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VanessaE |
*pant* *heave* |
00:02 |
VanessaE |
ok, 3 games of bowling on the Wii and I'm wiped |
00:02 |
VanessaE |
and this time Abe kicked my ass--on both cheeks yet. |
00:02 |
VanessaE |
cy1: I already posted my fixes for all three :-) |
00:03 |
VanessaE |
and nature pack doesn't provide any "growing" code that relies on anything in flowers. |
00:03 |
VanessaE |
just some spawning stuff |
00:05 |
VanessaE |
cy1: besides, flowers has to remain usable outside of nature pack :-) |
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00:15 |
cy1 |
VanessaE: only way to do the exact same thing without using the same thing is to duplicate code. :( |
00:16 |
VanessaE |
no |
00:16 |
VanessaE |
somehow or another, bushes and irontrees are able to call the functions in flowers. |
00:16 |
VanessaE |
so one function definition somehow covers all three |
00:16 |
* VanessaE |
shrugs |
00:17 |
VanessaE |
it works is all I know :-_) |
00:17 |
VanessaE |
:-) |
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SegFault22 |
hey, what's the item code for white bobblocks again? |
00:45 |
cy1 |
VanessaE: but irontrees has to remain usable outside of flowers! :B |
00:46 |
VanessaE |
irontrees never was :-) |
00:46 |
VanessaE |
so nothing has changed :D |
00:46 |
cy1 |
My point is |
00:46 |
SegFault22 |
what is the item code for white bob-blocks? |
00:46 |
cy1 |
That you make one thing that grows stuff. |
00:46 |
VanessaE |
bobblocks:whiteblock |
00:46 |
SegFault22 |
thank you |
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00:46 |
cy1 |
And bushes, irontrees, and flowers cannot remain usable without it. |
00:47 |
VanessaE |
well I suppose I could split that function off, but either all mods that need such a function already must have it, or all such mods must depend on a a separate one to provide the function. |
00:47 |
cy1 |
And neither can farming, or hydroponics, or cotton, or anything that grows stuff, because it makes sense to use the same function for everything. |
00:47 |
cy1 |
It just makes me feel sad that you'd have to duplicate stuff that already exists just because you can't rely on others... |
00:48 |
cy1 |
It's like throwing out the cake mix. People make cakes from scratch and that's awesome. |
00:48 |
cy1 |
But kind of sad too... |
00:49 |
cy1 |
Because if cake mix makers were trustworthy, you could just use that. |
00:49 |
cy1 |
But they skimp on quality ingredients, so the best cakes are ignoring all that labor. |
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NakedFury |
I think that as a community we need to create a series of Standard or Default mods |
00:50 |
NakedFury |
so we dont end up with 60 different grow mods all doing the same thing |
00:53 |
VanessaE |
well like I said, I could go ahead and write a separate little mod to do the job, but c55 is absent again, so getting it pushed to the default game mods would be impossible right now :( |
00:54 |
VanessaE |
besides, my code isn't gonna be good enough, I still use random numbers for spawn probability instead of whatever feature an ABM is supposed to already have to control its probability |
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01:00 |
[JJ]Albert |
Question: Where's minetest delta? |
01:00 |
VanessaE |
a channel for discussing the changes, features, and future of minetest. |
01:00 |
VanessaE |
whereas this channel is more for general chitchat |
01:02 |
[JJ]Albert |
Hm? |
01:05 |
NakedFury |
#minetest-delta |
01:05 |
[JJ]Albert |
Oh. |
01:05 |
[JJ]Albert |
I see. |
01:06 |
NakedFury |
#minetest-mods |
01:06 |
NakedFury |
#minetest-dev |
01:06 |
[JJ]Albert |
I meant the actual minetest delta, as in the fork. |
01:06 |
NakedFury |
never knew there was a fork called that |
01:06 |
[JJ]Albert |
But, I'm happy to see it's gotten more support since I last played it. |
01:06 |
NakedFury |
yes even if some devs left |
01:07 |
NakedFury |
c55 has added many new features we wanted |
01:07 |
[JJ]Albert |
https://github.com/erlehmann/minetest-delta |
01:07 |
NakedFury |
that guy disappeared. 7 months last stuff |
01:07 |
[JJ]Albert |
So I should just compile the latest source on the site? |
01:08 |
NakedFury |
yes or download some precompiled files |
01:08 |
[JJ]Albert |
Which are up to date now rather than old? |
01:09 |
NakedFury |
I dont really know the numbers on the versions |
01:09 |
NakedFury |
thats one things that sucks |
01:09 |
NakedFury |
we are at 0.4.something 1 I think |
01:09 |
[JJ]Albert |
Ah, kewl. |
01:09 |
NakedFury |
but then there are more numbers 231456 |
01:09 |
[JJ]Albert |
Kewl. |
01:14 |
[JJ]Albert |
Boy, it's really different from what it used to be. |
01:14 |
[JJ]Albert |
It has sound now, for one thing. :D |
01:15 |
NakedFury |
Sound, animated images, custom blocks(nodes), really big on modding now |
01:18 |
[JJ]Albert |
What servers are available? |
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01:19 |
[JJ]Albert |
NVM, found a list |
01:20 |
[JJ]Albert |
Kewl. :D |
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01:20 |
[JJ]Albert |
Any music playback in there? |
01:20 |
Keegan__ |
hello |
01:21 |
[JJ]Albert |
The chat client is still kinda crud. :L |
01:24 |
VanessaE |
no music in minetest, and thank G*d for that :-) |
01:25 |
[JJ]Albert |
Lol |
01:25 |
[JJ]Albert |
What, I think module music would work just great. |
01:27 |
Keegan__ |
wonder why cant connect to servers using 4.2 |
01:33 |
[JJ]Albert |
Hmm |
01:33 |
[JJ]Albert |
It still loads the areas kinda funny though. |
01:34 |
[JJ]Albert |
Though that's due to my poor connection. |
01:34 |
[JJ]Albert |
I'm gonna try it out on my other laptop. |
01:34 |
[JJ]Albert |
later |
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02:16 |
cornernote |
hey |
02:16 |
VanessaE |
hey |
02:17 |
cornernote |
i was talking to PlizAdam (i think thats his name, author of carts and MiniTest) |
02:17 |
cornernote |
he asked me to test out latest carts... and oh, its so cool |
02:17 |
VanessaE |
cool |
02:17 |
cornernote |
couldnt find a fault, other than jittery when riding in it |
02:18 |
cornernote |
it collects things, and drops them off |
02:18 |
cornernote |
very smooth |
02:18 |
cornernote |
goes up hills too, does a little jump at the top |
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02:19 |
Keegan__ |
wonder why cant connect to servers using 4.2 |
02:20 |
cornernote |
you are using 4.2, or the server is ? |
02:20 |
Keegan__ |
im using 4.2 but the server is sdzens 4.2 |
02:21 |
cornernote |
maybe a different build? |
02:21 |
Keegan__ |
idk |
02:23 |
cornernote |
VanessaE, and i put a mod on that makes all the nodes drop instead of being auto-collected, then when you walk near them it picks them up if the player who dig them is you |
02:23 |
VanessaE |
cool |
02:24 |
cornernote |
then made timber mod so all the leaves/apples/etc drop when you chop a tree |
02:24 |
cornernote |
so you hit a tree, and it rains goodies |
02:24 |
VanessaE |
Keegan__: I keep telling you, it is 0.4.2 (and the like) |
02:24 |
VanessaE |
and it's because 0.4.2 is not compatible with 0.4.1 and prior. |
02:25 |
Keegan__ |
its a 4.2 r2 server and i have that same client because sdzen gave it to me |
02:25 |
VanessaE |
Keegan__: 0.4.2 <-- note the leading zero. |
02:26 |
VanessaE |
and are you sure what he gave you is 0.4.2-rc1 and not a build of some previous version like github? |
02:26 |
VanessaE |
and are you sure you are in fact running what he gave you? |
02:26 |
Keegan__ |
yea |
02:27 |
cornernote |
and are you sure the server is running 0.4.2-rc2, and not one he compiled from an earlier git |
02:27 |
cornernote |
whats the ip ? |
02:28 |
Keegan__ |
minetest.freedns.in:30000 |
02:29 |
VanessaE |
sdzen's server. |
02:29 |
VanessaE |
"Minetest Version 0.4.2-rc1" |
