Time Nick Message 00:12 * Megaf looks around 01:54 roben1430 o/ Megaf 01:54 Megaf benrob0329: :D 01:55 * Megaf fighting with iptables 02:23 * Sokomine looks at megaf and hopes his iptables rules will cooperate 02:24 * Sokomine tries to drop a ship... 08:15 tenplus1 hi folks :) 08:15 tenplus1 VanessaE: you around ? 08:17 lumberJ hey tenplus1 08:17 tenplus1 hi lumberJ :) 08:18 lumberJ If she has a relatively sane sleeping schedule she should be in bed 08:18 tenplus1 lolol 08:20 lumberJ I would be in bed now if I wasn't working :P 08:20 tenplus1 hi Gael-de-Sailly 08:20 tenplus1 jobs are the bain of sleep :P ehe 08:21 lumberJ night jobs 08:21 lumberJ its killer 08:23 tenplus1 I couldnt do night shift... kudos to those that can... I need my sleep :P 08:24 lumberJ oh, we all need our sleep...trust me. i'm starting to go batty now that i've been doing this for 8 months or so 08:24 tenplus1 eek 08:24 lumberJ i feel like jack nicholson in the Shining 08:24 tenplus1 talking to yourself :P 08:24 lumberJ worse...irc 08:24 lumberJ :D 08:24 tenplus1 ahahaha 08:33 tenplus1 o/ bob 08:35 Bobr hiya tenplus1 new pc comming today 08:35 tenplus1 kewl :) you excited? 08:36 Bobr yeah nnot bout my bank ballance though lmao :P 08:36 lumberJ got to finance it 08:36 tenplus1 heh, the spec you got should last you a long time :) 08:36 tenplus1 and your older system can be refurbed with Xubuntu on it to make it fast again for another sue 08:37 tenplus1 *another use 08:37 Bobr im gonna dual boot it 08:37 longerstaff13-m Hello 08:38 tenplus1 sweet :) 08:38 tenplus1 hi longer o/ 08:38 longerstaff13-m o/ 08:39 Bobr i ordered it last night it said next day delivery 08:39 Bobr was a bit annoyed vat was 97 quid 08:39 Bobr hiya CWz 08:39 tenplus1 hi CWz 08:39 CWz Hello 08:41 tenplus1 nssm updated with weapon fixes 08:41 tenplus1 hi sneaky 08:41 tenplus1 heh 08:42 lumberJ though he could just sneak in and out without being noticed 08:42 tenplus1 yup :) 08:44 CWz Oh last i checked lavaflans can still destory protector_logos 08:44 CWz if they fire die on them 08:44 tenplus1 you havent updated mobs_monster... I added an air check in there a while ago 08:44 Bobr i need to update my server lol :P 08:45 tenplus1 mobs api has been updated, mobsters and animals also to work with new animation features... and nssm to use 0.4.16+ functions and new api 08:51 IcyDiamond rubenwardy: for some reason, setting y of tooltip to 0.75 still makes it be at 0 apparently 08:51 IcyDiamond idk 08:51 tenplus1 hi diamond 08:51 * tenplus1 made reactor and destroyed whole world in progress... :( 08:51 IcyDiamond hi tenplus1 08:52 IcyDiamond rubenwardy: can't use floating point coordinates for tooltip 09:30 tenplus1 Xanadu mapfile is officially 90gb in size... erk! 09:42 lumberJ tenplus1 what percent of that is cobble? 09:42 tenplus1 heh, no clue :) we really need a way to reduce map size safely 09:42 tenplus1 !tell VanessaE https://gitlab.com/VanessaE/stained_glass/blob/master/init.lua#L292 09:42 MinetestBot tenplus1: I'll pass that on when VanessaE is around 09:43 lumberJ rm -rf .minetest 09:43 lumberJ :P 09:44 tenplus1 :PPP 09:44 tenplus1 I do have a python script that removes all map blocks that dont contain a protector or torch, but that would be overkill 09:45 lumberJ yeah, maybe 09:46 tenplus1 lol, someone just posted a youtube video on Minetest 0.4.13 :PPP 09:46 lumberJ is that the version in ubuntu repo? 09:46 tenplus1 ubuntu 16.04 has minetest 0.4.16 09:47 lumberJ "all the mods for this game are broken" 09:47 lumberJ "minetest is crap" 09:47 lumberJ :D 09:48 tenplus1 who said that ? 