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01:54 roben1430 o/ Megaf
01:54 Megaf benrob0329: :D
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02:24 * Sokomine tries to drop a ship...
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08:15 tenplus1 hi folks :)
08:15 tenplus1 VanessaE: you around ?
08:17 lumberJ hey tenplus1
08:17 tenplus1 hi lumberJ :)
08:18 lumberJ If she has a relatively sane sleeping schedule she should be in bed
08:18 tenplus1 lolol
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08:20 lumberJ I would be in bed now if I wasn't working :P
08:20 tenplus1 hi Gael-de-Sailly
08:20 tenplus1 jobs are the bain of sleep :P ehe
08:21 lumberJ night jobs
08:21 lumberJ its killer
08:23 tenplus1 I couldnt do night shift... kudos to those that can... I need my sleep :P
08:24 lumberJ oh, we all need our sleep...trust me. i'm starting to go batty now that i've been doing this for 8 months or so
08:24 tenplus1 eek
08:24 lumberJ i feel like jack nicholson in the Shining
08:24 tenplus1 talking to yourself :P
08:24 lumberJ worse...irc
08:24 lumberJ :D
08:24 tenplus1 ahahaha
08:33 tenplus1 o/ bob
08:35 Bobr hiya tenplus1 new pc comming today
08:35 tenplus1 kewl :) you excited?
08:36 Bobr yeah nnot bout my bank ballance though lmao :P
08:36 lumberJ got to finance it
08:36 tenplus1 heh, the spec you got should last you a long time :)
08:36 tenplus1 and your older system can be refurbed with Xubuntu on it to make it fast again for another sue
08:37 tenplus1 *another use
08:37 Bobr im gonna dual boot it
08:37 longerstaff13-m Hello
08:38 tenplus1 sweet :)
08:38 tenplus1 hi longer o/
08:38 longerstaff13-m o/
08:39 Bobr i ordered it last night it said next day delivery
08:39 Bobr was a bit annoyed vat was 97 quid
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08:39 Bobr hiya CWz
08:39 tenplus1 hi CWz
08:39 CWz Hello
08:41 tenplus1 nssm updated with weapon fixes
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08:41 tenplus1 hi sneaky
08:41 tenplus1 heh
08:42 lumberJ though he could just sneak in and out without being noticed
08:42 tenplus1 yup :)
08:44 CWz Oh last i checked lavaflans can still destory protector_logos
08:44 CWz if they fire die on them
08:44 tenplus1 you havent updated mobs_monster... I added an air check in there a while ago
08:44 Bobr i need to update my server lol :P
08:45 tenplus1 mobs api has been updated, mobsters and animals also to work with new animation features... and nssm to use 0.4.16+ functions and new api
08:51 IcyDiamond rubenwardy: for some reason, setting y of tooltip to 0.75 still makes it be at 0 apparently
08:51 IcyDiamond idk
08:51 tenplus1 hi diamond
08:51 * tenplus1 made reactor and destroyed whole world in progress... :(
08:51 IcyDiamond hi tenplus1
08:52 IcyDiamond rubenwardy: can't use floating point coordinates for tooltip
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09:30 tenplus1 Xanadu mapfile is officially 90gb in size... erk!
09:42 lumberJ tenplus1 what percent of that is cobble?
09:42 tenplus1 heh, no clue :) we really need a way to reduce map size safely
09:42 tenplus1 !tell VanessaE https://gitlab.com/VanessaE/stained_glass/blob/master/init.lua#L292
09:42 MinetestBot tenplus1: I'll pass that on when VanessaE is around
09:43 lumberJ rm -rf .minetest
09:43 lumberJ :P
09:44 tenplus1 :PPP
09:44 tenplus1 I do have a python script that removes all map blocks that dont contain a protector or torch, but that would be overkill
09:45 lumberJ yeah, maybe
09:46 tenplus1 lol, someone just posted a youtube video on Minetest 0.4.13 :PPP
09:46 lumberJ is that the version in ubuntu repo?
09:46 tenplus1 ubuntu 16.04 has minetest 0.4.16
09:47 lumberJ "all the mods for this game are broken"
09:47 lumberJ "minetest is crap"
09:47 lumberJ :D
09:48 tenplus1 who said that ?
09:48 lumberJ i'm just making false impersonations of that video
09:48 tenplus1 heh...  default minetest doesnt contain much, but the new content daatabase will help a lot with that
09:53 lumberJ yeah, i just imagine any number of up to date mods would throw errors if you tried to run them on 0.4.13
09:55 tenplus1 most of my mods now use 0.4.16 functions, so they would have to use very old versions of those if any
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10:09 tenplus1 hi fixer
10:11 lumberJ well, time to get some stuff done. later all
10:11 tenplus1 cya
10:12 tenplus1 does anyone know how to safely shrink a mapfile ?
