IRC log for #minetest, 2012-08-31

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Time	Nick	Message
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00:05	* VanessaE	peeks in
00:06	* PilzAdam	peeks back
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00:06	VanessaE	hey hyey
00:06	NekoGloop	Hello
00:06	PilzAdam	VanessaE, can you move tnt mod?
00:07	PilzAdam	http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2902
00:08	VanessaE	tweaked the text a bit and moved
00:10	PilzAdam	thx
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00:20	NekoGloop	Dc'd lol
00:29	NekoGloop	Dead chat much?
00:30	Keegann	yep
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00:48	_2cool4me4_	Finally got khonkhortisan's metadata worldedit to work
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00:50	VanessaE_	great, IRC just broke.
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00:50	VanessaE_	nice going NekoGloop.
00:50	VanessaE_	:)
00:51	NekoGloop	I didnt do it
00:51	NekoGloop	The cookie did :3
00:51	VanessaE_	ha!
00:51	_2cool4me4_	Bad kitty
00:51	_2cool4me4_	whatever you did
00:51	NekoGloop	D:
00:51	NekoGloop	Meow?
00:51	_2cool4me4_	hiss.
00:52	* NekoGloop	bites _2cool4me4_
00:52	* _2cool4me4_	uses shield of...
00:52	_2cool4me4_	awesomeness
00:53	_2cool4me4_	netsplit again?
00:53	* NekoGloop	says you now have {awesomeness=1}
00:53	* NekoGloop	uses admin pickaxe
00:53	NekoGloop	Boom :3
00:54	* _2cool4me4_	says I have {awesomeness=OVAR 9000!}
00:54	NekoGloop	Whatever
00:54	NekoGloop	Admin pick still works :3
00:54	VanessaE	there.
00:54	NekoGloop	Lol you still look offline to me
00:55	_2cool4me4_	yep
00:55	_2cool4me4_	nvm
00:56	* NekoGloop	uses evil sword on 2cool
00:56	* _2cool4me4_	doesn't care.
00:56	_2cool4me4_	aka, deflected by awesomeness
00:56	NekoGloop	Nope
00:56	NekoGloop	Fleshy overrides
00:56	_2cool4me4_	You know nothing of the modding layer!
00:57	_2cool4me4_	awesomeness overrides even invincibility
00:57	NekoGloop	You cannot grasp the true form of my attack!
00:57	_2cool4me4_	because it's so awesome
00:57	_2cool4me4_	And you can?
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00:57	_2cool4me4_	Netsplit ovar
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01:01	_2cool4me4_	Can't you rotate using worldedit?
01:02	khonkhortisan	in current git, you can rotate on the y axis, in my fork, you can rotate on any axis.
01:03	_2cool4me4_	I'm using your fork
01:04	khonkhortisan	I'm messing up my fork, the third commit I have somehow got sucked into a branch and I'm trying to get it back to trunk.
01:05	_2cool4me4_	It rotates everything except switches from mesecons
01:05	khonkhortisan	Maybe I forgot facedir.
01:06	_2cool4me4_	Mesecon's don't rotate either
01:12	* _2cool4me4_	taps on #minetest's glass to see if it moves
01:12	khonkhortisan	ha! that was a struggle. I finally merged that accidental branch back into master.
01:13	_2cool4me4_	how'd you do that
01:13	_2cool4me4_	did neko run away on all fours?
01:13	khonkhortisan	git checkout master; git merge axes; git branch -d axes; git push
01:13	_2cool4me4_	I don't know what most of that means, but good job
01:14	khonkhortisan	now it has master and axes pointing to the same place in the graph, so I didn't completely remove my branch
01:14	khonkhortisan	(master is trunk, axes is the branch)
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01:14	_2cool4me4_	okay
01:14	khonkhortisan	checkout switches between branches, merge adds the other branch to the one you're currently in, -d safely deletes, push updates the website.
01:15	khonkhortisan	So even if I make a big mistake, I can still recover from it.
01:16	* NekoGloop	bites _2cool4me4_
01:16	_2cool4me4_	OW not again
01:16	NekoGloop	Waiting for the oppourtune moment :3
01:16	khonkhortisan	2cool4neko's4running_legs
01:17	_2cool4me4_	oO.Oo
01:17	_2cool4me4_	.oO0Oo.
01:17	_2cool4me4_	buff guy?
01:17	khonkhortisan	I'm used to svn, git takes some getting used to.
01:20	_2cool4me4_	I don't know either
01:20	_2cool4me4_	And why doesn't anyone use SourceForge?
01:20	khonkhortisan	I use svn+sourceforge for supertuxkart (or rather, they do)
01:21	khonkhortisan	bzflag is there too
01:21	_2cool4me4_	What's so different about SF that no one on MT uses it?
01:21	khonkhortisan	mt is on github so mods are there by default?
01:21	_2cool4me4_	oh
01:21	_2cool4me4_	kay
01:22	khonkhortisan	and it has this cool graph https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/network
01:22	NekoGloop	And doesnt SF disallow images?
01:22	_2cool4me4_	idk, I just know a bit of a way around it
01:24	khonkhortisan	it's their color scheme!
01:24	khonkhortisan	have you seen the bug trackers?
01:24	khonkhortisan	they're yellow
01:24	_2cool4me4_	eew
01:25	NekoGloop	Squish dem bugs
01:26	khonkhortisan	well there's actually two trackers, a green one: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=3248&atid=103248 and a yellow one: http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/supertuxkart/ticket/540
01:26	khonkhortisan	I have bugs in the blackberries I picked
01:26	khonkhortisan	makes my hands hurt
01:26	_2cool4me4_	oh lol
01:27	khonkhortisan	Okay, so I forked worldedit, then made three commits that went into a request for merging. If I add another feature, should the branch be created from the fork point, or my last commit?
01:28	_2cool4me4_	I need a schematic for the ALU descrribed in The Elements of Computing Systems
01:29	* khonkhortisan	knows what an abacus is
01:29	* _2cool4me4_	is amazed
01:30	khonkhortisan	I still haven't found what the gate is called that has four ins and one out.
01:31	NekoGloop	Its called something that cant be done in a microcontroller
01:32	khonkhortisan	without up/down ports
01:32	_2cool4me4_	but it can be done in multiple
01:32	NekoGloop	Or just in wire
01:32	NekoGloop	Lots and lots of wire and torches
01:32	khonkhortisan	this useful? http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Microprocessor_Design/ALU#Example:_4-Bit_ALU
01:32	khonkhortisan	oops, sorry, didn't connect the ins
01:33	khonkhortisan	still looking...
01:33	_2cool4me4_	No, I need the Hack platform one.
01:33	khonkhortisan	I'd hate to make a microcontroller out of torches
01:33	_2cool4me4_	yup
01:34	khonkhortisan	I'd bet someone will eventually make a mesecon machine that bit-shifts and accidentally loses the sign bit.
01:35	khonkhortisan	what does "zero the x input" mean?
01:36	FreeFull	Low
01:41	RealBadAngel	khonkhortisan: you were lookin maybe for multiplexers?
01:41	khonkhortisan	if I knew what that word meant, maybe
01:41	khonkhortisan	I'm looking at the labelling on ALU inputs
01:41	_2cool4me4_	khonkhortisan: I believe it makes the x-input 0
01:41	_2cool4me4_	Pointless? yes
01:42	RealBadAngel	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiplexer
01:42	khonkhortisan	xchat doesn't seem to be able to spawn firefox tabs
01:42	RealBadAngel	you were lookin for somethin with 4 inputs and one output, so i guess multiplexer
01:43	khonkhortisan	so what is it when there's two inputs, two outputs, and the side wire swaps the two other wires?
01:43	RealBadAngel	show me picture
01:43	khonkhortisan	I made it out of microcontrollers, it wouldn't look like much
01:44	RealBadAngel	lol
01:45	khonkhortisan	2x4 with inputs on three sides
01:46	khonkhortisan	I really need a way to keep wires from being stuck on
01:52	sdzen	get a better computer?
01:52	sdzen	make the game run better?
01:53	sdzen	those would be a good start
01:53	khonkhortisan	fix a bug in mesecons
01:53	khonkhortisan	I just need some memory, both in my computer and non-leaked in the game
01:54	_2cool4me4_	i have 4 gigs of ram, around 2 left when I start Minetest
01:54	_2cool4me4_	chrome takes up a lot
01:54	khonkhortisan	1 ram, 3 swap
01:55	_2cool4me4_	Minetest is only using around 100 megs of ram right now :)
01:58	khonkhortisan	okay, then it's firefox and minetest "duking it out"
01:59	_2cool4me4_	for RAM?
01:59	khonkhortisan	firefox 41%, minetest 14%
02:00	_2cool4me4_	I don't see a problem there
02:00	khonkhortisan	okay, I'll leave the server, start it again, leave, join
02:00	_2cool4me4_	You're hosting a server?
02:01	_2cool4me4_	And does mesecons have horrible memory leaks?
02:01	khonkhortisan	singleplayer (sort of counts as a server, sort of doesn't count as a server)
02:01	_2cool4me4_	er, minetest
02:01	khonkhortisan	24%
02:01	_2cool4me4_	I'll take that as a yes
02:02	khonkhortisan	34%
02:02	khonkhortisan	and now some of the stuff in my inventory is white squares
02:03	_2cool4me4_	I get it, there's a memory leak
02:03	_2cool4me4_	exit to os and start over
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02:04	PilzAdam	anyone here want to test a mod that adds editable books?
02:04	khonkhortisan	as items? as nodes?
02:05	PilzAdam	as bookshelfs
02:05	_2cool4me4_	having trouble with this alu
02:05	khonkhortisan	problem is storing meta in the inventory
02:05	PilzAdam	im just uploading it
02:05	khonkhortisan	Can you select each book individually by point-and-click?
02:06	PilzAdam	nope one bookshelf is a book with 2 sites
02:06	PilzAdam	*pages
02:07	PilzAdam	http://ompldr.org/vZmF4YQ/books.zip
02:07	NekoGloop	So basically a glorified sign or am i misunderstanding you?
02:07	PilzAdam	try it you will see
02:07	PilzAdam	place a default bookshelf anywhere
02:08	PilzAdam	rightclick it will show you 2 empty pages
02:08	PilzAdam	craft a pencil like a shovel with coal instead of the shove material
02:08	NekoGloop	Ipad
02:09	PilzAdam	punch the bookshelf and rightclick it and you can add/modify text
02:10	PilzAdam	anyone is testing it?
02:10	_2cool4me4_	see you guys
02:13	khonkhortisan	I'll have to teach ark how to show hidden folders
02:14	Keegann	LandMne my friend
02:14	Keegann	you here?
02:18	* PilzAdam	pokes VanessaE
02:19	Keegann	i guess my best friend is not here :(
02:19	VanessaE	ow.
02:19	PilzAdam	wanna test a books mod?
02:19	VanessaE	tomorrow
02:19	VanessaE	I'm half-asleep now :-)
02:19	PilzAdam	for tomorrow: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=40337#p40337
02:20	khonkhortisan	I'm three-fourths up for two days
02:20	VanessaE	khonkhortisan:  next time, drink half as much Rock Star ;-)
02:21	khonkhortisan	yeah
02:22	PilzAdam	btw still need new gunpowder inventory textures
02:22	Keegann	if anyone see my best friend LandMine tell him to come on my server :)
02:22	VanessaE	PilzAdam: I'll see if I can turn out something decent tomorrow....16px, bleah.. :-)
02:23	* PilzAdam	goes to sleep
02:23	PilzAdam	bye
02:23	VanessaE	night
02:23	Keegann	bye
02:23	Keegann	bye
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02:33	VanessaE	time for me to do the same.
02:33	VanessaE	evening saschaheylik ...  night all
02:38	Keegann	my friend mustve went to bed
02:43	Keegann	i need a source code for 0.4.2 r1
02:47	khonkhortisan	why is dirt_with_grass part of the creative inventory? dirt should look ugly when I move it.
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02:59	khonkhortisan	Anyone know why a router wouldn't save port forwarding definitions?
02:59	Keegann	did you push save
02:59	khonkhortisan	If I push save or
03:00	khonkhortisan	If I push "save" or "save and apply" it wipes it off the page, and makes the "unsaved changes" counter go to zero
03:00	Keegann	then idk
03:00	khonkhortisan	I think it boots in some special way
03:21	khonkhortisan	I'm trying to branch from the other side of a fork.
03:30	Keegann	is anyone on to talk to>?
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04:43	neko259	VanessaE: I've commented your pull request.
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05:52	khonkhortisan	Now mesecon effectors have it right. You say two types of rules, unlike one type like with conductors.
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06:03	khonkhortisan	If I had a mesecon with more than one on and off state, I could register_effector, but it only loops to the first one it finds.
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06:15	wei2912	hi
06:15	khonkhortisan	hi
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07:26	matma6	hi
07:27	matma6	i've a problem
07:27	matma6	i issued /giveme cloud and placed it
07:27	matma6	i cannot remove it
07:33	wei2912	celeron55, are there any plans for world customization?
07:34	wei2912	you can choose 1. type of terrain(s) 2. evenness (flatland, etc.)
07:36	matma6	any ideas
07:36	matma6	?
07:36	wei2912	matma6, use admin pickaxe?
