	it was there already
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19:36	sokomine	if you want to the the bags of inventory_plus in action go to calinous server or the kingarthur server. there they are in use
19:36	PilzAdam	https://github.com/celeron55/minetest_game/blob/master/mods/default/init.lua#L703
19:37	jordan4ibanez	Pilzadam: Oh okay
19:37	jordan4ibanez	Sokomine: Hmm, my server is technic cmobined with some other mods, so my inventory gets stuffed, sounds good
19:37	PilzAdam	jordan4ibanez, also TODO: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest_game/blob/master/mods/default/init.lua#L659
19:37	jordan4ibanez	s/cmobined/combined
19:37	sokomine	from a player's perspective the only disadvantage is that you need an empty inv once - to craft 4 large bags :-)
19:38	Calinou	lol @ glass sounds
19:38	Calinou	minecraft's ones...
19:38	Calinou	:>
19:39	Calinou	we still lack sound when stepping on glass, btw
19:39	Calinou	PilzAdam: you should make glass sound like stone while being dug or walked on
19:39	Calinou	erm, nevermind about the being dug part
19:39	dzho	heh
19:39	dzho	"glass ore" aka sand
19:41	sokomine	hm :-)
19:42	Calinou	torch ore aka coal
19:42	Calinou	:>
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19:42	PilzAdam	minetest ore aka irrlicht?
19:43	Calinou	opengl ore aka graphics card?
19:47	* sokomine	picks up a grapics card and stares at it, expecting it to drop an "irrlicht" item (maybe a pointer? object? who knows...)
19:49	hmmmm	well
19:49	hmmmm	there's a good idea for a total conversion mod
19:49	hmmmm	you wake up in the middle of an enclosed box with nothing but a circuit board at the bottom
19:50	iqualfragile1	cool stuffs guys
19:50	iqualfragile1	cool stuffs
19:50	hmmmm	and you build your own electronics
19:50	hmmmm	and each components' function or whatever could be defined in lua
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20:05	sokomine	hmm. seems the newest version does crash on older servers...or maybe it's something else?
20:05	VanessaE	I used it on redcrab's server last night and it worked?
20:05	VanessaE	it was crashy as usual, but no moreso than I've seen
20:07	Muadtralk	i cant connect to Infinity without crashing
20:07	sokomine	well, yes, the old version sometimes crashed as well. just had 3 crashes in sequence. but none on your server
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20:08	VanessaE	celeron55: you seeing this?
20:08	sokomine	i'll have a look if there's any pattern or helpful debug messages if it happens again
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20:16	jordan4ibanez	Does the latest offer any performance benefits?
20:17	VanessaE	not really that I've seen.
20:17	VanessaE	but the 3d player models + Muadtralk's player_textures mod = win
20:17	PilzAdam	not the windows win
20:19	VanessaE	celeron55: by the way, that mod ( https://github.com/sdzen/player_textures ) exposes a bug in the game or engine or something -- it only works if used as part of a custom game (that is <mt>/games/some_game/mods), but it's supposed to work as a regular mod (<mt>/mods/minetest) as well.
20:19	VanessaE	I'd file it on github if I knew where to start, seeing how it ain't my mod :-)
20:22	PilzAdam	VanessaE, maybe you agree that this is the more common way to add junglegrass: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest_game/pull/57
20:22	PilzAdam	regrowing junglegrass should stay as an additional mod
20:23	PilzAdam	everything is done is mapgen and no other node "regrows"
20:23	PilzAdam	and junglegrass shouldnt break this in default game
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20:25	Muadtralk	why not just bring back jungles entirely?
20:25	VanessaE	agreed with Muadtralk
20:26	VanessaE	forget junglegrass and bas080/jungletrees. give us back our jungles.