10:19 Fixer heelllo everyone
10:19 Fixer tenplus1: depends, what do you want to shrink?
10:20 Fixer tenplus1: there is unexplore script, that removes chunk that has no man-made blocks you specify, like torches... cobblestone, etc
10:21 tenplus1 I have the remap.py (uses mt_block_parser.py) is this the same one ?
10:23 Fixer tenplus1: yeah, probably, source was here iirc https://github.com/AndrejIT/map_unexplore
10:24 tenplus1 thx
10:27 tenplus1 wbr aven
10:28 tenplus1 er... wb Raven
10:28 Raven262 ty ten
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11:50 tenplus1 o/
11:51 IhrFussel Hey guys :) I wondered...is it 100% safe to run minetestserver while doing a world backup if I just display an error message in prejoinplayer()?
11:52 tenplus1 it tends to corrupt map file you save cause it's in use
11:52 tenplus1 sql
11:52 Mr_Pardison_ \o
11:52 IhrFussel But I mean if no one is online
11:53 IhrFussel I restart the server and prevent anyone from joining
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11:53 IhrFussel In theory no map loading/saving should happen then
11:54 IhrFussel I just want to inform my users about the backup on connect...it sounds safe in my head
11:59 rubenwardy if you use postgresql, yes
11:59 tenplus1 hi ruben...
11:59 rubenwardy you could move the map to another file
11:59 rubenwardy then do that
12:00 IhrFussel Why is it unsafe in sqlite? MT shouldn't touch the map file if nobody is online
12:01 IhrFussel I mean there should be no transactions
12:01 rubenwardy it will still make a connection to the file, and may do some cleaning up or what ever
12:01 rubenwardy so you can't rely on it
12:01 IhrFussel Unless...
12:01 rubenwardy just use postgresql or move/restart/backup/move back/restart
12:01 IhrFussel I create a new world just to display that error
12:02 rubenwardy which is what my suggestion does
12:02 rubenwardy but a new world may be better
12:02 rubenwardy easier to script in maybe
12:03 IhrFussel What are the steps to create a world from command line that MT recognizes again? I think the world folder needs a world.mt and env_meta.txt file
12:03 tenplus1 if you supply a world name that doesnt exist, doesnt it create it for you ???
12:03 rubenwardy No
12:04 rubenwardy Do             echo -e "gameid=minetest\nbackend=sqlite3” > path/to/new/world/world.mt
12:04 rubenwardy You don't need envmeta
12:09 IcyDiamond does mesecons need me to call some registration function or smth, just adding a "mesecons" table to the def doesnt seem to work
12:10 tenplus1 what ya trying to do ?
12:10 IcyDiamond make an effector
12:12 tenplus1 http://mesecons.net/developers.html <-- scroll down to effector heading
12:13 IcyDiamond i did that
12:13 IcyDiamond it doesnt work
12:13 IcyDiamond mesecons dont connect to the node nor do the callbacks ever get called
12:13 IcyDiamond but dumping the nodedef, the mesecons = {} table exists
12:13 IcyDiamond so i dont understand what im missing
12:15 tenplus1 can I see node code/
12:15 IcyDiamond ahhh okay, i misinterpreted the rules part
12:15 IcyDiamond works now
12:16 tenplus1 lol
12:26 IhrFussel Do you say "creating a world backup" or "making a world backup"?
12:27 Mr_Pardison_ IhrFussel: saving the world :P
12:27 tenplus1 heh
12:44 IhrFussel Okay should work...world has just 1 mod that rejects any connecting player, conf has same server name, port and announce
12:49 VanessaE tenplus1:
12:49 MinetestBot VanessaE: Aug-11 09:42 UTC <tenplus1> https://gitlab.com/VanessaE/stained_glass/blob/master/init.lua#L292
12:49 VanessaE ^^ isn't mine.
12:49 VanessaE it's just a fork
12:49 tenplus1 ohhh, my bad...  also hi :)
12:49 tenplus1 that was the only reason I kept the unicode groups in the dye pull
12:53 VanessaE it seems my fork is the most up-to-date though.  sofar, mind importing it from this fork?  https://github.com/andersje/stained_glass/commits/master
12:53 VanessaE that's not mine either, natch, but it's the last one where someone did anything
12:53 IcyDiamond https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=327995#p327995
12:53 IcyDiamond :)
12:53 VanessaE either way, I'm not the maintainer
12:54 tenplus1 nice one icy :)
12:56 CWz how do i change owners to a bunch of protectors at once?
