IRC log for #minetest, 2012-09-09

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Time	Nick	Message
00:11		Taoki joined #minetest
00:14	_2cool4me4_	I may have to scrap this alu design...
00:14	_2cool4me4_	:(
00:15	VanessaE	why?
00:15	_2cool4me4_	It just doesn't work right.
00:16	_2cool4me4_	bad adding design. good AND-ing
00:22	iqualfragile	gn8
00:23	_2cool4me4_	what?
00:28	VanessaE	"good night:
00:28	VanessaE	"
00:29	_2cool4me4_	ohh
00:29	Keegann	night VanessaE
00:29	VanessaE	not me you dork, I was explaining iqualfragile's shorthand :-()
00:29	VanessaE	:-)
00:29	Keegann	oh
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00:30	Keegann	now whos this
00:30	Guy12	Hello
00:30	_2cool4me4_	He's the twelveth guy.
00:31	Keegann	no crap
00:31	_2cool4me4_	:(
00:32	Guy12	I saw the minetest article going through a Deletion process. Are they serious?
00:32	_2cool4me4_	yep
00:32	VanessaE	yes they are
00:32	VanessaE	fucking deletionists.
00:32	_2cool4me4_	Why doesn'
00:32	_2cool4me4_	t Minecraft get deleted?
00:32	VanessaE	did you read the argument in the actual deletion page?
00:33	Keegann	whats the link
00:33	VanessaE	_2cool4me4_: oh, because they're commercial and big and got lots of media coverage, etc.
00:33	Guy12	Ive read it all.
00:33	VanessaE	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Minetest
00:33	VanessaE	WP will never see another edit from me.
00:33	VanessaE	I give up on their bullshit rules.
00:34	Guy12	Vanessa, It may not be deleted.
00:34	Keegann	whats gonna be delted
00:34	VanessaE	Keegann: read the link I just gave
00:34	Keegann	i did
00:35	VanessaE	Guy12: it'll be deleted.
00:35	VanessaE	once the deletionists dig in their heels, the article is fucked
00:35	VanessaE	G*d damn little fiefdoms.
00:36	Guy12	It does look like it. I also saw your violation expression again John.
00:36	Guy12	*Against
00:37	VanessaE	I assumed.
00:37	VanessaE	If they wanna pull out the rules card, so will I.
00:38	Guy12	Also labeling Celeron55 as a single purpose account. Did he actually create an account?
00:38	VanessaE	yes
00:39	Guy12	I looked at Johns history and apparently he asked an Administrator whether Minetest is actually subject for any actions.
00:39	Keegann	who wants to delte it?
00:40	VanessaE	Keegann: some random WP user who already said once that he isn't an admin.
00:40	_2cool4me4_	no one from the community
00:40	Keegann	fudge him
00:40	Guy12	A few people Keegann.
00:40	Keegann	all of them
00:40	VanessaE	Keegann: Don't say fudge.  If you gotta use the "F" word, go for the gold.
00:40	OldCoder	VanessaE, way to adult
00:40	OldCoder
00:40	Keegann	FUCK the retards
00:41	VanessaE	OldCoder: I was quoting a movie :-)
00:41	Guy12	John, TheSpecialUser, ItsZippy (Wikipedia Administrator) and some Serge guy/.
00:41	_2cool4me4_	I like the internet better than real life. if there's any drama, you can quit.
00:41	Guy12	They all want it deleted.
00:41	OldCoder	VanessaE, stay awake
00:41	Keegann	do they have a channel?
00:41	VanessaE	Keegann: no.
00:43	Guy12	Vanessa, I think you have 7 days to improve the article and the discussion may be closed for being false to the current state.
00:43	VanessaE	Guy12: we've been trying to improve it.
00:43	VanessaE	But Wikipedia's rules regarding sources are too strict.
00:43	VanessaE	even the AUTHOR of the game isn't a reliable source.
00:44	_2cool4me4_	No, because he is biased toward the game
00:44	Guy12	^^^
00:44	* VanessaE	shrugs
00:44	VanessaE	everyone has some kind of bias
00:44	_2cool4me4_	yep
00:45	Guy12	Why dont we all just respond with Keep?
00:45	_2cool4me4_	they'll label us as SPA
00:45	VanessaE	Guy12: WP:SPA, WP:!Vote
00:45	Guy12	Damn.
00:45	VanessaE	er, how's that other one go..
00:45	Guy12	?
00:46	VanessaE	(anyway it means these kinds of discussions are not democracies.  they're bureaucracies)
00:47	Guy12	Why not back up your comments with policies instead of saying minecraft is notable etc. Maybe policies could swing it our way!
00:47	VanessaE	I tried.
00:47	VanessaE	somehow I'm turning the argument back on someone else.
00:47	VanessaE	fuck 'em all, I give up.
00:48	Keegann	i dont even want to look at the page... ts so ugly
00:48	Guy12	Get ruben and everyone else you know who have accounts to comment. You dont have to continue, just get them to.
00:48	* VanessaE	shrugs.  won't do any good.
00:49	Guy12	Well, why not take your concern of John to a place on Wikipedia like a noticeboard. If they find in your favour, the AfD may be closed.
00:50	VanessaE	what good will it do?  I'm a nobody.
00:50	Guy12	You have a long editing period. More than John. They will take you over John.
00:52	Guy12	Just try. You never win unless you try.
00:52	cy1	hey, anyone want to try out my server?
00:52	cy1	it's verge.info.tm 6989
00:53	VanessaE	no they won't.  TSU is show more important than me, and his edits only go back to May of this year.
00:53	VanessaE	explain that?
00:53	VanessaE	s/show/some/
00:53	VanessaE	somehow* even
00:53	VanessaE	"important" is the wrong word there.
00:54	VanessaE	more valued I guess.  you get the point.
00:54	Guy12	Well reviewing the log, Everyone is supporting John more than you and his edits go back to last month/Late July.
00:57	Guy12	Someone just made an edit to Minetest and it was reverted by John within a minute.
00:57	_2cool4me4_	can we see what the edit was?
00:58	Guy12	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Minetest&diff=511463003&oldid=511451722
00:58	Guy12	IT was aimed at Minecraft, but still. Why was there such a quick response?
00:59	VanessaE	he's probably 'watch'ing the article.
00:59	Guy12	But why?
00:59	VanessaE	dunno
00:59	VanessaE	he said he would "monitor it closely" before.
00:59	VanessaE	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Vanessaezekowitz
01:00	Guy12	Search the text using search, I see it.
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01:02	VanessaE	even that "admin" doesn't go as far back as I do.
01:03	Guy12	Which? ItsZippy?
01:03	VanessaE	(Kudpung that is)
01:03	Guy12	Oh, Well why dont you run for Admin?
01:03	VanessaE	Zippy doesn't go as far back either.
01:03	VanessaE	what's the point?  I'm not admin material.
01:04	VanessaE	I don't have a good memory for thousands of rules
01:05	Guy12	Vanessa, just act like you do for the request. Then after is MInetest has problems with users, You could secretly use your powers to resolve them.
01:05	VanessaE	I'm not like that.
01:05	Guy12	Your loss.
01:06	VanessaE	I don't do or approve of that kind of thing - I'd be as bad as they are.
01:06	Guy12	I can guarantee that TheSpecialUser and John will run for Admin when they reach 9 or so months of work.
01:08	Guy12	And if Minetest is still on Wikipedia at the time, it will be screwed for sure.
01:11	Guy12	So Vanessa, Given up on Wikipedia? Or are you staying until the AfD ends?
01:12	VanessaE	I dunno, maybe I'll stick around, but no one should expect any further edits from me on any subject.
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01:13	Guy12	I wonder what ruben will do when he logs onto Wikipedia to see Minetest at AfD.
01:14	VanessaE	good question.
01:14	Guy12	You going to let ruben find out, or are you going to tell ruben?
01:16	VanessaE	it's already been mentioned on the relevant forum thread
01:16	VanessaE	so I'm sure he'll find out next time he gets on the forum
01:18	Guy12	I think if Celeron did not comment, the deletion would not be as it is. Also its weird John went and found all of the 'Keep' voters on the forum and site.
01:18	VanessaE	yup.  he strikes me as being non-neutral on this subject.
01:19	VanessaE	why does he care so much?
01:19	Guy12	I dont know. How did he find the article in the first place anyway?
01:21	Guy12	Why not ask him?
01:22	VanessaE	maybe you can ask him on his talk page?  I'm not likely to get a truthful answer from him.
01:22	VanessaE	( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:John_F._Lewis )
01:23	Guy12	Why would he answer to me? Its not my concern to be fair.
01:24	VanessaE	true
01:24	Guy12	Just ask and see his response.
01:26	cy1	hmm, maybe I am coming off as too needy
01:26	VanessaE	done.
01:26	VanessaE	cy1: what?
01:26	cy1	hey everyone, don't under any circumstances join my server at verge.info.tm 6989 it is for elite people only
01:26	VanessaE	Guy12: asked.
01:26	cy1	`-`
01:26	VanessaE	cy1: haha
01:27	Guy12	Alright. Wait for a response.
01:32	M13	Is there anyone that can cross compile here?
01:32	VanessaE	M13: no, no one would EVER do anything crazy like that
01:32	VanessaE	:)
01:32	M13	:(
01:32	M13	I need someone to compile my fork for Windows
01:33	M13	I dont Have Windows
01:33	Guy12	Got a response Vanessa?
01:33	M13	btw: what Linux distro do you run Vanessa?
01:34	VanessaE	apparently so.. *looks*
01:34	VanessaE	M13: I use Xubuntu 12.04.
01:34	M13	oo
01:35	M13	It had a Rainbow Window boarder so i was confused
01:35	VanessaE	oh ho ho..
01:35	VanessaE	"I see no reason why you really need to know, but I came across it at a place called Recent Changes. John F. Lewis (talk) 01:29, 9 September 2012 (UTC)"
01:36	OldCoder
01:37	OldCoder	Attention. A website relevant to this channel will be linked in about half an hour. Lurk to receive the link.
01:37	OldCoder
01:37	NakedFury	lurking
01:38	* VanessaE	lurks.
01:42	cy1	ATTENTION I AM LURKING
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01:42	cy1	JUST SO EVERYONE KNOWS
01:43	cy1	LURKING HERE
01:43	cy1	YUP
01:43	* VanessaE	idles loudly
01:43	NakedFury	yup lurking, nothing more keep going
01:48	leo_rockway	reminds me of idlerpg
01:48	leo_rockway	I think there's one here in freenode.
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02:02	NekoGloop	Gooood evening
02:04	Keegann	hey
02:05	cy1	NekoGloop: I put gloopblocks on it ._.
02:05	NekoGloop	You looked at the logs? ;)
02:06	NekoGloop	Or are we not talking about the same thing?
02:08	cy1	no I'm talking about my server reset. Wanted to get the fancy ores and actually fix mapgen, and nobody was building on it anyway.
02:09	cy1	I don't think you had built anything on it.
02:09	OldCoder
02:09	OldCoder	This is nowhere near done. But it's a start.