07:36	wei2912	from maptools
07:36	wei2912	or worldedit
07:37	matma6	thx
07:37	wei2912	when you set the position just click on the block two times then type //dig
07:37	matma6	so i need uer a mod
07:37	matma6	w8
07:38	matma6	okay, where is documentation
07:38	wei2912	matma6, just google
07:38	matma6	because i cannot find anything on wiki
07:39	wei2912	check the forums
07:39	RealBadAngel	http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=572
07:41	wei2912	hi RealBadAngel
07:41	wei2912	mind joining my server?
07:41	RealBadAngel	hi
07:42	wei2912	wei2912server.sytes.net, port 30000
07:42	RealBadAngel	cant now, sorry, im busy
07:42	wei2912	nvm
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08:06	matma6	admin pickaxe doesn't remove cloud
08:08	matma6	okay, done with worldedit
08:09	matma6	thanks
08:09	matma6	but is any another working method for installing mods
08:09	matma6	i've installed using worldmods
08:10	matma6	i'm using linux
08:10	matma6	i wanna install it globally, not per-world
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08:15	mika__	anyone here know how to make colored blocks in glomies server, i made the wool out of vines and now wonder how to allign them in the grid with coal to make gray?
08:21	wei2912	matma6: hmm
08:21	wei2912	it should be global
08:21	* VanessaE	wanders in for a bit
08:21	matma6	no, why?
08:21	wei2912	VanessaE, flatland progess is good
08:21	VanessaE	cool
08:21	wei2912	matma6, it is global by default
08:21	wei2912	if you follow the correct steps
08:21	matma6	worldmods is per-user?
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08:21	wei2912	oh
08:22	cornernote	hey
08:22	matma6	official wiki?
08:22	wei2912	matma6, use mods/minetest/
08:22	matma6	i used it
08:22	matma6	but where
08:22	matma6	in ~/.minetest
08:22	celeron55	~/.minetest/mods/minetest/<modname> is per-user
08:22	matma6	or in /usr/share/minetest
08:22	cornernote	i ALMOST got a vs computer version of rock paper scissors lizard spock
08:23	cornernote	WOW
08:23	matma6	i can try once again
08:23	cornernote	@celeron55 in #minetest
08:23	wei2912	cornernote, lol
08:23	cornernote	responding to a newbie question
08:23	cornernote	hey celeron55
08:24	matma6	okay, that was my mistake, sorry
08:24	matma6	i placed it wrong
08:25	matma6	i think
08:25	matma6	so thanks & cya
08:25	leo_rockway	cornernote: fun!
08:25	cornernote	yeah, but uber slow
08:25	leo_rockway	cornernote: I've seen your reply about the rainbow block and it makes sense.
08:26	cornernote	i have a 3-bit clock and 3->8 decoder
08:26	leo_rockway	and about the infinite water vs water feature: it was counted as a water feature before.
08:26	cornernote	ok, sweet, then its fixed in the latest release
08:26	leo_rockway	I'll pull latest git tomorrow and check it... I have to go to sleep now
08:26	leo_rockway	bye!
08:26	cornernote	later
08:27	cornernote	i was thinking about turning the achievements part of skyblock into an achievements/stats mod
08:27	cornernote	so you can go see your achievements... ahh i have dug 27,324,697 stone today
08:28	cornernote	perhaps its time to stop digging stone and go get a life
08:28	cornernote	lol
08:28	cornernote	yeah cornernote, you're right.. a stats mod would just discourage further play =)
08:29	cornernote	yeah i know, im always right
08:29	cornernote	im right 98% of the time, who cares about the other 5% ??!!!
08:32	wei2912	98% + 5% = 103%
08:32	wei2912	cornernote ^^
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09:29	VanessaE	bbl
09:30	Calinou	lol @ rdocohaha
09:30	Calinou	<matma6> admin pickaxe doesn't remove cloud < haha I should fix that :p
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10:08	rdocochaha	admin pickaxe? *steals an admin pickaxe*
10:09	rdocochaha	jk
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10:17	whirm	hi all
10:26	Calinou	fixed it :D
10:29	* Calinou	hit 4% of his dropbox usage
10:29	Calinou	it's like I will reach 100% soon
10:29	Calinou	gtg, lunch :)
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10:41	PilzAdam	Hello everyone!
10:45	PilzAdam	Hello?
10:45	whirm	hi!
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11:22	NekoGloop	Hello.
11:23	PilzAdam	hi
11:26	NekoGloop	What's up?
11:26	PilzAdam	lunch
11:27	NekoGloop	Heh
11:27	NekoGloop	I just woke up :3
11:27	NekoGloop	Its on
11:27	NekoGloop	Djddkckd damn this keyboard
11:27	NekoGloop	only 7:30am here
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11:29	NekoGloop	Hello calinou :)
11:49	PilzAdam	NekoGloop, http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=40337#p40337
11:50	NekoGloop	Still on ipad but will check it out
11:54	Calinou	-1 for apple product
11:54	Calinou	I have an ipad though, but I should've chosen some tablet with android instead
11:54	PilzAdam	Calinou, +1 (for you not apple)
11:54	* Calinou	facepalms at himself
11:54	Calinou	:/
11:54	Calinou	andrid definitely pwns ios since its 3.0 version
11:54	Calinou	at least
11:55	NekoGloop	Well wasnt my choice to get the ipad
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12:11	NekoGloop	Hello rubenwardy
12:15	rubenwardy	hi
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12:50	rubenwardy	NekoGloop, you know how you said yesterday, that the mod support problem was impossible?
12:50	NekoGloop	Remind me of the context, i cant remember
12:50	rubenwardy	i think it was you...
12:50	NekoGloop	Like a mod UI in the title screen?
12:51	rubenwardy	converting farming:flour and growing:flour to one rubenfood:flour, with out depending
12:51	NekoGloop	Oh
12:51	rubenwardy	it is possible
12:51	rubenwardy	i have done it
12:51	NekoGloop	Alias
12:51	rubenwardy	more complicated than that
12:52	NekoGloop	Heh
12:52	NekoGloop	Not that i particularly care, but could you share?
12:53	rubenwardy	print "RubenFood [Support] - Initialising"
12:53	rubenwardy	function node_implement(modname,n_ext,n_int,resultfunc)
12:53	rubenwardy	if not minetest.get_modpath(modname) then
12:53	rubenwardy	resultfunc()
12:53	rubenwardy	else
12:53	rubenwardy	minetest.register_alias(n_int,n_ext)
12:53	rubenwardy	end
12:53	rubenwardy	end
12:53	rubenwardy	print "RubenFood [Support] - Farming Mod"
12:53	rubenwardy	node_implement("farming","farming:flour","rubenfood:flour",function()
12:53	rubenwardy	minetest.register_craftitem("rubenfood:flour", {
12:53	rubenwardy	description = "Flour",
12:53	rubenwardy	inventory_image = "farming_flour.png",
12:53	rubenwardy	})
12:53	rubenwardy	even if growing and farming do not exist, it still works
12:54	NekoGloop	So, isnt it basically just a complicated way to add an alias?
12:55	rubenwardy	even if growing and farming do not exist, it still works
12:55	rubenwardy	yes basically
12:56	rubenwardy	but it is fail proof, if farming:flour does not exist, it adds it
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13:22	NekoGloop	hello nakedfury
13:22	NakedFury	hey
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13:39	NekoGloop	So what's everyone up to?
13:39	PilzAdam	im working on farming
13:40	NekoGloop	i see
13:44	rubenwardy	i am working on food mod, and i am giving textures to PilzAdam for new crops :)
13:44	iqualfragile	im programming for another game
13:44	iqualfragile	and planning a block-detector for minetest-mesecons
13:46	PilzAdam	iqualfragile, +1 for block detctor
13:48	NekoGloop	craaaap
13:48	NekoGloop	i just did full furnace
13:50	NekoGloop	so much for that world
13:50	PilzAdam	NekoGloop, donwload lates git of Minetest, the furnace bug is fixed
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13:51	Tengri	hey
13:51	PilzAdam	hi
13:52	Tengri	Hallo Pilz
13:52	PilzAdam	Adam and not Pilz
13:52	Tengri	na dann Hallo Adam :P
13:52	PilzAdam	german?
13:52	Tengri	sure
13:52	PilzAdam	yay!
13:52	Tengri	*ole ole*
13:53	PilzAdam	kein Fußball!
13:53	Tengri	kk minetest only
13:53	Tengri	*Fahne bau*
13:53	NekoGloop	i cant compile
13:53	PilzAdam	isnt there wind build?
13:53	PilzAdam	-d
13:54	NekoGloop	yeah, on the blog, which is not updated
13:57	NekoGloop	its never updated
13:58	PilzAdam	search somewhere else
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14:05	NekoGloop	...
14:06	NekoGloop	well, i guess that i dont get the furnace bug to be fixed.
14:06	NekoGloop	maybe i can fiddle with the actual lua code itself to see if that works
14:06	PilzAdam	you can do it yourself
14:07	NekoGloop	i dont like modding default though
14:07	PilzAdam	searcht this line: print("Could not insert '"..cooked.item.."'")
14:07	PilzAdam	and remve cooked.item from it
14:07	PilzAdam	print("Could not insert item")
14:08	NekoGloop	oh i see...
14:08	NekoGloop	it cant show cooked.item because its nonexistant
14:08	PilzAdam	yes
14:08	NekoGloop	is that really it lol
14:09	NekoGloop	too late though, i already deleted the world ;_;
14:15	NekoGloop	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ngj9bXui9EQ&amp;feature=related Meow :3
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14:34	rubenwardy	i posted a bug fix on the forum for that...
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14:45	NekoGloop	wb Calinou
14:45	Calinou	hi
14:48	rubenwardy	hi
14:53	Keegann	hello
14:54	Keegann	notify me when my new best friend comes
14:54	Calinou	landmine?
14:54	Calinou	:O this channel is registered now
14:55	Keegann	yep
14:55	Calinou	someone named "Fifi" changed the topic
14:55	VanessaE	good morning all.
14:55	Calinou	staff with capital in their name
14:55	Calinou	DOES. NOT. COMPUTE
14:55	Calinou	hi VanessaE
14:55	Keegann	hi VanessaE
14:55	PilzAdam	hi VanessaE
14:55	cornernote_	hi VanesseE
14:55	cornernote_	DAMN
14:55	* VanessaE	looks at Calinou
14:56	cornernote_	i ruined it, spelled it wrong
14:56	VanessaE	hi. :-)
14:56	VanessaE	fuck
14:56	Calinou	:(
14:56	VanessaE	wrong key
14:56	VanessaE	tab != enter.
14:56	NekoGloop	Fifi is not a staff
14:56	* Calinou	wants voice
14:57	Calinou	lol I'm op
14:57	VanessaE	Calinou: so, I talked with freenode staff, explained the situation, asked if there was a solution that didn't involve renaming/redirecting the channel.  They talked with c55, noticed I was a forum mod, figured that was good enough and bingo.
14:58	VanessaE	I guess c55 musta added you to the list too
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14:59	Tengri	What is the current stable version of Minetest? (N.N)
14:59	Calinou	0.3.1
14:59	Tengri	this question ist very old, or not? have try a lot versions
14:59	cornernote_	i just keep putting in 0.4
14:59	VanessaE	Tengri: read the forums :-)
14:59	Calinou	actually the question might be outdated.
14:59	VanessaE	actually I think it's been updated t read 0.4
14:59	cornernote_	enevtually it lets me in
15:00	Calinou	try "0.3.1", "0.4", "0.4.1" and "0.4.0"
15:00	Calinou	if none of these work, I don't know what's going on
15:00	Keegann	a bug
15:00	cornernote_	and what about the other question.. the lead developer
15:00	cornernote_	c55, celeron55 ?
15:00	cornernote_	other ?
15:00	VanessaE	celeron55
15:00	Tengri	ok 0.4 works
15:01	VanessaE	but I never get that question anymore
15:01	cornernote_	cos ur a moderator
15:01	Keegann	i dont get questions anymore
15:02	cornernote	i do sometimes
15:02	cornernote	not often
15:02	Calinou	only VanessaE and celeron55 are op there
15:02	Keegann	i havent had a question since a few months
15:02	Calinou	nevermind anyway, two ops are enough for a channel of this size
15:02	Calinou	one op from US one from europe, even better :P
15:02	cornernote	and sometimes it says whats the version N.N ... i put 0.4
15:02	cornernote	and it asks again
15:02	cornernote	and i put the same
15:02	cornernote	and it lets me in
15:02	cornernote	dodgey forums =)
15:03	Tengri	yes i have the problem too atm
15:03	Tengri	now it works not...
15:03	celeron55	well it's either that, or more spam for moderators to chew through
15:03	rubenwardy	reset your browsers cookes and cache
15:03	rubenwardy	and restart
15:03	NekoGloop	Calinou: c55 can be op, when he wants to.
15:03	Calinou	:o he talked... hi
15:03	Calinou	I know
15:03	NekoGloop	:)
15:03	cornernote	i saw him earlier helping someone with a question about paths
15:04	cornernote	*shocking*
15:04	cornernote	lol
15:04	Keegann	celeron55 did you ban LandMine on here?
15:04	* NekoGloop	gives celeron55 a cookie
15:04	celeron55	Keegann: nobody is banned here
15:04	cornernote	hey celeron55, while you are here, whats new in news for minetest ?
