IRC log for #minetest, 2012-11-21

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00:50	Kacey	hello
00:51	Kacey	im trying to think of a good mod to make
00:52	telek	What feature has been annoying you that minetest doesn't have?
00:53	Kacey	freecam view
00:53	telek	That may require in-client software modifications.
00:54	Kacey	not reaally just some evolution of minetest
00:55	* telek	shrugs and dunnos then.
00:56	Kacey	hmmmmm what does everyone want from a mod?
00:57	Kacey	how about a crafting recipe for mese?
00:58	Kacey	or nyan cat and the rainbow?
00:59	marktraceur	Kacey: Try to think of something that will add to the gameplay, then come up with the ingredients later
00:59	Kacey	but i am too lazy to go and try to find mese and nyancat so a crafting would be really good
01:00	marktraceur	Kacey: Yes, but mese and nyancat are part of the tech tree. You aren't furthering the gameplay, you're shortening it.
01:01	Kacey	im thinking 9 mese to make a nyan cat and one nyan cat to make a rainbow
01:01	Kacey	but how to make mese?
01:01	NakedFury	when you play what do you miss from other games or want in the game? think of stuff that can be done with lua not c++
01:02	Kacey	a crafting recipe for the rare blocks
01:02	NakedFury	that would make them common
01:03	Kacey	not really
01:04	Kacey	i am going to use some of the partially rare (like steel blocks and stone) to make the mese
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01:08	Kacey	writing the mod for mese crafting
01:11	Kacey	looking good
01:14	Kacey	k written
01:15	Kacey	testing
01:17	Kacey	ok error failed to load and run the init.lua
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01:19	Kacey	how do i fix this?
01:21	Kacey	any expierienced modders know?
01:21	marktraceur	Kacey: Pastebin the entire output, please.
01:21	Kacey	just a crafting recipe
01:21	Kacey	for mese
01:22	Kacey	fixed it
01:24	marktraceur	Kacey: In the future, that message means there's an error, but it's not the actual error.
01:24	Kacey	lol i fixed it anyway
01:24	marktraceur	Kacey: You need to look at the debug output, and pastebin the entire error, as well as the code (ideally) in order for us to help
01:25	Kacey	i got it
01:26	Kacey	ha oops
01:27	Kacey	k it works
01:29	Kacey	OldCoder i am writing a mod
01:31	Kacey	ok how do i do a shapless recipe?
01:32	Kacey	nm got it
01:48	NakedFury	making rules for the server is hard work
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02:04	OldCoder	Hey
02:11	* telek	waves.
02:12	telek	Night!
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02:30	Scriminamp	hello
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02:44	OldCoder	mauvebic, Hi
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02:52	Kacey	hello
02:53	Kacey	i wrote my first mod
02:55	Kacey	anyone online?
02:56	* Kacey	hugs VanessaE with a rather large squid
02:59	Kacey	nobody...
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03:40	Doc22	hey NakedFury, I see you are the maker of DokuPack... Would you make your pack compatible with my campfire mod?
03:40	Doc22	http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3794
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03:41	Doc22_	There...
03:41	Doc22_	stupid shutdown
04:17	marktraceur	Hrm. What does the channel think might be a good way to search for a craft result? I'm thinking of offering registration of specific craft recipes in a mod.
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08:10	paranoiks	hi all
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10:00	KikaRz	Hi there
10:00	KikaRz	good morning
10:00	KikaRz	some one there?
10:02	thexyz	no
10:04	KikaRz	well
10:04	KikaRz	im in a school computer
10:04	KikaRz	telek, are oyu there ?
10:05	KikaRz	*you
10:06	thexyz	just ask what you need
10:06	thexyz	there's no point in asking whether someone here or not
10:07	KikaRz	I'm chatting
10:08	KikaRz	i dont need anythng
10:15	KikaRz	well
10:15	KikaRz	telek, why you did that hole into the tower?
10:15	KikaRz	well, that one with some stairs
10:15	KikaRz	you or USA
10:16	KikaRz	in 3 hours, ill be here again
10:16	KikaRz	kisses
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14:15	RealBadAngel	hi all
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14:35	KikaRz	Hi there! :D
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14:41	RealBadAngel	hi
14:41	FreeFull	Hi
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14:50	OldCoder	Good morning
14:59	redcrab	Hi there ...
15:01	redcrab	I 've got an issue with minetestmapper.py ... so an python dev friend may help me .... during map generation it fails with this trace :
15:01	redcrab	Processing sector 27600 of 27929 (98.8%) (ETA: 0m 34s)
15:01	redcrab	Processing sector 27800 of 27929 (99.5%) (ETA: 0m 13s)
15:01	redcrab	Drawing image
15:01	redcrab	Traceback (most recent call last):
15:01	redcrab	File "./minetestmapper.py", line 695, in <module>
15:01	redcrab	impix[x - minx * 16 + border, h - 1 - (z - minz * 16) + border] = (r, g, b)
15:01	redcrab	TypeError: an integer is required
15:01	redcrab	Any idea ?
15:05	KikaRz	back
15:05	KikaRz	redcrab
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15:05	KikaRz	i can recover my pass? :/
15:05	KikaRz	i forgot my redcrab password
15:06	FreeFull	redcrab: Maybe you have the wrong version of python
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15:14	redcrab	KikaRz : please post on forum your issue ... please precise on witch server do you play ... Mt 0.3.1 port 30001, or Mt 0.4 port 30000  or Mt 0.4.3 port 30401 or Mt 0.4.3 port 30402 ... currently you do not exist on 30401...
15:15	redcrab	FreeFull : currently I use Python 2.6.8 ... how to know if it is correct ?
15:16	KikaRz	0.4 i guess
15:16	KikaRz	yep
15:16	KikaRz	it is
15:16	KikaRz	i was there
15:16	KikaRz	at 5 months that i forgot my password
15:16	KikaRz	or less.
15:16	redcrab	KikaRz : wich port ?
15:17	KikaRz	30000 i guess
15:17	KikaRz	try to find in 0.4
15:17	redcrab	on wich port do you do your login attempt ?
15:18	KikaRz	30000
15:18	redcrab	what Minetest version do you use ,n
15:18	redcrab	?
15:22	KikaRz	well
15:22	KikaRz	im going to install 0.4.1 again
15:22	KikaRz	because my house is there
15:22	KikaRz	i got 0.4.3 now
15:22	KikaRz	but i was liking 0.4.1
15:22	KikaRz	:8
15:22	KikaRz	:(
15:22	KikaRz	well, i need to go
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15:22	KikaRz	in few minutes ill come back
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15:23	KikaRz	redcrab, idk if my nick in there is this
15:23	KikaRz	or if its DracoPT
15:23	KikaRz	or something
15:23	KikaRz	well, later we'll try again
15:23	KikaRz	kisses
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15:24	redcrab	KikaRz your password is reset now.
15:25	redcrab	KikaRz-AwayChess : your password is reset now
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15:32	PilzAdam	Hello everyone!
15:33	Doc22	hey
15:33	Doc22	NekoGloop
15:34	Doc22	how do you make talinite pick
15:34	Doc22	I have steel sticks and talinite block
15:34	NekoGloop	Ask octu
15:34	Doc22	ok
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15:44	Matsetes	Hello
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16:22	Jordach	OldCoder SEE PM
16:22	OldCoder	Hey
16:24	Calinou	yey, in 24 hours I went from 151 comment karma to 130 comment karma
16:24	Calinou	did the best comment ever
16:24	Calinou	-17 points
16:24	Calinou	</reddit>
16:26	Calinou	I HAVE BEEN UPVOTED!!oneone1
16:26	Calinou	-16 now
16:26	* Jordach	makes 1900 diff. reddit accounds
16:26	Jordach	accounts
16:26	Jordach	upvotes Calinou 1900 times
16:26	Calinou	do it :D
16:30	VanessaE	good day all.
16:30	* VanessaE	wanders in, rubs eyes, flops down on an empty spot on the channel sofa.
16:31	PilzAdam	hi VanessaE
16:31	VanessaE	hey hey
16:31	PilzAdam	should we talk about junglegrass?
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16:32	VanessaE	no :-)
16:32	Calinou	hi
16:32	VanessaE	you forget, my junglegrass is perlin noise based.  Don't want it growing in your house?  Don't build a house in a patch of jungle grass, or use something besides a dirt or sand floor :-)
16:32	KikaRz	Hi there :D
16:33	KikaRz	thank  you redcrab: )
16:33	KikaRz	redcrab, did the world reseted? (0.4.1) ?
16:33	KikaRz	or its the same ever?
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16:33	Doc22	heya
16:33	PilzAdam	VanessaE, spawning junglegrass in mapgen is the "default" way, so it should be in the default game; growing junglegrass should be an additional mod
16:33	KikaRz	Welcome
16:33	Doc22	thanks
16:34	KikaRz	my head hurts
16:34	Doc22	lol
16:34	Doc22	drink water
16:34	VanessaE	PilzAdam: the problem is how to synchronize the growing code against the proposed mapgen-based code.
16:35	VanessaE	and if you're gonna mapgen the jungle grass, then put jungle trees back in.
16:35	VanessaE	but those HAVE to be done in C++ or they'll be too damn slow (sorry to bas080, it's the truth)
16:36	NekoGloop	I made it so you have to craft a jungle sapling
16:36	VanessaE	PilzAdam: I don't want to create two separate junglegrass distributions - wherever the mapgen puts it, I need to adjust my perlin seed to grow there also.
16:36	NekoGloop	VanessaE: See: Dry grass.
16:37	NekoGloop	s/grass/shrubs/
16:37	VanessaE	NekoGloop: note that my junglegrass mod creates dry shrubs :-)
16:37	NekoGloop	VanessaE: Note that the mapgen.lua of default makes dry shrubs on mapgen.
16:37	VanessaE	yep I know.
16:37	VanessaE	just pointing it out
16:38	Doc22	id like to report a bug
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16:38	NekoGloop	Then do so
16:38	Doc22	when someone destroys a locked sign that isnt theirs
16:38	Doc22	the server shuts down
16:38	babyface1031	whats the bug dic
16:38	VanessaE	my mod is 100000x better than the proposed mapgen version :-)
16:38	VanessaE	sorry PilzAdam  :-)
16:38	Doc22	and babyface its Doc not dic...
16:38	Doc22	lol
16:38	NekoGloop	+k
16:38	NekoGloop	+k
16:38	babyface1031	sorry missed typed
16:39	Doc22	ok
16:39	babyface1031	i and o are right next to each other sorry
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16:58	KikaRz	Welcome Back Celeron
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17:16	marktraceur	KikaRz: How's your mod coming?
17:16	KikaRz	soon :)
17:16	KikaRz	but not too much
17:16	KikaRz	just more blocks
17:16	KikaRz	and a...
17:16	KikaRz	well
17:16	KikaRz	i cant tell this
17:16	KikaRz	its secret
17:20	marktraceur	KikaRz: Hopefully it won't be for long!
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17:21	KikaRz	well
17:21	KikaRz	it can be for long.
17:23	marktraceur	KikaRz: How do you mean?
17:24	marktraceur	Also, /me apologizes to those who can't download via git, but the industry modpack isn't ready for public release (read: people who can't install git) until probably tomorrow.
17:25	* Calinou	segfaulted when he joined gameboom
17:25	KikaRz	hey
17:25	Calinou	marktraceur: (read: people who use windows)
17:25	KikaRz	i can download it? *-*
17:25	Calinou	FTFY
17:25	Calinou	also, you can download a .tar.gz from gitorious (if you're using gitorious) or github
17:25	Calinou	the feature is quite hidden
17:25	marktraceur	Calinou: Windows users have many awesome options for installing git
17:26	marktraceur	Calinou: Actually no :P
17:26	KikaRz	i can download it?
17:26	marktraceur	Calinou: I'm using git submodules to distribute, .tar.gz will give them useless empty directories
17:26	Calinou	github on windows == terrible, cygwin = too hard to use for average windows user
17:26	Calinou	ah
17:26	marktraceur	Calinou: I'll be making a distribution tarball as soon as I can, but right now is not the time....I want factories before distributing it in tarball form.
17:27	KikaRz	CAN I DOWNLOAD IT?
17:27	KikaRz	omg
17:28	KikaRz	nobody hear me :(
17:29	marktraceur	KikaRz: YES.
