Time Nick Message 00:48 TommyTreasure is there a parameter i need to change to allow 5.0.x clients to connect to my 04.17.1 server? 00:49 GreenDimond No 00:49 GreenDimond Neither are compatible 00:49 TommyTreasure gotcha! 00:49 TommyTreasure so either or, not both 09:05 paramat IhrFussel if a feature request doesn't progress it's because no-one writes a PR or the request is disapproved for good reason. it's not lack of care, don't portray it as malice or incompetence. no feature request is ignored, we look at every one 09:06 paramat if you want more development pay us all full time wages 09:07 paramat if a feature request is denied it is for good reason, disapprovals are inevitable 09:09 paramat we're very much driven by what server owners want 09:10 paramat and what players want 09:11 paramat you write so much negative nonsense sometimes =) 11:59 IhrFussel find_node_near() doesn't work as expected 11:59 IhrFussel I expected it to find the NEAREST node from pos 11:59 IhrFussel And not any nearest starting from mapblock corner 12:52 IhrFussel The forum got a bug it seems 12:52 IhrFussel Session bug... sometimes when I'm clearly logged out I still see board pages as logged in until I refresh 12:53 IhrFussel It can even happen after hours 12:53 sfan5 browser caching? 12:53 IhrFussel And after closing & reopening my browser 12:54 IhrFussel I actually shutdown my PC since I logged out and just saw the board index as 'IhrFussel [Logout]' 12:55 IhrFussel Could be cache...firefox keeps pages in cache it shouldn't then 13:17 IhrFussel I just read the IRC logs 13:19 IhrFussel !tell paramat What I say is no nonsense at all... I said IF you acre about every feature request you should SHOW it more... but it's a fact that barely any feature request receives some feedback from core devs... you could at least add a comment stating your opinion or reaction but often all you do is adding the appropriate labels and that's it... that doesn't tell me as user that you actually care about my 13:19 MinetestBot IhrFussel: yeah, sure, whatever 13:19 IhrFussel request 13:21 IhrFussel Agreeing/approving is another thing 13:23 IhrFussel Swinging the 'pay us' hammer isn't going to help you either with this argument ... either you work on this project with passion and because you want to help to improve the game or not 13:24 IhrFussel I'm not expecting anyone to work fulltime on MT I didn't even mention 'work more' I said maybe restructure your dev time 13:28 Sokomine where did krocks mod search page move to? i need it to find my own threads 13:30 twoelk https://krock-works.uk.to/minetest/modSearch.php 13:30 Sokomine IhrFussel: i'm afraid that's a problem of time available. even though as much as anyone might wish, i'm afraid there's just too much to actually care high about each individual issue 13:30 Sokomine twoelk: thanks! 13:32 IhrFussel Sorry I don't buy that excuse... usually max 3 issues/requests are added per day... it would take maybe 5 minutes to express your opinion on them ... and 'restructuring dev time' means take a few minutes from elsewhere and add it to request reviewing 13:34 IhrFussel I even said adding a simple 'reaction icon' might be enough if you don't have a few minutes for typing 1 or 2 sentences that explain why you think it's a good/bad idea 13:34 * twoelk still thinks IhrFussel could tone down his fedup with the devs not listening attitude to a somewhat more civilized level 13:35 IhrFussel I'm not even agressive right now...what am I supposed to write? 13:35 IhrFussel aggressive* 13:36 BakerPrime Really silly question.. Running 0.4.17.1 here, and when I startup a new local world, the sky doesn't seem to be working, where do I look to fix that? (I'm on Linux) 13:37 twoelk maybe the clouds have been turned off? 13:38 IhrFussel I'm not a native English speaker so the words I use to express my emotions might not always be the most appropriate ones... I don't use any direct insults though 13:39 BakerPrime twoelk: I'll try. 13:40 BakerPrime It is modded, and has Skybox. But the skybox mod is working fine on every world except this one... And I have tried disabling it to see if that works. 13:40 BakerPrime But it didn't fix it. 13:40 BakerPrime So I suspect it isn't Skybox. 