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00:00 VanessaE no
00:00 VanessaE but it'll make it possible to dig them again
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00:12 MiJyn DANG
00:12 MiJyn MySDLD is taking 146% of CPU
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00:17 MiJyn ok gotta reboot :(
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00:51 VanessaE there.
00:52 VanessaE interesting - when did mese get reverted back to the old bright-yellow-with-black-text texture?
00:56 cy1 since its awesomeness overcame any shackles of time
00:56 VanessaE hm, back on the 7th.  Why why it took so long for my machine to pick it up
00:56 VanessaE s/why why/wonder why/
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01:11 NakedFury anyone know why connecting to a channel would not work?
01:11 VanessaE no clue
01:11 NakedFury im connected but its frozen in the server channel, esperNet and cant join any #channels
01:12 VanessaE never used that network
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01:17 NakedFury why?
01:27 VanessaE why what?
01:28 NakedFury never use that wetwork
01:28 VanessaE never useD :-)
01:28 VanessaE as in I've never been ther
01:28 VanessaE there*
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02:06 NoXzema I was trying mintest 0.4 and found it rather laggy
02:06 NoXzema I also found that when removing a block, you could temporarily see space underneath it
02:07 NakedFury yes
02:07 NoXzema And I can't figure out how to get into fullscreen mode
02:07 NakedFury what do you mean?
02:08 NoXzema When I start up minetest, it's windowed. I'd like it to take up my whole screen
02:08 NakedFury press the maximize button
02:08 NoXzema That's still windowed, just a larger window lol
02:09 NakedFury its a maximized full screen window then
02:09 NoXzema ...
02:09 NakedFury I dont know of any other way
02:09 NoXzema Then one should possibly be added lol
02:10 NoXzema A fullscreen option is a big deal for some people lol
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06:22 MiJyn hey
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07:41 Calinou spam on wiki :c
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07:45 T_A_N_K oh calinou!
07:46 Calinou still fixing it up
07:46 Calinou inb4 T_A_N_K sent it
07:46 T_A_N_K time to EXPLODE the wiki
07:46 T_A_N_K lulz4ever
07:46 sfan5 cookie tnt!
07:49 Calinou lol
07:49 Calinou vandalism undo'd and vandals blocked, pages protected
07:51 T_A_N_K i remember when the owner was so angry that i asked him if i could copy the wiki, even though i helped him make it lmao
07:53 Calinou *10 blocks done*
07:55 T_A_N_K http://soundcloud.com/jordan-craige/test
07:56 Calinou lol
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08:24 marktraceur cy1: Server's back up
08:33 Calinou suggestion for xpanes mod: do not draw the top face if the pane is fully surrounded by other panes
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08:33 Calinou :o
08:33 marktraceur Calinou: Yes?
08:33 Calinou didn't knew you were a fsf member
08:33 Calinou s/knew/know
08:33 marktraceur Is it really so shocking?
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09:07 cy1 thanks marktraceur
09:07 cy1 about my bedtime tohugh
09:09 Calinou marktraceur, no
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09:29 * Calinou is playing 0.3.1 - I miss mobs. :(
09:29 Calinou mining was scarier :P
09:34 Calinou http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2212 < spam, sfan5, thexyz
09:35 sfan5 deleted
09:36 Calinou thanks
09:36 sfan5 np
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12:19 thexyz http://servers.minetest.ru/
12:20 thexyz also, Calinou, what do you mean by "top face" of pane?
12:20 Calinou the texture on the top should be hidden, if there is another pane on top
12:34 * VanessaE peeks in
12:35 sfan5 hi VanessaE
12:35 VanessaE hey hey
12:37 VanessaE measuring uptime to five 9's eh?  optimistic ;-)
12:37 thexyz why no?
12:39 VanessaE nevermind, calculated in my head wrong :-)
12:44 VanessaE thexyz: can you generate a new overview map?  I'm curious :-)
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13:10 thexyz VanessaE: http://minetest.ru/smap2.png
13:11 VanessaE thanks
13:11 VanessaE wow, that third level of emspri's castle is huge, and it ain't eben done yet
13:12 VanessaE even
13:13 VanessaE I still can't figure out what that round structure is south of my house across the lake...  it's big and interesting, but wtf is it?
13:14 Calinou http://minetest.ru/smap2.png
13:14 Calinou it's sad how EVERY SINGLE FUCKING MAP has these gray lines as roads
13:14 Calinou every single fucking map has those
13:14 Calinou random stone squares
13:14 VanessaE well sure, they're usually made of cobble, what else did you expect?
13:15 thexyz it's sad that minetest generates fucking flying islands
13:15 thexyz at ~7000-8000 heigh
13:15 thexyz t
13:15 FreeFull Shush, Flying islands are cool
13:15 thexyz they make shadow
13:15 thexyz that's not cool
13:15 VanessaE I've been clearing those out when I find 'em
13:15 VanessaE OH
13:15 VanessaE not the ones at 7000+ though
13:16 VanessaE I always wondered what was causing those shadows
13:16 thexyz http://plasmon.rghost.ru/38958741/image.png
13:16 thexyz see that
13:16 thexyz 8533
13:16 VanessaE weird
13:17 FreeFull =P
13:17 thexyz yes
13:17 VanessaE Oh I see how it is.  moreores on your private machine but not on the server.  fine :-)
13:17 thexyz even with trees
13:17 thexyz that's main minetest.ru server
13:17 thexyz and this screenshot is not mine
13:17 VanessaE I was kidding anyway :-)
13:17 thexyz another one — http://plasmon.rghost.ru/38958755/image.png
13:18 VanessaE one does have to wonder why the mapgen does that
13:18 VanessaE should be easy to add a cutoff though - if it tries to generate something higher than +75, just don't generate
13:18 VanessaE it's a kludge but it'll work
13:19 Calinou lol, almost MC
13:19 jordach Calinou, STOP
13:19 Calinou <VanessaE> should be easy to add a cutoff though - if it tries to generate something higher than +75, just don't generate < yeah
13:19 jordach interesting skyblocks
13:19 VanessaE jordach:  too late :)
13:20 jordach never too late
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13:26 Calinou hmm, compressing the map render using OptiPNG reduces size by 34%
13:26 Calinou takes time though
13:31 Calinou https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/issues/143
13:31 Calinou HI ARCHLINUXIAN
13:33 Calinou my debug.txt is 82MB; removed it
13:34 Calinou http://wiki.minetest.com/wiki/Special:RecentChanges
13:34 Calinou -_- more spam
13:35 jordach then lock some pages
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13:35 MiJyn hey guys
13:37 VanessaE hey mijyn
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13:39 jordach i just added my wool to the wiki
13:40 MiJyn nice!