17:29	Calinou	KikaRz: why can't you download via git? you said you are on linux
17:29	VanessaE	wonder how long before that gets pushed to upstream
17:30	marktraceur	KikaRz: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3804
17:30	Jordach	VanessaE - i give you two weeks
17:30	Calinou	VanessaE: it'll be pushed on 2012-12-21
17:30	VanessaE	HQ!
17:30	VanessaE	HA!
17:30	marktraceur	Yay, solstice!
17:30	KikaRz	calinou
17:32	KikaRz	i got 2 systems
17:32	KikaRz	but i cant play minetest in linux
17:32	VanessaE	why?
17:32	KikaRz	well, marktraceur, ill try to get cygwin working by myself :P
17:32	KikaRz	VanessaE, my graphics card is not too good
17:33	marktraceur	KikaRz: My friends often suggest 'git bash', not cygwin
17:33	KikaRz	git bash is for windows?
17:33	VanessaE	KikaRz: I've played it on a 1.6GHz laptop with Mobility Radeon 9600 (with Gallium3d driver) and it's playable there.
17:33	KikaRz	VanessaE
17:33	VanessaE	(circa 2005 I think)
17:33	KikaRz	I've already compiled it there
17:33	KikaRz	and my graphics card is not that
17:33	KikaRz	its a NViDia GeForce 2 MX/MX 400
17:33	KikaRz	too stupid.
17:33	KikaRz	And laggy in OpenGL (Linux)
17:34	marktraceur	KikaRz: Generally, http://openhatch.org/missions/git
17:34	Calinou	marktraceur: canhttp://ompldr.org/vZ2U4eQ/industry-modpack.zip
17:34	VanessaE	an MX400 is slow but it should still be playable as long as you're using the binary nVidia legacy driver
17:34	Calinou	marktraceur: this?
17:34	Calinou	packaged the whole thing 8)
17:34	marktraceur	Calinou: Cheers, thanks, maybe post it on the forum, but I'm standing by my not-ready-for-release statement
17:34	Calinou	k
17:35	VanessaE	Calinou: nVidia 99, AMD 3. :-)
17:35	Calinou	AMD -3 you mean
17:36	VanessaE	heh
17:36	* VanessaE	randomly pokes sfan5.
17:36	* sfan5	randomly pokes back to VanessaE
17:37	VanessaE	:D
17:37	marktraceur	VanessaE: Oh, come on, that was totally the opposite of random! /me throws hands up in frustration at the lack of language boundaries
17:37	VanessaE	marktraceur: you forgot about the concept of local non-randomness :D
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17:55	KikaRz	calinou
17:55	KikaRz	i shall use that link? :p
17:55	* VanessaE	pokes at PilzAdam for signs of life
17:56	* PilzAdam	is testing some buggy pull requests
17:56	VanessaE	PilzAdam: read your messages :-)
17:56	PilzAdam	I am
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18:03	Kacey	hello
18:05	babyface1031	hi
18:05	Kacey	i wrote a mod
18:06	Kacey	i am writing another now
18:06	* Kacey	slaps OldCoder with a rainbow trout
18:07	Kacey	haha i found the slap button
18:09	marktraceur	Kacey: Hey, FYI, you should ask questions instead of asking if people are around to answer questions
18:09	marktraceur	Kacey: It makes it easier for us to answer quickly :)
18:09	Kacey	ooh ok
18:09	Kacey	i am writing a new mod :-d
18:10	Calinou	KikaRz: yes, you can
18:10	marktraceur	Kacey: Also, staying online for at least an hour after asking is a good idea, people may be (probably are) doing other things that aren't IRC, especially in this channel :)
18:10	KikaRz	what it got ?
18:10	marktraceur	Kacey: Did you have a question about it?
18:10	KikaRz	things for technic?
18:10	* KikaRz	slaps Kacey with a fake Nyan Cat's Rainbow.
18:10	KikaRz	i found a special button!
18:10	Kacey	no i just wanted to tell you guys and it is an independant mod
18:11	marktraceur	Kacey: It would be cool to see! Where is it?
18:11	Kacey	havent finished yet
18:11	marktraceur	Kacey: K, well, we're excited to see it. Keep it up :)
18:11	Kacey	it adds a weegee block that lights up really bright
18:13	Calinou	you're the 50001st person to make a mod that add a random block that makes light
18:13	Calinou	:D
18:13	Kacey	really bright light though
18:15	Calinou	really bright, you mean like lava? :|
18:15	Calinou	that's the brightest you can do
18:15	Kacey	brighter
18:15	marktraceur	Calinou: Clearly there's some magic involved
18:15	Kacey	i can find the loophole for it
18:15	marktraceur	Kacey: There's a set scale for brightness, there's no way around that.
18:15	Calinou	you'd have to make a TERRIBLE AND SLOW hack to make something "brighter" (larger light radius)
18:16	Kacey	ooh ok i guess the brightest it can go
18:16	Calinou	lava brightness is the brightest possible..
18:16	Kacey	ok
18:17	Calinou	so you've made a lava block that doesn't hurt, is solid and has a different texture, nothing more :D
18:17	marktraceur	Kacey: Actually, you could register a new node that's like "air_lit" and on_place you can replace immediate neighbors that are air with air_lit, then you'd have a slightly bigger radius
18:17	Kacey	almost it also has a crafting
18:17	Calinou	marktraceur: that was my terrible and slow hack
18:17	marktraceur	Calinou: Well yeah, but it might be an interesting problem for Kacey to solve, at least :)
18:18	Kacey	what is the brightness for lava?
18:18	marktraceur	Kacey: 16 or so
18:18	Calinou	marktraceur: what if you build nodes in the air_lit nodes then remove these nodes?
18:18	Calinou	they should go back automagically, don't forget :P
18:18	Calinou	what about lava/water flowing into those? you'll have to make liquids destroy your node temporarily
18:18	Kacey	hmm i guess ill check the init of default
18:19	marktraceur	Calinou: on_dig should be able to deal with that....find immediate neighbors, if they've been set as air_lit and aren't immediate neighbors with another of your magic blocks, then set it back to air
18:20	marktraceur	Calinou: And making sure air_lit is the same as air should be enough for flowing stuff and replacing stuff....is_buildable_to, I think, is the flag
18:22	KikaRz	Noupe.
18:22	KikaRz	6000.
18:23	KikaRz	Why celeron55 dont does a brightness adjuster, a FOV adjuster, chat adjuster etc?
18:23	KikaRz	like, changing chat from the top left of the window
18:23	KikaRz	to the left bottom
18:24	KikaRz	Kacey mod will bug 100% :P
18:24	KikaRz	like: COOL... I CANT SEE ANYTHING
18:24	Kacey	no im using lava light
18:24	KikaRz	ok.
18:24	KikaRz	so, you're not going to get more brighter than lava.
18:24	KikaRz	liar :c
18:25	Kacey	i found out that i cant
18:25	marktraceur	john_minetest: /time 5800 puts you right after sunrise, so you have more daylight
18:26	KikaRz	FOUND GIT FOR WINDOWS
18:26	KikaRz	http://blog.dmatoso.com/2011/09/git-no-windows-github/
18:26	KikaRz	yea
18:26	KikaRz	i said that :c
18:27	marktraceur	Portugues?
18:27	KikaRz	Yep
18:28	KikaRz	Portuguese.
18:28	Kacey	bbl k?
18:28	KikaRz	Português in Portuguese Language.
18:28	KikaRz	'-'
18:28	KikaRz	http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3617 -- THIS MOD IS EPIC
18:30	marktraceur	Just....not sure how epic a keypad can be
18:30	marktraceur	Cool? Sure. Useful? Yup. Epic? Maybe not.
18:30	OldCoder	Hi
18:30	OldCoder	Shutting down world 30004 Octuteam to check the logs
18:31	OldCoder	It is now eating about 70% of my CPU
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18:31	OldCoder	Possibly another machine or another problem
18:31	Calinou	KikaRz: github's "Git for Windows" is terrible
18:31	OldCoder	Need to check into the issue
18:31	Calinou	git with a windows 8 UI... ugly
18:31	Calinou	:D
18:31	OldCoder	babyface1031, see the note above
18:31	KikaRz	I hate Win8.
18:31	KikaRz	sucks.
18:31	babyface1031	ok
18:32	KikaRz	OldCoder, when will you convert that aprimorated good client to Direct3D?
18:32	KikaRz	that one that i can use to your server
18:32	KikaRz	and dont works
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18:32	OldCoder	KikaRz, Where did we leave that?
18:32	Calinou	virtualbox + some linux distro works, yeah
18:32	OldCoder	I don't do much with Windows
18:32	Calinou	you need a fairly good cpu though and at least 2gb ram
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18:32	OldCoder	babyface1031, Was somebody attempting a large WorldEdit?
18:32	KikaRz	Name of it:
18:32	Calinou	KikaRz: direct3d sucks.
18:32	Calinou	use opengl
18:33	KikaRz	Fuck that
18:33	Calinou	why
18:33	OldCoder	babyface1031, CPU was at 65% to 70%
18:33	KikaRz	Give me a Graphics card.
18:33	Calinou	any recent GPU supports opengl well, even the intel ones
18:33	Calinou	(recent: 2006+)
18:33	babyface1031	i havent been on since we last talked
18:33	Calinou	can't buy better hardware? save money: quit smoking, quit drinking, don't buy useless phones/tablets..
18:34	KikaRz	I dont smoke
18:34	KikaRz	I dont drink
18:34	KikaRz	i dont have any phone
18:34	KikaRz	just this stupid computer
18:34	KikaRz	that serves me to play what i can.
18:34	KikaRz	OldCoder, Codename: minetest-121020
18:35	babyface1031	i saw the logs that is around dogzilla house i think
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18:36	KikaRz	mr PilzAdam
18:37	KikaRz	this mod https://github.com/PilzAdam/3d_player supports Minecraft Skins ? (my old skin is in here/my computer)
18:37	PilzAdam	no
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18:37	KikaRz	Waaai???
18:37	KikaRz	:(
18:37	Penguin	hiya
18:37	OldCoder	Penguin, Hello
18:38	Penguin	Is Server Down
18:38	babyface1031	hi Penguin
18:38	babyface1031	yes
18:38	Penguin	Why ?
18:38	OldCoder	babyface1031, Penguin: To explain:
18:39	Penguin	Have I Done Somethin
18:39	OldCoder	World 30004 went to about 70% CPU just now. Nearly took down my VPS. I need to review the logs to find out if there is another machine or some damage.
18:39	babyface1031	@Oldcoder has to look at the logs the cpu shot up on 3000
18:39	Penguin	?
18:39	OldCoder	Penguin, babyface1031 I am on the phone for a business call. I'll fix it when I'm off.
18:39	babyface1031	it might be another machine he has to look
18:39	babyface1031	ok thats fine
18:39	OldCoder	CPU usage went to the top
18:39	Penguin	Any Other Server For Yours
18:40	Penguin	?
18:40	OldCoder	Penguin, ?
18:40	OldCoder	Penguin, can you explain the question?
18:40	Penguin	whats the new server called
18:40	OldCoder	Penguin I do not understand
18:40	babyface1031	i think he wants to know if all your severs are down
18:40	Penguin	i mean the newist server whats the port
18:41	marktraceur	Penguin: "I" "newest" "what's"
18:41	babyface1031	i think it is 30015 but i could be wrong
18:41	Penguin	30012
18:42	OldCoder	Ah
18:42	OldCoder	Wait
18:42	OldCoder	Zegaton is at 30015
18:42	Penguin	tanker has a machien in his castle
18:42	OldCoder	In 30004?
18:42	OldCoder	Yes
18:42	babyface1031	again i took it out
18:43	OldCoder	I will do a clearblocks on 30004 now
18:43	Penguin	oh
18:43	Penguin	i dident no u did
18:43	marktraceur	Penguin: "I" "didn't" "know" "you"
18:44	babyface1031	i never got a chance to look at 2or 3 areas
18:44	Penguin	Urg i hat been ing diclexic
18:45	VanessaE	Penguin: "argh", "I", "hate", being", "dyslexic"
18:45	marktraceur	john_minetest: I can't quite make it out, but if you're saying that people who misspell things frequently are impotent, you're absolutely correct.