13:40 twoelk da hab ich jetzt aber keine lust zu dir die gegenbeweise rauszusuchen, der tonfall wirkt aber schon sehr oft ziemlich persöhnlich 13:40 BakerPrime The debug says that it can't find the sky_x_pos or the sky_y_pos or whatever. 13:41 IhrFussel Whether or not you take something personal is subjective I'd say 13:47 BakerPrime twoelk: Disabling 3d clouds didn't seem to help. It says something about not being able to find sky_pos_y.png and sky_pos_x.png etc. 14:09 twoelk BakerPrime: you had the skybox mod deactivated? only one world is missing it? - study that worldfolder and the settings files within 14:12 atorian37 o/ I copied a World from server 0.4.17.1 to 5.0.0 to check whats not working on the new version. By now, it seems the traders mod from Sokomine where the traders are flying instead of standing on the ground. I made a git pull and there have been some chenages but its still the same. Any ideas? 14:16 atorian37 ---> sorry correction, I was wrong: the old server is 0.4.16 14:17 twoelk yay https://wiki.minetest.net/List_of_Games should be up to date now 14:46 Calinou IhrFussel: in open source projects, people work on what they want to work on. It doesn't work like a RTS where you tell 10 people to build a school and 10 other people to work in a farm :) 15:35 IhrFussel Calinou, If you work on things nobody wants you to work on then you simply act ignorant 15:36 IhrFussel Not saying nobody from the community wanted the stuff, but many wanted other things instead 15:37 IhrFussel You don't actually help the community then so don't expect them to thank you 15:38 IhrFussel Do you expect people to thank you for doing things nobody asked for? 15:38 twoelk sigh 15:40 IhrFussel I'm not saying you are not allowed to work only on things you like... but when you do it's like you did nothing to the people who wanted you to work on other things 15:41 IhrFussel And asking for thanks or even money for such a task is more than rude IMO 15:46 twoelk well is and doesn't include any rights for extra flavor, you got to go with whatever is given away for free 15:55 IhrFussel My connection had problems 15:55 IhrFussel I never tried to change the dev's minds ... I suggested to restructure the dev process ... everything else was kinda provoked by saying 'you act like such a good server owner and didn't even help bug testing' 15:57 IhrFussel That's where I said that I'm not really interested much in testing things I didn't ask for as bugfixes/features 15:58 IhrFussel I appreciate every single bug/feature that's fixed/implemented ... but most of those in 5.0.0 were not very high on my personal priority list 15:59 Shara It's a bit of a problem when everyone takes the selfish approach though 15:59 IhrFussel While those that I would like to see added were ignored or partly even denied 15:59 Shara "I don't like work but do expect you to make great things I can us ethe way I want to use them" 16:00 Shara Don't you see the problem if everyone thinks like this? 16:00 Shara Also you don't have to thank the devs for something that doesn't help you personally... but on the other hand, you've no right to insult or complain if you didn't get what you want 16:01 IhrFussel I didn't insult anybody...can you stop claiming that I did? I wanna see the messages were I clearly use insults towards a target 16:01 IhrFussel where* 16:01 erstazi IhrFussel: make a list of the bug or feature you would like to be added. Then let me know when you are done with that list (: 16:01 Shara Where do I say you insulted anyone? 16:02 Shara I said you have no right to, not that you did... bit different 16:02 erstazi IhrFussel: because then I can help you schedule the time to see you fix those bugs/features. That's how FOSS projects work. 16:03 IhrFussel Okay then what you said can have multiple meanings 16:03 Shara Fussel, the issue is that you always seem to assume the worst, and you have just proved it yet again. 