02:29 |
Keegan__ |
yes |
02:29 |
VanessaE |
hm |
02:29 |
cornernote |
yep, thats what he said |
02:29 |
VanessaE |
and the filename and link to the file he gave you? |
02:29 |
Keegan__ |
yea |
02:30 |
cornernote |
access denied - reason, your client's version is not supported |
02:30 |
Keegan__ |
see |
02:30 |
cornernote |
client's protocol is 10 |
02:30 |
cornernote |
servers is 12 |
02:30 |
cornernote |
can you build from source ? |
02:31 |
Keegan__ |
build what |
02:31 |
cornernote |
minetest |
02:31 |
cornernote |
i can connect with my version |
02:31 |
Keegan__ |
what version |
02:31 |
cornernote |
which is built from a git clone of c55's about a week ago |
02:31 |
cornernote |
try building the latest |
02:31 |
Keegan__ |
i cant build |
02:32 |
cornernote |
then you'll have to wait for 0.4.2 to be released |
02:32 |
cornernote |
0.4.2-rc1 is not 0.4.2 |
02:32 |
cornernote |
:( |
02:32 |
Keegan__ |
you have it |
02:33 |
cornernote |
i built it |
02:33 |
VanessaE |
according to github the very latest git is still 0.4.2-rc1 |
02:33 |
VanessaE |
there is no 0.4.2-stable release yet. |
02:33 |
Keegan__ |
ok |
02:33 |
Keegan__ |
then whats sdzen running |
02:33 |
cornernote |
i assume he did what i did, and built his own |
02:34 |
Keegan__ |
can you give it to me |
02:34 |
cornernote |
thats why his protocol version is higher |
02:34 |
cornernote |
im not a fan of sharing exe files, its really not that hard to build |
02:35 |
Keegan__ |
how then |
02:35 |
cornernote |
http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=1434 |
02:35 |
cornernote |
all the things that say HERE are not required if you dont want sound |
02:36 |
cornernote |
i usually build without sound 1st cos its easier |
02:36 |
OldCoder |
Keegan__, do you know anything yet regarding software or building it? |
02:36 |
Keegan__ |
kinda |
02:36 |
Keegan__ |
what now |
02:36 |
OldCoder |
All right. Have fun. |
02:36 |
cornernote |
follow the guide |
02:36 |
Keegan__ |
yea |
02:36 |
cornernote |
download all the things |
02:36 |
OldCoder |
Is he building the Windows EXE? What does that usel; Visual Studio? |
02:36 |
OldCoder |
*use |
02:37 |
cornernote |
yea, or you can use some other thing |
02:37 |
Keegan__ |
what do i need |
02:37 |
OldCoder |
Keegan__, A 'C compiler' |
02:37 |
Keegan__ |
ok |
02:37 |
OldCoder |
Is there a free one that works? |
02:37 |
Keegan__ |
cmake? |
02:37 |
cornernote |
see the link i posted |
02:37 |
OldCoder |
Ah |
02:37 |
OldCoder |
Thanks |
02:37 |
OldCoder |
Was curious |
02:37 |
cornernote |
it says: "You need:" |
02:38 |
* OldCoder |
laughs |
02:38 |
OldCoder |
cornernote, I do understand how it feels when nobody reads the documentation |
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02:40 |
cornernote |
Keegan__, if you have a copy of ubuntu, you can compile minetest in like 10 mins (including download time), and 4 commands |
02:40 |
Keegan__ |
too much work |
02:40 |
cornernote |
instead of wafting through oddles of windows compile stuff |
02:40 |
cornernote |
windows builds arent too hard, but you have to download a lot of things and put them into place... linux just does it automatically |
02:41 |
NakedFury |
http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=1523 |
02:41 |
NakedFury |
next time search the forums |
02:41 |
cornernote |
nice |
02:41 |
Keegan__ |
thats still too much work |
02:41 |
cornernote |
Keegan__, just download |
02:42 |
Keegan__ |
what one works |
02:42 |
Keegan__ |
for it |
02:42 |
VanessaE |
Keegan__: in the time you spent trying to get this working with an unknown/broken copy, you could have already compiled it. |
02:42 |
Keegan__ |
oh shut up |
02:43 |
cornernote |
the one that says latest |
02:43 |
VanessaE |
I'm sorry, but if you're going to use a computer, learn how to USE it. |
02:43 |
VanessaE |
like we did back in the 80's. |
02:43 |
Keegan__ |
i do |
02:43 |
cornernote |
no |
02:43 |
Keegan__ |
theres three latest |
02:43 |
cornernote |
NakedFury: the one at the top is the latest ? |
02:44 |
cornernote |
whats the relevance of the date part of the filename? 20120408 ? |
02:44 |
NakedFury |
dont know, I havent downloaded latest yet, I just posted that so keegan would shut up |
02:44 |
Keegan__ |
you shut up |
02:45 |
VanessaE |
Keegan__: don't get abusive. We've been here just a little longer than you and know what we're doing. |
02:45 |
cornernote |
i *think* the top one is the latest |
02:46 |
Keegan__ |
you sure |
02:48 |
Keegan__ |
what one works |
02:48 |
Keegan__ |
for sdzens |
02:48 |
cornernote |
try the top one |
02:48 |
cornernote |
if that doesnt work then i dont know |
02:49 |
Keegan__ |
dont work |
02:49 |
Keegan__ |
gtg |
02:49 |
Keegan__ |
bye |
02:50 |
cornernote |
:( |
02:50 |
cornernote |
then you are back to 2 options, 1) compile, or 2) wait for 0.4.2 |
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NakedFury |
minetest-0.4.2-rc1-d38b465-win32.7z|Latest |
02:50 |
Keegan__ |
ok bye |
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VanessaE |
darkrose: are you awake? |
03:02 |
VanessaE |
guess not :-/ |
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03:22 |
khonkhortisan |
I left on an expedition and came back rich |
03:24 |
khonkhortisan |
99 cactus, desert stone, desert sand, 198 jungle grass, jungle tree, 82 papyrus, 1 waterlily - on gameboom |
03:24 |
khonkhortisan |
and I found three rats in a chest, but didn't take them |
03:26 |
cornernote |
u should have set them free |
03:26 |
khonkhortisan |
they still move? |
03:26 |
cornernote |
no, i dont think so |
03:34 |
VanessaE |
gameboom has junglegrass? |
03:34 |
VanessaE |
:) |
03:34 |
khonkhortisan |
junglegrass, strawberry bushes, flowers, and cotton grow naturally |
03:34 |
khonkhortisan |
there's also forest and very blocky terrain if you travel far enough |
03:34 |
VanessaE |
jungle trees? must be a mod that adds them |
03:35 |
khonkhortisan |
no a real forest |
03:36 |
VanessaE |
a "real" forest of jungletrees is impossible without some kind of mod, jungle bi....wait |
03:36 |
GTRsdk |
strawberry bushes, can you pick the strawberries? |
03:36 |
VanessaE |
gameboom uses an olllllllld map doesn't it? |
03:36 |
VanessaE |
like pre 0.3.1 |
03:36 |
VanessaE |
so jungle trees would exist in that map then |
03:37 |
VanessaE |
GTRsdk: dig the bushes and you get strawberries |
03:37 |
GTRsdk |
Awesome! |
03:37 |
khonkhortisan |
and the bush is destroyed forever |
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FreeFull |
It real world, when you take strawberies from a bush, the bush is still there |
03:37 |
FreeFull |
And will grow more strawberries next time |
03:38 |
VanessaE |
FreeFull: this is minetest, not the real world. it's okay to violate the laws of physics once in a while ;-) |
03:38 |
FreeFull |
I'm saying, it makes more sense for the bush to grow strawberries that you can harvest by clicking on the bush |
03:38 |
VanessaE |
well they'll still respawn eventually :-) |
03:39 |
FreeFull |
Like melons/pumpkins, it should just keep on giving |
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03:39 |
VanessaE |
yeah but if they did that, the game would be too easy |
03:39 |
khonkhortisan |
there are many things that aren't logically possible in minetest |
03:40 |
VanessaE |
sfan5: make up your mind :) |
03:40 |
NakedFury |
not easy |
03:40 |
VanessaE |
NakedFury: what isn't easy? |
03:41 |
NakedFury |
the bush can still remain and need several more days for another harvest |
03:41 |
cornernote |
FreeFull, that would be nice, but someone has to code it to make it work |
03:41 |
cornernote |
i like the idea tho, bushes stay |
03:41 |
cornernote |
unless you pick the bush |
03:42 |
VanessaE |
that's easy enough to add. just have the game re-add a non-fruited plant right after you dig it. |
03:42 |
VanessaE |