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18:45	Kacey	IT WORKS!!!!! now to add light
18:45	marktraceur	Kacey: I thought the whole purpose of it was to add light? How can you say it works if there's no light?
18:46	Kacey	it made the node
18:46	marktraceur	Oh, cool.
18:46	Kacey	calinou do you know how to add light?
18:46	Penguin	stop corecting me its not my fault
18:46	hmmmm	Tell your mom
18:46	hmmmm	Tell your dad
18:46	hmmmm	we were super rad
18:47	marktraceur	Penguin: Ta, we'll stop
18:47	Penguin	thanks
18:47	Penguin	i get anoyed becuse its not my fault
18:47	VanessaE	you can blame them for not getting a good IRC client that'll warn them of bad spelling.
18:48	Penguin	i am not blameing them ?
18:48	VanessaE	and which provides not only those warnings, but also a right-click menu offering spelling suggestions.
18:48	VanessaE	(like Xchat, probably others too)
18:48	Kacey	what is the line to add light to a node?
18:48	Penguin	idk
18:49	Jordach	light_source = 1-14
18:49	Kacey	ok
18:49	Jordach	with a semicolon as well
18:49	Kacey	which line does that go in?
18:49	VanessaE	john_minetest:  yeah, right-click a misspelled word.
18:49	VanessaE	Jordach: semicolon???  comma you mean :-)
18:49	VanessaE	this is Lua, not C. :-)
18:49	* Jordach	learns c++
18:50	Kacey	ok maybe this will work
18:51	Kacey	that is not very bright...
18:52	Penguin	change the number
18:52	Kacey	i put 14
18:52	Penguin	oh
18:52	Kacey	ok LIGHT_MAX might work
18:52	VanessaE	14 is the max, but you should use LIGHT_MAX minus some value
18:52	VanessaE	in case c55 ever increases the range of that field
18:52	Kacey	?
18:52	Penguin	kacey what are you doing
18:53	Kacey	writing a mod
18:53	Penguin	what mod
18:53	Kacey	weegee
18:53	Penguin	_
18:53	Penguin	-_-
18:53	Kacey	yep
18:53	Kacey	just for practice
18:53	Kacey	want me to upload it?
18:54	Penguin	what mod ?
18:54	Kacey	weegee
18:54	Penguin	whats that
18:54	Kacey	it adds a weegee block
18:54	Penguin	weegee whats that
18:55	Kacey	look it up
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18:55	KikaRz-Dinner	lol
18:56	KikaRz-Dinner	"are" "u" "mad" "or" "dislexic" "look" "trying" "you" ?
18:56	KikaRz	hmmmm, are you from France?
18:56	KikaRz	Europe ALEEE D:
18:56	KikaRz	:D
18:56	hmmmm	no
18:56	VanessaE	hah, self-correction FAIL :-)
18:57	KikaRz	hmmmm, look what server are you connected
18:57	KikaRz	[18:56] ==  server   : pratchett.freenode.net [Rennes, France]
18:57	VanessaE	"dislexic" -> "dyslexic"
18:57	KikaRz	"problem" "no" :)
18:57	hmmmm	mmm yea
18:57	Kacey	making a github for it
18:57	VanessaE	What, reverse Polish notation now? :-)
18:57	KikaRz	for what?
18:57	KikaRz	:)
18:57	hmmmm	i guess that's just what xchat chose this time
18:57	Penguin	Wow Stop
18:58	KikaRz	Penguin, you are.
18:58	KikaRz	omg, censurating...
18:58	KikaRz	Penguin, you are.
18:58	Penguin	what
18:58	KikaRz	Penguin, you are cuteeee...-eeeeeeeeey
18:58	Penguin	No?
18:58	marktraceur	OK, Kacey, that's a ridiculous idea for a mod. (I just looked up "weegee")
18:59	VanessaE	what the hell is a weegee?
18:59	Kacey	lol
18:59	VanessaE	is that a tiny wedgie?
18:59	marktraceur	VanessaE: A meme, featuring ironic placement of Luigi from Mario Bros.
18:59	* Kacey	is confused
18:59	VanessaE	ohh brother.
18:59	Penguin	weegee board?
18:59	Kacey	how do i make a repositorie?
18:59	marktraceur	Penguin: That's spelled "Ouija", actually.
18:59	VanessaE	Penguin: no, that's Ouija. :-)
18:59	KikaRz	Well
18:59	KikaRz	my new mod its a bit...
18:59	KikaRz	secret *-*
19:00	KikaRz	reason: Itll have new blocks, GLOWSTONE!, new torches (if i can) and etc :)
19:00	Penguin	Glowston all redy made
19:01	KikaRz	diferent one
19:01	Penguin	*Ready
19:01	KikaRz	not yellow
19:01	KikaRz	red.
19:01	KikaRz	i didnt said that is yellow
19:01	VanessaE	already done, KikaRz .
19:01	KikaRz	xd
19:01	Penguin	*Glowstone
19:01	KikaRz	Nope
19:01	KikaRz	Red isnt
19:01	VanessaE	Mesecons, Bobblocks both have red glow stones.
19:01	KikaRz	...
19:01	VanessaE	there are others also.
19:01	marktraceur	KikaRz: Oh, it's red, that's TOTALLY DIFFERENT
19:01	Kacey	i need to know how to set up a github repo
19:01	KikaRz	stupid .
19:01	KikaRz	hate this.
19:02	KikaRz	github.com ?
19:02	Kacey	yes
19:02	VanessaE	in fact bobblocks pretty much killed off the idea of needing more generic glowstones, as it has the whole ROYGBIV palette plus white and grey :-)
19:02	VanessaE	john_minetest: and the lighting section of Home Decor
19:02	KikaRz	fuck this :'(
19:02	VanessaE	(white and yellow there)
19:03	VanessaE	KikaRz: you just need to do something that hasn't already been done
19:03	KikaRz	LIKE WHAT? A MEME?...
19:03	KikaRz	Oh...
19:03	KikaRz	thats it...
19:03	KikaRz	im going to make memes.
19:03	Kacey	had no inspiration...
19:03	KikaRz	meme blocks.
19:03	Penguin	beer
19:03	VanessaE	KikaRz: revitalize the old Minetest Trollpack textures ;)
19:03	KikaRz	omg
19:03	VanessaE	http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=1353
19:03	Penguin	SLENDER
19:04	KikaRz	IF I THINK IN SOMETHING, THERE IS ALREADY.
19:04	Kacey	YES SLENDER!!!!
19:04	VanessaE	KikaRz: then think of something else ;)
19:04	KikaRz	i wanted to make new things for Technic
19:04	KikaRz	but i dont know much of programating in LUA
19:04	KikaRz	Lua means Moon in Portuguese...
19:04	Kacey	me neither
19:04	KikaRz	that's stupid.
19:04	KikaRz	xd
19:04	VanessaE	we know.  it's named for that deliberately.
19:05	Penguin	SLENDEr
19:05	VanessaE	(Luna = moon in English)
19:05	Kacey	YES SLENDER!!!!
19:05	KikaRz	Lua its in Portuguese.
19:05	KikaRz	Yep
19:05	KikaRz	Im going to do of Slender...
19:05	KikaRz	i need to make the pages
19:05	KikaRz	the messages
19:05	KikaRz	the slender skin
19:05	KikaRz	x_x'
19:05	KikaRz	everything
19:05	KikaRz	how to make a NPC...
19:07	marktraceur	KikaRz: There are plenty of nodes that you could add that aren't complicated and would add to the gameplay.
19:07	marktraceur	KikaRz: Just keep thinking, play the game some, and if you even have a fleeting moment of "gee, I wish there was X", make X.
19:07	KikaRz	ok
19:07	KikaRz	remaking the meme's pack.
19:07	Kacey	weegee block
19:08	* marktraceur	did that, came up with like 7 or 8 mods so far, with at least 2 more coming over the next two days
19:08	KikaRz	nope
19:08	KikaRz	Meme's
19:08	KikaRz	that old meme's pack sucks
19:08	Kacey	can anyone upload my file for me?
19:08	Penguin	Message board
19:09	Kacey	yep
19:09	KikaRz	hey
19:09	KikaRz	why they dont change the template of this
19:09	KikaRz	http://minetest.com/
19:09	KikaRz	to a modern one?
19:09	KikaRz	idk who is the owner...
19:09	Calinou	minetest.com is old and outdated :|
19:09	Calinou	saxony
19:09	Calinou	he's sometimes on irc
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19:09	Calinou	marktraceur: X is already made, and is slow, use wayland!
19:09	Kacey	i want to readd oerkkis
19:10	VanessaE	Kacey: just go to ompldr or something
19:10	Kacey	ooh ok
19:10	VanessaE	upload it there, link to it in a new post.
19:10	VanessaE	hm, lagged out for a moment there.
19:10	Kacey	k
19:10	Calinou	wiki isn't
19:10	Kacey	but i cannot create a new post in mod realeses
19:10	Calinou	heh, it's more up to date because everyone can edit it
19:10	Calinou	Kacey: post in modding general
19:10	Kacey	ooh ok
19:11	Calinou	note that you need to add a license so that the mod can be moved in mod releases
19:11	Calinou	(if you don't care about what people can do with your mod, use the WTFPL)
19:11	Kacey	how do i add a license
19:12	Calinou	just say that the mod is under "that" license
19:12	Kacey	ooh ok
19:14	KikaRz	taking a look in Modding General
19:14	Kacey	posting in a couple minutes
19:15	KikaRz	if it sucks, ill not comment :c
19:15	Kacey	lol it is just one block right no but it is a test of a mod
19:18	KikaRz	lol-
19:18	KikaRz	Hey
19:18	KikaRz	VanessaE
19:18	Kacey	what is the format of the topic for mods?
19:18	KikaRz	how i do passive mobs in lua?
19:18	KikaRz	i want to make cats and dogs
19:18	KikaRz	and birds
19:18	KikaRz	(birds wont fly :()
19:19	Penguin	Broken its wing?
19:19	VanessaE	KikaRz: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2828
19:19	VanessaE	oops
19:19	VanessaE	wrong one
19:19	VanessaE	http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=1271
19:19	VanessaE	THAT one.
19:20	KikaRz	Not thta
19:20	KikaRz	*that
19:20	KikaRz	-.-
19:20	KikaRz	its How to program passive mobs in lua
19:20	VanessaE	oops, that was to Kacey ^^^^6
19:20	Kacey	ok lol i feel stupid i didnt get the link in the post
19:21	VanessaE	for his request about mod title/posting rules.
19:21	KikaRz	'-'
19:21	VanessaE	about mobs, look at cornernote's critters mod.  http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=48079#p48079
19:21	Penguin	but ima a special penguin
19:22	KikaRz	vanessa
19:22	KikaRz	not that.
19:22	KikaRz	I WANT TO CREATE ONE
19:22	VanessaE	KikaRz: well you need to start somewhere, you said you don't know how to code in Lua.
19:22	VanessaE	download a mobs mod and tweak it.
19:22	VanessaE	that's how you learn.
19:23	Penguin	kacey come on server in a bit minetest.org 30004
19:24	PilzAdam	gtg; bye
19:25	Penguin	bye
19:25	KikaRz	bye
19:26	KikaRz	[19:25] == john_minetest [~johnp5DCA86EC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Just for the lulz.]
19:26	KikaRz	omg
19:27	KikaRz	Well
19:27	OldCoder	Is anybody here from the Zeg9 server?
19:27	OldCoder	The old one?
19:27	KikaRz	someone can send me Minetest Server Bin?
19:27	OldCoder	What type?
19:27	KikaRz	well, http://sfan.sf.funpic.de/minetest-builds/c55/minetest-0.4.3-25cf375-extrafilters_chkbox-win32.7z got one
19:29	RealBadAngel	there are newer builds
19:29	KikaRz	how i download a git in linux?
19:29	RealBadAngel	with  browser on git page or command line using wget
19:29	KikaRz	how this minetest classic works? https://bitbucket.org/minetestclassicteam/minetest-classic
19:30	KikaRz	ok
19:30	RealBadAngel	https://github.com/celeron55/minetest
19:30	KikaRz	thats not for windows
19:30	KikaRz	-.-
19:31	VanessaE	KikaRz: git clone git://github.com/celeron55/minetest.git   or whatever the repo is.