12:56 tenplus1 use:   /protector_replace <original name> <new name>
12:56 tenplus1 then wander around so the abm's work in that area
12:57 CWz hmm i thinking about world edit since i only need to change some, not all
12:59 tenplus1 just the "owner" flag in meta yo need to change really, that's all the command searches for and replaes
12:59 IhrFussel WE won't work I think cause you have to modify meta...last I checked WE can't edit meta
13:04 tenplus1 if it's only some you need to change dig them up, give them to new player and let them place
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13:36 tenplus1 o/ paramat
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13:45 tenplus1 paramat: https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/2186
13:48 paramat ok thanks
13:50 tenplus1 common lately :P
13:54 xerox123 clearly marking the end of time soon
13:54 tenplus1 lol
13:55 ANAND End of time is when the Earth is eclipsed by man's foolishness
13:55 xerox123 toome_irlforme_irl
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14:13 Megaf Sokomine: I still have no rules
14:13 Megaf :P
14:14 tenplus1 hi Megaf
14:14 Megaf Hey tenplus1
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14:43 ANAND 2018-08-11 20:09:08: ERROR[Main]: https://content.minetest.net/api/packages/?type=mod&amp;type=game&amp;type=txp&amp;protocol_version=36 not found (Timeout was reached) (response code 0)
14:43 ANAND 2018-08-11 20:09:08: ERROR[Main]: Invalid JSON download
14:43 ANAND :(
14:57 rubenwardy So sad
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15:04 ANAND Would a debug build provide more info?
15:05 sfan5 no
15:05 ANAND :/
15:13 IcyDiamond https://i.lunasqu.ee/simplescreenrecorder-2018-08-11_18.12.33.webm reckon this would be possible to do in minetest?
15:13 IcyDiamond XD
15:14 tenplus1 yes, multiple formspecs
15:14 tenplus1 just need to do some trickery with button backgrounds etc
15:14 tenplus1 not the animation tho
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15:34 Krock hi tenplus1
15:35 Krock SNEAK LEVEL 100%
15:35 tenplus1 ehe hey Krock :)
15:35 tenplus1 Krock da ninja
15:36 Krock totally.
15:36 Krock I need help with a psychological/pedagogical topic. https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=328006#p328006
15:37 Krock Do they just not know about modding or is this a serious issue?
15:37 Krock I honestly struggle to find any connection between "old code" and "gun mods"
15:38 Krock okay, someone else got around trying to explain them what it's about
15:38 tenplus1 gawd, that's a 2013 advisory they are replying to... seriously ???
15:39 tenplus1 wait... ignore that
15:39 tenplus1 firefox rendered the forums wrong
15:39 tenplus1 why is it all messed up on ff ?!?!?!/!?!!
15:39 Krock heh. my account creation date is not the topic date
15:39 tenplus1 screw it, am moving to chromium full time...
15:39 tenplus1 I wasnt getting headings at all
15:40 tenplus1 and text that shoudl appear below your nick was going across the whole line
15:40 Krock works just fine here. Got however a few crashes lately due to the "hibernate" mode
15:40 * tenplus1 checks addons
15:40 tenplus1 also where is Quick Reply button ?!
15:42 ANAND It'd be nice to have a "mark as read" button for every post in "View your posts" page
15:43 tenplus1 maybe adding a post with a table containing old function -> new function etc. to help modders adapt code
15:44 ANAND ^ +1
15:44 ANAND or a wiki page for that
15:45 tenplus1 forum page with sticky post at top under mod section
15:45 tenplus1 would be seen more
15:46 Krock tenplus1: it's logged in the terminal and debug.txt anyway
15:47 tenplus1 for those who use terminal, yes
15:47 Krock am one of the rare users who always run it in gdb
15:47 tenplus1 but a quick guide to show which functions are deprecated and there replacements
15:48 Krock hmm I see
15:48 Krock I don't know about all deprecated functions either (just marked all dupes as deprecated) - and some like get_player_yaw don't have an equivalent replacement
15:49 tenplus1 get_horizontal_look ?
15:50 Krock get_look_horizontal, but yes
15:51 tenplus1 I thought that was the replacement
15:52 Krock kinda, but they're not equivalent
15:53 Krock or was it the vertical function?
15:53 Krock dunno actually
15:53 tenplus1 wait, get_player_yaw and get_look_horizontal return different values ??
15:53 tenplus1 why ?
