Time Nick Message 00:00 NakedFury OldCoder what mods or updates did you do for the servers? at least on 30000 00:00 VanessaE ok, my test server now runs 0.4.4-release. 00:00 VanessaE sign on, look around, grief the shit out of it (or not), and have fun. 00:01 Muadtralk address? 00:01 VanessaE 24.181.193.82 port 30001 00:02 VanessaE lots of mods = it'll take a long while to load. 00:02 VanessaE blame celeron55 for the slow networking ;) 00:02 Uberi I blame the internet 00:02 Muadtralk even with my massive cache folder? 00:02 Uberi yeah, the whole internet 00:02 VanessaE well most of your cache should be valid. 00:02 VanessaE if not all of it. 00:02 VanessaE if it has the same md5's or whatever the client/server goes bt 00:02 VanessaE by 00:03 OldCoder NakedFury, quite a few 00:03 OldCoder NakedFury, I'll summarize in a minute 00:03 Muadtralk gah 00:03 Muadtralk i need a different version 00:04 Muadtralk im only one commit off :( 00:04 OldCoder NakedFury, bug fix to handle a crash, Flowers update, Scaffolding, Secret Passage, Unified Bricks, unique 2D avatars for players, and more! 00:04 * OldCoder bangs a drum! 00:05 NakedFury and something with stairplus? 00:05 OldCoder I don't think so 00:06 NakedFury some blocks like the 1/4 stick type block turned into unknowns 00:07 NakedFury I cant do super thin slabs or the other types 00:07 VanessaE anyone know which mod is it that supplies the /spawn command? 00:07 VanessaE (or any equivalent) 00:07 Muadtralk I know how to make a /spawn command does that count? 00:08 Muadtralk and i tihnk i remember 00:08 VanessaE heh, no :-) 00:08 Muadtralk let me fetch the link 00:08 VanessaE and I'm too lazy to code a new mod to do it :-) 00:08 Muadtralk http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=1203 00:08 NakedFury a /spawn command could be added to default minetest game 00:09 Uberi teleportation would be a bit gamebreaking IMO 00:10 Uberi got lost? low on health? just teleport to spawn! 00:10 Muadtralk isnt teleportation already in the default? 00:10 Uberi yes, but it needs a priv 00:10 Uberi the teleport priv, to be specific 00:10 bulletrulz hello 00:10 Muadtralk yes and its a fairly harmless priv 00:11 Uberi hi bulletrulz 00:11 Muadtralk i mean unles you know exact coordinates its useless 00:11 Uberi Muadtralk: F5? 00:11 bulletrulz jordan4ibanez, hi 00:11 bulletrulz Uberi, hi 00:11 Muadtralk and the only way you can get those is by going to the area and hitting F5 00:11 jordan4ibanez hi 00:11 bulletrulz Muadtralk, hi 00:11 Muadtralk or getting it from someone else 00:11 NakedFury if you want a more punishing teleport then options: A- make it cost something or B- by using it you lose all inventory items 00:12 Uberi Muadtralk: or stand outside a big wall, add maybe 15 to the coordinate, and teleport 00:12 Uberi bam, you got around the wall 00:12 sokomine besides...does anyone have a good solution for the problem with signs (those with letters on that can directly be read) and skyblock? the signs use add_node, which does not seem to call on_placenode (which skyblock needs in order to register that as a sign) 00:12 Uberi and in PvP servers 00:12 Muadtralk or dig through the wall 00:12 Uberi you're about to kill your opponent? oops, he teleported away 00:12 Muadtralk then he is a coward 00:12 Muadtralk and you win with no honour 00:13 Muadtralk so you must hunt him and kill him 00:13 bulletrulz wyd 00:13 Uberi :P 00:14 Uberi seriously though, it breaks gameplay if you can just teleport to -30000 and mine a whole stack of MESE and then teleport back 00:14 Uberi mining should require you to dig 00:14 NakedFury not all servers allow you to teleport 00:15 Uberi of course, and for good reason too 00:15 Muadtralk people who teleport down there usually arent good builders anyway 00:15 bulletrulz jordan4ibanez, 00:15 jordan4ibanez tghjhghgjhhdgfgjhdfkhdtkdrikryetutuetut 00:15 bulletrulz http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3864 IS THERE a linux build jordan4ibanez 00:15 Muadtralk yes compile it yourself 00:15 jordan4ibanez Linux build is cmake . -DRUN_IN_PLACE=1 && make -j28 00:15 Uberi Muadtralk: that is true, but it would be better to just remove the priv, no? 00:16 bulletrulz oh 00:16 Muadtralk not for those who actually use it for good 00:16 bulletrulz thats just regular minetest nvm 00:16 Muadtralk liek in gameboom i used to love going to the faraway places on the map with /teleport 00:16 NakedFury Uberi that priv is useful for server admins 00:16 Muadtralk like* 00:17 NakedFury they can teleport to problem areas or quickly reach players that need help 00:17 Muadtralk and making places far away from other players so they dont get greived 00:17 Uberi Muadtralk: I'm just not seeing how a survival server can call itself survival if they give their players teleport privs 00:17 Muadtralk it isnt a survival server 00:17 Muadtralk and minetest stopped being a survival game to me 00:17 Uberi I'm talking about servers in general :) 00:17 Uberi not a specific server 00:18 Muadtralk if i want survival I would go to minecraft 00:18 Muadtralk or player singleplayer 00:18 Muadtralk play* 00:18 NakedFury minetest needs something more to be about survival 00:18 Uberi that doesn't mean there aren't people who do play MT survival though 00:18 Muadtralk revise that play single player in minetest-delta 00:19 Muadtralk yes but the current version is so mob unfriendly that survival has become a joke 00:19 Muadtralk which is why i use older versions to play on survival 00:19 Uberi that's true, unfortunately 00:19 NakedFury survival from mobs would be nice and later from other factors 00:19 sokomine what does it take to make it "survival"? 00:19 jordan4ibanez WHERE is the sethome/setspawn mod 00:20 jordan4ibanez Oh right, I made one lol 00:20 Muadtralk yes you did 00:20 NakedFury well to make it survival would mean something out there can and will kill you 00:20 sokomine in mt there are annoying things like falling down, lava, ...in mc there seem to be mobs after you in the dark? pretty annoying 00:20 NakedFury maybe hunger or drowning 00:20 jordan4ibanez I remembered that right when i wrote that, so now I'm a douchebag :D 00:21 Muadtralk well i did give a link to your extracommands mod 00:21 Muadtralk so its somewhat my fault 00:21 Uberi well yes there has to be danger to make it survival 00:21 jordan4ibanez OH SNAP 00:21 jordan4ibanez jails are possible 00:21 sokomine hm 00:21 jordan4ibanez mount the player to a jail cell 00:22 Uberi oh cool 00:22 Muadtralk :D 00:22 Muadtralk grand! 00:22 Uberi someone make a mod! 00:22 Muadtralk quickly! 00:22 Muadtralk i want to trap unsuspecting players in it! 00:23 NakedFury jails are possible without mods, remove interact and place inside a room with no doors 00:23 bulletrulz how to install remobo on lubuntu lol 00:23 Uberi nah there's the fly hack 00:23 NakedFury remove all privs 00:23 Uberi there's no "move" priv so the fly hack still works :( 00:23 Uberi speaking of which, I was going to try to fix that one 00:23 jordan4ibanez Well if you mount the player to the cell, they cannot fly away 00:24 Uberi yep 00:24 sokomine that sounds a bit brutal 00:24 jordan4ibanez badingo 00:24 jordan4ibanez No it;s not, you just have to CUT OFF THEIR ARMS AND LEGS 00:24 Muadtralk :D 00:24 sokomine they where just recently attached! and now you want to cut them off! 00:24 * sokomine throws her arms up in exasperation 00:25 Muadtralk oy! its not like we have done it before? 00:25 Muadtralk oh wait.... 00:25 sokomine :-) 00:25 Muadtralk nevermind 00:25 Muadtralk that was a fun day 00:25 Uberi there should be a mod for that! 00:25 Uberi severable_limbs 00:25 * Muadtralk goes to get fitted for his straitjacket 00:26 bulletrulz lol 00:26 bulletrulz gosh what is with mods 00:26 jordan4ibanez bulletrulz 00:26 jordan4ibanez what happened to ubunite 00:26 Muadtralk ubunite.zapto.org? 00:26 Muadtralk i loved that server 00:26 jordan4ibanez no, splitpaw 00:27 jordan4ibanez like the guy himself lol 00:27 Muadtralk ohhhh 00:27 bulletrulz wtf happend when remobo wont install it says dependicie error chkconfig 00:27 Muadtralk mmmmmm 00:27 Muadtralk remobo has always hated me 00:27 Muadtralk but it used to have many many servers on it 00:28 bulletrulz wtf why wont it install 00:28 Muadtralk btw J4IBZ when are you going to restart infinity? 00:28 jordan4ibanez bulletrulz, aren't you ubunite's son or something? 00:28 jordan4ibanez I already restarted it, it's running right now 00:28 Muadtralk on remobo that is 00:28 Muadtralk i noticed on hamachi 00:29 bulletrulz jordan4ibanez, nope wtf lol i used to play with u and stormrider all the time remember 00:30 Muadtralk Mr. Craig please respond 00:32 jordan4ibanez to what 00:32 Muadtralk will you ever restart remobo? 00:33 jordan4ibanez Yes 00:34 Muadtralk when? 00:34 bulletrulz dammit why the fuck is remobo being a basterd 00:34 Muadtralk cause you didnt say please and kiss its ass 00:35 jordan4ibanez Maybe at 8:00PM Eastern/standard 00:35 Uberi maybe jupiter isn't aligned with saturn 00:35 Muadtralk hmmmm 00:35 Uberi you need to be able to see venus from outside your window in order for remobo to work 00:40 Octupus Burp? 00:43 Uberi hey Taoki, congrats on the merge 00:44 babyface1031 hi Octupus 00:45 Octupus Hi babyface1031 00:45 Octupus Hi Taoki 00:50 jordan4ibanez ping 00:51 Muadtralk pong 00:52 Taoki hi 00:52 Taoki Uberi: Thank you :) 01:01 Octupus Someone is smoking weed close to my house I can smell it 01:01 VanessaE save me some 01:01 VanessaE :) 01:03 Octupus Lolz 01:15 NakedFury something happened to the server, missing many mods 01:16 Octupus M 01:16 NakedFury no technic or moreores 01:16 Octupus What server 01:17 NakedFury bucket, creative, default, doors, dye, give_inital_items, legacy, stairs, vessel, wools 01:17 NakedFury server 30000 01:17 Octupus Minetest.org? 01:17 NakedFury yes 01:19 Octupus O 01:22 Octupus There's nothin better than drinking milo,playing FIFA and smelling those kids smoke weed 01:22 NekoGloop And trying to find compatible mods for the technic pack. Like the portal gun mod and lasers mod. :3 01:26 Octupus Cool 01:29 NekoGloop I just like jamming that thing full till it bursts! :3 01:31 Octupus :) 01:33 * VanessaE grumbles at Muadtralk.. 01:34 NekoGloop VanessaE: Why? 01:35 NekoGloop Oh wait, my join/leave messages are off. Derp. 01:35 VanessaE because he pointed me to his player textures mod, then signed off before helping me make it work. 01:36 NekoGloop Meow. :3 01:36 jordan4ibanez Muadtralk: add wienermcwiener on remobo 01:37 NekoGloop jordan4ibanez: Um... He left. 02:02 OldCoder 02:02 OldCoder This is an unusual step. I ask people to overlook it. 02:03 jordan4ibanez N®ž!NS⌠@R 02:03 OldCoder Landmine. In the next day or two if there is a chance I ask you to see me. I will ask a favor. It is not large and may be interesting. I will be at the keyboard most of the day except for errands to the corner store. 02:03 OldCoder 02:03 OldCoder Repeat. I am paging Landmine. That is all. 02:03 OldCoder 02:04 jordan4ibanez I am a land of mine 02:04 Octupus Landmine was here 02:04 OldCoder This land is mine land // This land is your land 02:04 Octupus Chee I an blind 02:04 OldCoder Octupus, it is not urgent 02:04 OldCoder New York Island etc. 02:05 jordan4ibanez http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBmJay_qdNc&feature=fvwbrel 02:05 VanessaE can someone test this please? https://github.com/sdzen/player_textures 02:05 VanessaE on 0.4.4 plug in a minecraft skin per the README for one user, see if it actually works? 02:05 VanessaE and tell me what I did wrong since it don't work for me :-) 02:28 NakedFury OldCoder server 30000 has no mods 02:30 OldCoder NakedFury, they all seem to be missing? 02:30 OldCoder Checking 02:30 NakedFury yep 02:30 NakedFury using /mods only shows default mods 02:30 NakedFury bucket, creative, default, doors, dye, give_inital_items, legacy, stairs, vessel, wools 02:30 OldCoder 01:48:18: ERROR[ServerThread]: LuaEntity name "signs:text" not defined 02:30 OldCoder Odd 02:30 OldCoder Shutting down 02:31 OldCoder Shutting down to avoid further damage 02:31 OldCoder Anybody else? 02:32 OldCoder NakedFury, Sorry. I'll try to figure it out in a bit. 02:32 NakedFury its ok 02:35 babyface1031 no all30004 mods are there 02:40 OldCoder I'll look closely shortly if I can 02:40 OldCoder Would anybody test other worlds? 02:44 * VanessaE gives up 02:53 * VanessaE pokes Muadtralk 02:53 Muadtralk yes? 02:54 jordan4ibanez maultdarakl 02:54 jordan4ibanez the server has remoboroaraom now 02:56 NekoGloop jordan4ibanez: I thinknk youu nede tu fdin rouy leplsing 02:56 jordan4ibanez hfkfdkljfakljasfkjaskjfskjgsdkljzskljds jksdfkldkljfsklj k 02:57 NekoGloop Can anyone understand what i said? :3 02:57 jordan4ibanez i think you ned 2 read epilepsy 02:57 NekoGloop Epilepsy has nothing to do with reading...? 02:58 jordan4ibanez In fact it does 02:58 NekoGloop I would know. 02:59 jordan4ibanez I do know. I mean, you read the word epilepsy, DIDN'T YOU 03:00 NekoGloop Nope. 03:00 NekoGloop Didnt bother. 03:01 NekoGloop Had my butler read it. 03:01 jordan4ibanez oh okay 03:02 jordan4ibanez 22:02 03:03 NekoGloop Hm? 03:03 jordan4ibanez 22:03 03:03 jordan4ibanez 22:04 03:04 jordan4ibanez Wow time is going very fast 03:04 NekoGloop del jordan4ibanez/time 03:04 jordan4ibanez ls jordan4ibanez/time 03:04 jordan4ibanez rmdir -rf / 03:05 NekoGloop Shithead person in ##minecraft goes on for half an hour about how he hates the amount of redundancy in the technic pack, then ' have I mentioned that I'm back to vanilla? ' 03:05 NekoGloop format jordan4ibanez 03:08 jordan4ibanez Neko 03:08 jordan4ibanez Come 03:08 jordan4ibanez ONto 03:08 jordan4ibanez MY 03:08 jordan4ibanez SERVER 03:09 NekoGloop Would if i could but i cant so i wont. 03:14 Muadtralk jordan4ibanez sign onto remobo! 03:15 VanessaE ew. 03:16 NekoGloop ew. 03:16 NekoGloop .we 03:16 Muadtralk :P 03:16 Muadtralk id rather have him do that then have me install hamachi 03:18 VanessaE don't use either one :-) 03:18 VanessaE you don't need remobo/hamachi to run a server. you just need a good firewall. 03:21 OldCoder rmdir -rf / 03:21 OldCoder The old stand by 03:21 OldCoder One size fits all 03:21 VanessaE now now. 03:23 * OldCoder chuckles 03:25 VanessaE all right G*d damn it. 03:25 VanessaE OldCoder: what did you say you did to clear up the congestion? 03:26 VanessaE iow how do I disable the congestion control and let my normal network subsystem handle it like it's supposed to? 03:30 OldCoder VanessaE, I am only experimenting at this point. celeron55 directed me to a routine and asked me to play with it. 03:30 OldCoder I am doing so 03:30 OldCoder I will post the code later; can't tonight 03:30 OldCoder Still need to keep other promises here 03:31 OldCoder Oh! 03:31 OldCoder VanessaE, that is an interesting thought... disable it entirely? That might be very easy 03:31 OldCoder VanessaE, should I try that? 03:32 VanessaE I'd like to try it here actually,. 03:32 VanessaE oh, you gotta tweak the code? 03:32 VanessaE ok, you test it :D 03:33 OldCoder I will do so 03:33 OldCoder Next step is to build a matching client 03:33 OldCoder Will get to that this week. I promised NekoGloop I would and that was weeks ago. 03:33 VanessaE ok 03:34 OldCoder NekoGloop BTW I *do* have the TANK patch in my code now 03:34 NekoGloop I honestly dont even remember what i asked for. 03:34 NekoGloop And i hope so, it's part of upstream now. 03:45 sokomine how does adding playerskins work with the new 3d-player? 