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TommyTreasure |
is there a parameter i need to change to allow 5.0.x clients to connect to my 04.17.1 server? |
| 00:49 |
GreenDimond |
No |
| 00:49 |
GreenDimond |
Neither are compatible |
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TommyTreasure |
gotcha! |
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TommyTreasure |
so either or, not both |
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paramat |
IhrFussel if a feature request doesn't progress it's because no-one writes a PR or the request is disapproved for good reason. it's not lack of care, don't portray it as malice or incompetence. no feature request is ignored, we look at every one |
| 09:06 |
paramat |
if you want more development pay us all full time wages |
| 09:07 |
paramat |
if a feature request is denied it is for good reason, disapprovals are inevitable |
| 09:09 |
paramat |
we're very much driven by what server owners want |
| 09:10 |
paramat |
and what players want |
| 09:11 |
paramat |
you write so much negative nonsense sometimes =) |
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IhrFussel |
find_node_near() doesn't work as expected |
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IhrFussel |
I expected it to find the NEAREST node from pos |
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IhrFussel |
And not any nearest starting from mapblock corner |
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IhrFussel |
The forum got a bug it seems |
| 12:52 |
IhrFussel |
Session bug... sometimes when I'm clearly logged out I still see board pages as logged in until I refresh |
| 12:53 |
IhrFussel |
It can even happen after hours |
| 12:53 |
sfan5 |
browser caching? |
| 12:53 |
IhrFussel |
And after closing & reopening my browser |
| 12:54 |
IhrFussel |
I actually shutdown my PC since I logged out and just saw the board index as 'IhrFussel [Logout]' |
| 12:55 |
IhrFussel |
Could be cache...firefox keeps pages in cache it shouldn't then |
| 13:17 |
IhrFussel |
I just read the IRC logs |
| 13:19 |
IhrFussel |
!tell paramat What I say is no nonsense at all... I said IF you acre about every feature request you should SHOW it more... but it's a fact that barely any feature request receives some feedback from core devs... you could at least add a comment stating your opinion or reaction but often all you do is adding the appropriate labels and that's it... that doesn't tell me as user that you actually care about my |
| 13:19 |
MinetestBot |
IhrFussel: yeah, sure, whatever |
| 13:19 |
IhrFussel |
request |
| 13:21 |
IhrFussel |
Agreeing/approving is another thing |
| 13:23 |
IhrFussel |
Swinging the 'pay us' hammer isn't going to help you either with this argument ... either you work on this project with passion and because you want to help to improve the game or not |
| 13:24 |
IhrFussel |
I'm not expecting anyone to work fulltime on MT I didn't even mention 'work more' I said maybe restructure your dev time |
| 13:28 |
Sokomine |
where did krocks mod search page move to? i need it to find my own threads |
| 13:30 |
twoelk |
https://krock-works.uk.to/minetest/modSearch.php |
| 13:30 |
Sokomine |
IhrFussel: i'm afraid that's a problem of time available. even though as much as anyone might wish, i'm afraid there's just too much to actually care high about each individual issue |
| 13:30 |
Sokomine |
twoelk: thanks! |
| 13:32 |
IhrFussel |
Sorry I don't buy that excuse... usually max 3 issues/requests are added per day... it would take maybe 5 minutes to express your opinion on them ... and 'restructuring dev time' means take a few minutes from elsewhere and add it to request reviewing |
| 13:34 |
IhrFussel |
I even said adding a simple 'reaction icon' might be enough if you don't have a few minutes for typing 1 or 2 sentences that explain why you think it's a good/bad idea |
| 13:34 |
* twoelk |
still thinks IhrFussel could tone down his fedup with the devs not listening attitude to a somewhat more civilized level |
| 13:35 |
IhrFussel |
I'm not even agressive right now...what am I supposed to write? |
| 13:35 |
IhrFussel |
aggressive* |
| 13:36 |
