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00:01 paramat rubenwardy , KGM's reply :) https://github.com/KaiGerdMueller/minetest-bot-collection/issues/1#issuecomment-404511273
00:25 IhrFussel {Main} (13/07/18 02:22:34) [DanTheGuy]: When I delete blocks ít says hacker you
00:26 IhrFussel Broken 3rd-party client app? ^
00:26 red-001 paramat, wonder what would happen if you reported it to github
00:28 paramat yeah i wondered if it would go against github rules, but we might be able to apply pressure other ways first
00:28 IhrFussel ^ ^ happens with all nodes the player says ... possibly digging the air node in front of the real ones?
00:29 xerox123_ PLZ PLZ PLZ Make youtube video if you like my bot :{ )
00:29 paramat 'delete blocks' = digging nodes?
00:29 paramat lol
00:29 xerox123_ XD
00:29 IhrFussel Yes there is no other way for him to delete nodes...has no WE or similar
00:30 paramat yes the 'you hacker you' is due to having air or ignore in inventory
00:30 red-001 ^
00:31 paramat maybe a hacked or weird client
00:34 IhrFussel He receives invisible nodes so it's pretty much confirmed now
00:34 IhrFussel Can air/ignore be placed?
00:34 red-001 no
00:35 IhrFussel Ok good then the worst that can happen is him having the inventory full of invisible nodes ... do air/ignore nodes stack to 99?
00:35 * red-001 ¯_(ツ)_/¯
00:39 IhrFussel How can that happen though? I thought all app devs pretty much do is adding ad banner somewhere in the code + possibly some paywall for certain privs
00:40 IhrFussel Them touching the dig code is weird
00:40 paramat they do much more than that, some will hack anything they can
00:41 IhrFussel But it's definitely an app from the App Store (iOS)
00:43 paramat so?
00:43 paramat maybe just a buggy app
00:58 IhrFussel alt-account on same IP "I'm not xyz I'm her friend"
01:00 IhrFussel The "friend" certainly doesn't live in the same household/share the same device
01:01 IhrFussel Off for today, see ya =)
01:08 paramat KGM is such a dick :)
01:14 red-001 paramat, huh?
01:17 paramat like, generally :)
01:17 red-001 paramat, by exploits they mean viruses, rootkits and the like
01:18 red-001 not really applicable
01:18 paramat yes i suspected that
01:18 red-001 technically cheating software might fall under some computer misuse legislation
01:19 red-001 if you really stretch it that is
01:20 paramat yes, edited
01:21 red-001 paramat, how old did he say he was anyways?
01:21 red-001 github can't let people under 13 have accounts because US law
01:22 paramat not sure but someone said around early teens
01:23 red-001 wonder how strongly that is enforced
01:24 red-001 would be somewhat funny if someone para-phrasing "I wasn't born yesterday" required support to intervene
01:26 red-001 paramat, does him having a bot on his account really change much?
01:28 paramat i'm not asking them to be removed
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02:47 ANAND Shara: Rexism8 has probably come to CTF too
02:47 ANAND https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/447819018028449793/467106993627201537/Screenshot_2018-07-12-18-15-02.png
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03:11 paramat *sigh*
03:18 ANAND Isn't/Shouldn't chat messages (be) limited to a certain number of characters?
03:19 ANAND I also don't think the spammer is literally counting all the spaces to correctly align the text to the next line
03:20 ANAND Or are they? o_O
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06:12 ANAND Server owners and staff, look out for players with the name "AyyLMAO" and "Rexism8" (probably the same person). They spammed for hours in CTF saying "HEIL HITLER" and "I LIKE JEWS". From what I've heard, they've been to a few other servers and spammed the same way.
06:14 ANAND They also do some black-magic to hide their name in the game chat, but it's clearly visible on IRC and Discord.
06:15 ANAND I'm going to mess around with the "space-glitch" to see how it works... :D
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08:56 Krock hi *
08:56 ANAND o/
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13:05 tumeninodes rubenwardy: thpltpltpltpltpltplt.... :D
13:06 tumeninodes ^ that's how I spell a raspberry
13:11 Krock tumeninodes: too much water in your mouth
13:23 tumeninodes that's not water..., it's salt
13:27 Krock https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/021/971/Salt-Bae-001.jpg
13:28 tumeninodes hahahaha
13:28 tumeninodes just a pinch
14:18 Krock VanessaE: FYI the GitHub link is dead. https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=183937#p183937
14:32 VanessaE fixed.
