Time  Nick         Message
00:01 paramat      rubenwardy , KGM's reply :) https://github.com/KaiGerdMueller/minetest-bot-collection/issues/1#issuecomment-404511273
00:25 IhrFussel    {Main} (13/07/18 02:22:34) [DanTheGuy]: When I delete blocks ít says hacker you
00:26 IhrFussel    Broken 3rd-party client app? ^
00:26 red-001      paramat, wonder what would happen if you reported it to github
00:28 paramat      yeah i wondered if it would go against github rules, but we might be able to apply pressure other ways first
00:28 IhrFussel    ^ ^ happens with all nodes the player says ... possibly digging the air node in front of the real ones?
00:29 xerox123_    PLZ PLZ PLZ Make youtube video if you like my bot :{ )
00:29 paramat      'delete blocks' = digging nodes?
00:29 paramat      lol
00:29 xerox123_    XD
00:29 IhrFussel    Yes there is no other way for him to delete nodes...has no WE or similar
00:30 paramat      yes the 'you hacker you' is due to having air or ignore in inventory
00:30 red-001      ^
00:31 paramat      maybe a hacked or weird client
00:34 IhrFussel    He receives invisible nodes so it's pretty much confirmed now
00:34 IhrFussel    Can air/ignore be placed?
00:34 red-001      no
00:35 IhrFussel    Ok good then the worst that can happen is him having the inventory full of invisible nodes ... do air/ignore nodes stack to 99?
00:35 * red-001    ¯_(ツ)_/¯
00:39 IhrFussel    How can that happen though? I thought all app devs pretty much do is adding ad banner somewhere in the code + possibly some paywall for certain privs
00:40 IhrFussel    Them touching the dig code is weird
00:40 paramat      they do much more than that, some will hack anything they can
00:41 IhrFussel    But it's definitely an app from the App Store (iOS)
00:43 paramat      so?
00:43 paramat      maybe just a buggy app
00:58 IhrFussel    alt-account on same IP "I'm not xyz I'm her friend"
01:00 IhrFussel    The "friend" certainly doesn't live in the same household/share the same device
01:01 IhrFussel    Off for today, see ya =)
01:08 paramat      KGM is such a dick :)
01:14 red-001      paramat, huh?
01:17 paramat      like, generally :)
01:17 red-001      paramat, by exploits they mean viruses, rootkits and the like
01:18 red-001      not really applicable
01:18 paramat      yes i suspected that
01:18 red-001      technically cheating software might fall under some computer misuse legislation
01:19 red-001      if you really stretch it that is
01:20 paramat      yes, edited
01:21 red-001      paramat, how old did he say he was anyways?
01:21 red-001      github can't let people under 13 have accounts because US law
01:22 paramat      not sure but someone said around early teens
01:23 red-001      wonder how strongly that is enforced
01:24 red-001      would be somewhat funny if someone para-phrasing "I wasn't born yesterday" required support to intervene
01:26 red-001      paramat, does him having a bot on his account really change much?
01:28 paramat      i'm not asking them to be removed
02:47 ANAND        Shara: Rexism8 has probably come to CTF too
02:47 ANAND        https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/447819018028449793/467106993627201537/Screenshot_2018-07-12-18-15-02.png
03:11 paramat      *sigh*
03:18 ANAND        Isn't/Shouldn't chat messages (be) limited to a certain number of characters?
03:19 ANAND        I also don't think the spammer is literally counting all the spaces to correctly align the text to the next line
03:20 ANAND        Or are they? o_O
06:12 ANAND        Server owners and staff, look out for players with the name "AyyLMAO" and "Rexism8" (probably the same person). They spammed for hours in CTF saying "HEIL HITLER" and "I LIKE JEWS". From what I've heard, they've been to a few other servers and spammed the same way.
06:14 ANAND        They also do some black-magic to hide their name in the game chat, but it's clearly visible on IRC and Discord.
06:15 ANAND        I'm going to mess around with the "space-glitch" to see how it works... :D
08:56 Krock        hi *
08:56 ANAND        o/
13:05 tumeninodes  rubenwardy: thpltpltpltpltpltplt.... :D
13:06 tumeninodes  ^ that's how I spell a raspberry
13:11 Krock        tumeninodes: too much water in your mouth
13:23 tumeninodes  that's not water..., it's salt
13:27 Krock        https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/021/971/Salt-Bae-001.jpg
13:28 tumeninodes  hahahaha
13:28 tumeninodes  just a pinch
14:18 Krock        VanessaE: FYI the GitHub link is dead. https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=183937#p183937
14:32 VanessaE     fixed.
14:42 tumeninodes  does anyone know, if the directional lighting work KaadmY did a while back will work with 0.4.17.1 and/or 5.0.0?
14:59 Krock        it was written for 0.5.0-dev, so it'll still work (might need some rebasing)
15:01 tumeninodes  oh, excellent. thank you
15:17 IhrFussel    To check if hitter and player are not the same is obsolete inside punchplayer() correct?
15:20 Krock        in my last incompatible CAO version testing the player should still hit themselves
15:20 Krock        it's also required on your server because the luckyblock uses player:punch(player, ..)