20:26	PilzAdam	that would be nice
20:26	Muadtralk	even though its useless so is gravel if you think about it
20:26	PilzAdam	but until the engine gets patched
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20:27	sokomine	it is decorative
20:27	jordan4ibanez	Pilzadam, you should apply that patch you made so you can make placenode sounds
20:27	PilzAdam	have to talk to an engine dev about that
20:27	VanessaE	then use my junglegrass mod and not your mapgen one
20:27	VanessaE	remember, mine grows the grass over time.
20:27	VanessaE	four sizes, similar to farming.
20:27	VanessaE	and the grass dies.
20:28	PilzAdam	but no other node has this behaviour in the default game
20:28	VanessaE	so?
20:28	VanessaE	farming will eventually won't it?
20:28	jordan4ibanez	NO
20:28	VanessaE	celeron55 said he wants to add that, as I recall.
20:28	Muadtralk	with better textures i hope
20:29	PilzAdam	the map is something static that is generated in mapgen
20:29	VanessaE	(except of course you have to hoe the ground to get seeds)
20:29	Muadtralk	no offense pilzadam
20:29	PilzAdam	:-)
20:29	jordan4ibanez	It will make the game heavier over time
20:29	VanessaE	yeah but if it's done at mapgen time, it will not work on old servers/maps
20:29	Muadtralk	but i dont know what those sticks coming out of the ground are
20:29	jordan4ibanez	It needs to be done in mapgen
20:29	VanessaE	because all the interesting map areas will have already be generated without grass
20:29	jordan4ibanez	If it isn't it will make servers lag to shit
20:29	PilzAdam	VanessaE, old servers have jungles...
20:29	VanessaE	been
20:29	Muadtralk	yes they do
20:29	sokomine	better seed-aquisition-methods would be a good idea. the current way leaves people hoeing and leaving farmland behind that will be covered with weed
20:30	Muadtralk	weed?
20:30	Muadtralk	we adding that mod as well?
20:30	* Muadtralk	pulls out a joint
20:30	VanessaE	PilzAdam: sure, if they were generated with 0.3.x.
20:30	PilzAdam	this farming mod will not go upstream
20:30	PilzAdam	heres my dev branch for farming: https://github.com/PilzAdam/minetest_game/tree/farming
20:30	VanessaE	but old maps also will have already been harvested of those things
20:31	Muadtralk	there should be a search function for commits
20:31	Muadtralk	it would make it less of a pain to backtrack on them
20:31	sokomine	er, no, i'm talking about normal farming mod from pilzadam and careless players not digging it up and turning to dirt-with-grass again after searching for seeds. that doesn't look nice then
20:31	PilzAdam	VanessaE, old servers can use your junglegrass mod to grow new junglegrass
20:31	VanessaE	just like sokomine said earlier, it's getting REALLY difficult to find stuff on old maps anymore
20:31	jordan4ibanez	It's because you must move forward
20:31	PilzAdam	yes
20:31	jordan4ibanez	you don't see any minecraft alpha maps out there
20:32	Muadtralk	I still have my pet firefly in gameboom
20:32	sokomine	and that leads to new areas genrated solely for the purpose of finding stuff like papyrus, yes. and lots of areas, lots of computing time just for the gathering of payrus
20:32	VanessaE	PilzAdam: sorry, in practice, your idea by itself sucks. :-)
20:33	Muadtralk	thats what gameboom has been doing for junglegrass
20:33	Muadtralk	it sucks
20:33	PilzAdam	why should every new map waste CPU because some old servers want it?
20:33	jordan4ibanez	Vanesse: So do most of your ideas, but no one tells you.
20:33	sokomine	hm. if i understand pilzadam correctly the mods in the default game ought to do all their stuff at mapgen time (which does lag considerably on my computer :-() - and things that grow can be part of additional mods?
20:33	jordan4ibanez	I am on pilzadam's side on this one
20:33	PilzAdam	sokomine, yep
20:33	jordan4ibanez	Fuck the old servers, we're in 0.4.4 time to move on
20:33	PilzAdam	and it uses existing dry shrub code
20:34	PilzAdam	so no CPU increase at al
20:34	Muadtralk	jordan4ibanez why does making flatlands have to lag so much?