16:04 IhrFussel I know how FOSS works ... but telling a server owner of a FOSS game that they did something 'wrong' by not helping the devs while the devs didn't work on things the server owner even wanted is not correct 16:04 erstazi I am not knowledgeable about that. However, a healthy community in FOSS requires bug testing. I do know that. 16:05 Shara Just because ONE developer may not have communicated in the best way, doesn't actually make the sentiment behind it wrong. No testing = bugs get through 16:05 erstazi I understand your frustrations. I see both sides of the issue here and have been on both sides. I program for a living and also I use programs. 16:06 IhrFussel I'm not trying to tell anyone what to do... but I think I am allowed to voice my opinion on why certain things are still not available...things I could very much use for my server 16:06 erstazi I have had feature requests where the person wanted a feature that was *not* possible given their environment. Also, I have made feature requests that were not possible given the environment. 16:06 erstazi IhrFussel: such as? 16:08 IhrFussel The things I most requested in the recent months is this https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/8249 16:08 IhrFussel thing* 16:09 IhrFussel And yes it is 'ready' for 5.1.0 but I reported it back in OCT 16:09 erstazi so it is ready then for 5.1.0 16:09 erstazi so some soul worked on it. 16:10 Shara Fussel, all that shows me is that someone has indeed picked up and taken time to work on something you want. 16:10 IhrFussel Doesn't change the fact that it didn't make it into a release that happened 6 months after my report 16:10 erstazi IhrFussel: did you write the code for it and it was rejected? 16:10 IhrFussel The PR is not mine and it is not that old I understand that... 16:10 Shara Neither did some things I really want. But unless I manage to write it or convince someone to give up their time to, I don't have a right to complain. (Unless it's a security issue, which is a bit different) 16:11 IhrFussel I actually hoped that my bug report would just get a higher prority cause it simply allows cheating on servers 16:11 IhrFussel I thought CHEATING would be very important to fix 16:11 Shara In what way doe sit relate to cheating? 16:11 Shara I'm not familiar with the issue 16:11 IhrFussel Auto Forward doesn't tell the server that you are moving 16:12 IhrFussel So any mod that relies on moving players is partly broken 16:12 Shara That doesn't sound like the same thing as a player cheating though 16:12 erstazi you mean like anti-cheat mods? 16:12 Shara And cheating isn't the same thing as security (still important) 16:12 IhrFussel Think about hunger... 16:13 IhrFussel Think about any mod that reduces values based on walking/moving 16:13 erstazi IhrFussel: yes, I see what you mean. Do you know C++? 16:14 IhrFussel No, else I would call myself a 'dev' or contributor 16:15 IhrFussel I'm simply one of many MT server owners who 'need' certain things in order for their server gameplay to function well and equal for every player 16:16 erstazi IhrFussel: ok, I can agree with that. However, somewhere one has to pull their sleeves up, and get dirty. Time is the currency here. If you give a list by PM of all the issues, then maybe a group of people willing to donate time can hack them out. Myself included. I don't dev for minetest however I don't mind contributing time, a valuable currency. You never get it back 16:17 erstazi IhrFussel: however, with me not knowing the ecosystem of minetest dev, I would expect the same from you (: 16:18 erstazi IhrFussel: deal? 16:19 twoelk lol, erstazi, there has been a lot of pulling up sleeves on many sides - though not only to work together 16:19 erstazi twoelk: not saying anyone hasn't. However, if IhrFussel wants it done now, then he can help me get whatever it is needed to be done. He gives up time as a currency and so do I. Then he can see it through to completion 16:21 erstazi twoelk: this isn't an insult to the devs. Just a point being made with an offer that if IhrFussel wants it done now, then let's do it. Devs are busy. Then we can also pull up our own sleeves and work at it 16:21 IhrFussel I'm not expecting you to work 'for me' on PRs that I need (although I'm sure many other server owners would also like them but just don't say anything) ... I think the real issue here is that the core devs don't prioritize things that help servers first and foremost ... just my personal impression 16:21 erstazi IhrFussel: ok, again, you are deflecting from my offer. 