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12:44 IhrFussel He doesn't learn https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=345872#p345872
12:45 IhrFussel Still claiming that clients can access any item they want...well yes they can IF your inventory mods are missing player action checks
12:53 jas_ hi IhrFussel
12:56 IhrFussel Hello jas_
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13:29 IhrFussel Does on_place() require returning an itemstack if I want to cancel it?
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13:30 jas_ Shall place item and return the leftover itemstack."
13:31 jas_ https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L5886
13:31 jas_ so yes, it needs to return an itemstack
13:32 jas_ whether it actually places the item is up to you; by default it runs minetest.item_place, but not necessarily
13:32 IhrFussel Hm...cause I see code that only uses 'return' and it seems to work
13:32 jas_ hm, ok, well i am just guessing, based on the text there.
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13:32 IhrFussel It's inside a register_craftitem() if that makes a difference
13:32 jas_ i don't think it makes a difference
13:33 jas_ i would try right now but am watching fifth wave and eating pizza
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13:34 IhrFussel Well I see if pointed_thing.type ~= "node" then return end
13:34 jas_ (then ice cream, i have a plan.)
13:34 jas_ https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L5812
13:34 jas_ tool/craftitem/node
13:35 IhrFussel Just 'return' seems to behave the same as 'return itemstack'
13:35 jas_ oh, interesting
13:35 IhrFussel Cause nothing is lost when I try placing it in air for example
13:36 jas_ makes sense, i guess, per this wording: "shall return itemstack"
13:36 jas_ i'm also drinking a guiness
13:36 IhrFussel Maybe they mean 'if you want to handle the taking manually it needs to return an itemstack'
13:37 IhrFussel Like 'itemstack:take_item() return itemstack'
13:37 jas_ i wonder what happens if you return true/false/nil -- i prolly tried before, don't recall now
13:37 jas_ i recently quit smoking, and am packing on the weight
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15:38 sofar rubenwardy: if you have a sec, can you change the contentdb owner for pixel perfection to tacotexmex?
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17:20 Fixer \\o
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17:50 Fixer "In the Minecraft: PE application, all chunks are stored in Mojang’s fork of LevelDB (a ZLib compressed LevelDB database"
17:50 Fixer interesting.png
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17:51 tenplus1 hi folks :)
17:52 twoelk o/
17:52 Fixer \\o
17:52 tenplus1 hey twoelk o/ fixer \o
17:52 tenplus1 what's new ?
17:52 twoelk winter was back but left again  :D
17:52 Fixer ....
17:52 tenplus1 snuck in there for a bit huh ?
17:53 * twoelk seems a day late
17:54 tenplus1 I updated my Os to Kubuntu 19.04 (daily) running linux kernel 5.0 and Minetest 5.0 stable :) is niiiiiiiiice!
17:54 twoelk stable? are you sure?
17:55 tenplus1 very much so
17:55 tenplus1 am even using open-source noveau for mynvidia gfx and it's pretty good
17:56 twoelk I seem to get random crashes but might be simply that the minimum requirements of minetest have gone up a wee bit
17:57 jas_ i think i'm gonna be sick
17:57 tenplus1 hi jas
17:57 * jas_ moans
17:57 tenplus1 twoelk: I can run my desktop and minetest 5 and it only uses around 600mb total
17:57 jas_ i ate so much.  hi tenplus1
17:57 tenplus1 what did you nom ?
17:57 * twoelk had been sick last week
17:58 jas_ pizza, and beer, and ice cream, and i just downed a bunch of milk.  mmm, milk.
17:58 jas_ oh and chicks and cheese dip.  oh god what have i done
17:58 twoelk tried something heavier tenplus1
17:58 tenplus1 ooh, sounds like it's curdling in your tummy :P
17:58 tenplus1 what did you run twoelk?
17:59 twoelk beer+icecream+milk sounds like a bubbly connection to mix and shakewell before ... PURP
17:59 tenplus1 if you added that to a fgood mod the player would quickly spew right after :P
18:00 twoelk dreambuilder, bogart, mymillionsofflowers and such :D
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18:00 tenplus1 hi Unarelith
18:01 Unarelith hi 10+1 o/
18:01 tenplus1 so far Xanadu (standalone) runs fine in 5.0, had to tweak horse so player doesnt float above it :D
18:01 twoelk tried to study plant spawning, so flew around a lot
18:02 tenplus1 I may tweak Farming Redo so that each crop has it's own rarety value
18:03 tenplus1 if only there was a way to change decoration values in-game and regenerate the same area for testing
18:04 twoelk might be interesting if you had different crops to provide similar resources but according to biome
18:05 tenplus1 it sorta does, bamboo = (wood, paper), papyrus = (wood, paper, sugar), hemp = (wood, paper, string, oil) :P
18:05 tenplus1 although it could use some tweaking... ideas welcome twoelk :P
18:05 twoelk so barley in cold places, wheat in dry places and rice in warm and wet places all provide flour or along them lines
18:06 tenplus1 yeah the granary bread can be made from all 3 :) but not as nutritious as wheat bread
18:07 twoelk I would keep the same nutrition but differ the harvest yeald according to biome
18:07 tenplus1 even the snow biome has firethorn bushels in Ethereal that can be made into a jelly when prepared
18:09 twoelk yeah every biome should offer something, even though resources in some biomes would be rarer in generall - a desert simply is a desert
18:10 tenplus1 cactus pulp made into juice, nasty but nutritious :D
18:11 twoelk so have you extended your alcoholic effects to toxic effects yet?