what is it, after_dig or something? |
03:42 |
VanessaE |
after_dig_node |
03:43 |
cornernote |
that would work |
03:44 |
khonkhortisan |
It takes 27 papyrus and 6 wood to make a bookshelf, so for a library 4 tall by 5 wide, it would take 540 papyrus and 120 wood. So my hopes of a two-story walls-filled-with-books library are gone. |
03:45 |
FreeFull |
I imagine it would have to work like doors do |
03:45 |
FreeFull |
Or maybe not |
03:45 |
FreeFull |
Allow digging of bushes without strawberries |
03:46 |
FreeFull |
And if they have strawberries, just pick the strawberries |
03:46 |
cornernote |
khonkhortisan - perhaps you can trade for the papyrus ? |
03:46 |
cornernote |
only 6 stacks, not that many |
03:46 |
cornernote |
what server ? |
03:47 |
khonkhortisan |
gameboom |
03:48 |
cornernote |
was reading this - http://millenaire.wikia.com/wiki/Mill%C3%A9naire_Wiki .. i like the ideas they have for NPCs |
03:48 |
NakedFury |
millenaire is a good mod for mc |
03:48 |
cornernote |
and there is starting to get some code floating around where you can make "helper pets" blocks |
03:48 |
cornernote |
i'd like to code an npc |
03:49 |
VanessaE |
cornernote: someone already did |
03:49 |
cornernote |
use the money mod to allow them to trade |
03:49 |
cornernote |
oh, who where when ? |
03:49 |
VanessaE |
http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=34943#p34943 |
03:49 |
cornernote |
yeah, extending that concept |
03:50 |
cornernote |
but a lot more logic in the code to give them some more AI |
03:50 |
cornernote |
that mod is coming along well |
03:50 |
VanessaE |
heh, good luck writing a fast AI in lua. |
03:50 |
cornernote |
whats Millénaire written in ? |
03:51 |
VanessaE |
dunno |
03:51 |
NakedFury |
java |
03:53 |
cornernote |
k |
03:53 |
cornernote |
so hows it hook into the MC engine ? |
03:54 |
cornernote |
MC is java ? |
03:54 |
NakedFury |
think so |
03:54 |
NakedFury |
yes |
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GTRsdk |
yes MC is Java |
04:29 |
GTRsdk |
while Minetest is C++/Lua |
04:29 |
leo_rockway |
hello again |
04:30 |
cornernote |
hey |
04:30 |
cornernote |
so core is faster than MC, but extensions are slower? |
04:32 |
leo_rockway |
extensions can be made faster with luajit, but I don't know if that's portable. |
04:32 |
khonkhortisan |
a mod can easily slow the server to a halt |
04:32 |
khonkhortisan |
do a neighbor search of each node after generation |
04:33 |
cornernote |
i was thinking of making an NPC that does some simple player things |
04:33 |
cornernote |
like pick flowers, then trades/sells them |
04:34 |
khonkhortisan |
how will I know it won't try to sell me my own flowers? |
04:34 |
cornernote |
on Millénaire it seems the NPC's actually build the city |
04:35 |
cornernote |
so kind of like worldedit loading in blocks... |
04:36 |
cornernote |
but instead of loading them as fast as your cpu/disk can handle, it relies on an NPC to build them |
04:36 |
leo_rockway |
cornernote: I'm taking your item_drop mod o.o |
04:36 |
cornernote |
thank PlizAdam, it came from his MiniTest game |
04:36 |
cornernote |
also try my timber mod with it |
04:37 |
cornernote |
well, the timber mod i stole and then improved |
04:37 |
leo_rockway |
cornernote: does your item_drop has popping sounds like blockplanet? |
04:37 |
leo_rockway |
have* |
04:37 |
cornernote |
i dont play with sound |
04:37 |
cornernote |
it does have sound, but i dunno what it is |
04:37 |
leo_rockway |
oh, okay |
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VanessaE |
hey jin |
05:07 |
OldCoder |
VanessaE, don't you sleep? |
05:08 |
VanessaE |
sporadically and irregularly |
05:09 |
VanessaE |
(actually I do sleep fairly normally, I just don't get to bed at the same time every night :-) ) |
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VanessaE |
zzz |
06:07 |
* VanessaE |
pokes sfan5 |
06:07 |
sfan5 |
hi |
06:08 |
sfan5 |
*** You are permanently banned from Obsidian-IRC (Malicious IP Detected) |
06:08 |
VanessaE |
you have serious network issues today :-) |
06:08 |
sfan5 |
dafuck? |
06:08 |
sfan5 |
yes |
06:08 |
VanessaE |
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06:08 |
VanessaE |
etc |
06:08 |
sfan5 |
thats my router |
06:09 |
VanessaE |
I think you better fix it. :-) |
06:09 |
sfan5 |
[ironic]it has a new feature that the wlan restarts itself after 20 mins[/ironic] |
06:10 |
VanessaE |
hah, some "feature" :-) |
06:11 |
sfan5 |
i think the wlan card is broken |
06:12 |
sfan5 |
i made a workaround so i don't need a new one |
06:12 |
sfan5 |
my pc is connected via lan and creates a wlan network |
06:12 |
leo_rockway |
cornernote: oh, your item drop is only for trees... |
06:12 |
leo_rockway |
it looks good, though. It's like a tree explosion. |
06:13 |
VanessaE |
leo_rockway, cornernote: is there a youtube video of this mod in action? I'm curious :-) |
06:13 |
VanessaE |
or I suppose I could just *gasp* download it ;-) |
06:13 |
leo_rockway |
I could try to recordmydesktop |
06:13 |
leo_rockway |
although I don't know what framerates I'll get :S |
06:16 |
VanessaE |
downloaded it already |
06:16 |
leo_rockway |
uploading video |
06:17 |
VanessaE |
nice |
06:17 |
VanessaE |
I *like* |
06:18 |
VanessaE |
this would go good with that "magnetic pickup" mod someone else was doing |
06:18 |
VanessaE |
(pick up by walking near) |
06:19 |
leo_rockway |
get timber too. |
06:19 |
VanessaE |
alreadt got timber |
06:19 |
VanessaE |
I just played withit |
06:19 |
VanessaE |
cornernote: you should add something to make blossoms drop also |
06:19 |
VanessaE |
(that is, the white flowers added to trees by the nature pack mod) |
06:20 |
leo_rockway |
VanessaE: timber + item_drop does the magnetic pickup |
06:21 |
VanessaE |
right, item_drop |
06:21 |
cy1 |
meh, blossom drops |
06:21 |
* VanessaE |
looks for it |
06:21 |
leo_rockway |
my video is almost done uploading |
06:21 |
cy1 |
leo_rockway: will love to see it... |
06:21 |
leo_rockway |
okay, one at a time: http://leorockway.com.ar/item_drop+timber.ogv |
06:22 |
leo_rockway |
and don't try to stream o.o |
06:22 |
VanessaE |
ugh, item_drop requires patching the game source. no-go. |
06:22 |
leo_rockway |
VanessaE: no, it doesn't. |
06:22 |
cy1 |
I always stream using wget |
06:22 |
VanessaE |
http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=1597 |
06:22 |
VanessaE |
this isn't it? |
06:22 |
leo_rockway |
cy1: good. |
06:23 |
leo_rockway |
VanessaE: https://github.com/cornernote/minetest-megapack/tree/master/mods/item_drop |
06:23 |
leo_rockway |
VanessaE: but it only works for items that were already dropped |
06:23 |
leo_rockway |
ie: the trees in timber mod |
06:23 |
leo_rockway |
or something you throw |
06:23 |
leo_rockway |
it's not like blockplanet |
06:24 |
VanessaE |
oh right |
06:24 |
VanessaE |
I don't want drop-on-dig anyway |
06:25 |
leo_rockway |
I kind of do |
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06:25 |
leo_rockway |
or at least drop-on-dig-if-inventory-full |
06:25 |
VanessaE |
+1 |
06:25 |
VanessaE |
that is needed. badly. |
06:26 |
leo_rockway |
yes, that's the only reason why I want drop on dip |
06:26 |
leo_rockway |
dig* |
06:26 |
VanessaE |
I think receive-in-dig is fine as it is, but yes it should switch to drop-on-dig when your inventory is full |
06:28 |
VanessaE |
hm, item_drop doesn't work. |
06:28 |
VanessaE |
(it does nothing at all, no errors either) |
06:29 |
VanessaE |
oh eait, I see |
06:29 |
VanessaE |
wait I see. |
06:29 |
VanessaE |
it won't collect items that were already on the ground. |
06:29 |
VanessaE |
just newly-dropped stuff |
06:30 |
cy1 |
how do you collect them then? |
06:30 |
VanessaE |
walk near them. |
06:30 |
VanessaE |
(the rest, punch as usual) |
06:30 |
cy1 |
but it won't collect items already on the ground |
06:30 |