02:09	OldCoder	http://landmine.wikidot.com/
02:09	OldCoder
02:10	NekoGloop	I didnt build at all lol
02:10	NekoGloop	gloopores?
02:11	cy1	yeah, and gloopblocks
02:11	cy1	OldCoder: that's a lot of dox o.O
02:11	OldCoder	I can't take the credit
02:11	OldCoder	I only did some of it
02:11	OldCoder	Sources must remain nameless
02:12	OldCoder	However
02:12	OldCoder	I am rather good...
02:12	OldCoder	at putting pieces together
02:12	OldCoder	We will see if it is necessary
02:12	OldCoder
02:12	NekoGloop	cy1: Also add cactusmod. Please? :3 will add some element of survival.
02:13	cy1	NekoGloop: cactusmod? And mobs kill my performance.
02:14	VanessaE	cactusmod is installed on my setup already
02:14	NekoGloop	Not mobs, but abm to damage player when contacting a cactus. Also adds cactus fruit and cactus clubs.
02:14	Keegann	im famous again! :)
02:14	VanessaE	but if you install v0.0.3, you'll need to fix a typo
02:14	NekoGloop	In what?
02:14	NekoGloop	I have no problems with cactusmod locally.
02:15	cy1	nah, damaging cactuses are dumb
02:15	NekoGloop	What was my typo?
02:15	NekoGloop	cy1: So you can walk into a cactus irl and not be harmed?
02:16	cy1	NekoGloop: irl I can't dig a basement without being harmed. :c
02:17	NekoGloop	True xD
02:18	cy1	I'll use mobs as soon as someone figures out a way to make them disappear when outside of active block range, but not destroy the ones people capture to domesticate.
02:19	NakedFury	oldcoder this is priceless
02:19	OldCoder	Hmm
02:19	OldCoder	Really?
02:19	* OldCoder	is pleased
02:19	OldCoder	How did my sources and I do?
02:19	OldCoder	They deserve the credit not me
02:20	Keegann	the best part is me right?
02:20	OldCoder	Yes
02:20	OldCoder	You were so cool
02:20	OldCoder	:p
02:20	NakedFury	man but but but this is like a super passive griefing artform
02:20	* OldCoder	chuckles
02:20	OldCoder	It's just the beginning
02:20	NakedFury	wow
02:20	OldCoder	Even if he faked everything
02:20	NakedFury	its like a story
02:20	OldCoder	I can get his RL identity
02:20	VanessaE	NekoGloop: spawning.lua, line 88, there's a typo in a function used there that for me causes the game to crash rather unceremoniously
02:20	* NekoGloop	gives oldcoder, keegann, and oldcoder's sources cookies
02:21	NekoGloop	VanessaE: My cactusmod has no such "spawning.lua"
02:21	* OldCoder	accepts on everybody's behalf
02:21	VanessaE	yours is old then
02:21	VanessaE	as usual ;)
02:21	NekoGloop	No...
02:21	OldCoder	VanessaE, PM if OK
02:21	VanessaE	I just downloaded this one a few mins ago
02:21	NekoGloop	I'm talking about MY cactusmod, the one I made?
02:23	RealBadAngel	OldCoder, have you tried YOUR music mod?
02:23	OldCoder	RealBadAngel, which one?
02:23	RealBadAngel	you converted
02:23	OldCoder	RealBadAngel, I am so exhausted
02:23	OldCoder	RealBadAngel, Will you discuss Open Music with me again soon?
02:24	VanessaE	neko, I'm talking about sapier's
02:24	OldCoder	That is my request
02:24	NekoGloop	Sapier's is growingcactus, mine is cactusmod lol
02:24	RealBadAngel	i cant because im not author
02:24	RealBadAngel	i have just authout agreement
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02:26	RealBadAngel	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AILyujYsCnU&feature=plcp
02:26	RealBadAngel	start at 0:30
02:27	NekoGloop	RealBadAngel: Are you at least -working- on technic?
02:27	NekoGloop	Btw better than wolves minecraft mod has 1.3.2 update. :D
02:27	RealBadAngel	bet?
02:28	NekoGloop	Better than wolves, i consider it to be a low-level technical mod
02:28	RealBadAngel	fuck the rest
02:28	Guest50757	thats awesome
02:28	RealBadAngel	bet with me
02:29	RealBadAngel	gloopish vs angelish
02:29	RealBadAngel	up to?
02:29	NekoGloop	Its not my mod
02:29	NekoGloop	Its a minecraft mod lol
02:30	NekoGloop	You brought up that no technical mc mods had 1.3.2 updates a few days back
02:30	RealBadAngel	im not playin mc for 2 months
02:30	RealBadAngel	like
02:30	Keegann	who is <i4slyi
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02:31	Mikeonline	h
02:31	Mikeonline	i
02:31	Mikeonline	i just updated to 0.4.3. is there a bug that creative mode doesnt work anymore?
02:32	cy1	Mikeonline: creative mode got changed a lot... not sure why it'd not be working though.
02:32	Mikeonline	but its right it doesnt work?
02:33	cy1	No it works for me.
02:33	Mikeonline	hm
02:33	NekoGloop	Clicking the buttons fails to change the pages == lag
02:33	cy1	shows a list of all thingies on the left, and a normal inventory on the right
02:33	Mikeonline	i set:
02:33	cy1	yeah, that's odd lag...
02:33	Mikeonline	# Set to true to enable creative mode (unlimited inventory)
02:33	Mikeonline	creative_mode = true
02:34	Mikeonline	is it still opened over I for all items?
02:35	cy1	yes
02:35	Mikeonline	hm
02:35	Mikeonline	it shows nothing for me :( just the default items
02:37	Guest50757	mc sucks
02:37	RealBadAngel	NekoGloop, updates comin sooon
02:38	RealBadAngel	im not releasin code im not quite sure of
02:38	VanessaE	Guest50757: most of us would agree to some extent
02:38	Guest50757	VanessaE: what dont you like about it
02:39	cy1	Mikeonline: you set it in ~/.minetest/minetest.conf right? On the server?
02:40	VanessaE	Guest50757: it's commercial.  it's not open source.  The overall feel of the game (based on videos) is too complex
02:40	VanessaE	(I like simple games with a clean interface - MC's interface is crowded)
02:40	Mikeonline	in /home/game/mt/minetest/minetest.conf
02:41	Mikeonline	./minetestserver --config /home/game/mt/minetest/minetest.conf --gameid minetest_game --world /home/game/mt/minetest/world/first1
02:41	Guest50757	true
02:42	Mikeonline	so it should work?
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02:55	VanessaE	Mikeonline: you can give --worldname instead of --world and then use just the name, and you don't need to give the game id
02:55	VanessaE	./minetestserver --config /home/game/mt/minetest/minetest.conf --worldname first1
02:58	Mikeonline	VanessaE: then it doesnt find the world in /bin
02:59	VanessaE	well in that case use the command you gave :-)
02:59	Mikeonline	:P
02:59	Mikeonline	but creative mode still doesnt work :D
03:00	Mikeonline	i will figure it out tomorrow.. its 5 am :D
03:03	Mikeonline	good nighti
03:05	Mikeonline	VanessaE: btw party part two of three is over :D
03:05	Mikeonline	n8
03:06	VanessaE	party?
03:06	Mikeonline	wedding shit
03:06	Mikeonline	u know :D
03:07	VanessaE	oh yes
03:07	VanessaE	I forgot :)
03:07	Mikeonline	;)
03:07	Mikeonline	so good nighty
03:07	VanessaE	good night
03:07	Guest50757	do i need to download something else for the sounds in minetest to work
03:08	VanessaE	Guest50757: you need OpenAL I think
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03:08	VanessaE	at least for windows
03:08	VanessaE	(linux builds already have sound)
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03:58	OWNSyouAll	and the minecraft servers are down i guess time to work on the minetest server
04:00	VanessaE	it's always time to work on minetest instead of minecraft
04:07	OldCoder	Indeed
04:07	OldCoder	Those people are not very friendly
04:08	NakedFury	what people?
04:08	NekoGloop	Meow
04:08	OldCoder	MC
04:08	OldCoder	Meow back
04:08	NakedFury	the irc servers are never about MC
04:08	NakedFury	its more like mega off topic
04:08	OldCoder	Yes I believe you are right
04:09	NekoGloop	Mega off topic without me?
04:09	NekoGloop	Impossibru
04:09	OldCoder	You can have that here
04:09	NakedFury	officla use is off topic disscusions with few on topic
04:09	NakedFury	official
04:10	NekoGloop	Official use: griefers' planning zone
04:10	NekoGloop	Mc == griefers
04:10	NakedFury	jaja
04:10	NakedFury	they have more protection on that area
04:10	* VanessaE	looks at NekoGloop.  meow.
04:10	NakedFury	and because you need an account it is easier to deal with
04:11	NekoGloop	Yet people can get giftcodes
04:11	NekoGloop	Which if anyone wants to get me something for my birthday, that would work.
04:16	NekoGloop	Well dat killed the chat
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04:31	VanessaE	ok time fo rbed
04:33	NekoGloop	Lol
04:33	VanessaE	see? Ican't even type straight anymore
04:33	NekoGloop	LOL
04:33	* VanessaE	rnamdoly rtansposse some lettres just to make it seme wroes than it is
04:34	VanessaE	;)
04:35	NekoGloop	I noticed
04:35	VanessaE	night :-)
04:36	NekoGloop	Night
04:39	khonkhortisan	aoeu hello to you
04:45	NekoGloop	Hello khon
04:47	khonkhortisan	wah ebay doesn't allow #####-#### zip codes
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04:54	NekoGloop	Because you want to use one
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05:01	khonkhortisan	hello
05:20	khonkhortisan	there's the problem, I was using the name of the node for both functions when I should've been using the name of the node for mesecon:is_conductor and the node itself for mesecon:conductor_get_rules
05:20	khonkhortisan	that's where the nil came from
05:21	celeron55	haha, single purpose account my ass
05:22	celeron55	i've edited wikipedia (did that on friday), but i've just never created an account for that; now though to make one just to have a proper handle for people to refer to
05:22	celeron55	s/on friday/for example on friday too/
05:22	celeron55	s/though/thought/
05:23	celeron55	well whatever, i'll not get involved with that anymore; somebody copy the article so it doesn't get completely lost
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05:23	khonkhortisan	s/c5/celeron5/
05:24	khonkhortisan	that's all I'm concerned about is loss of article data
05:24	ecube	you should remove the #minetest-wiki reference in the topic, the #minetest-wiki channel is unused
05:25		Topic for #minetest is now Please be patient when asking questions; someone may not be around. | Main website: http://minetest.net | Development channel: #minetest-delta
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05:26	M13	hellp
05:26	M13	hello*
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06:17	sfan5	<celeron55> well whatever, i'll not get involved with that anymore; somebody copy the article so it doesn't get completely lost
06:17	sfan5	i already did that
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07:23	hmmmm	hmmmm
07:23	hmmmm	does minetest have vines like in minecraft?