15:25 rubenwardy   Players can punch themselves
15:25 rubenwardy   So hes
15:25 rubenwardy   CHeck that
15:27 IhrFussel    Ahh now I see why I wrote that in the past... I just revisited my PvP code to optimize it
15:27 Fixer        one more dead PR
15:28 BillyS       Hmm, VE-S seems to have died
15:28 BillyS       I wonder if VE took it down
15:50 tumeninodes  I'm not sure how to go from here. I have never pulled from someone else's repo before, it's my first time..., be gentle :D  https://pastebin.com/vuJzk5e6
15:52 Krock        1) look out for the file which is listed as "CONFLICT" 2) edit the conflicting parts so that it works (Ctrl + F for "======") 3) commit the changes 4) continue
15:53 tumeninodes  I'll give it a whack, thanks
17:01 rubenwardy   What skin mods support sfinv?
17:01 rubenwardy   I saw one on homeland
17:02 xerox123     https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=17899
17:49 BillyS       Do bad things happen if I kill -9 minetest during a clearobjects?
17:51 rubenwardy   Probably
17:55 BillyS       *sigh*
17:57 IhrFussel    I prevent myself from running /clearobjects without quick added in case you ran it by accident
17:57 IhrFussel    Just add if param == "" then return true end in the command function
17:58 Krock        BillyS: especially because it's Friday 13th
17:59 BillyS       Krock: Yeah, it's a great day to get your roof replaced. :P
17:59 Krock        BillyS: uh well, I have a local copy of the superior roof
18:00 Krock        or of my entire lawn to be precise
18:00 IhrFussel    WE should've changed its clear command... just forget ONE slash and the server is busy for a while
18:00 Krock        you're maybe a bit jealous because it's one of the actual natural/regular looking houses on your server :P
18:01 Krock        IhrFussel:  -> PR
18:02 Sokomine     Krock: which one? where?
18:03 Krock        Sokomine: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=20416 1st image
18:03 IhrFussel    Nice random generated username "Gaylord[0-9]{3,4}"
18:03 Krock        ofc it's the cobble hut behind the small farm
18:04 Krock        but well, cobble looks quite weird in that combination
18:04 Krock        s/cobble/gravel/
18:23 tumeninodes  ok..., I shan't be messing with shading today :D
18:25 tumeninodes  resolved conflicts, got everything running... saw no results... hmmmm. I'll try again another time. I just wanted to see the results for myself (I never checked it out)
18:27 tumeninodes  and everything I start to work on the past few days, I lose interest quickly. I go through these bouts every now and again
18:29 Sokomine     krock: that park looks nice
18:30 Sokomine     krock: there are only few exceptions when cobble looks ok
18:31 tumeninodes  has anyone else had flickering issues with their player model? (light flickering)
18:31 Sokomine     not really. just looks absolutely strange when inside another player
18:32 tumeninodes  nah, this is from 3rd person views.., I've noticed it elswhere as well... so maybe it's something self inflicted
18:46 Krock        Sokomine: thanks for the feedback. I do know right that cobble might look nice in a few places, for example when mixing different stone types
18:57 tumeninodes  YES!!!! https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=20468&p=325264#p325264
18:57 tumeninodes  !title
18:57 MinetestBot  tumeninodes: [mod] Infinity gauntlet [infinity_gauntlet] (v0.1) - Minetest Forums
18:59 Krock        is this a thanos reference?
19:02 tumeninodes  hmmmm, he may want to slap a disclaimer on that bad boy haha
19:03 rubenwardy   Thanos is overhyped
19:04 tumeninodes  He's not much without that mitten, that;s for sure
19:04 rubenwardy   The best marvel villan is Killgrave
19:04 rubenwardy   Objectively
19:05 tumeninodes  that would have been so much better... 'the Infinity Mitten'
19:05 tumeninodes  when I was a kid, it was Galactus
19:06 tumeninodes  so many have come along since I was kinda into it all
19:08 rubenwardy   Although killgrave has made doctor who unwatchable
19:08 rubenwardy   Killgrave is a funny way to spell morefat
19:09 rubenwardy   Jeesiccccaa
19:11 tumeninodes  I gave up when Ragnarok came out... I was actually pissed over that. But Infinity War made up for it... kinda
19:13 tumeninodes  Ragnarok could've/should've been one of the most epic movies from Marvel... they blew it, and it blew chunks
19:20 rubenwardy   wasn't that bad
19:20 rubenwardy   wasn't that good
19:39 tumeninodes  let's face it... it just .... "wasn't" :D
19:40 tumeninodes  I mean, I 'get it'.., the idea for them is to make as much $ as they can and, that is the sort of crap society likes...
19:40 tumeninodes  everything has to be slapstick and goofy
19:40 tumeninodes  constant sarcasm
19:41 tumeninodes  they could just make 50 more complete remakes of spiderman, etc... and society would still eat it up
19:42 tumeninodes  afk for a few
20:43 nore         Krock: btw, feel free to merge the pipeworks PR
21:00 Krock        nore: thanks for the feedback. will do so
21:21 IhrFussel    My cheap smartphone just received a software update...I didn't know that the manufacturer would care enough to push updates to it
21:21 IhrFussel    It's a $65 phone and the update is huge (550 MB)
21:24 Sokomine     IhrFussel: that's very odd. when did you buy the phone?