13:41 VanessaE ADS ON THE WIKI!?
13:41 MiJyn yeah...
13:42 jordach VanessaE, you might have a virus
13:42 jordach just go give yerself a scan
13:43 VanessaE a virus on a linux box?  hah
13:44 Calinou <VanessaE> ADS ON THE WIKI!?
13:44 Calinou adblock
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13:46 Calinou 10 spammers banned.
13:46 Calinou wb thexyz
13:47 Calinou Number of edits:420
13:47 Calinou Registration time:17:01, 13 April 2012
13:47 Calinou :D
13:47 MiJyn lol
13:47 MiJyn hi thexyz
13:48 jordach VanessaE, stranger things can happen
13:48 MiJyn jordach, but a virus is quite unlikely
13:48 jordach Been running Windows 7 for two months now, no VIRUSES so far
13:48 jordach yet im always watching...
13:49 MiJyn yeah, but you are gonna get a virus sometime. Also, linux boxes don't get viruses
13:49 jordach O RLY
13:49 thexyz jordach: you meant, "no viruses that presence i can clearly identify" so far?
13:50 jordach nope, i run boot time scans
13:50 jordach every week
13:50 jordach so no WIN DRIVER GEST GOING
13:50 thexyz s/ i / me and my antivirus /
13:51 VanessaE there.  my adblockplus install musta been bugged.  re-installed and the ads are toast :-)
13:51 thexyz i used to have windows on my pc
13:51 jordach USED
13:52 thexyz but then i took a virus in the knee =(
13:52 MiJyn yeah
13:52 jordach HA
13:52 MiJyn and windows is so doggone slow
13:52 jordach o rly
13:52 MiJyn plus impossible to develop with
13:52 jordach again
13:52 jordach not hard
13:52 MiJyn compared to linux, yeah
13:52 thexyz what is not hard?
13:52 thexyz developing?
13:52 jordach see ace of spades dev team
13:52 thexyz developing on WINDOWS?
13:52 thexyz are you fucking kidding me?
13:52 MiJyn thexyz, yeah
13:52 jordach MiJyn, get out
13:52 thexyz does windows, at least, has console?
13:52 MiJyn seriously, there are no packages
13:53 MiJyn console is nearly impossible to use
13:53 thexyz (not that 90-like cmd)
13:53 thexyz or whatever
13:53 jordach WHO NEEDS PACKAGES...OH WAIT, WHATS A /XIP FILE
13:53 MiJyn ok, powershell exists
13:53 thexyz oh, and you can't resize it
13:53 MiJyn but that is dumb
13:53 thexyz i don't know anything about powershell
13:53 thexyz can it cat, tail, head, less, vim, wget, curl?
13:53 MiJyn powershell?
13:53 MiJyn no it can't
13:53 thexyz just its existance
13:54 MiJyn yerp
13:54 thexyz mm.. i think i can have cygwin installed
13:54 jordach d:
13:54 jordach D:
13:54 thexyz so, what is powershell used for?
13:54 jordach a 12 GiB install BAH
13:55 thexyz is it like "terminal emulator"?
13:55 jordach yes
13:55 MiJyn it's like a .net shell made by M$
13:55 jordach Cygwin is FAT
13:55 thexyz jordach: no, it isn't
13:55 jordach er yes
13:56 thexyz jordach: you're using it wrong then
13:56 MiJyn finally apt is upgrading!
13:56 jordach wait what
13:56 thexyz or what do you mean by "FAT"?
13:56 Calinou he's fat
13:56 Calinou <MiJyn> and windows is so doggone slow
13:56 Calinou <MiJyn> plus impossible to develop with
13:56 Calinou <MiJyn> compared to linux, yeah
13:56 * jordach and Calinou dislike Linux for one reason: too many libraries (C)
13:57 thexyz btw, can i run cygwin's bash in powershell?
13:57 Calinou windows isn't slow, talking about drivers, and has bugless drivers with correct power saving
13:57 Calinou thexyz, try?
13:57 Calinou lol
13:57 Calinou <thexyz> developing on WINDOWS?
13:57 Calinou that's how you gain money
13:57 thexyz lol
13:57 * Calinou points to notch
13:57 thexyz no-no
13:57 * jordach also points to notch
13:57 thexyz i mean "developing"
13:57 jordach MSVC
13:57 thexyz you see that"
13:57 thexyz ?
13:57 thexyz jordach: is it free?
13:57 jordach yes
13:58 Calinou lol
13:58 jordach depends if you like fucking copyrights in the mouth
13:58 * MiJyn and nearly everyone else like Linux for many reasons: stable, fast, easy, no BSOD, everything fixable, evertyhing free, no patents, no M$, you can make your own distro for free, etc...
13:58 Calinou <thexyz> can it cat, tail, head, less, vim, wget, curl?
13:58 thexyz for developing commercial software
13:58 Calinou vim *_*
13:58 Calinou * MiJyn and nearly everyone else like Linux for many reasons: stable, fast, easy, no BSOD, everything fixable, evertyhing free, no patents, no M$, you can make your own distro for free, etc...
13:58 Calinou NEVER got a BSOD with this computer
13:58 MiJyn lol
13:58 jordach neither do i
13:58 MiJyn you will
13:58 Calinou stable... meh, except drivers
13:58 Calinou everything fixable > not the drivers
13:58 jordach the only reason why they happen is bad driver makers
13:58 Calinou "no M$" good thing though
13:58 thexyz ok, so i can freely use msvc to develop commercial software, right?