07:23	hmmmm	and what's the state of the fences that blend with other nodes?
07:24	Calinou	hmmmm, it doesn't
07:24	Calinou	my moreblocks mod adds ropes you can craft
07:24	Calinou	they don't spawn naturally, too
07:24	Calinou	hmmmm, see xfences mod by xyz
07:24	hmmmm	okay
07:24	hmmmm	so i assume i can just modify the rope with a vine graphic and it'd work just as well
07:24	Calinou	it adds fences with better collisions and which connect to blocks: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2127
07:25	Calinou	yeah :P
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07:25	Calinou	in misa's pack they look like vines
07:25	hmmmm	i wonder why that mod isn't part of the default...
07:31	* Calinou	saves local copy of wikipedia page
07:31	Calinou	john fuck lewis is out
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07:33	Calinou	http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Minetest_creative_mode.png
07:33	Calinou	VanessaE, looks like I can't upload a new version of that
07:34	Calinou	(removed window border)
07:36	hmmmm	i don't like the new default water, grass and dirt textures
07:36	hmmmm	they're too dark or something
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07:36	Calinou	they're ok
07:37	Calinou	here's the image anyway without window borders: http://ompldr.org/vZmY3cw/750px-Minetest_creative_mode.png
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08:12	cy1	Calinou: hey I was supposed to tell you about that thing
08:12	cy1	that...
08:12	cy1	uh...
08:12	Calinou	cy1, what thing?
08:13	cy1	I forgot ;_;
08:14	cy1	oh!
08:14	cy1	Calinou: corner stairs
08:14	cy1	like a slab with a quarter of a slab on top.
08:14	cy1	Makes spiral staircases easier.
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08:15	cy1	Just an idea I had, and VanessaE told me to mention to you.
08:15	Calinou	could be useful, yeah
08:15	cerjam2	Calinou.
08:15	cerjam2	you come from #minecraft.
08:15	Calinou	yes
08:15	Calinou	poor guy wants to troll me
08:15	cerjam2	i already did that, dont worry
08:15	Calinou	cy1, I remember the guy above, he's a troll :P
08:15	cerjam2	i am not
08:15	Calinou	french troll
08:16	cerjam2	i just enjoy screwing with you, you were rather whiney to me
08:16	cy1	cerjam2: that's pretty much the definition of troll...
08:17	cerjam2	oh i went far past troll on this guy
08:17	* Calinou	gets to modding
08:17	wei2912	Calinou, nice trolling
08:17	cerjam2	i /think/ you were trying to get me zlined. maybe it wasnt you.
08:17	Calinou	no
08:17	wei2912	cerjam2: lol
08:17	wei2912	zlined is for the server
08:17	cerjam2	somebody in there really got pissed off
08:17	cerjam2	at my haxory
08:17	cerjam2	lmfao
08:18	cerjam2	all for asking for a flipping minecraft.jar file.
08:18	cerjam2	sad.
08:18	wei2912	trolls are not allowed!
08:18	wei2912	VanessaE, feel free to ban
08:18	wei2912	lol
08:18	cerjam2	i'll troll you, BOI.
08:18	wei2912	have fun celeron55
08:18	wei2912	sry
08:19	wei2912	have fun cerjam2
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08:43	PilzAdam	Hello everyone!
08:43	cosarara97	hi
08:43	cerjam2	wazzzup
08:43	PilzAdam	who are you?
08:44	cerjam2	i am some random idiot whos tumbled in here randomly
08:44	cerjam2	and thought minetest was neat.
08:44	PilzAdam	minetest is awesome
08:45	cosarara97	(if your computer can run it at more than 15 fps)
08:45	PilzAdam	~300 FPS
08:45	cosarara97	~8 FPS :)
08:46	cerjam2	how do i tell fps
08:46	PilzAdam	hit F6 until there is a line "FPS ="
08:47	cerjam2	57
08:47	cosarara97	it's in the title bar
08:47	cerjam2	oh wow
08:47	cerjam2	im stupid
08:47	cerjam2	lmfao
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08:57	cerjam2	Calinou.
08:57	cerjam2	waddup
08:58	Calinou	ignore'd
08:58	Calinou	hi
08:58	cerjam2	.. well fuck you then
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09:02	thexyz	hm, i guess, there was an article about minetest in russian magazine called Linux Format
09:07	thexyz	this — http://i.imgur.com/XRMzS.png
09:08	PilzAdam	its russian...
09:10	thexyz	http://www.linuxformat.com/archives?issue=152
09:18	thexyz	well, here's english version of that article http://i.imgur.com/FDAhu.png
09:19	thexyz	> Linux Format was the UK's first Linux-specific magazine, and is currently the best-selling Linux title in the UK.
09:19	thexyz	Can then be counted as "notable source"?
09:19	PilzAdam	yes
09:20	thexyz	well, then somebody should add that to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Minetest#Minetest
09:24	PilzAdam	can you post it in the forums in the Minetest wikipedia topic?
09:26	thexyz	posted
09:26	Calinou	http://paste.ubuntu.com/1194305/
09:26	Calinou	mod issue
09:26	Calinou	creating shapeless recipe doesn't work :/
09:27	PilzAdam	"_bottom" .. " 2" <- why? you can use "_bottom 2"
09:28	Calinou	haha right
09:29	Calinou	still doesn't work though
09:31	PilzAdam	it should... i dont see any mistake
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09:42	wei2912	theTroy, thanks for telling me
09:42	wei2912	sry wrong person
09:42	wei2912	thexyz, thanks for giving that link
09:42	wei2912	i'm going to help out
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09:53	theTroy	wei2912: D: I feel so let down now
09:53	theTroy	j/k
09:53	wei2912	theTroy, sry lol
09:59	wei2912	thexyz, commente
09:59	wei2912	thexyz, commented
10:01	cerjam2	anyone need webhosting
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10:15	Calinou	nevermind; I changed the recipe so that it doesn't use shapeless recipes (it is a whole different concept now)
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10:55	Calinou	http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2092
10:55	Calinou	stairs+ update out
10:55	Calinou	approximately 12509 new features.
10:58	wei2912	Calinou, thanks
10:59	Calinou	in my debian VM this is the output of free -m:
10:59	Calinou	Mem:          2012        666       1346          0         33        259
10:59	Calinou	lmao
10:59	Calinou	666MB ram used :)
10:59	wei2912	Calinou, is it a conflict of "stairs"?
10:59	Calinou	no, it works fine
10:59	Calinou	you just put the stairsplus folder in your mods folder
10:59	wei2912	Calinou, can i delete stairs?
11:00	Calinou	however, any and all placed stairs get converted to stairsplus stairs (so that they make sounds when stepped on)
11:00	Calinou	no, you should not
11:00	Calinou	it might or might not work. not tested
11:00	Calinou	it is a dependancy
11:00	thexyz	will corner-placed stairs auto convert to corner stairs?
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11:02	PilzAdam	how many stairs+ mods are there?
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11:04	Calinou	https://github.com/calinou/minetest_mods < the email thingie worked :D
11:05	jordach	Calinou, using git push or Git for WIndows?
11:06	Calinou	git push
11:07	Calinou	why would I use git for winblows...
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11:22	Guy12	Greetings.
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11:22	PilzAdam	hi
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11:22	Guy12	Hey Ruben
11:26	rubenwardy	hi
11:26	Guy12	Seen Wikipedia Ruben?
11:29	rubenwardy	yes, i made the article
11:30	Guy12	I mean, Today/Yesterday.
11:31	rubenwardy	damn AfD
11:31	rubenwardy	marked for debate about speedy deletion
11:31	Guy12	Unfortunately.
11:31	PilzAdam	i made a copy of the article code
11:32	rubenwardy	me too
11:32	rubenwardy	we will continue to develop it on my sandbox, if it is deleted
11:33	Guy12	And if we put it back in the namespace and an Editor feels  the article is still bad, It can be speedy deleted.
11:34	Guy12	Ruben, Why not go and put your opinion on the AfD?
11:35	rubenwardy	i am
11:35	rubenwardy	#minetest-wiki
11:36	Guy12	Minetest-wiki?
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11:39	rubenwardy	chat room
11:40	Guy12	Ok
11:42	Guy12	Its also weird how almost every Delete participate is attempting to prove all of the keeps are wrong by searching them on the Forum and Wiki.
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11:52	rubenwardy	ikr
11:57	Guy12	Ruben, I think you just got tagged on the discussion.
11:59	rubenwardy	yep
12:06	Guy12	John seems to be replying and tagging fast.
12:07	rubenwardy	he does
12:12	Guy12	The AfD is not really a deletion discussion, But much rather a Policy accusations against John and Serge.
12:13	rubenwardy	lol
12:13	Guy12	If people have problems, why not take the police issue to disputes or AN.
12:17	Guy12	Rube, Why not take the policies issues to the Dispute or AN?
12:17	rubenwardy	i dont know how
12:18	Guy12	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:AN
12:18	Guy12	Or
12:18	Guy12	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:Disputes
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12:21	Calinou	poor wikipedia fanboy comes in this channel
12:21	Guy12	Who?
12:23	cerjam2	http://www.element14.com/community/thread/19684?tstart=0
12:23	cerjam2	ohgawd.
12:23	cerjam2	just what i wnat to do.
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12:25	Mikeonline	hi
12:26	PilzAdam	hi
12:26	rubenwardy	which fanboy?
12:26	Mikeonline	hm creative_mode = true still isnt recognized anymore
12:33	Calinou	rubenwardy, Guy12 :P
12:33	* Calinou	added a comment, btw
12:34	Guy12	How am I?
12:34	Calinou	seriously; wikipedia wars like this are pointless; I feel like playing L4D2 (even though I never actually played it)
12:34	Calinou	Guy12, who are you on wikipedia?
12:35	Guy12	I am no one. I am just a user who saw the minetest article from the forum and I find the deleteion stupid.
12:35	Guy12	*deletion
12:37	Calinou	ah, ok :)
12:37	Calinou	same. wikipedia has this deletionism problem since forever
12:37	Calinou	the only way is force, apparently
12:38	rubenwardy	yeah. I am hardly a fan boy
12:38	rubenwardy	only created two articles...
12:38	Mikeonline	PilzAdam: is the mod creative needed in 0.4.3 to support the creative_mode flag?
12:39	Guy12	Every time someone comments 'Keep', John or Serge is there saying Conflict of interest or proving something.
12:39	PilzAdam	Mikeonline, yes
12:39	Mikeonline	hm and in 0.4.3 creative mod seems to be missing isnt it?
12:39	cy1	Guy12: what deletion? What's AFd?
12:39	PilzAdam	Mikeonline, https://github.com/celeron55/minetest_game/tree/master/mods/creative
12:40	Guy12	Articles for deletion. The Minetest article is going through an AfD.
12:40	Mikeonline	PilzAdam: yes thats what i found, but its not in the stable package :(
12:40	rubenwardy	creative inventory is better than creative
12:41	Mikeonline	hm i dont know the difference. i had 0.4.1 installed and updated to 0.4.3 yesterday. now creative_mode = true doesnt give me inventory
12:42	PilzAdam	Mikeonline, you are right; seems to be a mistake by celeron55
12:42	Mikeonline	so the switch does not work because "creative" is missing in minetest-game/mods?