BakerPrime |
Really silly question.. Running 0.4.17.1 here, and when I startup a new local world, the sky doesn't seem to be working, where do I look to fix that? (I'm on Linux) |
| 13:37 |
twoelk |
maybe the clouds have been turned off? |
| 13:38 |
IhrFussel |
I'm not a native English speaker so the words I use to express my emotions might not always be the most appropriate ones... I don't use any direct insults though |
| 13:39 |
BakerPrime |
twoelk: I'll try. |
| 13:40 |
BakerPrime |
It is modded, and has Skybox. But the skybox mod is working fine on every world except this one... And I have tried disabling it to see if that works. |
| 13:40 |
BakerPrime |
But it didn't fix it. |
| 13:40 |
BakerPrime |
So I suspect it isn't Skybox. |
| 13:40 |
twoelk |
da hab ich jetzt aber keine lust zu dir die gegenbeweise rauszusuchen, der tonfall wirkt aber schon sehr oft ziemlich persöhnlich |
| 13:40 |
BakerPrime |
The debug says that it can't find the sky_x_pos or the sky_y_pos or whatever. |
| 13:41 |
IhrFussel |
Whether or not you take something personal is subjective I'd say |
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BakerPrime |
twoelk: Disabling 3d clouds didn't seem to help. It says something about not being able to find sky_pos_y.png and sky_pos_x.png etc. |
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twoelk |
BakerPrime: you had the skybox mod deactivated? only one world is missing it? - study that worldfolder and the settings files within |
| 14:12 |
atorian37 |
o/ I copied a World from server 0.4.17.1 to 5.0.0 to check whats not working on the new version. By now, it seems the traders mod from Sokomine where the traders are flying instead of standing on the ground. I made a git pull and there have been some chenages but its still the same. Any ideas? |
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atorian37 |
---> sorry correction, I was wrong: the old server is 0.4.16 |
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| 14:17 |
twoelk |
yay https://wiki.minetest.net/List_of_Games should be up to date now |
| 14:46 |
Calinou |
IhrFussel: in open source projects, people work on what they want to work on. It doesn't work like a RTS where you tell 10 people to build a school and 10 other people to work in a farm :) |
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IhrFussel |
Calinou, If you work on things nobody wants you to work on then you simply act ignorant |
| 15:36 |
IhrFussel |
Not saying nobody from the community wanted the stuff, but many wanted other things instead |
| 15:37 |
IhrFussel |
You don't actually help the community then so don't expect them to thank you |
| 15:38 |
IhrFussel |
Do you expect people to thank you for doing things nobody asked for? |
| 15:38 |
twoelk |
sigh |
| 15:40 |
IhrFussel |
I'm not saying you are not allowed to work only on things you like... but when you do it's like you did nothing to the people who wanted you to work on other things |
| 15:41 |
IhrFussel |
And asking for thanks or even money for such a task is more than rude IMO |
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| 15:46 |
twoelk |
well <as is> is <as is> and doesn't include any rights for extra flavor, you got to go with whatever is given away for free |
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| 15:55 |
IhrFussel |
My connection had problems |
| 15:55 |
IhrFussel |
I never tried to change the dev's minds ... I suggested to restructure the dev process ... everything else was kinda provoked by saying 'you act like such a good server owner and didn't even help bug testing' |
| 15:57 |
IhrFussel |
That's where I said that I'm not really interested much in testing things I didn't ask for as bugfixes/features |
| 15:58 |
IhrFussel |
I appreciate every single bug/feature that's fixed/implemented ... but most of those in 5.0.0 were not very high on my personal priority list |
| 15:59 |
Shara |
It's a bit of a problem when everyone takes the selfish approach though |
| 15:59 |
IhrFussel |
While those that I would like to see added were ignored or partly even denied |
| 15:59 |
Shara |
"I don't like work but do expect you to make great things I can us ethe way I want to use them" |