15:54 Krock l_get_look_vertical  getRadPitch()
15:54 Krock l_get_look_yaw  getRadYawDep()
15:54 Krock l_get_look_horizontal  getRadYaw()
15:55 Krock and the pithc getter calls to getRadPitchDep
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16:19 tenplus1 wb
16:19 Mr_Pardison y ty
16:22 Krock ANAND: the 2nd issue reference feels wrong. https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/7612#issuecomment-412279322
16:22 ANAND Sorry, fixed :)
16:23 Megaf wow, I had my laptop fan running at max speed to keep it cool, then out of the blue it stopped for a second. Man, I got scared!
16:23 Megaf I though for a second my fan died
16:23 Megaf wigh high load on the CPU and GPU
16:23 Megaf That wouldn't be pretty, I just reduced the speed a bit just in case...
16:24 Megaf from 7900 to 7500 RPM
16:29 Fixer o_0
16:30 tenplus1 larger fan, slower speed :)
16:30 Mr_Pardison isn't that around the same speed as some mechanical HDD's?
16:30 tenplus1 7200rpm hdd's
16:31 Megaf It is a tiny fan... MacBook Pro fan...
16:31 tenplus1 *shudder* max
16:31 tenplus1 *mac
16:32 Megaf tenplus1: laptop disks actually spin as slow as 4800,
16:32 ANAND They're usually 5400 RPM
16:32 Megaf usually 5000 something for modern ones
16:32 Megaf that^
16:33 tenplus1 yeah, the bigger hdd heads read more at the same time so can affort to go slower :D
16:33 Megaf tho there are some insane HDDs out there that rival SSDs
16:33 Megaf and they have been around for decades
16:34 Krock Hybrid...?
16:34 Megaf nope
16:34 tenplus1 didnt WD make the raptor that ran at 10,000 rpm... crazy spinny
16:35 Krock annoying sound
16:35 Megaf 15000 RPM https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822146104&amp;ignorebbr=1&amp;cm_re=PPSSELQJVDCDVC-_-22-146-104-_-Product
16:35 tenplus1 woah!  you'd think it would shatter under the speed...
16:35 Mr_Pardison must be a very solid case and parts made of titanium.
16:36 Krock Mr_Pardison: and very lightweight
16:36 Megaf 2 ms average latency, that's lower than a lot of USB sticks...
16:36 Mr_Pardison yup.
16:37 Megaf There's many 15K RPM https://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&amp;N=100167523%20600457688&amp;IsNodeId=1&amp;bop=And&amp;Order=PRICED&amp;PageSize=36
16:38 Megaf none SANA
16:38 Megaf SATA*
16:38 Megaf all SAS
16:38 Megaf or even optical fibre...
16:38 tenplus1 m.2 drives are getting cheaper as well with the 3d memory, I read somewhere about a 500gb version that was 64 quid
16:39 Megaf This thing, no SSD can beat this https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA25V6X63397
16:39 tenplus1 woh
16:39 tenplus1 *woah!
16:39 Megaf I know SSDs can get 3 GB/s on PCI-X, but man, the HDD will keep going when the SSD had fried all it's cells
16:40 Megaf and 600 USD ofr 900GB  and that performance is quite competitive
16:40 Megaf besides, the noise that HDD makes must be an awesome noise
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16:41 Megaf 10K RPM for laptops https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIABZ053E9729
16:42 tenplus1 samsung evo m.2's hit 6gb/sec...  still doesnt beat that one...wow
16:43 Megaf HDDs can be fast tenplus1
16:43 Megaf SSDs still have a very long way to go
16:44 Megaf some SSDs seems to be very fast because they are actually two or more units connected in RAID 0
16:46 tenplus1 the more chips the better performanc
16:47 Megaf yep, then a sinle one of them fail and everything is lost
16:47 tenplus1 o/ raven
16:47 Raven262 o/
16:48 Megaf 44 USD for 500 GB ATA 7 HDD, that's a heck of a deal https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIAAEE3XR1085
16:49 paramat enough offtopic -> #minetest-chat
16:50 tenplus1 brb
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16:51 Megaf paramat: people dont seem to want to join more channels just because some people decided we can off topic here.
16:51 Megaf so whats going to happen? Will the ops just begin a mass ban?
16:54 Krock where OPs = paramat himself
17:00 paramat *sigh*
17:01 Mr_Pardison I've got -chat as one of the channels to automatically join when I connect.