VanessaE |
so it appears. |
06:31 |
VanessaE |
or maybe it's just that it won't collect certain objects. |
06:33 |
leo_rockway |
yeah, it seems to only collect some objects |
06:34 |
VanessaE |
odd, because the code doesn't seem to have anything that limits it |
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leo_rockway |
not even the same objects... |
06:34 |
SegFault22 |
:P |
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06:34 |
leo_rockway |
if you drop leaves, it won't pick them up |
06:34 |
leo_rockway |
only if they were dropped by timber mod |
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06:34 |
SegFault22 |
seems that ecube's server died...yet again... |
06:35 |
leo_rockway |
this, perhaps: item:get_luaentity().dug_by |
06:35 |
leo_rockway |
the items you drop are dropped_by perhaps |
06:36 |
* VanessaE |
shrugs |
06:36 |
SegFault22 |
why... |
06:36 |
SegFault22 |
just why... |
06:36 |
VanessaE |
I'm still learning lua, let along the game's API. |
06:36 |
VanessaE |
alone* |
06:36 |
SegFault22 |
my favorite server - shut down... |
06:36 |
cy1 |
ecube's your favorite? o.O |
06:36 |
SegFault22 |
I wonder what happened to Bcnjr5's server... |
06:36 |
cy1 |
what do you like in a server? |
06:36 |
VanessaE |
SegFault22: his computer died. |
06:37 |
leo_rockway |
VanessaE: same. I only started yesterday. |
06:37 |
SegFault22 |
yesh |
06:37 |
VanessaE |
smashed by his brother or so, hard drive was unrecoverable. |
06:37 |
cy1 |
wut |
06:37 |
cy1 |
really |
06:37 |
cy1 |
jerk >:( |
06:37 |
SegFault22 |
no. |
06:37 |
VanessaE |
I mean bcnjr's server. |
06:37 |
SegFault22 |
ah |
06:37 |
SegFault22 |
why? |
06:37 |
cy1 |
SegFault22: what do you like in a server? |
06:37 |
VanessaE |
don't remember. |
06:37 |
cy1 |
like, what mods, how stable, etc |
06:38 |
VanessaE |
he told me briefly some days ago. |
06:38 |
SegFault22 |
What I like is - good people, inteligent administrators... |
06:38 |
cy1 |
never experienced that |
06:38 |
SegFault22 |
and lots of free, open land... |
06:38 |
cy1 |
lol well except on my server ofc `-` |
06:38 |
cy1 |
backed up hourly! |
06:38 |
SegFault22 |
much unlike Menche's server |
06:38 |
SegFault22 |
wait you have a server? |
06:38 |
cy1 |
oh god menche xD |
06:38 |
SegFault22 |
what's the IP? |
06:39 |
cy1 |
yes SegFault22 at verge.info.tm port 6989 |
06:39 |
SegFault22 |
k |
06:39 |
SegFault22 |
thank you |
06:39 |
cy1 |
momentai |
06:39 |
SegFault22 |
I'll play there until ecube's is back online |
06:39 |
cy1 |
nobody uses it so I haven't checked if it's good in a while |
06:40 |
SegFault22 |
what version? |
06:40 |
cy1 |
It's still on protocol 11. I can switch it to your client though if you want 12. |
06:40 |
VanessaE |
Jun 29 2012 19:55:53 <bcnjr5> My little brother logged in as me on ecube's ser |
06:40 |
VanessaE |
ver and got me banned, then he smashed everything... |
06:40 |
cy1 |
Not sure if good idea to run 11 and 12 at same time. |
06:40 |
VanessaE |
Jun 29 2012 19:57:17 <bcnjr5> I caught him and he destroyed the evidence. :) |
06:41 |
SegFault22 |
ah |
06:41 |
VanessaE |
Jun 29 2012 19:58:57 <bcnjr5> Lol, I am literally using a pile of duct tape attached to a desktop! |
06:41 |
leo_rockway |
any server with 12? |
06:41 |
SegFault22 |
how many mods are installed? the media might fill up mah hard drive... |
06:41 |
cy1 |
glomie's has 12, and so does darkrose (who caused 12 p. much) |
06:41 |
darkrose |
:D |
06:41 |
VanessaE |
leo_rockway: sdzen's supposedly |
06:42 |
cy1 |
SegFault22: seasons, growing... technically hydroponics. It's uh... |
06:42 |
leo_rockway |
url/port? |
06:42 |
SegFault22 |
k |
06:42 |
SegFault22 |
must be seasons then... |
06:42 |
SegFault22 |
I'm too bored to play on any servers... |
06:42 |
SegFault22 |
sorry |
06:42 |
cy1 |
SegFault22: 21mb |
06:42 |
cy1 |
lol np |
06:42 |
SegFault22 |
O.O |
06:43 |
SegFault22 |
tvventy one megabytes |
06:43 |
leo_rockway |
darkrose: what's the url and port of your server? |
06:44 |
SegFault22 |
-.- |
06:44 |
cy1 |
oh damn |
06:44 |
SegFault22 |
goodbye now,... |
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cy1 |
SegFault22: sorry, not counting darkrose's fort it's like |
06:44 |
cy1 |
... |
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06:44 |
darkrose |
leo_rockway: 203.143.236.122 30000 |
06:44 |
leo_rockway |
thanks |
06:49 |
leo_rockway |
my internet is too slow |
06:49 |
leo_rockway |
I can't see what I'm even walking on :S |
06:51 |
cy1 |
:/ |
06:52 |
cy1 |
ok actually my world is more like 4.9 megabytes |
06:52 |
cy1 |
The extra 15 megabytes are all in .git directories ._. |
06:52 |
VanessaE |
haha |
06:52 |
cy1 |
s/world/game/ |
06:53 |
VanessaE |
I should probably re-zip my edition of nature pack to exclude those, now that you mention it :-) |
06:53 |
cy1 |
Always found that DVCS stuff kind of dumb... |
06:54 |
cy1 |
what is the "first" version of anything, and why do you need all versions back to that? |
06:54 |
cy1 |
stop me before I get philosophical |
06:54 |
* darkrose |
duct tapes cy1 to the ceiling |
06:55 |
cy1 |
duct tape is like the force mmmmph |
06:57 |
VanessaE |
http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/nature_pack_controlled-20120731.zip |
06:57 |
VanessaE |
there, sans *~ and *.git* files. |
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06:58 |
VanessaE |
hey ecube. |
07:00 |
VanessaE |
cy1: forget the force - The Schwartz is better. :-) |
07:01 |
VanessaE |
after all, it's available in a concentrated liquid form ;-) |
07:04 |
VanessaE |
jeez. tough crowd. |
07:09 |
cornernote |
you taking over nature pack V ? |
07:09 |
cy1 |
sorry was distracted mining |
07:10 |
VanessaE |
I don't really intend to |
07:10 |
VanessaE |
just putting my changes out there where people can get to them |
07:10 |
cy1 |
she's just taking over growing. |
07:10 |
cornernote |
what did you change ? |
07:10 |
VanessaE |
I fixed flowers to do its job with faster and less code, and adapted bushes and irontrees to fit the changes. |
07:10 |
cornernote |
i might grab a snapshot for my megapack |
07:10 |
cornernote |
ok, nice |
07:11 |
cy1 |
man fuck megapacks |
07:11 |
VanessaE |
everything else is unchanged from Nature Pack Controlled. |
07:11 |
cy1 |
it's all about interdependencies |
07:11 |
cy1 |
not everyone wants the same thing |
07:11 |
cornernote |
i dont want anyone to use my megapack |
07:11 |
cornernote |
its mine |
07:11 |
cornernote |
go make your own megapack |
07:11 |
cornernote |
:) |
07:11 |
VanessaE |
cy1: the megapack is more of a testing thing. What can he do to make minetest break |
07:11 |
VanessaE |
I should zip up a copy of my standard mod pack ;-) |
07:11 |
cy1 |
cornernote: so it's your game then, that's fine |
07:12 |
cornernote |
its my collection of mods that i ripped of from everyone else |
07:12 |
cy1 |
I guess modpack makes more sense than games |
07:12 |
cornernote |
to help me code, and to help me know i am running the latest versions |
07:12 |
cornernote |
and i also use to to generate my wiki database |
07:13 |
cornernote |
all my mods i wrote are also available outside the megapack |
07:13 |
VanessaE |
vanessarainbird:~$ ls -m Minetest-Textures-and-mods/mods/my-standard-set/ |
07:13 |
VanessaE |
animatedtorches, blox, bobblocks, coloredwood, cotton, doorsplus, drippingwater, |
07:13 |
VanessaE |
growing_trees, homedecor, item_drop, Jeija-minetest-mod-mesecons-04bcc45, |
07:13 |
VanessaE |
locked_sign, maptools, moreblocks, moreores, nature_pack_controlled, particles, |
07:13 |
VanessaE |
pipeworks, poisonivy, template, timber, unifiedbricks, unifieddyes, vessels, |
07:13 |
VanessaE |
worldedit |
07:15 |
VanessaE |
(also have several in my "other" directory that I don't install by default, either because they don't work, or I can't really use them, or they do something that pisses me off :-) ) |