| 16:00 |
Shara |
Don't you see the problem if everyone thinks like this? |
| 16:00 |
Shara |
Also you don't have to thank the devs for something that doesn't help you personally... but on the other hand, you've no right to insult or complain if you didn't get what you want |
| 16:01 |
IhrFussel |
I didn't insult anybody...can you stop claiming that I did? I wanna see the messages were I clearly use insults towards a target |
| 16:01 |
IhrFussel |
where* |
| 16:01 |
erstazi |
IhrFussel: make a list of the bug or feature you would like to be added. Then let me know when you are done with that list (: |
| 16:01 |
Shara |
Where do I say you insulted anyone? |
| 16:02 |
Shara |
I said you have no right to, not that you did... bit different |
| 16:02 |
erstazi |
IhrFussel: because then I can help you schedule the time to see you fix those bugs/features. That's how FOSS projects work. |
| 16:03 |
IhrFussel |
Okay then what you said can have multiple meanings |
| 16:03 |
Shara |
Fussel, the issue is that you always seem to assume the worst, and you have just proved it yet again. |
| 16:04 |
IhrFussel |
I know how FOSS works ... but telling a server owner of a FOSS game that they did something 'wrong' by not helping the devs while the devs didn't work on things the server owner even wanted is not correct |
| 16:04 |
erstazi |
I am not knowledgeable about that. However, a healthy community in FOSS requires bug testing. I do know that. |
| 16:05 |
Shara |
Just because ONE developer may not have communicated in the best way, doesn't actually make the sentiment behind it wrong. No testing = bugs get through |
| 16:05 |
erstazi |
I understand your frustrations. I see both sides of the issue here and have been on both sides. I program for a living and also I use programs. |
| 16:06 |
IhrFussel |
I'm not trying to tell anyone what to do... but I think I am allowed to voice my opinion on why certain things are still not available...things I could very much use for my server |
| 16:06 |
erstazi |
I have had feature requests where the person wanted a feature that was *not* possible given their environment. Also, I have made feature requests that were not possible given the environment. |
| 16:06 |
erstazi |
IhrFussel: such as? |
| 16:08 |
IhrFussel |
The things I most requested in the recent months is this https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/8249 |
| 16:08 |
IhrFussel |
thing* |
| 16:09 |
IhrFussel |
And yes it is 'ready' for 5.1.0 but I reported it back in OCT |
| 16:09 |
erstazi |
so it is ready then for 5.1.0 |
| 16:09 |
erstazi |
so some soul worked on it. |
| 16:10 |
Shara |
Fussel, all that shows me is that someone has indeed picked up and taken time to work on something you want. |
| 16:10 |
IhrFussel |
Doesn't change the fact that it didn't make it into a release that happened 6 months after my report |
| 16:10 |
erstazi |
IhrFussel: did you write the code for it and it was rejected? |
| 16:10 |
IhrFussel |
The PR is not mine and it is not that old I understand that... |
| 16:10 |
Shara |
Neither did some things I really want. But unless I manage to write it or convince someone to give up their time to, I don't have a right to complain. (Unless it's a security issue, which is a bit different) |
| 16:11 |
IhrFussel |
I actually hoped that my bug report would just get a higher prority cause it simply allows cheating on servers |
| 16:11 |
IhrFussel |
I thought CHEATING would be very important to fix |
| 16:11 |
Shara |
In what way doe sit relate to cheating? |
| 16:11 |
Shara |
I'm not familiar with the issue |
| 16:11 |
IhrFussel |
Auto Forward doesn't tell the server that you are moving |
| 16:12 |
IhrFussel |
So any mod that relies on moving players is partly broken |
| 16:12 |
Shara |
That doesn't sound like the same thing as a player cheating though |
| 16:12 |
erstazi |
you mean like anti-cheat mods? |
| 16:12 |
Shara |
And cheating isn't the same thing as security (still important) |
| 16:12 |
IhrFussel |
Think about hunger... |
| 16:13 |
IhrFussel |
Think about any mod that reduces values based on walking/moving |
| 16:13 |
erstazi |