14:42 tumeninodes does anyone know, if the directional lighting work KaadmY did a while back will work with 0.4.17.1 and/or 5.0.0?
14:59 Krock it was written for 0.5.0-dev, so it'll still work (might need some rebasing)
15:01 tumeninodes oh, excellent. thank you
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15:17 IhrFussel To check if hitter and player are not the same is obsolete inside punchplayer() correct?
15:20 Krock in my last incompatible CAO version testing the player should still hit themselves
15:20 Krock it's also required on your server because the luckyblock uses player:punch(player, ..)
15:25 rubenwardy Players can punch themselves
15:25 rubenwardy So hes
15:25 rubenwardy CHeck that
15:27 IhrFussel Ahh now I see why I wrote that in the past... I just revisited my PvP code to optimize it
15:27 Fixer one more dead PR
15:28 BillyS Hmm, VE-S seems to have died
15:28 BillyS I wonder if VE took it down
15:50 tumeninodes I'm not sure how to go from here. I have never pulled from someone else's repo before, it's my first time..., be gentle :D  https://pastebin.com/vuJzk5e6
15:52 Krock 1) look out for the file which is listed as "CONFLICT" 2) edit the conflicting parts so that it works (Ctrl + F for "======") 3) commit the changes 4) continue
15:53 tumeninodes I'll give it a whack, thanks
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17:01 rubenwardy What skin mods support sfinv?
17:01 rubenwardy I saw one on homeland
17:02 xerox123 https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=17899
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17:49 BillyS Do bad things happen if I kill -9 minetest during a clearobjects?
17:51 rubenwardy Probably
17:55 BillyS *sigh*
17:57 IhrFussel I prevent myself from running /clearobjects without quick added in case you ran it by accident
17:57 IhrFussel Just add if param == "" then return true end in the command function
17:58 Krock BillyS: especially because it's Friday 13th
17:59 BillyS Krock: Yeah, it's a great day to get your roof replaced. :P
17:59 Krock BillyS: uh well, I have a local copy of the superior roof
18:00 Krock or of my entire lawn to be precise
18:00 IhrFussel WE should've changed its clear command... just forget ONE slash and the server is busy for a while
18:00 Krock you're maybe a bit jealous because it's one of the actual natural/regular looking houses on your server :P
18:01 Krock IhrFussel:  -> PR
18:02 Sokomine Krock: which one? where?
18:03 Krock Sokomine: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=20416 1st image
18:03 IhrFussel Nice random generated username "Gaylord[0-9]{3,4}"
18:03 Krock ofc it's the cobble hut behind the small farm
18:04 Krock but well, cobble looks quite weird in that combination
18:04 Krock s/cobble/gravel/
18:23 tumeninodes ok..., I shan't be messing with shading today :D
18:25 tumeninodes resolved conflicts, got everything running... saw no results... hmmmm. I'll try again another time. I just wanted to see the results for myself (I never checked it out)
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18:27 tumeninodes and everything I start to work on the past few days, I lose interest quickly. I go through these bouts every now and again
18:29 Sokomine krock: that park looks nice
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18:30 Sokomine krock: there are only few exceptions when cobble looks ok
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18:31 tumeninodes has anyone else had flickering issues with their player model? (light flickering)
18:31 Sokomine not really. just looks absolutely strange when inside another player
18:32 tumeninodes nah, this is from 3rd person views.., I've noticed it elswhere as well... so maybe it's something self inflicted
18:46 Krock Sokomine: thanks for the feedback. I do know right that cobble might look nice in a few places, for example when mixing different stone types
18:57 tumeninodes YES!!!! https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=20468&p=325264#p325264
18:57 tumeninodes !title
18:57 MinetestBot tumeninodes: [mod] Infinity gauntlet [infinity_gauntlet] (v0.1) - Minetest Forums
18:59 Krock is this a thanos reference?