18:12 twoelk I wonder if distorting the view with a color overlay after eating some shrooms would work
18:12 tenplus1 when you drink/eat 4x alcoholic drinks from wine mod it changes your hunger bar to green, makes you stagger for 60 seconds and prints a messag e:) players find it fun
18:12 tenplus1 that would be a fun addition also :)
18:13 tenplus1 https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=8494&hilit=xanadu&start=3525#p345876
18:14 twoelk https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=13642&p=344600#p344600
18:14 tenplus1 5.0 lets you adjust fog levels, so going blind in a sense would work
18:15 twoelk ooh moonlighting with consquences - cool
18:15 tenplus1 heh, only used {alcohol=1} cause it's the only effect :) and easy to remember
18:16 tenplus1 we really need player:set_velocity player:set_acceleration to be able to do most of thos eeffects
18:16 tenplus1 but thankfully player knockback on playerplus mod will work fine now on 5.0 since the detach bug is fixed
18:17 twoelk trying to jump a block or go up stairs could be translated to stagering back a few steps
18:18 tenplus1 yeh, or slowing player down on purpose  and lack of jumping ability :D
18:18 tenplus1 ehehehe
18:19 benrob0329 Hello tenplus1
18:19 tenplus1 good news, the lucky block "Pint Sized Player" works a lot better in 5.0 :) midget sized players
18:19 tenplus1 hi benrob o///
18:20 tenplus1 and we can now change player collisionbox, so walking into 1x1 spaces will work :D yuay
18:20 twoelk blockmens adventuretest had spiders that sort of immobilezed the player for some time - enough to let me starve often after beating spiders
18:21 tenplus1 that's a good idea, have a specific spider in mobs redo poison the player and if POVA or player_monoids active immobalize them
18:21 twoelk hm, so letting the player crawl on all fours should be possible now as effect  :o
18:21 tenplus1 yeh :) just need a model for that... would be handy for flying/swimming
18:27 tenplus1 the player model could do with some additional effects :D
18:27 tenplus1 animations
18:29 twoelk I was quite surprised how popular the avatar dance moves became in WoW
18:29 tenplus1 ehehe, give it time and someone will do a player dance contest
18:30 tenplus1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEz8dlR9H3I
18:30 twoelk lol, beenthere, donethat, didntgettheprize
18:34 tenplus1 :P
18:34 twoelk someone did let sam dance in a minecart in mt once - just can't find the link
18:36 tenplus1 lol, never seen that one :D
18:43 tenplus1 all the ideas for 5.1 :P heh
18:48 * tenplus1 wonders if the mapgen layers are in 5.0 as yet ?!"?!
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18:55 tenplus1 hi ssieb
18:55 ssieb hi
18:55 tenplus1 :P
18:56 twoelk hrmpf, crashed bogart again
18:56 tenplus1 bogart ?
18:57 twoelk the mt-game
18:57 tenplus1 ahh, dont think I've tried that one... what crashed (mod) ?
18:57 twoelk https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=21712
18:58 twoelk seems I lack memory :P
18:58 tenplus1 oom error ?
18:58 twoelk sort of
18:58 tenplus1 how much memory you got ?
18:59 twoelk but there are quite a few games I still want to test with mt5
18:59 twoelk 4gb ram or thereabouts
19:00 tenplus1 that's more than enough I would imagine
19:00 twoelk but win32
19:00 tenplus1 win 7 ?
19:00 twoelk no win 10 on 32bitsystem
19:00 tenplus1 ahhh, gotcha...
19:01 tenplus1 many things you can disable in w10 to save ram that may help
19:02 twoelk office machine, so I rather not change much - maybe minetest doesn't like runing from a portable hdd as much anymore
19:03 tenplus1 shouldnt make a difference, just slower load times
19:03 twoelk running from usb stick worked better in the past iirc
19:05 tenplus1 am wondering if I should keep 0.4.17 versions of my mods or switch them over to 5.0 ?!?!