IhrFussel: yes, I see what you mean. Do you know C++? |
| 16:14 |
IhrFussel |
No, else I would call myself a 'dev' or contributor |
| 16:15 |
IhrFussel |
I'm simply one of many MT server owners who 'need' certain things in order for their server gameplay to function well and equal for every player |
| 16:16 |
erstazi |
IhrFussel: ok, I can agree with that. However, somewhere one has to pull their sleeves up, and get dirty. Time is the currency here. If you give a list by PM of all the issues, then maybe a group of people willing to donate time can hack them out. Myself included. I don't dev for minetest however I don't mind contributing time, a valuable currency. You never get it back |
| 16:17 |
erstazi |
IhrFussel: however, with me not knowing the ecosystem of minetest dev, I would expect the same from you (: |
| 16:18 |
erstazi |
IhrFussel: deal? |
| 16:19 |
twoelk |
lol, erstazi, there has been a lot of pulling up sleeves on many sides - though not only to work together |
| 16:19 |
erstazi |
twoelk: not saying anyone hasn't. However, if IhrFussel wants it done now, then he can help me get whatever it is needed to be done. He gives up time as a currency and so do I. Then he can see it through to completion |
| 16:21 |
erstazi |
twoelk: this isn't an insult to the devs. Just a point being made with an offer that if IhrFussel wants it done now, then let's do it. Devs are busy. Then we can also pull up our own sleeves and work at it |
| 16:21 |
IhrFussel |
I'm not expecting you to work 'for me' on PRs that I need (although I'm sure many other server owners would also like them but just don't say anything) ... I think the real issue here is that the core devs don't prioritize things that help servers first and foremost ... just my personal impression |
| 16:21 |
erstazi |
IhrFussel: ok, again, you are deflecting from my offer. |
| 16:22 |
erstazi |
IhrFussel: you and I can prioritize your ideal of what server admins should have. |
| 16:23 |
Shara |
Fussel, an opensource project is about many contributors other than the core devs. |
| 16:23 |
Shara |
erstazi is making an offer of time to help you. Personally I'd make the most of it :) |
| 16:24 |
IhrFussel |
That would kinda make it seem like I 'hired' him to me ... not what I want |
| 16:24 |
erstazi |
If I voluntarily offer my time, then is that hiring? |
| 16:25 |
twoelk |
somewhat out of sync............IhrFussel has helped in the past, sort of, like many others which doesn't make certain things any more non trivial by common demand. |
| 16:26 |
erstazi |
IhrFussel: do you know C++? |
| 16:26 |
IhrFussel |
I only helped by offering code snippets for MT mods ... and I found/reported a few bugs |
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| 16:27 |
IhrFussel |
No, else I would likely already work on PRs daily |
| 16:28 |
IcyDiamond |
2019-03-08 14:53:58: ERROR[Main]: ServerError: AsyncErr: ServerThread::run Lua: Runtime error from mod '' in callback item_OnPlace(): ...netest/bin/../games/minetest_game/mods/default/torch.lua:62: attempt to index local 'itemstack' (a nil value) |
| 16:28 |
IcyDiamond |
what the hell happened here |
| 16:29 |
erstazi |
IhrFussel: this isn't an issue about whether you have contributed or not in the past. However a future offer to fulfill the your vision of server admins' need to have attention. You are a server admin. What better dev or bug fixer would there be? Someone who knows the issues first hand, imho. |
| 16:31 |
erstazi |
IhrFussel: are you in? If so, then start learning on C++. It isn't scary and it is free to do. Then we can work together (: |
| 16:32 |
erstazi |
if you are in, then I will start studying the ecosystem and be willing to work with devs to integrate the issues. I would be willing to make changes to what they need if something isn't up to their standard |
| 16:33 |
twoelk |
lol, lots of paths and places mentioned many a'times and most server owners can easily sing o song of beenthere-donethat-nothingcanged |
| 16:35 |
twoelk |
we mit need some lobbyists that have no clue of programming but adopt a PR and use socialnetworking skills to keep it in constant awareness and talk it through with the right persons at the right time |