09:48 lumberJ i'm just making false impersonations of that video 09:48 tenplus1 heh... default minetest doesnt contain much, but the new content daatabase will help a lot with that 09:53 lumberJ yeah, i just imagine any number of up to date mods would throw errors if you tried to run them on 0.4.13 09:55 tenplus1 most of my mods now use 0.4.16 functions, so they would have to use very old versions of those if any 10:09 tenplus1 hi fixer 10:11 lumberJ well, time to get some stuff done. later all 10:11 tenplus1 cya 10:12 tenplus1 does anyone know how to safely shrink a mapfile ? 10:19 Fixer heelllo everyone 10:19 Fixer tenplus1: depends, what do you want to shrink? 10:20 Fixer tenplus1: there is unexplore script, that removes chunk that has no man-made blocks you specify, like torches... cobblestone, etc 10:21 tenplus1 I have the remap.py (uses mt_block_parser.py) is this the same one ? 10:23 Fixer tenplus1: yeah, probably, source was here iirc https://github.com/AndrejIT/map_unexplore 10:24 tenplus1 thx 10:27 tenplus1 wbr aven 10:28 tenplus1 er... wb Raven 10:28 Raven262 ty ten 11:50 tenplus1 o/ 11:51 IhrFussel Hey guys :) I wondered...is it 100% safe to run minetestserver while doing a world backup if I just display an error message in prejoinplayer()? 11:52 tenplus1 it tends to corrupt map file you save cause it's in use 11:52 tenplus1 sql 11:52 Mr_Pardison_ \o 11:52 IhrFussel But I mean if no one is online 11:53 IhrFussel I restart the server and prevent anyone from joining 11:53 IhrFussel In theory no map loading/saving should happen then 11:54 IhrFussel I just want to inform my users about the backup on connect...it sounds safe in my head 11:59 rubenwardy if you use postgresql, yes 11:59 tenplus1 hi ruben... 11:59 rubenwardy you could move the map to another file 11:59 rubenwardy then do that 12:00 IhrFussel Why is it unsafe in sqlite? MT shouldn't touch the map file if nobody is online 12:01 IhrFussel I mean there should be no transactions 12:01 rubenwardy it will still make a connection to the file, and may do some cleaning up or what ever 12:01 rubenwardy so you can't rely on it 12:01 IhrFussel Unless... 12:01 rubenwardy just use postgresql or move/restart/backup/move back/restart 12:01 IhrFussel I create a new world just to display that error 12:02 rubenwardy which is what my suggestion does 12:02 rubenwardy but a new world may be better 12:02 rubenwardy easier to script in maybe 12:03 IhrFussel What are the steps to create a world from command line that MT recognizes again? I think the world folder needs a world.mt and env_meta.txt file 12:03 tenplus1 if you supply a world name that doesnt exist, doesnt it create it for you ??? 12:03 rubenwardy No 12:04 rubenwardy Do echo -e "gameid=minetest\nbackend=sqlite3” > path/to/new/world/world.mt 12:04 rubenwardy You don't need envmeta 12:09 IcyDiamond does mesecons need me to call some registration function or smth, just adding a "mesecons" table to the def doesnt seem to work 12:10 tenplus1 what ya trying to do ? 