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12:43	Mikeonline	can i combine it from github and stable just by copying it there?
12:43	PilzAdam	yes
12:43	Mikeonline	ok i'll try it
12:43	PilzAdam	you can donwload minetest_game and override the old
12:46	Guy12	So if the article goes, What you going to do?
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12:47	rubenwardy	develop it in my sandbox then remake it
12:48	Mikeonline	PilzAdam: thanks it did it. it was missing in the stable branch
12:48	PilzAdam	Mikeonline, you should tell c55 that it is missing
12:48	Guy12	Knowing Wikipedia, they will speedy delete it once remade.
12:49	rubenwardy	not if it is better than ever
12:49	Guy12	Going to add more sources?
12:50	Mikeonline	PilzAdam: is it save for the leveldata if i update all mods to head?
12:50	PilzAdam	Mikeonline, yes, should be
12:50	Keegan1	does anyone have window PM me
12:50	PilzAdam	??
12:51	Mikeonline	PilzAdam: ok i wrote him
12:51	Keegan1	windows 7
12:51	Mikeonline	"should" ;)
12:51	jordach	Keegan1, windows xp compiles work on 7, vista
12:51	PilzAdam	Mikeonline, 99.9%
12:51	jordach	but if done onm 7 - wont work for vista and xp
12:51	Mikeonline	so the engine head would be much more riskfulß
12:51	Mikeonline	ß
12:51	Mikeonline	?
12:52	PilzAdam	not realy
12:52	Guy12	Ruben what would you do if you did recreate it but it got speedy deleted?
12:53	PilzAdam	can someone make a animated texture for fire? I want to add it to my minetest_game fork
12:57	rubenwardy	do it again
12:58	rubenwardy	(to Guy12 that was)
12:58	Guy12	I know a friend who did that, He then got blocked from Wikipedia indefinitely for recreating deleted pages.
12:59	rubenwardy	oh right
13:01	PilzAdam	https://github.com/PilzAdam/minetest_game/commit/4c2a45ab3f17591f0fd3471acf35c2cb4e7da1ab
13:01	Calinou	Guy12, and this is why we invented alts and dynamic IPs
13:02	Guy12	So you will be creating a new account to deal with the creation?
13:02	rubenwardy	in bbcode, what is [tag]?
13:02	rubenwardy	yep
13:03	Guy12	That would be classed as Socking.
13:03	Calinou	sure, I also should abide to US law and software patents
13:03	Calinou	</sarcasm>
13:04	rubenwardy	where is the opening tag?
13:05	rubenwardy	<sarcasm size="50">
13:15	Calinou	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Sergecross73 and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:John_F._Lewis -- as you can see, both of them are deletionist university morons
13:15	Mikeonline	PilzAdam: now minetest-game 0.4.3 stable is up2date
13:16	Calinou	they can go back to their porn articles
13:16	PilzAdam	Mikeonline, i saw it
13:16	Guy12	One shows all of his AfD stats, the other just says he contributes to AfD. Both seem to be so.
13:17	rubenwardy	89% Are we in the 11%?
13:18	Calinou	O_o
13:18	rubenwardy	well liked user... vandallised 15 times
13:18	rubenwardy	might increment that number
13:19	Calinou	haha
13:25	Guy12	You should ruben.
13:27	Keegann	is there a way to change font in minetest or color
13:27	PilzAdam	yes
13:28	Keegann	how
13:28	PilzAdam	idk
13:28	PilzAdam	but there is one
13:28	* Calinou	changed his wikipedia signature
13:29	Keegann	what was the way to run a server on windows?
13:29	Calinou	Keegann, yes, but all the text will be colored
13:29	Keegann	yes that what i want
13:29	Calinou	Keegann, just start minetest in the "advanced" menu with no IP address
13:29	Calinou	this will start a server
13:29	Calinou	(closes itself once you quit the game)
13:29	Calinou	Keegann, change the color of fontlucida.png in textures/base/pack
13:30	Calinou	don't touch the red/yellow dots in that image though
13:30	Calinou	and MAKE A BACKUP
13:32	PilzAdam	because the default control for descent in fly mode is shift, there can be the E key used to fly fast, like walking fast with E
13:32	PilzAdam	what do you think?
13:33	rubenwardy	texture
13:33	rubenwardy	folder
13:33	rubenwardy	what Calinou said
13:33	rubenwardy	you can use a tool in the Irrlicht SDK to make it
13:35	Calinou	saved local copy of the wikipedia article in a .txt file
13:35	rubenwardy	PilzAdam, +1
13:35	rubenwardy	we have all done that :D
13:36	rubenwardy	if it is deleted, i will develop it on my sandbox page, and submit to AfC
13:36	rubenwardy	you can all access my sandbox page
13:37	Guy12	Ruben, John contributes to AfC too...
13:38	rubenwardy	i know
13:40	Guy12	When you submit, I am assume it will go here? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Minetest
13:42	rubenwardy	yes
13:43	Guy12	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:ItsZippy#Minetest <-- John asked ItsZippy if deletion was appropriate and ItsZippy was the first delete vote.
13:44	jordach	university degrees do not give you a royal right on the internet
13:44	rubenwardy	novice
13:44	PilzAdam	rubenwardy, https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/issues/246
13:44	rubenwardy	yeah
13:45	rubenwardy	what is the command to change my name to rubenwardy|OFF ?
13:45	jordach	./nick rubenwardy|OFF
13:46	PilzAdam	dont do this
13:46	jordach	or use /away <reason>
13:47	Guy12	I have to go now, Cya.
13:48	rubenwardy	what does /away do?
13:48	PilzAdam	mark you as awy
13:48	PilzAdam	*away
13:48	rubenwardy	/back ?
13:48	PilzAdam	idk
13:49	PilzAdam	i have xchat and can just click away or back ;-)
13:49	Calinou	highfive for xchat
13:49	* PilzAdam	highfives Calinou
13:49	Calinou	rubenwardy, it looks like the IRC is dead
13:49	Calinou	the wikipedia one
13:50	Calinou	maybe you should remove it from the topic
13:50	Calinou	http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2876
13:50	rubenwardy	ok
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13:50	PilzAdam	hi RealBadAngel
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13:51	rubenwardy	sorted
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13:55	NekoGloop	Hello world of minetest
13:55	Calinou	hi
13:55	PilzAdam	hi
13:55	NekoGloop	What wonders have you accomplished in my absence? ;)
13:55	PilzAdam	https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/issues/246
13:56	PilzAdam	https://github.com/PilzAdam/minetest_game/commit/4c2a45ab3f17591f0fd3471acf35c2cb4e7da1ab
13:56	Calinou	let me test
13:57	Calinou	https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/issues/246
13:57	Calinou	what do you mean?
13:57	Calinou	I can run fast/fly fast just fine
13:57	Calinou	my Use key is R
13:58	PilzAdam	to walk fast you have to press the use key
13:58	PilzAdam	i want the same for flying
13:58	PilzAdam	if you want to fly short distances fast its annoying to type j then fly and then type j again
13:59	Calinou	it'd be of if it is optional
13:59	Calinou	I like the default behavior
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13:59	PilzAdam	it would be same as walking fast; if you dont like it you dont have to use it
13:59	NekoGloop	Calinou: "micro"blocks?
13:59	PilzAdam	most users dont know how to walk fast
14:00	Calinou	NekoGloop, 1/8th blocks; they can be placed individually and you can use them to /craft/ corner stairs
14:00	NekoGloop	I see.
14:00	Calinou	try putting in crafting grid a cobble block with a stick above
14:01	NekoGloop	Basically half a panel?
14:01	Calinou	:) yes
14:01	NekoGloop	K
14:01	NekoGloop	Hm, you just clogged up even more recipes lol
14:01	NekoGloop	Still will be helpful for making parkour, etc.
14:02	Calinou	also I adjusted selection boxes of stairs
14:02	NekoGloop	Define "inner" and "outer" corner stairs...?
14:04	Calinou	https://dl.dropbox.com/u/82342922/temp/screenshot_8245052.png -- wood: inner, brick: outer
14:04	Calinou	also, as you can see, mese pick has a new texture in misa pack :P
14:04	Calinou	(image might 404; still uploading)
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14:10	PilzAdam	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6njTJp4uUM&amp;feature=channel&amp;list=UL
14:10	NekoGloop	Oh, i understand now
14:11	PilzAdam	good
14:11	PilzAdam	what?
14:14	NekoGloop	Calinou's corner stairs...?
14:30	rubenwardy	so bored...
14:34	NekoGloop	Yes
14:34	NekoGloop	Me too :l
14:34	* PilzAdam	too
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14:42	rubenwardy	lets talk about random stuff
14:43	PilzAdam	whats you fav random generate algorithm?
14:43	rubenwardy	no idea. anyone with a food related name
14:44	rubenwardy	as in any one
14:45	rubenwardy	what is yours?
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14:46	rubenwardy	food mod time...
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14:48	NekoGloop	Meow.
14:48	rubenwardy	bark
14:50	rubenwardy	mw ha ha ha
14:50	PilzAdam	yay: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/commit/c4f400acd01d1951c6355e2eec42d10d0a2d871a
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14:51	jordach	OldCoder, you here>
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14:53	mw_ha_ha_ha	...
14:53	jordach	Landmine IP GET!  jordach bans 189.191.51.101|LanDMinE.
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15:08	OldCoder	Hi
15:08	OldCoder	jordach, yes
15:08	OldCoder	jordach, I am going to add the screenshot to the LandMine site
15:08	Octupus	landmine is the talk of the day XD
15:08	OldCoder	Oh?
15:08	OldCoder	Where
15:08	OldCoder	here?
15:08	OldCoder	Octupus, ^
15:09	Keegann	guys guess what go to #gameboom
15:09	OldCoder	<Octupus> landmine is the talk of the day XD
15:09	OldCoder	Octupus, we are gathering information. Where are you talking about?
15:09	Octupus	idk
15:10	OldCoder	k
15:11	_2cool4me4_	Minetest wiki went down
15:15	thexyz	it works for me
15:15	_2cool4me4_	The channel works fine, but no one is in it
15:15	_2cool4me4_	looks like it's over...
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15:16	Guy12	Back.
15:16	PilzAdam	wb
15:17	Guy12	Is Calinou online at this moment?
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15:17	thexyz	_2cool4me4_: oh, i thought you're talking about wiki.minetest.com
15:17	NekoGloop	crafting is borked in 0.4.3? I cant craft a thing.
15:18	thexyz	i guess neko is broken
15:18	NekoGloop	haha. haha.
15:18	NekoGloop	no seriously.
15:18	NekoGloop	i cant craft anything.
15:18	rubenwardy	no, i exited it
15:19	rubenwardy	because this channel is so empty and no-one was using #minetest-wiki
15:19	NekoGloop	anyone have any idea?