07:15 |
cornernote |
on some computers, night in the game is really dark |
07:16 |
cornernote |
is there any way to adjust that ? |
07:16 |
VanessaE |
dunno, driver-level gamma/contrast/brightness maybe? |
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VanessaE |
bbl |
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09:30 |
Calinou |
redcrab, what's the name of the mod you use to protect areas? |
09:54 |
redcrab |
Calinou : node_ownership |
09:54 |
Calinou |
link? |
09:54 |
Calinou |
well I'll search that on the forums |
09:55 |
Calinou |
found it |
09:58 |
Calinou |
redcrab, is it a requirement to use cpp patches? |
09:58 |
Calinou |
or are they included now |
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10:01 |
redcrab |
Calinou : I use only the lua script nothing else |
10:02 |
Calinou |
is the patch to builtin.lua still necessary? |
10:02 |
redcrab |
no patch was applied ... no patch for builtin.lua nor cpp stuff |
10:03 |
* redcrab |
afk |
10:04 |
Calinou |
k |
10:17 |
Calinou |
http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2622 |
10:17 |
Calinou |
created "how do I install maps" topic |
10:17 |
Calinou |
:p |
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11:34 |
Calinou |
sfan5, away nicks are bad mkay? |
11:34 |
sfan5 |
ok |
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Calinou |
hi MiJyn |
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11:44 |
PilzAdam |
does anybody knows anything about a (good) bed mod? |
11:48 |
Calinou |
no |
11:49 |
PilzAdam |
i will write one |
11:52 |
sfan5 |
good :D |
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* VanessaE |
wanders in |
12:14 |
VanessaE |
good morning |
12:17 |
PilzAdam |
it is midday |
12:17 |
VanessaE |
8:17am for me :-) |
12:29 |
thexyz |
Calinou: do you play warsow? |
12:30 |
Calinou |
yes I do |
12:30 |
Calinou |
http://www.warsow.net/wmm/profile/Calinou |
12:30 |
Calinou |
ffa FTW |
12:32 |
VanessaE |
Calinou: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=518 |
12:32 |
VanessaE |
move to old mods and make a new topic for my version? |
12:49 |
redcrab |
Woot ... by server topic reach 1000 replies ... Doh |
12:53 |
VanessaE |
wow |
12:54 |
VanessaE |
what can be said? it's a popular server :-) |
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13:18 |
Calinou |
VanessaE, done |
13:18 |
Calinou |
VanessaE, new topic for your version? |
13:18 |
VanessaE |
I'm working on it now. |
13:18 |
VanessaE |
be up in 10 mins or so. |
13:19 |
Calinou |
k |
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13:28 |
VanessaE |
http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=35094#p35094 |
13:28 |
VanessaE |
Calinou: ^^ |
13:38 |
VanessaE |
I should rewrite the flowers-in-pots definitions to use nodeboxes ;-) |
13:42 |
mauvebic |
square pots? |
13:42 |
VanessaE |
naw, if done right they can look sloped |
13:43 |
VanessaE |
but I'll leave that for another day. |
13:43 |
mauvebic |
slopes/round-faces in nodebox leads to major lag |
13:43 |
VanessaE |
yeah I know, if they're over-used |
13:43 |
mauvebic |
might look good on a local server, but guys like menche are rushing enough keeping things online :p |
13:44 |
mauvebic |
trying to help tkerwel with his pine trees, his leaves are still causing crashes |
13:45 |
mauvebic |
and i still havent found an efficient way to make railings for stairs |
13:45 |
VanessaE |
still getting that out-of-indexes thing eh? |
13:45 |
mauvebic |
too many vertices yeah :( |
13:46 |
VanessaE |
there is a way but it probably won't look right |
13:46 |
VanessaE |
nodeboxes for the verticals |
13:46 |
VanessaE |
raillike for the diagonals |
13:47 |
mauvebic |
can still use nodebox, just settle on blockier leaves |
13:47 |
VanessaE |
but you'll have to design your own custom stairs too, otherwise the nodeboxes won't connect to them |
13:47 |
mauvebic |
doesnt have to be a full nodes worth like ordinary trees |
13:47 |
VanessaE |
I mean for your railings |
13:47 |
mauvebic |
i already have stairs, its the railings im trying to fit to them (right now they only fit to normal height nodes) |
13:48 |
VanessaE |
like I said :-) |
13:48 |
mauvebic |
the railings would practically have to 2 nodes high to look proper |
13:48 |
VanessaE |
either you use a shitload of really small nodeboxes to act like voxels, or use a few for the vertical parts, and raillike for the diagonal handrails |
13:48 |
mauvebic |
raillike wont work |
13:49 |
mauvebic |
im using nodebox for the collision detection |
13:49 |
VanessaE |
I know, it has no thickness |
13:49 |
VanessaE |
oh that too |
13:49 |
mauvebic |
seen my catwalks? |
13:49 |
VanessaE |
yeah |
13:49 |
mauvebic |
they really work, i was surprised lol |
13:49 |
VanessaE |
you should push the catwalks into their own mod with traditional textures |
13:49 |
VanessaE |
they would be really *really* useful I think |
13:49 |
mauvebic |
the player is about 0.8 of a nodebox in width lol |
13:50 |
mauvebic |
yeah the whole staircase mod could use its own thread |
13:50 |
VanessaE |
*nod* |
13:50 |
mauvebic |
sometimes though i feel like im reposting stuff |
13:50 |
mauvebic |
cuz of the cross-referencing |
13:50 |
VanessaE |
but separate railings from stairs and call them "catwalks" explicitly |
13:51 |
VanessaE |
you're not reposting, each mod has a distinct purpose |
13:51 |
VanessaE |
it's just that you're always revising stuff, moving things from one mod to another ;-) |
13:51 |
mauvebic |
railings, catwalks and stairs are all designed to "fit" together so you can walk from one to the other without jumping |
13:51 |
VanessaE |
stabilize dammit ;-) |
13:51 |
mauvebic |
madbricks and 4seasons are stabilized lol |
13:52 |
mauvebic |
id like to see buckoff merged into buckets so i can drop it as a mod too |
13:52 |
mauvebic |
its a simple chat command anyhow |
13:52 |
VanessaE |
clone the minetest repos, tweak and upload buckoff into it, and issue a pull requect |
13:52 |
VanessaE |
request* |
13:52 |
mauvebic |
lollll |
13:52 |
VanessaE |
c55 might actually like it, |
13:53 |
mauvebic |
i tried using git yesterday |
13:53 |
mauvebic |
after 3 hours i grew frustrated and closed my account |
13:53 |
VanessaE |
git is easier to learn than it seems like, people just overcomplicate the instructions |
13:53 |
mauvebic |
its the interface |
13:53 |
VanessaE |
what interface? use the command line :-) |
13:53 |
mauvebic |
links everywhere and none of the terms are familiar. wheres the "upload" button? |
13:53 |
mauvebic |
i couldnt upload through command line either |
13:53 |
VanessaE |
upload: |
13:53 |
VanessaE |
git add . |
13:53 |
VanessaE |
git commit |
13:53 |
mauvebic |
or through the thunar git plugin |
13:54 |
VanessaE |
git push -u |
13:54 |
mauvebic |
where do i run that command from? the mod folder or its parent? |
13:54 |
mauvebic |
and why do i get this "not .git" error message? |
13:54 |
VanessaE |
from the mod folder where you ran git init |
13:54 |
VanessaE |
ah see, you didn't follow their setup guide :-) |
13:54 |
mauvebic |
ok gimme a sec while the infos all there lol |
13:55 |
VanessaE |
go back to github, re-open your account or whatever, go to your repository listings page (http://github.com/mauvebic or whatever), find the New Reopsitory button |
13:55 |
VanessaE |
it'll guide you through the rest. There are about half a dozen commands to run |
13:56 |
VanessaE |
cloning is even easier - it's like one click and you're done, then you git pull <url> to download your clone to your machine |
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13:56 |
VanessaE |
er, 'scuse me, 'git clone <url>' :-) |
13:56 |
mauvebic |
okay so i created the repo |
13:56 |
mauvebic |
how to upload? |
13:57 |
mauvebic |
(we should probably post a howto to to the forums using chat logs after:P) |