15:04	Keegann	ok good
15:04	VanessaE	celeron55: not yet anyway >:-)
15:05	VanessaE	Keegann: most likely he got bored and wandered off
15:05	VanessaE	trolls are like that usually.
15:05	celeron55	cornernote: well i'm now trying to still throw a few fixes on 0.4.2-rc1 and then release it as 0.4.2
15:06	Keegann	when he comes i got alot of stuff to talk him about
15:06	Tengri	gnaaaa
15:06	Calinou	wtf
15:06	Calinou	tried to use a command for ban list
15:06	Calinou	I failed
15:06	NekoGloop	celeron55: will that be precompiled for windows, like the one on the blog?
15:06	Calinou	/banlist should do but it's a client side alias
15:06	VanessaE	haha
15:06	Tengri	celeron55 your "Pun stop bots question" sucks -.-
15:06	Calinou	sorry :)
15:06	VanessaE	Calinou: usually /ban without any parameters should do
15:07	VanessaE	or /mode * b
15:07	NekoGloop	[11:07] == BANLIST Unknown command
15:07	Calinou	it's a tarp ;)
15:07	VanessaE	(with no +/-)
15:07	Calinou	NekoGloop, I use xchat
15:07	celeron55	Tengri: give me a better one
15:07	Calinou	I'll try in a channel where I don't have op first :p
15:07	Tengri	what is with captcha code?
15:07	Calinou	/mode #minetest +b
15:07	Calinou	works
15:08	Calinou	noone is banned yes
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15:11	* NekoGloop	gives all of #minetest cookies
15:12	Keegann	hat kind
15:12	Keegann	what*
15:12	NekoGloop	chocolate chip, what else?
15:12	Keegann	ok
15:13	* Calinou	gives #minetest an admin pickaxe
15:13	Calinou	can now mine clouds!
15:14	VanessaE	Calinou: someone was saying earlier that even an admin pick isn't enough to dig clouds?
15:14	VanessaE	NekoGloop: the soft, chewy kind I hope
15:14	* VanessaE	hates crunchy cookies
15:14	NekoGloop	yes
15:14	NekoGloop	they're soft, chewy, and really hot, careful to not burn your fingers :)
15:15	rubenwardy	yum...
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15:18	Keegann	you see the piture of me on the forums... i am laughijng at landmine
15:18	Calinou	it can now, VanessaE
15:18	Calinou	thanks to the redefinitiobn
15:18	Calinou	-b
15:18	VanessaE	ok
15:18	VanessaE	Keegann: don't troll.
15:18	VanessaE	that's Calinou's job :D
15:18	Keegann	but he trolls me
15:18	Calinou	:)
15:19	* Calinou	pours a lava bucket on Keegann
15:19	VanessaE	hah
15:19	* NekoGloop	hits Calinou twice with an evil sword
15:19	NekoGloop	you ded :)
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15:20	Calinou	cannot give unknown item a:shit
15:20	Calinou	lol
15:20	Calinou	:P
15:26	VanessaE	Calinou: nononono you forgot to specify the mod.  it's emotions:a_shit
15:26	VanessaE	;)
15:26	Calinou	haha :)
15:27	NekoGloop	that's why it was an unknown item
15:27	NekoGloop	:D
15:29	Calinou	emotions:a_shit added to inventory.
15:29	Calinou	-!- Server: This item will explode in ten seconds.
15:29	* Calinou	ragequits
15:29	Keegann	haha
15:29	Calinou	item explodes the whole world
15:29	VanessaE	haha
15:29	Calinou	= shitstorm
15:30	rubenwardy	ouch
15:31	NekoGloop	-!- Server: You do not have the "ragequit" permission
15:31	Calinou	haha
15:32	NekoGloop	-!- You have died
15:33	Keegann	haha
15:34	* NekoGloop	changes the spawn to be over a lava pit
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15:50	NekoGloop	hello 2cool
15:50	_2cool4me4_	Hello NekoGloop
15:51	* NekoGloop	gives 2cool a cookie
15:51	_2cool4me4_	yay!
15:51	* _2cool4me4_	takes cookie politely
15:53	* NekoGloop	makes it explode >:3
15:53	* _2cool4me4_	D:'s
15:54	_2cool4me4_	god, 24 hour scans were not to be expected on a quad core system!!!
15:54	_2cool4me4_	Thinking of switching...
15:57	NekoGloop	LOL
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15:57	NekoGloop	i think he just kicked himself...
15:57	_2cool4me4_	And I'm only hogging 114 GB of ram...
15:57	_2cool4me4_	er, HDD
15:57	_2cool4me4_	if only...
15:58	Calinou	lol
15:58	Calinou	NekoGloop, quit xchat accidentally
15:58	NekoGloop	lol
15:58	NekoGloop	== Calinou [~Calinouunaffiliated/calinou] has quit [Quit: Excess Flood]
15:59	_2cool4me4_	how long should a virus scan off 100GB of files take?
15:59	Calinou	my default quit message 8)
15:59	NekoGloop	Calinou is no longer half-op?
15:59	Calinou	_2cool4me4_, dunno
15:59	Calinou	there is no half op on freenode
15:59	Calinou	VanessaE manually op'd me for fun :P
15:59	NekoGloop	you dont have +Calinou
16:00	NekoGloop	ok, no one has it :l
16:00	NekoGloop	derp
16:01	NekoGloop	forget i said anything
16:02	VanessaE	Calinou: actually you musta already been an op - because I was able to take it away from you accidentally
16:02	CIA-56	minetest: matthew.i * r2708 /trunk/src/nodedef.cpp: (log message trimmed)
16:02	CIA-56	minetest: Fix black display inside opaque water
16:02	CIA-56	minetest: Opaque water's solidness was being set to 2, like a normal node.
16:02	CIA-56	minetest: When you swim, it is treated like a solid block, and the display
16:02	CIA-56	minetest: goes black. Setting it to 1 like transparent water allows you to
16:02	CIA-56	minetest: see.
16:02	CIA-56	minetest: It looks somewhat awkward when you swim, look up, and see an opaque
16:02	CIA-56	minetest: perttu.ahola * r2709 /trunk/src/tile.cpp: Properly initialize baseimg for texture modifier [combine:WxH:X,Y=filename:X,Y=filename2
16:02	CIA-56	minetest: perttu.ahola * r2710 /trunk/src/tile.cpp: Use proper alpha blit in some more texture modifiers
16:03	NekoGloop	why do we have a cia bot?
16:03	Calinou	yay commits
16:03	Calinou	yay CIA bot
16:03	Calinou	THE CIA IS WATCHING US
16:03	* Calinou	hides
16:03	NekoGloop	just ban the bot
16:03	* _2cool4me4_	shrugs
16:03	Calinou	NekoGloop, feel free to /ignore
16:04	NekoGloop	[12:04] == IGNORE Unknown command
16:04	_2cool4me4_	uhh, CIA.vc is this: http://cia.vc/
16:05	Calinou	NekoGloop, /get_a_client
16:05	Calinou	sadly an unknown command for you 8)
16:05	NekoGloop	[12:05] == GET_A_CLIENT Unknown command
16:05	Calinou	or just soft-ignore him then
16:05	Calinou	lol
16:05	NekoGloop	[12:06] == FUCK_YOU Unknown command
16:06	Calinou	lol
16:06	NekoGloop	[12:06] == GIMME_20_DOLLARS Unknown command
16:06	* NekoGloop	hopes someone will get the reference :)
16:06	_2cool4me4_	hey hey hey
16:06	Calinou	nope
16:07	NekoGloop	Slender?
16:07	NekoGloop	:)
16:07	_2cool4me4_	I'm switching to another antivirus
16:07	mika__	2cool4me, what are you using now?
16:07	_2cool4me4_	COMODO Internet Security
16:07	_2cool4me4_	Scan times on an upwards of 24 hours, no thank you
16:08	mika__	some are slow
16:08	Calinou	why do you even use an AV?
16:08	Calinou	AVs are pointless
16:08	mika__	but it could be worse
16:08	Calinou	(why do you use windows anyway? :P)
16:08	_2cool4me4_	Calinou: I'm not on Linux
16:08	Calinou	use linux.
16:08	NekoGloop	We use windows because linux is pointless
16:08	_2cool4me4_	That's a tempting option, and one I would like to take some days, but not today
16:09	Calinou	it isn't
16:09	Calinou	free, safe, open source, fast.
16:09	_2cool4me4_	NOTHING IS SAFE
16:09	Calinou	_2cool4me4_, if you're new to linux you can try Linux Mint or Ubuntu
16:09	_2cool4me4_	ITS A CONSPIRACY
16:09	Calinou	two user-friendly distributions
16:09	_2cool4me4_	I'm not.
16:09	_2cool4me4_	Trust me, I've used Ubuntu before...
16:09	_2cool4me4_	before...
16:09	_2cool4me4_	Unity
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16:10	NekoGloop	windows: already installed on 99% of computers, runs 27% more software
16:10	mika__	but i guess you know how to use a computer
16:10	Calinou	90%
16:10	Calinou	90-9-1 rule ;)
16:10	Calinou	90% winblows, 9% mac, 1% linux
16:10	_2cool4me4_	Windows: too expensive for what it's worth...
16:10	Calinou	+1
16:10	_2cool4me4_	mac sucks too
16:10	Calinou	even if it was for free I'd choose linux
16:11	NekoGloop	free computer :)
16:11	Calinou	my distro is debian testing btw
16:11	_2cool4me4_	if it was free, there would be more software for linux
16:11	Calinou	rolling release :3
16:11	_2cool4me4_	anyway, this is a Minetest channel
16:11	Calinou	> ##linux
16:11	NekoGloop	#kill-all-linux-users
16:11	Calinou	best trollhole of freenode :P
16:11	_2cool4me4_	I'm not going there
16:11	mika__	nekogloop, something in the class with alienwares finest and windows os for free and you would consider changing?
16:11	Calinou	+1
16:11	Calinou	I don't go to ##linux
16:11	Calinou	mika__, alienware is terrible
16:12	_2cool4me4_	alienware's skinned OS only slows the poor compy down
16:12	mika__	skinned os? why god why
16:12	_2cool4me4_	put Ubuntu on an alienware and fly away
16:12	_2cool4me4_	Wheeeee!
16:13	mika__	there is several times the hardware from mine and you're telling me the os is incomplete
16:13	_2cool4me4_	I don't understand...
16:15	mika__	you say its stripped the os, and a computer worth several grands should manage to operate fully
16:15	_2cool4me4_	I don't think they stripped the OS, I think that they bloated it.
16:16	mika__	ok
16:16	_2cool4me4_	Heck, put a vanilla Windows on it and it should run faster...
16:16	_2cool4me4_	Heh, vanilla windows
16:16	mika__	i remember i've looked at alienware and the price was somewhere in 10-15k
16:17	_2cool4me4_	It's sad...
16:17	mika__	sad about such computers is often the price for assembly or logo
16:17	_2cool4me4_	No, just the logo
16:18	_2cool4me4_	It's all made in a china factory
16:19	mika__	yeah but if you check the hardware price compared to what they sell it, theres problably a few thousand extra in the price
16:19	_2cool4me4_	It's sad, but most likely true
16:20	Calinou	<_2cool4me4_> put Ubuntu on an alienware and fly away
16:20	Calinou	ubuntu is slow & bloated
16:20	Calinou	debian & xfce is easy to use, looks good and fast
16:21	mika__	friend of mine bought a apple 13" laptop for 900 bucks, the old model, it has 4gb ram and gpu shared from that 380mb
16:21	Calinou	or any other non-ubuntu-based distro
16:21	_2cool4me4_	And the Windows that they put on Alienware machines is bloated worse than one of my machines after 2 years of use.
16:21	NekoGloop	new topic: cats
16:21	_2cool4me4_	no
16:21	mika__	cats?
16:22	_2cool4me4_	new topic: Mintest, what this channel is about
16:22	_2cool4me4_	[hypocrite]
16:23	Calinou	new topic: minecraft
16:23	* Calinou	slaps everyone around a bit using a large CRC check
16:23	Calinou	for no reason
16:23	_2cool4me4_	Absolutely not
16:24	* NekoGloop	kicks _2cool4me4_
16:24	NekoGloop	now, i must take my leave
16:24	_2cool4me4_	Why did he do that?
16:24	RealBadAngel	he hates minecraft?
16:24	RealBadAngel	hi
16:24	_2cool4me4_	hello RBA
16:25	RealBadAngel	whos good in algorithms here?
16:25	Calinou	someone called mr. perlin
16:25	_2cool4me4_	*whistles*
16:28	RealBadAngel	the problem: Breadth First Search or Deep First Search on the graph
16:28	Calinou	the problem: NP = P
16:28	* _2cool4me4_	runs screaming at that sentence
16:28	RealBadAngel	need to find a path in gained graph from given vertice to another
16:28	Calinou	thank you for solving this
16:28	Calinou	just a random homework
16:29	RealBadAngel	and i dont want any greedy algorithms
16:29	RealBadAngel	i need one that iterates
16:30	RealBadAngel	so, who knows the answer? :)
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16:30	Calinou	notme
16:31	_2cool4me4_	why do you need this?
16:31	RealBadAngel	for the items to find a destination in tubes
16:32	VanessaE	RealBadAngel: still fighting it out with the water flood code?