19:02 tumeninodes hmmmm, he may want to slap a disclaimer on that bad boy haha
19:03 rubenwardy Thanos is overhyped
19:04 tumeninodes He's not much without that mitten, that;s for sure
19:04 rubenwardy The best marvel villan is Killgrave
19:04 rubenwardy Objectively
19:05 tumeninodes that would have been so much better... 'the Infinity Mitten'
19:05 tumeninodes when I was a kid, it was Galactus
19:06 tumeninodes so many have come along since I was kinda into it all
19:08 rubenwardy Although killgrave has made doctor who unwatchable
19:08 rubenwardy Killgrave is a funny way to spell morefat
19:09 rubenwardy Jeesiccccaa
19:11 tumeninodes I gave up when Ragnarok came out... I was actually pissed over that. But Infinity War made up for it... kinda
19:13 tumeninodes Ragnarok could've/should've been one of the most epic movies from Marvel... they blew it, and it blew chunks
19:20 rubenwardy wasn't that bad
19:20 rubenwardy wasn't that good
19:39 tumeninodes let's face it... it just .... "wasn't" :D
19:40 tumeninodes I mean, I 'get it'.., the idea for them is to make as much $ as they can and, that is the sort of crap society likes...
19:40 tumeninodes everything has to be slapstick and goofy
19:40 tumeninodes constant sarcasm
19:41 tumeninodes they could just make 50 more complete remakes of spiderman, etc... and society would still eat it up
19:42 tumeninodes afk for a few
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20:43 nore Krock: btw, feel free to merge the pipeworks PR
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21:00 Krock nore: thanks for the feedback. will do so
21:21 IhrFussel My cheap smartphone just received a software update...I didn't know that the manufacturer would care enough to push updates to it
21:21 IhrFussel It's a $65 phone and the update is huge (550 MB)
21:24 Sokomine IhrFussel: that's very odd. when did you buy the phone?
21:25 IhrFussel It isn't old (released 2017), just cheap and I thought manufacturers would only care about their flagship devices
21:27 Sokomine well, that's good. now, if you can root it, it may even be a decent defice - even if it was cheap
21:30 rubenwardy :D
21:30 rubenwardy with treble, you'll get faster Android updates
21:31 rubenwardy as the manufactorers won't need to do so many hacks
21:31 rubenwardy well
21:31 rubenwardy all their hacks will be in one place rather than scattered around
21:31 rubenwardy so it should be as simple as compiling the new SDK + testing
21:31 rubenwardy right ?
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21:32 IhrFussel Can 550 MB just be security updates? The change log is empty for some reason
21:42 rubenwardy perfectly possible if it's a new kernel image and such
21:44 sfan5 kernel updates are not half a gigabyte, especially not on embedded devices
21:49 IhrFussel 550 MB *before* extracting ... when I download the update from their website it is 1.3 GB
21:50 rubenwardy well, there's definitely going to be a lot of changes there
21:50 rubenwardy how about seeing if it looks different
21:50 IhrFussel Update finished now, sadly it's still Android 7.0 :P
21:50 rubenwardy and checking the version number
21:50 rubenwardy lol
21:50 rubenwardy nougat
21:51 IhrFussel About phone now mentions "state of security updates" May 5 2018 it was September 2017 before
21:52 rubenwardy on my work computer, the android folder is about 60GB
21:52 rubenwardy I think
21:52 garywhite How do you have a 60GB android folder?