| 16:36 |
twoelk |
it works in politics, so why not here |
| 16:37 |
IcyDiamond |
2019-03-08 17:37:17: WARNING[Server]: Pathfinder: failed to update cost map |
| 16:37 |
IcyDiamond |
why is this being spammed in my console |
| 16:38 |
erstazi |
mobs redo? |
| 16:38 |
IcyDiamond |
most likely |
| 16:42 |
IhrFussel |
I'm working pretty much fulltime on my server and my players appreciate that ... they like it when the server has something new almost every day but at some point the hacky solutions I find/create aren't enough anymore and I need actual new features for my gameplay |
| 16:42 |
IhrFussel |
IcyDiamond, AFAIK that happens when the path is too long |
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| 16:44 |
IhrFussel |
I wouldn't have the time to lean c++ now and even if I started now I'm pretty sure it would take months to years to actually be ready for MT dev |
| 16:44 |
IhrFussel |
learn* |
| 16:46 |
IcyDiamond |
Can you change the texture of an entity per instance |
| 16:46 |
benrob0329 |
Yes |
| 16:47 |
benrob0329 |
Just set the property on said instance |
| 16:47 |
benrob0329 |
You can do it on a whim even |
| 16:48 |
IcyDiamond |
Sweet, I am thinking about recreating tinkers construct smeltery in minetest at some point |
| 16:48 |
IcyDiamond |
Entities will come in handy probably |
| 16:50 |
IcyDiamond |
My biggest problem will be detecting the multinode structure and validating it |
| 16:52 |
IhrFussel |
You can even add texture modifiers per instance... for example some mobs on my server have a slight random colorization |
| 16:54 |
IcyDiamond |
Idk how I'll do the detection and validation of the structure |
| 16:55 |
IcyDiamond |
Some sort of a node traversal or raycasting or something idk |
| 17:01 |
rubenwardy |
Sokomine: https://content.minetest.net/users/Sokomine |
| 17:01 |
rubenwardy |
will show your topics if you're logged in |
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| 17:04 |
rubenwardy |
IhrFussel: if you're relying on movement keys to prevent cheating, your mod is broken |
| 17:04 |
rubenwardy |
the client can lie |
| 17:05 |
rubenwardy |
the only way to correctly check it is with vector.substract(player:get_pos(), last_pos) |
| 17:05 |
scr267 |
Getting some serialization errors when connecting to an updated 5.0 server, from a 5.0 client |
| 17:05 |
scr267 |
any idea what could cause that? |
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scr267 |
unSuppoted ItemDefinition version |
| 17:07 |
twoelk |
but riding a cart or boat is also moving but should produce less hunger |
| 17:08 |
rubenwardy |
Servers aren't our only users |
| 17:09 |
rubenwardy |
why should we prioritise them "first and foremost" |
| 17:09 |
twoelk |
because they are visible? |
| 17:12 |
sofar |
that's like listening to 5 yelling protestors outside the capitol |
| 17:12 |
sofar |
what about the folks that didn't have time to protest? :) |
| 17:15 |
twoelk |
not saying because they are the loudest but rather the most exposed and in for a lot of shit when their players are unhappy - in contrast to the devs the server owners actually offer a service with somewhat of a moral guarantee that it should work as advertised |
| 17:16 |
Sokomine |
IhrFussel: i'm far back with quite a lot of my mods and regarding PRs. comes from me accumluating all and just checking my mods once a couple of months. i'm glad vanessae kept reminding me about travelnet |
| 17:16 |
* twoelk |
is still unsure wether to move his bigger privat projects over to mt5 |
| 17:17 |
VanessaE |
twoelk: do it :) |
| 17:17 |
VanessaE |
Sokomine: fix the colormachine. |
| 17:17 |
VanessaE |
:) |
| 17:17 |
twoelk |
and traders seem offset |
| 17:22 |
* twoelk |
wonders wether he was talking to sofar and rubenwardy the server owners or the devs - and imagines the little server owner on one shoulder and the dev on the other and both pulling at the ears of the head in the middel |
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| 17:28 |
Sokomine |
rubenwardy: there are too many topics for easy search i'm afraid. i'm very glad about krocks mod search as that has helped me a lot in the past |
| 17:29 |