20:34	PilzAdam	jordan4ibanez, +154694546545456456
20:34	VanessaE	jordan4ibanez: I already know my ideas suck. no one has to tell me. But I keep trying anyway until I come up with something that doesn't suck :-)
20:34	Muadtralk	i altered it to create a nyanland for myself
20:34	jordan4ibanez	Because it uses a strange ass function to generate flatland
20:34	Muadtralk	with moving nyancats and everything
20:34	Muadtralk	2 fps
20:34	Muadtralk	but it looks so pretty
20:34	jordan4ibanez	I'd have to mod the engine to include flatlands
20:35	sokomine	well...the re-growing plants are very nice :-) flowrs, junglegrass, bushes, payrus, cactus, ...
20:35	VanessaE	sokomine makes a good point - we got enough stuff in mapgen already that makes the server lag then. slowly-growing items like flowers or grass doesn't do that,
20:35	sokomine	if they don't regrow it's not so nice. but lag is another consideration. hm. isn't there a way to do it better? maybe stuff planted by players could regrow?
20:35	Muadtralk	I say we need more biomes first
20:35	Muadtralk	not the lua mod ones
20:36	PilzAdam	VanessaE, sokomine, my code doesnt increase CPU usage because it uses dry shrub code
20:36	Muadtralk	actual ones like the deserts
20:36	PilzAdam	hmmmm is working on that
20:36	jordan4ibanez	Why don't we completely remove lua modifications to the biomes completely?
20:36	jordan4ibanez	Lua mapgen slows down the entire game
20:36	VanessaE	PilzAdam: it does because you're spawning two nodes now instead of just one.
20:36	Muadtralk	agreed
20:36	PilzAdam	but until its finished we need to do it in Lua
20:36	VanessaE	means more stuff being spawned which means more CPU and eventually more lag at mapgen time.
20:36	sokomine	or if a player picks up a flower another one gets respawned? that way there would be no need for constant abms?
20:37	PilzAdam	VanessaE, compared to your abm its extremly fast
20:37	VanessaE	heh.
20:37	hmmmm	yeah don't worry about it guys, it's coming
20:37	* VanessaE	shrugs
20:37	* jin_xi	shrubs
20:38	* sokomine	picks up the shrub and places it into her collection
20:38	* PilzAdam	takes the collection and puts it in his collection collection
20:38	* jordan4ibanez	lights you all on fire
20:38	* sokomine	wonders where her plants have gone
20:39	* sokomine	replaces the fire with fakefire
20:39	PilzAdam	Ill make a forum topic about the junglegrass tomorow
20:39	jordan4ibanez	Make a forumspec so you can trade with the junglegrass
20:40	PilzAdam	gtg
20:40	jordan4ibanez	Peace
20:40	PilzAdam	bye
20:40	* sokomine	plants a junglegrass
20:41	VanessaE	so what can I do to improve the network latency of my server?
20:41	VanessaE	it lags all to hell if the player isn't geographically very close to me, despite my having ample CPU and bandwidth available.
20:41	VanessaE	and media download at login time takes an ice age because of that
20:42	jordan4ibanez	Hard drive
20:42	sokomine	the strange thing is that not everything lags. that walking around works fine is understandable...that probably happens entirely locally. but accessing creative inv is a pain
20:42	Muadtralk	you can try to see if my conf settings help at all
20:42	sokomine	no. can't account for so much lag
20:42	Muadtralk	i have them ridiculously low
20:43	sokomine	that wouldn't be harddrive but swapping old floppies as to the speed i'm experiencing
20:43	jordan4ibanez	Oh it can be
20:43	jordan4ibanez	My old server used to do that because of my old hard drive
20:44	Muadtralk	grrrrrrr linux isnt reading my floppy drive
20:45	Muadtralk	I WANT MY 1.4 MB!