16:32	VanessaE	ohhhh
16:32	RealBadAngel	read ^^
16:32	VanessaE	got it already, right after I hit enter :-0
16:32	VanessaE	:-)
16:32	RealBadAngel	i made already DFS on the tubes, so i do have the graph
16:33	RealBadAngel	i need then to find a way in it
16:33	RealBadAngel	but all the algorithms i found are greedy ones
16:34	VanessaE	so you have a machine at one end of the tube network, and you need to direct its output objects to some chest somewhere on the network, and you want to find the most efficient algorithm to calculate the shortest path
16:34	VanessaE	?
16:34	VanessaE	jut to make sure I understand this right
16:34	RealBadAngel	yes
16:34	VanessaE	ok
16:35	RealBadAngel	one tube is not a problem
16:35	RealBadAngel	but when you have many machines and complex tubes network?
16:35	RealBadAngel	thats the poiny
16:35	VanessaE	well, in fluid dynamics, it's pretty much random whether a particular particle takes a particular path at a junction, right?
16:35	RealBadAngel	and user can add chests or tubes anytime
16:35	VanessaE	hm
16:36	VanessaE	I guess randomness won't work here anyway
16:36	RealBadAngel	finding a path apply to tubes also
16:36	RealBadAngel	tfu
16:36	RealBadAngel	to fluids
16:36	VanessaE	what if you built the path up as the network itself is built?
16:36	RealBadAngel	user breaks it?
16:36	VanessaE	like every time a machine or tube segment is placed, recalculate the paths
16:37	VanessaE	placd or removed that is
16:37	RealBadAngel	split it in two? or joins them together?
16:37	VanessaE	that way you can use even a hugely greedy algorithm but you don't have to do it in realtime
16:37	RealBadAngel	this has to be calculated realtime
16:37	VanessaE	nono
16:38	VanessaE	think of it this way:
16:38	* RealBadAngel	listens
16:38	VanessaE	you will *always* know when a tube or machine is added to the network
16:38	VanessaE	right?
16:38	RealBadAngel	but which network?
16:38	VanessaE	by virtue of, let's say, running the autoplace/autorotate code
16:38	VanessaE	ohhhhhhh
16:38	VanessaE	I see what you mean
16:38	VanessaE	didn't think about that
16:39	RealBadAngel	user can have many tubes, pipelines
16:39	RealBadAngel	can even join them
16:39	RealBadAngel	add elements
16:39	VanessaE	well if a given collection of paths can be identified as part of a particular network as that network is built up, the calculation would still be the same
16:39	VanessaE	hrm
16:39	RealBadAngel	no
16:39	RealBadAngel	you have a path precalculated
16:39	RealBadAngel	then in the middle of it user places new chest
16:40	VanessaE	right
16:40	RealBadAngel	and would like to items follow there
16:40	VanessaE	at *that* moment, that's when you recalculate the paths
16:40	VanessaE	when the user places the chest
16:40	RealBadAngel	but it will be insane
16:41	RealBadAngel	havin to recalulate ALL the user staff on object placed
16:41	VanessaE	yeah I know
16:41	VanessaE	but it's better than trying to recalculate your paths in realtime as an object moves down the network
16:41	_2cool4me4_	I'll be back later
16:41	RealBadAngel	now with graphs i know each circuit integrity
16:41	Calinou	I read "recalculate your pants in realtime", rofl
16:41	Calinou	:)
16:41	VanessaE	how is it that computer networks do it?
16:42	VanessaE	ARP tables isn't it?
16:42	VanessaE	(it's been years since I dug into the seedier side of wide area networking, so I don't remember any of it)
16:43	RealBadAngel	i found several algorithms
16:43	RealBadAngel	A* Star, Hill Climbing
16:43	RealBadAngel	but i think they will be too much time consuming
16:44	VanessaE	well there is a problem to consider also
16:44	VanessaE	how do you even decide which chest a machine should even dump items into in the first place?
16:44	VanessaE	I don't mean the path taken to get there
16:44	VanessaE	but the destination in the first place
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16:44	RealBadAngel	i know all the desinations already in realtime
16:45	RealBadAngel	i do have graph on the tubes
16:45	VanessaE	nonono
16:45	VanessaE	forget the tubes for a moment.
16:45	RealBadAngel	chests, furnaces, pupms, tanks
16:45	RealBadAngel	these are destinations
16:45	RealBadAngel	and vertices in a graph too
16:45	PilzAdam	http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=40422#p40422
16:46	RealBadAngel	before i allow the item to be injected
16:46	VanessaE	if the user places two chests and a machine that generates objects, and a simple straight pipe between the three, how do you decide which chest it should send objects to?
16:46	RealBadAngel	i can check if any of the vertice is a valid destination
16:47	RealBadAngel	closer one
16:47	VanessaE	and if they're equidistant?
16:47	RealBadAngel	if full it will be no longer valid destination
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16:47	VanessaE	i.e. if a machine is at 0,0,0 and there are chests as -2,0,0 and +2,0,0
16:47	VanessaE	as/at
16:47	RealBadAngel	first found by an alogrithm
16:47	VanessaE	and the algorithm is..? :-)
16:48	RealBadAngel	i gues since checks used to first check right side
16:48	RealBadAngel	so theres an answer
16:48	VanessaE	ok
16:48	VanessaE	right-hand rule
16:48	VanessaE	now suppose you extend that to the tubes themselves
16:49	RealBadAngel	i already did that
16:49	VanessaE	an object always makes a right turn at a junction until it finds a chest to drop into
16:49	RealBadAngel	with deep first search
16:49	VanessaE	if no room, send it back out and it'll keep making right turns until it finds an empty one?
16:49	RealBadAngel	from any point of a network
16:49	RealBadAngel	i construct a graph of whole one
16:50	RealBadAngel	at this very time
16:50	VanessaE	hm
16:50	RealBadAngel	and store it in a list
16:50	RealBadAngel	starting point of the list is where i started to check
16:50	VanessaE	I dunno, I think a simpler rule is better, even if it isn't ideal - the user can always adjust the layout of their network to exploit it, no?
16:51	VanessaE	what sort of rule do objects in the Minecraft version use?
16:51	RealBadAngel	but look at idea of sorting with colors then
16:51	RealBadAngel	i need to find a way not to just a chest
16:51	RealBadAngel	i need to find a way to blue chest
16:51	RealBadAngel	or red one
16:52	RealBadAngel	and pass by any others
16:52	RealBadAngel	i take then valid destination from the graph
16:52	RealBadAngel	vertex that represent blue chest
16:52	RealBadAngel	-destination
16:53	RealBadAngel	and starting point
16:53	RealBadAngel	now the problem: find a way from start to destination
16:53	RealBadAngel	followin the graph of course
16:54	RealBadAngel	as for minecraft there are 3 systems in use
16:55	RealBadAngel	1st very simplified: its buildcraft
16:55	RealBadAngel	works like you said
16:55	RealBadAngel	first found, nothin more
16:55	RealBadAngel	2nd, logistics pipes: this one is build on nodes
16:56	RealBadAngel	you have to manually add crossing nodes, so in fact you build the graphs for yourself
16:56	RealBadAngel	so items travel from node to node just
16:56	RealBadAngel	3rd most advanced is RedPower's one
16:57	RealBadAngel	usin the same rules im talkin about
16:57	RealBadAngel	self adapting realtime
16:59	VanessaE	well, I asked abe
17:00	VanessaE	his first suggestion?  fluid dynamics.  make it totally random
17:00	VanessaE	it would sure be easier :D
17:00	VanessaE	but less than idea
17:00	VanessaE	ideal
17:00	RealBadAngel	could be done, but still items cannot travel at random ;)
17:00	VanessaE	it's almost like a map routing algorithm
17:00	VanessaE	like takign a long trip with many stops
17:01	VanessaE	Traveling salesman problem
17:01	RealBadAngel	i am thinkin adding a "parent" variable to the graph
17:01	VanessaE	I don't think anyone has really solved it yet, hence Calinou's implication of P != NP
17:01	VanessaE	(though no one's ever explained that bit to me, why those letters etc, but that's off topic)
17:01	RealBadAngel	so i could do reverse path from destination to the start
17:02	RealBadAngel	lemme show you exactly what i mean and what i got here
17:02	RealBadAngel	hold on
17:03	RealBadAngel	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breadth-first_search
17:03	RealBadAngel	look on the picture to the right
17:03	RealBadAngel	the graph
17:03	RealBadAngel	i got all the point
17:03	RealBadAngel	if i want to go from 1 to 10
17:04	RealBadAngel	path should be 1,2,5,10
17:05	RealBadAngel	btw: im using exactly different one now: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depth-first_search
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17:07	NekoGloop	Congrats to PilzAdam for updating farming with even more crops
17:08	RealBadAngel	i think i will try to record for every vertice its parent one
17:08	RealBadAngel	it may work
17:09	thexyz	what complexity do you need?
17:09	NekoGloop	tubes?
17:09	RealBadAngel	still
17:10	NekoGloop	ok
17:10	thexyz	i mean, i don't see problem with dfs/bfs
17:10	RealBadAngel	dfs or bfs is givin me a graphs
17:11	RealBadAngel	and not the path within it
17:11	thexyz	then you need to find (shortest) path from one vertex to another?
17:11	RealBadAngel	exactly
17:11	RealBadAngel	first found also will do
17:11	thexyz	how about meet-in-the-middle then?
17:11	RealBadAngel	dont need to make it too complex
17:11	thexyz	or run another dfs/bfs on that graph
17:12	RealBadAngel	and stop when destination is found again?
17:12	RealBadAngel	could be an idea
17:12	RealBadAngel	but not with dfs
17:12	thexyz	why?
17:13	RealBadAngel	shall rather run bfs on dfs aquired data
17:13	RealBadAngel	dfs is kinda vertical
17:13	thexyz	?
17:13	RealBadAngel	bfs follows the paths
17:13	thexyz	wtf is "vertical"?
17:13	RealBadAngel	and returns to the start when it ends
17:13	thexyz	hey, dfs is an algorithm
17:13	thexyz	so it depends on your implementation
17:14	mika__	VanessaE, why doesnt hibernate work in xubuntu?
17:14	VanessaE	mika__: do you have a swap partition?
17:14	RealBadAngel	dfs dont follow the path
17:14	thexyz	what do you mean by "follow the path"?
17:14	mika__	all i know it worked in ubuntu
17:14	RealBadAngel	hold on, have somwhere animation for it
17:15	VanessaE	mika__: not really sure then, for me it's always 'just worked' but then, I don't use hibernate or suspend much anymore, I just leave it up or turn the damn thing off :)
17:15	mika__	failed to hibernate session, not authorized
17:15	mika__	i hibernate cause of this little box of a room i have it in
17:16	VanessaE	mika__: I really don't know.  it's been too long since I last messed with that.
17:16	mika__	ok
17:17	rdococ	I hibernate a lot.
17:18	* NekoGloop	gives VanessaE a cookie
17:18	RealBadAngel	bfs : http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/46/Animated_BFS.gif
17:19	RealBadAngel	dfs: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5d/Depth-first-tree.png/200px-Depth-first-tree.png
17:19	RealBadAngel	numbers means the order in which vertices are visited
17:19	thexyz	i suggest you to know algorithms instead of giving me some animated gifs ;)
17:19	PilzAdam	this is the best bug report ive ever seen! http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=40425#p40425
17:20	VanessaE	PilzAdam: haha
17:20	RealBadAngel	these pictures show the difference between those two
17:20	RealBadAngel	result is the same
17:20	RealBadAngel	only the way is different
17:22	VanessaE	what about depth-limited search?
17:22	VanessaE	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depth-limited_search
17:22	VanessaE	this one I mean.
17:23	VanessaE	that looks like the kind of algorithm I usually follow when I'm sorting through something manually.
17:23	NekoGloop	PilzAdam: I think it isnt working for him :)
17:23	PilzAdam	VanessaE, theres no picture so RealBadAngel wont understand it :p
17:23	VanessaE	heh
17:24	VanessaE	or better
17:24	VanessaE	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iterative_deepening_depth-first_search
17:24	VanessaE	looks to be a good balance betwen dfs and bfs.
17:24	VanessaE	+e
17:26	thexyz	i still don't see problem in using dfs or bfs
17:26	VanessaE	thexyz: CPU usage; I get the impression he wants to do this in realtime as each item traverses the tube network
17:26	RealBadAngel	because they dont give you a path just the complete graphs?
17:26	thexyz	RealBadAngel: you don't seem to understand me
17:26	thexyz	that depends on how you use it
17:27	thexyz	you may use it for building graph
17:27	thexyz	you may use it for searching paths
17:27	RealBadAngel	even stoppnin them on found destination
17:27	thexyz	you don't really need to have that graph in memory
17:27	RealBadAngel	can mean you just found longest one
17:27	NekoGloop	my creative inventory is almost 1000 :)
17:27	thexyz	if you need to search for shortest path use BFS
17:27	RealBadAngel	because on how they visit next vertices
17:27	thexyz	or dijkstra algorithm when you have different edges weights
17:28	RealBadAngel	weights r the same
17:28	NekoGloop	actual amount of nodes is probably closer to 2000 though
17:28	celeron55	i don't really know what you are talking about, but i suggest BFS with some kind of caching
17:29	thexyz	then when you need to find shortest path from one vertex to all other use BFS
17:29	Keegann	hello
17:29	RealBadAngel	celeron55: lookin for a shortest way in known graph from start to destination
17:29	NekoGloop	celeron55: can i just ask a simple question? why cant the hand break cracky=3? it should be able to do so, if even slowly.