12:10 IcyDiamond make an effector 12:12 tenplus1 http://mesecons.net/developers.html <-- scroll down to effector heading 12:13 IcyDiamond i did that 12:13 IcyDiamond it doesnt work 12:13 IcyDiamond mesecons dont connect to the node nor do the callbacks ever get called 12:13 IcyDiamond but dumping the nodedef, the mesecons = {} table exists 12:13 IcyDiamond so i dont understand what im missing 12:15 tenplus1 can I see node code/ 12:15 IcyDiamond ahhh okay, i misinterpreted the rules part 12:15 IcyDiamond works now 12:16 tenplus1 lol 12:26 IhrFussel Do you say "creating a world backup" or "making a world backup"? 12:27 Mr_Pardison_ IhrFussel: saving the world :P 12:27 tenplus1 heh 12:44 IhrFussel Okay should work...world has just 1 mod that rejects any connecting player, conf has same server name, port and announce 12:49 VanessaE tenplus1: 12:49 MinetestBot VanessaE: Aug-11 09:42 UTC https://gitlab.com/VanessaE/stained_glass/blob/master/init.lua#L292 12:49 VanessaE ^^ isn't mine. 12:49 VanessaE it's just a fork 12:49 tenplus1 ohhh, my bad... also hi :) 12:49 tenplus1 that was the only reason I kept the unicode groups in the dye pull 12:53 VanessaE it seems my fork is the most up-to-date though. sofar, mind importing it from this fork? https://github.com/andersje/stained_glass/commits/master 12:53 VanessaE that's not mine either, natch, but it's the last one where someone did anything 12:53 IcyDiamond https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=327995#p327995 12:53 IcyDiamond :) 12:53 VanessaE either way, I'm not the maintainer 12:54 tenplus1 nice one icy :) 12:56 CWz how do i change owners to a bunch of protectors at once? 12:56 tenplus1 use: /protector_replace 12:56 tenplus1 then wander around so the abm's work in that area 12:57 CWz hmm i thinking about world edit since i only need to change some, not all 12:59 tenplus1 just the "owner" flag in meta yo need to change really, that's all the command searches for and replaes 12:59 IhrFussel WE won't work I think cause you have to modify meta...last I checked WE can't edit meta 13:04 tenplus1 if it's only some you need to change dig them up, give them to new player and let them place 13:36 tenplus1 o/ paramat 13:45 tenplus1 paramat: https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/2186 13:48 paramat ok thanks 13:50 tenplus1 common lately :P 13:54 xerox123 clearly marking the end of time soon 13:54 tenplus1 lol 13:55 ANAND End of time is when the Earth is eclipsed by man's foolishness 13:55 xerox123 toome_irlforme_irl 14:13 Megaf Sokomine: I still have no rules 14:13 Megaf :P 14:14 tenplus1 hi Megaf 14:14 Megaf Hey tenplus1 14:43 ANAND 2018-08-11 20:09:08: ERROR[Main]: https://content.minetest.net/api/packages/?type=mod&type=game&type=txp&protocol_version=36 not found (Timeout was reached) (response code 0) 14:43 ANAND 2018-08-11 20:09:08: ERROR[Main]: Invalid JSON download 14:43 ANAND :( 14:57 rubenwardy So sad 15:04 ANAND Would a debug build provide more info? 15:05 sfan5 no 15:05 ANAND :/ 15:13 IcyDiamond https://i.lunasqu.ee/simplescreenrecorder-2018-08-11_18.12.33.webm reckon this would be possible to do in minetest? 15:13 IcyDiamond XD 15:14 tenplus1 yes, multiple formspecs 15:14 tenplus1 just need to do some trickery with button backgrounds etc 15:14 tenplus1 not the animation tho 15:34 Krock hi tenplus1 15:35 Krock SNEAK LEVEL 100% 15:35 tenplus1 ehe hey Krock :) 15:35 tenplus1 Krock da ninja 15:36 Krock totally. 15:36 Krock I need help with a psychological/pedagogical topic. https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=328006#p328006 15:37 Krock Do they just not know about modding or is this a serious issue? 