20:45	sokomine	but...that slow? hm
20:45	sokomine	even if the hard drive where slow...linux does cache the data into ram if there is enough ram....
20:45	jordan4ibanez	http://www.geek.com/articles/games/valve-adding-5000-steam-for-linux-beta-testers-today-20121123/
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20:48	harrison	crustimony proseedcake
20:49	sokomine	6% media....
20:49	sokomine	maybe i ought to check for package lost or something....
20:49	jordan4ibanez	I think pinguy os is one of the sloppiest distros i've ever seen lol
20:50	KikaRz-away	bye
20:50	KikaRz-away	come back in a week
20:50	jordan4ibanez	I mean look at this http://pinguyos.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Desktop.jpg
20:50	sokomine	ping-time ~125 ms
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20:51	sokomine	too many images, too few text. but that's something most guis have in common
20:52	sokomine	local german server gets 46 ms ping time. so that can't account for the lag
20:52	jordan4ibanez	Yea, the guy like crammed so many apps it looks displeasing, i remember when i had a dualcore with 2gb of ram and it ate it all up
20:53	jordan4ibanez	Oh yea, pearos was my favourite distro! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtjW9Z_8ZCU
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21:04	jordan4ibanez	Bye all you beaaaaaaauuuutiful peopleeeeeeeeeeee
21:47	sokomine	my ping time is fine: 125 ms half accross the world. that's ok i think. what isn't ok is the reply time within minetest
21:48	VanessaE	it's celeron55's congestion control. It badly overestimates.
21:51	jin_xi	try the tcp branch
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21:59	sokomine	after logging onto another server and getting a black screen, then pressing f10: "Could not find win32 key for x11 key.: 269024778"
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22:10	VanessaE	Taoki: try again.
22:11	Taoki	VanessaE: Very slow. Wouldn't be surprised if it takes 10 minutes to log in. Been that way since last night though
22:11	sokomine	be glad if it doesn't take you more than half an hour sigh
22:11	VanessaE	Taoki: it might be faster now.
22:11	Taoki	I hear the sounds, but it's still not rendering anything
22:11	VanessaE	I'm getting, at beast, 1 to 2 of magnitude LESS than I can sustain.
22:12	VanessaE	best*
22:12	VanessaE	orders of magnitude*
22:12	VanessaE	guess I out a word ;)
22:12	sokomine	ah. i see you already "walking", taoki (in that logging-in-walking-state)
22:12	Taoki	I don't see anything
22:13	Taoki	it barely loads. Still says media is at 0%. Which is not the ambience mod, something is badly blocking the server or connection is very slow with it
22:13	VanessaE	it's celeron55's congestion management code.
22:13	VanessaE	it vastly overestimates the actual amount of congestion.
22:14	VanessaE	so that an empty pipe looks congested if the connection is geographically too long.
22:14	sokomine	oh, once you have loaded the data the next connection might be faster - less than a minute!
22:14	sokomine	hm
22:15	Taoki	5 minutes and nothing
22:16	Taoki	yeah
22:16	VanessaE	restarting the server...
22:16	sokomine	welcome :-) it took me more than 5 minutes
22:16	VanessaE	ok, up
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22:16	kaeza	hey guys
22:17	sokomine	hi
22:17	kaeza	what's up?
22:18	VanessaE	hey kaeza
22:18	sokomine	vanessas server. the network connection is due to not yet entirely determined reason extraordinary slow and requires communicaton over irc
22:18	Uberi	one of the routers might be transmitting via carrier pidgeon
22:18	VanessaE	lol
22:19	kaeza	lol
22:19	sokomine	the internet connection looks fine according to ping. just minetest doesn't really get through. seems each bit is send per ship....
22:19	kaeza	V is your server still up?