03:46 VanessaE character.png - minecraft format. 03:46 VanessaE hats/headwear if present won't be used 03:46 NekoGloop Aw. Means my hoodie is borked. 03:47 NekoGloop And awesome headphones too. 03:47 VanessaE player_textures mod can be used to give players their own model skins too. sdzen and I are on my (laggy) server each with a different model than the default. 03:58 jordan4ibanez how do i make it so this server doesn't write a debug.txt? 03:58 NekoGloop jordan4ibanez: Dont think you can. 03:58 jordan4ibanez I can, it's a hack though 03:58 VanessaE symlink it to /dev/null :-) 03:59 jordan4ibanez it's like ./minetest/bin/minetestserver --debug="" or whatever 04:14 jordan4ibanez What are server unit tests? 04:15 jordan4ibanez celeron55, what are unit tests? 04:31 bulletrulz hi 04:31 VanessaE hi 04:34 khonkhortisan (if I don't join or leave, you don't know I'm here) 04:34 VanessaE lol 04:37 mrtux good night 04:54 jordan4ibanez Real bad removed technic? 04:54 jordan4ibanez are you fucking kidding me 04:55 khonkhortisan must've been a good reason? maybe? 04:55 VanessaE wha? 04:56 VanessaE the github repo is still there though 04:56 VanessaE https://github.com/RealBadAngel/technic 04:57 jordan4ibanez Forking before we have another cornernote incident 04:57 VanessaE I've forked it just to be safe. 04:57 VanessaE https://github.com/VanessaE/technic 04:58 khonkhortisan why? What did cornernote do? 04:58 VanessaE he burned out 04:58 VanessaE took his toys and went home 04:59 VanessaE :( 04:59 khonkhortisan oh, "get your own football". 04:59 VanessaE basically. 04:59 VanessaE as for RBA, I have no idea wtf is going on 05:03 jordan4ibanez boats are very very possible now :) 05:03 VanessaE yup 05:03 jordan4ibanez I'll be creating a boat mod tomorrow ^^ 05:05 khonkhortisan (raft mod) 05:06 jordan4ibanez No, boats, like real entity boats 05:06 jordan4ibanez cornernote also cloned my turret mod, idk why, now i can create turrets you can sit on and fire 05:06 khonkhortisan collisions?! 05:06 khonkhortisan or rather, joints? 05:06 khonkhortisan hm. 05:07 jordan4ibanez Sure, just make the entity physical 05:08 VanessaE http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/screenshots/screenshot_991656039.png 05:08 VanessaE oops 05:08 VanessaE sokomine: ^^^^^^ 05:08 jordan4ibanez That's madness lol 05:08 VanessaE which? HDX textures with minecraft lowrez models? :-) 05:09 jordan4ibanez Them combined 05:09 VanessaE heh 05:09 sokomine looks agreeable i think :-) 05:10 VanessaE I need to get off my lazy ass and update HDX for homedecor and farming...and a bunch of others too. 05:10 sokomine boats sound good 05:14 Aqua hi 05:18 VanessaE hi 05:18 khonkhortisan I'd prefer hypercube player models in a cubical world 05:18 khonkhortisan but that's just me 05:19 sokomine hypercube? 05:21 Aqua finished downloading linux ;) 05:22 VanessaE cool, aqua 05:23 Aqua now what? 05:25 VanessaE burn it to a CD and boot with it. 05:25 VanessaE If it gives you a boot menu, select the "Try without installing" link 05:25 VanessaE bear in mind: 05:26 VanessaE booting and running from a CD is inherently slow. 05:26 VanessaE this cannot be improved much. 05:26 Aqua can i use a usb? 05:27 Aqua and will it still have microsoft word and powerpoint etc..... 05:27 sokomine yes, but it has to be properly installed so that the stick will boot 05:28 sokomine no, linux doesn't come with word and powerpoint. there is openoffice for most of these things 05:29 Aqua so ill lose all my stuff i have on it for e.g games, gimp, notepad, chrome ............. 05:30 Aqua and will i lose all my documents? 05:31 VanessaE no 05:31 VanessaE if you boot from CD and just run from there, it will run slow but your system won't be changed. 05:31 VanessaE if you install "alongside" windows, your documents will still be there. 05:31 VanessaE but, 05:31 VanessaE you should make a backup anyway 05:31 VanessaE better safe than sorry 05:31 Aqua how? 05:32 VanessaE save your documents to a thumb drive or something 05:32 sokomine don't format or partition your hard drive if you want to be sure 05:32 VanessaE don't take this the wrong way, but if you don't know how to make a backup, linux is not for you. 05:32 sokomine make a backup (can never hurt) 05:33 Aqua so i will lose microsoft word etc.? 05:34 VanessaE aqua you are not listening. 05:34 VanessaE if you boot from CD and just run from there, it will run slow but your system won't be changed. 05:34 VanessaE if you install "alongside" windows, your documents will still be there. 05:34 VanessaE but, you should make a backup anyway. 05:34 sokomine you won't loose it. you just can't use it at the same time you're using linux because those programs are written for windows and not for linux. there are emulators that work to a degree, but if you want to run windows stuff, stick to windows 05:34 VanessaE linux can read most microsoft document formats, you will not lose then. 05:34 kaeza hey guys. 05:34 kaeza and ladies of course 05:35 VanessaE hi kaeza 05:35 Aqua hi 05:35 VanessaE kaeza: got 0.4.4 handy? 05:35 kaeza how's it going? 05:35 kaeza what? 05:35 VanessaE what what? 05:35 kaeza a new mt version? 05:35 VanessaE it's going very well :-) 05:35 sokomine hi 05:35 VanessaE yes, 0.4.4 was released (in github) today 05:35 VanessaE WITH 3D MODELS!! 05:36 kaeza yay i'm gonna pee myself :D 05:36 Aqua but can windows open openoffice? 05:36 Aqua really 0.4.4 came out? 05:36 VanessaE openoffice can save into microsoft formats. 05:36 VanessaE and windows can run openoffice if you want. 05:36 VanessaE and openoffice can read microsoft word 05:36 VanessaE so you won't lose anything. 05:36 VanessaE but I told you. 05:37 VanessaE if you don't know how to make a backup, you should not be running Linux yet. 05:37 kaeza V: I'll doenload it right now 05:37 VanessaE you have some learning to do first. 05:37 kaeza download* 05:37 VanessaE Aqua: yes, 0.4.4 is out, source code only for now, so you have to build it. It is NOT COMPATIBLE with 0.4.3 servers/ 05:38 kaeza as long as it's more stable than 0.4.3 05:38 VanessaE not sure one way or the other. 05:38 kaeza I don't care rebuilding 05:38 Aqua where can u find it? 05:38 VanessaE now, 05:39 Aqua nvrmind 05:39 VanessaE when you're done installing 0.4.4, go find a good minecraft skin file and tell me the URL. 05:39 VanessaE because you're gonna sign onto my little test server at 24.181.193.82 port 30001 05:39 VanessaE (I'll need your exact username, case sensitive, so I can install the skin you picked) 05:40 Aqua where to find 0.4.4? 05:40 VanessaE Aqua: source code only, on the usual github repositories. 05:40 VanessaE it is not available for windows yet. 05:40 Aqua :( 05:40 kaeza now DL'ing 05:42 khonkhortisan sokomine, a four-dimensional cube as the player entity 05:42 kaeza now building, hope it goes OK 05:42 VanessaE it will. :-) 05:43 VanessaE kaeza: let me know when you have a skin URL (you don't need to download it) 05:43 kaeza ok 05:44 kaeza just one question. Do i have to move/delete my worlds folder? 05:44 VanessaE no 05:44 VanessaE well, I mean if you wanna copy the data over to your 0.4.4 build go ahead 05:44 kaeza 40% built YAY! 05:44 VanessaE but if you do the run-in-place = 0 like I usually do, you can just run from the 0.4.3 stuff and that'll work 05:44 VanessaE just don't try to connect to an 0.4.3 server like redcrab's yet. that won't work :-) 05:44 kaeza ok 05:46 kaeza I think I'll keep 0.4.3 around a bit until everybody makes the migration 05:46 kaeza I'll play 0.4.4 locally 05:47 kaeza YAY 75%!! 05:48 khonkhortisan I haven't played for a while so I missed the upgrade. Better luck next upgrade.e 05:49 hmmmm it's not compatible because of that one field to the player position packet 05:49 VanessaE yup 05:49 hmmmm there's no reason why it should be incompatible 05:49 hmmmm hmmmmm 05:50 hmmmm if i were you guys, i'd pull it before anybody else downloads it, and have the client and server simply ignore new fields 05:50 kaeza how do I test it from within the builddir? 05:50 VanessaE celeron55 said it wouldn't be worth making it compatible. 05:50 hmmmm it's so simple 05:50 hmmmm it's even added onto the end of the packet 05:50 * hmmmm sigh 05:51 kaeza tried ./minetest and ./src/minetest and dont work 05:51 kaeza doesn't* 05:51 hmmmm 'doesn't work 05:51 VanessaE bin/minetest 05:51 sokomine that would be a good idea, hmm. when i started playing minetest it was quite difficult to find a server where my recently downloaded client would work 05:51 hmmmm all it needs to do is verify that the incoming packet is _at least as large_ as it's going to parse 05:51 hmmmm doesn't need to be exactly equal to the size it expects 05:51 VanessaE sokomine: which is *exactly* why I rode celeron55's ass about the version number. 05:52 sokomine apart from that it is definitely worth a new version number :-) 05:53 sokomine if it could be made more compatible that would be great 05:53 hmmmm if compatibility is going to be broken like this, you really ought to force^H^H^H^H^H strongly suggest that everybody updates 05:53 khonkhortisan ^H? 05:54 hmmmm that's me hitting the backspace key that's broken because my TERM wasn't set to vt220 05:54 hmmmm it's an old version of the 'strikethrough' bbcode you see on some forums 05:54 khonkhortisan setxkbmap shift:both_capslock will break your shift release signal- 05:55 khonkhortisan but I already said that 05:55 VanessaE it's also used to mean "er..no delete that because I shouldn't say that" 05:56 kaeza everything running ok 05:56 hmmmm i mean it's trivial to just package in wget or use libcurl or something, no? 05:56 khonkhortisan there should be a programming language that uses the ÷ ≤ ≥ symbols 05:56 hmmmm there is 05:56 hmmmm it's called PL/1 05:56 hmmmm nobody used it because you needed a special keyboard to type in the special symbols it needed 05:57 khonkhortisan compose key is all you need 05:57 kaeza hmmmm: exactly. Programming languages are meant for US-ASCII codepages/encodings 05:57 VanessaE heh 05:57 khonkhortisan if it came with its own editor, it might be more popular 05:58 VanessaE ¢ømpø$ə :-) 05:58 kaeza it's almost the same reason you cant say "función ésta_es_mi_función ( parámetro )" 05:58 khonkhortisan hmm, I don't know that c. ¢ ¢c →ə← I can't find the vertical bar c! 05:59 khonkhortisan oh. 05:59 khonkhortisan silly font. it's a slash. 05:59 kaeza try Alt-Gr + the key below ESC 05:59 VanessaE or a pipe. 05:59 VanessaE c pipe 05:59 khonkhortisan función ésta_es_mi_función (parámetro ) 05:59 kaeza oh forget it it's for es_ES keyboards I think 06:00 khonkhortisan compose is shift-right alt for me 06:00 khonkhortisan compose+'+o = ó 06:00 khonkhortisan Resumé 06:00 kaeza I think it was also Alt+98 06:00 khonkhortisan Ernõ Rubik's Cube 06:00 kaeza does not work on linux tho' 06:00 khonkhortisan alt+numbers don't work for me 06:00 khonkhortisan can't figure out how to turn it on, either. 06:01 kaeza me neither 06:01 kaeza works on windowze 06:01 kaeza but not on linux 06:02 khonkhortisan bet you can't type upside down! uɐsıʇɹoɥʞuoɥʞ 06:02 VanessaE heh 06:02 khonkhortisan (I can't either) 06:02 hmmmm kaeza: this was before ASCII 06:02 hmmmm since IBM made it, it was probably designed for EBCDIC 06:03 khonkhortisan what really bugs me is if I'm browsing the internet in UTF-8 and a website comes along in Windows-1252 with no encoding information. 06:03 VanessaE this sentence is umop əp!sdn 06:03 celeron55 07:50:43 < hmmmm> there's no reason why it should be incompatible 06:03 celeron55 there are many reasons 06:03 VanessaE (and I had to type that manually because I don't know how to flip it :-) ) 06:03 khonkhortisan haha looks upside down to me 06:03 hmmmm ?? 06:03 khonkhortisan I used a text flipping website 06:03 hmmmm from what i understand only one field was appended to the end of a packet 06:03 celeron55 i won't even bother explaining 06:03 kaeza VanessaE: http://www.minecraftxl.com/skin-31.html 06:03 celeron55 hmmmm: lol? 06:03 khonkhortisan just replaces characters, not adding anything special to them 06:04 hmmmm I guess i didn't get the full story? 06:04 kaeza hi celeron 06:04 celeron55 hmmmm: then you've understood very wrong 06:04 khonkhortisan mario has transparent textures 06:04 celeron55 i wonder who you have been listening 06:04 VanessaE kaeza: ok. What's your sign-on name going to be? 06:04 jordan4ibanez Hi celeron55 06:04 khonkhortisan a double head texture 06:04 VanessaE just "kaeza" in all lowercase? 06:04 hmmmm er 06:04 hmmmm i'll read the backlogs 06:05 kaeza yep 06:05 celeron55 it WOULD be possible, IF there was a proper way of negotiating the network protocol from multiple versions between a client and a server, or something like that, but there isn't 06:05 VanessaE kaeza: ok. 06:05 celeron55 also, i just noticed there are some modified serialization thingies that didn't get their version properly raised 06:05 VanessaE installed. 06:05 khonkhortisan there could be a separate program called minetalk that is a middleman between different minetest versions 06:05 khonkhortisan but that would be some work 06:05 hmmmm what a hacky solution 06:06 khonkhortisan yep 06:06 VanessaE kaeza: now sign on to 24.181.193.82 port 30001 with that userid. 06:06 khonkhortisan better to actually fix it in the same program 06:06 kaeza ok gonna try 06:06 hmmmm it reminds me of what people did to fix old chat clients for a proprietary, binary game protocol 06:06 jordan4ibanez Tomorrow: jetpacks, and boats 06:07 kaeza connecting 06:07 kaeza almost there 06:08 VanessaE how's the bandnarrowth? 06:08 sokomine the reason why it would be good to allow diffrent clients to connect to the same server is because new players usually don't have much of a clue and might think there are no servers out there just because they don't find matching servers 06:08 VanessaE (as opposed to bandwidth ;-) ) 06:08 khonkhortisan that's also caused my having no server list in the client 06:09 kaeza :) it may be on my side. this crapy huawei wireless modem of mine is crappy as hell 06:09 sokomine at least i had that problem. finally redcrabs server worked. all the other in the list had a diffrent version... 06:09 VanessaE kaeza: no, it's celeron55's fault. :-) 06:09 kaeza 61% media 06:09 kaeza lol 06:09 kaeza still 61% 06:09 kaeza WOW 64% 06:10 kaeza going in 06:10 kaeza erm... 06:10 kaeza ok 06:10 celeron55 oh hell wtf 06:10 sokomine you'll eventually arrive. it was worse before :-) now some mods with lots of diffrent colored wood and brick are removed 06:11 celeron55 i'm going to make this completely incompatible what this is now later today 06:11 celeron55 there are some deep crap in here 06:11 Aqua hi again 06:12 VanessaE what? 06:12 VanessaE then bump the version number again. 06:12 VanessaE enough of this "but I *have* latest git!" crap. 06:14 celeron55 maybe i should not have moved the stuff upstream after all yet 06:14 VanessaE naw 06:14 VanessaE it works pretty well in practice. 06:14 celeron55 i'm not going to listen that whining 06:14 kaeza hi 06:14 VanessaE *facepalm* 06:15 kaeza pretty house V 06:15 VanessaE it ain't mine, it's sdzen's :-) 06:15 celeron55 if taoki doesn't properly do serialization stuffs and i don't immediately notice it, i won't screw up versioning or my day because of it 06:15 kaeza oh cheers to him then :) 06:15 VanessaE I built a few structures to replace what got lost in the reset earlier today, but I didn't actually build anything worthwhile :-) 06:16 celeron55 and next time i'll not update the version before it gets stable 06:16 celeron55 life is full of learning 8) 06:16 VanessaE celeron55: it hasn't been "stable" since sometime early into 0.4 to begin with :) 06:17 kaeza I don't seem to be loading anything besides the first chunk. I SWEAR YOU MODEM! I'LL BURN YOU ONE OF THESE DAYS!!! 06:17 VanessaE haha 06:18 VanessaE kaeza: still not getting any map data>? 