19:31	Penguin	("O_$)
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19:32	KikaRz	Could not open because git isnt associated to a program (Mozilla Firefox)
19:32	VanessaE	KikaRz: command line.
19:33	VanessaE	open a terminal and copy&paste that ^^^^^^
19:33	KikaRz	No such file or Directory
19:33	RealBadAngel	theres "zip" button
19:33	KikaRz	.
19:33	RealBadAngel	download archive with sources
19:33	KikaRz	not for that
19:34	OldCoder	I am away for 15 minutes
19:34	RealBadAngel	https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/archive/master.zip
19:34	RealBadAngel	is that hard to click the button to download file?
19:34	VanessaE	KikaRz: open a terminal, copy&paste this:
19:34	KikaRz	...
19:34	VanessaE	git clone git://github.com/celeron55/minetest.git
19:35	RealBadAngel	question is he havin CLI for github...
19:35	VanessaE	THAT is the proper way to download a GIT repository in Linux.
19:35	KikaRz	RealBadAngel
19:35	RealBadAngel	im  not using that way
19:35	KikaRz	Shut up please.
19:35	RealBadAngel	and not using cli at all
19:35	VanessaE	RealBadAngel: if he doesn't, it's a trivial matte to apt-get install git. :-)
19:35	KikaRz	im a girl
19:36	VanessaE	she.
19:36	RealBadAngel	cli is archaic and annoying
19:36	Penguin	oh
19:36	KikaRz	well
19:36	KikaRz	i need to specify better
19:36	KikaRz	im female.
19:36	KikaRz	xd
19:36	KikaRz	because nobody understands that im 75% English
19:36	KikaRz	25% Portuguese
19:37	VanessaE	maybe archaic and annoying, but there really isn't a better way, given the nature of the content being downloaded. :-)
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19:37	RealBadAngel	theres git client http://www.syntevo.com/smartgit/index.html
19:37	VanessaE	good day, redcrab .
19:37	RealBadAngel	no need to use CLI at all
19:38	VanessaE	RealBadAngel: sure, but the code is still plain text.  Using a GUI to work on code is kinda..overkill :-)
19:38	RealBadAngel	i suggest using Geany
19:38	VanessaE	(don't misunderstand me, I hate having to use the command line.  But it's the best tool for the job, for me)
19:38	RealBadAngel	for work with sources
19:39	RealBadAngel	im using terminal only to compile sources and launch bin
19:39	RealBadAngel	to get debug output
19:40	RealBadAngel	for editing sources, pushing to remote i dont need to use terminal
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19:44	VanessaE	for me, I edit with gedit (ironically), but compile and manage the repo from the command line
19:44		Penguin joined #minetest
19:45	Penguin	hi
19:45	VanessaE	wb
19:46	RealBadAngel	github client: http://realbadangel.pl/git.png
19:46	RealBadAngel	working with code: http://realbadangel.pl/editing_sources.png
19:46	Penguin	coder
19:47	VanessaE	jeez, looks like a lovechild of synaptic and firefox :-)
19:48	RealBadAngel	;)
19:49	RealBadAngel	VanessaE, try Geany for editing
19:50	RealBadAngel	its damn good
19:50	VanessaE	naw, I'm happy with gedit
19:50	RealBadAngel	even has a terminal in a tab
19:50	Penguin	HAPPY WHEELS
19:50	RealBadAngel	compiler also can be configured for it
19:50	RealBadAngel	LUA, c++ highliting
19:51	KikaRz	https://sites.google.com/site/cornernote/minetest/infinite-chest
19:51	RealBadAngel	perfecto
19:51	KikaRz	EPIC
19:51	RealBadAngel	not really, kinda cheat
19:51	RealBadAngel	but nice piece of code
19:51	KikaRz	whats the turkey day?
19:51	VanessaE	tomorrow.
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19:52	* VanessaE	<-- consummate smartass ;)
19:52	Penguin	HAPPY WHEELS
19:53	KikaRz	shut up, i know that game
19:53	KikaRz	http://www.getpaint.net/
19:53	KikaRz	epic
19:53	Penguin	-_-
19:53	VanessaE	get GIMP.  http://www.gimp.org/
19:53	VanessaE	:-)
19:53	KikaRz	I cant
19:54	KikaRz	Lags a lot in my computer (as windows)
19:54	KikaRz	igot it
19:54	KikaRz	but it dont works correctly
19:56	Penguin	Happy Wheels
19:59	KikaRz	SHUT UP
19:59	KikaRz	thats spam.
19:59	Penguin	SHUT UP
19:59	VanessaE	penguin, knock it off.
19:59	Penguin	sorry
20:00	Penguin	i only said it 3 times
20:00	ruskie	hmmm decided on what I'll construct next in minetest
20:00	VanessaE	"only"....mmmh
20:00	VanessaE	ruskie: what?
20:01	Penguin	1d are spliting up
20:01	Penguin	:D
20:02	Penguin	anyone no who they are
20:03	Penguin	?
20:03	VanessaE	no.  No one knows who they are.
20:03	Penguin	one direction
20:04	marktraceur	Penguin: I think they prefer the term "turn-challenged"
20:05	Penguin	HAHa
20:05	Penguin	NO!!!!!!
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20:06	VanessaE	marktraceur: no, they're reverse-challenged.
20:07	Penguin	Ha !!! NO!!!
20:13	marktraceur	VanessaE: I suppose both--though if you weren't reverse challenged I suppose the derogatory term would be "two directions"
20:13	VanessaE	so you're saying this hypothetical entity goes...ahem...both ways?
20:13	VanessaE	;)
20:13	marktraceur	Like 13, exactly.
20:13	VanessaE	lol
20:15	marktraceur	"The murderer told the bisexual to pick one of two doors, but both doors led to a horrible death" "So what you're saying is, she could have gone both ways" "YEEEEEAAAAHHHHHHH"
20:15	VanessaE	you forgot the sunglasses :-)
20:15	marktraceur	VanessaE: I didn't, you just couldn't see that part
20:15	VanessaE	lol
20:16	* marktraceur	pulled off the sunglasses while typing
20:19	Penguin	TT
20:20	KikaRz	Hey
20:20	KikaRz	whats minetest classic?
20:20	KikaRz	i want to test it, but when i start game, it closes
20:20	iqualfragile	not worth looking at
20:20	VanessaE	it's an old-ass version
20:20	marktraceur	KikaRz: It's our annual golf tournament
20:20	marktraceur	Oh, no sorry, the other things
20:20	KikaRz	?
20:20	VanessaE	0.2.something, from long ago.  you can't even run mods on it.
20:20	KikaRz	o_o'
20:21	KikaRz	but i want to test minetest classic
20:21	KikaRz	:c
20:21	iqualfragile	thats the poit about it
20:21	iqualfragile	it was minetest without mods
20:21	VanessaE	marktraceur: nonono, that's the Mintest Open.  the -Classic was an auto race ;-)
20:21	marktraceur	Oh, right, sorry.
20:21	* marktraceur	wonders how hard it would be to make a golf mod
20:21	KikaRz	yep
20:21	KikaRz	just like
20:21	KikaRz	the throwing mod + ricochet...
20:21	ruskie	marktraceur, that would be nice
20:21	VanessaE	I should think it would be pretty easy actually.
20:22	KikaRz	when you throw it to the floor
20:22	KikaRz	it ricochet to the sky
20:22	KikaRz	like a ball drop
20:22	marktraceur	I agree....you'd need to hunt for the ball pretty heavily, but it would work
20:23	KikaRz	cool... https://sites.google.com/site/cornernote/minetest/worldedit-gui
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20:33	OldCoder
20:33	OldCoder	World 30004 can't do a /clearobjects any longer
20:33	OldCoder	The structure may be hosed
20:33	OldCoder	The question is, are there any other measures to be tried?
20:33	OldCoder	Is there any other way besides WorldEdit to repair a world?
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20:34	VanessaE	there's a tool, I think "worldsplice"?  that can be used to some effect.
20:34	VanessaE	windows-only I think
20:34	VanessaE	don't know much about it or how to use it.
20:36	VanessaE	"Impaired drivers are easy enough to spot.
20:36	VanessaE	A drunk driver will run a stop sign
20:36	VanessaE	The stoned driver waits for it to turn green."
20:36	VanessaE	lol
20:37	RealBadAngel	hehhe
20:38	OldCoder	VanessaE, RealBadAngel Basically 30004 crashes on /clearobjects. I assume this means there is damage. Should I write it off and revert to backup? Or any other options?
20:39	VanessaE	how old is your last known good backup?
20:39	OldCoder	I need to check
20:39	OldCoder	Hopefully not too old
20:40	RealBadAngel	idk what to do with such kind of error
20:40	RealBadAngel	i would try backup way
20:40	OldCoder	We'll see
20:40	OldCoder	Thank you
20:40	OldCoder	I am out on an errand for a little while
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21:09	marktraceur	Hey, quick informal poll of the channel
21:09	KikaRz	I love participating in polls.
21:09	VanessaE	marktraceur: shoot
21:10	marktraceur	If there were dedicated modders that worked full/part time on minetest mods, would that be worth a few dollars of donation to have a say in what they make?
21:10	KikaRz	uh
21:10	KikaRz	what?
21:10	marktraceur	I'm not saying this is happening soon or ever, but some indication of the public perception would be useful for gauging the likelihood of it working
21:10	KikaRz	explain well.
21:10	KikaRz	If there were dedicated modders, they were payed?
21:11	KikaRz	or what they were being payed?
21:11	marktraceur	KikaRz: Yes, they would probably be paid employees of a non-profit.
21:11	VanessaE	marktraceur: well I'd say it depends on how much of "a say" a given donation should allow, but in general I see nothing wrong with the idea.
21:11	KikaRz	yep
21:12	VanessaE	especially in this modern "time = money, and hobby time = time not spent on working" society (however much of a bullshit comparison it is)
21:13	marktraceur	VanessaE: Probably something like "$10 gives you a vote in each decision that happens that month, $50 gives you nomination power for that month's decisions, $200 gives you preferred nomination power" or something similar....I mean, the amounts could float with supply and demand, but generally something tiered like that.
21:13	marktraceur	Also possibly could use swag like t-shirts and stickers for intermediate donation amounts
21:13	VanessaE	marktraceur: that sounds reasonable.
21:15	* marktraceur	stashes away these thoughts for the future
21:15	* KikaRz	gets dreaming on being a future dedicated modder with 1.000.000.000 €...
21:15	* KikaRz	wakes up
21:15	KikaRz	cool.
21:16	marktraceur	KikaRz: Nonprofit salaries for engineers tend to be much lower :P (/me speaks from experience)
21:19	VanessaE	I wonder if this is suitable as a kickstarter project?  You know, something to the tune of "raise X dollars to pay for Y hours of full-time development on Minetest, spread across Z years." kind of thing
21:19	VanessaE	with the benefit to the donators being...I dunno what :-)
21:21	marktraceur	VanessaE: I was thinking of IndieGoGo, but yeah
21:21	VanessaE	oh, I know, the swag idea as you mentioned.  A $10 gets you a ready-to-install CD with win/linux builds and a collection of kickass mods, $50 gets you a life-sized foam pickaxe in your choice of texture pack styles, $200 gets you ... um.. I dunno what :-)
21:21	marktraceur	VanessaE: The trouble is, asking for the amount I would need for a year (or even half a year) of life would probably not work....
21:22	marktraceur	VanessaE: You know me, I wouldn't build for Windows :)
21:22	VanessaE	heh
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21:23	marktraceur	$10 gets you a nice custom GNU/Linux live CD with a minetest server installed on it and nice launch script options for different games
21:23	VanessaE	marktraceur:  and look who shows up at THAT moment.  That's just too good :-)
21:23	marktraceur	$50 maybe a nice t-shirt with logo of the organization (would need to make one, of course)
21:23	marktraceur	$30 some stickers or so
21:24	marktraceur	$100 for the pickaxe or any other tool you'd like (I don't judge the farmers in this world)
21:24	VanessaE	that works :-)
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21:25	marktraceur	I could probably copy some of the GNU MediaGoblin rewards....sponsored commits, 3D figurines, stuff like that
21:25	VanessaE	$200 gets you a foam pickaxe/etc. and a 5-second cameo spot on some professional featured video.