17:04 Megaf (I'm not saying paramat is wrong or anything, I'm saying that most of the people here are just no willing to cooperate)
17:05 Megaf IhrFussel: I strongly recommend to shutdown the server prior backing up the map
17:05 Megaf IhrFussel: or you can do like me, I had two backups at all time, one I do lets say every week, where I shutdown the server and do a full backup, and one that runs say, daily with the server running
17:06 Megaf so I end up with MegafServer.bkp.Running.bz2 and MegafServer.bkp.Off.bz2
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17:07 Tenplus1 back
17:12 Krock wb
17:12 Tenplus1 thx, am using Xubuntu 18.10 :)
17:14 IhrFussel Megaf, I run a placeholder world that only tells players to wait for the backup to finish while I create one
17:14 Tenplus1 good idea
17:14 Tenplus1 18.10 comes with Minetest 0.4.17-1 :) yay
17:15 Megaf Tenplus1: I'm on latest Debian stable, Stretc 9.x
17:15 Megaf Stretch*
17:15 Megaf Package: minetest
17:15 Megaf Version: 0.4.15+repack2-1
17:15 Megaf oh well
17:15 Megaf maybe there's a newer version in -updates or -backports, who knows
17:15 Tenplus1 ubuntu has their own repos remember up and above debian
17:16 Megaf Yep, in Debian Backports we have
17:16 Megaf Package: minetest
17:16 Megaf Version: 0.4.17.1+repack-1~bpo9+1
17:27 Tenplus1 hrm, 45fps on intel hd 4200
17:29 Tenplus1 how old is that ?
17:29 Krock somewhere around 2005/2006
17:30 Krock "Mar 11 2005" according to wikipedia
17:31 Tenplus1 yeah entities like frames and signs really hit the fps
17:31 Tenplus1 we need hardware text on nodes
17:31 Krock no, I meant direct on-screen freetype etxt
17:31 Krock in fact, the player object was the only active entity
17:31 Tenplus1 ohh
17:32 Krock drawing text performs quite poor :/
17:33 Tenplus1 I only get a few fps more when turning off text... weird
17:49 Sokomine i do get a terrible frame rate drop on maikaumines sticks and stones server. havn't really figured out why yet
17:50 Sokomine hmm. and the shipwrecks are a mixed blessing. their half-cut masts mostly stick out of the water. which is helpful to locate them. water soon gets pretty dark
17:50 Sokomine maybe our oceans are not very stormy :)
17:52 Tenplus1 heh... hi Sokomine
17:54 Sokomine hi ten
17:55 Tenplus1 client side darkness override would be a handy feture
17:55 Tenplus1 *feature
17:59 Megaf Sokomine: I got iptable working as I want!
17:59 Megaf o////
18:00 rubenwardy Tenplus1: ctrl shift r
18:00 rubenwardy Also check no script or http everywhere
18:00 rubenwardy Renders fine for me all the time
18:01 rubenwardy Also use latest ff
18:01 Tenplus1 it is latesy
18:01 Tenplus1 disabled all plugins apart from uBlock and it's working ok
18:01 Tenplus1 was so weird
18:03 rubenwardy Probably one of them
18:26 Sokomine Megaf: congratulations :-)
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18:43 Tenplus1 hi gary
18:49 garywhite hi ten
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19:16 Tenplus1 hi miner
19:27 Tenplus1 nite all o//
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19:28 Fixer \\\o
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19:44 Krock Partyson
19:51 rdococ Party time
19:51 MinetestBot rdococ: Jul-28 13:35 UTC <xerox123_> https://pastebin.com/DvE3AeX6
19:51 rdococ Error time
19:53 * Mr_Pardison_ thwacks BillyS for daring to try and con others with a nick alike to mine
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20:16 * rdococ thwacks everyone in the room
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20:23 nerzhul wow dxvk is just amazing, i can now run the witcher 3 in ultra mode 60 fps on linux on wine
20:23 Mr_Pardison_ nerzhul: sweet.
20:35 nerzhul look at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWvyfNTzOms&amp;feature=youtu.be it's on my Linux :)
20:35 nerzhul at the end you will see my gnome desktop
20:36 nerzhul here are some howtos
20:36 nerzhul https://linuxconfig.org/improve-your-wine-gaming-on-linux-with-dxvk
20:57 Krock now I'd need some recent games to make use of dxvk..
20:59 Mr_Pardison_ Krock: This game is one that I want to get is is really interesting (several youtubers who play it and from there you can see some amazing creations). http://scrapmechanic.com/
21:00 nerzhul Krock the witcher 3 ? :p
21:02 Krock nerzhul: rather into the RTS/simulation direction
21:03 * Sokomine has successfully made several ships sink
21:08 Mr_Pardison_ explosives or sabotage? :P
21:09 Krock by design?
21:17 Sokomine digged a hole into their rump
21:18 Sokomine (according to aspiremint, one was torn apart by a kraken; sadly, the kraken is not included. another one was abandomed, and the last one fell prey to pirates)
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21:28 Mr_Pardison_ arrr!
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