15:19	Guy12	Ruben you may know, Does Calinou have two Wikipedia accounts?
15:19	PilzAdam	redownload
15:20	NekoGloop	redownload?
15:20	NekoGloop	redownload what?
15:20	PilzAdam	everything? idk
15:21	rubenwardy	he does
15:21	rubenwardy	one is accidental
15:21	Guy12	Ah, I see. Ok.
15:22	Calinou	poor Guy12 wants to report me
15:22	Calinou	no
15:22	Calinou	some random frenchie took Calinou
15:23	NekoGloop	wth...
15:23	Guy12	I dont want to report, I was just wondering as there are two which have edited Minetest.
15:24	NekoGloop	oooh i know
15:24	NekoGloop	set the width of the player craftgrid but didnt reset it
15:25	NekoGloop	its good for something, and that something is locking the player out of crafting
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15:27	NekoGloop	thexyz: set_width is borked
15:28	thexyz	wat?
15:28	thexyz	it. just. works
15:28	NekoGloop	the set_width code
15:28	NekoGloop	it disallows the player to craft anything
15:28	NekoGloop	unless it's set to 3, which works
15:28	thexyz	well, if you're using it wrong it's YOUR problem
15:28	thexyz	by default crafting grid's width is 3
15:28	NekoGloop	then tell me how to fix it
15:29	NekoGloop	make it work with 2x2
15:29	thexyz	i can't tell you how to fix that because i don't know what you did
15:29	thexyz	i already posted pastebin link to working 2x2 crafting grid
15:29	thexyz	see logs
15:29	NekoGloop	workbench's 2x2 grid and the line player:get_inventory():set_width("craft", 2)
15:30	thexyz	(19:28:07) thexyz: see logs
15:30	NekoGloop	yeah, where do i find those again?
15:33	thexyz	http://irc.minetest.ru/
15:42	NekoGloop	lol I'm blue on the logs
15:42	PilzAdam	you are red in my Xchat
15:43	NekoGloop	cool
15:43	NekoGloop	as it happens i like red
15:43	_2cool4me4_	Neko is red when I see it in the logs
15:43	NekoGloop	logs seem randomized
15:43	NekoGloop	i just went back a day, i'm green now
15:44	PilzAdam	TNT and throwing mod now use object:punch() to hurt players and other objects
15:45	NekoGloop	so the items that get strewn across the landscape are also damaged?
15:45	PilzAdam	nope
15:46	PilzAdam	https://github.com/PilzAdam/TNT/commit/edf28d3ab845b3b37dbc6d523b318072c8d3f5cd
15:46	rubenwardy	you are a sick green in mine
15:48	NekoGloop	thexyz: lol "of course it doesn't work otherwise how could it be merged to master branch?"
15:50	thexyz	nickname color in logs is based on messages count
15:50	NekoGloop	i see
15:50	VanessaE	good morning all (barely)
15:50	NekoGloop	so the more i talk, the less random it gets?
15:50	PilzAdam	hi VanessaE
15:51	PilzAdam	can someone point me to the current version of xdoors2?
15:52	NekoGloop	the version that you dont use
15:52	VanessaE	NekoGloop: doesn't that apply to half the mods in your install? ;)
15:52	NekoGloop	yup
15:53	NekoGloop	the one that was updated 0.3 secs after your downlaod
15:53	PilzAdam	in the forum thread is only version 1 but Jeija said there is a version with mesecon support (https://github.com/Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons/issues/47#issuecomment-8404634)
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15:53	NekoGloop	look at xyz's github
15:55	PilzAdam	whats his github name?
15:55	Jeija	https://github.com/Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons/issues/47#issuecomment-8404634 updated
15:56	PilzAdam	thx
15:56	NekoGloop	xxyz, or xyzz. i dont remember :)
15:58	PilzAdam	xyzz
15:59	NekoGloop	well the 2x2 craftgrid just made my world 5% minecraft-ier
16:00	_2cool4me4_	That isn't the goal of this game. ;)
16:00	NekoGloop	well if i get 101%+, then we are better than minecraft
16:00	NekoGloop	and THAT is the goal
16:01	PilzAdam	Jeija, when i have a button at the one side of the node and place a mesecon wire at the other side the wire turns into a insulated wire; when i do this with item_drop it drops a mesecon wire as item
16:01	_2cool4me4_	Death to wikipedia
16:01	Jeija	Actually that's not an insulated wire, it just looks like that, because it behaves that way
16:02	NekoGloop	pilzadam: because vanessae derped :D
16:02	VanessaE	I did?
16:02	PilzAdam	Jeija, i know; but the drop is the problem
16:02	NekoGloop	yes :D
16:02	VanessaE	bullshit.  I am derp-proof
16:02	VanessaE	"_
16:02	VanessaE	:)
16:03	* NekoGloop	derps vanessae
16:03	NekoGloop	how derp-proof are ya now?! >:D
16:03	_2cool4me4_	BAHAHAHAHAHA
16:03	_2cool4me4_	is a derp like a smurf?
16:03	VanessaE	me stands un-derped. :)
16:04	_2cool4me4_	derp=smurf?
16:04	VanessaE	/me  even
16:04	* _2cool4me4_	is amazed
16:05	PilzAdam	http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=41799#p41799 <- Join now!
16:05	_2cool4me4_	lolwat
16:05	VanessaE	haha
16:06	* _2cool4me4_	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0stb5sgCk78 's vanessae
16:06	thexyz	http://i.imgur.com/9cqtD.png
16:07	_2cool4me4_	you... what have you done?
16:07	VanessaE	thexyz: http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/nc.zip
16:08	VanessaE	let's see the previously-discussed asshole claim copyright now :)
16:08	PilzAdam	VanessaE, you are hurting copyright ;-)
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16:08	Calinou	I accidentally this channel
16:08	PilzAdam	wb Calinou
16:08	thexyz	that's non-copyrighted nyancat drawn by me
16:08	VanessaE	Calinou: nice job on the corner stairs (at least, the screenshot)
16:08	thexyz	inside minetest ^^
16:08	VanessaE	thexyz: the above zip is by me, WTFPL
16:09	_2cool4me4_	oops! google chrome could not own this page!
16:09	* Calinou	slaps _2cool4me4_ for using google chrome
16:09	Calinou	use chromium :P
16:10	cosarara97	use firefox
16:10	jordach	GOOGLE CHROME FTW
16:10	* _2cool4me4_	slaps Calinou with a big red brick
16:10	NekoGloop	thexyz: please give us that awesome rendition of painting mod
16:10	VanessaE	I recommend everyone download my nc.zip file above and replace their local images with those.  They're 100% better :)
16:11	_2cool4me4_	did I realy say that I couldn't own the page... I meant open
16:11	jordach	VanessaE, ive seen chinese versions of nc better looking than that
16:11	jordach	no joke
16:11	VanessaE	:(
16:11	Calinou	firefox = memory leal
16:11	jordach	ive seen too many knock offs
16:11	NekoGloop	IE FTW
16:11	Calinou	leak*
16:11	Calinou	lol
16:11	thexyz	NekoGloop: well, that's easy to guess https://github.com/xyzz/painting
16:11	cosarara97	Firefox is awesome
16:11	_2cool4me4_	Yay! Internet Exploder!
16:12	cosarara97	That's not even a browser
16:12	NekoGloop	lets explode some internets
16:12	VanessaE	cosarara97: it's an infection vector. :)
16:12	jordach	VanessaE, fangirl alert for FF
16:12	NekoGloop	its a browser
16:12	NekoGloop	and also what I'm using this very minute
16:13	_2cool4me4_	internet exploding time!
16:13	_2cool4me4_	to #_2cool4me4_channel24
16:15	_2cool4me4_	I'll get you for that neko
16:15	NekoGloop	no you wont
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16:18	VanessaE	actually I use chromium sometimes too
16:18	VanessaE	even links on rare occasion.
16:19	jordach	chrome is better
16:19	VanessaE	chrome is just chromium with a google flair.
16:19	cosarara97	it is
16:19	VanessaE	(literally)
16:20	Calinou	chromium === chrome but without tracking
16:20	NekoGloop	easy as pi
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16:49	PilzAdam	https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/issues/247
16:49	rubenwardy	we (VanessaE and I) are writing a letter to game reviewers to hopefully generate reliable sources for the wikipedia article. We have one problem, we are stuck in what to say. You can read the letter here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xBaKlMplRy-8qsPeMw4jO65nxctCeWUGa-Q0Jqx1lNk/edit
16:50	khonkhortisan	please write about our game so we don't get deleted from wikipedia
16:51	PilzAdam	"It is the best open source alternative for MC"
16:52	PilzAdam	"It has a better modding API than MC"
16:52	VanessaE	"In our opinion, it is the best [...]"
16:52	VanessaE	It has a well-documented API compared to MC (which as yet still has none)
16:52	khonkhortisan	it only shows my name on the top, not in the list of people, I think
16:52	khonkhortisan	really?! Then how do they make mods?
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16:53	VanessaE	khonkhortisan: decompile the game code and modify it at the engine/renderer level.
16:53	VanessaE	I think Notch has some sort of APi in the works now
16:53	VanessaE	but when I last heard, it was incomplete and unreleased.
16:53	jordach	yep
16:53	khonkhortisan	which means if you're running a modded engine the rest of the code is reordered
16:53	VanessaE	yup, basically.
16:54	khonkhortisan	yuck
16:54	PilzAdam	"Minetest has more potential than MC, because it has a better modding API"
16:54	PilzAdam	"and its limited to one or two persons how decide what the game should be"
16:54	jordach	sees VanessaE typing
16:55	khonkhortisan	that's bugging me I see a spelling error and can't fix it
16:55	khonkhortisan	thanks
16:55	PilzAdam	lol "it is the best open source alternative for Minetest,"
16:55	VanessaE	haha didn't see that
16:56	jordach	could i be added into the editors list>
16:56	khonkhortisan	why does an anonymous user have one of those pointers in there?
16:56	PilzAdam	"and its not limited to one or two persons how decide what the game should be"
16:56	rubenwardy	if you have gmail, i can allow you to edit
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16:57	rubenwardy	just give me your gmail address
16:58	jordach	jordach,snellinggmail.com
16:58	jordach	should be a dot
16:58	jordach	not a comma
16:59	rubenwardy	the recipents might not know what a virtual machine is, spell it out
16:59	PilzAdam	"If you dont review it your childreen and or parents will die"
16:59	khonkhortisan	huh. The list of viewers went away.
16:59	VanessaE	now now
17:00	khonkhortisan	don't sound like a griefer
17:00	jordach	PilzAdam, dont be counter productive
17:00	PilzAdam	it was a joke
17:00	PilzAdam	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joke
17:00	jordach	and therefore runs much faster and with less lag than with a virtual machine. I CALL BULLSHIT
17:00	khonkhortisan	I think the wiki joke link is more of a joke
17:01	PilzAdam	:-D
17:01	jordach	VanessaE, thank you
17:01	jordach	for changing that wording
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17:01	rubenwardy	jordach, i have added you. close and reopen the document
17:01	M13	Jordach
17:01	jordach	yes?