15:37 Krock I honestly struggle to find any connection between "old code" and "gun mods" 15:38 Krock okay, someone else got around trying to explain them what it's about 15:38 tenplus1 gawd, that's a 2013 advisory they are replying to... seriously ??? 15:39 tenplus1 wait... ignore that 15:39 tenplus1 firefox rendered the forums wrong 15:39 tenplus1 why is it all messed up on ff ?!?!?!/!?!! 15:39 Krock heh. my account creation date is not the topic date 15:39 tenplus1 screw it, am moving to chromium full time... 15:39 tenplus1 I wasnt getting headings at all 15:40 tenplus1 and text that shoudl appear below your nick was going across the whole line 15:40 Krock works just fine here. Got however a few crashes lately due to the "hibernate" mode 15:40 * tenplus1 checks addons 15:40 tenplus1 also where is Quick Reply button ?! 15:42 ANAND It'd be nice to have a "mark as read" button for every post in "View your posts" page 15:43 tenplus1 maybe adding a post with a table containing old function -> new function etc. to help modders adapt code 15:44 ANAND ^ +1 15:44 ANAND or a wiki page for that 15:45 tenplus1 forum page with sticky post at top under mod section 15:45 tenplus1 would be seen more 15:46 Krock tenplus1: it's logged in the terminal and debug.txt anyway 15:47 tenplus1 for those who use terminal, yes 15:47 Krock am one of the rare users who always run it in gdb 15:47 tenplus1 but a quick guide to show which functions are deprecated and there replacements 15:48 Krock hmm I see 15:48 Krock I don't know about all deprecated functions either (just marked all dupes as deprecated) - and some like get_player_yaw don't have an equivalent replacement 15:49 tenplus1 get_horizontal_look ? 15:50 Krock get_look_horizontal, but yes 15:51 tenplus1 I thought that was the replacement 15:52 Krock kinda, but they're not equivalent 15:53 Krock or was it the vertical function? 15:53 Krock dunno actually 15:53 tenplus1 wait, get_player_yaw and get_look_horizontal return different values ?? 15:53 tenplus1 why ? 15:54 Krock l_get_look_vertical getRadPitch() 15:54 Krock l_get_look_yaw getRadYawDep() 15:54 Krock l_get_look_horizontal getRadYaw() 15:55 Krock and the pithc getter calls to getRadPitchDep 16:19 tenplus1 wb 16:19 Mr_Pardison y ty 16:22 Krock ANAND: the 2nd issue reference feels wrong. https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/7612#issuecomment-412279322 16:22 ANAND Sorry, fixed :) 16:23 Megaf wow, I had my laptop fan running at max speed to keep it cool, then out of the blue it stopped for a second. Man, I got scared! 16:23 Megaf I though for a second my fan died 16:23 Megaf wigh high load on the CPU and GPU 16:23 Megaf That wouldn't be pretty, I just reduced the speed a bit just in case... 16:24 Megaf from 7900 to 7500 RPM 16:29 Fixer o_0 16:30 tenplus1 larger fan, slower speed :) 16:30 Mr_Pardison isn't that around the same speed as some mechanical HDD's? 16:30 tenplus1 7200rpm hdd's 16:31 Megaf It is a tiny fan... MacBook Pro fan... 16:31 tenplus1 *shudder* max 16:31 tenplus1 *mac 16:32 Megaf tenplus1: laptop disks actually spin as slow as 4800, 16:32 ANAND They're usually 5400 RPM 16:32 Megaf usually 5000 something for modern ones 16:32 Megaf that^ 16:33 tenplus1 yeah, the bigger hdd heads read more at the same time so can affort to go slower :D 16:33 Megaf tho there are some insane HDDs out there that rival SSDs 16:33 Megaf and they have been around for decades 16:34 Krock Hybrid...? 