21:52 rubenwardy that's sources and build directories. It's insane
21:52 rubenwardy garywhite: Android is big
21:52 IhrFussel Kernel Version 3.18.35+ (Jun 4 2018)
21:52 rubenwardy ew
21:53 garywhite ik, on my phone Android is about 6GB
21:53 rubenwardy garywhite: I work on the Android OS
21:53 rubenwardy so that includes all the tools need to build Android and test it
21:53 rubenwardy and all the sources
21:53 rubenwardy and the built images
21:54 rubenwardy I've spent the entirety of today writing assembly
21:54 rubenwardy and last few days reading it
21:54 rubenwardy such fun
21:54 garywhite oh, now it makes sense
21:55 tumeninodes for Android, the Google apps are ridiculously huge
21:55 tumeninodes and they just keep growing, and growing
21:56 rubenwardy thing is, git doesn't scale very well so you can't use it to version the android sources
21:56 rubenwardy instead you use a tool called repo which manages a ton of git repos
21:56 rubenwardy it took about an hour to download all the AOSP sources on a 100 Mbps connection
21:57 tumeninodes 0_0
21:58 rubenwardy here's the repo manifest: https://android.googlesource.com/platform/manifest/+/master/default.xml
21:58 rubenwardy it's a list of all the repositories needed
21:58 tumeninodes too bad they won't splurge on some team of wizards to greatly reduce the fluff which has built up within the OS and their apps
21:58 rubenwardy ctrl+f = 651
21:59 rubenwardy phone storage increases
21:59 tumeninodes What?
21:59 rubenwardy the sort of people that do app development have the latest phones
21:59 rubenwardy for example, at work we use Pixel 2s
21:59 rubenwardy so they're sheltered from low end phones
22:00 rubenwardy the amount of space in the latest top phone increases every year
22:00 rubenwardy and so does app size
22:00 tumeninodes I still have an HTC 710c, and I still love it
22:00 rubenwardy also, worth noting that it's the OEM that adds a lot of the bloat anyway
22:01 IhrFussel rubenwardy, is Android 7.0 relatively safe still? Or has it lots of exploits/bugs already?
22:01 rubenwardy newer versions will probably be safer. Less kernel bugs
22:01 rubenwardy 8.0 is the newest
22:01 rubenwardy 9.0 (P) coming in the next month
22:02 rubenwardy ( ^ guess )
22:02 tumeninodes I really wish they had remained with sense ummm, forget the ver # and not gone 100% retro... I don't like it
22:02 rubenwardy ?
22:03 IhrFussel Well since I likely cannot root this phone (almost nobody owns it and will create a tutorial for that) I depend on whatever Wiko is shipping... my old phone had 4.4.2 in 2015
22:03 tumeninodes sorry, HTC
22:03 garywhite IhrFussel: I was stuck with 4.4 in 2017 until I got my new phone with 7.0
22:04 tumeninodes heh I have Android 5.0.2 and HTC sense 6.0 (the yucky icky retro sense)
22:04 rubenwardy that sucks
22:05 rubenwardy by retro, are you talking about a home screen?
22:05 tumeninodes yes the entire UI
22:05 rubenwardy heh
22:05 rubenwardy you can get home screen apps
22:05 rubenwardy I use Evie
22:05 tumeninodes it's bogus and fugly
22:05 rubenwardy remember that the vanilla one is an app anyway
22:06 tumeninodes I tried Evie a short while back... meh
22:06 rubenwardy there's also Novo launcha
22:06 IhrFussel paramat will kill us btw xP
22:06 IhrFussel With his Anti-Offtopic-Lazer-Goggles
22:07 tumeninodes for talking about how MTG runs on Android> 0_o
22:07 * rubenwardy sets ban on *!*@unaffiliated/paramat
22:07 rubenwardy there we are
22:08 tumeninodes that'll come back to bite you in the astronomy
22:09 tumeninodes my old HTC 3devo Android 4.0.3 and sense 3.6 still have that too and still love the over all look more than today's garbage
22:09 rubenwardy brand and guarantee of quality
22:10 rubenwardy not sure I'd qualify those as ok specs ;)
22:10 rubenwardy also, the relationship been clock speed and quality is non-linear
22:11 rubenwardy also
22:11 rubenwardy > I wonder how they can offer ....