17:30	thexyz	or if you only need to find shortest path between two vertexs use BFS with meet-in-the-middle
17:30	PilzAdam	celeron55, i have a general suggestion: there should be more congigurations of the minetest.conf be added to the GUI. its annoying that you always have to close minetst, edit the conf file and then restaart minetst.
17:30	thexyz	that'll be a little faster
17:31	Calinou	PilzAdam, yeah, like ability to change view distance in menus, would be cool
17:31	Calinou	dunno if the +- stuff is persistent but it can't be used on netbooks without numpad
17:31	celeron55	PilzAdam: i agree, but that is on a long to-do list
17:31	RealBadAngel	i think i will modify the graph with this "parent node" idea
17:31	RealBadAngel	and reverse the path
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17:32	thexyz	you mean you don't have cycles in graph?
17:33	RealBadAngel	dfs or bfs checks if node was already visited
17:33	RealBadAngel	so no cycles
17:34	RealBadAngel	this way node cannot be parent and the child at the same time
17:34	Basstard`	Resistance is useless!
17:34	* NekoGloop	gives RealBadAngel a cookie
17:35	NekoGloop	now, i have two mods that are decently useful but unreleased.
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17:35	thexyz	why can't you simply find shortest way instead of building graph? where do you use it?
17:35	RealBadAngel	because i have to know all the possible destinations in the graph
17:36	NekoGloop	cactusmod (makes cacti hurt you and randomly drop cactus fruits), and charcoal (char tree, jungletree, and wood into charcoal, which makes torches and is a fuel in a furnace)
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17:36	NekoGloop	anyone want me to release either?
17:36	RealBadAngel	chests, furnaces, all the machines able to be valid destinations for items
17:36	PilzAdam	the cactus mod seems interesting
17:36	Tengri	thx thexyz
17:36	RealBadAngel	and for sorting reasons
17:36	NekoGloop	cactusmod is actually semi-unfinished, due to my lazyness
17:37	PilzAdam	:-(
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17:37	NekoGloop	I want to add a cactus sword/club, but have no idea for an image
17:37	RealBadAngel	and with the graph i do have all the time clear wiev what is actually connected to the network
17:37	RealBadAngel	realtime
17:38	thexyz	that's strange
17:38	thexyz	i mean, your algorithm will not always find shortest paths
17:38	RealBadAngel	now, each time the item travellin the tube, when meets point with possibility to change its direction vector
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17:39	NekoGloop	PilzAdam: make me a cactus club image, in the style of default, then I'll release it.
17:39	RealBadAngel	shall choose where to go
17:39	NekoGloop	cool the cia left :)
17:40	RealBadAngel	coding the "parent" way
17:40	RealBadAngel	gonna check how it will work
17:41	PilzAdam	NekoGloop, why should I do your work?
17:42	NekoGloop	Because you want the mod, and I've no idea how to do the image.
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17:46	PilzAdam	NekoGloop, you asked what mod you should release and ive said cactus sounds interesting
17:46	NekoGloop	ok :)
17:46	PilzAdam	i didnt say that i want it or use it
17:46	NekoGloop	well then i guess i wont release it
17:47	RealBadAngel	Cloopoctus mod?
17:47	RealBadAngel	G
17:47	NekoGloop	What?
17:47	RealBadAngel	cactus mod made by gloop
17:47	RealBadAngel	Gloopoctus ;)
17:48	NekoGloop	no, just cactusmod
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17:49	FalconX	can anyone tell me, is it hard to make mobs three-dimensional and hitbox more advanced?
17:50	NekoGloop	yes it is
17:50	FalconX	not only mobs, all entities.
17:50	PilzAdam	hitbox is only a cube
17:50	PilzAdam	you cant change it
17:50	PilzAdam	only the size of the cube
17:50	FalconX	yeah, i see it when i walk through the door.
17:51	PilzAdam	for 3D mobs you have to design a nodebox node and that create a wielditem entity of it
17:51	PilzAdam	*then
17:52	FalconX	and it will be entity(like oerkki), or block(like nyancat)
17:52	FalconX	i think nyan cat is block
17:53	NekoGloop	nyancat is block in default, but in nyanland mod its also an entity
17:53	PilzAdam	FalconX, it will be an entity
17:53	Keegann	can you find nyancat or only spawn them
17:53	PilzAdam	you use the wielditem entity of a cube
17:54	PilzAdam	Keegann, you can find it
17:54	Keegann	how
17:54	PilzAdam	http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=40202#p40202
17:54	neko259	Hi everyon!
17:54	neko259	*e
17:54	PilzAdam	hi
17:54	FalconX	i think only-cube hitbox is faster for physics engine, but it could be also cuboid.
17:55	NekoGloop	hello fellow neko :)
17:55	Keegann	cool
17:56	VanessaE	bbl
17:56	Keegann	ok
17:56	FalconX	I like minetest, It's good for older computers.
17:56	Keegann	is landmine here yey?
17:57	Keegann	yet*
17:58	FalconX	what the f**k is MESE
17:58	PilzAdam	FalconX, the rarest material in MT
17:58	PilzAdam	you can craft the best pickaxe with it
17:58	NekoGloop	best pickaxe in vanilla minetest anyhow
17:58	PilzAdam	it will destroy everything within <1sec.
17:59	FalconX	yeah, i like new Mod API, celeron shouldn't remove it.
17:59	FalconX	i like mese
17:59	PilzAdam	why should c55 remove the API?
18:00	NekoGloop	why WOULD he?
18:01	FalconX	i was reading IRC log, and he was thinking about removing Lua from the game.
18:01	PilzAdam	link?
18:02	FalconX	no link, i was reading when i was on my aunt computer, I don't know if it was he, or somebody stole his nickname.
18:02	FalconX	maybe second
18:03	PilzAdam	removing the API is the most stupid thing a human can do
18:03	FalconX	yeah, i think so.
18:03	FalconX	Minetest couldn't be so great without mods
18:03	PilzAdam	MT would be nothing without mods
18:03	NekoGloop	dare i say... it was landmine?
18:03	FalconX	and keeping all game logics inside C++ code is silly.
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18:04	FalconX	Minetest engine is developing very slowly.
18:05	NekoGloop	yet the mods just keep coming :)
18:06	FalconX	Soooo many mods and no-one gave All Rights Reserved license
18:07	NekoGloop	yup
18:07	FalconX	i see only WTFPL GPL LGPL BSD public-domain CC.
18:07	PilzAdam	WTFPL FTW
18:07	FalconX	don't know what's WTFPL license
18:07	FalconX	?
18:07	PilzAdam	Do what the fuck you want to public license
18:08	NekoGloop	Whatever The Fuck you want to Public Liscence
18:08	FalconX	i like all copyleft licenses.
18:08	PilzAdam	http://sam.zoy.org/wtfpl/COPYING
18:08	NekoGloop	I like my version better
18:08	PilzAdam	NekoGloop, yours is false
18:09	NekoGloop	but i like it better :)
18:09	RealBadAngel	coool, remembering the parent vertice works :)
18:09	FalconX	should i download mintest-c55 or delta fork
18:10	PilzAdam	idk
18:10	RealBadAngel	DFS with such addition works just fine
18:11	RealBadAngel	table is bigger just one entry, to remember the parent
18:11	RealBadAngel	so i take just destination vertice, and goin up lookin for its parents
18:12	RealBadAngel	until im at check starting node
18:12	RealBadAngel	and move to to its child in destination direction
18:13	FalconX	MT mods are good, cos' i can do modpack without even asking just make modpack, and make credits file.
18:13	RealBadAngel	maybe it wont find BEST possible way
18:13	RealBadAngel	but its workin pretty well
18:14	NekoGloop	FalconX: try gloopblocks, gloopores, and toolsizes, my mods :)
18:14	iqualfragile	DO NOT use gloopores
18:14	FalconX	yeah, i'll try to remember.
18:14	iqualfragile	if you dont want rainbowcaves
18:14	RealBadAngel	sorry, gloop ;)
18:15	NekoGloop	what lol
18:15	NekoGloop	rainbow caves is moreores + gloopores
18:15	NekoGloop	:)
18:15	iqualfragile	but moreores are spread further
18:15	FalconX	my mod pack will count as another game in minetest, probably.
18:15	NekoGloop	not really, from my usage
18:15	iqualfragile	i would like to add gloopores but only parts
18:16	NekoGloop	but if you all are going to whine so much, i'll update the freakin thing
18:16	RealBadAngel	WTFPL?
18:16	NekoGloop	WTFPL for what?
18:16	iqualfragile	could you please split it into two parts: one for the ores in desert-sand and maybee the eatable/torch ore
18:16	iqualfragile	and one for the rainbowcaves?
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18:16	RealBadAngel	take the code and adapt it
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18:16	RealBadAngel	gloop is busy with cacti ;)
18:16	NekoGloop	iqualfragile: now that i have a little more lua experience, that's possible
18:16	FalconX	is it better to make mod pack as separate game(mode) in minetest, or just a mod.
18:17	RealBadAngel	who knos
18:17	RealBadAngel	its up 2 u
18:17	iqualfragile	falconx: seperate gamemode
18:17	NekoGloop	RealBadAngel: technically I'm not doing anything with cacti atm, i want textures for cactus club.
18:17	iqualfragile	otherwise modpacks dont rly make sense to me
18:17	NekoGloop	and I'm too lazy :)
18:17	RealBadAngel	heheh
18:18	RealBadAngel	im happy today
18:18	RealBadAngel	finished items logic :)
18:18	FalconX	yeah, but all modpacks here are just many mods installed as one mod.
18:19	RealBadAngel	now the items to land in inventories, and all will be done with tubes
18:19	NekoGloop	RealBadAngel: feel up to making a little cactus club texture in default style?
18:20	RealBadAngel	hmmmm
18:20	NekoGloop	btw: cactusmod will have only default dependancy
18:21	RealBadAngel	u mean somethin like this? http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/114623/
18:22	FalconX	ok, bye.
18:22	NekoGloop	RealBadAngel: no, as a tool :)
18:22	NekoGloop	it will be semi-unique with its uses though
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18:23	RealBadAngel	doin what? hittin some1 in head?
18:23	NekoGloop	heh
18:23	NekoGloop	that will be its main use, yes :)
18:23	RealBadAngel	and the uniques?
18:24	NekoGloop	snappy=2, bendy=2, and cracky=3.
18:24	RealBadAngel	thorn damage +10?
18:24	NekoGloop	sound good?
18:24	RealBadAngel	wears out fast
18:25	RealBadAngel	lotsa damage
18:25	RealBadAngel	sounds good
18:25	NekoGloop	well, it wears out at rate of wood
18:25	RealBadAngel	faster
18:25	NekoGloop	hrm...
18:25	RealBadAngel	half of it, such deadly weapon shall not last long
18:25	NekoGloop	i tried that once, didnt work so well, i think wood is the lowest possible
18:26	RealBadAngel	do it manually
18:26	RealBadAngel	on_use
18:26	RealBadAngel	it can have even 5 uses
18:26	NekoGloop	besides, evil tools are half :)
18:26	RealBadAngel	if you wish
18:26	RealBadAngel	i do that with batteries
18:27	RealBadAngel	i define uses (energy stored) and then use "wear" to store the value
18:28	RealBadAngel	kinda weird way, reverse storage, and recalculating from 1-65535, but works
18:28	RealBadAngel	hold on for a while
18:28	NekoGloop	anyway, i need an image for the tool
18:28	NekoGloop	the tool's actual abilities are not set in stone as of yet
18:29	RealBadAngel	http://pastebin.com/0sf67bFk
18:29	RealBadAngel	two functions to restore x/max from "wear"
18:30	RealBadAngel	and reverse x/max to "wear"
18:30	NekoGloop	you DO know i have the technic mod, and could look it up whenever i wish, right?
18:30	RealBadAngel	so you can define there 5 usages max, or whatever
18:30	RealBadAngel	i just pointed it :P
18:33	RealBadAngel	reason i used "wear", instead of just a variable
18:33	RealBadAngel	was to have "wear" bar under the item in inventory
18:33	NekoGloop	i know
18:35	RealBadAngel	but this way you can define your own behaviour to your tool
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18:35	RealBadAngel	no need to depend on built in ones
18:36	NakedFury	hey peeps
18:36	RealBadAngel	get dressed ;) hi
18:36	NekoGloop	lol
18:39	RealBadAngel	ha, because of pointin that 2 funcs
18:40	RealBadAngel	i improved one a bit
18:40	NekoGloop	you're welcome?
18:40	RealBadAngel	why the heck i used floor +.5 instead of ceil?