16:22 erstazi IhrFussel: you and I can prioritize your ideal of what server admins should have. 16:23 Shara Fussel, an opensource project is about many contributors other than the core devs. 16:23 Shara erstazi is making an offer of time to help you. Personally I'd make the most of it :) 16:24 IhrFussel That would kinda make it seem like I 'hired' him to me ... not what I want 16:24 erstazi If I voluntarily offer my time, then is that hiring? 16:25 twoelk somewhat out of sync............IhrFussel has helped in the past, sort of, like many others which doesn't make certain things any more non trivial by common demand. 16:26 erstazi IhrFussel: do you know C++? 16:26 IhrFussel I only helped by offering code snippets for MT mods ... and I found/reported a few bugs 16:27 IhrFussel No, else I would likely already work on PRs daily 16:28 IcyDiamond 2019-03-08 14:53:58: ERROR[Main]: ServerError: AsyncErr: ServerThread::run Lua: Runtime error from mod '' in callback item_OnPlace(): ...netest/bin/../games/minetest_game/mods/default/torch.lua:62: attempt to index local 'itemstack' (a nil value) 16:28 IcyDiamond what the hell happened here 16:29 erstazi IhrFussel: this isn't an issue about whether you have contributed or not in the past. However a future offer to fulfill the your vision of server admins' need to have attention. You are a server admin. What better dev or bug fixer would there be? Someone who knows the issues first hand, imho. 16:31 erstazi IhrFussel: are you in? If so, then start learning on C++. It isn't scary and it is free to do. Then we can work together (: 16:32 erstazi if you are in, then I will start studying the ecosystem and be willing to work with devs to integrate the issues. I would be willing to make changes to what they need if something isn't up to their standard 16:33 twoelk lol, lots of paths and places mentioned many a'times and most server owners can easily sing o song of beenthere-donethat-nothingcanged 16:35 twoelk we mit need some lobbyists that have no clue of programming but adopt a PR and use socialnetworking skills to keep it in constant awareness and talk it through with the right persons at the right time 16:36 twoelk it works in politics, so why not here 16:37 IcyDiamond 2019-03-08 17:37:17: WARNING[Server]: Pathfinder: failed to update cost map 16:37 IcyDiamond why is this being spammed in my console 16:38 erstazi mobs redo? 16:38 IcyDiamond most likely 16:42 IhrFussel I'm working pretty much fulltime on my server and my players appreciate that ... they like it when the server has something new almost every day but at some point the hacky solutions I find/create aren't enough anymore and I need actual new features for my gameplay 16:42 IhrFussel IcyDiamond, AFAIK that happens when the path is too long 16:44 IhrFussel I wouldn't have the time to lean c++ now and even if I started now I'm pretty sure it would take months to years to actually be ready for MT dev 16:44 IhrFussel learn* 16:46 IcyDiamond Can you change the texture of an entity per instance 16:46 benrob0329 Yes 16:47 benrob0329 Just set the property on said instance 16:47 benrob0329 You can do it on a whim even 16:48 IcyDiamond Sweet, I am thinking about recreating tinkers construct smeltery in minetest at some point 16:48 IcyDiamond Entities will come in handy probably 16:50 IcyDiamond My biggest problem will be detecting the multinode structure and validating it 16:52 IhrFussel You can even add texture modifiers per instance... for example some mobs on my server have a slight random colorization 16:54 IcyDiamond Idk how I'll do the detection and validation of the structure 16:55 IcyDiamond Some sort of a node traversal or raycasting or something idk 17:01 rubenwardy Sokomine: https://content.minetest.net/users/Sokomine 17:01 rubenwardy will show your topics if you're logged in 17:04 rubenwardy IhrFussel: if you're relying on movement keys to prevent cheating, your mod is broken 17:04 rubenwardy the client can lie 17:05 rubenwardy the only way to correctly check it is with vector.substract(player:get_pos(), last_pos) 17:05 scr267 Getting some serialization errors when connecting to an updated 5.0 server, from a 5.0 client 17:05 scr267 any idea what could cause that? 17:05 scr267 unSuppoted ItemDefinition version 17:07 twoelk but riding a cart or boat is also moving but should produce less hunger 17:08 rubenwardy Servers aren't our only users 17:09 rubenwardy why should we prioritise them "first and foremost" 17:09 twoelk because they are visible? 