22:11 rubenwardy people buy them
22:11 IhrFussel I have yet to find an app that doesn't run on it to be honest...of course it won't be able to manage 60 fps in 3D games, but for that price I'm kinda impressed
22:11 rubenwardy for me it's not an issue of will it run, but will it run well
22:12 tumeninodes for me..., it's "how often can I just forget it at home, and not be chained too it, and everyone on the other end"
22:13 rubenwardy sounds like you need Shara's phone then
22:13 Shara :D
22:13 tumeninodes cellphones > smartphones have caused more decay than progress, regardless of how much they progress in tech
22:14 tumeninodes haha, we've spoken on the subject before... mostly on the same page
22:14 IhrFussel I remember my first phone ever (~ 2001)... Nokia 3310 ... snake was pretty fun xP
22:15 tumeninodes snake... was... epic
22:16 IhrFussel The original was yep...but not the modern clones of it IMO lol
22:17 tumeninodes https://imgur.com/a/vWKlQNM  my first ever cell phone and I still have it, I took that pic
22:18 * Sokomine places an old google g1 phone in front of rubenwardy and looks happily :-)
22:18 tumeninodes has (or had) the good ole motorola walkie-talkie feature
22:19 rubenwardy oo
22:19 rubenwardy can I have that ,Sokomine?
22:19 rubenwardy XD
22:19 rubenwardy They're a collectors item1
22:19 rubenwardy actually worth something, iirc
22:21 Sokomine rubenwardy: no, sorry. it's still working as a night clock and alarm clock
22:21 Sokomine even used it as a phone last year because my more modern one is too big for my hands :-(. the old g1 was nice
22:22 rubenwardy :D
22:22 Sokomine i'd sleep over without it :-) and i still prefer its shape
22:23 rubenwardy actually, they're not that expensiv
22:23 Sokomine that ancient version of anrdoid had an app that allowed to turn the screen into red and eliminiate all other colors. that's extremly convenient at night when a too bright light would be annoying
22:23 rubenwardy nice
22:23 Sokomine well, then, get one :-) they're fine devices. just won't run mt
22:24 Sokomine havn't seen anything like that for newer versions
22:24 tumeninodes I also have my old samsung intercept... is that worth anything? :D
22:24 Sokomine as far as mt goes: runs fine on my current phone (which is...inconvenient if actually trying to phone or operate it one-handed...the choice i have regarding new phones is between toys and too big ones and apple)
22:25 Sokomine an old tablet with 0.5 gb ram suffered too much with mt. just not enough ram i think
22:26 tumeninodes haha, the intercept still fires up woohoo
22:27 tumeninodes I got my youngest the nexus7 tablet when it was the new, hot thing... still have that, still gets updates but the screen has a crack and cost 1/2 what I paid for it to replace :D
22:27 Sokomine rubenwardy: if you ever find a browser that can actually be used on an android device please tell me. i havn't found anything suitable yet. something like requestpolicy or umatrix is my minimum requirement
22:27 rubenwardy huh
22:27 rubenwardy firefox + plugins?
22:28 Sokomine the tablet that doesn't run mt very well was extremly cheap. only 40 euro. can't expect much for that
22:28 Sokomine and that was some years ago
22:28 Sokomine rubenwardy: those plugins don't seem to be available for the mobile versioin
22:28 rubenwardy :(
22:28 rubenwardy wait
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22:28 rubenwardy right
22:30 tumeninodes chrome is stupidly large
22:30 rubenwardy web browsers are complex
22:30 rubenwardy CSS is turing complete
22:30 rubenwardy remember
22:31 tumeninodes I used the dolphine browser some time back, I think with the intercept and that was android ummm 2. suin
22:31 tumeninodes and it worked great but not sure if thats around any longer
22:33 tumeninodes https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=mobi.mgeek.TunnyBrowser&hl=en_US not sure if it's the same one? it must be
22:40 IhrFussel My $65 phone runs MT @ 20 fps ... not perfect but playable
22:43 IhrFussel Certain items cannot be placed in 3rd-person mode ... is that a bug or does MT just not support it?
22:48 IhrFussel Pointing at nodes behaves weird in 3rd-person ... looks like you can only point at very close ones
23:04 RUBENWARDY HELLO
23:06 RUBENWARDY IHRFUSSEL: DOES THAT HAPPEN WITH THE DEV BUILD? THERE WERE SOME FIXES RECENTLY
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23:11 IhrFussel rubenwardy, KGM/LGM simulator? :P ... I didn't test it in 5.0.0, it's probably fixed there
23:12 rubenwardy ANAND simulator
23:12 rubenwardy wait, what?!
23:12 rubenwardy who said that
23:12 IhrFussel True, the other one would required red text
23:12 IhrFussel require*
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