21:25	VanessaE	right
21:25	marktraceur	VanessaE: $200 and we'll let you host a demo video or, if you prefer, just act in a demo video
21:26	VanessaE	right
21:26	VanessaE	this definitely has potential - but how to market it?
21:26	KikaRz	TV :D
21:26	KikaRz	I can make the commercial
21:26	KikaRz	:p
21:26	VanessaE	$500 gets you all of the above plus a vote on a new name for the game :-)
21:26	marktraceur	VanessaE: I think just the community would work fine....work on cool mods, mention the org and the campaign in the forum posts, and move on
21:27	marktraceur	VanessaE: Also using other game communities....so it's not just Minetest, but other moddable free games as well
21:27	VanessaE	good idea.
21:27	* marktraceur	isn't sure if other games already have nonprofits around them, or....
21:28	telek1	X.X
21:29	telek1	Basically: If you got open source mods, would you be willing to put minecraft-mod type money towards it :D
21:29	* marktraceur	didn't know there was money in minecraft mods
21:29	VanessaE	right
21:30	telek1	One of those things that's always funny: People will pay out the posterior for closed source apps, but even if they're good, the gaming community's perception towards OS mods/games/etc is still generally 'inferior'
21:30	VanessaE	so...think we can raise 10 million bucks? :-)
21:30	marktraceur	VanessaE: There's just no way.
21:30	telek1	Dunno, but a few people might be able to at least part-time their work.
21:30	telek1	Go look at Dwarf Fortress for an example
21:30	telek1	They've got up monthly donation reports.
21:30	* marktraceur	could try devoting ten hours a week to this for a month or two as a trial, see if it goes well
21:31	telek1	They're at about 55k/year right now in donations.
21:31	VanessaE	(when I last read, that was the figure quoted as Mojang's gross profits since the start)
21:31	telek1	Some of it is hype, some is merchandising, etc.
21:31	VanessaE	$55k/yr is no small change
21:31	telek1	For one person no, for two maybe.
21:32	VanessaE	well remember that this is $55k/yr on top of whatever these people are already making at their "day" jobs.
21:32	* telek1	isn't sure of their living/working conditions, so it's either a livable wage or bordering livable.
21:32	telek1	VanessaE: Assuming day jobs. They ARE from oregon :D
21:32	VanessaE	heh
21:32	VanessaE	ok, good point.
21:32	* marktraceur	couldn't live on that, but is in San Francisco, where it's expensive as fuck
21:33	telek1	Going off other people I know from there unless you're in portland it's iffy.
21:33	telek1	marktraceur: Agreed. I'm your easternly neighbor :)
21:33	VanessaE	(I have a friend who lives near Astoria I think it is...  he used to tell me some pretty horrid stories about the general economy there)
21:33	telek1	If I had medical right now 55k wouldn't cover me either.
21:33	marktraceur	telek1: East Bay, or Nevada?
21:33	telek1	>.<
21:33	telek1	You're leaving out a few places there :D
21:33	telek1	East of Davis, West of Auburn :D
21:34	marktraceur	telek1: Well, I figure you're either talking about the city or the state
21:34	* telek1	is in the central valley.
21:34	marktraceur	Hm, sort of northish
21:34	KikaRz	Portugal sucks in economy
21:34	KikaRz	:p
21:34	telek1	Eh. The highway says east :D
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21:34	VanessaE	marktraceur: how is it that my husband and I get by on $24k/yr and always seem to have a little money left over to have fun?  Is there really THAT much of a disparity in this country?
21:34	telek1	KikaRz: You guys just need to get your navy back and imperialism :D
21:35	telek1	VanesaE: Yes.
21:35	VanessaE	jeez
21:35	telek1	VannesaE: Cali is that messed up.
21:35	KikaRz	telek1
21:35	KikaRz	is not today that i finish the tower :/
21:35	telek1	Funny part though is rent is hit or miss.
21:35	marktraceur	telek1: Why wouldn't you have said "Sacramento"?
21:35	KikaRz	Sacramento its a city
21:35	KikaRz	or a state
21:35	VanessaE	we live in West Carolina (= Blue Ridge Mountains area of North Carolina), guess we got it pretty good :-)
21:35	marktraceur	KikaRz: State capital of California
21:36	KikaRz	or that
21:36	KikaRz	:P
21:36	telek1	I have a friend in Ohio who was paying as much for an apt as they would here (~550-750/mo 1-2 BR) but was making BELOW our minimum wage, despite having worked at the same job for the better part of a decade.
21:36	KikaRz	telek
21:36	KikaRz	you dont know how to spell VANESSA?
21:36	KikaRz	its Vanessa
21:36	KikaRz	not Vanesa or Vannesa
21:36	KikaRz	'-'
21:36	telek1	marktraceur: I prefer to vague :) Also because I'm embarassed for Sacramento :D
21:36	VanessaE	:P
21:36	KikaRz	celeron is afraid of me :(
21:36	VanessaE	telek1: you prefer to vague..what?  (you left out a noun) ;)
21:37	KikaRz	[21:33] <KikaRz> There isnt a way to get sound in DIrect3D minetest?  [21:33] <celeron55> go away  [21:33] <KikaRz> sry :(
21:37	KikaRz	:/
21:37	VanessaE	KikaRz: oh ho ho ho ho
21:37	KikaRz	thats santa claus
21:37	KikaRz	i dont believe in santa claus
21:37	marktraceur	I live near South VanNess, a road.
21:37	KikaRz	i believe in Jesus Christ
21:37	VanessaE	KikaRz: not afraid - he's just that way.  quite the opposite in fact.
21:37	VanessaE	oh G*D, don't bring up religion.
21:37	telek1	VanessaE: *be* x.x I think I need more caffeine :D
21:38	VanessaE	telek1: just giving you a hard time ;)
21:38	paxcoder	had this guy on linkedin called me an anglicized version of my name. i didn't mind, didn't think about it much. another poster ended roasted him nicely for it though.
21:38	NekoGloop	I believe in my computer.
21:38	paxcoder	up*
21:38	NekoGloop	What religion would that be?
21:38	VanessaE	KikaRz: Jesus was some dusty old carpenter who managed to become a rabbi.  That's all.
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21:39	telek1	In regards to religion: Take a lesson from Mr Rogers :)
21:39	VanessaE	telek1: which would be..? :-)
21:39	OldCoder	Bach
21:39	VanessaE	OldCoder: Chopin.
21:39	marktraceur	telek1: Puppetism?
21:39	paxcoder	VanessaE, Jesus was the last of descendants of David, king of Israel
21:39	telek1	VanessaE: He was a Baptist Minister, but never brought it up on the show so children wouldn't feel left out based on differing beliefs.
21:39	VanessaE	telek1: interesting.
21:40	KikaRz	Hi Muadtralk
21:40	marktraceur	telek1: But there weren't kids running around on the set saying "I believe in Jesus Christ"
21:40	telek1	There's also an awesome youtube clip up of his getting PBS a funding increase back in the late 60s early 70s.
21:40	OldCoder	VanessaE, Chopin Droppin some tunes
21:40	VanessaE	paxcoder: key word, "was".  the man's dead, people.  give it a resy.
21:40	VanessaE	rest*
21:40	KikaRz	SHut up with religions!
21:40	KikaRz	:@
21:40	paxcoder	VanessaE, of course not.
21:40	VanessaE	KikaRz: you started it.
21:40	KikaRz	And you continued it.
21:40	KikaRz	-.-
21:40	paxcoder	Were he dead, there wouldn't be Christianity
21:41	telek1	marktraceur: Not that I saw.
21:41	paxcoder	there were quite a few fake jewish messiah after him.
21:41	marktraceur	KikaRz: We're not discussing religion, just how to handle people who bring it up inappropriately
21:41	VanessaE	paxcoder: Christianity came about some 300 years after the guy croaked.
21:41	paxcoder	*s
21:41	paxcoder	VanessaE, wow, history fail
21:41	KikaRz	.-.
21:41	paxcoder	VanessaE, please look up st. Ignatius of Antioch, the disciple of John
21:41	paxcoder	the guy wrote of Jesus in 104 AD if I'm not mistaken
21:42	VanessaE	ok, 1054 years after.  Even longer.
21:42	paxcoder	plus, some parts of NT were written in the 1st ct.
21:42	telek1	Sadly a complete library of it isn't available to raise your kids on :(
21:42	VanessaE	" The Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox patriarchates split from one another in the East–West Schism of 1054 AD, and Protestantism came into existence during the Protestant Reformation of the 16th century, splitting from the Roman Catholic Church.[7]"
21:42	paxcoder	VanessaE, now you're being irrational
21:42	marktraceur	paxcoder: I always thought Windows NT seemed primitive.
21:42	paxcoder	VanessaE, so?
21:42	KikaRz	Oh god.
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21:42	paxcoder	marktraceur, primitive how?
21:42	marktraceur	paxcoder: Written in the 1st century
21:43	telek1	KikaRz: Lol, I think you've done a religious godwin of this channel :D
21:43	VanessaE	paxcoder: so?  so the guy's dead, and had been dead for centuries.  It took a vote at the Council of Nicea to declare the guy divine.
21:43	paxcoder	marktraceur, argumentum ad novarum?
21:43	paxcoder	logical fallacy, buddy
21:43	paxcoder	*novitatem?
21:43	KikaRz	the god: ChanServ ?
21:43	KikaRz	:p
21:43	telek1	Yep.
21:43	paxcoder	VanessaE, how would you settle heresies?
21:43	telek1	The ChanServ is angry with you :D
21:43	Muadtralk	hanging
21:43	Muadtralk	its very simple
21:43	paxcoder	VanessaE, of course they didn't make it up then.
21:43	marktraceur	paxcoder: Not so, just saying it's funny you abbreviated "new testament" as "NT", which also is the name of the Windows kernel.
21:43	VanessaE	paxcoder: I wouldn't, because this is modern times.  Such shit belongs in the past.
21:44	KikaRz	omg.
21:44	paxcoder	Thomas says bowing to *live* Jesus: "My Lord and my God"
21:44	paxcoder	VanessaE, you have a right to your petty badly thought-out opinioin
21:44	VanessaE	of course my being Jewish has some bearing on my opinion, but so does experience,
21:45	paxcoder	marktraceur, oh
21:45	Muadtralk	I bow to his fordship
21:45	* Muadtralk	makes the T symbol
21:45	telek1	Where IS harrison :D
21:45	VanessaE	and experience says you need to get your house in order before you start foisting your opinions on the rest of us.  The same is true, to a lesser extent, of my faith.
21:46	* telek1	broke up with a girlfriend over almost exactly that :D
21:46	VanessaE	(note, I should say that "you" means the ubiquitous "you", not you personally0
21:46	paxcoder	VanessaE, I'm not the head of the house. That's his job.
21:47	VanessaE	paxcoder: "he" can't and won't do anything to force his followers to take a certain path.  G*d said long ago that mankind has free will, including the freedom not to follow Him.
21:47	VanessaE	so free will is what's causing multiple faiths to cause all the trouble they're causing.  Not G*d, and not some intermediary.
21:47	paxcoder	VanessaE, I meant the pope. Or I would've used a capital H
21:47	VanessaE	who said anything about the Pope?
21:47	paxcoder	I did
21:47	telek1	KikaRz: You loggin back in?
21:47	KikaRz	nope
21:47	* marktraceur	reminds VanessaE that we were going to *not* talk about religion
21:47	KikaRz	im creating blocks
21:47	KikaRz	to my mod
21:48	telek1	The Pope: That's a singular of the 'Popo' right?
21:48	VanessaE	you are a participating member of that religion, therefore you are as responsible for getting your religion in order as the Pope is.
21:48	KikaRz	There is already a remix mod?
21:48	telek1	KikaRz: Called the remix mod? I guess so.
21:48	paxcoder	VanessaE, not the way he is
21:48	KikaRz	(well, a mix of stone + wood + sand + desert stone + water ?
21:48	KikaRz	well
21:48	KikaRz	its not more blocks
21:48	KikaRz	but yes
21:48	KikaRz	a mix of them
21:48	telek1	Hrmm
21:48	VanessaE	paxcoder: he only has the power ascribed to him because some group of people say he should.  that's all.
21:49	paxcoder	VanessaE, that's always the case, isn't it (from an atheistic POW)?