06:19 kaeza nope. I can see some gray blocks and smiling slimes 06:19 kaeza but only the first chunk 06:19 VanessaE strange. 06:20 kaeza ok the gray blocks are carts, and I loaded the station 06:20 VanessaE right, those carts need new textures. 06:20 VanessaE that's up to PilzAdam 06:20 sokomine that's a start 06:20 kaeza I tell you, it's on my side. It literally took me 4 mins to DL a 24KB jpeg 06:21 VanessaE dayum 06:21 kaeza oh 06:21 VanessaE celeron55: the broken network congestion code, can it be disabled via the config? 06:22 kaeza you are standing on thin air V :) 06:22 VanessaE I am? 06:22 VanessaE jeez :-() 06:22 celeron55 it can't be controlled in any way in any config 06:22 VanessaE :-) 06:23 kaeza where i am is the end of the world 06:23 celeron55 it could be made so though 06:23 kaeza cannot go further 06:23 VanessaE celeron55: please do. 15 kB/sec over a non-congested link that can sustain 330 kB/sec is just wrong. 06:23 VanessaE kaeza: maybe if you log out and back in again? 06:23 kaeza k 06:24 kaeza connecting 06:24 VanessaE celeron55: also, you may be interested to know that I reduced the number of nodes on the test server by 25%. 06:25 kaeza going in again 06:26 VanessaE any better? 06:26 kaeza nope, same thing 06:26 kaeza wait 06:26 kaeza I'll exit completely and reconnect 06:27 VanessaE reconnect through the wireless you mean? 06:27 kaeza core dump on exit 06:27 VanessaE heh 06:27 kaeza but I was running 2 instances, so don't really know which one 06:27 VanessaE I get that too sometimes 06:28 VanessaE complete with a backtrace that means nothing to me 06:28 VanessaE :) 06:28 kaeza lol 06:29 kaeza "b706c000-b7077000 r-xp 00000000 08:05 791163 ..." that is like it's saying "F*CK YOU!!!" to me :) 06:29 VanessaE rofl 06:30 kaeza ok now connecting 06:31 kaeza oh and BTW http://xkcd.com/371/ 06:31 kaeza as you said, they have a comic for every situation :) 06:31 VanessaE bahahahaha 06:32 VanessaE even my husband laughed at that one :-) 06:35 kaeza lol 06:36 kaeza k now i can see past the farm, but don't get the station 06:36 VanessaE give it time 06:36 VanessaE at least it's *trying* to load. 06:41 kaeza VanessaE: look from my perspective https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/screenshot_997135989.png 06:41 VanessaE weird. 06:42 kaeza It may be a problem on your side this time. Cause I can download the entire internet in a few minutes 06:42 VanessaE sigh 06:42 VanessaE celeron55: you seeing this? 06:44 kaeza I'll try moving side to side and tll me if I lag 06:44 kaeza tell* 06:44 VanessaE wait. 06:44 khonkhortisan this one caught me off-guard 06:44 VanessaE I see you walking around. 06:44 khonkhortisan http://xkcd.com/391/ 06:46 VanessaE khonkhortisan: I actually don't get that one. 06:47 kaeza here https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/screenshot_997120186.png 06:47 khonkhortisan this explains it http://www.losethegame.com/ 06:48 VanessaE lol 06:49 kaeza khonkhortisan: lol 06:50 kaeza finally! It removed the grass from my inventory :) 06:51 kaeza also "Beware! High-kump-trampline[sic]!" 06:51 kaeza lol 06:51 kaeza jump* 06:52 VanessaE oh sure NOW I'm starting to lag. 06:52 VanessaE and I'm on the same machine as the server 06:53 kaeza how's that? 06:53 VanessaE I just tried to edit the typo'd sign 06:53 VanessaE no reaction from the server when I hit enter. 06:53 kaeza to me you're still with sokomime 06:54 VanessaE signed off/on and the text is changed. 06:54 VanessaE (didn't restart the server) 06:55 kaeza ok i'll try that too 06:55 kaeza that's strange... 06:55 VanessaE dunno why either. 06:57 kaeza the thing is it seems to work ok for both of you. and for me everything except chunk loading 06:57 kaeza maybe it didn't build ok somehow? 06:58 VanessaE I have no clue :-/ 06:58 VanessaE I mean, if I'm running the client on the same machine as the server, there's no way in hell I should lah 06:58 VanessaE lag* 06:58 VanessaE yet I appear to have been doing do, either that or that signs mod is b0rk3d. 06:59 kaeza that's truly weird, but it happened for me on 0.4.3 aldo 06:59 kaeza also* 06:59 VanessaE ok then that means I didn't do anything wrong 06:59 kaeza I removed most of the mods from my game and it's working better 06:59 kaeza especially MOBF 06:59 VanessaE that won't affect anything when you're on a server. 07:00 VanessaE only singleplayer. 07:00 kaeza no I mean, when the problem I described yesterday (the game crashing, and lots of purple objects) I removed most mods and it's working better 07:01 VanessaE oh ok 07:01 kaeza maybe you should check the mods you installed on the server? 07:01 VanessaE yeah. MOBF is a nasty one for that. 07:01 VanessaE but I've gone through all the mods on my server and weeded out everything that was either a CPU hog or added tons of useless nodes. 07:02 kaeza ok, so from what I see, it's flowers, cart, and junglegrass only? 07:02 VanessaE lots more than that :-) 07:02 VanessaE /mods 07:02 kaeza oh and the trampoline thing and signs 07:02 kaeza WOW! 07:03 VanessaE :_) 07:03 VanessaE :) 07:04 kaeza maybe node_ownership? 07:04 kaeza maybe it's causing problems 07:04 kaeza nevermind 07:05 kaeza I was thinking about protector 07:05 VanessaE doubt it, there's only one owned area, the spawn (by me) 07:06 kaeza oh it works ok now 07:06 kaeza it's magic! 07:06 khonkhortisan Line n: cam.x = 0; Line n+1: printf("%i", cam.x); output: 2068705280 :( 07:07 kaeza :O 07:08 kaeza where is that? 07:08 khonkhortisan separate opengl thing I'm writing 07:09 khonkhortisan ah. %f, not %d or %i. 07:09 kaeza oh nevermind then 07:10 khonkhortisan that took me a day of mostly doing something else to figure that out 07:10 kaeza what compiler are you using? GCC warns in such situation 07:11 khonkhortisan no it doesn't 07:12 khonkhortisan gcc main.cpp -lglut -lGLEW -lGLU -lm && ./a.out 07:12 khonkhortisan unless I need a -Wsomething 07:12 kaeza then do "gcc main.cpp -Wall -lglut -lGLEW -lGLU -lm && ./a.out 07:12 kaeza then do "gcc -Wall main.cpp -lglut -lGLEW -lGLU -lm && ./a.out 07:12 kaeza sorry 07:12 khonkhortisan either way 07:13 kaeza yes 07:13 kaeza nevermind 07:13 khonkhortisan yeah, that gives me stuff I was missing 07:13 khonkhortisan main.cpp:138:23: warning: format ‘%i’ expects argument of type ‘int’, but argument 2 has type ‘double’ [-Wformat] 07:13 khonkhortisan that would've saved me some time 07:13 kaeza better yet add -Werror after -Wall 07:13 kaeza to turn warns to errors 07:14 kaeza almost always a warning means something wrong with the code 07:14 khonkhortisan better to be strict when I have no idea what I'm doing 07:15 kaeza right 07:16 kaeza and better start using `-o' 07:16 kaeza :) 07:17 khonkhortisan oh yeah. I don't have a purpose, goal, name, or multiple files yet though 07:17 kaeza it's good practice to do so anyway, except if it's just a test thing 07:21 khonkhortisan if I put main.cpp twice it gives me errors about previous definitions between temp files 07:22 khonkhortisan oh, did I steal the topic? Go back to talking about minetest and mods and stuff 07:22 kaeza no 07:22 kaeza I just like talking about these things 07:23 * celeron55 is fiddling around with protocol version stuff 07:23 kaeza what do you mean if you put main.cpp twice? 07:23 khonkhortisan exactly what I said: gcc -Wall -Werror main.cpp main.cpp -o Kyle -lglut -lGLEW -lGLU -lm && ./Kyle 07:24 khonkhortisan /tmp/cch1yj6M.o:(.data+0x0): multiple definition of `WinID' 07:24 khonkhortisan /tmp/ccGtoW0t.o:(.data+0x0): first defined here 07:24 * kaeza will certainly invite c55 a beer if he fixes this little thing :) 07:24 khonkhortisan done by accident, of course 07:25 kaeza but why would you do that? 07:25 kaeza nevermind 07:29 * khonkhortisan is going back in time to geometry class to move the camera along its local rotated axes 07:29 kaeza Don't look at me! I sorely suck at geometry. 07:29 kaeza :( 07:33 VanessaE kaeza: sign out/in plz. 07:33 VanessaE kaeza: I'm testing something... :-) 07:34 kaeza k 07:34 VanessaE meet me at spawn. 07:34 kaeza going in 07:36 VanessaE look at testuser. what do you see? 07:37 kaeza hey! nice texes! 07:38 VanessaE you see a high-rez guy in a light blue shirt, dark blue pants, rather than the green polka dot shirt? 07:38 kaeza hmm 64px 07:38 kaeza yes 07:38 VanessaE yeah, that's misa's player skin. 07:38 kaeza oh nice :) 07:38 VanessaE didn't work the way I wanted. I didn't want it to override the player skin like that. 07:39 VanessaE (I wanted it to only be visible on my end, probably need to put it in a different folder so the server can't see it) 07:39 KikaRz-sleeping computer rebooting 07:39 kaeza wut? 07:39 VanessaE *shrug* 07:40 kaeza It shouldn't be seen on my end? 07:40 VanessaE no. 07:40 VanessaE I wanted it only to be visible from my end, since it's an HD skin. 07:40 kaeza blue pants (I think) andlight gray T-shirt 07:41 VanessaE I don't want the server sending anything but the defaults right now. 07:41 VanessaE (and the per-player skins of course) 07:42 kaeza I like the hands. 07:42 kaeza hmm.. 07:43 kaeza I don't get it. why not send other players' textures? 07:43 VanessaE nonononono 07:43 * kaeza is startled 07:44 VanessaE I don't want the server sending out any player skins except the per-player ones we have been using today. that misa skin was being used as the *default* player skin, which is not what I wanted. 07:45 VanessaE I wanted it to be the default only for my end, not for everyone. 07:45 khonkhortisan Can you delegate power to certain people to only be skinners but not mods/admins? 07:45 VanessaE since I use a HD texture pack. 07:45 kaeza but then I won't be able to see other players' skins 07:45 VanessaE khonkhortisan: installing skins requires CLI access on the server. 07:45 VanessaE kaeza: nononononononononno 07:45 khonkhortisan Another thing the client can't do 07:45 kaeza you use an hd pack? it seems 16px from my end 07:46 VanessaE kaeza: yeah, on my *client*, 07:46 VanessaE on the *server* I use the default textures. 07:46 khonkhortisan You'll see regular people with the normal skin, and special people with their own skins 07:46 VanessaE I wanted that mida player skin to be the same way. 07:46 khonkhortisan oh. 07:46 VanessaE misa* 07:46 kaeza that means that works ok at least 07:46 kaeza is the 07:47 kaeza are the player textures handled differently by the engine? 07:47 VanessaE not effectively. 07:47 * kaeza also wants to kill his keyboard 07:47 VanessaE they seem to be handled pretty much the same as any other texture file. 07:48 kaeza so that's weird 07:48 kaeza may I take a peek at the code? 07:49 VanessaE code? 07:49 kaeza minetest I mean 07:49 VanessaE er...get it from github? :-) 07:49 kaeza I get it, but where is the code that sends media to clients? 07:50 kaeza got* 07:50 VanessaE oh that 07:50 VanessaE no clue 07:50 kaeza hmm.. 07:50 * kaeza is currently entering the amazonas rainforest 07:52 kaeza celeron55 are you here? 07:52 ecube is there a setting in the source files that sets the font and/or the font color? 07:53 celeron55 pushed some interesting stuff: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/commits/master 07:54 celeron55 that will now work with 0.4.3 too 07:54 VanessaE nice 07:54 ecube nvm 07:54 VanessaE celeron55: guess it was worth the effort after all ;-) 07:54 kaeza celeron55 where is the code that sends media to the client? 07:54 celeron55 Taoki|away: your odd non-initializing animation problems were due to this: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/commit/ab507f83e2e0b1f442341724bc47a8480667628e 07:55 celeron55 VanessaE: $20 -> http://www.minetest.net/donations.php 07:55 ecube nice work 07:55 VanessaE heh, if I had it, you'd get it :-) 07:55 celeron55 it wasn't worth it, but it's kind of interesting to fix problems made by other people 07:55 celeron55 as long as people don't whine 07:56 kaeza nice 07:56 kaeza does it mean I can connect from 0.4.3 to 0.4.4? 07:56 celeron55 0.4.3 can't connect to a 0.4.4 server 07:56 kaeza oh 07:56 kaeza silly me 07:56 celeron55 but that wasn't the real issue anyway 07:57 kaeza extensibility right? 07:57 kaeza or something like that 07:58 kaeza BTW in which file is the code that sends media to the client? 07:58 celeron55 or, even if it was the real issue, it wouldn't be nearly as easy-ish to do 07:58 kaeza It's a real jungle in there 07:59 kaeza just tell me a single thing that is easy to do in networking :) 07:59 celeron55 (because there is the basically unsolvable issue of making old clients see something reasonable for things that are defined to have 3d visuals) 08:00 kaeza i see. 08:00 kaeza I may be a bit naive suggesting this, but maybe just send the facedir 08:00 kaeza ? 08:01 celeron55 kaeza: grep for "Media" in server.cpp 08:01 kaeza I haven't looked at the protocol the game uses though 08:01 kaeza ok 08:01 kaeza I'll do 08:01 KikaRz-nothere installing vs2010 ultimate 08:03 kaeza 2010? so oldschool 08:03 VanessaE haha 08:05 celeron55 i think we'll have to move to some kind of a generic binary serialization format that uses numeric keysi 08:05 celeron55 -i 08:05 celeron55 it's 100% required for the meta_set_nodedef branch at least 08:05 celeron55 and will get rid of some of this compatibility crap 08:06 celeron55 (mostly in the sense of making code written by newbies to work in more cases) 08:07 VanessaE celeron55: confirmed, 0.4.4 with that latest commit works on an 0.4.3 server (redcrab.suret.net:30401) 08:07 VanessaE just fyi. :-) 08:08 kaeza that's awesomeness! 08:10 kaeza1 sorry, connection died 08:10 kaeza1 i'm back 08:11 kaeza1 oh sorry V, was using 30001 08:11 kaeza1 now i'm going in 08:12 VanessaE no prob. 08:12 VanessaE sorry for the confusion. 08:12 VanessaE with celeron55's latest commit I was able to merge it back into my regular install, so the port number got reset as a side effect :-) 08:14 kaeza1 hello 08:14 VanessaE hey 08:14 kaeza1 oh crap this modem 08:14 kaeza1 nevermind 08:14 VanessaE heh 08:15 kaeza ClientEnvironment::processActiveObjectMessage(): id=42 type=e SerializationError in processMessage(), message="\u0000\u0002\u0000\n\u0001\u0000\u0000\u0013\u0088\u00ff\u00ff\u00fe\u009f\u00ff\u00ff\u00ff\u0006\u00ff\u00ff\u00fe\u009f\u0000\u0000\u0001a\u0000\u0000\u0000\u00fa\u0000\u0000\u0001a\u0000\u0004cube\u0000\u0000\u0000\u0000\u0001\u00f4\u0000\u0000\u0001\u00f4\u0000\u0006\u0000\rslime_top.png\u0000\u0010slime_bottom.png\u0000\u000fslime_front.png\u0 08:15 VanessaE ? 08:16 kaeza that's what I get when I connect 08:16 VanessaE they've been working fine for me? 08:16 kaeza oh forget it, my bad 08:16 VanessaE you suck :D 08:16 kaeza I'll do a rebuild 08:16 celeron55 oh that kind of stuff 08:16 kaeza yes I do :( 08:16 celeron55 there might be problems with entities still 08:18 kaeza yes, I also get lots of blue (?) "unknown objects" 08:18 kaeza but the objects hop around like the smiles 08:18 VanessaE celeron55: well, pilzadam's carts, jeija's slimes, and sfan5's particles seem okay from my end. 08:19 kaeza slimes* 08:19 celeron55 actually, no; that should work 08:19 kaeza I'll try a rebuild right now 08:20 VanessaE hm, on second thought slimes seem weird, having trouble killing one that's stuck 08:20 kaeza brb. doing a reboot 08:21 VanessaE fuck it, I'll bury it. :-) 08:22 celeron55 i don't see why it wouldn't work, but it might not for some reason 08:22 celeron55 i'm too lazy to test 08:22 VanessaE might be a glitch on my end from frequent server restarts. 