Sokomine |
regarding movement: i love the automove option. sometimes other players ask what that is - they don't see my feet moving. but that's such a minor issue that i havn't reported it yet (or checked if someone else did). the autorun feature is very friendly to my fingers |
| 17:30 |
sofar |
twoelk: hunger isn't even part of mtg? |
| 17:30 |
* Sokomine |
grins at VanessaE and thanks her for her service :-) (and hopes that it continues until the colormachine can be fixed) |
| 17:30 |
VanessaE |
Sokomine: on one of my servers, there's a "nitro" station that boosts your run speed by 3x for a while... try that sometime :) |
| 17:32 |
* twoelk |
pats his stomach and notices real hunger :o |
| 17:32 |
Sokomine |
twoelk: offset..hm...that height issue...is there a good solution for before 0.5 and after? |
| 17:33 |
Sokomine |
twoelk: don't forget the users :-) just devs and server owners _may_ be too peaceful and calm :) |
| 17:33 |
VanessaE |
Sokomine: you can detect 5.0** by checking the minetest version and just adjusting the height. |
| 17:33 |
VanessaE |
but why care about 0.4.x now? |
| 17:33 |
VanessaE |
it's dead. |
| 17:33 |
VanessaE |
let it rust in pieces. |
| 17:33 |
Sokomine |
VanessaE: sounds good :) but with that, i might outrun the speed of my internet connection |
| 17:34 |
Sokomine |
hm. most servers still use 0.4.x |
| 17:34 |
VanessaE |
yeah but they'll have to switch soon |
| 17:34 |
* twoelk |
looks at all his legacy minetest versions ---- he hasn't touched in ages |
| 17:34 |
VanessaE |
lest they all go the way of redcrab |
| 17:34 |
Sokomine |
for my local worlds, i use relatively current 0.5, but for joining a server it's usually switching back to 0.4.17.1 |
| 17:35 |
VanessaE |
it's 5.0.0 now, not 0.5 :P |
| 17:35 |
Sokomine |
yes :-( it's a pity with redcrab |
| 17:36 |
Sokomine |
still didn't get that change of version numbers internalized :-) |
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* twoelk |
decides to do something against that hunger and leave the office and let the weekend start |
| 17:40 |
Sokomine |
good idea, twoelk. offices rarely hold stores of good food |
| 17:41 |
twoelk |
yup and off I am ------ untschuess |
| 17:42 |
sofar |
spaeter |
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| 18:07 |
IhrFussel |
The servers are what keeps MT alive and the community ineteresting...don't try to argue that MT would be this 'popular' without servers today |
| 18:08 |
IhrFussel |
Barely anyone would use MT if it only had SP |
| 18:09 |
IhrFussel |
And the server owners are the people who put time, money and effort into YOUR game ... and servers often have their own community outside of the MT forum ... and that community/userbase wants new things all the time |
| 18:10 |
IhrFussel |
Whether or not you care as server owner is arguable...but players can get bored fast if the server doesn't change for a while |
| 18:13 |
IhrFussel |
So in my honest opinion you should care more about issues that could harm server gameplay... nobody will complain about cheating or other exploits in SP...cause you play alone there |
| 18:14 |
IhrFussel |
And cheating/hacking offline is generally tolerated in the gaming community |
| 18:14 |
* VanessaE |
looks at IhrFussel .... dude, you're ranting again. |
| 18:15 |
Fixer |
VanessaE: that's okay, mt has tons of issues, it is okay to discuss, rant, whatever |
| 18:15 |
IhrFussel |
When people reply to me and I feel like I need to say something about it I simply type what I think |
| 18:16 |
IhrFussel |
Also not sure if this is 'ranting' ... I would say it is expressing critique |
| 18:17 |
IhrFussel |
Do you read my messages with an angry voice in mind? Then that is not what I intend |
| 18:18 |
IhrFussel |
I already explained multiple times why I write certain keywords as CAPS in my messages... to emphasize them |
| 18:18 |
IhrFussel |
They are not yelling |
| 18:20 |
Fixer |
someone said redcrab? |
| 18:20 |
Fixer |
Sokomine: please share your redcrab world copy... you can remove auth.txt from it, just share it on mediafire or smth |
| 18:21 |
sfan5 |
isn't there already a redcrab copy on the forums somewhere? |
| 18:21 |