21:49	VanessaE	Short of basic security that you might give to a president, there's nothing stopping someone from walking up and plugging him in the back of the head.
21:49	KikaRz	Hi I
21:49	KikaRz	how are you I ?
21:49	KikaRz	xd
21:49	VanessaE	which means that nothing is forcing the rest of a religion to follow what he says.
21:49	paxcoder	VanessaE, what's your point?
21:50	telek1	Wonder if there's any good fastish physics simulation that could be combined with minetest's blocks to generate dynamic stresses in the game world, such that structures would collapse with insufficient foundation strength.
21:50	marktraceur	Guest92706: Good try :)
21:50	paxcoder	VanessaE, strangely, they do. Or they don't call themselves Catholics (for the most part)
21:50	VanessaE	my point is it's all about free will.  Your religion is a disgusting mess (sorry).  Don't lay blame on some guy in Rome - Fix it yourself and tell him to take a hike.
21:50	Yahweh	erm
21:50	Yahweh	curse registered nicknames
21:50	ba	Guest92706: This, in case you were wondering, was the first (alphabetically) non-taken, non-registered nick on Freenode, ca. two months ago.
21:50	ba	Now I imagine it's something totally different.
21:50	paxcoder	VanessaE, it's all about love. Free will is just the means to do or decide not to do that.
21:51	telek1	Lol!
21:51	VanessaE	telek1: I think the problem with physics is everyone overthinks it.  realistic physics is nice and all, but sometimes a 75% accurate simulation that runs 10x as fast is just as good in the eyes of the player.
21:51	KikaRz	lol
21:51	VanessaE	paxcoder: oh ho ho ho.  don't even talk to me about love until your religion solves its homophobia.
21:51	KikaRz	Yahweh is so fakez.
21:51	KikaRz	xd
21:51	KikaRz	kidding
21:52	telek1	VanessaE: I agree, but it'd be nice as an 'advanced' mod for people watching to put a bit more engineering though into it. I don't think it's something you'd want to do as a strictly scripted mod however.
21:52	KikaRz	Yahweh, there is already a mod changing the blocks to mixing sand... stone... desert stone... ?
21:52	paxcoder	VanessaE, I still don't see your point though, you're reiterating that I should somehow fix something. I neither know what it is that needs fixing nor how would I go about doing that. Either way, forsaking the pope is not the solution. It's been tried.
21:52	VanessaE	telek1: oh sure.  problem is, I don't think that can be done in Lua - not as an add-on to the rest of the game I mean.  That would need tweaks to the engine.
21:52	paxcoder	VanessaE, homophobia? Define that word for me, will you?
21:52	sdzen	what?
21:53	* telek1	points VanessaE at what he said :D
21:53	VanessaE	paxcoder: fear and hate of those who are gay, bisexual, etc.
21:53	sdzen	KikaRz
21:53	telek1	I'm not disagreeing with you :)
21:53	KikaRz	sdzen
21:53	VanessaE	telek1: right, misread :-)
21:53	VanessaE	paxcoder: which translates, currently, into denial of rights, murder, etc.
21:53	telek1	Is minetest currently single, or multithreaded?
21:53	VanessaE	fix that shit before you talk about love.
21:53	paxcoder	VanessaE, a phobia is an irrational fear. We collectively don't suffer from it, nor I personally
21:53	VanessaE	telek1: single-threaded at the Lua level.
21:54	NekoGloop	paxcoder: What, you think your fears are rational?
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21:54	telek1	So all luascripts are run serially? Or each can be triggered in it's own thread?
21:54	VanessaE	telek1: sorta multi-threaded at the client/server level - you can run them as different processes if you want, but that's about all.  I'm not sure how much further that goes.
21:54	VanessaE	they all run in series.
21:54	* telek1	nodnods.
21:54	VanessaE	so an ABM in one mod can block the entire Lua engine and keep other mods from running
21:55	paxcoder	NekoGloop, I have a fear of traditional family values being diluted, or the institution of marriage redefined. That fear is justified.
21:55	VanessaE	oh boy.
21:55	NekoGloop	paxcoder: No it isnt.
21:55	paxcoder	NekoGloop, it is. Marriage is based on laws of nature. Gay "marriage" would redefine it.
21:55	VanessaE	paxcoder: totally unjustified.  Stop denying people their rights, stop killing or advocating the death of people.
21:55	NekoGloop	Marriage is based on what laws of nature?
21:55	VanessaE	marriage is based on the laws of man.  not nature, not the bible.
21:56	KikaRz	hahahahah
21:56	paxcoder	VanessaE, what rights? who's advocating death?
21:56	NekoGloop	Show me one point of your "marriage" in nature. Now.
21:56	KikaRz	now are talking about... HOMOSSEXUAL MARRIAGE
21:56	VanessaE	the laws of man can be changed.  the bible can be proven to be a work of fan fiction and be thrown out.
21:56	KikaRz	LOL
21:56	telek1	Actually for that matter: How many different definitions of marriage are there, just in the bible?
21:56	telek1	Or for the ending of marriage.
21:56	VanessaE	paxcoder: search the web for it.
21:56	NekoGloop	telek1: A couple hundred, probably.
21:56	paxcoder	NekoGloop, marriage stems from procreation. Its purpose is such a union that would bring forth children.
21:56	VanessaE	WRONG.
21:56	paxcoder	VanessaE, for what?
21:57	VanessaE	marriage stems from money.
21:57	VanessaE	kingdoms joining for mutual protection.
21:57	KikaRz	HEy, a block image is saved in PNG?
21:57	VanessaE	or benefit.
21:57	OldCoder	Heh. Like this isn't a bit off topic :-)
21:57	NekoGloop	paxcoder: Its purpose is for two people two be together in love.
21:57	paxcoder	VanessaE, procreation
21:57	telek1	paxcoder: If artificial wombs are available and the merging of genetic material, then does it matter if the womb is in one of the members or outside of them?
21:57	OldCoder	Marriage Test
21:57	telek1	What about people who are sterile?
21:57	VanessaE	paxcoder: you are dead wrong.
21:57	KikaRz	come on
21:57	KikaRz	someone can tell me
21:57	KikaRz	nodes image is savedi n png?
21:57	paxcoder	NekoGloop, no, procreation. I can love my friend without "marrying" him.
21:57	KikaRz	*saved in
21:57	telek1	KikaRz: No it's not.
21:57	KikaRz	so
21:57	paxcoder	Also, my parents
21:57	KikaRz	its in what?
21:57	VanessaE	paxcoder: search the web for "Transgender Day of remembrance" for a good example of the killing I've heard about.
21:58	telek1	I'm not sure of the exact format, but I assume it's a data structure.
21:58	VanessaE	search for phrases such as "right to association" .
21:58	paxcoder	VanessaE, Any points can be brought up here.
21:58	NekoGloop	paxcoder: Yet you deny the right to those who greatly love another of the same sex?
21:58	telek1	And they're stored in I think 16x16 node chunks.
21:58	KikaRz	...
21:58	paxcoder	NekoGloop, what right?
21:58	KikaRz	they are saved in png
21:58	VanessaE	telek1: correct - mapblocks, those are called.
21:58	NekoGloop	The right to marriage?
21:58	VanessaE	paxcoder: the right people claim for themselves.  that's what right.
21:58	NekoGloop	The right to life?
21:58	paxcoder	NekoGloop, not at all. Since marriage is a union between a man and a woman.
21:59	VanessaE	paxcoder: only because you define it as such.
21:59	paxcoder	VanessaE, nature does
21:59	VanessaE	What is nature?
21:59	NekoGloop	paxcoder: Last i recall, the white house doesnt allow goofing off on irc.
21:59	telek1	Nature defines marriage?
21:59	paxcoder	all other unions are of different kind and purpose
21:59	telek1	Tell that to the monkeys :D
21:59	KikaRz	they're saved in 32 bit, 24 or 8 ? Someone can tell me? VanessaE? NekoGloop?
21:59	VanessaE	an antromorphic thing?  G*d?  Some entity?
21:59	telek1	Or the cats we've got inbreeding in my grandmother's yard :D
21:59	paxcoder	telek1, I'm not talking about a rhino humping a van
21:59	VanessaE	KikaRz: it varies, some fields are bytes, some are words.  I don't know the exact format.
21:59	NekoGloop	God used science to create the world.
21:59	NekoGloop	Discuss.
21:59	paxcoder	telek1, in fact, I'm talking against that
21:59	VanessaE	NekoGloop: +100000
22:00	VanessaE	science explains how.  religion tries to explain why.
22:00	telek1	My point is only that it's only natural insofar as you were raised with it being natural or unnatural.
22:00	VanessaE	but neither one has the right to define things.
22:00	NekoGloop	He did it because he was lonely. Go figure.
22:00	VanessaE	that right belongs to the people who want to apply a label.
22:00	paxcoder	telek1, perhaps, but it still means redefinition
22:00	paxcoder	*to change the meaning
22:01	VanessaE	i.e. those who want to marry have the right to define what marriage is.
22:01	telek1	If you threw a bunch of kids into a large box without aid of religion for a few decades, do you think they would come out with the same belief's as someone raised as such?
22:01	VanessaE	and why do you even care
22:01	VanessaE	are you afraid it's going to spoil your marriage?
22:01	NekoGloop	paxcoder: Just step outside of your goddamn biased POV and think from the POV of said homosexual individuals.
22:01	KikaRz	omg
22:01	paxcoder	telek1, I think marriage as it is has its purpose. Redefining marriage would make the word meaningless and allow for all kinds of directions contrary to its original purpose, procreation, which I support
22:01	telek1	I'm not trying to dissuade you from your opinion, only point out to you that you need to provide evidence beyond 'because'.
22:01	paxcoder	NekoGloop, I'm not denying they have a hard time
22:01	marktraceur	VanessaE: "If gay people are allowed to marry, then *everyone* can get married! Think of how the American family will be strengthened!" --Barney Stinson
22:02	VanessaE	telek1: depends on how they were raise up to that point.  If they were taught some basic realistic values, like murder is wrong and so forth, I think they'd develop just fine, hypothetically speaking that is.
22:02	marktraceur	True story!
22:02	telek1	Because only works for people with the same belief's as you.
22:02	KikaRz	Alert: Gay things rolling in IRC #minetest freenode chat. Evacuation in 1 minute...
22:02	KikaRz	Alert: Gay things rolling in IRC #minetest freenode chat. Evacuation in 1 minute...
22:02	KikaRz	'-'
22:02	ecube	\o/
22:02	NekoGloop	paxcoder: Yet you enforce restrictions on them.
22:02	paxcoder	NekoGloop, and I'm not saying I can't see why they'd want the redefinition. I still think it'd be detrimental to the society.
22:02	marktraceur	KikaRz: Bye!
22:02	KikaRz	Alert: Gay things rolling in IRC #minetest freenode chat. Evacuation in 30 seconds...
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22:02	telek1	VanessaE: This is assuming basically babies who were fed far enough to be able to eat on their own.
22:02	NekoGloop	Yet, you deliberatly try to make their lives difficult.
22:02	* telek1	waves @ KikaRz.
22:02	VanessaE	paxcoder: why do you care how the word "marriage" is defined?  Are you afraid that two guys/girls getting married going to spoil your marriage?
22:02	VanessaE	answer that.
22:02	KikaRz	Im not going out
22:03	KikaRz	20 seconds...
22:03	paxcoder	NekoGloop, I'm simply supporting the established definitions. Other unions should have different labels. They can have contracts of different names if they want. Marriage, a building block of society, should stay intact.
22:03	KikaRz	10 seconds...
22:03	NekoGloop	And, if you hadnt noticed, the world has a surplus of children.
22:03	KikaRz	3
22:03	KikaRz	2
22:03	KikaRz	1
22:03	KikaRz	SUSPENDED SUBJECT
22:03	VanessaE	telek1: oh sure, assuming the basic necessities are met and they all have equal standing to begin with, yeah.  They'll probably be just fine, to the extent that a child can develop without the aid of a parent.
22:03	NekoGloop	From orphanages to just on the streets.
22:03	telek1	That explains NekoGloop :D
22:03	KikaRz	If you want to talk abotu that, go to Query please
22:03	ecube	teh troll
22:03	KikaRz	Well
22:03	KikaRz	lets continue talking about minetest
22:03	NekoGloop	KikaRz: Cant multiquery.