17:02	M13	hey a got a Question
17:02	VanessaE	what?
17:02	khonkhortisan	how do I show the other people's pointers again?
17:02	jordach	right who is who on this document?
17:02	VanessaE	dunno, they're just "on" for me
17:02	M13	nvm
17:03	PilzAdam	we should mention the big community that develops the game
17:03	khonkhortisan	I only see jordach, probably because he joined after me?
17:03	jordach	i can see VanessaE#
17:03	jordach	khonkhortisan, my nick is a word twist
17:03	khonkhortisan	those words are coming out of nowhere
17:04	khonkhortisan	that's better, just had to reload again
17:04	rubenwardy	try reloading the page, or opening the "6 other viewers" tab
17:04	rubenwardy	M13:  we (VanessaE and I) are writing a letter to game reviewers to hopefully generate reliable sources for the wikipedia article. We have one problem, we are stuck in what to say. You can read the letter here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xBaKlMplRy-8qsPeMw4jO65nxctCeWUGa-Q0Jqx1lNk/edit
17:05	M13	Reviewing
17:05	jordach	VanessaE, ill pick up on the spelling
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17:05	VanessaE	ok
17:05	rubenwardy	if you want to edit, you need a gmail account. message me the email address so i can add you
17:06	VanessaE	my typing style is messy, you never see it here if I pay enough attention before I hit enter
17:06	PilzAdam	minetest has 121 forks
17:06	VanessaE	<-----  but over there?  you see every last typo I make in realtime :-0
17:06	VanessaE	:-)
17:06	khonkhortisan	I don't think it matters as much, we stay away from moving pointers
17:07	jordach	VanessaE, ill pick them up
17:07	rubenwardy	i keep on disconnecting...
17:07	khonkhortisan	do bad reviews still give notability?
17:08	jordach	yex
17:08	jordach	yes
17:08	jordach	any dislike is a thumbs up to me
17:08	VanessaE	as long as it's a review it's good enough
17:08	PilzAdam	"The gameplay basics are similiar to MC, but its not that RPG-ish"
17:08	jordach	either way, they voted
17:08	rubenwardy	but bad reviews is not good
17:08	VanessaE	"Any publicity is good publicity"
17:08	jordach	yes
17:08	jordach	exactly
17:08	PilzAdam	+1
17:08	VanessaE	old marketing axiom
17:08	rubenwardy	http://www.atomicgamer.com/files/99167/minetest-v0-4-1-stable-for-windows-free-game
17:08	khonkhortisan	the goal is to stick around
17:08	VanessaE	of course
17:09	VanessaE	good reviews are preferable
17:09	VanessaE	but even a bad review gives us coverage
17:09	PilzAdam	rubenwardy, thats copy and paste from homepage
17:09	rubenwardy	damn
17:09	VanessaE	yeah and lacks any kind of review :(
17:12	rubenwardy	we are writing a letter, not a review
17:12	PilzAdam	we should write the review ourself and tell them to print that
17:12	khonkhortisan	that won't work
17:12	PilzAdam	but the letter sounds like this
17:14	VanessaE	well it still needs time to develop
17:15	rubenwardy	ok
17:15	PilzAdam	"The vanilla game is quite boring but the mods add new features to the gameplay"
17:15	rubenwardy	hmm...
17:16	cosarara97	say quite "simple" ;)
17:17	khonkhortisan	still need an in-game craft guide, that would make it simple
17:18	rubenwardy	mod?
17:19	rubenwardy	craft guide mod?
17:19	khonkhortisan	you have to know how to craft the craft guide to know how to craft
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17:20	rubenwardy	damn, i just made you owner VanessaE, can you use the share tab an click the drop down to make me owner again?
17:20	PilzAdam	khonkhortisan,  you have to know how to breathe to play this game
17:20	VanessaE	done :)
17:20	rubenwardy	thanks
17:20	rubenwardy	VanessaE, using the share tab you can add more editors
17:21	khonkhortisan	but you can swim as long as you want - people that don't know how to breathe won't be suprised because of drowning
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17:23	rubenwardy	RealBadAngel:  we (VanessaE and I) are writing a letter to game reviewers to hopefully generate reliable sources for the wikipedia article. We have one problem, we are stuck in what to say. You can read the letter here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xBaKlMplRy-8qsPeMw4jO65nxctCeWUGa-Q0Jqx1lNk/edit
17:24	rubenwardy	if you want to edit, you need a gmail account. message me the email address so i can add you
17:24	jordach	rubenwardy, wrong, a google account will do
17:25	jordach	you can have a @ymail and it still works
17:25	jordach	just as long you sign up for google services with a email account
17:25	rubenwardy	ok
17:26	khonkhortisan	I don't write group letters often enough
17:26	rubenwardy	shall we add celeron to the editors?
17:26	rubenwardy	ikr
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17:26	khonkhortisan	if he edited
17:26	khonkhortisan	let's look like we're going behind his back
17:26	rubenwardy	just to notify him...
17:26	rubenwardy	ok
17:26	jordach	rubenwardy, apparently your nick needs to be spell checked, yet mine does not?
17:27	rubenwardy	no, yours does on mine
17:28	khonkhortisan	both of them are flagged by spell check
17:28	Jeija	http://packages.ubuntu.com/en/quantal/minetest << is this official? why isn't it updated?
17:29	Jeija	(or was it just "accidentally" imported from debian and forgotten?)
17:30	rubenwardy	jordach, maybe because your email address has jordach in it, or you added it to the dictionary
17:31	RealBadAngel	just read ir
17:32	RealBadAngel	it
17:32	RealBadAngel	its ok with me
17:33	PilzAdam	to whom you want to write the letter?
17:33	VanessaE	I think we should use real email addresses, not "spam" accounts here
17:34	khonkhortisan	yeah why put it on if you're not going to read it?
17:34	rubenwardy	because those sorts of companies will add us to their spam list
17:35	RealBadAngel	feel free to add mkrealbadangel.pl
17:35	VanessaE	RBA: what's your real name?
17:35	rubenwardy	i do read it, it is just not attached to rainmeter or my email checking browser app
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17:35	RealBadAngel	Maciej Kasatkin
17:35	RealBadAngel	mk
17:35	khonkhortisan	what's rainmeter?
17:36	rubenwardy	desktop gadgets
17:36	khonkhortisan	oh, desktop widgits
17:36	khonkhortisan	what window manager?
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17:41	VanessaE	anyone else want to sign off on this letter?
17:42	* PilzAdam	dont want to tell his real name
17:42	rubenwardy	i have ign's email address, we need more
17:42	rubenwardy	you do not have too
17:42	VanessaE	well I guess we can allow just the handle if you really insist
17:42	PilzAdam	adam-koutlook.com
17:43	PilzAdam	Adam "PilzAdam" K.
17:46	PilzAdam	You can change celeron55 in the first paragraph to Perttu "celeron55" Ahola
17:46	PilzAdam	ooops
17:46	VanessaE	heh
17:46	PilzAdam	didnt saw that...
17:46	khonkhortisan	I did that
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17:48	PilzAdam	VanessaE, do you have access to all the forum e-mail adresses?
17:48	VanessaE	I think so
17:49	PilzAdam	<joke>add them all</joke>
17:49	VanessaE	haha
17:49	khonkhortisan	We're giving you these email addresses as proof of our userbase, but you didn't get them from us.
17:49	VanessaE	ha!
17:50	PilzAdam	someone should ask c55 to add his name and email
17:51	VanessaE	celeron55: how about it?  You want in on this?
17:51	khonkhortisan	then we can move his name down to the bottom and leave the username at the top
17:51	VanessaE	"I am Perttu 'celeron55' Ahola and I approve this message."
17:51	VanessaE	heh
17:52	khonkhortisan	we could do that
17:52	VanessaE	naw
17:52	jordach	no
17:52	VanessaE	I'm just mocking the political ads I see on TV from time to time :)
17:52	PilzAdam	"We are the MT community and want to ask ..."
17:52	VanessaE	"We are the Minetest Community.  We are legion."
17:52	PilzAdam	+1151554
17:53	khonkhortisan	"I am perttu 'celeron55' Ahola and I disapprove this message." But it was sent anyway.
17:53	PilzAdam	lol
17:54	VanessaE	heh
17:54	PilzAdam	We are the Minetest Community.  We are legion. We do not forgive someone who dont review MT. We dont forgett stupid game magazines. Expect mods!"
17:56	VanessaE	hehe
17:56	khonkhortisan	haha this isn't going to work well I'm trying to forward one gmail accont to another gmail account. I have to type in a confirmation number sent to the other email, but I can only be logged into one at a time.
17:57	VanessaE	copy&paste to a text file :-)
17:57	khonkhortisan	oh good, they have a link
17:58	jordach	khonkhortisan, make them both mail each other, then you have a perma loop
17:58	jordach	if one gets mail
17:58	khonkhortisan	Does that work?
17:58	jordach	yes
17:59	jordach	does anyone here want to see apple trees again?
17:59	jordach	https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/pull/248
18:00	khonkhortisan	what happened, you have to plant them yourself?
18:00	jordach	no.
18:00	sfan5	jordach: the one who made apple trees wants to see them again
18:00	jordach	they used to grow naturally
18:00	jordach	i know sfan5 that puts em back again
18:01	khonkhortisan	I get a big week-long banner warning me I'm forwarding email
18:01	jordach	ikr
18:01	celeron55	wtf is going on?
18:02	VanessaE	uh oh, The Boss is here, everyone hide
18:02	PilzAdam	https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xBaKlMplRy-8qsPeMw4jO65nxctCeWUGa-Q0Jqx1lNk/edit?pli=1
18:02	celeron55	do not use my name anywhere without my permission (unless it is just stating who has made minetest)
18:02	VanessaE	celeron55: read above - we were just joking
18:02	khonkhortisan	that's how we have it
18:02	VanessaE	(your name only appears as an identifier)
18:03	jordach	developed by Perttu "celeron55" Ahola and contributors.
18:05	khonkhortisan	is there a button to colorize everything by who wrote it?
18:05	celeron55	oh i see what you're attempting... well, i won't interfere with that
18:05	VanessaE	celeron55: so the question stands, do you want to sign off on this letter also?
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18:06	sfan5	PilzAdam: i can't edit that :(
18:06	PilzAdam	??
18:06	sfan5	<PilzAdam> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xBaKlMplRy-8qsPeMw4jO65nxctCeWUGa-Q0Jqx1lNk/edit?pli=1
18:06	celeron55	no i don't; i don't like to promote my hobby stuff
18:06	PilzAdam	thats not by me
18:07	celeron55	but i have nothing against others doing that
18:07	sfan5	PilzAdam: but how did you edit that
18:07	VanessaE	sfan5: sign in with your google account
18:07	khonkhortisan	sfan5, /msg rubenwardy your gmail to be able to edit
18:07	sfan5	i did
18:07	PilzAdam	i dont edit anything
18:07	sfan5	...