17:12 sofar that's like listening to 5 yelling protestors outside the capitol 17:12 sofar what about the folks that didn't have time to protest? :) 17:15 twoelk not saying because they are the loudest but rather the most exposed and in for a lot of shit when their players are unhappy - in contrast to the devs the server owners actually offer a service with somewhat of a moral guarantee that it should work as advertised 17:16 Sokomine IhrFussel: i'm far back with quite a lot of my mods and regarding PRs. comes from me accumluating all and just checking my mods once a couple of months. i'm glad vanessae kept reminding me about travelnet 17:16 * twoelk is still unsure wether to move his bigger privat projects over to mt5 17:17 VanessaE twoelk: do it :) 17:17 VanessaE Sokomine: fix the colormachine. 17:17 VanessaE :) 17:17 twoelk and traders seem offset 17:22 * twoelk wonders wether he was talking to sofar and rubenwardy the server owners or the devs - and imagines the little server owner on one shoulder and the dev on the other and both pulling at the ears of the head in the middel 17:28 Sokomine rubenwardy: there are too many topics for easy search i'm afraid. i'm very glad about krocks mod search as that has helped me a lot in the past 17:29 Sokomine regarding movement: i love the automove option. sometimes other players ask what that is - they don't see my feet moving. but that's such a minor issue that i havn't reported it yet (or checked if someone else did). the autorun feature is very friendly to my fingers 17:30 sofar twoelk: hunger isn't even part of mtg? 17:30 * Sokomine grins at VanessaE and thanks her for her service :-) (and hopes that it continues until the colormachine can be fixed) 17:30 VanessaE Sokomine: on one of my servers, there's a "nitro" station that boosts your run speed by 3x for a while... try that sometime :) 17:32 * twoelk pats his stomach and notices real hunger :o 17:32 Sokomine twoelk: offset..hm...that height issue...is there a good solution for before 0.5 and after? 17:33 Sokomine twoelk: don't forget the users :-) just devs and server owners _may_ be too peaceful and calm :) 17:33 VanessaE Sokomine: you can detect 5.0** by checking the minetest version and just adjusting the height. 17:33 VanessaE but why care about 0.4.x now? 17:33 VanessaE it's dead. 17:33 VanessaE let it rust in pieces. 17:33 Sokomine VanessaE: sounds good :) but with that, i might outrun the speed of my internet connection 17:34 Sokomine hm. most servers still use 0.4.x 17:34 VanessaE yeah but they'll have to switch soon 17:34 * twoelk looks at all his legacy minetest versions ---- he hasn't touched in ages 17:34 VanessaE lest they all go the way of redcrab 17:34 Sokomine for my local worlds, i use relatively current 0.5, but for joining a server it's usually switching back to 0.4.17.1 17:35 VanessaE it's 5.0.0 now, not 0.5 :P 17:35 Sokomine yes :-( it's a pity with redcrab 17:36 Sokomine still didn't get that change of version numbers internalized :-) 17:38 * twoelk decides to do something against that hunger and leave the office and let the weekend start 17:40 Sokomine good idea, twoelk. offices rarely hold stores of good food 17:41 twoelk yup and off I am ------ untschuess 17:42 sofar spaeter 18:07 IhrFussel The servers are what keeps MT alive and the community ineteresting...don't try to argue that MT would be this 'popular' without servers today 18:08 IhrFussel Barely anyone would use MT if it only had SP 18:09 IhrFussel And the server owners are the people who put time, money and effort into YOUR game ... and servers often have their own community outside of the MT forum ... and that community/userbase wants new things all the time 18:10 IhrFussel Whether or not you care as server owner is arguable...but players can get bored fast if the server doesn't change for a while 18:13 IhrFussel So in my honest opinion you should care more about issues that could harm server gameplay... nobody will complain about cheating or other exploits in SP...cause you play alone there 18:14 IhrFussel And cheating/hacking offline is generally tolerated in the gaming community 18:14 * VanessaE looks at IhrFussel .... dude, you're ranting again. 