22:03	KikaRz	and not from gay things
22:03	KikaRz	:p
22:04	KikaRz	yep
22:04	KikaRz	they can
22:04	paxcoder	VanessaE, It recognizes a union of no procreative value as equally valid.
22:04	KikaRz	join #minetest-querychannel
22:04	NekoGloop	KikaRz: Would you too like a kick in the ass?
22:04	VanessaE	paxcoder: why do you care how the word "marriage" is defined?  Are you afraid that two guys/girls getting married going to spoil your marriage?
22:04	marktraceur	VanessaE: But if the states can't define marriage, then dual federalism is over and we're essentially only a federal government! /me voted for the Democratic-Republic candidate in the last election
22:04	paxcoder	VanessaE, see above.
22:04	KikaRz	omg
22:04	VanessaE	paxcoder: answer my question.
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22:04	paxcoder	I did.
22:04	VanessaE	no, you sidestepped it.
22:04	NekoGloop	paxcoder: No you didnt.
22:04	NekoGloop	You randomly said shit.
22:04	VanessaE	paxcoder: why do you care how the word "marriage" is defined?  Are you afraid that two guys/girls getting married going to spoil your marriage?
22:04	Kacey	http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3821 my mod
22:04	VanessaE	note the bold part.
22:05	* NekoGloop	sees no bold part.
22:05	ecube	^
22:05	marktraceur	VanessaE, paxcoder, please PM abouth this.
22:05	telek1	Why not just abolish the word and everybody can be happy behind closed doors? :D Take the vermont approach: 'Don't ask, don't tell' :D
22:05	KikaRz	Where are skins saved?
22:05	marktraceur	about*
22:05	VanessaE	oh, well it's bold on my screen.
22:05	NekoGloop	marktraceur: I'm in this too.
22:05	KikaRz	lol
22:05	KikaRz	Yep, its only on IRC programs.
22:05	paxcoder	VanessaE, marriage being redefined to be of lesser value than it is will be detrimental to society.
22:05	marktraceur	NekoGloop, VanessaE, paxcoder, telek1, make ##mtflamewarshitstorm if you want
22:05	KikaRz	like Xchat, IRCnet...
22:05	KikaRz	etc
22:05	* NekoGloop	has an irc program.
22:05	VanessaE	kikaRz: skins are saved as player.png and player_back.png and can be placed anywhere that minetest looks for textures (usually <minetestfolder>/textures/all or as part of an installed texture pack
22:05	KikaRz	where?
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22:06	paxcoder	marktraceur, I have no objections to relocation.
22:06	KikaRz	No Player.png in textures/all
22:06	VanessaE	paxcoder: and how exactly will that happen?
22:06	NekoGloop	paxcoder: Marriage: A union between two individuals who are in love with eachother.
22:06	paxcoder	VanessaE, NekoGloop #marriage if you're interested
22:06	NekoGloop	Doesnt spoil anything.
22:06	Kacey	hey vanessa http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3821 check out my mod
22:06	marktraceur	Kacey: Broken link
22:06	telek1	Join the ## one mentioned above :)
22:07	Kacey	how is it broken
22:07	telek1	Aww.
22:07	paxcoder	NekoGloop, Marriage: see Friendship
22:07	KikaRz	telek1, Please elaborate a better topic
22:07	KikaRz	thats not too atractive
22:07	marktraceur	Kacey: You only pasted part of the link, it seems
22:07	NekoGloop	paxcoder: See homosexuality
22:07	telek1	Oh I dropped that when we were gonna change channels.
22:07	KikaRz	SHUT THE HELL UP WITH GAY!
22:07	Kacey	no i posted whole link
22:07	KikaRz	Go to ##mtflamewarshitstorm
22:07	ecube	gay gay gay
22:07	Kacey	it works
22:07	NekoGloop	KikaRz: Homophobe.
22:07	Kacey	double click it
22:08	KikaRz	No im not
22:08	KikaRz	Im just tired to see Homossexual, gay, marriage
22:08	NekoGloop	Yeah you are.
22:08	KikaRz	etc
22:08	marktraceur	Kacey: If you copy and paste it, but not if you click it
22:08	KikaRz	telek1
22:08	KikaRz	Link is wrong
22:08	Kacey	double click it man
22:08	Kacey	works for me
22:08	KikaRz	http://ompldr.org/vZ2VhcA joins into the vZ2VhcA
22:09	KikaRz	not in ompldr
22:09	OldCoder	I think 30004 is dead
22:09	Kacey	ooh that link
22:09	OldCoder	Hmm
22:09	KikaRz	Lets make a funeral
22:09	KikaRz	:)
22:09	OldCoder	We have no repair tools
22:09	Kacey	NOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!
22:09	OldCoder	Kacey, There will be a ghost
22:09	KikaRz	what Kacey?
22:09	OldCoder	But the current one crashes on /clearobjects
22:09	Kacey	the server died
22:09	OldCoder	The world is corrupted
22:09	OldCoder	Checking further
22:09	Kacey	well then dont /clearobjects
22:10	OldCoder	No
22:10	KikaRz	poor server.
22:10	OldCoder	That is my test
22:10	OldCoder	If a world cannot /clearobjects then it is damaged
22:10	Kacey	KikaRz that ompldr link works
22:10	KikaRz	No it doesnt
22:10	KikaRz	it goes to VZ2VhcA
22:10	ecube	clearobjects causes minetest to catch the deadly SIGKILL
22:10	KikaRz	it was supposed to go to:
22:10	KikaRz	http://ompldr.org/vZ2VhcA
22:10	Kacey	not for me it works fine
22:10	KikaRz	O Firefox não consegue encontrar o servidor em www.vz2vhca.com.
22:10	Kacey	it begins the download
22:11	ecube	well, if there are too many objects
22:11	KikaRz	In English:
22:11	ecube	otherwise, it's fine
22:11	KikaRz	The Firefox could not found the server in www.vz2vhca.com.
22:11	KikaRz	xd
22:11	telek1	KikaRz: Which link?
22:11	KikaRz	... the block is from luigi
22:11	KikaRz	-.-
22:11	OldCoder	I will try gdb
22:11	OldCoder	To save the world
22:11	KikaRz	ill make him some glasses
22:11	ecube	OldCoder: you have a server?
22:12	* telek1	nods.
22:12	KikaRz	He host 19 worlds
22:12	KikaRz	or more...
22:12	OldCoder	ecube, About 19
22:12	ecube	oh, i remember now
22:12	OldCoder	Is that enough
22:12	OldCoder	:-)
22:12	KikaRz	OldCoder is the crazy scientist.
22:12	Kacey	OldCoder i made my first block mod
22:12	ecube	enough for them to catch the SIGKILL disease when you do /clearobjects
22:12	OldCoder	I will /clearobjects inside gdb
22:12	OldCoder	ecube, Go on
22:12	OldCoder	Kacey, Oh?
22:12	ecube	go on what?
22:13	OldCoder	ecube, Explain
22:13	OldCoder	ecube, Is there a useful theory?
22:13	Kacey	yep it adds a weegee block
22:13	ecube	no, when I make a server and there are too many objects and i /clearobjects, minetestserver gets killed within 10 minutes
22:14	Kacey	imma make another mod
22:14	KikaRz	what does /clearobjects?
22:14	ecube	clearobjects is supposed to remove all the non-player entities
22:14	ecube	i think
22:14	ecube	is it?
22:14	KikaRz	or all the drops?
22:15	KikaRz	but how it generates so many drops»?
22:15	ecube	it doesn't
22:15	ecube	it's the nature mod you have to worry about
22:15	ecube	when the blossoms decay, they drop as items 100% of the time
22:15	OldCoder	ecube, continue if possible
22:16	ecube	continue what?
22:16	KikaRz	hey
22:17	harrison	i the harrison am ubiquitous telek1
22:17	KikaRz	who wants to make with me a chess mod?
22:17	KikaRz	i make the chess platform
22:17	ecube	that souunds fun
22:17	ecube	what, we make the chess mechanics?
22:17	ecube	that sounds lazy
22:17	telek1	harrison: :)
22:17	Kacey	i think there is already one but i will work with you
22:18	telek1	Start with checkers then work to chess then maybe to go, or shogi.
22:18	Kacey	ok
22:18	KikaRz	lol
22:18	telek1	And that's assuming you've got enough space on a block or wherever for all the pieces.
22:18	KikaRz	tomorrow
22:18	KikaRz	ill make...
22:18	telek1	If not maybe make it a series of 'linkable' nodes that can link together into a board?
22:18	Kacey	maybe we can use the arcade mod...
22:18	KikaRz	43 blocks :D
22:19	telek1	I still haven't played with that.
22:19	KikaRz	problem: Configuring them all! *_*
22:19	ecube	maybe we'll make 1 single node
22:19	telek1	How is the tetris mod?
22:19	ecube	and the node is a chess board
22:19	KikaRz	i can do
22:19	KikaRz	the chess board
22:19	KikaRz	'-'
22:19	Kacey	brb
22:19	ecube	lol
22:19	KikaRz	Paint.NET its so COOL
22:19	KikaRz	*_*
22:19	ecube	Kacey: Y
22:19	KikaRz	well
22:19	KikaRz	Re-boot Universe...
22:20	KikaRz	Y
22:20	KikaRz	see ya tomorrow
22:20	OldCoder	ecube, Your guess was correcct
22:20	KikaRz	universe for me its rebooting
22:20	KikaRz	:)
22:20	OldCoder	*t
22:20	OldCoder	KikaRz, bye
22:20	KikaRz	:P
22:20	ecube	what was my guess?
22:20	OldCoder	ecube, it is SIGKILL
22:20	KikaRz	Rebooting universe in my mind...
22:20	OldCoder	What is happening during /clearobjects?
22:20	ecube	Well, the server is abusing the computer's resources trying to remove all the items
22:21	OldCoder	Hmm
22:21	OldCoder	Which resources? RAM?
22:21	ecube	i think so
22:21	ecube	i'll try it out
22:23	ecube	damn it, i didn't have enough items to cause sigkill
22:23	OldCoder	it's fine
22:23	OldCoder	testing
22:23	OldCoder	ty
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22:24	Kacey	minetest.net doesnt work for me anymore
22:24	NekoGloop	Remove hamachi then.
22:24	Kacey	i did that
22:24	OldCoder	Kacey, I am working on the world
22:25	telek1	It was acting up yesterday
22:25	telek1	C55 mentioned something about the domain resolving to his cell instead of his server or something weird like that.
22:26	ecube	lol
22:26	telek1	Yep, unresolvable now.
22:26	telek1	ecube: Yeah it's really not funny :/
22:27	OldCoder	ecube, ty I think that was the issue
22:27	OldCoder	May get the world back
22:27	ecube	minetest.net goes to 5.9.130.165 for some strange reason
22:28	iqualfragile1	yeah, celeron55 fucked up with his dns
22:28	iqualfragile1	(feel alerted)
22:28	iqualfragile1	gn8
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22:29	ecube	he probably forgot to type some number
22:29	Kacey	lol i am making a house out of weegee blocks
22:29	telek1	iqualfragile1: Night.
22:30	marktraceur	Kacey: You should put your node in caves randomly, so it appears suddenly and hilariously
22:30	telek1	Hrmm
22:30	Kacey	ooh an abm?
22:30	marktraceur	Kacey: And if possible make it a light source only for one node, so that node is lit but no others are
22:30	telek1	Is it possible to have a mob 'stick' to a certain direction of blocks?
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22:31	telek1	IE for having mobs that could walk on walls or ceilings?
22:31	telek1	What about re-orienting the player in another direction?
22:31	marktraceur	Kacey: No, not an ABM, just an on_generated function that checks whether it can be seen (i.e., there's an adjacent air block and it's below ground otherwise)
22:32	Kacey	marktraceur: that is an abm that doesnt replace a node
22:32	marktraceur	telek1: You can set the entity's acceleration to positive 9.8 m/s^2 for stick-to-ceiling, and set its acceleration in the Z or X directions to some number if you want it to walk on walls.
22:32	marktraceur	Kacey: It's not an ABM, you don't want it to happen more than once per generated block.
22:33	telek1	marktraceur: Won't it still be oriented towards the floor though?