VanessaE |
sfan5: OC runs it.. silvercrab or some such. |
| 18:21 |
benrob0329 |
IhrFussel: irc has bold and italics BTW, no need for caps :-) |
| 18:21 |
sfan5 |
well I mean a downloadable version |
| 18:22 |
Fixer |
rubenwardy: nice, on a dl |
| 18:22 |
Fixer |
rubenwardy: it says Not found |
| 18:22 |
Fixer |
nevermind |
| 18:22 |
Fixer |
pressed wrong button |
| 18:23 |
rubenwardy |
yeah, I've not released the site yet |
| 18:24 |
Fixer |
it has my mountain-island captured, nice |
| 18:25 |
Fixer |
daily reminder: even if you add some basic but balanced enemy mobs into the game, it will change dramaticly |
| 18:25 |
IhrFussel |
benrob0329, I don't know much about IRC and I cannot find an easy explanation on how to make words bold in HexChat |
| 18:26 |
benrob0329 |
IhrFussel: if you right click, you can insert a "make this bold" character |
| 18:27 |
benrob0329 |
Everything after will be bold, you can then insert a "don't make this bold" character to clear it. |
| 18:27 |
rubenwardy |
Ctrl+B |
| 18:27 |
benrob0329 |
That works too |
| 18:27 |
scr267 |
Anyone know what would cause player's skins to show up 50% below their normal position after an upgrade to v5.0? I've updated minetest_game as well... might be 3darmor? |
| 18:27 |
IhrFussel |
rubenwardy, and is there a key combination to make it normal again? |
| 18:27 |
rubenwardy |
Ctrl+B :) |
| 18:28 |
IhrFussel |
Test Test test |
| 18:28 |
benrob0329 |
Is text formatting stripped from this channel? |
| 18:28 |
IhrFussel |
Seems to work, thanks |
| 18:28 |
benrob0329 |
It is :-( |
| 18:28 |
IhrFussel |
Oh ok then |
| 18:28 |
benrob0329 |
Shara: *poke* |
| 18:29 |
rubenwardy |
lol |
| 18:29 |
benrob0329 |
You'll have to change mlock, dunno who all can do that |
| 18:30 |
Sokomine |
IhrFussel: we all try to contribute what we can. and that's fine! even if it's just a user, secretly enjoying the game. or a core dev fixing serious bugs. all contribute some and ought not to be discarded |
| 18:32 |
Sokomine |
Fixer: i have only what i captured with my client and save_to_localmap back when redcrab still was running. it's quite a lot - i visited as many places as i knew about and could find. but it may not be all. i'm willing to share that, but uploading is tricky for me |
| 18:33 |
Fixer |
Sokomine: nevermind, rubenwardy shared 300 mb world with me |
| 18:35 |
Sokomine |
IhrFussel: maybe it's language or culture. i'm not sure. us germans, we seem to sound more harsh than most english speakers most of the time. i'm glad that there are smilieys to sofoten language a bit now and then :-) but even if language seems so diffrent from time to time, we all share the same goal. we all hope that there'd be a lot of time so that the game could get perfect |
| 18:35 |
Fixer |
rubenwardy: it works! |
| 18:35 |
luk3yx |
scr267: Yeah, you'll need a 5.0-compatible version of 3D armour/armor |
| 18:36 |
scr267 |
luk3yx, ok thanks for the feedback... ill be testing that when i can :) |
| 18:37 |
Sokomine |
Fixer: i'm glad that rubenwardy makes it available. what i gave him first didn't work so well. that was still leveldb or so. i hope that that version now wasn't changed by mapgen (but most likely it wasn't...what i saw was ok) |
| 18:38 |
Fixer |
heil Millersman! heil fixed water flows! |
| 18:38 |
Sokomine |
there are still some points where what i put together as redcrab_game is not perfect. moreblocks did went though so many changes that locating the right version was something i didn't entirely manage. just a close version, with some few blocks unkown, but hopefully most ok |
| 18:38 |
Fixer |
found lots of stuck water flows that a for the first time ever - reflow |
| 18:38 |
Fixer |
are* |
| 18:38 |
Fixer |
reflowing* |
| 18:38 |
Sokomine |
ah, ok, that might be. i had some flooding at spawn |
| 18:39 |
Sokomine |
and the old sneak elevators work no more. but that's not a big problem as there's fly in singleplayer |
| 18:41 |
rubenwardy |
there's some griefing on my shop |
| 18:41 |
rubenwardy |
also unknown blocks |
| 18:41 |
Sokomine |
oh |
| 18:42 |
Sokomine |