18:15 Fixer VanessaE: that's okay, mt has tons of issues, it is okay to discuss, rant, whatever 18:15 IhrFussel When people reply to me and I feel like I need to say something about it I simply type what I think 18:16 IhrFussel Also not sure if this is 'ranting' ... I would say it is expressing critique 18:17 IhrFussel Do you read my messages with an angry voice in mind? Then that is not what I intend 18:18 IhrFussel I already explained multiple times why I write certain keywords as CAPS in my messages... to emphasize them 18:18 IhrFussel They are not yelling 18:20 Fixer someone said redcrab? 18:20 Fixer Sokomine: please share your redcrab world copy... you can remove auth.txt from it, just share it on mediafire or smth 18:21 sfan5 isn't there already a redcrab copy on the forums somewhere? 18:21 VanessaE sfan5: OC runs it.. silvercrab or some such. 18:21 benrob0329 IhrFussel: irc has bold and italics BTW, no need for caps :-) 18:21 sfan5 well I mean a downloadable version 18:22 Fixer rubenwardy: nice, on a dl 18:22 Fixer rubenwardy: it says Not found 18:22 Fixer nevermind 18:22 Fixer pressed wrong button 18:23 rubenwardy yeah, I've not released the site yet 18:24 Fixer it has my mountain-island captured, nice 18:25 Fixer daily reminder: even if you add some basic but balanced enemy mobs into the game, it will change dramaticly 18:25 IhrFussel benrob0329, I don't know much about IRC and I cannot find an easy explanation on how to make words bold in HexChat 18:26 benrob0329 IhrFussel: if you right click, you can insert a "make this bold" character 18:27 benrob0329 Everything after will be bold, you can then insert a "don't make this bold" character to clear it. 18:27 rubenwardy Ctrl+B 18:27 benrob0329 That works too 18:27 scr267 Anyone know what would cause player's skins to show up 50% below their normal position after an upgrade to v5.0? I've updated minetest_game as well... might be 3darmor? 18:27 IhrFussel rubenwardy, and is there a key combination to make it normal again? 18:27 rubenwardy Ctrl+B :) 18:28 IhrFussel Test Test test 18:28 benrob0329 Is text formatting stripped from this channel? 18:28 IhrFussel Seems to work, thanks 18:28 benrob0329 It is :-( 18:28 IhrFussel Oh ok then 18:28 benrob0329 Shara: *poke* 18:29 rubenwardy lol 18:29 benrob0329 You'll have to change mlock, dunno who all can do that 18:30 Sokomine IhrFussel: we all try to contribute what we can. and that's fine! even if it's just a user, secretly enjoying the game. or a core dev fixing serious bugs. all contribute some and ought not to be discarded 18:32 Sokomine Fixer: i have only what i captured with my client and save_to_localmap back when redcrab still was running. it's quite a lot - i visited as many places as i knew about and could find. but it may not be all. i'm willing to share that, but uploading is tricky for me 18:33 Fixer Sokomine: nevermind, rubenwardy shared 300 mb world with me 18:35 Sokomine IhrFussel: maybe it's language or culture. i'm not sure. us germans, we seem to sound more harsh than most english speakers most of the time. i'm glad that there are smilieys to sofoten language a bit now and then :-) but even if language seems so diffrent from time to time, we all share the same goal. we all hope that there'd be a lot of time so that the game could get perfect 18:35 Fixer rubenwardy: it works! 18:35 luk3yx scr267: Yeah, you'll need a 5.0-compatible version of 3D armour/armor 18:36 scr267 luk3yx, ok thanks for the feedback... ill be testing that when i can :) 18:37 Sokomine Fixer: i'm glad that rubenwardy makes it available. what i gave him first didn't work so well. that was still leveldb or so. i hope that that version now wasn't changed by mapgen (but most likely it wasn't...what i saw was ok) 18:38 Fixer heil Millersman! heil fixed water flows! 