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IRC log for #minetest-hub, 2018-11-07

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02:24 paramat !tell IhrFussel, 5.0.0 will have a good official MT app, better than any forked app, good chance to move players onto it. "the 3rd-party apps don't intend to upgrade at release" they probably will. also, many servers are desperate for CSM restrictions
02:24 MinetestBot paramat: yeah, sure, whatever
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07:23 nerzhul not sure about all arguments but we should release it to ensure it's real
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08:58 Peppy hi
09:04 shivajiva Hello Peppy
09:04 Peppy hi shivajiva
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14:13 longerstaff13 https://i.imgur.com/3prFYdG.png <- caught the bastard in the act
14:14 longerstaff13 I went undercover to check something on Ls-Wonderland
14:14 longerstaff13 LS*
14:15 longerstaff13 14:14:58 <LS-Wonderland> Players for IP address 92.217.18.121: pleasedonotreportme
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16:09 DI3HARD139 To click download or to not click download........ https://prnt.sc/lfityj
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19:03 GreenDimond Cleanup on aisle forum, someone opened a few cans of Spam.
19:05 * GreenDimond pokes VanessaE or Shara
19:18 Shara Ewwww
19:20 * Shara pulls out the mop and a few other things as well
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20:49 tumeninodes !tell Krock , I love the new glass... but you should have fixed obsidian glass door at the same time ;)  giddyup :D
20:49 MinetestBot tumeninodes: yeah, sure, whatever
20:50 tumeninodes Don't be like that MinetestBot, I meant to call you but it just got too late
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21:41 tumeninodes rubenwardy, I seem to be having trouble adding texture packs to contentdb
21:41 rubenwardy What specifically?
21:42 tumeninodes everytime I go to add new content, the page goes right to VCS Repository URL page and keeps stating it is unable to detect what sort of pckg
21:43 rubenwardy Is it on git?
21:43 rubenwardy If not, leave that blank
21:43 tumeninodes yes,
21:43 rubenwardy What URL are you giving?
21:43 tumeninodes https://github.com/TumeniNodes/16px-ambiguity
21:43 rubenwardy Ah, it may be because of the -
21:44 tumeninodes well I just literally added that
21:44 tumeninodes after trying a couple times
21:44 tumeninodes because it mentions doing so in the guidelines in the help section
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21:45 rubenwardy What is the error exactly?
21:46 tumeninodes 'unable to detect package type
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21:47 rubenwardy Ah, I know why
21:47 rubenwardy Leave the repo field blank for now and click next
21:47 rubenwardy You'll then see a full form where you can fill it in manually
21:47 tumeninodes yep, that's what I'm doing right now
21:47 rubenwardy And add the repo field again
21:47 rubenwardy Cool
21:48 tumeninodes just thought I'd mention it as the program seems unable to read TPs from a repo
21:48 tumeninodes or decipher what they are
21:49 rubenwardy Yeah, it's because TPs don't have an equivalent to init.lua or modpack.txt
21:52 tumeninodes hmmm,
21:53 tumeninodes might be nice to also add an option for "mixed free" to the media license drop down choices
21:54 tumeninodes I know there is "other free" but, mixed would be nice too
21:55 rubenwardy It's best to just choose the most restrictive license
21:55 tumeninodes ?
21:56 tumeninodes did you drop this 'un' ?
21:58 T4im he probably means taking the most restrictive one among the mixed ones and categorize it under that
21:59 tumeninodes ahhh, possibly
21:59 T4im the "MIT licensed, except that one file,.. not even the author is allowed to edit that one" would then be proprietary
22:06 ChimneySwift LOL not even the author can edit XDD
22:45 tumeninodes heh, I should probably finish my other TPs so I can add them as well :P
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23:13 rubenwardy What T4im  said
23:13 rubenwardy Another example: if there's lgpl things and MIT things, put lgpl
23:13 rubenwardy So it's in either direction
23:14 rubenwardy I'm not sure how legally ok this is
23:14 Jordach cross that bridge when you get there
23:15 tumeninodes yeh, I'm not sure either. Since the default textures for MTG all fall under various licenses... I feel stating a 'mix of free licenses' is the proper channel but that's just me
23:18 tumeninodes not sure about the situation used as an example either... Parts of MIT can be floated into LGPL, but not the other way around... so if the 2 are mixed, makes me think MIT is supposed to take precedence, at least from a legal standpoint, regardless of any individual's feelings that lgpl is a better license
23:19 T4im lgpl restricts your right more than MIT, which is very permissive
23:21 tumeninodes what I meant is, regardless of any personal feelings on the matter... from a legal standpoint, MIT should probably be the one listed, if both are used. (if only one option is avail)
23:23 T4im from a legal standpoint, mit is restricting you less than lgpl
23:23 * T4im just keeps saying the same thing, too
23:23 T4im :p
23:24 paramat MTG textures are mostly CC BY-SA and we try to keep as many as possible as that licence
23:24 T4im look at it this way.. we put you in prison and you are allowed to vote.. would you categorize yourself as free or not-free?
23:24 tumeninodes wait... did I say that wardsback??? "Parts of MIT can be floated into LGPL, but not the other way around..." :P I can't remember now
23:25 tumeninodes right but, just because they are 'mostly', does not mean that it should just be considered that they 'all' are
23:27 tumeninodes so, if I take all the default textures, and make some technical tweaks, as in setting them all to greyscale, this is not something I consider my own, as no actual talent is required (just time) it is still the same textures.
23:28 tumeninodes so, if I then release said TP and just place it all under CC BY-SA, I am in fact violating the terms of the other licenses in use throughout the TP
23:28 T4im well if you combined gpl+mit you are even required to consider the whole thing gpl due to the additional restriction
23:29 T4im you sort by restriction, because you are assuming that the restrictive part is the more relevant one.. the bottleneck
23:30 T4im when you are in prison it doesn't matter if you are allowed to fly free on any airline you choose, because you simply can't use all those additional options
23:30 * T4im will only get sillier in examples
23:30 tumeninodes and that may work fine related to those two, but the fact is, media licenses are completely different.
23:31 tumeninodes T4im seems to be missing or curious about prison :D
23:31 T4im :D well, add a NC and you make it more restrictive, now you can't distribute the whole commerically anymore
23:31 T4im without stepping on the more restrictive license-toes
23:32 tumeninodes tomatoes?
23:32 T4im tomatoes*
23:33 tumeninodes I'm going to draw up a license which does not even allow someone to look at art they bought... it has to be hung by others... facing the wall... backside/out ;)
23:34 tumeninodes maybe they should not even be allowed to have the artwork in their possession... just to be ultra restrictive... kinda like Ferrari does to it's high end customers :D
23:34 tumeninodes I will call it the "UltraNO' license
23:34 T4im hehe
23:35 tumeninodes rubenwardy, also spotted as typo on contentdb
23:37 tumeninodes "Don't put promotions are advertisements in package listings, except for donation and personal website links which are permitted in the long description." Should be "Don't put promotions OR advertisements..."
23:37 tumeninodes it;s ok... I guts ur Inglish right heah
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