08:23 celeron55 what kind of a server is that on which kaeza is playing? 08:23 celeron55 because that looks like data coming from 0.4.4 08:24 celeron55 which... wouldn't make too much sense 08:24 VanessaE mine. 08:24 celeron55 is it updated to github master? 08:24 VanessaE which is running 0.4.4 from that last commit you just made to fix 0.4.3 backward compat. 08:25 VanessaE yup, last commit I show is 4fa43... which is what I compiled. 08:25 celeron55 that seems right then 08:25 kaeza I'm back 08:26 kaeza what did I miss? 08:26 VanessaE nothing of great importance :-) 08:26 celeron55 hmm, ah, it makes sense; if you connect to that server now with a pre-fix 0.4.4, it will make that error 08:26 kaeza ok then 08:26 celeron55 because it uses the version that 0.4.3 uses for the 0.4.4 data and doesn't even try to parse it as 0.4.3 data either 08:27 celeron55 (it would fail even harder) 08:27 celeron55 kaeza: update to github master and those errors will go away 08:28 kaeza ok gonna try that 08:29 VanessaE br 08:29 VanessaE brb 08:29 kaeza Typo on three letter word is a bad sign :) 08:30 kaeza now DL'ing source 08:34 kaeza just FYI it says warning about index out of bounds in `l_register_item_raw'. 08:38 VanessaE back. 08:39 kaeza wb 08:40 VanessaE thanks. 08:41 kaeza1 back 08:41 VanessaE wb 08:41 kaeza1 V is your server up? 08:42 VanessaE yes. 08:42 kaeza1 finished compiling latest 08:42 VanessaE cool 08:42 kaeza1 going to connect 08:42 kaeza1 c u thar 08:42 VanessaE ok 08:45 kaeza1 https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/507c7edddc4d1.png 08:45 kaeza1 :) 08:51 VanessaE now I'm working in my house from another map. I'll get it figured out :-) 08:51 VanessaE LOL 08:52 VanessaE server will lag for a bit until I figure out the right place to be to //load this house. 08:54 kaeza1 k 08:55 * VanessaE watches worldedit take the server to its knees :-) 08:55 VanessaE the //dig command is...slow. 08:55 VanessaE :-) 08:55 * kaeza had lol'd 08:56 kaeza has* 08:56 VanessaE you were saying about typos and three-letter words? ;) 08:57 kaeza lol 08:57 kaeza you got me 08:57 kaeza :) 08:59 Aqua hi 08:59 VanessaE hah, //dig triggers the particles mod, no wonder it's slow :-) 08:59 kaeza hi 08:59 VanessaE *killed* 08:59 VanessaE whaddya say I just //set air? 09:00 kaeza (at -32000,-32000,-32000) //pos1 (at 32000,32000,32000) //pos2 -> //set air :) 09:01 kaeza j/k 09:01 kaeza still blocked by end of world 09:01 Aqua say i wanted to change stone at certain depth to dirt is that possible? 09:01 VanessaE aqua: not with worldedit, at least not easily. 09:02 Aqua i dont mean with worldedit i mean with lua...... 09:02 kaeza better change mapgen 09:02 kaeza there are callbacks but can't remember 09:04 kaeza ok noble sirs and ladies, it's 7:00AM 09:04 Aqua kaeza what serevr do u normally play? 09:04 kaeza I should get some sleep 09:04 kaeza local only 09:04 kaeza most of the time 09:04 Aqua :/ 09:04 kaeza have player some time with Kacey 09:04 kaeza and now with Vanessa 09:04 Aqua its 8pm 09:05 VanessaE server down for a sec, kaeza 09:05 VanessaE and, up. 09:05 ruskie Aqua, welcome to the internetz where timezones are many ;) 09:05 Aqua can i play? 09:05 Aqua when i get 0.4.4 09:05 Aqua i know 09:05 kaeza V: going in 09:06 kaeza Aqua: you use Linux? 09:06 Aqua not yet 09:06 kaeza oh 09:06 kaeza then it may be a tad harder on you 09:06 kaeza to compile minetest 09:08 kaeza hey rsiska 09:08 Aqua hi 09:11 Aqua http://kaeza.users.sf.net 09:11 kaeza what about it? 09:11 Aqua you know java? 09:11 kaeza that pic looks UGLY! 09:12 kaeza a bit 09:12 kaeza a bit about java why? 09:15 Aqua can i downlaod legend of cosmo? 09:19 kaeza If you want 09:19 kaeza it's not even a game yet 09:20 Aqua why isnt it a game? 09:20 kaeza It has more bugs than my house (if that is possible) and the story isn't very developed yet 09:20 kaeza hey rob 09:20 Aqua is it written in java? 09:20 kaeza no 09:21 kaeza in plain C 09:21 kaeza (i.e: no C++ either) 09:21 Aqua r u still working on it? 09:22 kaeza a bit, whenever i have the time and this IRC channel leaves me alone :) 09:22 kaeza you like it? 09:22 Aqua i like the characters 09:23 kaeza maybe you can help me on this one 09:23 kaeza do you know C? 09:23 Aqua and i like the storyline :) 09:23 Aqua a bit 09:24 Aqua In Legend of Cosmo, you take the role of Strain, a young boy whose past is clouded in mystery, in a quest that may very well change the entire course of history. 09:24 kaeza yup that summarizes it 09:24 kaeza but between the time you know Strain, and the end of e game there is nothing 09:25 kaeza well, maybe a crappy story 09:25 Aqua how much of it is done? 09:26 kaeza oh, I forgot to mention, thanks :) 09:26 * kaeza is sorry because he is a bit drunk 09:26 Aqua is it finished 09:27 * Aqua says h 09:27 kaeza maybe let's say a 2% of what I had planned 09:27 Aqua when did u start? 09:27 Aqua i like it tho 09:27 kaeza the first log entries say around Augustu his year 09:27 OldCoder Good morning 09:28 VanessaE morning OC. 09:28 Aqua hi 09:28 kaeza morning coder 09:28 OldCoder Bright and early here 1:27am 09:28 kaeza it's 7:25 AM here 09:28 Aqua 8.36pm 09:29 kaeza (yup, this fine IRC channel kept me from sleeping :) ) 09:29 Aqua (yup, this fine IRC channel kept me from going to sleep :) ) 09:29 kaeza Aqua: thanks 09:29 kaeza :) 09:30 kaeza not a nativ speaker, sorry 09:30 kaeza native* 09:30 Aqua ..........wasnt suppose to correct u 09:30 kaeza nevermind them 09:30 kaeza then* HECK 09:31 kaeza V: is server still up? 09:31 * Aqua says YOLO 09:31 Aqua whats abm again? 09:31 Aqua a block manufacturer? 09:32 kaeza advanced bloated macroalgorithm? 09:32 kaeza #YOLO 09:32 Aqua automatic blueberry mixer? 09:33 Aqua Anti-Ballistic Missile 09:33 kaeza lol 09:34 Aqua Aggressive Behavior Management 09:34 Aqua Angry Bald Man? 09:34 Aqua Anything but Microsoft? 09:34 kaeza I legitimately lol'd at that one! 09:35 Aqua what is it? 09:35 Aqua brb 09:35 kaeza k 09:38 kaeza good night/morning guys, see you later 09:57 Calinou http://c55.me/blog/ < clementine player :D 09:59 Kray yup 09:59 Calinou because all other music players on linux are half-assed, /me uses clementine on xfce 09:59 Calinou qt apps in gtk DE FTW 10:36 OldCoder I have not quite woken up 10:36 OldCoder Resting again for a while 11:30 Calinou wha-- 11:30 Calinou if I want to install gedit, I have to install zeitgeist 11:30 Calinou SEEMS LEGIT 11:32 * Calinou installed geany instead 11:35 thexyz i was hoping for "***Calinou installed vim/emacs instead" 11:36 thexyz >Zeitgeist is a service which logs the users's activities and events, anywhere from files opened to websites visited and conversations. 11:37 thexyz awesome 11:37 ruskie lol 13:02 Ragnar_ hi! 13:02 Ragnar_ hey who can help me with a mod im making? 13:02 Ragnar_ VanessaE 13:07 VanessaE bbl. 13:08 VanessaE sorry, you just missed me. I'm headed off to bed. 13:08 VanessaE night 13:12 Ragnar_ ow ok 13:12 Ragnar_ gnight :D 13:25 Ragnar_ hey does somebody know someone whos email is nathan.boulch@laposte.net 13:35 Ragnar_ hi 13:35 Ragnar_ :) 13:36 Ragnar_ hey who uses ubuntu? 13:36 Ragnar_ or fedora? 13:38 Ragnar_ cause i'm using an ubuntu version that looks like fedora :S 13:38 Ragnar_ xD 13:39 Ragnar_ oh hey penguin! 13:40 KikaRz-away Hi there 13:42 Ragnar_ oh hey :D 13:42 Ragnar_ you didnt answer 2 days ago :D 13:42 Ragnar_ remember? 13:43 Ragnar_ hey where can i find the ubuntu version of minetest? 13:45 Ragnar_ im using ubuntu 9.something... 13:45 Ragnar_ so its pretty old and laggy... 13:49 Ragnar_ KikaRz 13:49 Ragnar_ :D 13:53 Taoki Anyone know how on earth you download a diff from a branch on its github page? It has options to show the changes, commits, etc. but no button to download a diff 13:55 ruskie probably via the raw url 13:56 ruskie but frankly... just git clone the lot... setup the branches you want to diff then git diff branch1 branch2 > diff 14:03 KikaRz-away going to compile some things 14:33 KikaRz Hi there :D 14:40 Penguin hi 14:41 KikaRz hi 14:41 KikaRz im building new 3d players minetest version 14:51 KikaRz Oh godf 14:51 KikaRz so many warnings 14:52 KikaRz so many warniiing 14:52 ruskie nothing wrong with those 14:53 KikaRz in windows 15:05 KikaRz a lot of warning lines 15:13 Penguin hi 15:14 babyface1031 hi 15:20 KikaRz NOW: 15:20 KikaRz 123 Errors 18922 Warnings 15:23 PilzAdam Hello everyone! 15:29 KikaRz PilzAdam 15:29 KikaRz 123 Errors and 18922 Warnings during Minetest (new version) compilation. 15:29 KikaRz in VS 15:30 PilzAdam well, use Linux ;-) 15:32 PilzAdam KikaRz, did you installed all dependencies? 15:32 KikaRz Not Linux 15:32 KikaRz Windows 15:32 KikaRz to compile with Direct3D 15:32 KikaRz Files are just jmutex.h 15:33 KikaRz Gangnam style views: 826061391 15:34 KikaRz We kill Justin Bieber, so now, get the 1,000,000,000 views! 15:34 KikaRz azertyg8 há 44 segundos 5 15:34 KikaRz azertyg8 said that at 44 seconds. 5 likes 15:39 KikaRz XD 15:39 KikaRz all dislikes are just from justin bieber fans 15:40 crusty dammit D: 15:40 crusty seriously? :D 15:40 KikaRz yep 15:40 crusty KikaRz: http://www.tinyurl.pl/?BQI90ea9 15:42 KikaRz so, batman style 15:42 KikaRz not gangnam xd 15:42 KikaRz :P 15:42 KikaRz bye 15:42 KikaRz Physical Education 15:42 crusty :D 15:43 crusty $home 15:43 KikaRz $home 15:43 KikaRz-away fail 15:43 KikaRz-away bug 15:43 KikaRz-away by 15:43 KikaRz-away see you later 15:43 crusty i mean $HOME 15:49 PilzAdam http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=53659 15:50 PilzAdam ^ can some people please answer to this? 15:52 PilzAdam yep 15:55 Lumpio- If they get converted, how come some of them are flipped 15:56 jin_xi are those doors automatable via mesecons or similar? 15:56 PilzAdam no 15:56 PilzAdam mesecon doesnt support defining the functions in the node definition so its not possible 15:58 PilzAdam Lumpio-, the direction doesnt get converted correctly (sometimes) 15:59 PilzAdam oh, and please reply in the topic so others can see what you think 16:09 Taoki http://i46.tinypic.com/j5fd35.png MineTest with real lighting (replacing the fake voxel light system). I got this done out of an experiment to implement parallax mapping... obviously it is just a test 16:10 PilzAdam triple post? 16:11 Taoki There are different people on different channels, so posting for everyone 16:11 KikaRz-away BACK 16:12 KikaRz-away who can give me the Win32 version of the 3d players game 16:12 KikaRz-away ? 16:12 KikaRz-away with d3d support 16:16 thexyz http://minetest.ru/prowseed-minetest-net/ 16:19 KikaRz that is? 16:24 jin_xi thexyz: looks nice 16:26 thexyz lol, looks fine in lynx http://api.browsershots.org/png/original/18/18227502b297d0a0b61a75195285f2a7.png 16:28 thexyz well, i'm not a pro at css/html 16:29 PilzAdam any 0.4.4 servers? 16:30 KikaRz 0.4.4 ? 16:30 KikaRz o.o 16:30 thexyz PilzAdam: why do you need it? 16:31 KikaRz it maybe its 0.5 or 0.4.4.. 16:35 NekoGloop Or maybe it's dead. 16:35 KikaRz No it isnt NekoGloop, dont be stupid 16:37 KikaRz well 16:37 KikaRz NekoGloop 16:37 KikaRz you're right 16:37 KikaRz http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3859 16:37 KikaRz celeron is blocking everything 16:37 KikaRz and killing it 16:38 KikaRz anyways, we will be all working on it 16:39 NekoGloop Yes but at one point, there will be no "base minetest", just a buttton of incompatible recodings. 16:39 thexyz lol, nice joke 16:40 NekoGloop What joke? RBA sees that nothing is happening. 16:40 NekoGloop Why cant you? 16:40 thexyz i cant what? 16:41 NekoGloop See that nothing is happening. 16:41 thexyz because it's not true 16:41 thexyz you are the one who is blind ^^ 16:41 KikaRz Hi Muadtralk 16:41 KikaRz bad news 16:41 PilzAdam thexyz, i want to see 3D models in action again ;-) 16:41 Muadtralk bad news? 16:42 thexyz PilzAdam: well, I can set up server for that 16:42 PilzAdam would be nice 16:42 KikaRz CANT PLAY :( 16:42 Muadtralk hmmm 16:42 Muadtralk let me check 16:42 Muadtralk it might have crashed 16:43 KikaRz nope 16:43 KikaRz not that problem 16:43 KikaRz but yes: When i compile it 16:43 KikaRz it gives me a lot of errors 16:45 Muadtralk ahhh 16:45 Muadtralk thats what you get for using windows 16:45 Muadtralk :D 16:45 thexyz PilzAdam: minetest.ru:12345 16:46 KikaRz muadtralk 16:46 KikaRz compile me it for windows with d3d support :P 16:46 NekoGloop KikaRz: Haha you funny. 16:47 KikaRz shut up NekoGloop 16:47 Muadtralk ever try sfan5? 16:47 KikaRz sfan5 is not compiled for D3D 16:47 KikaRz i've tried. 16:47 Muadtralk or look in c55's blog? I would assume he has compiled 0.4.4 already 16:48 KikaRz No he dont have 16:49 KikaRz Last post of blog: WTF is musicd? 16:49 KikaRz The other: The anniversary of 0.3.1 AND 0.4-dev 16:49 Jordach oh hai guys 16:49 Muadtralk c55 must be getting lazy then 16:49 thexyz ok, I'll build 0.4.4 for windows 16:50 KikaRz YAAAAAY :D 16:50 KikaRz with d3d support plz :) 16:51 KikaRz Muadtralk, he wants to kill the project. 16:51 celeron55 KikaRz's problem is that she needs d3d support and everybody is too lazy to compile with MSVC 16:51 KikaRz celeron55, so, teach me how to. 16:51 celeron55 that's even harder 16:51 thexyz well, I always do my build using MSVC2010 16:51 celeron55 that should make one person happy then i guess 16:52 KikaRz thexyz, you get 123 Errors and 18922 Warnings during Minetest (new version) compilation. ? 16:52 KikaRz i get . '-' 16:53 thexyz let me check it 16:53 KikaRz What i just know making with VS2010 and Delphi: Applications, forms etc. 16:53 celeron55 by the way, wtf is this continuous "minetest is dead" "celeron55 is blocking everything" "whatever" discussion? 16:54 celeron55 is this some kind of a joke 16:54 celeron55 that i don't get 16:54 thexyz some kind of stupidity 16:54 jin_xi i think it people new to open source development style 16:54 PilzAdam RBA is pissed off 16:54 thexyz celeron55: have you already seen http://minetest.ru/prowseed-minetest-net/ ? 16:54 KikaRz celeron55, ask to RealBadAngel 16:54 KikaRz go on Forum Discussions 16:54 PilzAdam he doesnt want to work with you anymore 16:54 celeron55 well, no can do 16:55 KikaRz thexyz, site made by you? *_* 16:55 KikaRz so beautiful 16:56 thexyz KikaRz: design is by prowseed 16:56 KikaRz xd 16:56 KikaRz i know 16:56 KikaRz i thinked that you were prowseed 16:56 celeron55 i'm currently looking a stuff that looks like this, rather than websites: 01:00:00:00:0a:80:84:01:81:84:01:82:84:01:83:84:01:84:84:01:85:84:01:86:84:01:87:84:01:88:84:01:89:84:01 16:56 KikaRz Windows (XP/Vista/7) 16:56 KikaRz Minetest 0.4.3 16:56 KikaRz this is OS detector? 16:56 celeron55 at* 16:56 thexyz that's plain html 16:56 thexyz even without any links 16:57 KikaRz Look his photo http://prowseed.com/graf/me.jpg 16:57 KikaRz thexyz, you started compiling? 16:58 KikaRz welcome back Muadtralk 16:59 thexyz KikaRz: working on it 16:59 KikaRz My current wallpaper: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/82342922/images/minetest_blue1_small.png 16:59 KikaRz by Calinou 17:02 KikaRz .by talking in calinou... 17:03 KikaRz he appears 17:03 KikaRz Wild Calinou appeared! 