18:08	PilzAdam	i dont have any google account
18:08	jordach	...i hope c55 does not look into his gmail...........
18:09	jordach	hell see my pull request..
18:09	PilzAdam	gtg
18:09	khonkhortisan	^ reverse psychology
18:09	VanessaE	haha
18:10	rubenwardy	VanessaE, you can add editors
18:10	VanessaE	let's make the margins bigger and the font smaller so we can at least keep this all on one page
18:10	VanessaE	rubenwardy: yeah
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18:11	khonkhortisan	we could move the emails to the same line as the names again
18:11	VanessaE	naw
18:11	VanessaE	I guess it's fine as-is
18:15	khonkhortisan	I see vanessa and sfan in the list twice each
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18:17	M13	is a Windows user here?
18:17	VanessaE	well google error'ed out on me, might just be a ghost from the signouff, hasn't ping'ed out yet.
18:17	VanessaE	M13: no, noe one would ever use that obsolete OS.
18:17	khonkhortisan	<-- not it!
18:17	VanessaE	;)
18:17	M13	;)
18:18	M13	I need someone to compile the new version of Minetest-M13
18:18	M13	it has giveme command and 3D Players
18:18	VanessaE	so go learn how to compile it for windows then
18:18	VanessaE	3d players?  how?
18:18	M13	i dont have winodws
18:18	M13	windows*
18:19	khonkhortisan	I'm not good at cross-compiling
18:19	M13	i dont know the commands to do it
18:19	M13	or i would
18:19	VanessaE	to go learn them
18:19	VanessaE	and use a virtual machine for testing
18:19	VanessaE	to/so
18:20	khonkhortisan	you could cross-compile for wine, but I wouldn't trust the results
18:20	M13	Wine wont install the compiler
18:21	khonkhortisan	I mean natively cross-compile it then run the binary in wine
18:21	M13	o
18:22	M13	how do you natively cross-compile?
18:22	VanessaE	go learn how, M13
18:22	VanessaE	google it.
18:22	M13	WHERE
18:22	M13	o ok
18:23	Keegann	sfan5 will you compile minetest for M13?
18:23	M13	hes not here
18:23	sfan5	maybe
18:23	M13	ooo
18:24	M13	i get errors when i do it sfan
18:24	khonkhortisan	the nonexistant speaketh!
18:25	M13	well if you can sfan5 download src here : http://minetestm13.weebly.com/uploads/1/3/1/7/13179023/minetest-m130.4.4_2-20120910-source.tar.gz
18:25	khonkhortisan	what page would minetest go on if it didn't have its own page?
18:25	VanessaE	on WP?  nowhere
18:26	VanessaE	if it isn't notable enough for an article, it'll probably just get removed from whatever does reference it
18:27	jordach	VanessaE, i get more speed with windows xp than anywhere else
18:27	M13	lolz /\ (windows XP)
18:28	VanessaE	no surprise, video support on linux is shit compared to windows
18:28	M13	NO
18:28	M13	no its not
18:28	Keegann	:/
18:28	M13	i got 5 fps on windpws
18:28	M13	now i get 60
18:28	jordach	drivers
18:28	VanessaE	I say that as a strict Linux user.
18:28	jordach	BSD
18:28	jordach	BSD
18:28	M13	i did update drivers
18:28	jordach	B
18:28	jordach	S
18:28	jordach	D
18:29	khonkhortisan	I go to text mode when my driver is in the passenger seat
18:29	M13	i will never use Windows again
18:29	khonkhortisan	I will use windows and mac again
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18:29	M13	>:(
18:29	jordach	unless you buy a new tower with windows 8
18:29	M13	mac is worse
18:29	jordach	hello MuadTralk; ddzen
18:30	MuadTralk	hello
18:30	jordach	ive learned that all three do the same since everything nowadays is done on the cloud
18:30	BartoCH	jordach, hurd! hurd!
18:31	* jordach	raises hurd! shield
18:31	khonkhortisan	I find myself writing function posprint(pos) print("("..pos.x..", "..pos.y..", "..pos.z..")") end often
18:32	jordach	you joking
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18:48	jordach	Reckon Man MIGHT BE Landmine
18:48	Keegann	i know he is
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18:50	Guy12	Hey
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18:55	sfan5	jordach: landmine detected
18:56	VanessaE	ReckonMan: please say something.
18:57	ReckonMan	hi, i was afk, i went to have something to eat
18:57	ReckonMan	and all your claims are false
18:57	ReckonMan	im relativly new to the game
18:57	VanessaE	ok
18:58	VanessaE	Just a yellow flag, nothing to worry about.
18:59	ReckonMan	its ok
18:59	sfan5	80% chance
19:00	sfan5	(of landmine)
19:00	Keegann	AGREED
19:00	VanessaE	speaking of getting something to eat, I could use a little food myself.
19:01	OldCoder	Keegann, abide by the group decision
19:01	VanessaE	too much popcorn, not enough protein.
19:01	Keegann	y
19:01	OldCoder	VanessaE, have some bacon
19:01	VanessaE	all out
19:01	OldCoder	Hmm
19:01	VanessaE	got lots of canned chicken though :)
19:01	jordach	VanessaE, i thought you cant due to illness?
19:01	OldCoder	Chicken is good
19:01	OldCoder	Illness?
19:01	VanessaE	jordach: illness?  naw.  you're thinking of that surgery I had a few months ago, but all of the healing is done from that now
19:02	VanessaE	I'm back to a normal diet and losing weight at a fair rate too
19:02	jordach	nononononono, having to eat sugar free, that sort
19:02	VanessaE	oh, naw, that's a side effect of the surgery, but isn't an illness as such.
19:03	VanessaE	wish I had some peanut butter and jelly right now though.  I could really go for that.
19:03	* jordach	calls it technical
19:03	* jordach	sends 20$ via paypal to VanessaE  - free subway!
19:03	VanessaE	mmmm subway
19:03	ReckonMan	did you really jordach?
19:03	* sfan5	wishes he has paypal
19:04	jordach	im joking
19:04	sfan5	ReckonMan: *biggest facepalm ever*
19:04	jordach	i do have a 5euro amazon voucher
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19:05	jordach	im testing my pull request
19:07	sfan5	you didn't test it before submitting?
19:09	M13	sfan5: will you compile it for me?
19:09	* VanessaE	returns, wielding a can of chicken
19:09	M13	Minetest-m13
19:09	sfan5	M13: maybe
19:10	M13	so....
19:10	M13	you'll randomly do it if you feel like it
19:12	sfan5	....
19:17	Mikeonline	night
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19:20	jordach	whats the first thing i see on the tree in my branch?? AN APPLE!
19:21	jordach	celeron55, https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/pull/248 this fixes apples so that they can be found naturally again
19:27	hmmmm	yuck
19:27	jordach	annnnddddd thennnnn?
19:27	hmmmm	whatever was added in between 4.2-RC1 and 4.3 is causing intense spikes of cpu usage when a node is placed
19:27	hmmmm	so much that gameplay freezes up for at most a second or two
19:28	VanessaE	hmmmm: try digging at a chest or furnace.  watch your FPS drop.
19:28	jordach	hahahahaa
19:28	VanessaE	(at least it might take a high-resolution texture pack to show it)
19:28	jordach	yeah, i notice this too
19:28	hmmmm	that didn't seem to do anything
19:29	VanessaE	hmmmm: load up any highrez pack, like minetoon, jordach's equivalent, my HDX, whatever.  it'll lag like hell digging furnaces, chests, and some mesecon items like wall levers
19:29	VanessaE	but not when digging dirt, cobble, etc.
19:29	hmmmm	interesting
19:30	hmmmm	i don't use high resolution packs though
19:30	VanessaE	well try one :-)
19:31	VanessaE	you can only see this happen with a bigger texture pack
19:31	hmmmm	i am not really interested in seeing it for myself.  i'll take your word for it that there's a problem.
19:31	VanessaE	it started at about the same time that furnaces were moved to lua
19:41	hmmmm	by the way, what do you guys think about the color of desert sand?
19:41	VanessaE	it could stand to be a little less saturated but otherwise it's fine to me
19:41	hmmmm	well, really, everything in the default texture pack is oversaturated
19:46	sfan5	M13: you can't cross compile minetest-m13, the cmakelists file is too old
19:46	sfan5	+for cross compiling
19:52	hmmmm	it's not when a node is dug, it's when it's being added to your inventory
19:52	hmmmm	that's when the freezeup happens
19:52	VanessaE	no, both
19:52	VanessaE	while digging it sometimes get so slow the game crashes in rare cases.
19:53	VanessaE	unless it's being added to the inventory dozens of times a second :-)
19:53	hmmmm	i need to look at the commits
19:54	hmmmm	this is unbearable
19:54	jordach	VanessaE, can you try my server quickly?
19:54	VanessaE	sure
19:54	jordach	(0.4.3)
19:54	jordach	youll see apples
19:54	VanessaE	address again?  I keep losing it
19:56	jordach	minetest.zapto.org
19:56	jordach	30000
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19:57	ecube	hello
19:58	M13	<sfan5> M13: you can't cross compile minetest-m13, the cmakelists file is too old : ok
19:58	M13	thats why i need someone to compile it
20:00	VanessaE	jordach: seems good, reduce the chance to 1/16 or 1/32 and I think you have a winner
20:02	M13	sfan5: is it possible to install the Windows Programs through Wine and compile for Windows?
20:02	jordach	VanessaE, try
20:05	jordach	VanessaE, now have a whirl
20:07	hmmmm	christ almighty
20:07	* VanessaE	gives ir a whirl
20:07	VanessaE	this is a fresh map?
20:07	hmmmm	having to wait several seconds for a login attempt is perfectly fine
20:07	jordach	yes
20:07	hmmmm	having the entire game freeze up when you dig a node is perfectly fine
20:08	VanessaE	too many apples.
20:08	jordach	even at 1/32
20:08	VanessaE	halve the ratio again
20:08	hmmmm	having the mapgen complete shit is perfectly fine
20:08	hmmmm	no regular person would be this complacent
20:09	jordach	VanessaE, started at 1/8, then on 1/32 now to 1/64
20:09	VanessaE	jordach: try it?
20:10	hmmmm	maybe you guys aren't bothered by any of it
20:11	hmmmm	the three second or longer delay when you try to move an item to your inventory
20:11	hmmmm	all that sort of stuff
20:11	hmmmm	i am though
20:11	VanessaE	please don't give up
20:11	VanessaE	we need developers.
20:12	hmmmm	celeron doesn't even develop minetest anymore from what i've noticed
20:12	hmmmm	it's a dead project, i think i'm out
20:12	VanessaE	sure he does
20:12	VanessaE	https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/commits/master\
20:12	VanessaE	er, lose the backslash
20:12	NakedFury	he works on it
20:13	NakedFury	slowly but he works
20:13	thexyz	also this https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/commits/meta_set_nodedef
20:13	NakedFury	the problem is not many here know c++ or dont want to spend time learning the code
20:13	thexyz	^ agree
20:13	NakedFury	or when they come instead of help him they make a new fork
20:14	jordach	new world made
20:16	jordach	VanessaE, 1/64 is even worse
20:16	jordach	gtg
20:17	VanessaE	now how the hell am I supposed to sign on if he turns off the server? :)
20:30	M13	hello thexyz
20:30	M13	how are you
20:31	thexyz	?