13:58 Calinou free? YAY DELETING WINDOWS
13:58 Calinou as in price
13:59 Calinou thexyz, huh
13:59 MiJyn Calinou, even the drivers
13:59 jordach and this happens with bad coders of progeams to SEE IMVU on a dell optiplex
13:59 Calinou <MiJyn> you will < no
13:59 MiJyn I fixed the drivers many times
13:59 Calinou yeah, the free drivers
13:59 Calinou horrible performance and opengl
13:59 MiJyn FGLRX
13:59 MiJyn I fixed that
13:59 thexyz isn't that express version is for educational purposes only?
13:59 Calinou MiJyn, by hacking RAM around?
14:00 thexyz Calinou: oh nice, after >15 years of development windows has no random BSODS
14:00 thexyz so sweet
14:00 thexyz does powershell support colors?
14:01 jordach probably not
14:01 Calinou -_-
14:01 thexyz oh, nice
14:01 Calinou go ahead and try to refund windows and try to install linux, you'll see
14:01 Calinou today's computers prevent linux installation, news to you?
14:01 Calinou you can't even boot a live CD
14:01 MiJyn Calinou, NO lol, I just edited the source!
14:01 Calinou tried on two computers bought in 2011
14:01 thexyz Calinou: you seems to live in different world
14:01 Calinou MiJyn, thought FGLRX was proprietary
14:01 Calinou not russia
14:01 MiJyn Calinou, yep
14:01 MiJyn it is
14:01 thexyz Calinou: what about russia there? are they euro champions?
14:01 MiJyn but you can edit the source
14:02 MiJyn easily
14:02 thexyz i can hardly find PCs where you can't install linux on
14:02 jordach actually
14:02 thexyz and, anyway, that's problem created by microsoft
14:02 jordach DELL optiplexes are known for thisx
14:02 MiJyn yeah
14:02 thexyz not by linux
14:02 Calinou not really microsoft, the manufacturers
14:02 Calinou are putting so-called "piracy" preventions
14:02 thexyz no, microsoft
14:02 Calinou also, PCs without OS === expensive
14:03 Calinou more expensive than computers with windows from my experience
14:03 thexyz do you think that manufacturers could themselves make that vendorlock?
14:03 thexyz nobody likes vendorlocks
14:03 thexyz except microsoft/apple
14:03 Calinou "you can make your own distro for free" < has bad sides
14:03 thexyz and what?
14:03 Calinou "WHAT DISTRO SHOULD I CHOOSE" question, always always
14:03 thexyz you are free not to use that distro
14:03 Calinou was easier back in 2010 obviously
14:03 MiJyn Calinou, nope
14:03 thexyz simply answer ubuntu/mint
14:03 Calinou (because ubuntu didn't suck that much)
14:03 thexyz for new users
14:03 MiJyn I wrote a tool that lets you write your own distro
14:03 * Calinou is not a new user
14:04 thexyz Calinou: really?
14:04 thexyz it seems so
14:04 Calinou no
14:04 thexyz because all console things are hard for you
14:04 thexyz oh, i forgot
14:04 VanessaE ubuntu if you're a noob, debian if you're experienced, slackware if you're a hardcore hacker, gentoo if you're a masochist
14:04 VanessaE simple. :-)
14:04 thexyz you're windows fanboy
14:04 Calinou ubuntu is for the people that cannot use a command line at all or whatever
14:04 thexyz console is not for windows
14:04 Calinou it has a command line :P
14:04 thexyz ^ fanboys
14:04 Calinou nevermind.
14:04 thexyz Calinou: can you resize it?
14:04 Calinou not really
14:04 thexyz lol
14:04 Calinou I'm not a windows fanboy
14:04 MiJyn Calinou, Ubuntu is for everyone
14:04 thexyz 2012, windows cmd.exe cannot into resizing
14:05 MiJyn and I can use a commandline (had to use it for 6 hours on-end)
14:05 Calinou if I found the same comp for 100 euros cheaper without windows I'd certainly buy it
14:05 Calinou ._.
14:05 Calinou CBA to ask refund
14:05 VanessaE build your own
14:05 thexyz Calinou: as i already said, ask for refund
14:05 VanessaE $500 or so gets you a nice decent box without windows on it
14:05 thexyz oh, yes
14:05 Calinou also: all my data
14:05 thexyz (06:05:17 PM) VanessaE: build your own <<
14:05 VanessaE (I think I paid closer to $700 for mine, including the SSD and video card)
14:05 thexyz see that
14:05 Calinou *will have to reinstall ALL the things*
14:05 Calinou surely fast with 2.4/0.4mbits connection
14:05 thexyz what do you mean?
14:05 thexyz by "all my data"?
14:06 Calinou I have a faster connection than the dudes who wrote the debian doc at least
14:06 Calinou thexyz, well, the stuff I downloaded etc... games, will have to be redownloaded
14:06 Calinou takes long
14:06 thexyz why?
14:06 VanessaE Calinou: when you use linux, these days you can just re-use the hard drive, without re-installing
14:06 VanessaE most linux installs will auto-adapt to the new hardware
14:06 thexyz can't you put your hdd in new PC?
14:06 Calinou because they are windows versions?
14:06 Calinou thexyz, I have good specs
14:06 Calinou let's not waste them
14:06 thexyz i still can't understand, what is the problem?
14:07 thexyz you don't need to delete everything
14:07 thexyz you can still use your ntfs partitions with linux
14:07 MiJyn yes
14:07 thexyz just shrink them and create tiny root partiton for linux
14:08 Calinou <thexyz> you can still use your ntfs partitions with linux
14:08 Calinou - you're limited to 4 physical partitions
14:08 Calinou - multiboot + UEFI? NEVAH
14:08 thexyz really?