17:03 Jordach hey Calinou 17:03 Jordach apparently i can use my pc 17:05 Calinou just seen this: http://minetest.ru/prowseed-minetest-net/ 17:05 Calinou this beats minecraft.net by far 17:05 Calinou :D 17:05 Jordach fuck yeah 17:05 Calinou but it's not real :( 17:05 thexyz why? 17:05 KikaRz calinou 17:05 Calinou the screenshots should be replaced with better ones, and the links should be actually made :P 17:05 Jordach Calinou - the text is tho 17:06 Jordach and we need css for new pages 17:06 Muadtralk any good servers updated to 0.4.4? 17:06 Calinou the screenshots near the download button are old, or have the HUD enabled 17:06 Jordach nope nope nope nope 17:06 Calinou Muadtralk: localhost, 127.0.0.1 17:06 Calinou :D 17:06 Jordach or 0.0.0.0 17:06 thexyz KikaRz: http://rghost.ru/41829432 17:06 Muadtralk mine is at 0.4.4 but...... nobody plays on it 17:07 KikaRz Muadtralk 17:07 KikaRz there is already a hoster 17:07 Calinou I like the image with a laptop, but the screenshot is very old again :) 17:07 Muadtralk notihng a bit of photoediting wont fix 17:07 Muadtralk nothing* 17:07 KikaRz calinou 17:08 KikaRz i use your wallpaper 17:09 KikaRz downloading, thexyz. 17:09 thexyz fuck, ompldr is broken, >Ouch, db error: Lock wait timeout exceeded; try restarting transaction 17:10 Calinou use pastebin, paste binary, tell guy to paste it in a text file and make it binary, ???, PROFIT 17:10 Calinou unfortunately this isn't possible :( 17:10 KikaRz lol * Muadtralk (~sdzen@unaffiliated/muadtralk) saiu de #minetest ("ISON jordan4ibanez PilzAdam ray8888 OldCoder RealBadAngel NekoGloop GloopMaster VanessaE MiJyn hmmmmmm Taoki Jordach thexyz") 17:10 KikaRz left from* 17:10 thexyz Calinou: why not? 17:10 NekoGloop He doesnt ever leave any of the userchats. 17:11 KikaRz uuh... 17:11 KikaRz thexyz 17:11 KikaRz the game minetest_game (better, the folder from games "minetest_game) is not there 17:12 Calinou thexyz: how are you supposed to do this? :P 17:12 thexyz then place it here 17:13 thexyz Calinou: base64 may help in this case 17:14 celeron55 yep 17:14 NekoGloop KikaRz: Download it then? 17:15 KikaRz i got it already. 17:15 KikaRz nekogloop, next time, wake up faster. 17:15 NekoGloop I am awake? 17:16 KikaRz said that at 3 minutes 17:16 KikaRz ago 17:19 KikaRz thexyz 17:19 KikaRz bad news for you too 17:19 thexyz ? 17:19 KikaRz a sec 17:19 KikaRz ... bad news. 17:19 KikaRz The game cant read file minetest.conf 17:19 Calinou base64, best password encryption EVER 17:20 KikaRz Using Renderer: OpenGL 1.1.0 17:20 KikaRz hate this 17:20 KikaRz i setted up in the conf file 17:20 thexyz then switch renderer in .conf 17:20 KikaRz video_driver = direct3d9 17:20 KikaRz *i wrote there 17:20 KikaRz and it could not read 17:20 KikaRz i wrote there and dont changes ingame 17:21 Calinou video_driver = software 17:21 Calinou there, no complaining about version 17:21 KikaRz I CANT RUN THAT SHIT 17:21 KikaRz O_O' 17:21 Calinou video_driver = burningsvideo 17:21 Calinou :> 17:21 KikaRz that neither 17:22 KikaRz the graphics sucks at ALL! 17:22 KikaRz bad news 17:22 KikaRz the minetest cant read the file minetest.conf 17:22 KikaRz software mode not accepted 17:22 bulletrulz hi 17:22 KikaRz FIRST: in singleplayer, the game could make a minetest.conf file 17:23 Calinou video_driver = null 17:23 KikaRz but its not making 17:23 Calinou FASTEST 17:23 Calinou :p 17:23 KikaRz neither reading it 17:23 KikaRz null dont works 17:23 NekoGloop video_driver = opengl 17:23 NekoGloop Problem solved. 17:24 KikaRz NekoGloop , shut the fucking up 17:24 bulletrulz lol 17:24 NekoGloop fucking up? What is this nonsense. 17:24 KikaRz STFU = ? 17:24 Calinou buy a better GPU then.. 17:24 KikaRz calinou, buy me one. 17:24 Calinou no u 17:24 KikaRz i didnt received this month 17:24 bulletrulz KikaRz, that is shut the fuck up 17:24 KikaRz ... the same 17:24 KikaRz just remove the ing 17:24 bulletrulz no fucking is sex 17:25 bulletrulz shut the sex up 17:25 KikaRz ... 17:25 bulletrulz lol 17:25 bulletrulz xD 17:25 NekoGloop My god. 17:25 NekoGloop Perverts. Perverts everywhere. 17:25 bulletrulz now shut the fuck up means be qeuit 17:25 KikaRz Pasting screenshot on Notepad... fail! 17:25 KikaRz it was to past it in paint 17:25 KikaRz not notepad 17:25 KikaRz -.- 17:25 Jordach Calinou - http://i.imgur.com/X4a4u.png - your wallpapers are awesome! 17:26 NekoGloop Then shut the fuck up and do it, kika. 17:26 NekoGloop Jordach: Le gasp. Le minecraft pocket edition lite. 17:26 PilzAdam Jordach, is easy to make such wallpapers yourself; i did so in 2 mins. 17:26 NekoGloop At least i have the one that keeps save files. 17:26 bulletrulz OKAY SHUSHHH! everyone 17:27 NekoGloop bulletrulz: Can i have a gwass of water? 17:27 Jordach NekoGloop - /me does not give a damn about full versions 17:27 KikaRz f*** you neko 17:27 KikaRz i hate your stupid decisions. 17:27 Calinou LOL 17:28 Calinou Jordach: that looks good, though 17:30 Jordach Calinou its a 16gb ipad2 17:30 Jordach actually, it does look good 17:31 KikaRz http://prntscr.com/knkd6 17:31 KikaRz thexyz 17:31 KikaRz and no, i dont have windows xp 17:31 NekoGloop KikaRz: Hello Joao. 17:31 KikaRz Joao its my brother 17:32 KikaRz he formatted the computer 17:32 Jordach and fucked it up 17:32 Jordach >:) 17:32 KikaRz no 17:32 NekoGloop KikaRz: Save the file. 17:32 KikaRz just made him better 17:32 KikaRz what file? 17:32 KikaRz i've already 17:32 NekoGloop Minetest.conf 17:32 NekoGloop And save it in the minetest/ directory, not the minetest/bin/ directory. 17:33 KikaRz ... 17:33 KikaRz you stupid? 17:33 NekoGloop No, you are. 17:33 KikaRz where is the minetest.conf in another versions? 17:33 KikaRz in minetest/ 17:33 KikaRz -.- 17:33 NekoGloop It is in minetest/ 17:33 KikaRz Yes it is 17:33 NekoGloop So put yours there. 17:33 KikaRz i know about that 17:33 KikaRz ITS THERE! 17:34 NekoGloop Then let it save its version, and edit that. 17:34 KikaRz what version? 17:34 NekoGloop You are a fucking retard. 17:34 KikaRz Like you and who did you. 17:34 NekoGloop This is the reason i dont like minetest's community. 17:34 NekoGloop People who cant help themselves. 17:34 KikaRz we arent like you. 17:35 NekoGloop And cant understand the english language. 17:35 thexyz KikaRz: C:\Documents and Settings\user\Application Data\minetest 17:36 KikaRz thexyz, we aren't in Minecraft. 17:36 NekoGloop KikaRz: Well you cant seem to use the proper way so... 17:36 Calinou thexyz: windows version is run-in-place 17:37 OldCoder I am here 17:37 thexyz KikaRz: wut? 17:37 KikaRz Better: 17:37 OldCoder NekoGloop, KikaRz you are both quite assertive 17:37 KikaRz %appdata% 17:37 thexyz i've tested, it works 17:37 OldCoder KikaRz, I have not reviewed the pics but will do so today 17:37 KikaRz OldCoder, his fault. 17:37 KikaRz what pics? 17:37 OldCoder KikaRz, avatar 17:37 KikaRz ah! 17:37 NekoGloop KikaRz: You're the one calling me stupid with no grounds. 17:37 KikaRz ok 17:37 OldCoder Folks I'll mute you if necessary 17:38 NekoGloop OldCoder: Mute the channel. 17:38 OldCoder That would be bad 17:38 OldCoder I am sorry I wasn't paying attention 17:38 KikaRz NekoGloop, you've took bad decisions. Nobody can support things that you can. 17:38 NekoGloop KikaRz: What are you on about? 17:39 thexyz Calinou: i don't understand the whole windows thing at all, for some odd reason it just stores everything in %appdata% 17:39 NekoGloop thexyz: Nope. 17:39 thexyz 21:36:28: INFO[main]: logfile = C:\Documents and Settings\user\Application Data\minetest\debug.txt 17:39 thexyz 21:36:28: INFO[main]: path_share = C:\Documents and Settings\user\Desktop\minetest-0.4.4-minetest-ru-win32\minetest-0.4.4-minetest-ru-win32\bin\.. 17:39 KikaRz NekoGloop, about your computer specifications (my computer is not good than yours.( 17:39 thexyz 21:36:28: INFO[main]: path_user = C:\Documents and Settings\user\Application Data\minetest 17:39 thexyz 21:36:28: INFO[main]: minetest with SER_FMT_VER_HIGHEST=25, VER=0.4.4-minetest-ru BUILD_TYPE=Release RUN_IN_PLACE=ON USE_GETTEXT=1 USE_SOUND=1 STATIC_SHAREDIR=. 17:39 KikaRz OldCOder 17:39 Calinou thexyz: it didn't for me (windows 7) 17:39 KikaRz got a problem in skin 3D 17:39 Calinou back when I was on windows 17:39 thexyz then my build is somehow wrong, feel free to make better one ^^ 17:39 NekoGloop KikaRz: What? 17:40 Calinou you didn't use -DRUN_IN_PLACE=1 with cmaek :p 17:40 Calinou cmake* 17:40 KikaRz let me see 17:41 thexyz Calinou: >RUN_IN_PLACE=ON 17:41 OldCoder Hmm 17:41 KikaRz hey 17:42 KikaRz Could not open file of texture: character.png. 17:42 KikaRz (thats the 3d one) 17:42 bulletrulz windows 8 is a diesatster ,for the microsoft windows operating system 17:42 bulletrulz now so was vista 7 and 2000 17:42 Calinou windows 8 is a disaster for everyone 17:42 Calinou every single window 17:43 Calinou it's hard to help people on windows 17:43 KikaRz yea 17:43 Calinou windows doesn't respect any standards 17:43 KikaRz i hate it 17:43 bulletrulz THERE NOT ANDROID THERE FUCKING A PC OS 17:43 KikaRz i've tested windows 8 17:43 Calinou windows sucks in general (recognizes files by extensions, not MIME types) 17:43 bulletrulz and there confused 17:43 Calinou linux is only better. not different. 17:43 bulletrulz well i bet u linux has got 3% uup lol 17:43 KikaRz Who got a server for 0.4.4 ??? (that one with carts... 3d players... etc) 17:44 NekoGloop Linux is only worse. 17:44 Calinou PilzAdam: could you merge my pull request please? :D 17:44 Calinou NekoGloop: reasons? 17:44 thexyz KikaRz: minetest.ru:12345 17:44 thexyz that one is without carts though 17:44 bulletrulz NekoGloop, WELL your confused 17:44 Calinou hardware doesn't really count, you're fine if you don't have AMD hardware :) 17:44 KikaRz i want carts!!!! :'( 17:44 thexyz ok, one moment 17:44 bulletrulz ok so heres a myth WINDOWS HAS MORE HARDWARE COMPATABILTI THEN UBUNTU 17:44 bulletrulz WRONG! 17:44 NekoGloop Tis true 17:45 Calinou yes, it is wrong, theorically 17:45 Calinou linux drivers are in the kernel. not for windows 17:45 Calinou but sadly, some hardware has no linux drivers, not even proprietary ones.. 17:45 bulletrulz see 17:45 bulletrulz ! 17:45 bulletrulz ubuntu has more compatbiltie! 17:45 NekoGloop Nope. 17:45 Calinou or pretty much any distro that uses torvalds' kernel 17:46 Calinou linux-libre HW compat is terrible :> 17:46 bulletrulz another myth UBUNTU IS FOR SMART PEOPLE 17:46 bulletrulz WRONG! 17:46 bulletrulz joli os ubuntu and chrome os prove that myth wrong 17:46 NekoGloop Ubuntu is only for people who can program a program to download the basic shit. 17:47 NekoGloop Windows at least gives you a (shitty) browser to start with. 17:47 Calinou ubuntu has a lot (== too much) software by default 17:47 Calinou windows has a shit office suite by default, which is very locked unless you buy it 17:47 Calinou and shit browser 17:48 Calinou and shit editor that can't into non-windows encodings 17:48 bulletrulz lol you have apperatnly never used ubuntu NakedFury 17:48 bulletrulz NekoGloop, 17:48 Trezker Ubuntu doesn't come with browser? I think it did when I installed it last... 17:48 bulletrulz it does firefox 17:48 Calinou it does 17:48 thexyz it does 17:48 Calinou but chromium > firefox :> 17:48 thexyz it also comes with marketplace to download software 17:48 NekoGloop bulletrulz: I tried. 17:48 Trezker And you don't need a browser to download Ubuntu software anyway... 17:48 bulletrulz NakedFury,= most likely never used linux 17:48 bulletrulz no dammit 17:49 Calinou it also comes with amazon search suggestions :> 17:49 bulletrulz NekoGloop, = most likely never used linux 17:49 NekoGloop Tell that to the installer that doesnt work. 17:49 bulletrulz dude it comes with a browser a media player a software center! 17:49 bulletrulz the installer didnt work on ur pc CHECK THE DAMN SUM! 17:49 NekoGloop And a shit installer. 17:50 Calinou TIL I could press windows+w to open a web browser 17:50 Calinou did this by mistake :> 17:50 bulletrulz THE Installer is easeir then windows 17:50 NekoGloop Of course. 17:50 Calinou ubiquity is the best installer eveer 17:50 Calinou ever* 17:50 NekoGloop You can also make keyboard shortcuts to icons on your desktop in windows. 17:50 bulletrulz way easier then windows installer 17:51 bulletrulz WHY THE FUCK would u want to do that! 17:51 bulletrulz theres no point ? 17:51 NekoGloop For me, ctrl+alt+M opens minecraft. ctrl+alt+T opens the Technic Launcher. 17:51 KikaRz LOVE NEW CARTS AND 3d MODELS 17:51 bulletrulz good for you we can do that too 17:51 Calinou why would you buy windows anyway (when you have a computer with no os)? 17:52 Calinou people still do this today, "because they want to play games" 17:52 bulletrulz exactly 17:52 bulletrulz LOL! 17:52 Calinou i get pissed off whenever someone builds a PC then puts windows on it 17:52 bulletrulz Calinou, +1 17:52 Calinou it is possible to play games on linux 17:52 Calinou and without wine, too 17:52 bulletrulz its stupid 17:52 NekoGloop Because people actually make and maintain stuff for windows? 17:52 Trezker Can windows file browser do sftp out of the box? 17:52 bulletrulz STEAM FOR LINUX 17:53 Calinou proof: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1389546/ 17:53 bulletrulz NekoGloop, WINDOWS 8 wont let u install exe files on freaking the surface 17:53 Calinou steam for linux is stupid 17:53 Calinou proprietary DRM, go away 17:53 NekoGloop bulletrulz: Free games then, that arent in beta/alpha/prealpha/minetest dev level? 17:53 Calinou bulletrulz: because they can't run, they're not compiled for ARM architecture :) 17:53 Calinou NekoGloop: sauerbraten, red eclipse, xonotic, openarena, warsow 17:53 thexyz Trezker: windowz guys don't need that 17:53 Calinou try these 5 ones 17:54 bulletrulz NekoGloop, steam l4d2 works better in linux 17:54 Calinou minetest doesn't feel alpha/prealpha/beta imo 17:54 Calinou bulletrulz: it still requires proprietary DRM to be run 17:54 NekoGloop bulletrulz: And windows 8 is not an os, it's a tech demo. 17:54 bulletrulz minetest is kninda slow 17:54 Calinou it's very fast 17:54 Calinou for a minecraft-style game 17:54 bulletrulz NekoGloop, windows 8 IS OUT! 17:54 Trezker thexyz, are you saying windows guys don't need to transfer files between computers over the internet? 17:54 NekoGloop Minecraft with optifine is faster. -_- 17:54 bulletrulz Calinou, i meant that it is moving upgrading slpow 17:55 NekoGloop bulletrulz: So? They slapped a price tag on a demo. 17:55 Calinou if you have a good computer it is, if you have a slow comptuer it is definitely not 17:55 bulletrulz NekoGloop, THATS EVERY OS DUMBASS 17:55 thexyz Trezker: of course they don't 17:55 bulletrulz the os is a demo lol 17:55 Calinou bulletrulz: c-fifty-five is not getting money for making minetest 17:55 NekoGloop bulletrulz: Windows XP 17:55 NekoGloop Windows 7 17:55 thexyz they use dropbox 17:55 Calinou of course you can donate if you like his game, but you're not forced to do that 17:55 thexyz or some other proprietary shit 17:55 Calinou dropbox... lol 17:56 thexyz NekoGloop: how do you "transfer files between computers over the internet"? 17:56 Calinou well I use dropbox but I don't use the spyware client 17:56 bulletrulz ok and so ull pay 100$ for a freaking os when u can get a better one for free 17:56 Calinou thexyz: scp! :P 17:56 NekoGloop thexyz: Omploader usually. 17:56 thexyz what if that file is.. umm.. 50GB? 17:56 bulletrulz Simple Windows = shitty slow malware infected computer :D 17:56 NekoGloop Course, if i'm just transferring files, just use a pen drive. 17:57 bulletrulz linux = fast resourceful little easy 17:57 Trezker if something is 50GB you make a torrent of course 17:57 Calinou windows boots in 30 seconds until I can log in. then, I need to wait 30 seconds until computer is usable because of everything starting up 17:57 NekoGloop bulletrulz: Same arguement that you used: bulletrulz= person who has never used windows. 