18:40	NekoGloop	i dont even know what those are :)
18:41	RealBadAngel	floor is rounding to 0
18:41	RealBadAngel	ceil is goin to 1
18:42	NekoGloop	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiQ4xA7DJBY&amp;feature=related
18:42	NakedFury	YouTube 【ゼブラ】マトリョシカ【はしやん】 [User: CharlinaP] [Views: 393961] [1261] [24] [Time: 00:03:22]
18:42	NekoGloop	cool
18:42	NekoGloop	so, obviously, its a japanese vid :)
18:43	RealBadAngel	no, i think insane aliens made it
18:43	RealBadAngel	after drinkin too much sake
18:43	NekoGloop	Well the people singing are kinda... insane themselves :)
18:44	RealBadAngel	tell that to every man shavin in the mornin and singin to the mirror :P
18:45	NekoGloop	who?
18:45	RealBadAngel	youre not man or not shavin? ;)
18:45	NekoGloop	not shavin
18:45	RealBadAngel	hehehe
18:45	NekoGloop	and not singing in a mirror :)
18:46	RealBadAngel	as for me from japanese music only Hamasaki is acceptable
18:46	RealBadAngel	dont goin to change my mind
18:46	NekoGloop	now, someone tell me why no standard tools break bendy nodes?
18:47	NekoGloop	got an image yet? ;)
18:47	RealBadAngel	u really want me to do that?
18:47	RealBadAngel	uh, ok
18:47	RealBadAngel	size?
18:47	NekoGloop	16x16
18:47	NekoGloop	mesh with default textures
18:48	NekoGloop	that is, it needs to look like a default tool
18:48	RealBadAngel	ok, lookin for a club first
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18:50	RealBadAngel	got a bat
18:50	NekoGloop	i will update toolsizes to support the cactus club, as well
18:50	RealBadAngel	now makin in green and dangerous
18:50	NekoGloop	make sure to use to use cactus colors
18:50	Voltaire	test
18:50	NekoGloop	hello Voltaire
18:50	NekoGloop	test recieved
18:50	PilzAdam	Voltaire, its Minetest
18:51	Voltaire	Hey Neko
18:51	Voltaire	lol
18:51	Voltaire	Just booted my computer from standby, wasnt expecting IRC to reconnect so smothly :)
18:52	NekoGloop	heh
18:54	PilzAdam	gtg
18:54	PilzAdam	bye
18:54	Voltaire	cya
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18:58	RealBadAngel	neko:http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/9027/cacticlub.png
18:59	NekoGloop	i said both 16x16 and default style...
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18:59	NekoGloop	meh, if you cant get someone else to do it right, do it yourself.
18:59	RealBadAngel	what is default in cacti bat anyway? ;)
19:00	NekoGloop	i meant have it look like a default tool, e.g. wood sword
19:00	RealBadAngel	there are no clubs or bats in game :P
19:00	FreeFull	Minecraft should have a bat, so you could play ghastball
19:00	RealBadAngel	and club is a bit different from sword, dont ya think?
19:01	NekoGloop	as i said previous:
19:01	NekoGloop	meh, if you cant get someone else to do it right, do it yourself.
19:01	RealBadAngel	:P isnt it cute?
19:01	NekoGloop	a bat cant be cute
19:02	NekoGloop	http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=fvwp&amp;NR=1&amp;v=iqT0iFZifgw this can be cute, but not a bat :)
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19:02	RealBadAngel	:p not again plz
19:02	RealBadAngel	check the mine, how it looks in game
19:02	RealBadAngel	then say
19:02	NekoGloop	player holds it backwards
19:03	RealBadAngel	flip it?
19:03	NekoGloop	i'm too lazy
19:03	Voltaire	ohhh God! MY ears are bleading!
19:03	NekoGloop	i'd prefer to make it default style and 16x16 and proper cactus colors :)
19:04	NekoGloop	Voltaire: ?
19:04	Voltaire	NekoGloop: Please provide safety warnings before positing links :)
19:04	NekoGloop	that isnt a safety hazrd
19:04	RealBadAngel	http://img803.imageshack.us/img803/9027/cacticlub.png
19:04	NekoGloop	and if it is, turn your speakers down :)
19:05	RealBadAngel	here you got flipped one
19:06	Voltaire	I suppose it could have been worse...it could have been a lolcats video.
19:07	RealBadAngel	to find such links you have to drink lotsa sake first
19:08	Voltaire	lol
19:08	NekoGloop	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2RaehsIbkU&amp;feature=related irony > 9000
19:09	RealBadAngel	bow to the one who was able to drink a lot of sake and havent forgot how copy paste works
19:10	Voltaire	sword sword sword diamond sword sword
19:11	Voltaire	Damn. I am never going to get that out of my head now.
19:11	NekoGloop	*trollface*
19:11	RealBadAngel	dont even try
19:11	RealBadAngel	to past any more links
19:11	RealBadAngel	:P
19:11	NekoGloop	heh
19:12	FreeFull	https://www.google.com/
19:12	NekoGloop	LOL
19:12	RealBadAngel	oh, thats nice now
19:12	NekoGloop	no http://www.bing.com
19:12	RealBadAngel	i know it from somewhere
19:12	Voltaire	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gp3yd07z7_E&amp;feature=related
19:13	Voltaire	just pretend mine**** is minetest.
19:13	NekoGloop	lol
19:13	hmmmm	i knew a kid who said "oh just bing it" once, he was a huge faggot
19:14	RealBadAngel	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNGZHkgtqHM
19:14	RealBadAngel	this is 2nd to the best one
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19:15	RealBadAngel	and thats the best: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPJUBQd-PNM
19:15	Voltaire	Well at least they went out with a bang.
19:21	Voltaire	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-sH53vXP2A&amp;feature=relmfu
19:21	Voltaire	Wouldnt it be awsome if we could actually make in game look like this
19:22	NekoGloop	minecraft can, with a mod that likely sucks about 150% more CPU than it does normally.
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19:24	Voltaire	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-sH53vXP2A&amp;feature=player_detailpage#t=155s
19:24	Voltaire	Now that is an idea.
19:25	hmmmm	shaders... that's extremely intensive, since there are so many polys on a minetest map
19:25	hmmmm	it's not too plausible
19:27	RealBadAngel	oh, finally found that vid
19:27	RealBadAngel	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fi4gvDXBX4
19:27	Voltaire	I mean a stand for putting your weapons, armour etc.
19:28	NekoGloop	first, actual armor :)
19:31	RealBadAngel	some1 could mesecons controlled music nodes
19:31	RealBadAngel	as here
19:31	Voltaire	Timings would have to be pretty spot on. Im actually supprised there isnt more drift as they move arround the map.
19:34	Keegann	does anyone know miinetest 0.4.1 IRC patch is?
19:35	NekoGloop	i dont think there is one, if i understand you properly
19:35	Voltaire	IRC patch?
19:35	Keegann	there is but i cant put it in game
19:35	RealBadAngel	lol
19:35	RealBadAngel	landmine told ya bout it?
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19:35	NekoGloop	Voltaire: allows you to access this channel from minetest
19:36	Keegann	no Orby did
19:37	_2cool4me4_	Dang, even if I get the computer finished, how would I program it?
19:37	Orby	There is a very shoddy alpha of an IRC patch
19:37	Orby	that will only compile on *nix
19:38	Orby	I don't recommend using it
19:38	Orby	nor am I generally distributing it
19:38	NekoGloop	_2cool4me4_: like redstone, i hear some of those have programming interfaces
19:38	RealBadAngel	Orby: but it works?
19:39	RealBadAngel	have you messed with engine or lua?
19:40	_2cool4me4_	NekoGloop: No, they use a map flasher to put the new data in the computer, without that, you're forced to put in every single bit.
19:40	Orby	RealBadAngel: yes, it works
19:41	Orby	with some modifications
19:41	Orby	messed with the engine
19:41	Orby	it can't really be done in lua
19:41	RealBadAngel	why not?
19:41	Orby	because lua doesn't support sockets
19:41	Orby	you need a 3rd party lib
19:41	RealBadAngel	who cares
19:41	NekoGloop	lua cant connect to the internet :)
19:41	RealBadAngel	stream to the file
19:41	Orby	if you can't use sockets you certainly can't connect to an irc server
19:42	Orby	realbadangel: thats true
19:42	RealBadAngel	and let lua read the file
19:42	Orby	that would be a smart way to do it as well
19:42	RealBadAngel	i made streaming oggs this way
19:42	Orby	yeah, that's probably a better way to do it
19:42	Orby	I just happened to be working on some irc code at the time which was easy to plug in to the server code, so I did
19:42	RealBadAngel	no game modification needed
19:43	Orby	*shrugs* its pretty trivial either way, but I like your idea
19:43	RealBadAngel	this way you can stream any data to the game
19:43	RealBadAngel	and you dont have to force folks to use your fork
19:43	NekoGloop	make an computer node :)
19:44	NekoGloop	connects to irc
19:44	RealBadAngel	and window with chat open
19:44	RealBadAngel	excellent idea
19:45	RealBadAngel	run just the plugine *before* game
19:45	RealBadAngel	then use it inside
19:45	RealBadAngel	no need to fork then, just the start batch
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19:46	NekoGloop	c i a's back
19:46	RealBadAngel	hide ur beer
19:46	NekoGloop	remind me why its here?
19:46	MiJyn	:(
19:47	MiJyn	to somehow say what new commits got made
19:47	NekoGloop	oh its not the cia I'm thinking of
19:47	whirm	XDDD
19:47	NekoGloop	:)
19:47	Orby	RealBadAngel: feel free to work on it if you'd like, I didn't have any intentions of releasing an IRC mod
19:47	Orby	just a toy I was playing with on our server
19:48	RealBadAngel	i do have enough work on my own
19:48	RealBadAngel	feel free to take the idea
19:48	RealBadAngel	you can even stream to server sent cache files
19:49	RealBadAngel	names will remain the same
19:49	RealBadAngel	prepare file with know length, look for it
19:49	RealBadAngel	and stream to it
19:49	_2cool4me4_	Hey, worldedit can save mese torches.
19:49	_2cool4me4_	Problem solved... I think
19:50	RealBadAngel	you can transfer to lua any data then
19:50	NekoGloop	worldedit can save mese torches because no actual data is stored in the node itself
19:50	NekoGloop	now to make sure i spelled everything right...
19:51	_2cool4me4_	So if I build the Program ROM on mese torches, then Worldedit can help a lot
19:51	NekoGloop	cool beans. my mods loaded :)
19:51	_2cool4me4_	good job
19:52	NekoGloop	shitshitshitshit
19:52	_2cool4me4_	bad neko bad
19:52	NekoGloop	i did something horribly wrong
19:52	NekoGloop	oh shut up
19:53	_2cool4me4_	rawr
19:53	_2cool4me4_	so what's wrong?
19:53	NekoGloop	toolsizes, i changed the algorithm just enough that it didnt work at all
19:54	_2cool4me4_	oh
19:54	_2cool4me4_	but you have backups, right?
19:54	NekoGloop	well i can just revert it, i remember what it was
19:54	_2cool4me4_	\Yay!
19:54	NekoGloop	not like anyone uses toolsizes
19:54	Voltaire	Perhaps a mod to create a fork of a world?
19:55	_2cool4me4_	what
19:56	NekoGloop	no one uses toolsizes ;_;
19:57	* VanessaE	is back
19:57	_2cool4me4_	Sowwy, I has no use for big tools
19:57	_2cool4me4_	Bye nekogloop #2
19:58	NekoGloop	mining is about twice the speed with large tools, and about 1/2 faster with medium
19:58	_2cool4me4_	ohh
19:58	NekoGloop	oh and large swords are freakin OP in pvp :)
19:58	_2cool4me4_	But I have to go back to my ALU that is difficult to make
20:00	VanessaE	woohoo!  my Junglegrass mod and my version of Flowers are now officially part of Nature Pack
20:00	VanessaE	also, hi all
20:00	Basstard`	Is larger better if it ends quicker?
20:00	NekoGloop	and the tools also last longer
20:01	jin_xi	Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
20:01	Voltaire	Hi Vanessae
20:02	Basstard`	jin_xi: Hang on, what did you just say?
20:02	NekoGloop	for once, i agree with basstard. wtf did you just say jin_xi
20:02	VanessaE	jin_xi: haha
20:02	VanessaE	Basstard`, NekoGloop - it's a meme.
20:03	Basstard`	NekoGloop: Isn't this the second time?
20:03	NekoGloop	nope
20:03	VanessaE	http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/has-anyone-really-been-far-even-as-decided-to-use-even-go-want-to-do-look-more-like'
20:03	VanessaE	http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/has-anyone-really-been-far-even-as-decided-to-use-even-go-want-to-do-look-more-like
20:03	VanessaE	stupid hands.
20:04	* NekoGloop	gives vanessae a cookie for link spam :)
20:05	VanessaE	haha
20:05	Basstard`	Cookies and spam.
20:05	VanessaE	doesn't help when I copy&paste and then hit a wrong key on the way to the Enter key :-_)
20:05	VanessaE	:-)
20:06	Keegann	do you know how to put minetest 0.4.1 IRC patch into my minetest folder
20:06	VanessaE	no clue
20:06	VanessaE	is it a mod?
20:06	VanessaE	or a source code patch?
20:07	Keegann	source code patch
20:07	VanessaE	oh
20:07	_2cool4me4_	µCScript.µCScript.µCScript.µCScript.