14:08 thexyz i am not
14:08 Calinou well maybe this has changed
14:08 * thexyz has GPT
14:08 Calinou logical partitions are an hack
14:08 MiJyn Calinou, sure, but 4 partitions is well enough to put in 2 OSs
14:08 thexyz Calinou: read about gpt
14:08 thexyz one time more
14:08 Calinou windows + "recovery" + linux + swap... maybe
14:09 MiJyn yeah
14:09 Calinou my computer has some recovery partition for some reason
14:09 MiJyn you can always fit both
14:09 VanessaE use logical partitions?
14:09 thexyz oh, i'll even link it here
14:09 thexyz http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GUID_Partition_Table
14:09 VanessaE or whatever they call the non primary ones
14:09 Calinou also I do have a computer with linux. :P
14:09 VanessaE I forget now
14:10 Calinou <thexyz> nobody likes vendorlocks
14:10 Calinou <thexyz> except microsoft/apple
14:10 Calinou I don't even know why do they put vendorlocks, too
14:10 Calinou still annoying
14:11 VanessaE because they can?  OMG COMPETITION
14:11 thexyz VanessaE: using logical partitions is bad practice
14:11 thexyz YES, WE WON!
14:12 VanessaE thexyz: I tend to agree; I use only primary partitions because I just don't need the logical ones, but I can see an argument for using them
14:12 thexyz i think he's going to delete windows and install linux right now
14:12 MiJyn thexyz, YAY!
14:12 MiJyn xD
14:12 jordach WHO KNOWS
14:12 thexyz VanessaE: why don't you use gpt?
14:12 jordach could be windows 2000
14:12 VanessaE don't need it
14:12 thexyz why not?
14:13 VanessaE my machine has one OS using two drives and a grand total of four partitions :-)
14:13 VanessaE (three on the SSD, one on the HDD)
14:13 thexyz ok
14:13 thexyz also, mbr's max partiton size is 2.19 TB
14:13 thexyz that's already can be not enough
14:14 VanessaE that's more than I have :-)
14:14 thexyz yes, i remember that
14:15 VanessaE lesse...  60 + 500 on one box, 60 + 640 on the other, and a 1TB backup disk (since the main storage drives aren't anywhere near full yet)
14:18 VanessaE oh, and 4GB + 128MB on my Commodore 128 ;-)
14:21 VanessaE what's the spare box got...250GB?  I forget; it never gets used anyway
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15:13 whiskers75 why can other people on my server open my locked chests?
15:15 Calinou whiskers75, if they log in with your username they can - set a password
15:15 whiskers75 they are not - they are logging as seperate players
15:15 Calinou empty locked chests can be removed by anyone
15:15 whiskers75 they are not empty
15:15 FreeFull Can they actually take stuff out/put stuff in?
15:16 Calinou MOAR spam on wiki.
15:17 whiskers75 no
15:17 thexyz Calinou: of course there will be much spam
15:17 thexyz there is even no captcha
15:18 whiskers75 thexyz: Calinou: or a little "What is the current Minetest stable version?" question :)
15:18 Calinou thexyz, the cat photos thingie... but the bots are not putting external URLs
15:18 Calinou I already protected some pages from guests
15:19 thexyz Calinou: cat photos?
15:19 NakedFury stable would be 3.1
15:19 whiskers75 Calinou: thexyz: yeah../
15:19 whiskers75 ?
15:19 Calinou 0.3.1
15:19 Calinou celeron55
15:19 thexyz Calinou: try editing random pages when not logged in
15:19 Calinou stable version/the developer
15:19 Calinou thexyz, ik it works
15:19 Calinou the cat photos captcha only appears when putting external URLs
15:20 thexyz ask administrator to make it permanent
15:21 thexyz also, i think that you should better create pages like moreblocks/item_codes instead of item_codes/moreblocks
15:21 thexyz and i don't see reason to do that
15:21 thexyz except copying minecraftwiki structure
15:21 thexyz oh, i remember, you asked me for some templates
15:21 whiskers75 thexyz: what about a link from moreblocks/item_codes -> item_codes/moreblocks?
15:23 thexyz time to register then..
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15:23 whiskers75 thexyz: :)
15:23 thexyz whiskers75: i think that item_codes/moreblocks is wrong in any way
15:23 Calinou http://pastebin.com/d08kxrb0
15:23 Calinou suggestion
15:23 thexyz Calinou: agree
15:24 thexyz that "codes" thing is too minecrafty
15:24 thexyz and it makes no sense in minetest now
15:24 whiskers75 Calinou: AGREE :P
15:24 thexyz because nodes names are strings
15:24 whiskers75 not codes
15:25 Calinou kay... restructuration time
15:25 Calinou also: Mod_list for a mod list
15:25 Calinou afaik there is already a mod list, yes
15:25 Calinou http://wiki.minetest.com/wiki/Mod_list
15:25 thexyz why not make "mods" a mods list?
15:26 Calinou because
15:26 thexyz because…?
15:26 Calinou "mods" should be INFO about mods in a general way; not info about mods themselves
15:27 Calinou keep in mind: length
15:29 thexyz also
15:29 * Calinou is too lazy to restructure everything
15:29 Calinou maybe later
15:29 thexyz who is administrator?
15:29 thexyz of that wiki
15:29 thexyz is he here?
15:31 Calinou saxony is the admin/host
15:31 Calinou I'm admin too :P
15:31 Calinou he isn't here
15:32 thexyz Calinou: can you install wiki plugins?
15:32 Calinou nope, don't think so
15:32 thexyz then you aren't TRUE admin :P
15:32 thexyz could you ask him to install that thing? http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:WikiEditor
15:34 thexyz also the easiest way to create templates is to copy them from minecraft wiki
15:34 thexyz because they are licensed under CC BY-NC-SA
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15:34 Calinou oh, ok
15:34 MiJyn hi
15:35 thexyz but that's not the best way
15:35 Calinou I'm (re-)making JS animations for stair/slab :D
15:36 Calinou done!
15:37 MiJyn JS?
15:37 Calinou javascript. ._.
15:37 Calinou not je suck
15:38 MiJyn JE?
15:38 MiJyn I know javascript
15:38 MiJyn how can you make animations for minetest using JS?