18:38 Sokomine there are still some points where what i put together as redcrab_game is not perfect. moreblocks did went though so many changes that locating the right version was something i didn't entirely manage. just a close version, with some few blocks unkown, but hopefully most ok 18:38 Fixer found lots of stuck water flows that a for the first time ever - reflow 18:38 Fixer are* 18:38 Fixer reflowing* 18:38 Sokomine ah, ok, that might be. i had some flooding at spawn 18:39 Sokomine and the old sneak elevators work no more. but that's not a big problem as there's fly in singleplayer 18:41 rubenwardy there's some griefing on my shop 18:41 rubenwardy also unknown blocks 18:41 Sokomine oh 18:42 Sokomine but that might have been part of the real map at that stage. i often ran accross those random drops of gravel and/or sand. those really where appearing at random spots on the map instead of where they ought to 18:44 Fixer seen some watersplash at spawn 18:44 Fixer it went away 18:44 Fixer need /mapfix on it 18:45 Fixer installed 18:50 Fixer rubenwardy: redcrab game is fully compatible with 5.0? does it has those node update craps? 18:50 rubenwardy I've only run it with 5.0 18:50 rubenwardy https://github.com/rubenwardy/redcrab_game 18:52 Fixer feels good 18:53 Fixer forked it 18:53 Fixer just for mirroring 18:55 Fixer wonder if that faaancy place with housing and rails was captured 18:55 Fixer it was quite far 18:56 Sokomine fixer: same here. my local games are all er..5.0 or however it is called right now 18:56 Sokomine fancy place? 18:57 Fixer yes 18:57 Fixer really baaad asss place 18:57 Sokomine i tried to caputre all i could find back then. went very far. still - with rc running so many years, so many players contributing - the map is still astonishingly small. i didn't capture all those digging areas or where people just explored 18:57 Fixer bestest ever 18:57 Sokomine :-) 18:57 VanessaE does anyone know what ever happened to redcrab himself? 18:57 Sokomine share coordinates if you found it 18:58 Sokomine sadly, no. he probably got other intrests. at the end, he showed up about once a year before we finally lost contact 18:58 VanessaE too bad.. 18:58 Sokomine indeed 19:00 Sokomine fixer: the big mega-stature and the...er..not-deathstar are also included 19:01 Fixer i have some screenshots 19:01 Sokomine screenshots with coordinates are helpful for locating buildings. i sometimes do them just for that purpose 19:02 Fixer Sokomine: https://i.imgur.com/5NYByOI.png 19:04 kaeza Imgur :( 19:04 kaeza Greetings. 19:04 Fixer Sokomine: that place is missing from capture :((( 19:04 VanessaE a wild kaeza appears! 19:04 VanessaE :) 19:09 Fixer that place was ridiculously amazing 19:18 Sokomine fixer: someone else did captures back then. rob. he even wrote a bot. perhaps you can try to contact him 19:19 * Sokomine tries to tame kaeza and quickly builds a fence around 19:20 Sokomine fixer: do you remember who built it? 19:25 Fixer Sokomine: need to check some screens 19:55 VanessaE ~tell tenplus1 [03-08 14:54] Even the farming, sometimes I dig things stuck at 1 for days ( like the grains and pumpkin stuck for 1 week in Bedrock atm) and replant and they grow fine 19:55 ShadowBot VanessaE: O.K. 21:36 IhrFussel Lol https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=22307 22:03 IcyDiamond 2019-03-08 22:41:18: ERROR[Main]: ServerError: AsyncErr: ServerThread::run Lua: Runtime error from mod '' in callback item_OnPlace(): ...netest/bin/../games/minetest_game/mods/default/torch.lua:62: attempt to index local 'itemstack' (a nil value) 22:03 IcyDiamond can anyone look into what this is? 22:03 IcyDiamond my server keeps crashing with it 22:05 IcyDiamond i guess this line `itemstack = minetest.item_place(fakestack, placer, pointed_thing, wdir)` can return a nil 22:05 IcyDiamond and its not accounted for 22:11 sofar is a mod placing a torch? 22:12 IcyDiamond hmm not that i know of 22:13 IcyDiamond someone could be using basic_robot 22:13 IcyDiamond other than that i dont think any mod can place torches at least 22:22 sofar code is not 100% kosher but builtin also doesn't look like it's according to docs 23:07 Fixer 10 years later: Minetest 500 is released