22:19	kaeza	wanna test it
22:19	Taoki	Clearly the server connection has big issues
22:19	sokomine	believe me, carrier pidgeon would be faster. the pidgeon would have died of old age in the meantime! :-)
22:19	kaeza	this
22:20	kaeza	^
22:20	kaeza	is untrue
22:20	Uberi	it might be if it's a really old pidgeon :P
22:21	sokomine	:-)
22:21	sokomine	well, it's a long way ,-)
22:21	VanessaE	Uberi: kaeza it is up, yes
22:21	VanessaE	oops
22:21	* kaeza	is having a bad hanover
22:21	VanessaE	kaeza, it's up.
22:21	kaeza	hangover*
22:21	kaeza	ok
22:21	VanessaE	44.181.193.82 port 30000
22:21	Uberi	can't wait for 0.4.4, they just boosted the sync rate to 10/s
22:22	sokomine	oh...f10 wasn't a good idea
22:22	VanessaE	0.4.4 is already out.
22:22	kaeza	oh and BTW how do you package minetest in a deb file? I'm not very good at that cpack thing
22:22	VanessaE	Uberi: that ^^^^^ IP runs 0.4.4 built from git pulled a few hours ago.
22:23	VanessaE	kaeza: I use checkinstall.
22:23	Uberi	oh neat
22:23	Taoki	Yeah, I can't connect... something is awfully wrong
22:23	kaeza	I can't either
22:23	kaeza	you sure it's the right IP?
22:23	Uberi	VanessaE: was this happening yesterday?
22:24	VanessaE	Uberi: the bandnarrowth? yes.
22:24	Uberi	:P
22:24	kaeza	yesterday it was 24.181.193.82
22:24	VanessaE	it's better today thanks to Muadtralk's help, but still 1-2 orders of magnitude less than I can actually sustain.
22:24	sokomine	i'm getting the node-pictures. might not take much longer until i'm in again
22:24	Uberi	VanessaE: default texpack or HD?
22:25	sokomine	access to the creative inventory has improved considerably with whatever changes where done to the server
22:25	kaeza	I don't seem to be able to connect :(
22:25	VanessaE	Uberi: default textures, about 40 MB worth of media
22:25	VanessaE	kaeza: 24.181.193.82 port 30000
22:25	VanessaE	(not 3001)
22:25	VanessaE	(not 30001)
22:25	Uberi	40 MB? O_o
22:25	kaeza	yes, there was a typo in the IP
22:25	sokomine	ok...that was too early. hangs again, the creative inv
22:26	VanessaE	Uberi: yeah, but half of that is a mod RBA wanted me to test.
22:26	VanessaE	Uberi: that won't be permanent.
22:26	kaeza	ok connecting
22:26	Uberi	which mod, VanessaE?
22:26	Uberi	that is a ton of data
22:27	kaeza	40MB? wait.. what?
22:27	VanessaE	ambiance + technic extensions.
22:27	kaeza	ambiance is a CPU hog (at least when i tested it)
22:27	VanessaE	the rest all together is only about 15 MB.
22:27	VanessaE	kaeza: no major CPU usage here.
22:28	VanessaE	the server is quite lean.
22:28	VanessaE	Taoki: tarball of my cache folder: http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/cache.tbz2
22:29	sokomine	damage due to falling on the trampoline occours loong after i've stopped using it....
22:29	Uberi	hey distributing cache folders is an awesome idea
22:29	VanessaE	Taoki: that file is ~31.8 MB compressed.
22:31	Taoki	Same story. It appears the cache isn't the issue
22:31	VanessaE	weird.
22:32	Taoki	It's not the sending of assets, something else is the cause
22:32	VanessaE	but what? :-/
22:32	Taoki	ok, now it worked
22:33	kaeza	http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/30842485.jpg
22:34	sokomine	some exception: (none given, as usual) and error messages on the console: GUIPauseMenu: Not allowing focus change. ERROR[main]: Some exception: "basic_string::_S_create"
22:35	Uberi	hey didn't you already open an issue for that VanessaE
22:36	VanessaE	why bother? celeron55 won't listen and no one else knows how to fix it.