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15:42 MiJyn hey LM
15:42 LandMine hi
15:42 LandMine hey i need some more help lol
15:42 LandMine how can i add another inv
15:42 LandMine for example
15:42 LandMine context;main  <-----thats one
15:42 LandMine context;main
15:43 LandMine context;main_2 <-----what i wanna make
15:43 Calinou MiJyn, "je" > "I" in french...
15:43 Calinou was a joke
15:43 Calinou LandMine, huh?
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15:43 Calinou adding another inv isn't possible AFAIK
15:43 MiJyn Calinou, OH, I get it now x
15:43 Calinou hi marktraceur
15:43 MiJyn *xD
15:44 LandMine yeah so lets say i have this
15:44 LandMine invsize[8,9;]     list[context;main;0,0;8,4;]     list[current_player;main;0,5;8,4;]
15:44 LandMine if i add another row of list[context;main
15:44 LandMine i will be the same
15:44 LandMine i want them to be different
15:44 Calinou inventory size has to be edited in C++ not lua
15:44 LandMine so i want to add list[context;main_2
15:45 LandMine its not inventory size
15:45 LandMine just wanna add another list
15:46 LandMine do you understand?
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15:52 thexyz oh, awesome
15:52 thexyz that wiki has parserfunctions disabled
15:52 thexyz NO MORE TEMPLATES FOR YOU
15:53 thexyz Calinou: ask admin to enable http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ParserFunctions
15:53 thexyz NOW!
15:54 jordach afternoon cisoun
15:54 cisoun1 wazzup
15:57 LandMine cisoun you know how to add another list type?
15:57 LandMine like current_name;main
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16:07 whiskers75 Hello, I am making some changes to the rollback mod, what is wrong wih this code? http://pastebin.com/vMxj8NyK
16:07 thexyz cast Calinou
16:08 whiskers75 cast?
16:11 whiskers75 what does cast mean, thexyz?
16:11 thexyz whiskers75: some dark magic
16:11 whiskers75 thexyz: but... why cast calinou?
16:11 thexyz that should bring Calinou there
16:12 whiskers75 oh i get it
16:20 NakedFury its the other way around
16:20 NakedFury Calinou
16:20 NakedFury Calinou
16:20 NakedFury Calinou
16:20 NakedFury beetlejuice style
16:23 cisoun1 rofl
16:23 cisoun1 Say "Beer" 3 times and I will come.
16:27 Calinou lol
16:27 Calinou thexyz, you could ask him on talk page... I'll do that
16:27 thexyz ok
16:28 Calinou done
16:34 VanessaE thexyz: 30001 needs a restart
16:35 VanessaE is that anything like saying "betelgeuse" three times? :-)
16:35 VanessaE oh yeah, you said it already
16:35 Calinou is that a french word? :c
16:35 VanessaE (see, even my brain is lagging)
16:37 marktraceur Calinou: "Betelgeuse" is the name of a star, "Beetlejuice" is a fictional character from a movie (and animated TV show) who appeared when you said his name three times. HTH
16:38 VanessaE that I think is how it was spelled on that print add the Maitlans find
16:38 VanessaE in the movie
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16:38 VanessaE s/add/ad/
16:38 marktraceur Hm
16:38 marktraceur Didn't know that
16:38 VanessaE yeah
16:38 * marktraceur hasn't seen the movie in years
16:39 VanessaE right after they disover they're dead, they're looking through something in the attic, I forget what, and a newspaper ad falls out, written on it is that spelling (3x of course), with a picture of a beetle-like caricature of the antagonist in question
16:40 VanessaE followed shortly thereafter by a TV ad, fast-talking-car-salesman style
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16:43 whiskers75 does anyone know what the Lua function is to set the time of day?
16:43 thexyz read. the. docs
16:44 whiskers75 does it say there?
16:44 whiskers75 ok, ill go check
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16:59 whiskers75 the docs say to use set_timeofday(0.5) but that does not work.
17:00 thexyz that's strange
17:00 whiskers75 minetest.set_timeofsay(0.5) fails too
17:01 whiskers75 the both fail with the error: cannot index (field or global) set_timeofday (a nil value)
17:01 thexyz that's because you should use minetest.env:set_timeofday
17:01 whiskers75 ahhhh
17:01 whiskers75 thx
17:02 whiskers75 -/faceplm
17:02 whiskers75 */facepalm
17:02 whiskers75 it works!
17:06 VanessaE thexyz: can you restart 30001 please?  it's unplayably lagged now :(
17:06 thexyz ok
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17:07 VanessaE (c55 chose the worst possible time to take a break)
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17:07 thexyz done
17:07 VanessaE thanks
17:07 thexyz i guess my server monitoring system didn't see that
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17:08 VanessaE well it was "up"
17:08 VanessaE just lagged too badly to play anymore
17:08 thexyz yes, it checks every 1 minute
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17:21 Calinou "HTH"?
17:21 whiskers75 The Dayblock Mod (https://github.com/whiskers75/minetest-dayblock) is now up and running!
17:21 VanessaE "hope That Helps
17:21 VanessaE "
17:21 Calinou whiskers75, make a forum thread too...
17:21 Calinou :P
17:21 Calinou also the command is /giveme not /giveyourself
17:22 whiskers75 Calinou: it's a pun
17:22 Calinou noone will get it
17:22 Calinou noone = the newbs
17:22 whiskers75 OK...
17:22 whiskers75 There. Happy?
17:23 Calinou yeah
17:23 Calinou :D
17:23 whiskers75 ill go make a forum thread now
17:24 whiskers75 here: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=29228
17:25 Calinou also ask a moderator to move it
17:25 Calinou erm
17:25 Calinou you have to put a PROPER description and recipes/etc before requesting move
17:25 Calinou and also: license
17:26 whiskers75 My Tictactoe mod has also been updated - your textures (calinou) have been made seethrough
17:27 whiskers75 changed post about dayblock
17:27 Calinou k...
17:27 Calinou why? :o
17:28 Calinou you mean: the blocks are now transparent?