17:57 bulletrulz hahahah! 17:57 thexyz Trezker: lol 17:57 Calinou xubuntu boots in 30 seconds until I can log in. then, I need to wait 5 seconds until computer is usable 17:57 bulletrulz acctlu this computer came wit windows 7 NekoGloop 17:57 NekoGloop Calinou: In thirty seconds i can have technic pack loaded O-o 17:58 Calinou same, preinstalled windows :/ 17:58 bulletrulz i used it for about 5 months 17:58 bulletrulz then got my usb and installed linux 17:58 Trezker I don't know how fast my computer boots. It's Linux, I don't remember when I last had to boot... 17:58 thexyz NekoGloop: and if the other PC is located in over than 1000 km away? 17:58 Calinou Trezker: what distro? 17:58 NekoGloop thexyz: Why do i care then? 17:58 bulletrulz Trezker, most likey around 30 seconds 17:58 Trezker Ubuntu :/ But it's still pretty stable 17:58 Calinou ubuntu is ok 17:58 Calinou xubuntu is even better :> 17:58 thexyz see, Trezker, they don't need it 17:59 Calinou "ubuntu without the downsides" 17:59 thexyz and then comes gentoo 17:59 Trezker noone has ever used gentoo, they only compile it 18:00 NekoGloop No seriously. Why the hell would i care if someone more than a mile away wanted a file? 18:00 bulletrulz neko install ubuntu then tell me that were wrong 18:00 bulletrulz Calinou, LUBUNTU for the win xD 18:00 thexyz yeah, yeah.. 18:00 bulletrulz NekoGloop, CAUSE THATS WHAT COMPUTERS ARE FOR LOL! 18:00 bulletrulz computers are for sharing files 18:00 Calinou LXDE is way too featureless and not customizable 18:00 NekoGloop bulletrulz: I tried, werent you listening? 18:01 thexyz mate is fine 18:01 bulletrulz NekoGloop, redownload 18:01 NekoGloop It never loaded ubuntu. 18:01 Calinou mate is ok, but uses obsolete technologies 18:01 Calinou you can make xfce behave like gnome 2 18:01 Calinou ;) 18:01 Calinou (and it'll be faster too) 18:01 thexyz i've tried once.. 18:02 NekoGloop bulletrulz: And computers are for gaming. 18:02 bulletrulz NekoGloop, WRONG 18:02 NekoGloop You, sir, are sadly mistaken. 18:02 bulletrulz NekoGloop, computers are for file sharing game systems are for gaminh 18:02 Calinou computers are for anything, including gaming, making consoles useless 18:02 thexyz not sure if trolling 18:03 Trezker and the internet is for NSFW 18:03 Calinou lol 18:03 NekoGloop The internet is for online games. 18:03 bulletrulz NekoGloop, dude u r really just saying shit like that 18:03 Trezker and chatrooms are for FBI agents 18:03 NekoGloop bulletrulz: No, you are. 18:03 bulletrulz ok NekoGloop your logic is incorrect 18:04 NekoGloop How? 18:04 thexyz Trezker: i'd prefer KGB 18:04 bulletrulz Windows IS For One Thing Gaming 18:04 KikaRz going to study. 18:04 NekoGloop KikaRz: This isnt facebook. I dont care. 18:04 bulletrulz Mac IS For Picturing 18:04 Calinou nope 18:04 Calinou linux is for everything, including gaming and picturingf 18:04 bulletrulz Linux Is For Everything Else 18:04 NekoGloop Mac is for hammering. 18:04 Calinou you just have to find the right software 18:04 bulletrulz Calinou, ikr 18:05 NekoGloop (By that i mean hitting it with a hammer) 18:05 Calinou windows is not for gaming 18:05 Calinou it's for playing DRM'd games. and you should not 18:05 bulletrulz yea 18:05 Calinou mac is for people who like walled gardens 18:05 Calinou see 10.8 18:05 NekoGloop And linux is for controlling machinery 18:05 Calinou "oh, you downloaded software from the internet? hey it's b0rked" --OS X 18:05 bulletrulz NekoGloop, is abousutly wrong! 18:06 Calinou linux on the desktop is better than windows or os x 18:06 NekoGloop Nope. 18:06 Calinou 1) you choose how it looks 18:06 Calinou 2) it is faster 18:06 KikaRz 2 18:06 NekoGloop 1) windows is also customizable. 18:06 KikaRz 2 ) its slower 18:06 Calinou way less 18:06 NekoGloop 2) it actually boots some low form of protection on your system 18:06 bulletrulz NekoGloop, 18:06 Calinou you can choose the window color and wallpaper, nothing else 18:07 bulletrulz 1) windows starter edition is not customizable 18:07 Calinou with linux you choose where your buttons are, how the alt-tab looks, how windows look, whether you want the X - + buttons to be at the left or right or window.. 18:07 Calinou and starter is not customizable. this is a terrible anti-feature 18:07 NekoGloop Calinou: I dont care about that shit. Also, editing png files in C:/WINDOWS 18:07 Calinou (it is technically, but you do not want to follow windows tutorials from the internet) 18:07 Calinou 2) it actually boots some low form of protection on your system < linux is much safer... 18:08 NekoGloop Linux is safer? How? 18:08 Calinou NekoGloop: windows transforms all wallpapers in .jpg format :P 18:08 NekoGloop You get nil protection. 18:08 Calinou NekoGloop: (almost) no viruses... it's safer by nature 18:08 Calinou least privilege principe 18:08 NekoGloop No viruses? You insane 18:08 NekoGloop . 18:08 bulletrulz WE DIDNT SAY NO VIRUSES! 18:09 NekoGloop (My thoughts on this ipad are exempt from this conversation) 18:09 bulletrulz linux has 800! 18:09 Calinou linux is used by 1% of desktop computers, why would it have more viruses than windows which is used by 90% of desktop computers? 18:09 bulletrulz windows has 900000000 18:09 bulletrulz Calinou, its like 5% since windows 8 came out 18:09 NekoGloop bulletrulz: And? More than 99% of those are detected by any kind of protection software. 18:09 Trezker I've been to some scary places on the internet, but I had no fear, because I'm running Linux. I download and run crap without a second thought... 18:10 OldCoder Where does BSD fit in? 18:10 NekoGloop john_minetest: And could stay there. 18:10 Calinou bulletrulz: not really 18:10 Trezker haven't been bitten yet 18:10 OldCoder Trezker, Remember that malware can get into Linux via browser addons 18:10 Calinou people do not run linux "by mistake", unlike windows 18:10 Calinou windows is still sold on every single computer in stores 18:10 OldCoder Calinou, ditto 18:10 Calinou will not change for YEARS 18:10 OldCoder Well, 99% 18:10 Calinou 100% here, in france 18:10 OldCoder Ah 18:10 Calinou last computer with ubuntu seen in a store: 2007 18:10 NekoGloop Because people want a profit. 18:10 OldCoder No; it's business 18:10 NekoGloop Linux doesnt allow this. 18:10 OldCoder Monopolistic 18:11 Calinou OEMs would make more profit by not putting windows and selling the computer at the same price 18:11 Calinou :p 18:11 Calinou android isn't FOSS, that's why it has viruses 18:11 Calinou the only FOSS part is linux 18:11 Calinou (GPL FTW) 18:11 * Calinou doesn't have a mobile phone 18:11 bulletrulz john_minetest, really u sure 18:11 Calinou john_minetest: you want to use GPL when you deal with corporations 18:11 * NekoGloop has one with something not even comparable to webOS. 18:12 Calinou mobile phones deal with corporations (careers, app makers...) 18:12 redcrab Avast / McAffe / Symantec Antivirus works on Linux ... often used on linux server that provide by a way or another file storage service (share, ftp and co) ... but for my desktop .. I use Linux lonely since 2005 and I never installed any antivirus of any kind ... I was never infected by any kind of virus ... 18:12 * john_minetest uses a 10 years old mobile phone... 18:12 * bulletrulz uses a rooted android which has no viruses 18:12 Calinou antiviruses are pointless on any OS 18:12 Calinou they're just spyware 18:13 Calinou i ran windows for 9 months with no AV 18:13 NekoGloop Calinou: Pls explain your logic. 18:13 Calinou got zero issues 18:13 NekoGloop Antivirus is spyware? Bitch please. 18:14 OldCoder Linux has no viruses except for fake ones created as exercises. It does have malware of different types. Much rarer than under Windows. 18:14 redcrab in the industry , on production server you can't place your balls on the table and say "Mr the customer you don't need any AV service" , 1st) they laugh at you , 2) Best way to make a career suicide.. 18:15 NekoGloop So while you all toil away with your easily hackable computers, i'll sit comfy and cozy with windows. 18:15 redcrab With or Without Linux or any os of any kind 18:15 celeron55 well, generally you want to run antivirus if you're transferring files between windows computers 18:15 Calinou i see "windows" ;) 18:15 bulletrulz easable HACKACBLE COMPUTERS O: 18:15 bulletrulz ur talking about windows right? 18:15 NekoGloop bulletrulz: Hackers can easily get linux source code. 18:16 celeron55 also, there are viruses for linux too, but they have hard time spreading much because there are so many distros with different versions and combinations and setups of things 18:16 celeron55 also, if one runs a linux server, beware of targeted attacks by real humans 18:16 NekoGloop celeron55: Did anyone ask for your opinion? 18:16 redcrab on a network ... most industry use LInux / Unix in their environement with Windows Desktop, in front ... that why AV is a industry mandatory even with Linux/unix 18:16 celeron55 specifically targeted rootkits aren't that rare 18:16 celeron55 NekoGloop: the internet has a wrong 18:17 Calinou it's not hard to break into a computer, regardless of security 18:17 Calinou throw it, ???, PROFIT 18:17 bulletrulz SOURCE CODe is not the os it seld 18:17 bulletrulz its before the os is buld 18:17 bulletrulz built 18:17 NekoGloop bulletrulz: Seriously dude, learn to spell. 18:18 NekoGloop Of course, i shouldnt expect that from a linux users. 18:18 bulletrulz omg 18:18 bulletrulz lol! 18:18 NekoGloop And autocorrect of this damn ipad. 18:18 bulletrulz NekoGloop, is a serous noob 18:18 * celeron55 loves flamewars 18:18 * bulletrulz loves celeron55 18:18 bulletrulz lol jk 18:19 Calinou flamewars, the fuel of the internet 18:19 bulletrulz yep! 18:19 bulletrulz and the simple way to end 18:21 bulletrulz lol! 18:22 celeron55 thexyz: did you solve the RUN_IN_PLACE problem? 18:22 bulletrulz hi Jave27_ 18:22 bulletrulz hi jordan4ibanez 18:22 jordan4ibanez Hi 18:22 bulletrulz hows you doing? 18:22 PilzAdam Hi j4i 18:23 jordan4ibanez Hi pilzadam 18:25 celeron55 thexyz: in a properly working minetest, it should say "RUN_IN_PLACE=1", not "RUN_IN_PLACE=ON" 18:25 celeron55 i don't know what ON does; probably doesn't work or something 18:26 celeron55 it kind of shouldn't even build with that... 18:26 thexyz celeron55: hm... then that should be cmake-gui problem 18:26 PilzAdam jordan4ibanez, where did you get the glass breaking sound for minetest++ (or blockplanet or how its called)? 18:27 jordan4ibanez free SOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUND! 18:28 celeron55 thexyz: i have succesfully used cmake-gui in the past 18:28 celeron55 ...i wonder if they have changed something in recent versions or something... 18:29 jordan4ibanez Pilzadam: https://github.com/jordan4ibanez/BlockPlanet/blob/master/games/blockplanet/mods/default/sounds/Credits 18:29 celeron55 thexyz: how does your generated cmake_config.h look? 18:30 PilzAdam jordan4ibanez, so it could be used upstream? 18:30 bulletrulz got docky working in lubuntu :D 18:30 thexyz celeron55: >#define CMAKE_RUN_IN_PLACE ON 18:30 jordan4ibanez Yea man, they're all under http://creativecommons.org/licenses/sampling+/1.0/ so the liscenses have become useless, so now it is fttp 18:31 celeron55 thexyz: the way that is used goes like "#define RUN_IN_PLACE CMAKE_RUN_IN_PLACE" and then it is checked somewhere with "#if RUN_IN_PLACE" 18:31 celeron55 so that will definitely not work 18:31 jordan4ibanez pilzadam: let me check all the liscenses 18:31 celeron55 it's 1 in my cmake_config.h 18:31 Calinou fttp? 18:32 jordan4ibanez Free To The Public 18:32 Calinou nopez 18:32 Calinou freesound licenses are pathetic 18:32 celeron55 thexyz: i guess you can find some kind of a solution 18:32 * Calinou says: stay away from it 18:32 jordan4ibanez the first one has an outdated lisense, and the next 3 are CCBA 18:34 PilzAdam is the first one glass_shatter.1.ogg? 18:34 bulletrulz MiJyn, 18:34 bulletrulz hi 18:35 jordan4ibanez Yes 18:37 jordan4ibanez Pilzadam: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/commit/ffad18e42442fed10c312adc989fc62b74e05896 You put in 3d item drops? :D 18:37 PilzAdam yes.. ? 18:37 PilzAdam any problems? 18:37 jordan4ibanez No, i was just asking 18:40 KikaRz-away Hi there 18:40 KikaRz-away Calinou 18:41 KikaRz-away and OldCoder 18:41 KikaRz-away got problem with 3d skin 18:42 VanessaE hi all. 18:42 OldCoder Hi 18:42 OldCoder KikaRz-away, I only know about the 2D skins so far 18:42 OldCoder VanessaE, Hi 18:42 * OldCoder will be AFK on an errand for about half an hour 18:43 thexyz http://ompldr.org/vZ2dreA/minetest-0.4.4-minetest-ru-win32.zip (if somebody is interested) 18:44 jordan4ibanez thexyz: Woot! 18:44 bulletrulz jordan4ibanez, what os you got? 18:44 jordan4ibanez windows 7 enterprise 64-bit 18:45 bulletrulz why windows! 18:45 bulletrulz lol i thought you were a good guy lol! 18:46 bulletrulz i thought u had arch? 18:46 jordan4ibanez Shouldn't the client try to render nodes that use different params (like torches) in the param that they are in when they are placed? So that there isn't that weird jump from one param to another when a server is lagging? 18:49 bulletrulz http://coolrom.com/roms/psx/39641/Twisted_Metal_4.php Wanna of the best games for psx 18:51 thexyz enterprise? 18:52 bulletrulz jordan4ibanez, did u pirate it 18:52 bulletrulz ? 18:52 jordan4ibanez No, it's a free trial lol 18:52 thexyz should be quite pricey 18:52 bulletrulz oh lol so your gonna switch back to the free world xD 18:53 jordach There we go 18:53 jordach iPad ftw 18:53 bulletrulz booo 18:53 jordach Boo 18:54 bulletrulz android tablet ftw ! 18:54 thexyz lol, ipad 18:54 thexyz throw it out and go buy some decent tablet 18:54 VanessaE if anyone's running 0.4.4 and wants to visit my laggy little world, it's still at 24.181.193.82 port 30000 18:54 bulletrulz thexyz, +! 18:54 bulletrulz +1 18:54 jordach Lol 18:54 Calinou KikaRz-away: don't use away nicks 18:55 Calinou just use /away and type it again when you are back 18:55 jordan4ibanez No, NO, NOOOO, http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=netrunner Netrunner is GONE 18:55 jordach Calinou, sfan does so 18:55 Calinou thexyz: tablets themselves suck... 18:55 Calinou no keyboard :facepalm: 18:55 PilzAdam has somebody anything against this? https://github.com/PilzAdam/minetest_game/commit/c3eaa9cd64f24a55ce1fd2ff9fa0c9843597aebb 18:55 jordan4ibanez Calinou, you're french right? 18:55 Calinou netbooks are gonna die next year so they're the only option for small computers now :| 18:55 Calinou yes 18:56 jordach Trololololololololol, iPad keyboard ca keep up with my mass typing speed 18:56 jordan4ibanez Stop being french lol 18:56 thexyz Calinou: tablets are good for movies 18:56 jordach And other things too :3 18:56 Calinou lolmovies 18:56 Calinou TV == free (and legal) movies, even though they're shit 18:56 jordach Lol, netflix 18:56 thexyz (or animu) 18:56 jordan4ibanez You're all retarded, go to hulu 18:56 Calinou netflix sucks 18:56 Calinou USA FTL 18:56 Calinou MP3 FTW 18:57 jordach Calinou, come to the uk, where shit tv is always found 18:57 Calinou "Trololololololololol, iPad keyboard ca keep up with my mass typing speed" 18:57 Calinou nice autocaps you have there 18:57 Calinou nice typo you did there :) 18:57 jordach (I do not joke about our chit selection) 18:57 Calinou this is why i hate virtual keyboards :P 18:58 jordach Calinou, do I give a single damn 18:58 jordach +? 