13:57 |
VanessaE |
wait wait |
13:57 |
VanessaE |
are you going for a clone-patch-upload-pullrequest of c55's main branch, or are you just uploading a mod for the rest of the world to use/ |
13:57 |
VanessaE |
? |
13:57 |
mauvebic |
uploading |
13:58 |
VanessaE |
ok |
13:58 |
VanessaE |
did you follow the stuff where they to use git init, git add remote, etc? |
13:58 |
mauvebic |
did see that in the links :/ |
13:59 |
VanessaE |
github always presents you with a brief instructions page after you create a new repo |
13:59 |
VanessaE |
but briefly, |
13:59 |
VanessaE |
cd yourfolder |
13:59 |
VanessaE |
git init |
13:59 |
VanessaE |
make a README file |
13:59 |
VanessaE |
then, |
13:59 |
VanessaE |
git add . |
14:00 |
VanessaE |
git remote add origin <the url they give you at the top of the page> |
14:00 |
VanessaE |
git commit -m "first commit" |
14:00 |
mauvebic |
the url? |
14:00 |
VanessaE |
git push -u origin master |
14:00 |
mauvebic |
this url? https://github.com/mauvebic/nullspace |
14:00 |
VanessaE |
yeah |
14:00 |
VanessaE |
when it asks for username/passwd, use the ones you use to log into github. |
14:01 |
VanessaE |
wait, no |
14:01 |
VanessaE |
wait, no... it'll be https://github.com/mauvebic/nullspace.git |
14:01 |
VanessaE |
(note the '.git' part) |
14:01 |
Calinou |
<VanessaE> git init |
14:01 |
Calinou |
don't think I ever did git init for my repos |
14:01 |
VanessaE |
Calinou: I just do what github says :-) |
14:02 |
VanessaE |
Calinou: flowers thread is up if you didn't already see it |
14:02 |
Calinou |
k |
14:02 |
Calinou |
I think there should be flowers in the default game. :D |
14:03 |
Calinou |
however, generation/growth of stuff really needs a speedup... see the dungeon mod by c55, it freezes in singleplayer when a dungeon is generated |
14:03 |
Calinou |
"(above roughly 1/4 that of full daylight)" < imo, it should be like 75% of day light |
14:04 |
Calinou |
light levels 10+ |
14:04 |
VanessaE |
I might consider it :-) |
14:04 |
VanessaE |
let's see how it plays out first, if others like the current spawn rate |
14:05 |
Calinou |
moved topic to mod release |
14:05 |
Calinou |
(you could do it yourself anyway) |
14:06 |
VanessaE |
I tried to model the ov....wow, that was quick.... erall rates of the original flowers, I didn't want to stray too far from the norm. |
14:06 |
Calinou |
O_o your mod is 2.3mb |
14:06 |
VanessaE |
eh? |
14:06 |
VanessaE |
odd, there's only a few K of code |
14:06 |
Calinou |
don't put screenshots in the zipball |
14:06 |
Calinou |
:/ |
14:07 |
Calinou |
and remove gitignore |
14:07 |
VanessaE |
oh that's right, screenshots :-) |
14:07 |
Calinou |
you should make a separate "stable" download, then upload to omploader or such |
14:07 |
* Calinou |
should add cotton texture in misa pack |
14:07 |
VanessaE |
no way, if I do that I'll get confused :-) |
14:07 |
Calinou |
well, remove screenshots |
14:07 |
VanessaE |
I'll move the screenshots |
14:07 |
Calinou |
the mod is about 12kb without screenshots |
14:08 |
Calinou |
"local DEBUG = 1"' < should be 0 by default ;) |
14:09 |
VanessaE |
wait wait, one at a time :-) |
14:09 |
VanessaE |
I still nee dto deal with a shitload of screens :-) |
14:09 |
Calinou |
disabled it in my local copies of junglegrass and flowers |
14:17 |
* VanessaE |
grumbles |
14:18 |
VanessaE |
is there a way to tell git to just use "the current state"? |
14:18 |
VanessaE |
instead of having to remove every damn file? |
14:18 |
VanessaE |
prune? |
14:21 |
VanessaE |
git gc --aggressive |
14:21 |
VanessaE |
that works. |
14:21 |
VanessaE |
no it don't. |
14:25 |
VanessaE |
git commit -a -m "blah blah" |
14:25 |
VanessaE |
shoulda figured. |
14:28 |
VanessaE |
ok, all screenshots deleted from all mods. |
14:28 |
VanessaE |
I'll deal with the debug settings later. |
14:28 |
VanessaE |
I left them all at '1' because I wasn't convinced that everything was exactly right. |
14:28 |
VanessaE |
(spawn rates, node names, etc) |
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14:48 |
VanessaE |
there. All screenshots and crafting guides have been deleted from all of my mods, and moved to my personal web space. All related forum topics have been updated accordingly. |
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15:08 |
PilzAdam |
Ive just release my bed mod: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=35112#p35112 |
15:09 |
PilzAdam |
could a moderator please move it to mod releases? |
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15:15 |
thexyz |
PilzAdam: moved |
15:15 |
PilzAdam |
thanks |
15:21 |
VanessaE |
aren't there already two or three other bed mods? |
15:22 |
PilzAdam |
they dont work |
15:22 |
VanessaE |
oh ok :-) |
15:22 |
PilzAdam |
i asked here before |
15:22 |
thexyz |
damn that shit |
15:22 |
thexyz |
> print("[Flowers] Loaded!") |
15:22 |
thexyz |
whyyyy? |
15:23 |
PilzAdam |
i think jeija or someone startet this and everyone copied it |
15:23 |
thexyz |
that's awful |
15:23 |
VanessaE |
so that there's something on the controlling terminal that shows the mod was in fact loaded correctly? |
15:24 |
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15:24 |
thexyz |
if mod was not loaded correctly game will crash |
15:24 |
thexyz |
otherwise it won't |
15:24 |
thexyz |
simple, yeah? |
15:24 |
VanessaE |
nonono |
15:24 |
VanessaE |
it shows the mod was loaded, as in the thing is present to begin with :-) |
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15:25 |
thexyz |
lol |
15:25 |
VanessaE |
it's for the idiots out there who can't find a file manager with both hands and a HOWTO :-) |
15:25 |
thexyz |
"unaffiliated" |
15:25 |
VanessaE |
(since I assume the game runs from a console in windows) |
15:25 |
thexyz |
windows? |
15:26 |
thexyz |
but, anyway, i think i shouldn't care |
15:26 |
VanessaE |
of course; in linux it's assumed there's a controlling terminal available :-) |
15:26 |
VanessaE |
but indeed, who cares anyway, it's not like the game's sitting there dumping the same line out constantly :-) |
15:27 |
Calinou |
<thexyz> "unaffiliated" |
15:27 |
Calinou |
the troll cloak since 2010(R) |
15:27 |
VanessaE |
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15:27 |
VanessaE |
some troll cloak :-) |
15:27 |
thexyz |
yes, yes, troll |
15:27 |
Calinou |
(pretty much every guy who is banned on a channel with a cloak has "unaffiliated") |
15:27 |
thexyz |
(07:25:04 PM) Calinou [~Calinou41.113.101.84.rev.sfr.net] entered the room. |
15:27 |
thexyz |
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15:27 |
thexyz |
(07:25:06 PM) Calinou [~Calinouunaffiliated/calinou] entered the room. |
15:27 |
Calinou |
blame xchat for not logging in properly |
15:27 |
Calinou |
fully aware of this |
15:28 |
* Calinou |
needs to find a way to hide joins/parts/quits in xchat |
15:29 |
Calinou |
-JeBot- Please reconfigure your client to use your NickServ password as your server password to avoid spamming when you join. See http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nocloakonjoin |
15:29 |
Calinou |
O_o |
15:29 |
* VanessaE |
doesn't hide behind silly cloaks/tor/proxies/etc |
15:29 |
VanessaE |
I fear no hacker :-) |
15:31 |
Calinou |
I like my troll cloak. :P |
15:31 |
* Calinou |
just joined #minecraft due to that claok bug |
15:31 |
Calinou |
cloak* |
15:31 |
Calinou |
but can't talk |
15:34 |
VanessaE |
Calinou: so junglegrass and flowers are okay as they are? |
15:34 |
Calinou |
creating a new world... |
15:35 |
Calinou |
no flowers/jungle grass... |
15:35 |
VanessaE |
it takes a while for them to show up. |
15:35 |
Calinou |
k |
15:37 |
* VanessaE |
disables all debug settings by default. |
15:45 |
VanessaE |
there. |
15:45 |
[JJ]Albert |
I really enjoy how far minetest has gone. |
15:45 |
[JJ]Albert |
With the sound now. |
15:45 |