20:07	Keegann	since Orby cant tell me
20:07	VanessaE	well don't use 0.4.1 it's too buggy
20:07	_2cool4me4_	It goes over and over in my head
20:07	VanessaE	as you recently discovered :-)
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20:07	Keegann	idk if there is a 0.4.2 r1 one
20:08	VanessaE	_2cool4me4_: here, this'll wipe that out real quick;  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81LQnWPVqSI
20:08	VanessaE	Keegann: I'm sure a new one will be developed
20:08	VanessaE	but for now best to do without it
20:08	_2cool4me4_	VanessaE: my exact face: 0_0
20:08	VanessaE	HAHA
20:08	VanessaE	lol
20:09	_2cool4me4_	how do you pronounce µCScript?
20:10	_2cool4me4_	silence in #minetest
20:10	NekoGloop	you pronounce it like: random()
20:11	_2cool4me4_	ohh
20:11	_2cool4me4_	This:http://translate.google.com/#en/de/%C2%B5CScript.
20:11	NekoGloop	because µ == "micro"
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20:12	NekoGloop	creative invetory size for me is now EXACTLY 1000
20:12	FreeFull	Ω == "omega"
20:12	_2cool4me4_	Hey, join channel #_2cool4me4_channel24
20:13	_2cool4me4_	let's see what happens
20:13	Basstard`	_2cool4me4_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mu_(letter)
20:13	_2cool4me4_	I see what you did there neko
20:13	Keegann	how do i stop Could not insert 'default:steel_ingot'
20:14	NekoGloop	i did nothing :)
20:14	NekoGloop	ofc i mispelled something in cactusmod
20:14	_2cool4me4_	I just ping'd myself
20:14	NekoGloop	cool
20:14	_2cool4me4_	still waiting for response.
20:15	NekoGloop	LOL
20:15	_2cool4me4_	WHY CAN'T I TALK TO MYSELF
20:15	NekoGloop	i just PM'd myself
20:15	_2cool4me4_	bahahahaha!
20:15	NekoGloop	try using /msg instead of /query
20:16	NekoGloop	er...
20:16	NekoGloop	why?
20:16	_2cool4me4_	because I can
20:16	_2cool4me4_	you have a nice ping
20:16	_2cool4me4_	I don't
20:16	NekoGloop	what does it say to you?
20:16	_2cool4me4_	0.936 seconds
20:16	_2cool4me4_	Mosly a bad part on my end
20:16	NekoGloop	i just get a bunch of numbers for my pings
20:17	_2cool4me4_	I'm still waiting for my ping reply
20:17	NekoGloop	[16:16] _2cool4me4_ [~IceChat7751.sub-97-16-114.myvzw.com] requested CTCP PING from NekoGloop: 70893016
20:17	_2cool4me4_	neko, ping yourself
20:17	NekoGloop	how?
20:17	_2cool4me4_	Oh
20:17	_2cool4me4_	Right, you're on webchat
20:17	NekoGloop	:)
20:17	_2cool4me4_	When I ping someone it says  --> [NekoGloop] PING
20:17	_2cool4me4_	[NekoGloop PING Reply] : 0.936 seconds
20:18	NekoGloop	cactus clubs are now working :)
20:19	NekoGloop	and my horrible graphic is also implemented
20:19	NekoGloop	who wants it?
20:19	_2cool4me4_	I can't reply to ping requests from myself?
20:19	_2cool4me4_	I should really go back to work
20:19	NekoGloop	cactusmod makes cacti harm you, makes cacti randomly drop cactus fruits, as well as cactus clubs
20:19	NekoGloop	who wants it?
20:20	VanessaE	NekoGloop: you should get with...er...was it workflow/jin_xi?    Who did a Wobbly Cactus mod
20:20	VanessaE	uses entities to make cacti walk around and sobble randomly
20:20	NekoGloop	idk
20:20	VanessaE	wo9ddle*
20:20	VanessaE	FUCK
20:20	VanessaE	WOBBLE.
20:20	VanessaE	there.
20:20	NekoGloop	whatever
20:21	NekoGloop	do you want the cactusmod?
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20:23	Basstard`	Wibble World Giddy
20:27	Basstard`	sdzen: sup?
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20:36	NekoGloop	dead chat much?
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20:38	_2cool4me4_	Anyone know a mux code?
20:38	_2cool4me4_	the channel mode is +cnt?
20:39	NekoGloop	idk what that is but apparently
20:39	_2cool4me4_	So, how 'bout that multiplexor code?
20:39	NekoGloop	cant help you there
20:39	_2cool4me4_	okay
20:42	NekoGloop	ok, toning down gloopores now
20:42	NekoGloop	lets see if its too much
20:46	RealBadAngel	neko:try to level them
20:46	RealBadAngel	so one ore could be found at certain depth range only
20:48	_2cool4me4_	hmm, the code sbi (D,A&B); sbi (C,B!A) doesn't seem to want to activate C
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20:49	GloopNeko	well that was slightly interesting
20:50	Basstard`	Change my pitch up.
20:50	NekoGloop	better
20:50	NekoGloop	anyone else see that server ban lol
20:50	NekoGloop	lag == k-lined?
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20:52	NekoGloop	anyway, i fixed my gloopores rainbowcaves issue
20:53	_2cool4me4_	Neko, you got banned?
20:53	_2cool4me4_	Did it give you a good message?
20:54	_2cool4me4_	because it told me: please do not spam channels on Freenode
20:54	NekoGloop	i was told i klined
20:54	NekoGloop	that was it
20:54	_2cool4me4_	anyway, did anyone look at my sbi?
20:54	NekoGloop	i didnt see it
20:55	_2cool4me4_	sbi (D,A&B); sbi (C,B!A)
20:55	_2cool4me4_	Multiplexor, when A and B are active, D is 1. When only B is active, C is 1.
20:56	_2cool4me4_	and the semicolon isn't there anymore
20:56	NekoGloop	put that on the ycpaste (keyboard doesnt support "micro" cymbol)
20:56	NekoGloop	symbol* lol
20:56	_2cool4me4_	Why, it doesn't work
20:56	_2cool4me4_	I'm asking if anyone can troubleshoot the issue
20:57	_2cool4me4_	Fixed it!
20:57	NekoGloop	oh
20:57	_2cool4me4_	sbi (D,A&B)sbi (C,B&!A)
20:57	_2cool4me4_	It needed an & between the B and !
20:57	_2cool4me4_	for whatever reason
20:57	_2cool4me4_	anyway, to ycscript
20:58	NekoGloop	because it needs to know what action you want to do
20:58	NekoGloop	you should also do sbi(D,A&B)sbi(C,B&!A), its more appealing
20:59	NekoGloop	:)
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20:59	_2cool4me4_	http://sfan.sf.funpic.de/ycpaste/index.php?1t6
21:06	VanessaE	looks like a modified half-adder
21:06	VanessaE	oh, a mux
21:06	VanessaE	ok
21:06	VanessaE	note to self, read the whole comment line ;)
21:06	_2cool4me4_	actually, A is the control bit
21:07	VanessaE	guess you can't edit it
21:07	_2cool4me4_	Nope, re pasted
21:08	VanessaE	too bad I can't paste into the game.  I can copy out of it, but paste doesn't work
21:08	_2cool4me4_	I can :)
21:08	VanessaE	(unless irrlicht uses a different key than ctrl-V for paste)
21:08	_2cool4me4_	Benefits of Windows: #5
21:09	VanessaE	heh
21:09	VanessaE	no, irrlicht devs just didn't think is all :-)
21:09	Basstard`	VanessaE: How about ctrl+shift+v?
21:09	VanessaE	it's a bug in the linux build
21:10	_2cool4me4_	Is alt a penguin in linux (Apple reference)
21:10	VanessaE	Basstard`: nope.
21:10	VanessaE	_2cool4me4_: heh, no actually I think it maps to "Meta" (while the Win key is "Super)
21:11	_2cool4me4_	Uhh
21:11	Basstard`	_2cool4me4_: A penguin? There's Tux and there's Stux.
21:11	_2cool4me4_	The alt key, not the Windows key...
21:12	_2cool4me4_	Which some keyboards have 2 of, btw
21:15	_2cool4me4_	Yeesh, I have over half my taskbar filled with windows (and this is WIN7 with squares instead of bars for tasks)
21:15	_2cool4me4_	*begins closing windows*
21:16	NekoGloop	win7, ick
21:16	NekoGloop	winxp ftw
21:16	VanessaE	oh jeez.  The irrlicht copy&paste bug was fixed back in 2009
21:16	VanessaE	wtf?
21:17	_2cool4me4_	nekogloop: DIe
21:17	NekoGloop	what? :3
21:17	_2cool4me4_	#_2cool4me4_channel24
21:17	_2cool4me4_	it appears I deopped myself...
21:17	_2cool4me4_	oops
21:19	* _2cool4me4_	pokes #minetest
21:19	NekoGloop	oh look, in that channel I'm op now
21:19	Basstard`	_2cool4me4_: Why not ping the channel?
21:23	_2cool4me4_	I did...
21:23	_2cool4me4_	oops
21:28	Keegann	-2cool4me4_ wow ur cool
21:29	NekoGloop	that was me :)
21:29	Keegann	oh why
21:30		roboman2444 joined #minetest
21:35	_2cool4me4_	what heppened?
21:37		_2cool4me4_ joined #minetest
21:38		izua joined #minetest
21:38		izua joined #minetest
21:39	Keegann	he kick me
21:39	VanessaE	who?
21:40	Keegann	NekoGloop
21:40	NekoGloop	only from the channel
21:40	VanessaE	oh
21:40	NekoGloop	was testing commands
21:40	VanessaE	heh
21:40	Keegann	ii see your command got tooken away
21:40	NekoGloop	no i glitched
21:51	NekoGloop	#2gloopy4u
21:53	_2cool4me4_	well, back to our pointless lives
21:59	NekoGloop	who's up for the cactusmod?
22:00		LandMine joined #minetest
22:04		_2cool4me4_ joined #minetest
22:05	NekoGloop	a wild _2cool4me4_ appeared!
22:06	_2cool4me4_	anyone know how to make Minetest not unload chunks?
22:06	Keegann	MY FRIEND
22:06	Keegann	:)
22:07	NekoGloop	_2cool4me4_: rba is working on it
22:07	_2cool4me4_	cool
22:07	Keegann	LandMine your my best friend!!
22:07	_2cool4me4_	GRIEFER
22:07	_2cool4me4_	BAN HIM
22:07	NekoGloop	lol
22:07	_2cool4me4_	uhh
22:08	* NekoGloop	gives _2cool4me4_ a cookie
22:09	_2cool4me4_	so, minetest chunk no unload?
22:09	_2cool4me4_	how is rba working on that?
22:09	NekoGloop	magic
22:09	_2cool4me4_	yay!
22:09	NekoGloop	in other words: i've not the slightest clue
22:09	_2cool4me4_	I see
22:10	_2cool4me4_	should we ping him to check on his progress?
22:10	VanessaE	RBA has stepped away for now
22:10	NekoGloop	RealBadAngel random HL
22:10	_2cool4me4_	what?
22:10	VanessaE	said he had to leave but didn't indicate why
22:11	NekoGloop	i blame the trees
22:11	* _2cool4me4_	kicks tree
22:11	_2cool4me4_	OW
22:11	VanessaE	Kick the tree.
22:11	* Tree	kicks back
22:12	_2cool4me4_	lolwat
22:13	* NekoGloop	gives VanessaE a cookie for HL'ing me the very short time i was a tree.
22:14	VanessaE	haha
22:14	_2cool4me4_	what's an hl
22:14	NekoGloop	highlight
22:14	_2cool4me4_	OHHH
22:14	NekoGloop	like this: _2cool4me4_
22:14	_2cool4me4_	It doesn't do anythign in Icechat
22:14	_2cool4me4_	it does on my android client
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22:15	NekoGloop	IceChat yells at you whenever ANYBODY says ANYTHING
22:15	_2cool4me4_	yep
22:15	NekoGloop	Give me 20 dollars...
22:18	_2cool4me4_	nwa
22:21	NekoGloop	what's everyone up to?
22:21	_2cool4me4_	having a headache
22:21	_2cool4me4_	gonna leave and let my computer cool down
22:22		Taoki[laptop]_1 joined #minetest
22:22	NekoGloop	VanessaE: whatcha up to?
22:22	VanessaE	nothing in particular
22:22	NekoGloop	i see
22:23	Keegann	my best friend iis back!!
22:24	LandMine	good for you
22:24	Keegann	see hes even gayer than before ^^
22:27		PilzAdam joined #minetest
22:27	PilzAdam	Hello everyone!
22:27	NekoGloop	PilzAdam: how do i make gunpowder?
22:28		Taoki[laptop] joined #minetest
22:28	PilzAdam	coal+gravel
22:28	Keegann	hey
22:30	NekoGloop	lucky me, I'm right next to some gravel
22:31	PilzAdam	NekoGloop, your lucky, but nobody else...
22:31	NekoGloop	heh
22:33	NekoGloop	just blew up tnt next to more gravel. liek a baws
22:34	PilzAdam	like a GloopBaws
22:36	NekoGloop	heh
22:36	NekoGloop	anyway, i've so far blown up two cacti and made a mineshaft
22:36	NekoGloop	dont ask about the cacti :)
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22:46		_2cool4me4_ joined #minetest
22:46	_2cool4me4_	Does the temperest plugin work?