18:59 jordan4ibanez Calinou is just seeing how butthurt he can get everyone 18:59 jordan4ibanez Like, All free software is buggy, unpolished, and underdeveloped 19:00 jordan4ibanez It's a joke really, windows squashes linux, really 19:00 thexyz the whole point of tablets is not content creation but consumption 19:00 sokomine hi 19:00 Calinou better buy a computer since you can do both.. 19:00 Calinou hi sokomine 19:00 thexyz yeah, yeah 19:01 jordan4ibanez The point of a tablet is portable computer, where you can't stick a laptop down, or it's unacceptable for a laptop to be there, or a laptop is too bulky or whatever 19:01 thexyz how about 10 hours of lifetime? 19:01 jordach Nekogloop, hello 19:01 jordan4ibanez tablets: good for movie, good for ms paint, bad for productivity 19:01 jordach Bullshit 19:01 jordan4ibanez Type a 1000 word essay, on a virtual keyboard on a tablet, then fling your fecal matter around 19:01 thexyz ipad actually is bad for movies 19:01 sokomine right. my mobile phone proved useful for consuming stuff (or reading on the internet) but inadequate for working. lacks a real keyboard 19:02 jordach Bollocks, I can type fine 19:02 jordach Yo neko, welcome back 19:02 NekoGloop Wut? 19:03 NekoGloop Didnt know this irc app checked for if i am going to timeout. I figured someone kicked me out. 19:03 jordach Neko, irc999? 19:03 NekoGloop No, colloquy. 19:03 jordach That's a lump of turd 19:04 jordach Ok then, back to pinball it is then 19:06 bulletrulz back 19:08 bulletrulz lubuntu is great !| 19:08 jordach Huh 19:08 bulletrulz whats the de you guys use? 19:09 sokomine new_style_water does not seem to work for me. activated it with the newest build and got this: http://www.zimg.eu/i/1381679975 (there ought to be water where there's dirt and stone) 19:10 bulletrulz sokomine, what server u on? 19:10 sokomine vanessas 19:10 sokomine but that was just activating new_style_water 19:11 bulletrulz whats the ip? 19:11 PilzAdam sokomine, new_style_water is broken 19:11 PilzAdam try it with 0.3.1 19:11 PilzAdam farmesh is broken too 19:11 sokomine ok. looked definitely broken. vanessa said i ought to fill a bug report? or is that bug already known? 19:12 sokomine (i'm not sure if i need that option. was just trying it out because it sounded good) 19:12 bulletrulz this is weird 19:12 sokomine what does farmesh do? 19:12 bulletrulz sokomine, can u tell me the ip? 19:12 sokomine well, this is how that water ought to look (and does without new_style_water): http://www.zimg.eu/i/2255851993 (unspectacular screenshot without above bug) 19:13 sokomine 24.181.193.82 30000 but it's just for testing and might not be permanent 19:13 sokomine (vanessas server) 19:14 PilzAdam sokomine, farmesh: http://c55.me/blog/?p=268 19:14 sokomine there are working carts from pilzadam there. they have some bugs but most of them can be worked around or are funny 19:14 sokomine hi mika 19:15 sokomine doesn't tell me what farmesh is supposed to be. i know "far", but "mesh" in this case? 19:15 Mika_R hi sokomine, you selling nyans on redcrabs server? 19:17 sokomine no, sorry, never found a nyan cat except those placed by other players 19:17 sokomine ask vanessa or immanuel_kant. they seem to have large stores of almost everything :-) 19:18 sokomine or try out the new 3d-player. that's really great :-) 19:19 VanessaE hah! 19:19 VanessaE the only reason I have "large stores of everything" is because I'm obsessive, but I have yet to find a nyan cat by digging around :-) 19:20 sokomine how does one find them then? if not by digging around? 19:20 sokomine i've seen several recently on redcrabs server. seemed almost like an inflation of them 19:20 sokomine (cats placed by other players. not ones to pick up) 19:22 NekoGloop Unless you have gloopblocks (haha fat chance), that is the only way. 19:23 Mika_R sokomine it was some qwerbs chests but also you had sub owner to that area, there was 1 nyan for show and 8 in the chest 19:23 VanessaE dig around, or /giveme or creative inventory :D 19:23 PilzAdam VanessaE, why did you closed the junglegrass pull request? 19:23 VanessaE that's how. 19:24 VanessaE PilzAdam: because you said it was "completely useless." 19:24 sokomine yes, i've been given subowner of the entire dc town. makes it easier to build the borders of the university. but i'm not owner of any cats :-) 19:24 PilzAdam VanessaE, that was a line comment; i commented on set_randomseed(os.time()) 19:25 VanessaE HAH! 19:25 VanessaE I didn't even look at that :-) 19:25 VanessaE I will re-open it. 19:25 sokomine junglegrass isn't useless! that's very decorative 19:25 PilzAdam you dont have to 19:25 VanessaE ok, just pull in the latest junglegrass and put it in minetest_game/mods 19:25 VanessaE be sure you delete the .git* stuff from the top level. 19:26 sokomine ah. as part of default? nice! 19:26 PilzAdam VanessaE, i still prefer this: https://github.com/PilzAdam/minetest_game/commit/e6c0b195664ca6cfe3ee346723bcc8dd0a5ee2a6 19:26 VanessaE PilzAdam: email alerts don't make it clear when a comment is against a line or the whole commit. 19:27 PilzAdam I disabled e-mail alerts 19:27 sokomine it's good if the minetest_game improves and has more and better mods in it 19:27 PilzAdam using web interface only 19:27 * VanessaE shrugs 19:27 VanessaE I don't like mapgen-based stuff like grass because it won't regrow if harvested. 19:28 PilzAdam thats the more common way 19:29 sokomine plus mapgen-based stuff doesn't appear when the mod is added at a later time. that forces players to roam around and load/generate new reagions whose sole purpose is to get the stuff that doesn't grow back. like scouting for papyrus on redcrabs server... 19:30 sokomine on the other hand lots of mods that add plants etc. slower things down (at least if there are lots of them). but plants are so nice...and barren grass so boring 19:30 jordan4ibanez What is a good backpack mod? 19:31 PilzAdam the one you code yourself, thats my experience 19:31 jordan4ibanez No sarcasm, please, is inventory plus good? 19:32 sokomine i like it. the bags are very practical 19:33 sokomine they arn't only useful for gathering stuff; they also help when building. with all those detailed blocks like stairs, slabs, microblogs, furniture, lights etc. the inv gets soon filled. bags help there 19:35 jordan4ibanez hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm 19:35 jordan4ibanez PIlzadam, did you add the glassbreak sound to the init.lua 19:35 PilzAdam it was there already 19:36 sokomine if you want to the the bags of inventory_plus in action go to calinous server or the kingarthur server. there they are in use 19:36 PilzAdam https://github.com/celeron55/minetest_game/blob/master/mods/default/init.lua#L703 19:37 jordan4ibanez Pilzadam: Oh okay 19:37 jordan4ibanez Sokomine: Hmm, my server is technic cmobined with some other mods, so my inventory gets stuffed, sounds good 19:37 PilzAdam jordan4ibanez, also TODO: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest_game/blob/master/mods/default/init.lua#L659 19:37 jordan4ibanez s/cmobined/combined 19:37 sokomine from a player's perspective the only disadvantage is that you need an empty inv once - to craft 4 large bags :-) 19:38 Calinou lol @ glass sounds 19:38 Calinou minecraft's ones... 19:38 Calinou :> 19:39 Calinou we still lack sound when stepping on glass, btw 19:39 Calinou PilzAdam: you should make glass sound like stone while being dug or walked on 19:39 Calinou erm, nevermind about the being dug part 19:39 dzho heh 19:39 dzho "glass ore" aka sand 19:41 sokomine hm :-) 19:42 Calinou torch ore aka coal 19:42 Calinou :> 19:42 PilzAdam minetest ore aka irrlicht? 19:43 Calinou opengl ore aka graphics card? 19:47 * sokomine picks up a grapics card and stares at it, expecting it to drop an "irrlicht" item (maybe a pointer? object? who knows...) 19:49 hmmmm well 19:49 hmmmm there's a good idea for a total conversion mod 19:49 hmmmm you wake up in the middle of an enclosed box with nothing but a circuit board at the bottom 19:50 iqualfragile1 cool stuffs guys 19:50 iqualfragile1 cool stuffs 19:50 hmmmm and you build your own electronics 19:50 hmmmm and each components' function or whatever could be defined in lua 20:05 sokomine hmm. seems the newest version does crash on older servers...or maybe it's something else? 20:05 VanessaE I used it on redcrab's server last night and it worked? 20:05 VanessaE it was crashy as usual, but no moreso than I've seen 20:07 Muadtralk i cant connect to Infinity without crashing 20:07 sokomine well, yes, the old version sometimes crashed as well. just had 3 crashes in sequence. but none on your server 20:08 VanessaE celeron55: you seeing this? 20:08 sokomine i'll have a look if there's any pattern or helpful debug messages if it happens again 20:16 jordan4ibanez Does the latest offer any performance benefits? 20:17 VanessaE not really that I've seen. 20:17 VanessaE but the 3d player models + Muadtralk's player_textures mod = win 20:17 PilzAdam not the windows win 20:19 VanessaE celeron55: by the way, that mod ( https://github.com/sdzen/player_textures ) exposes a bug in the game or engine or something -- it only works if used as part of a custom *game* (that is /games/some_game/mods), but it's supposed to work as a regular mod (/mods/minetest) as well. 20:19 VanessaE I'd file it on github if I knew where to start, seeing how it ain't my mod :-) 20:22 PilzAdam VanessaE, maybe you agree that this is the more common way to add junglegrass: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest_game/pull/57 20:22 PilzAdam regrowing junglegrass should stay as an additional mod 20:23 PilzAdam everything is done is mapgen and no other node "regrows" 20:23 PilzAdam and junglegrass shouldnt break this in default game 20:25 Muadtralk why not just bring back jungles entirely? 20:25 VanessaE agreed with Muadtralk 20:26 VanessaE forget junglegrass and bas080/jungletrees. give us back our jungles. 20:26 PilzAdam that would be nice 20:26 Muadtralk even though its useless so is gravel if you think about it 20:26 PilzAdam but until the engine gets patched 20:27 sokomine it is decorative 20:27 jordan4ibanez Pilzadam, you should apply that patch you made so you can make placenode sounds 20:27 PilzAdam have to talk to an engine dev about that 20:27 VanessaE then use my junglegrass mod and not your mapgen one 20:27 VanessaE remember, mine grows the grass over time. 20:27 VanessaE four sizes, similar to farming. 20:27 VanessaE and the grass dies. 20:28 PilzAdam but no other node has this behaviour in the default game 20:28 VanessaE so? 20:28 VanessaE farming will eventually won't it? 20:28 jordan4ibanez NO 20:28 VanessaE celeron55 said he wants to add that, as I recall. 20:28 Muadtralk with better textures i hope 20:29 PilzAdam the map is something static that is generated in mapgen 20:29 VanessaE (except of course you have to hoe the ground to get seeds) 20:29 Muadtralk no offense pilzadam 20:29 PilzAdam :-) 20:29 jordan4ibanez It will make the game heavier over time 20:29 VanessaE yeah but if it's done at mapgen time, it will not work on old servers/maps 20:29 Muadtralk but i dont know what those sticks coming out of the ground are 20:29 jordan4ibanez It needs to be done in mapgen 20:29 VanessaE because all the interesting map areas will have already be generated without grass 20:29 jordan4ibanez If it isn't it will make servers lag to shit 20:29 PilzAdam VanessaE, old servers have jungles... 20:29 VanessaE been 20:29 Muadtralk yes they do 20:29 sokomine better seed-aquisition-methods would be a good idea. the current way leaves people hoeing and leaving farmland behind that will be covered with weed 20:30 Muadtralk weed? 20:30 Muadtralk we adding that mod as well? 20:30 * Muadtralk pulls out a joint 20:30 VanessaE PilzAdam: sure, if they were generated with 0.3.x. 20:30 PilzAdam this farming mod will not go upstream 20:30 PilzAdam heres my dev branch for farming: https://github.com/PilzAdam/minetest_game/tree/farming 20:30 VanessaE but old maps also will have already been *harvested* of those things 20:31 Muadtralk there should be a search function for commits 20:31 Muadtralk it would make it less of a pain to backtrack on them 20:31 sokomine er, no, i'm talking about normal farming mod from pilzadam and careless players not digging it up and turning to dirt-with-grass again after searching for seeds. that doesn't look nice then 20:31 PilzAdam VanessaE, old servers can use your junglegrass mod to grow new junglegrass 20:31 VanessaE just like sokomine said earlier, it's getting REALLY difficult to find stuff on old maps anymore 20:31 jordan4ibanez It's because you must move forward 20:31 PilzAdam yes 20:31 jordan4ibanez you don't see any minecraft alpha maps out there 20:32 Muadtralk I still have my pet firefly in gameboom 20:32 sokomine and that leads to new areas genrated solely for the purpose of finding stuff like papyrus, yes. and lots of areas, lots of computing time just for the gathering of payrus 20:32 VanessaE PilzAdam: sorry, in practice, your idea by itself sucks. :-) 20:33 Muadtralk thats what gameboom has been doing for junglegrass 20:33 Muadtralk it sucks 20:33 PilzAdam why should every new map waste CPU because some old servers want it? 20:33 jordan4ibanez Vanesse: So do most of your ideas, but no one tells you. 20:33 sokomine hm. if i understand pilzadam correctly the mods in the default game ought to do all their stuff at mapgen time (which does lag considerably on my computer :-() - and things that grow can be part of additional mods? 20:33 jordan4ibanez I am on pilzadam's side on this one 20:33 PilzAdam sokomine, yep 20:33 jordan4ibanez Fuck the old servers, we're in 0.4.4 time to move on 20:33 PilzAdam and it uses existing dry shrub code 20:34 PilzAdam so no CPU increase at al 20:34 Muadtralk jordan4ibanez why does making flatlands have to lag so much? 20:34 PilzAdam jordan4ibanez, +154694546545456456 20:34 VanessaE jordan4ibanez: I already know my ideas suck. no one has to tell me. But I keep trying anyway until I come up with something that doesn't suck :-) 20:34 Muadtralk i altered it to create a nyanland for myself 20:34 jordan4ibanez Because it uses a strange ass function to generate flatland 20:34 Muadtralk with moving nyancats and everything 20:34 Muadtralk 2 fps 20:34 Muadtralk but it looks so pretty 20:34 jordan4ibanez I'd have to mod the engine to include flatlands 20:35 sokomine well...the re-growing plants are very nice :-) flowrs, junglegrass, bushes, payrus, cactus, ... 20:35 VanessaE sokomine makes a good point - we got enough stuff in mapgen already that makes the server lag then. slowly-growing items like flowers or grass doesn't do that, 20:35 sokomine if they don't regrow it's not so nice. but lag is another consideration. hm. isn't there a way to do it better? maybe stuff planted by players could regrow? 20:35 Muadtralk I say we need more biomes first 20:35 Muadtralk not the lua mod ones 20:36 PilzAdam VanessaE, sokomine, my code doesnt increase CPU usage because it uses dry shrub code 20:36 Muadtralk actual ones like the deserts 20:36 PilzAdam hmmmm is working on that 20:36 jordan4ibanez Why don't we completely remove lua modifications to the biomes completely? 