[JJ]Albert |
And it looks a little better now than it did. But the characters are still a little basic. |
15:46 |
VanessaE |
characters? |
15:46 |
VanessaE |
you mean the green thing? :-) |
15:46 |
[JJ]Albert |
The player models. |
15:46 |
[JJ]Albert |
Yeh |
15:46 |
[JJ]Albert |
:p |
15:46 |
VanessaE |
heh |
15:46 |
[JJ]Albert |
I'd like to customize that. |
15:46 |
VanessaE |
well there are lots of alternate skins out there |
15:46 |
[JJ]Albert |
Ala doom sprites. |
15:46 |
VanessaE |
misa's pack has a nice one |
15:46 |
[JJ]Albert |
Oh, cool. I missed the rush. :D |
15:46 |
VanessaE |
cy1's server uses a rabbit |
15:47 |
[JJ]Albert |
Where can I find the alt. skins. |
15:47 |
VanessaE |
redcrab.suret.net:30401 uses a squat little german-looking guy in a hat |
15:47 |
VanessaE |
most come as part of some texture pack |
15:47 |
[JJ]Albert |
Ah, kk. |
15:47 |
[JJ]Albert |
I've been gone for quite a while then. :p |
15:48 |
VanessaE |
it's also easy to make your own |
15:48 |
[JJ]Albert |
yeh. |
15:48 |
VanessaE |
just draw an image of whatever size, name it player.png and (I think) player_back.png for the back size |
15:48 |
VanessaE |
back side* |
15:48 |
[JJ]Albert |
Sounds like a plan. |
15:49 |
VanessaE |
then drop them in <minetestfolder>/textures/all |
15:49 |
VanessaE |
or add them to whatever texture pack you like :-) |
15:50 |
[JJ]Albert |
Buuut, It'll be cool to see a multi-player system someday. Where the server loads up a single player's custom player texture, so you have more than one character design on a server. |
15:50 |
VanessaE |
I still need to come up with a nice photorealistic player graphic for my texture pack. |
15:50 |
VanessaE |
(and preferably something that's generic/unisex) |
15:51 |
[JJ]Albert |
Lol, yeh. |
15:51 |
[JJ]Albert |
I do enjoy having minetest around. |
15:51 |
[JJ]Albert |
Especially since Minecraft is such a POS. |
15:51 |
VanessaE |
a lot of people have asked for that, actually. near as anyone can figure, the only safe way to do it is to supply a bunch of player models on the server side and push them to all clients as needed. |
15:51 |
[JJ]Albert |
It won't run on ANY of my computers. :-\ |
15:52 |
VanessaE |
(otherwise, it would be the client pushing an image to the server, which could lead to security risks) |
15:53 |
[JJ]Albert |
I wonder just when minetest is supposed to diverge, though. :p |
15:53 |
GTRsdk |
Minecraft is expensive (would cost ~110 to get 4 players and then server costs for a private server...) |
15:53 |
[JJ]Albert |
From the minecraft formula. |
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15:56 |
[JJ]Albert |
Also, neat site there, VanessaE. I've got more old C64s than I know what to use. |
15:56 |
VanessaE |
thanks :-) |
15:57 |
[JJ]Albert |
I totally wanna set mine up for audio production... Or stick the SID on one of those sid cards for PC. |
15:58 |
[JJ]Albert |
Also, that might be the best way to handle multi-player models. |
15:58 |
[JJ]Albert |
The #1 thing that needs a bit of improvement, in my opinion, would be how the chunks load on the server. |
15:59 |
[JJ]Albert |
I was falling into this really long chasm that I went too fast for the server, and I kept returning to a certain point way up in the chasm... |
15:59 |
[JJ]Albert |
And so it seemed never-ending. |
15:59 |
VanessaE |
yup, stupid anti-cheat system |
15:59 |
VanessaE |
lots of people hate that |
16:00 |
VanessaE |
was the server, by chance, minetest.ru:30001 ? |
16:00 |
[JJ]Albert |
I finally died when I placed down a block on the wall. |
16:00 |
[JJ]Albert |
Nope. |
16:00 |
VanessaE |
oh ok |
16:00 |
[JJ]Albert |
My connection is too shite for that. |
16:00 |
VanessaE |
There's such a shaft there called Hell's Jump, goes down 7000m :-) |
16:00 |
[JJ]Albert |
I really need to get a long strand of ethernet cable for my computer. |
16:01 |
[JJ]Albert |
Woah. |
16:01 |
VanessaE |
ends with a ladder stop and no way back up except to jump into a really active lava flow and let the game respawn you :-) |
16:01 |
[JJ]Albert |
Lol |
16:01 |
[JJ]Albert |
Also, are water physics nonexistent? |
16:01 |
VanessaE |
well water slows you down and you sink if you don't keep swimming |
16:02 |
[JJ]Albert |
I mean, water moving. |
16:02 |
VanessaE |
but it won't drown you or wash you down river |
16:02 |
[JJ]Albert |
Water flowing, yeh. :p |
16:05 |
[JJ]Albert |
Er... My connection is so slow. I'm gonna go back to my crappier laptop. |
16:05 |
[JJ]Albert |
brb |
16:06 |
Keegan_ |
on my other laptop is works for 4.2 r1 and when i test it on the one that dont work still doesnt |
16:06 |
VanessaE |
Keegan_: it is 0.4.2 |
16:06 |
Keegan_ |
i downloaded it from the same place |
16:06 |
VanessaE |
please note the leading zero. |
16:07 |
VanessaE |
but still doesn't work, with what again? |
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16:07 |
Keegan_ |
im on a different laptop and it works |
16:07 |
VanessaE |
then you're not actually using what you thought on the "non working" machine :-) |
16:08 |
Keegan_ |
tsure |
16:08 |
VanessaE |
if it works on one machine but not on another, then one of the two is not what you thought it was - maybe you have more than one version installed, maybe what you put in is corrupt |
16:09 |
Keegan_ |
i have three different versions in the same place |
16:09 |
VanessaE |
that may be the problem |
16:10 |
VanessaE |
you click on a launch icon thinking it goes to one version, but it goes to another instead. |
16:10 |
Keegan_ |
so put them in a different place |
16:10 |
VanessaE |
I can't say what's best, I don't use Windows. |
16:10 |
VanessaE |
on Linux, it's easy - I have a system-wide install of 0.4.1, and I also have a copy of 0.4.2-rc1 installed in a run-in-place fashion, so the two don't conflict |
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16:11 |
[JJ]Albert |
So is there anyplace where custom texture packs are hosted? |
16:12 |
VanessaE |
[JJ]Albert: there's the texture packs section of the minetest forums |
16:12 |
VanessaE |
but each author chooses his or her own place to host the actual datafiles |
16:13 |
[JJ]Albert |
ah, kk |
16:15 |
[JJ]Albert |
Er, where do I place the custom textures? |
16:15 |
[JJ]Albert |
In nix? |
16:16 |
VanessaE |
I manage my files locally and host them on github, others use sites like ompldr or dropbox |
16:16 |
VanessaE |
one guy uses google docs of all places. |
16:16 |
[JJ]Albert |
Kewl. Yeh. |
16:16 |
[JJ]Albert |
So where do I place custom textures? |
16:16 |
VanessaE |
in linux, are you using a run-in-place build or a regular system-wide build? |
16:16 |
[JJ]Albert |
the latter. |
16:16 |
VanessaE |
ok |
16:16 |
VanessaE |
~/.minetest/textures/all |
16:16 |
VanessaE |
or, |
16:17 |
VanessaE |
just put the folder somewhere in your homedir, and edit ~/.minetest/minetest.conf to point to it |
16:17 |
[JJ]Albert |
Oh, kk. |
16:17 |
VanessaE |
texture_path = /home/yourname/path/to/textures |
16:17 |
VanessaE |
(that's how I do it) |
16:17 |
[JJ]Albert |
If /textures/all doesnt exist, can I make it? |
16:17 |
VanessaE |
yes |
16:18 |
darkrose |
hmm, should really switch to xdg directories |
16:18 |
VanessaE |
I prefer to point minetest.conf at the desired directory, that way I can just comment-out the texture_path line when I need to switch to defaults |
16:20 |
VanessaE |
(well, that and delete my animatedtorches mod from ~/.minetest/mods/minetest if that is also needed) |
16:20 |
Keegan_ |
didnt work |
16:21 |
[JJ]Albert |
Yeh, is more ram important for larger chunk loading? |
16:21 |
VanessaE |
Keegan_: uninstall all copies of minetest from the "not working" machine and try again from an official build. |
16:21 |
VanessaE |
and I mean *all* copies |
16:21 |
[JJ]Albert |
Chunks are loading all slow on the laptop of mine. W/ 512MB |
16:21 |
[JJ]Albert |
RAM |