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20:32	M13	<thexyz> ?  : ?
20:33	M13	Question : Why doesnt Celeron55 add 3D players to Minetest
20:36	VanessaE	M13:  http://minetest.net/wiki/doku.php?id=dev:player_visual_definition
20:36	VanessaE	that's c55's explanation of what's needed for 3d players.
20:38	thexyz	19:45:56 < thexyz> why just don't use "real" 3d models?
20:38	thexyz	19:46:29 < celeron55> because i don't like making them
20:38	M13	o my fork isnt running the latest git so...
20:38	hmmmm	i know somebody here is going to yell at me for suggesting this but... why not just make them blocky 3d models like minecraft?
20:39	hmmmm	he doesn't have to make the models either, there are lots of people who would be willing to do that
20:39	M13	yea
20:39	NakedFury	I would like something between blocky and more real
20:40	NakedFury	but any way to add 3d would be welcome
20:40	VanessaE	OpenArena models seem ok to me
20:40	hmmmm	then you'd be able to make your own model for that
20:40	VanessaE	and irrlicht can load those apparently.
20:40	celeron55	VanessaE: that is painfully old
20:40	hmmmm	from what i understand there are 3d models already, no?  the rotating cubes for the dropped nodes
20:40	VanessaE	celeron55: it's the only reference I could find.
20:41	M13	Vanessa: Can you Commute to my fork by making some textures for 3D Player's (Seen your textures, You know how to do it)
20:41	celeron55	what one should be looking for is implementing a 3d model based visual mode for objects in general
20:41	VanessaE	M13: I'll pass.
20:41	M13	ok
20:42	celeron55	there are notes in here too about it http://minetest.net/wiki/doku.php?id=code:objects_in_environment
20:44	celeron55	oh and, there is some related work in blockplanet_old and lesliev's branch
20:53	VanessaE	celeron55: did you get a chance to look at those nc images I linked to?
20:53	celeron55	no
20:53	VanessaE	ok.  just trying to save you some effort.
20:53	celeron55	that is like the lowest priority of things until a bit before the next release
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21:06	Keegann	hes back
21:08	ReckonMan	yeah i had to go out
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21:11	Keegann	so you releted to LandMine?
21:11	ReckonMan	no, how do i ignore people
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21:12	ReckonMan	VanessaE how do i ignore people
21:14	celeron55	i guess the web client has the /ginore command
21:14	celeron55	eh
21:14	celeron55	/ignore
21:15	Keegann	why do you want to ignore
21:15	VanessaE	bbiab
21:15	Keegann	http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2948
21:15	Keegann	opps
21:18	ReckonMan	celeron55 it says IGNORE Unknown command
21:19	Keegann	:)
21:19	celeron55	guess it doesn't have it then
21:19	ReckonMan	guess not
21:19	ReckonMan	i just wont read what ever he types then
21:19	Keegann	who
21:22	OldCoder	Keegann, let it lie
21:22	Keegann	lie?
21:22	OldCoder	be
21:23	OldCoder	Let it be; like the song
21:23	OldCoder	Whisper Words of Wisdom
21:23	OldCoder	When I find myself in times of trouble, Mother Mary comes to me
21:23	OldCoder	Speaking words of wisdom, let it be
21:23	OldCoder	And in my hour of darkness she is standing right in front of me
21:23	OldCoder	Speaking words of wisdom, let it be
21:23	OldCoder
21:32	VanessaE	back
21:36	OldCoder	VanessaE, wb
21:36	OldCoder	Had chicken?
21:36	VanessaE	naw, just some personal stuff
21:38	iqualfragile	m13: please dont distibute music you dont own
21:38	iqualfragile	that could get you into serious trouble
21:38	M13	im not
21:39	VanessaE	what music?
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21:40	iqualfragile	you are, the music-mod on your website
21:40	iqualfragile	contains a song
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21:42	iqualfragile	additionaly i assume that your minetest-server sends this song to all clients wich connect
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21:42	OldCoder	MuadTralk, Hi
21:42	VanessaE	what song is it?
21:44	* NekoGloop	kicks #minetest
21:44	VanessaE	now now, what'd the poor channel ever do to you?
21:45	NekoGloop	It... It made me hungry. :3
21:45	VanessaE	haha
21:45	NekoGloop	:D
21:45	* VanessaE	hands NekoGloop a cookie
21:45	iqualfragile	but we liked all those cookies!
21:45	* NekoGloop	eats it
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21:47	M13_	OldCoder
21:47	OldCoder	M13_
21:47	OldCoder	He kicked a channel?
21:47	M13_	I got LandMine of our back
21:47	OldCoder	How so?
21:47	NekoGloop	Yes, i kicked a channel
21:47	OldCoder	Hmm
21:47	OldCoder	But you are in the channel
21:48	OldCoder	Doesn't that involve some sort of distortion to the space time continuum?
21:48	NekoGloop	Yes
21:48	OldCoder	k
21:48	M13_	I gave him a server
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21:48	NekoGloop	Which i'm skilled at
21:48	OldCoder	M13_ That will change nothing
21:48	M13_	thats it
21:48	OldCoder	NekoGloop, very well
21:48	M13_	he isnt going to mess with Keegan or anything no more
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22:00	VanessaE	hey RBA.
22:00	MiJyn	hi rba
22:01	* NekoGloop	kicks RealBadAngel
22:05	VanessaE	you kicked him in the wrong spot :-)
22:05	Bad_Command	Hey the speed limiter is killing the playability on mt1
22:05	NekoGloop	... Well, it was meant to be painful.
22:05	Bad_Command	Lag or whatever
22:05	Bad_Command	Anyone know how to deal with that problem?
22:05	VanessaE	Bad_Command: I think you can disable it in minetest.conf
22:06	VanessaE	disable_anticheat = true
22:06	VanessaE	maybe
22:06	Bad_Command	Looking in to it...thanks
22:07	VanessaE	it won't help the lag but maybe it'll keep people from lag-teleporting
22:09	Bad_Command	disable_anticheat disables too much:  it also disables digging cheat protection
22:09	VanessaE	hrm
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22:09	VanessaE	so much for that idea
22:10	VanessaE	I guess you'll have to hack into the server code :-/
22:10	Bad_Command	It did however lead me to the antispeed code
22:10	VanessaE	ohgood
22:10	Bad_Command	There's a tolerance knob in the code; perhaps that should be exposed in the config file
22:11	VanessaE	agreed
22:12	Bad_Command	celeron55: ^^ etc
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22:15	OldCoder	Keegann_, I am kind of busy
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22:19	LAD_	XD
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22:26	MiJyn	?
22:27	MiJyn	having internet problems LAD?
22:27	LAD	no
22:27	LAD	y u ask
22:28	VanessaE	because you connected and disconnected four times in 3 minutes without speaking
22:28	LAD	oh lol
22:28	LAD	oldcoder was geting me setup on hexxhat
22:28	LAD	so he made me do that
22:28	LAD	couse i did something wrong
22:28	VanessaE	oh ok
22:28	LAD	XD
22:28	iqualfragile	my BRAIN it BURNS
22:29	* VanessaE	dumps a bucket of water over iqualfragile's head
22:29	iqualfragile	thankyou, but i think i realy need sleep and a stupid boring tast to do afterwards
22:29	iqualfragile	school sounds great
22:29	VanessaE	oh fun
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22:30	OldCoder	I did not!
22:31	LAD	hmm
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22:33	Basstard`	Get to it.
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22:36	VanessaE	hey cisoun
22:37	cisoun	hey
22:37	cisoun	sup
22:37	VanessaE	not much
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22:42	Basstard`	Fix the article on Wikipedia.
22:44	VanessaE	we've been trying.
22:44	VanessaE	nothing we do is good enough for the deletionists so far
23:00	MuadTralk	my suggestion make minetest-c55 somehow be related to cats then it shall rule the interwebz
23:01	FreeFull	Well it already has nyancats
23:01	FreeFull	Someone could make a nyancat temple world
23:02	MuadTralk	http://www.tnr.com/article/politics/101283/cats-internet-memes-science-aesthetics#
23:03	MuadTralk	we must over exaggerate the nyan cat in game
23:03	VanessaE	no
23:03	MuadTralk	at least in the wikipedia article
23:03	VanessaE	the guy who claims ownership of nyancat is being an asshole
23:04	VanessaE	(but I fixed that, as soon as c55 plugs in the new images I linked him to)
23:04	MuadTralk	hmmm?
23:05	VanessaE	?
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23:05	VanessaE	ha, speaking of cats.
23:05	NekoGloop	Meow.
23:05	FreeFull	Ok, remove nyancat, make a general cat temple
23:05	FreeFull	It could be called the gato gate
23:05	VanessaE	FreeFull: http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/nc.zip
23:05	NekoGloop	Neko = cat in japanese :3
23:06	VanessaE	^^^ entirely c55's and my work - not one pixel in those images is the original now.
23:06	FreeFull	There is a program called Neko
23:06	FreeFull	Where a cat chases your cursor
23:06	NekoGloop	Not one pixel in the one that's in currently is the original
23:06	VanessaE	the player model I use in OpenArena is the neko model :-)
23:06	NekoGloop	The original isnt 3d
23:06	FreeFull	And your cursor gets changed to a mouse
23:07	NekoGloop	So therefore, a 3d nyancat cannot be held as his copyright
23:07	VanessaE	neko: doesn't matter, it was still close enough to draw the guy's ire.  Now he has no complaints
23:07	VanessaE	NekoGloop: I guess the face is nearly identical, but not in my images :)
23:08	NekoGloop	Meow
23:08	* MuadTralk	can only see minimal difference and thus trys to strain his perfect and very discerning eyes
23:09	* MuadTralk	forgets what original nyan cat looks like
23:09	NekoGloop	Lol
23:09	VanessaE	I tried to keep the differences subtle enough to still invoke nyancat but different enough to be my own work
23:09	VanessaE	(and c55's)
23:14	NekoGloop	Meow
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23:20	VanessaE	<unenthusiastic> meow </unenthusiastic>
23:23	NekoGloop	<uberenthusiastic> Meow~!
23:24	* VanessaE	whines...   redcrab:30401 is down :(
23:24	NekoGloop	Kewl
23:27	VanessaE	very un-cool, that was my favorite server
23:27	NekoGloop	Maybe he's upadting?
23:28	VanessaE	dunno
23:28	VanessaE	looking at the output from the last minetestmapper.py run, the map look corrupted  D"
23:28	VanessaE	D:
23:52	VanessaE	zzz
23:53	* NekoGloop	gives vanessae coffee
23:53	VanessaE	heh
23:56	OldCoder	NekoGloop, Meow back
23:56	OldCoder	VanessaE, Hi and PM
23:56	VanessaE	hi

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