but that might have been part of the real map at that stage. i often ran accross those random drops of gravel and/or sand. those really where appearing at random spots on the map instead of where they ought to |
| 18:44 |
Fixer |
seen some watersplash at spawn |
| 18:44 |
Fixer |
it went away |
| 18:44 |
Fixer |
need /mapfix on it |
| 18:45 |
Fixer |
installed |
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| 18:50 |
Fixer |
rubenwardy: redcrab game is fully compatible with 5.0? does it has those node update craps? |
| 18:50 |
rubenwardy |
I've only run it with 5.0 |
| 18:50 |
rubenwardy |
https://github.com/rubenwardy/redcrab_game |
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| 18:52 |
Fixer |
feels good |
| 18:53 |
Fixer |
forked it |
| 18:53 |
Fixer |
just for mirroring |
| 18:55 |
Fixer |
wonder if that faaancy place with housing and rails was captured |
| 18:55 |
Fixer |
it was quite far |
| 18:56 |
Sokomine |
fixer: same here. my local games are all er..5.0 or however it is called right now |
| 18:56 |
Sokomine |
fancy place? |
| 18:57 |
Fixer |
yes |
| 18:57 |
Fixer |
really baaad asss place |
| 18:57 |
Sokomine |
i tried to caputre all i could find back then. went very far. still - with rc running so many years, so many players contributing - the map is still astonishingly small. i didn't capture all those digging areas or where people just explored |
| 18:57 |
Fixer |
bestest ever |
| 18:57 |
Sokomine |
:-) |
| 18:57 |
VanessaE |
does anyone know what ever happened to redcrab himself? |
| 18:57 |
Sokomine |
share coordinates if you found it |
| 18:58 |
Sokomine |
sadly, no. he probably got other intrests. at the end, he showed up about once a year before we finally lost contact |
| 18:58 |
VanessaE |
too bad.. |
| 18:58 |
Sokomine |
indeed |
| 19:00 |
Sokomine |
fixer: the big mega-stature and the...er..not-deathstar are also included |
| 19:01 |
Fixer |
i have some screenshots |
| 19:01 |
Sokomine |
screenshots with coordinates are helpful for locating buildings. i sometimes do them just for that purpose |
| 19:02 |
Fixer |
Sokomine: https://i.imgur.com/5NYByOI.png |
| 19:04 |
kaeza |
Imgur :( |
| 19:04 |
kaeza |
Greetings. |
| 19:04 |
Fixer |
Sokomine: that place is missing from capture :((( |
| 19:04 |
VanessaE |
a wild kaeza appears! |
| 19:04 |
VanessaE |
:) |
| 19:09 |
Fixer |
that place was ridiculously amazing |
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Sokomine |
fixer: someone else did captures back then. rob<some number>. he even wrote a bot. perhaps you can try to contact him |
| 19:19 |
* Sokomine |
tries to tame kaeza and quickly builds a fence around |
| 19:20 |
Sokomine |
fixer: do you remember who built it? |
| 19:25 |
Fixer |
Sokomine: need to check some screens |
| 19:55 |
VanessaE |
~tell tenplus1 [03-08 14:54] <N7na VSrv> Even the farming, sometimes I dig things stuck at 1 for days ( like the grains and pumpkin stuck for 1 week in Bedrock atm) and replant and they grow fine |
| 19:55 |
ShadowBot |
VanessaE: O.K. |
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IhrFussel |
Lol https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=22307 |
| 22:03 |
IcyDiamond |
2019-03-08 22:41:18: ERROR[Main]: ServerError: AsyncErr: ServerThread::run Lua: Runtime error from mod '' in callback item_OnPlace(): ...netest/bin/../games/minetest_game/mods/default/torch.lua:62: attempt to index local 'itemstack' (a nil value) |
| 22:03 |
IcyDiamond |
can anyone look into what this is? |
| 22:03 |
IcyDiamond |
my server keeps crashing with it |
| 22:05 |
IcyDiamond |
i guess this line `itemstack = minetest.item_place(fakestack, placer, pointed_thing, wdir)` can return a nil |
| 22:05 |
IcyDiamond |
and its not accounted for |
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sofar |
is a mod placing a torch? |
| 22:12 |
IcyDiamond |
hmm not that i know of |
| 22:13 |
IcyDiamond |
someone could be using basic_robot |
| 22:13 |
IcyDiamond |
other than that i dont think any mod can place torches at least |
| 22:22 |
sofar |
code is not 100% kosher but builtin also doesn't look like it's according to docs |
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Fixer |
10 years later: Minetest 500 is released |
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