16:21 |
VanessaE |
even those you don't (think you) use anymore |
16:21 |
[JJ]Albert |
But, I g2g |
16:21 |
VanessaE |
[JJ]Albert: I'm not sure, but I do know the game IS ram-hungry |
16:22 |
Keegan_ |
i did remove all copies and download 0.4.2 on it |
16:22 |
VanessaE |
Keegan_: what server? |
16:22 |
Keegan_ |
sdzens |
16:22 |
VanessaE |
what is the address? I don't remember it |
16:23 |
Keegan_ |
minetest.freedns.in:30000 |
16:24 |
VanessaE |
Keegan_: works for me (0.4.2-rc1 from github) |
16:24 |
Keegan_ |
how many versions do you have on your computer |
16:25 |
VanessaE |
I already told you. |
16:25 |
VanessaE |
two. |
16:25 |
VanessaE |
0.4.1 installed system-wide, and 0.4.2-rc1 as a run-in-place build, which is what I'm using now. No doubt you saw me join just a minute ago |
16:26 |
Keegan_ |
whats system wide and run-in-place |
16:26 |
VanessaE |
run-in-place means you can copy the the game to any directory you want and it will take all of its configuration information, textures, mods with it and run from there |
16:27 |
VanessaE |
system-wide means it is installed in one place and expects to find its configs/textures/mods somewhere else, and when you move it, the configs/textures/mods don't movde. |
16:27 |
VanessaE |
move* |
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16:31 |
VanessaE |
hey jin. |
16:34 |
VanessaE |
ok, time to go lie down for a bit |
16:34 |
VanessaE |
bbl |
16:34 |
Keegan_ |
bye' |
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16:56 |
Calinou |
HAPPY BIRTHDAY MINETEST 0.2_20110731! |
16:56 |
Calinou |
:D |
16:59 |
PilzAdam |
HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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17:19 |
Keegan |
hello |
17:19 |
OldCoder |
Keegan, hello back |
17:20 |
OldCoder |
PilzAdam, Minetest is older than a year, isn't it? |
17:20 |
OldCoder |
That is one heck of a signoff |
17:20 |
PilzAdam |
Calinou wrote: "HAPPY BIRTHDAY MINETEST 0.2_20110731!" |
17:21 |
OldCoder |
All right |
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OldCoder |
Just curious |
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thexyz |
cloaks are for noobz :P |
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Calinou |
you have a cloak... :p |
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thexyz |
no, i don't |
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thexyz |
or it's default one |
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Calinou |
(~thexyzminetest.ru) |
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Calinou |
>cloak |
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Calinou |
>irc over ssh |
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Calinou |
inb4 root |
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thexyz |
wat? |
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thexyz |
are you saying stupid things again?) |
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saschaheylik |
minetest should be like this, don't you agree? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onPO_eddt14&feature=related |
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thexyz |
no it shouldn't |
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NakedFury |
I like the lightning in the video |
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leo_rockway |
snow biome looks really good |
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leo_rockway |
and walking light, or whatever it's called sounds good, but it's buggy for now |
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Keegan |
hello |
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GTRsdk |
Gonig to have a super powerful public server up in a little bit |
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SegFault22 |
ah, I see, so ''SFan5'' uses the name ''sfan5'' to con fuse people to think it's ''stan5'' and make the person saying the name ''stan5'' look retarded...another common mistake among newbies that get granted moderator privileges... |
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SegFault22 |
confuse*** |
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SegFault22 |
damned keyboard |
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SegFault22 |
meh... |
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mauvebic |
sup |
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sdzen |
sup |
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mauvebic |
its happy hour here |
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sdzen |
is it? I almost fell asleep for a moment. |
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mauvebic |
slow news on day on IRC :p |
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mauvebic |
*slow news day |
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mauvebic |
lol |
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[JJ]Albert |
slow |
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mauvebic |
what version ur server run? 0.4.1/2/3? |
22:30 |
mauvebic |
the only one i can connect to is menche and u need a password before even visiting lol |
22:30 |
mauvebic |
though im sure by now landmine and segfault are making griefer babies elsewhere |
22:32 |
GTRsdk |
I'm about to have a URL for my 0.4.1 server |
22:32 |
GTRsdk |
but if you'd like to try it just using its IP... 198.245.62.54 port 30000 |
22:33 |
mauvebic |
i cant connect *right* now still got 2 peeps on my rivenserver |
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GTRsdk |
(No one is on yet, I just created it.... will have to restart the server for adding in admins though) |
22:33 |
GTRsdk |
okay |
22:33 |
mauvebic |
then when its quiet i like to visit other servers for ideas |
22:33 |
mauvebic |
*though when |
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GTRsdk |
okay |
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GTRsdk |
how much RAM does your server have? |
22:34 |
mauvebic |
2 gigs |
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mauvebic |
but a p4 |
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mauvebic |
im looking to patch the client for performance on old rigs like mine lol |
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[JJ]Albert |
What server is good ATM? |
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GTRsdk |
Mine is vanilla, so it wouldn't be good for ideas much... but it shoudl be online with a super fat pipe && lots of space (Intel Core i3 + 16 GB DDR3 + 2 TB hdd) |
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* VanessaE |
looks around |
22:54 |
[JJ]Albert |
:p |
22:55 |
VanessaE |
mauvebic: you can start by moving the texture extrude process to an on-demand setup, and extruding only tools and craft items :-) |
22:55 |
[JJ]Albert |
whats a good server right now? 0.4.1 |
22:55 |
VanessaE |
that'll chop down the startup time |
22:55 |
VanessaE |
[JJ]Albert: redcrab.suret.net 30401 (ask for privs in the forum topic for that server) |
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* khonkhortisan |
learned to not dig around the base of a lavafall |
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VanessaE |
others like mt1.gameboom.net (uid/pw from your gameboom account) |
22:56 |
VanessaE |
port 30000 I think on that one |
22:57 |
VanessaE |
minetest.ru port 30001 ("ol' laggy" as some have come to call it ;-) ) is fun to play on also. |
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[JJ]Albert |
whats the pass to that one |
22:57 |
VanessaE |
create one :-) |
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[JJ]Albert |
oh. :p |
22:58 |
VanessaE |
(I think you can sign on sans password) |
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GTRsdk |
gtr2.mooo.com:30000 |
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VanessaE |
zzz |