16:34 Megaf nope 16:34 tenplus1 didnt WD make the raptor that ran at 10,000 rpm... crazy spinny 16:35 Krock annoying sound 16:35 Megaf 15000 RPM https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822146104&ignorebbr=1&cm_re=PPSSELQJVDCDVC-_-22-146-104-_-Product 16:35 tenplus1 woah! you'd think it would shatter under the speed... 16:35 Mr_Pardison must be a very solid case and parts made of titanium. 16:36 Krock Mr_Pardison: and very lightweight 16:36 Megaf 2 ms average latency, that's lower than a lot of USB sticks... 16:36 Mr_Pardison yup. 16:37 Megaf There's many 15K RPM https://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100167523%20600457688&IsNodeId=1&bop=And&Order=PRICED&PageSize=36 16:38 Megaf none SANA 16:38 Megaf SATA* 16:38 Megaf all SAS 16:38 Megaf or even optical fibre... 16:38 tenplus1 m.2 drives are getting cheaper as well with the 3d memory, I read somewhere about a 500gb version that was 64 quid 16:39 Megaf This thing, no SSD can beat this https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA25V6X63397 16:39 tenplus1 woh 16:39 tenplus1 *woah! 16:39 Megaf I know SSDs can get 3 GB/s on PCI-X, but man, the HDD will keep going when the SSD had fried all it's cells 16:40 Megaf and 600 USD ofr 900GB and that performance is quite competitive 16:40 Megaf besides, the noise that HDD makes must be an awesome noise 16:41 Megaf 10K RPM for laptops https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIABZ053E9729 16:42 tenplus1 samsung evo m.2's hit 6gb/sec... still doesnt beat that one...wow 16:43 Megaf HDDs can be fast tenplus1 16:43 Megaf SSDs still have a very long way to go 16:44 Megaf some SSDs seems to be very fast because they are actually two or more units connected in RAID 0 16:46 tenplus1 the more chips the better performanc 16:47 Megaf yep, then a sinle one of them fail and everything is lost 16:47 tenplus1 o/ raven 16:47 Raven262 o/ 16:48 Megaf 44 USD for 500 GB ATA 7 HDD, that's a heck of a deal https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIAAEE3XR1085 16:49 paramat enough offtopic -> #minetest-chat 16:50 tenplus1 brb 16:51 Megaf paramat: people dont seem to want to join more channels just because some people decided we can off topic here. 16:51 Megaf so whats going to happen? Will the ops just begin a mass ban? 16:54 Krock where OPs = paramat himself 17:00 paramat *sigh* 17:01 Mr_Pardison I've got -chat as one of the channels to automatically join when I connect. 17:04 Megaf (I'm not saying paramat is wrong or anything, I'm saying that most of the people here are just no willing to cooperate) 17:05 Megaf IhrFussel: I strongly recommend to shutdown the server prior backing up the map 17:05 Megaf IhrFussel: or you can do like me, I had two backups at all time, one I do lets say every week, where I shutdown the server and do a full backup, and one that runs say, daily with the server running 17:06 Megaf so I end up with MegafServer.bkp.Running.bz2 and MegafServer.bkp.Off.bz2 17:07 Tenplus1 back 17:12 Krock wb 17:12 Tenplus1 thx, am using Xubuntu 18.10 :) 17:14 IhrFussel Megaf, I run a placeholder world that only tells players to wait for the backup to finish while I create one 17:14 Tenplus1 good idea 17:14 Tenplus1 18.10 comes with Minetest 0.4.17-1 :) yay 17:15 Megaf Tenplus1: I'm on latest Debian stable, Stretc 9.x 17:15 Megaf Stretch* 17:15 Megaf Package: minetest 17:15 Megaf Version: 0.4.15+repack2-1 17:15 Megaf oh well 17:15 Megaf maybe there's a newer version in -updates or -backports, who knows 17:15 Tenplus1 ubuntu has their own repos remember up and above debian 17:16 Megaf Yep, in Debian Backports we have 17:16 Megaf Package: minetest 17:16 Megaf Version: 0.4.17.1+repack-1~bpo9+1 17:27 Tenplus1 hrm, 45fps on intel hd 4200 17:29 Tenplus1 how old is that ? 