22:37	VanessaE	server restarted to revert that sudden night->day transition.
22:37	kaeza	just thinking, but does the protocol use some kind of hash?
22:37	VanessaE	dunno
22:37	VanessaE	except the filenames in the cache look hashed.
22:38	Uberi	MD5, IIRC
22:38	kaeza	I mean, compute the hash of a chunk in both client and server and if they don't match (or the chunk is not on the client) then the server sends the chunk (or even better some kind of diff)
22:40	kaeza	bbia
22:41	VanessaE	in a...what? :-)
22:41	Uberi	in a blank
22:41	VanessaE	lol
22:41	sokomine	doesn't that happen already? connecting to a server with lots of data the second time is much faster than the first
22:41	kaeza	back
22:41	kaeza	oh lol
22:42	kaeza	sokomime: yes, but does it do it in real-time?
22:42	kaeza	oh nevermind
22:42	kaeza	yes it does
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22:52	kaeza	I mean about the chunks, not the media
22:54	VanessaE	bbl, time for f00d
22:54	VanessaE	:-)
22:55	kaeza	buen provecho (don't know what the english phrase is)
22:56	VanessaE	server restart coming..
22:56	VanessaE	kaeza: in English we say it in french - bon appetit :-)
22:56	kaeza	k :)
22:56	kaeza	thanks for instructing me :)
22:57	VanessaE	or sometimes, "eat hearty"
22:57	VanessaE	bbl.
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23:03	sokomine	ah, the chunks. i don't know
23:03	Octupus	Hi
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23:03	Octupus	hi muadtralk
23:07	kaeza	hi Octopus
23:07	kaeza	hi Muadtralk
23:09	kaeza	http://sphotos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/399354_369550616472684_634938890_n.jpg
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23:12	Octupus	hi kaeza
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23:19	Octupus	hi dogzilla131
23:19	Dogzilla131	hi octu
23:20	Octupus	i saw your mod
23:20	Octupus	more flags right
23:20	Octupus	it is very nice :)
23:21	babyface1031	hi Octupus Dogzilla131
23:21	Dogzilla131	thanks :)
23:21	Octupus	hi babyface1031
23:21	Dogzilla131	ho babyface
23:21	Dogzilla131	hi
23:21	Dogzilla131	misspelled
23:21	kaeza	hey dog have you addes any flags?
23:21	kaeza	added*
23:21	Dogzilla131	nope
23:22	Dogzilla131	dont have ideas of flags, somebody got some flags that they want me to add
23:23	jin_xi	hm, so i have some mod ideas, wanna hear?
23:24	kaeza	jin_xi: yes
23:24	kaeza	what?
23:24	jin_xi	first one is simple: /facepalm chatcommand and animation
23:25	jin_xi	next: /whisper chatcommand, only players in radius 5 can see (hear) it
23:26	kaeza	lol
23:27	kaeza	Friend: "Hey bud! look at my awesome castle!" Me: (looking at 5x5 wood house) /facepalm
23:27	Uberi	hey 5x5 wood houses are awesome
23:28	kaeza	look @ this http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3475
23:29	kaeza	it uses only 3dforniture
23:29	kaeza	other than that, it's just vanilla minetest
23:30	jin_xi	boats are much needed
23:30	kaeza	+1
23:31	Uberi	I agree
23:31	jin_xi	i keep thinking of making some sort of jum and run games mashup in mt
23:31	kaeza	a multinode/entity boat would be good
23:31	jin_xi	jump
23:31	kaeza	a-la mario?
23:31	jin_xi	yup
23:32	jin_xi	fuckin' hell my laptop is broken :(
23:32	kaeza	that would be good to see
23:32	kaeza	wut?
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23:32	jin_xi	screen flickers all the time
23:32	kaeza	wb octo
23:32	kaeza	flickers?
23:33	kaeza	is the OS screen flickering or minetest?