17:40 whiskers75 yes
17:41 whiskers75 where did Calinou go?
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17:54 whiskers75 New version of Dayblock released - with night blocks now! http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=29228#p29228
17:55 VanessaE dayblock?
17:55 whiskers75 new mod
17:56 VanessaE interesting idea
17:56 VanessaE fwiw, you can also /time 6000 or /time 18000  :-)
17:56 whiskers75 useful for servers and people going "Ahh! I can't see! Make it day!"
17:57 whiskers75 it also saves typing :P
17:57 VanessaE good point
17:58 whiskers75 The textures are see-through (have transparencies) so the blocks look really cool :)
17:59 thexyz wiki is spammed again
17:59 VanessaE that didn't take long..
18:00 whiskers75 here's a pic: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/46333495/dayblock.png
18:03 whiskers75 like it?
18:03 VanessaE nice
18:04 marktraceur whiskers75: There are far better ways to host images
18:04 whiskers75 Yeah, well Dropbox was quick and I was in a hurry
18:04 VanessaE I'm glad I have a personal web space for this stuff
18:04 VanessaE unlimited bandwidth usage, unlimited storage, and cheap enough
18:04 NakedFury photobucket
18:05 * marktraceur considers setting up MediaGoblin
18:05 thexyz VanessaE: that can't be real
18:05 VanessaE well,
18:05 whiskers75 Dayblock is good for strobe lighting :) (punch day, then night.................)
18:05 VanessaE "unlimited" then.
18:05 VanessaE :-)
18:05 thexyz like "unlimited*" ?
18:05 thexyz * some shit will happen when you'll exceed our limit
18:05 * whiskers75 doesn't mind Dropbox
18:06 VanessaE well all I know is my site sources about 20 GB/month and they haven't complained :-)
18:06 VanessaE (yeah yeah, low end, etc)
18:06 whiskers75 Dropbox is great for servers. (the handy "Restore previous versions" feature")
18:06 VanessaE of course since I moved my texture packs off to github, that number has dropped by now I'm sure
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18:07 whiskers75 cisoun1: what happened to cisoun?
18:07 NakedFury died
18:07 jordach that is him
18:07 cisoun1 I killed him
18:08 whiskers75 I *know* but *why* is he logged in as cisoun1?
18:08 cisoun1 I don't know, Pidgin has maybe smoked too much pot
18:08 cisoun1 let me see
18:08 VanessaE a lot of irc clients give you 2 or 3 alternate nicknames
18:08 whiskers75 ah.
18:08 cisoun1 Pidgin tells me that "cisoun" is already taken here but I don't see it
18:09 cisoun1 dafuq pidgin
18:09 whiskers75 cisoun1: use ubuntu?
18:09 VanessaE * [cisoun] (~cisoun@231-105.5-85.cust.bluewin.ch): Cyriaque Skrapits
18:09 VanessaE * [cisoun] adams.freenode.net :Budapest, HU, EU
18:09 VanessaE * [cisoun] is using a secure connection
18:09 VanessaE * [cisoun] End of WHOIS list.
18:09 cisoun1 archlinux
18:09 whiskers75 ah
18:09 cisoun1 !whois cisoun
18:10 MiJyn /whois cisoun
18:10 cisoun1 im so dumb...
18:10 whiskers75 i am on ubuntu 12.04, using irssi (STILL haven't got the hang of the channel switcher)
18:11 cisoun1 Where the f... did he take my real name...
18:12 whiskers75 maybe he IS you
18:12 whiskers75 just still logged in
18:12 whiskers75 you can try rebooting
18:12 VanessaE you didn't regisyer cisoun?
18:12 VanessaE register*
18:12 cisoun1 oh pidgin y u so silly
18:12 whiskers75 how do u register...........................................?
18:12 whiskers75 'cos I haven't
18:13 whiskers75 :0
18:13 cisoun1 i don't see any cisoun out here
18:13 VanessaE cisoun1: use /whois
18:13 cisoun1 whois cisoun works for me
18:13 VanessaE a person can be on a server without being in a channel after all :-)
18:13 marktraceur cisoun1: /msg NickServ ghost <username> <password>
18:13 thexyz yes
18:13 thexyz just wanted to say same
18:13 cisoun1 DAMMIT GNOME 3
18:13 marktraceur cisoun1: It logs out other sessions
18:14 cisoun1 EMPATHY U SILLY MOFO
18:14 thexyz lol
18:14 thexyz use mate
18:14 VanessaE haha
18:14 VanessaE xchat ftw :-)
18:14 whiskers75 no, irssi! (can someone tell me how to change acts?)
18:14 cisoun1 I will never leave pidgin and I hate the history system of empathy
18:15 whiskers75 (I'm not making a good Irssi impression here..)
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18:15 thexyz lol
18:16 * thexyz enters Calinou mode
18:16 thexyz lolirssi
18:16 cisoun1 well, empathy doesn't want to show up
18:16 cisoun1 dafuq dude
18:16 thexyz u want to show ur skilz
18:16 * thexyz leaves Calinou mode
18:16 whiskers75 i found out!
18:16 whiskers75 its /window
18:16 cisoun1 f... yeah
18:17 whiskers75 ooh cisoun1... quick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
18:17 whiskers75 YAY!!!!!!!!
18:17 cisoun Sup bitcheez
18:17 whiskers75 * /msg NickServ ghost (username) (pass) didn't work for me
18:17 whiskers75 i got whiskers75 is not a registered nick
18:18 thexyz whiskers75: register it then
18:18 whiskers75 thexyz:*how*?
18:18 thexyz READ.THE.DOCS!!
18:19 whiskers75 docs?
18:19 thexyz http://freenode.net/faq.shtml
18:19 thexyz yes, docs
18:19 whiskers75 OH
18:19 thexyz http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup
18:22 whiskers75 done!
18:22 whiskers75 cisoun: hav you registered?