19:08 twoelk definitly keep some copies in a safe place
19:08 tenplus1 yeah, I do want to implement some newer features into them though, and of course the new biomes into Ethereal
19:09 twoelk might also be usefull for debuging
19:10 tenplus1 I really like notabug.org :P
19:10 * twoelk prepares to drive home
19:10 tenplus1 o/ safe journey
19:12 twoelk snow's all gone so should be easier than yesterday
19:12 tenplus1 *shiver* sounds cold
19:19 tenplus1 coffee time, laters all o/
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19:29 twoelk bye
19:29 twoelk o/
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19:50 kaeza whoami
19:50 kaeza k
19:50 kaeza Client keeps disconnecting for reasons.
19:51 * kaeza considers installing some IRC client under Termux.
19:52 kaeza Any recommendations?
20:01 luk3yx If you have a physical keyboard, WeeChat.
20:02 benrob0329 If you don't, there are other front ends for it
20:03 kaeza I think I've seen one in F-Droid.
20:03 kaeza WeeChat frontend I mean.
20:04 kaeza https://f-droid.org/app/com.ubergeek42.WeechatAndroid
20:05 kaeza USB keyboard seems to be broken :(
20:11 rubenwardy Quassel is objectively the best
20:11 rubenwardy :D
20:13 luk3yx You could install WeeChat (or probably Quassel) onto a server and set the relay module up, then connect WeeChat Android to that.
20:14 luk3yx You could install WeeChat (or probably Quassel) onto a server and set the relay module up, then connect WeeChat Android to that.
20:20 Calinou the Quasseldroid app is much better now
20:20 Calinou it's probably worth trying Quassel :) the desktop client is still nice too
20:21 rubenwardy I'm a patron of the Quasseldroid dev
20:21 rubenwardy she's awesome
20:21 rubenwardy #quasseldroid
20:21 rubenwardy Quassel is modern IRC
20:22 rubenwardy your messages are stored on a server - called a quassel-core
20:22 rubenwardy then clients request messages from the server
20:22 rubenwardy it means that all clients have consistent unlimited scrollback
20:22 rubenwardy unlike with ZNC
20:23 rubenwardy fun fact: the people who make IrcCloud used to Quassel contributors
20:23 rubenwardy so IrcCloud is basically a proprietary Quassel :)
20:28 sofar quassel is awesome
20:28 sofar and, it's in clearlinux too :)
20:28 rubenwardy what is clearlinux
20:28 rubenwardy someone keeps mentioning
20:28 rubenwardy it
20:28 VanessaE bah.  znc + hexchat or gtfo :)
20:29 rubenwardy ZNC really sucks with multiple clients
20:29 sofar quassel does a lot better with backlog
20:29 rubenwardy ^
20:29 sofar plus mobile phone client that works
20:29 rubenwardy yes
20:29 rubenwardy Quasseldroid is the only IRC Android client that I like
20:29 rubenwardy except IRCCloud, but: proprietary
20:31 IcyDiamond Pfft peasants, weechat ftw :)
20:31 kaeza Hmm, no Quassel core under Termux :/
20:32 kaeza The WeeChat version there also send to be quite old (?)
20:32 kaeza Seems*
20:33 kaeza Bah, staying with this POC it is.
20:40 Calinou rubenwardy: Clear Linux is a Linux distribution developed by Intel, it drops support for old hardware to build better-performing packages
20:40 Calinou the difference is small, but it's there
20:40 Calinou (Phoronix benchmarks it regularly)
20:42 sofar Calinou: he knows :)
20:42 sofar the sarcasm is currently being mopped up
20:43 rubenwardy it's like that fortnite thing, never quite got it
20:43 rubenwardy is it twice a week or every two weeks?
20:43 rubenwardy no one knows
20:43 Calinou heh
20:44 Calinou sorry, I don't always understand sarcasm over text
20:44 sofar yeah, right
20:51 rubenwardy TIL there's an XKCD IRC channel
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21:34 jas_ Longtime ago
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21:55 * rubenwardy braces himself for bad food regulation, Scottish independence, the reunification of Ireland, privatisation of the NHS, "religious freedom", removal of anti-discrimination laws, more austerity
22:01 sofar and global warming
22:01 Fixer you will like that warming
22:01 Fixer don't youuuu
22:02 sofar honestly I loved having the snow around
22:02 sofar but global warming creates extreme weather so there is a larger chance of heavy snowfall
22:03 sofar but yeah, summer is going to suck if we're stuck in forest fire smoke for 2+ months each year and summer temperatures go from unbearable to thebeariscoockedable
22:10 * xerox123 high fives rubenwardy
22:19 Fixer my summers sucked before it went mainstream
22:19 Fixer i will miss snow :(
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22:19 Fixer it was already too little of it
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23:12 paramat Emerald2 "what would be really helpful is to have a basic lua mapgen" see https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=19836
23:13 * red-045 checks time till brexit
23:14 Emerald2 Hey paramat!
23:16 IhrFussel Brexit might not even happen anymore, but who knows if they think they can handle a no-deal one
23:25 Emerald2 Thanks paramat. Funny, sofar linked me to that code yesterday. :)

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