22:46	NekoGloop	nope
22:47		mika_afk left #minetest
22:47	NekoGloop	(assuming your talking about mesecons)
22:47	_2cool4me4_	dang, it sounds like it's instant
22:47	PilzAdam	Should i add papyrus and cactus growing to my farming mod?
22:47	LandMine	yes
22:48	NekoGloop	PilzAdam: find some way to limit the growth to like 5 max
22:48		LandMineFriend joined #minetest
22:49	NekoGloop	Keegann == LandMineFriend
22:49	_2cool4me4_	Interesting... while mesecons connect to plugs and sockets, they don't work right
22:49	LandMineFriend	?
22:50	LandMineFriend	baloney
22:50	NekoGloop	IP matches == same person
22:50	VanessaE	plugs/sockets are obsolete anyway
22:50	VanessaE	I'd much rather have proper logic gates, diodes, and of course microcontrollers
22:50	_2cool4me4_	So yould I
22:50	LandMineFriend	me=landmines friend
22:51	_2cool4me4_	But temperest seems to think that his plugin is instant
22:51	LandMineFriend	Landmine you rokk?
22:52	LandMineFriend	someone ask him if hes rokk
22:52	_2cool4me4_	bahaha!
22:53	MiJyn	nice
22:53	Keegann	?
22:54	_2cool4me4_	same ip, same person
22:54	NekoGloop	== LandMineFriend [18b46005gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.180.96.5] == Keegann [~Keegann__24-180-96-5.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com]
22:54	Keegann	duh
22:54	MiJyn	no, not always the same person
22:54	Keegann	yes always the same person
22:54	MiJyn	no
22:54	Keegann	yes
22:54	MiJyn	well, you are LandMineFriend
22:54	_2cool4me4_	If there's two people on one network...
22:54	Keegann	yes
22:55	NekoGloop	different ips still 2cool
22:55	NekoGloop	part of it will be the same but still different
22:55	Keegann	ask him iif hes rokk
22:55	_2cool4me4_	Yes, VZW likes to change ip's a lot
22:56	_2cool4me4_	You never own them
22:56		Keegan_ joined #minetest
22:56	MiJyn	I share a network with Lars Fiennes (BTtoArch)
22:56	Keegann	same ip
22:56	MiJyn	and he has the same IP as I do
22:56	MiJyn	yes
22:57	_2cool4me4_	Keegan: if two peoople on one network are using IRC, then both of them will have the same ip
22:57	Keegann	yes that what  told MiJyn
22:57	MiJyn	oh, I see
22:57	MiJyn	right
22:57	NekoGloop	no
22:58	_2cool4me4_	Neko: yes
22:58	_2cool4me4_	you know NOTHING
22:58	NekoGloop	if i went on my ipad right now, it would not be the same ip
22:58	Keegann	its always a yes
22:58	Keegann	just wenton my ipod
22:58	MiJyn	okay, whatever
22:58	Keegann	you crazy
22:58	_2cool4me4_	NekoGloop: then you are wasting the internet's IPv4 addresses!
22:58	_2cool4me4_	shame on you!
22:59	NekoGloop	i know its not the same ip because i ban-avoid in irc a lot with my ipad :)
22:59	MiJyn	I don't have IPv4
22:59	MiJyn	I mean, I have IPv4, but I don't have IPv6
22:59	_2cool4me4_	good job mijyn
22:59	MiJyn	(wow, I FAIL)
22:59	_2cool4me4_	Does your network still use ipv4?
22:59	MiJyn	yeah
22:59	MiJyn	sadly
22:59	_2cool4me4_	oh
22:59	_2cool4me4_	Ninja'd
23:00	_2cool4me4_	If the internet switches to ipv6 (finally), networks should still stay on ipv4 for simplicity
23:00	_2cool4me4_	I memorized the ip's of the computers on my network
23:01	_2cool4me4_	For example: the computer that I am on is the ip 192.168.1.30
23:01	MiJyn	okay?
23:03	LandMine	arent all 192.168.1.30?
23:03	Keegann	no
23:04	LandMine	mine is
23:04	Keegann	mnes not
23:04	NekoGloop	he used your ip stupid
23:06	VanessaE	LandMine: don't you mean 189.191.145.55?  A proxy or TOR exit node no doubt, but your real IP, whatever it is, can't be 192.168.*.
23:06	VanessaE	Otherwise you can't make a connection to the network.
23:07	LandMine	i was making a joke people chill the fuck out
23:07	OldCoder	VanessaE, could code be added to MT server and client to ensure that real IPs could be obtained?
23:07	VanessaE	OldCoder: not really.  That would depend on being able to trace back through whatever proxy is in use, and I doubt any such systems allow that, since the whole idea is to hide the user.
23:08	LandMine	i think it would show the REAL ip just the one its using to connect
23:08	VanessaE	as well as tracing forward through the user's router, modem, etc.
23:10	VanessaE	the solution of course is figuring out a way to detect a proxy/TOR/etc. exit node and simply refuse the connection.
23:11	OldCoder	Hm
23:11	VanessaE	Such things are possible for an ISP which of course can monitor a user's entire traffic profile and history
23:11	VanessaE	but for a random server program?  not so much.
23:12	LandMine	there must be a way, there is a plugin for Mybb that does that, it blocks proxys
23:12	LandMine	but its php
23:12	LandMine	but shouldnt be hard to make something similar in anyother language
23:17	NekoGloop	mob ideas, anyone?
23:18	OldCoder	Reviewing
23:19	PilzAdam	ive added growing of cacti and papyrus to my farming mod
23:20	OldCoder	VanessaE, I can add that
23:20	OldCoder	For Tor anyway
23:20	OldCoder	Is he on a new subnet presently?
23:20	VanessaE	?
23:21	OldCoder	Which part is unclear?
23:21	VanessaE	is who on a new subnet of what network?
23:21	OldCoder	I asked him to comment BTW on what he's doing. He was a bit unclear.
23:21	OldCoder	I thought you were just discussing him
23:22	VanessaE	Tor?  nonono, TOR.
23:22	VanessaE	The Onion Router
23:22	* OldCoder	shrugs
23:22	OldCoder	Is he on a new subnet?
23:23	VanessaE	TOR is a multi-layer ad-hoc routing system that a person can use to hide from whoever they're connecting to at the other end of the network.
23:23	VanessaE	e.g. someone who wanted to connect to some random government website might do so through TOR so that the website has no idea who it is
23:25	OldCoder	VanessaE, Are you addressing me? :-)
23:25	* OldCoder	is fairly familiar with Tor
23:25	VanessaE	It works by relaying a user's attempt to connect to a website from machine to machine around the internet, until finally one of those machines makes the real connection to the destination website.  The destination can only see that last machine in the chain, called an Exit node.
23:25	VanessaE	oh ok, just explaining for others.
23:25	OldCoder	VanessaE, I did an entire startup in 2010 based on Tor
23:25	OldCoder	Ran 50 Tors at once
23:26	OldCoder	VanessaE, anyway... shall I add block by subnet to MT?
23:26	OldCoder	Or will somebody else do it?
23:26	OldCoder	I'm a bit ill and occupied ATM
23:26	VanessaE	NOW I understand what you were getting at.
23:26	OldCoder	O.K.
23:26	Keegann	me too
23:27	VanessaE	I would recommend such a feature, yes
23:28	VanessaE	at present, you can't even ban someone at all if they're not online.
23:28	Keegann	right
23:28	VanessaE	what is needed is a way to ban someone who *just* signed off
23:28	Keegann	or been sign off
23:29	VanessaE	after all, the server had to know their (apparent) IP while they were on, no reason to just "forget it" right away
23:29	Keegann	should save in there player file
23:29	VanessaE	Keegann: no, don't do that.
23:30	VanessaE	players' IP addresses can change
23:30	OldCoder	VanessaE, I can add that
23:30	OldCoder	I'd really prefer somebody else do it as there is a lot going on. But if nobody else does I will.
23:30	VanessaE	I'd do it if I knew how, but my C skills are very rusty, nevermind C++
23:31	Keegann	ill do it but i dont know how to code
23:32	OldCoder	Are the regular devs interested in this?
23:32	* OldCoder	sighs
23:32	OldCoder	Fine
23:32	VanessaE	dunno
23:32	VanessaE	celeron55 is the only one who can approve such code, and we all know how picky he is.
23:32	OldCoder	I was going to build in a few weeks. I'll try to get to it next week.
23:32	OldCoder	He can't object to a fork for the purpose. Or is the license restrictive?
23:33	VanessaE	well no
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23:33	OldCoder	I wouldn't want to step on his toes, though
23:33	VanessaE	but I mean getting such code merged back into the main repos
23:33	OldCoder	Ah!
23:33	OldCoder	Would he agree it's an important feature?
23:33	VanessaE	fork all you want though, he won't complain I expect.
23:33	OldCoder	BTW While Landmine is gone...
23:33	PilzAdam	VanessaE, im working on item_drop
23:33	VanessaE	dunno what he would think of this, but I know I like the idea.
23:33	OldCoder	<LandMine> is that so? what you gonna do brah?
23:33	VanessaE	PilzAdam: oh good,  figured out what pisses it off re: mesecons? :-)
23:34	OldCoder	<LandMine> hahahahhahahahahahahah
23:34	OldCoder	Not all that interesting
23:34	OldCoder	How many subnets does he appear to have?
23:34	VanessaE	dunno
23:34	VanessaE	he claims 100+ IPs
23:35	VanessaE	and says somehow that makes him un-bannable.
23:35	OldCoder	He may have 65536
23:35		LandMine joined #minetest
23:35	OldCoder	They can be blocked easily
23:36	NekoGloop	speak of the devil, and he shall come
23:36	Keegann	welcome back
23:43	NekoGloop	wow dead chat?
23:43	PilzAdam	seems like dead
23:44		Octupus joined #minetest
23:44	sdzen	is it dead?
23:44	Octupus	landmine XD
23:44	sdzen	i just thought it was quiet
23:44	NekoGloop	apparently
23:44	VanessaE	it's just on life support
23:44	sdzen	cut i cut the line?
23:44	NekoGloop	i thought i smelled something off...
23:45	PilzAdam	i still need new inventory textures for gunpowder
23:45	VanessaE	doing it now, PilzAdam
23:45	PilzAdam	thx so much
23:45	LandMine	hi octupus why the xD?
23:45	PilzAdam	the CIA is gone
23:46	* PilzAdam	pulls out drugs
23:46	Octupus	idk didnt see u in a long time
23:46	Keegann	LandMine?
23:46	Octupus	the last time i saw u was when u trapped me on gameboom server
23:47	Keegann	yea i remember you trap me on menche's first world
23:47	LandMine	cool story keegan
23:47		CIA-48 joined #minetest
23:47	LandMine	yeah octupus my bad
23:47	* PilzAdam	hides the drugs
23:48	sdzen	last i saw you it was nothing but a trail black mamba left upon my server landmine
23:48	LandMine	i was black mamba lol.
23:48	LandMine	btw sdzen since im cool with you now
23:48	LandMine	imma tell you how i got out the wall
23:49	LandMine	there were no holes, well at first there was
23:49	sdzen	lag holes
23:49	LandMine	but then i got your mod to give me some mese
23:49	sdzen	we already figured that out
23:49	LandMine	and i made a teleporter
23:49	LandMine	and i hid it hahahah
23:49	sdzen	we also found your bloody teleporter
23:49	sdzen	but by then you had stopped playing
23:49	LandMine	really? which of all 4?
23:50	Keegann	why arent you cool with me
23:50	sdzen	well i found them anyway
23:50	sdzen	it didnt matter though the server soon became unstable from mods and crashed
23:50	Octupus	landmine are u done harrasing ppl
23:51	OldCoder	Octupus, Hi
23:51	Keegann	yea r u done yet
23:51	LandMine	i never harrased people octupus
23:51	LandMine	i did it for a reason
23:51	LandMine	it made everyone install nodeprotect and roll back on there servers
23:51	LandMine	they removed fire as well
23:51	LandMine	that was the goal of it all
23:51	NekoGloop	landmine, you are an idiot
23:52	LandMine	Misunderstood LandMine
23:52	NekoGloop	if you want to prove me wrong, shut up.
23:52	sdzen	actually landmine isnt an idiot
23:52	sdzen	he is a very good griever
23:52	sdzen	very adept at that skill
23:52	NekoGloop	well the little IQ he has is wasted
23:52	Octupus	landmine are u good with me
23:52	Keegann	landmine u good with me now
23:53	Keegann	since you crash my server all last night
23:54	LandMine	octupus me and you are ok
23:54	LandMine	im cool with everyone
23:55	Keegann	bout time
23:55	LandMine	stfu
23:55	NekoGloop	children...
23:56	VanessaE	PilzAdam: http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/images/gunpowder-barrel1.png
23:56	VanessaE	or gunpowder-barrel2.png or gunpowder-barrel3.png
23:57	VanessaE	1 is good for the inventory as it's been semi-flattened against medium grey, 2 and 3 are good for the wield image
23:57	PilzAdam	can you thin it a bit?
23:58	PilzAdam	it doesnt look like a barrel
23:58	OldCoder	Octupus, PM
23:58	Octupus	k
23:59	PilzAdam	VanessaE, something more like this: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/buildingbig/tunnel/challenge/images/gunpowder.gif
23:59	Octupus	coder u do it

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