17:29 Krock somewhere around 2005/2006 17:30 Krock "Mar 11 2005" according to wikipedia 17:31 Tenplus1 yeah entities like frames and signs really hit the fps 17:31 Tenplus1 we need hardware text on nodes 17:31 Krock no, I meant direct on-screen freetype etxt 17:31 Krock in fact, the player object was the only active entity 17:31 Tenplus1 ohh 17:32 Krock drawing text performs quite poor :/ 17:33 Tenplus1 I only get a few fps more when turning off text... weird 17:49 Sokomine i do get a terrible frame rate drop on maikaumines sticks and stones server. havn't really figured out why yet 17:50 Sokomine hmm. and the shipwrecks are a mixed blessing. their half-cut masts mostly stick out of the water. which is helpful to locate them. water soon gets pretty dark 17:50 Sokomine maybe our oceans are not very stormy :) 17:52 Tenplus1 heh... hi Sokomine 17:54 Sokomine hi ten 17:55 Tenplus1 client side darkness override would be a handy feture 17:55 Tenplus1 *feature 17:59 Megaf Sokomine: I got iptable working as I want! 17:59 Megaf o//// 18:00 rubenwardy Tenplus1: ctrl shift r 18:00 rubenwardy Also check no script or http everywhere 18:00 rubenwardy Renders fine for me all the time 18:01 rubenwardy Also use latest ff 18:01 Tenplus1 it is latesy 18:01 Tenplus1 disabled all plugins apart from uBlock and it's working ok 18:01 Tenplus1 was so weird 18:03 rubenwardy Probably one of them 18:26 Sokomine Megaf: congratulations :-) 18:43 Tenplus1 hi gary 18:49 garywhite hi ten 19:16 Tenplus1 hi miner 19:27 Tenplus1 nite all o// 19:28 Fixer \\\o 19:44 Krock Partyson 19:51 rdococ Party time 19:51 MinetestBot rdococ: Jul-28 13:35 UTC https://pastebin.com/DvE3AeX6 19:51 rdococ Error time 19:53 * Mr_Pardison_ thwacks BillyS for daring to try and con others with a nick alike to mine 20:12 * BillyS slaps Mr_Pardison_ because why not 20:16 * rdococ thwacks everyone in the room 20:23 nerzhul wow dxvk is just amazing, i can now run the witcher 3 in ultra mode 60 fps on linux on wine 20:23 Mr_Pardison_ nerzhul: sweet. 20:35 nerzhul look at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWvyfNTzOms&feature=youtu.be it's on my Linux :) 20:35 nerzhul at the end you will see my gnome desktop 20:36 nerzhul here are some howtos 20:36 nerzhul https://linuxconfig.org/improve-your-wine-gaming-on-linux-with-dxvk 20:57 Krock now I'd need some recent games to make use of dxvk.. 20:59 Mr_Pardison_ Krock: This game is one that I want to get is is really interesting (several youtubers who play it and from there you can see some amazing creations). http://scrapmechanic.com/ 21:00 nerzhul Krock the witcher 3 ? :p 21:02 Krock nerzhul: rather into the RTS/simulation direction 21:03 * Sokomine has successfully made several ships sink 21:08 Mr_Pardison_ explosives or sabotage? :P 21:09 Krock by design? 21:17 Sokomine digged a hole into their rump 21:18 Sokomine (according to aspiremint, one was torn apart by a kraken; sadly, the kraken is not included. another one was abandomed, and the last one fell prey to pirates) 21:28 Mr_Pardison_ arrr!