20:36 jordan4ibanez Lua mapgen slows down the entire game 20:36 VanessaE PilzAdam: it does because you're spawning *two* nodes now instead of just one. 20:36 Muadtralk agreed 20:36 PilzAdam but until its finished we need to do it in Lua 20:36 VanessaE means more stuff being spawned which means more CPU and eventually more lag at mapgen time. 20:36 sokomine or if a player picks up a flower another one gets respawned? that way there would be no need for constant abms? 20:37 PilzAdam VanessaE, compared to your abm its extremly fast 20:37 VanessaE heh. 20:37 hmmmm yeah don't worry about it guys, it's coming 20:37 * VanessaE shrugs 20:37 * jin_xi shrubs 20:38 * sokomine picks up the shrub and places it into her collection 20:38 * PilzAdam takes the collection and puts it in his collection collection 20:38 * jordan4ibanez lights you all on fire 20:38 * sokomine wonders where her plants have gone 20:39 * sokomine replaces the fire with fakefire 20:39 PilzAdam Ill make a forum topic about the junglegrass tomorow 20:39 jordan4ibanez Make a forumspec so you can trade with the junglegrass 20:40 PilzAdam gtg 20:40 jordan4ibanez Peace 20:40 PilzAdam bye 20:40 * sokomine plants a junglegrass 20:41 VanessaE so what can I do to improve the network latency of my server? 20:41 VanessaE it lags all to hell if the player isn't geographically very close to me, despite my having ample CPU and bandwidth available. 20:41 VanessaE and media download at login time takes an ice age because of that 20:42 jordan4ibanez Hard drive 20:42 sokomine the strange thing is that not everything lags. that walking around works fine is understandable...that probably happens entirely locally. but accessing creative inv is a pain 20:42 Muadtralk you can try to see if my conf settings help at all 20:42 sokomine no. can't account for *so* much lag 20:42 Muadtralk i have them ridiculously low 20:43 sokomine that wouldn't be harddrive but swapping old floppies as to the speed i'm experiencing 20:43 jordan4ibanez Oh it can be 20:43 jordan4ibanez My old server used to do that because of my old hard drive 20:44 Muadtralk grrrrrrr linux isnt reading my floppy drive 20:45 Muadtralk I WANT MY 1.4 MB! 20:45 sokomine but...that slow? hm 20:45 sokomine even if the hard drive where slow...linux does cache the data into ram if there is enough ram.... 20:45 jordan4ibanez http://www.geek.com/articles/games/valve-adding-5000-steam-for-linux-beta-testers-today-20121123/ 20:48 harrison crustimony proseedcake 20:49 sokomine 6% media.... 20:49 sokomine maybe i ought to check for package lost or something.... 20:49 jordan4ibanez I think pinguy os is one of the sloppiest distros i've ever seen lol 20:50 KikaRz-away bye 20:50 KikaRz-away come back in a week 20:50 jordan4ibanez I mean look at this http://pinguyos.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Desktop.jpg 20:50 sokomine ping-time ~125 ms 20:51 sokomine too many images, too few text. but that's something most guis have in common 20:52 sokomine local german server gets 46 ms ping time. so that can't account for the lag 20:52 jordan4ibanez Yea, the guy like crammed so many apps it looks displeasing, i remember when i had a dualcore with 2gb of ram and it ate it all up 20:53 jordan4ibanez Oh yea, pearos was my favourite distro! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtjW9Z_8ZCU 21:04 jordan4ibanez Bye all you beaaaaaaauuuutiful peopleeeeeeeeeeee 21:47 sokomine my ping time is fine: 125 ms half accross the world. that's ok i think. what isn't ok is the reply time within minetest 21:48 VanessaE it's celeron55's congestion control. It badly overestimates. 21:51 jin_xi try the tcp branch 21:59 sokomine after logging onto another server and getting a black screen, then pressing f10: "Could not find win32 key for x11 key.: 269024778" 22:10 VanessaE Taoki: try again. 22:11 Taoki VanessaE: Very slow. Wouldn't be surprised if it takes 10 minutes to log in. Been that way since last night though 22:11 sokomine be glad if it doesn't take you more than half an hour *sigh* 22:11 VanessaE Taoki: it might be faster now. 22:11 Taoki I hear the sounds, but it's still not rendering anything 22:11 VanessaE I'm getting, at beast, 1 to 2 of magnitude LESS than I can sustain. 22:12 VanessaE best* 22:12 VanessaE orders of magnitude* 22:12 VanessaE guess I out a word ;) 22:12 sokomine ah. i see you already "walking", taoki (in that logging-in-walking-state) 22:12 Taoki I don't see anything 22:13 Taoki it barely loads. Still says media is at 0%. Which is not the ambience mod, something is badly blocking the server or connection is very slow with it 22:13 VanessaE it's celeron55's congestion management code. 22:13 VanessaE it vastly overestimates the actual amount of congestion. 22:14 VanessaE so that an empty pipe looks congested if the connection is geographically too long. 22:14 sokomine oh, once you have loaded the data the next connection might be faster - less than a minute! 22:14 sokomine hm 22:15 Taoki 5 minutes and nothing 22:16 Taoki yeah 22:16 VanessaE restarting the server... 22:16 sokomine welcome :-) it took me more than 5 minutes 22:16 VanessaE ok, up 22:16 kaeza hey guys 22:17 sokomine hi 22:17 kaeza what's up? 22:18 VanessaE hey kaeza 22:18 sokomine vanessas server. the network connection is due to not yet entirely determined reason extraordinary slow and requires communicaton over irc 22:18 Uberi one of the routers might be transmitting via carrier pidgeon 22:18 VanessaE lol 22:19 kaeza lol 22:19 sokomine the internet connection looks fine according to ping. just minetest doesn't really get through. seems each bit is send per ship.... 22:19 kaeza V is your server still up? 22:19 kaeza wanna test it 22:19 Taoki Clearly the server connection has big issues 22:19 sokomine believe me, carrier pidgeon would be faster. the pidgeon would have died of old age in the meantime! :-) 22:19 kaeza this 22:20 kaeza ^ 22:20 kaeza is untrue 22:20 Uberi it might be if it's a really old pidgeon :P 22:21 sokomine :-) 22:21 sokomine well, it's a long way ,-) 22:21 VanessaE Uberi: kaeza it is up, yes 22:21 VanessaE oops 22:21 * kaeza is having a bad hanover 22:21 VanessaE kaeza, it's up. 22:21 kaeza hangover* 22:21 kaeza ok 22:21 VanessaE 44.181.193.82 port 30000 22:21 Uberi can't wait for 0.4.4, they just boosted the sync rate to 10/s 22:22 sokomine oh...f10 wasn't a good idea 22:22 VanessaE 0.4.4 is already out. 22:22 kaeza oh and BTW how do you package minetest in a deb file? I'm not very good at that cpack thing 22:22 VanessaE Uberi: that ^^^^^ IP runs 0.4.4 built from git pulled a few hours ago. 22:23 VanessaE kaeza: I use checkinstall. 22:23 Uberi oh neat 22:23 Taoki Yeah, I can't connect... something is awfully wrong 22:23 kaeza I can't either 22:23 kaeza you sure it's the right IP? 22:23 Uberi VanessaE: was this happening yesterday? 22:24 VanessaE Uberi: the bandnarrowth? yes. 22:24 Uberi :P 22:24 kaeza yesterday it was 24.181.193.82 22:24 VanessaE it's better today thanks to Muadtralk's help, but still 1-2 orders of magnitude less than I can actually sustain. 22:24 sokomine i'm getting the node-pictures. might not take much longer until i'm in again 22:24 Uberi VanessaE: default texpack or HD? 22:25 sokomine access to the creative inventory has improved considerably with whatever changes where done to the server 22:25 kaeza I don't seem to be able to connect :( 22:25 VanessaE Uberi: default textures, about 40 MB worth of media 22:25 VanessaE kaeza: 24.181.193.82 port 30000 22:25 VanessaE (not 3001) 22:25 VanessaE (not 30001) 22:25 Uberi 40 MB? O_o 22:25 kaeza yes, there was a typo in the IP 22:25 sokomine ok...that was too early. hangs again, the creative inv 22:26 VanessaE Uberi: yeah, but half of that is a mod RBA wanted me to test. 22:26 VanessaE Uberi: that won't be permanent. 22:26 kaeza ok connecting 22:26 Uberi which mod, VanessaE? 22:26 Uberi that is a ton of data 22:27 kaeza 40MB? wait.. what? 22:27 VanessaE ambiance + technic extensions. 22:27 kaeza ambiance is a CPU hog (at least when i tested it) 22:27 VanessaE the rest all together is only about 15 MB. 22:27 VanessaE kaeza: no major CPU usage here. 22:28 VanessaE the server is quite lean. 22:28 VanessaE Taoki: tarball of my cache folder: http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/cache.tbz2 22:29 sokomine damage due to falling on the trampoline occours loong after i've stopped using it.... 22:29 Uberi hey distributing cache folders is an awesome idea 22:29 VanessaE Taoki: that file is ~31.8 MB compressed. 22:31 Taoki Same story. It appears the cache isn't the issue 22:31 VanessaE weird. 22:32 Taoki It's not the sending of assets, something else is the cause 22:32 VanessaE but what? :-/ 22:32 Taoki ok, now it worked 22:33 kaeza http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/30842485.jpg 22:34 sokomine some exception: (none given, as usual) and error messages on the console: GUIPauseMenu: Not allowing focus change. ERROR[main]: Some exception: "basic_string::_S_create" 22:35 Uberi hey didn't you already open an issue for that VanessaE 22:36 VanessaE why bother? celeron55 won't listen and no one else knows how to fix it. 22:37 VanessaE server restarted to revert that sudden night->day transition. 22:37 kaeza just thinking, but does the protocol use some kind of hash? 22:37 VanessaE dunno 22:37 VanessaE except the filenames in the cache look hashed. 22:38 Uberi MD5, IIRC 22:38 kaeza I mean, compute the hash of a chunk in both client and server and if they don't match (or the chunk is not on the client) then the server sends the chunk (or even better some kind of diff) 22:40 kaeza bbia 22:41 VanessaE in a...what? :-) 22:41 Uberi in a blank 22:41 VanessaE lol 22:41 sokomine doesn't that happen already? connecting to a server with lots of data the second time is much faster than the first 22:41 kaeza back 22:41 kaeza oh lol 22:42 kaeza sokomime: yes, but does it do it in real-time? 22:42 kaeza oh nevermind 22:42 kaeza yes it does 22:52 kaeza I mean about the chunks, not the media 22:54 VanessaE bbl, time for f00d 22:54 VanessaE :-) 22:55 kaeza buen provecho (don't know what the english phrase is) 22:56 VanessaE server restart coming.. 22:56 VanessaE kaeza: in English we say it in french - bon appetit :-) 22:56 kaeza k :) 22:56 kaeza thanks for instructing me :) 22:57 VanessaE or sometimes, "eat hearty" 22:57 VanessaE bbl. 23:03 sokomine ah, the chunks. i don't know 23:03 Octupus Hi 23:03 Octupus hi muadtralk 23:07 kaeza hi Octopus 23:07 kaeza hi Muadtralk 23:09 kaeza http://sphotos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/399354_369550616472684_634938890_n.jpg 23:12 Octupus hi kaeza 23:19 Octupus hi dogzilla131 23:19 Dogzilla131 hi octu 23:20 Octupus i saw your mod 23:20 Octupus more flags right 23:20 Octupus it is very nice :) 23:21 babyface1031 hi Octupus Dogzilla131 23:21 Dogzilla131 thanks :) 23:21 Octupus hi babyface1031 23:21 Dogzilla131 ho babyface 23:21 Dogzilla131 hi 23:21 Dogzilla131 misspelled 23:21 kaeza hey dog have you addes any flags? 23:21 kaeza added* 23:21 Dogzilla131 nope 23:22 Dogzilla131 dont have ideas of flags, somebody got some flags that they want me to add 23:23 jin_xi hm, so i have some mod ideas, wanna hear? 23:24 kaeza jin_xi: yes 23:24 kaeza what? 23:24 jin_xi first one is simple: /facepalm chatcommand and animation 23:25 jin_xi next: /whisper chatcommand, only players in radius 5 can see (hear) it 23:26 kaeza lol 23:27 kaeza Friend: "Hey bud! look at my awesome castle!" Me: (looking at 5x5 wood house) /facepalm 23:27 Uberi hey 5x5 wood houses are awesome 23:28 kaeza look @ this http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3475 23:29 kaeza it uses only 3dforniture 23:29 kaeza other than that, it's just vanilla minetest 23:30 jin_xi boats are much needed 23:30 kaeza +1 23:31 Uberi I agree 23:31 jin_xi i keep thinking of making some sort of jum and run games mashup in mt 23:31 kaeza a multinode/entity boat would be good 23:31 jin_xi jump 23:31 kaeza a-la mario? 23:31 jin_xi yup 23:32 jin_xi fuckin' hell my laptop is broken :( 23:32 kaeza that would be good to see 23:32 kaeza wut? 23:32 jin_xi screen flickers all the time 23:32 kaeza wb octo 23:32 kaeza flickers? 23:33 kaeza is the OS screen flickering or minetest? 23:33 jin_xi jep, bad video signal connection 23:33 jin_xi hardware 23:33 kaeza oh 23:34 jin_xi i should totally make a ? block, that spawns coins when you jump under id 23:34 jin_xi then you can use said coins to play on arcade machine ;) 23:34 VanessaE back, 23:34 kaeza that has been discussed in the forums IIRC 23:34 kaeza wb V 23:34 VanessaE jin_xi: +10000 23:34 VanessaE :-) 23:34 Uberi hey VanessaE 23:35 VanessaE two pieces of pie (one beef, one apple) down the hatch and I'm good :-) 23:35 kaeza don't have the link to the topic handy though 23:36 kaeza beef pie? O_o 23:36 VanessaE arcade mod: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=52015#p52015 23:36 kaeza oh nevermind 23:36 VanessaE kaeza: beef "pot pie" 23:36 jin_xi uhm, i know, i made it :) 23:36 VanessaE jin_xi: I know that. :-) 23:36 VanessaE kaeza didn't have the URL to it. I obliged :- 23:36 VanessaE :-) 23:38 kaeza k :) 23:38 VanessaE jin_xi: want a custom skin in the server? 23:40 kaeza oh and BTW jin_xi, can I propose this: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=53027#p53027 23:40 jin_xi well, i kinda like the arcade machine RBA did ;) 23:41 jin_xi and i hope for some sort of computertest mod someday 23:41 Uberi hahaha that is incredibly clever 23:41 jin_xi then your node would fit better 23:41 jin_xi but yeah, go for it, its gpl licensed 23:42 jin_xi or make your own game: 23:42 jin_xi 12 levels of minesweeper, suddenly BSOD 23:42 jin_xi to fit the theme 23:42 kaeza lol 23:42 jin_xi Vanessa: what about a skin chooser mod? 23:43 * kaeza is going to steal the idea of a minesweeper: the MinetestSweeper 23:43 jin_xi a node that opens some ui so players can choose from a set of available skins 23:43 VanessaE that might be nice 23:43 VanessaE have it search the usual minecraft sites for now until a minetest skin repository can be added 23:44 kaeza but can the ui be done in the current version? 23:44 jin_xi idk, just have some default skins per server 23:44 Uberi how do we host the skin repo? 23:44 jin_xi keep it simple :) 23:44 Uberi site hosted by c55? 23:44 jin_xi later on, do mt gravatar... 23:44 Uberi third party service? 23:44 VanessaE well, right now it requires a server restart for a new skin to take effect, 23:44 kaeza jin_xi: +1 23:44 Uberi github repo? :P 23:44 VanessaE so this is probably not doable in Lua yet without a code tweak. 23:45 kaeza maybe code some kind of frontend for minetest? 23:45 jin_xi well, if all the skins are present at server startup, cant they be changed? 23:45 VanessaE nope. 23:45 VanessaE I tried. 23:45 jin_xi ok 23:45 VanessaE even if you replace a file with a new one, the user can't just log out/in. 23:45 VanessaE the server caches the image or something I guess. 23:46 jin_xi but did you try without changing any files, but having multiple there from the start? 23:46 VanessaE if no image exists and you put one in without a restart, the player will sign in with random colors and you get an error, all very much like when you define a node but forget to copy its textures in. 23:46 VanessaE (unable to load file such-and-such, creating dummy image) 23:47 kaeza hmm 23:52 kaeza take a look at this: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/screenshot_1058897008.png 23:56 kaeza it's 100% natural 23:57 VanessaE weird 23:57 VanessaE I've only seen sand do that with worldedit //set air or similar 23:58 Muadtralk ive seen it on old maps 23:58 kaeza pos is (7,7,51) seed: 3588888916236329615 23:59 kaeza it's on a world created on the brand-new 0.4.4 23:59 ecube what?