23:33	jin_xi	jep, bad video signal connection
23:33	jin_xi	hardware
23:33	kaeza	oh
23:34	jin_xi	i should totally make a ? block, that spawns coins when you jump under id
23:34	jin_xi	then you can use said coins to play on arcade machine ;)
23:34	VanessaE	back,
23:34	kaeza	that has been discussed in the forums IIRC
23:34	kaeza	wb V
23:34	VanessaE	jin_xi: +10000
23:34	VanessaE	:-)
23:34	Uberi	hey VanessaE
23:35	VanessaE	two pieces of pie (one beef, one apple) down the hatch and I'm good :-)
23:35	kaeza	don't have the link to the topic handy though
23:36	kaeza	beef pie? O_o
23:36	VanessaE	arcade mod: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=52015#p52015
23:36	kaeza	oh nevermind
23:36	VanessaE	kaeza: beef "pot pie"
23:36	jin_xi	uhm, i know, i made it :)
23:36	VanessaE	jin_xi: I know that. :-)
23:36	VanessaE	kaeza didn't have the URL to it. I obliged :-
23:36	VanessaE	:-)
23:38	kaeza	k :)
23:38	VanessaE	jin_xi: want a custom skin in the server?
23:40	kaeza	oh and BTW jin_xi, can I propose this: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=53027#p53027
23:40	jin_xi	well, i kinda like the arcade machine RBA did ;)
23:41	jin_xi	and i hope for some sort of computertest mod someday
23:41	Uberi	hahaha that is incredibly clever
23:41	jin_xi	then your node would fit better
23:41	jin_xi	but yeah, go for it, its gpl licensed
23:42	jin_xi	or make your own game:
23:42	jin_xi	12 levels of minesweeper, suddenly BSOD
23:42	jin_xi	to fit the theme
23:42	kaeza	lol
23:42	jin_xi	Vanessa: what about a skin chooser mod?
23:43	* kaeza	is going to steal the idea of a minesweeper: the MinetestSweeper
23:43	jin_xi	a node that opens some ui so players can choose from a set of available skins
23:43	VanessaE	that might be nice
23:43	VanessaE	have it search the usual minecraft sites for now until a minetest skin repository can be added
23:44	kaeza	but can the ui be done in the current version?
23:44	jin_xi	idk, just have some default skins per server
23:44	Uberi	how do we host the skin repo?
23:44	jin_xi	keep it simple :)
23:44	Uberi	site hosted by c55?
23:44	jin_xi	later on, do mt gravatar...
23:44	Uberi	third party service?
23:44	VanessaE	well, right now it requires a server restart for a new skin to take effect,
23:44	kaeza	jin_xi: +1
23:44	Uberi	github repo? :P
23:44	VanessaE	so this is probably not doable in Lua yet without a code tweak.
23:45	kaeza	maybe code some kind of frontend for minetest?
23:45	jin_xi	well, if all the skins are present at server startup, cant they be changed?
23:45	VanessaE	nope.
23:45	VanessaE	I tried.
23:45	jin_xi	ok
23:45	VanessaE	even if you replace a file with a new one, the user can't just log out/in.
23:45	VanessaE	the server caches the image or something I guess.
23:46	jin_xi	but did you try without changing any files, but having multiple there from the start?
23:46	VanessaE	if no image exists and you put one in without a restart, the player will sign in with random colors and you get an error, all very much like when you define a node but forget to copy its textures in.
23:46	VanessaE	(unable to load file such-and-such, creating dummy image)
23:47	kaeza	hmm
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23:52	kaeza	<offtopic>take a look at this: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/screenshot_1058897008.png</offtopic>
23:56	kaeza	it's 100% natural
23:57	VanessaE	weird
23:57	VanessaE	I've only seen sand do that with worldedit //set air or similar
23:58	Muadtralk	ive seen it on old maps
23:58	kaeza	pos is (7,7,51) seed: 3588888916236329615
23:59	kaeza	it's on a world created on the brand-new 0.4.4
23:59	ecube	what?

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