22:33	marktraceur	Kacey: on_generated. Look it up in the API docs.
22:33	marktraceur	telek1: Not if you make the textures right :)
22:33	Kacey	i cant right now because minetest.net doesnt work
22:33	telek1	marktraceur: ::D
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22:33	marktraceur	Kacey: You have the code checked out, right? doc/lua_api.txt
22:34	Kacey	?
22:34	Kacey	omg i feel stupid
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22:35	marktraceur	Kacey: Don't, it's something us old hats know :)
22:35	Kacey	that doc folder seemed useless to me lol
22:40	OldCoder	Kacey, can you check 30004 world for me in a little while?
22:40	OldCoder	See if it looks right to you?
22:40	Kacey	sure
22:42	telek1	Where is the see for a previously generated work stored?
22:42	Kacey	i know what my next mod will be!!!!!
22:42	* telek1	wanted to check how one of his legacy worlds looks with all the mods currently on it used to generate the starting terrain over again.
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22:44	kaeza	hey!
22:45	kaeza	Is the forum down again?
22:45	Kacey	yep
22:46	kaeza	:(
22:46	Kacey	c55 is having problems with minetest.net
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22:49	kaeza	What provider is c55 using for minetest.net? I'll add it to my black list.
22:49	kaeza	:)
22:49	Kacey	idk
22:49	Kacey	OldCoder i am making a new mod
22:49	kaeza	wanted to post some images. Does InfinityProject come here?
22:50	Kacey	nope
22:50	kaeza	Sorry I'm new to this IRC thing.
22:51	Kacey	dont worry we all were at one point in time
22:52	kaeza	Thanks Kacey. May I ask what mod are you planning? Just being a bit curious...
22:52	Kacey	sharpening mod
22:52	Kacey	my second mod
22:52	kaeza	Sharpening in what sense?
22:52	OldCoder	Kacey, Good
22:52	OldCoder	kaeza, Hi
22:52	kaeza	hi OldCoder
22:52	OldCoder	kaeza, Welcome!
22:52	OldCoder	Pull up a chair
22:53	OldCoder	There is a place for you at a the table :-)
22:53	kaeza	Thanks :P
22:53	Kacey	like it makes an ore that has a stone in it
22:53	Kacey	with that stone, you can smelt it into an ingot
22:53	Kacey	with that ingot you can sharpen (repair) your tool
22:54	kaeza	Oh I see. That's cool. I really hate when I have to use three MESE blocks to make a new pickaxe.
22:55	Kacey	hey it take 9 mese blocks to make a nyan cat block on my crafting mod
22:55	Matsetes	Somebody knows Mob framework?
22:55	Kacey	?
22:56	telek1	Matsetes: mobf? No.
22:56	kaeza	Yeah, so for both your mod, and Jeija's MeseCons you need A LOT of Mese. So wasting three blocks when you can repair is a good thing.
22:56	telek1	Technic (or whichever submod provides it) has those really nice tool repair booths
22:57	Kacey	no that crafting one is for makin mese and nyancat
22:57	telek1	That sure seems necessary for some of the more difficult to produce pieces of equipment.
22:57	kaeza	Matsetes: What about it?
22:57	Kacey	and my weegee one uses a bit of mese too
22:58	kaeza	Sorry, I meant it would be better to repair than to craft a new one.
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23:02	Kacey	Hey Doc22 i made a weegee mod
23:02	Doc22	a what mod?
23:02	Doc22	show me
23:02	Doc22	whats the lin
23:02	Doc22	link
23:02	Kacey	it is down right now...
23:02	Kacey	the link is on the forum topic
23:02	Doc22	just discovered that...
23:02	Kacey	lol
23:02	Kacey	i am making a new mod
23:02	Doc22	dang ill have to scour the recycling bin
23:03	Doc22	whatzit gunna be
23:03	VanessaE	fuck a duck, the minetest forums are down again??
23:03	Kacey	sharpening
23:03	Kacey	yep
23:03	ecube	blame the DNS
23:03	NekoGloop	VanessaE: Why would one fuck a duck?
23:03	kaeza	yet again :(
23:04	Kacey	want to see it so far doc?
23:04	telek1	VanessaE: Isn't that off the minetest.net IP?
23:04	Doc22	huh
23:04	ecube	the minetest forums themselves are probably up, but the dns doesn't point to it
23:04	Doc22	sure
23:04	VanessaE	telek1: aye.
23:04	Doc22	hmmm
23:04	Kacey	do you have teamviewer
23:04	Doc22	crappy service then
23:05	VanessaE	NekoGloop: same reason one would screw a kangaroo or finger-bang an orangutan - because it'll create an orgy at the zoo.
23:05	VanessaE	sorry, that was bad I know.
23:05	NekoGloop	Lol
23:05	kaeza	ecube: does that mean I can connect if I use direct IP?
23:05	ecube	Yes
23:05	NekoGloop	kaeza: Perhaps.
23:05	ecube	but what's the direct IP?
23:05	ecube	Well, yes, if the direct IP is up
23:06	ecube	I'm sure it is
23:06	telek1	That 5. one is the cell, not the server though, right?
23:06	ecube	minetest.net doesn't point to the IP
23:07	telek1	Hence you'd need to know the original non-5 IP to connect.
23:07	ecube	the DNS is up and the IP is probably up, but the DNS doesn't point to the IP
23:07	telek1	And set your hosts file with it, otherwise it wouldn't pass the 'virtual servername' to the server properly so it'd display the right website.
23:07	ecube	it had nothing to do with your local files
23:08	kaeza	Unfortunately a WHOIS is out of the question
23:08	OldCoder	NekoGloop, Hi
23:08	OldCoder	BTW folks...
23:08	ecube	i don't use whois
23:08	OldCoder	cornernote says hello
23:08	OldCoder	Sort of
23:08	kaeza	hello to cornernote then :P
23:09	OldCoder	If he comes back
23:09	kaeza	?
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23:10	Matsetes	I have troubles with the forum website...
23:11	ecube	the DNS that points to it points to the wrong place
23:11	Kacey	haha oops forgot to make background transparent
23:11	kaeza	Matsetes: It's down
23:11	Matsetes	Oh, damn!
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23:12	Matsetes	Until when?
23:12	Doc22	there
23:13	kaeza	IDK
23:13	kaeza	Is c55 out there?
23:14	ecube	unlikely
23:17	OldCoder	I could run new forums but I'd rather repair the old ones
23:18	OldCoder	Is this just a Hamachi issue?
23:19	kaeza	Maybe switch to a better host
23:20	kaeza	IDK which one to suggest. PS: I meant DNS service
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23:26	Octupus	Hola
23:26	kaeza	hola
23:27	kaeza	hola pul
23:27	kaeza	po
23:27	telek1	OldCoder: Now it's a DNS resolver issue, according to c55 yesterday
23:28	OldCoder	O.K.
23:29	OldCoder	telek1, Access to site by IP does not work?
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23:30	Octupus	hi DOc22
23:30	telek1	OldCoder: Didn't the other day. It's a virtual server and without the right domainname passed to it it was giving an errorpage.
23:30	Doc22	hey octu
23:30	Doc22	wanna play on my server octu?
23:30	Doc22	i freed up memory for it
23:30	Octupus	Sure Doc
23:30	Doc22	and btw where did kacey go
23:30	Octupus	idk
23:31	Doc22	ok
23:32	RealBadAngel	minetest.net had an ip like 5.9.130.165 ?
23:32	RealBadAngel	looks like hamachi ip
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23:32	OldCoder	telek1, I can fix that
23:32	OldCoder	telek1, I can run a DNS that is configured properly
23:32	OldCoder	But
23:32	OldCoder	People would need to use it explicitly; so never mind
23:32	T_A_N_K	Doing server test
23:32	telek1	OldCoder: Agreed.
23:34	kaeza	I for me, don't mind
23:34	T_A_N_K	first 8 people on hamachi server testminetestmine and testminetestmine1 can help
23:34	Octupus	i delete my hamachi T_A_N_K and heelo :)
23:35	T_A_N_K	hi neglopus
23:35	kaeza	RealBadAngel: the IP doesn't seem to work
23:35	NekoGloop	Meow.
23:35	RealBadAngel	http://realbadangel.pl/inv.png
23:35	Octupus	hi
23:35	RealBadAngel	current state of creative for technic
23:36	kaeza	RealBadAngel: What is that?
23:36	kaeza	oh nevermind
23:37	RealBadAngel	technic player inventory menu
23:38	kaeza	I haven't tested technic yet. What are those on the right?
23:38	RealBadAngel	just tiles to plan the grid where items will be shown like in creative inventory
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23:39	telek1	Is it possible to make scripts just fail instead of raising an exception?
23:40	RealBadAngel	i dont think so
23:40	kaeza	I've been having the same idea. Whether creative inv would be bigger. With Unifieddyes and unifiedbricks you have about 50 pages IIRC.
23:41	kaeza	telek1: what do you mean?
23:41	RealBadAngel	it will be way faster than old creative
23:41	RealBadAngel	first of all those will be buttons
23:41	RealBadAngel	press to get the stack
23:41	kaeza	RealBadAngel: +1 for that
23:41	kaeza	heck +
23:42	kaeza	2000
23:42	marktraceur	telek1: What do you mean? Failing mods?
23:42	kaeza	Maybe use `pcall' from Lua?
23:42	telek1	marktraceur: animal mod and some others, like the ='nil' failure VanessaE was mentioning earlier.
23:43	jin_xi	hi all
23:43	kaeza	hi jin_xi
23:43	RealBadAngel	kaeza, i think usable version will be out tommorow
23:43	kaeza	cool
23:43	kaeza	If the forum is up though :)
23:43	telek1	It's ok if a mod fails on startup, but ones that randomly fail during operation are a PITA
23:44	RealBadAngel	ive integrated by now, cornernotes homepos, bags, added crafting guide
23:44	RealBadAngel	now are those buttons left
23:45	kaeza	telek: I know that feel bro. Maybe we could just print exceptions as warnings? This would require C+
23:45	kaeza	+
23:45	kaeza	I think
23:45	T_A_N_K	I think my server is the first one with technic 8)
23:45	kaeza	Sorry the plus sign somehow is pressing my enter key
23:45	RealBadAngel	print warnings and allow maltuction mods to work?
23:45	RealBadAngel	thats actually bad idea
23:45	telek1	kaeza: Should be possible with lua too, but I'm not sure what would be required script-wise to do it.
23:46	VanessaE	kaeza: more like 65 pages with unifieddyes and the stuff that uses it :-)
23:46	RealBadAngel	add like 20 pages of stairs+ ;)
23:46	kaeza	RealBadAngel: Maybe make a "Testing" game option that allows that?
23:47	telek1	RBA: Can't disagree it could be bad, but having to remove say the animal mod and clean up all the now undefined mobs wandering around as purple squares can be just as frustrating.
23:47	RealBadAngel	no way, mods could do total mess in the world
23:48	kaeza	Actually I have that very problem right now. I think the MOBS are bugging my map. I removed the mod but get LOTS of "Unknown object"s. How do I get rid of them?
23:48	RealBadAngel	telek: /clearobjects and purple monsters are gone
23:49	kaeza	nevermind
23:49	kaeza	already answered
23:49	kaeza	Didn't know that RBA
23:49	kaeza	thanks
23:49	RealBadAngel	np
23:52	kaeza	Maybe one could hook for example minetest.register_node, and make it return wrap
23:52	kaeza	HELL ENTER
23:53	kaeza	Maybe one could hook for example minetest.register_node, and make it return a wrapper that calls it's on_punch through pcall. Just an idea.
23:55	telek1	RBA: Doesn't that clear all mobs, not just purple ones?
23:56	VanessaE	kaeza: that clears all entities, which includes all mobs.
23:56	telek1	Also what happened to the rats and is there a mod that re-enables them?
23:56	VanessaE	(entities can also be dropped objects like a block of dirt though)
23:56	VanessaE	rats were removed in 0.3.1->0.4.x, you can get them back with the MOBF mod.
23:56	VanessaE	(I think)
23:57	telek1	And wasn't it post 0.4?
23:57	telek1	Or was 0.3.1 the first mod version
23:59	kaeza	VanessaE: That's exactly what I want. I believe it also deletes carts I think; I believe they are entities after all.

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