18:23 cisoun nope
18:23 cisoun I'll think about it
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18:27 whiskers75 you should - if anyone uses /umode +R you'll be filtered out as unregistered
18:27 whiskers75 bye folks
18:28 MESEPlaying Anyone know a bug in game? When on 1 computer, 1 minetest works, but with 2, 1 works, the other crashes. Know that from 0.3?
18:31 MESEPlaying q66
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18:40 whiskers75 cisoun: registered?
18:41 * whiskers75 is wondering where Calinou went
18:42 NakedFury spam him with pings
18:47 cisoun nope
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19:49 Calinou http://wiki.minetest.com/wiki/Special:RecentChanges
19:49 Calinou AGAIN
19:49 Calinou FUCKING
19:49 Calinou SPAM
19:49 thexyz again
19:50 Calinou blocked & undo-d
19:50 thexyz make your MASTER to install antispam
19:50 Calinou he has
19:50 thexyz that's wrong antispam
19:50 Calinou I'd just tell him to disable guest edits imo
19:50 thexyz it doesn't prevent spam
19:50 thexyz no
19:50 thexyz just make it display captcha on any edit
19:50 Calinou the antispam is used to prevent account creation
19:50 thexyz that will be enough
19:50 Calinou any edit? just no
19:50 thexyz that's wrong antispam then
19:50 Calinou the antispam is pretty efficient
19:50 thexyz lol
19:50 Calinou but it is not triggered on guest edits
19:50 thexyz better to disable any edits?
19:50 Calinou -_-
19:50 thexyz that's how it should work
19:50 Calinou the antispam is triggered on account creation
19:51 Calinou that's why no bot creates an account
19:51 thexyz maybe, hide captcha after 1 successful edit
19:51 thexyz that's WRONG antispam then
19:51 thexyz as i already said
19:51 thexyz it should prevent bots
19:51 thexyz it doesn't
19:52 Calinou <thexyz> maybe, hide captcha after 1 successful edit
19:52 Calinou code it
19:52 Calinou well nevermind
19:52 Calinou I'd just disable guest edits imo
19:52 thexyz google is your friend
19:52 Calinou 99% of them are idiots
19:52 thexyz that's bad
19:52 Calinou why?
19:52 Calinou people should lrn2account
19:53 thexyz because some people (like marktraceur i think) don't like creating new accounts
19:53 Calinou or yes, the antispam should be triggered for every guest edit
19:53 thexyz so captcha-that-hides-after-successful-edit is the saniest solution
19:53 thexyz or every 5 edits
19:53 thexyz i think mediawiki should has some extensions for that
19:53 Calinou again I'm no real admin :(
19:54 thexyz i know, that's bad
19:54 thexyz when you has no control on thing
19:54 thexyz and creator of that thing does not care
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19:54 thexyz umm… who said "minetest"?
19:54 Calinou huh
19:56 mrdragons Woot, just picked up a nice cheap vps, will be setting up a server. :D
19:56 marktraceur thexyz: /me doesn't mind creating accounts, it's creating accounts with non-free software that worries me more
19:56 thexyz mrdragons: what hoster?
19:57 mrdragons "dollarvps.com", I know the guy that hosts them
19:57 thexyz lol
19:57 thexyz Not Found
19:57 thexyz The requested URL /sharedhosting.php was not found on this server.
19:57 mrdragons Yeah lol
19:57 Calinou mrdragons> Woot, just picked up a nice cheap vps, will be setting up a server. :D
19:58 Calinou inb4 fucktons and griefing and noone connects
19:58 Calinou marktraceur> thexyz: /me doesn't mind creating accounts, it's creating accounts with non-free software that worries me more
19:58 Calinou mediawiki is proprietary?
19:58 Calinou why does wikipedia use it then, if they want to be free?
19:58 thexyz it isnt
19:58 marktraceur Calinou: No, I was only responding to thexyz's comment
19:58 Calinou k
19:58 thexyz but, still
19:58 thexyz don't like to create new accounts
19:59 marktraceur (though it's interesting to note that the Wikimedia Foundation, however good their ultimate goal is, uses many non-free tools)
19:59 thexyz marktraceur: OH HOW AWFUL!
19:59 marktraceur thexyz: Not awful, just suboptimal
19:59 marktraceur The important thing is that the product is free
20:00 thexyz mrdragons: that prices are too low
20:00 marktraceur If the tools are, that's a bonus, but not the priority
20:00 thexyz i don't trust them =(
20:00 mrdragons thexyz: Meh, okay then. :P
20:01 thexyz marktraceur: does he has any reviews?
20:02 marktraceur thexyz: Who? Of what?
20:02 thexyz oops
20:02 thexyz mrdragons:
20:03 thexyz mmm
20:03 thexyz > Creation Date: 22-apr-2012
20:03 marktraceur Guh, nasty.
20:03 mrdragons Sort of, they used to be hosted under another domain, but he split from it because he wanted to manage them himself
20:04 Calinou thexyz, beat you to it
20:04 Calinou account creation date on MT wiki for me: 2012-04-13
20:04 Calinou (if you were talking about MT wiki)
20:04 thexyz Calinou: about 1 dollar vps
20:04 marktraceur Calinou: registration records for this VPS service, methinks
20:04 thexyz not wiki
20:04 Calinou ooh
20:04 Calinou 1dollar vps... impossible
20:04 thexyz also, unrelated, marktraceur do you know any free p2p video streaming software?
20:05 thexyz something like sopcast
20:05 Calinou -_-
20:05 marktraceur thexyz: I just torrent, it's easiest
20:05 * Calinou joins #freenode
20:05 Calinou "hi, we have some guy that likes movies in #minetest, please talk with him"
20:05 thexyz marktraceur: do you also torrent online sports matches?
20:05 Calinou "also this channel is illegal and should be renamed ################minetest."
20:05 Calinou "thank you"
20:05 thexyz of course
20:06 marktraceur thexyz: I've had little interest in such things, but I suppose it might be possible
20:06 thexyz like any other channel
20:06 thexyz 95% of discussion is not about subject
20:07 thexyz Calinou: what's wrong with movies?
20:07 Calinou nothing :P
20:07 Calinou joke :)
20:07 marktraceur thexyz: With sports things, the problem is that the content is exclusively distributed to only a few sources
20:07 thexyz i think i prefer anime
20:07 jordach well here disscusion is never on topic
20:08 Calinou lmao
20:08 thexyz marktraceur: yes, but who cares?
20:08 Calinou hi jordach
20:08 jordach so, youve stopped ignoring me then
20:08 marktraceur thexyz: Your best bet would be to contact them and have them stream in, e.g., OGG formats
20:08 Calinou lol
20:08 thexyz marktraceur: contact who?
20:08 jordach marktraceur, movies should come in .ogv
20:08 Calinou marktraceur, you mean OGV :P
20:08 Calinou noone uses ogv :(
20:08 marktraceur thexyz: Whoever distributes the stuff
20:08 jordach because .avi works
20:08 Calinou dunno why; is it too heavy in size? or bad quality?
20:09 thexyz marktraceur: ok, how should i contact euro2012 staff?
20:09 jordach .avi is a container for video
20:09 thexyz HEY GUYZ!
20:09 Calinou lool
20:09 thexyz wouldn't you like to stream matches for free?
20:09 thexyz OH, WHY NO?
20:09 marktraceur jordach, Calinou, AFAIK OGV is just "OGG Video"; most people tend not to support it out of ignorance or lack of knowing how
20:09 Calinou <thexyz> wouldn't you like to stream matches for free?
20:09 Calinou - torrenting sucks
20:09 Calinou - surely legal
20:09 marktraceur thexyz: I'm sure they have an office or fifty, call one of them
20:09 Calinou - just watch the TV
20:09 Calinou - succer socks
20:10 thexyz Calinou: russian television sucks
20:10 thexyz 99% of time
20:10 thexyz so TV is useless
20:10 jordach except late at night ZOOM ZOOM
20:10 jordach :D
20:10 marktraceur Present the case for free formats, ask them to provide nice streaming video
20:10 thexyz btw, i was talking about p2p streaming
20:10 Calinou <marktraceur> Present the case for free formats, ask them to provide nice streaming video
20:10 marktraceur Oh right
20:10 Calinou *** director has joined #minetest
20:11 Calinou <director> whats a free format???????????
20:11 Calinou <director> anyone? :(
20:11 thexyz currently most of people just restream TV
20:11 Calinou *** director has left #minetest
20:11 Calinou thexyz, resulting in even worse quality :P
20:11 thexyz no
20:11 marktraceur Calinou: Do you actually talk, or have your alters all taken over?
20:11 thexyz 720p, i guess
20:12 Calinou I actually talk.
20:12 marktraceur thexyz: I haven't seen anything like that, maybe not looking hard enough
20:12 thexyz the worst thing is that sopcast bans unlicensed channels from time to time
20:12 thexyz usually during match
20:13 thexyz then you still can watch that channel (because it is p2p) untill reconnect
20:13 Calinou p2p: "hey, don't limit your upload to 0 kb/sec, but I can't tell him"
20:13 thexyz esp-ita 2-0, if anybody cares
20:13 * Calinou does not care
20:14 thexyz Calinou: why would somebody limit their upload?
20:15 Calinou because, faster download
20:15 VanessaE if you don't, depending on your OS, you'll find yourself without enough upstream left to do anything useful otherwise
20:15 Calinou if you upload, torrenting is slower than direct download
20:15 thexyz oh
20:15 Calinou what does this have to do with the OS?
20:15 VanessaE Calinou: because I could see the argument where one OS has better QoS than another
20:15 Calinou inb4 linux
20:15 VanessaE no, not really
20:15 VanessaE in fact linux sucks in that regard
20:16 VanessaE torrent will totally flood your upstream if you don't throttle it at the client
20:16 thexyz i guess that's called symmetric channel?
20:16 marktraceur Calinou: Linux was in by 1991, you're 21 years too slow
20:16 VanessaE symmetric, unless I miss your definition, means the same bandwidth up and down.
20:17 thexyz maybe i am wrong then
20:17 Calinou marktraceur, thought it was 1997... hmm
20:18 marktraceur December 1991 was the first public release, IIRC
20:24 mrdragons Slackware's been around since 93 I think
20:28 marktraceur Calinou: And Linus Torvalds, saying "inb4 GNU" in 1991, would have been 8 years too slow. Just saying.
20:28 mrdragons Unless he was talking about hurd. ;)
20:28 marktraceur mrdragons: Well, the GNU project :)
20:28 Calinou lol
20:28 Calinou and... richard stallman saying "inb4 computer" would be several decades too slow
20:29 marktraceur Very true
20:30 Calinou spain 3-0 italy
20:30 Calinou o_o
20:30 thexyz yes
20:30 thexyz but, remember, you don't care
20:30 Calinou ik
20:31 marktraceur Though I can't see why RMS would want to preempt discussions of computers, being a programmer
20:31 thexyz russia - greece was a funny match
20:31 thexyz i read that now english has one more verb
20:31 thexyz "to kerzhakov"
20:32 jordach night all
20:32 thexyz 4-0
20:32 thexyz lol
20:51 * VanessaE watches 30001 crash and burn
20:51 thexyz crash?
20:51 VanessaE go try to sign on (remotely) :-)
20:51 thexyz it still has 100% uptime
20:58 MiJyn yo
21:07 VanessaE hey
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21:12 MiJyn http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WR2PHbvS3GQ
21:22 thexyz so ontopic
21:22 thexyz as everything else
21:23 thexyz btw, first song seems to be quite nice
21:23 thexyz if that can be called song, of course
21:39 VanessaE thexyz: server's b0rk3d again :-/
21:40 MiJyn thexyz, yep
21:40 MiJyn thexyz, if you ended it (like I imagine you did), at least listen to Tristam's I remember. That one is awesome :D
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21:53 thexyz also
21:53 thexyz shouldn't "3D Forniture" mod be named "3D Furniture"?
21:54 VanessaE language issue
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22:30 thexyz oh, nice, now stresstest is the only server that has 100% uptime ^^
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22:34 MiJyn lol
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