21:25 IhrFussel    It isn't old (released 2017), just cheap and I thought manufacturers would only care about their flagship devices
21:27 Sokomine     well, that's good. now, if you can root it, it may even be a decent defice - even if it was cheap
21:30 rubenwardy   :D
21:30 rubenwardy   with treble, you'll get faster Android updates
21:31 rubenwardy   as the manufactorers won't need to do so many hacks
21:31 rubenwardy   well
21:31 rubenwardy   all their hacks will be in one place rather than scattered around
21:31 rubenwardy   so it should be as simple as compiling the new SDK + testing
21:31 rubenwardy   right ?
21:32 IhrFussel    Can 550 MB just be security updates? The change log is empty for some reason
21:42 rubenwardy   perfectly possible if it's a new kernel image and such
21:44 sfan5        kernel updates are not half a gigabyte, especially not on embedded devices
21:49 IhrFussel    550 MB *before* extracting ... when I download the update from their website it is 1.3 GB
21:50 rubenwardy   well, there's definitely going to be a lot of changes there
21:50 rubenwardy   how about seeing if it looks different
21:50 IhrFussel    Update finished now, sadly it's still Android 7.0 :P
21:50 rubenwardy   and checking the version number
21:50 rubenwardy   lol
21:50 rubenwardy   nougat
21:51 IhrFussel    About phone now mentions "state of security updates" May 5 2018 it was September 2017 before
21:52 rubenwardy   on my work computer, the android folder is about 60GB
21:52 rubenwardy   I think
21:52 garywhite    How do you have a 60GB android folder?
21:52 rubenwardy   that's sources and build directories. It's insane
21:52 rubenwardy   garywhite: Android is big
21:52 IhrFussel    Kernel Version 3.18.35+ (Jun 4 2018)
21:52 rubenwardy   ew
21:53 garywhite    ik, on my phone Android is about 6GB
21:53 rubenwardy   garywhite: I work on the Android OS
21:53 rubenwardy   so that includes all the tools need to build Android and test it
21:53 rubenwardy   and all the sources
21:53 rubenwardy   and the built images
21:54 rubenwardy   I've spent the entirety of today writing assembly
21:54 rubenwardy   and last few days reading it
21:54 rubenwardy   such fun
21:54 garywhite    oh, now it makes sense
21:55 tumeninodes  for Android, the Google apps are ridiculously huge
21:55 tumeninodes  and they just keep growing, and growing
21:56 rubenwardy   thing is, git doesn't scale very well so you can't use it to version the android sources
21:56 rubenwardy   instead you use a tool called repo which manages a ton of git repos
21:56 rubenwardy   it took about an hour to download all the AOSP sources on a 100 Mbps connection
21:57 tumeninodes  0_0
21:58 rubenwardy   here's the repo manifest: https://android.googlesource.com/platform/manifest/+/master/default.xml
21:58 rubenwardy   it's a list of all the repositories needed
21:58 tumeninodes  too bad they won't splurge on some team of wizards to greatly reduce the fluff which has built up within the OS and their apps
21:58 rubenwardy   ctrl+f = 651
21:59 rubenwardy   phone storage increases
21:59 tumeninodes  What?
21:59 rubenwardy   the sort of people that do app development have the latest phones
21:59 rubenwardy   for example, at work we use Pixel 2s
21:59 rubenwardy   so they're sheltered from low end phones
22:00 rubenwardy   the amount of space in the latest top phone increases every year
22:00 rubenwardy   and so does app size
22:00 tumeninodes  I still have an HTC 710c, and I still love it
22:00 rubenwardy   also, worth noting that it's the OEM that adds a lot of the bloat anyway
22:01 IhrFussel    rubenwardy, is Android 7.0 relatively safe still? Or has it lots of exploits/bugs already?
22:01 rubenwardy   newer versions will probably be safer. Less kernel bugs
22:01 rubenwardy   8.0 is the newest
22:01 rubenwardy   9.0 (P) coming in the next month
22:02 rubenwardy   ( ^ guess )
22:02 tumeninodes  I really wish they had remained with sense ummm, forget the ver # and not gone 100% retro... I don't like it
22:02 rubenwardy   ?
22:03 IhrFussel    Well since I likely cannot root this phone (almost nobody owns it and will create a tutorial for that) I depend on whatever Wiko is shipping... my old phone had 4.4.2 in 2015
22:03 tumeninodes  sorry, HTC
22:03 garywhite    IhrFussel: I was stuck with 4.4 in 2017 until I got my new phone with 7.0
22:04 tumeninodes  heh I have Android 5.0.2 and HTC sense 6.0 (the yucky icky retro sense)
22:04 rubenwardy   that sucks
22:05 rubenwardy   by retro, are you talking about a home screen?
22:05 tumeninodes  yes the entire UI
22:05 rubenwardy   heh
22:05 rubenwardy   you can get home screen apps
22:05 rubenwardy   I use Evie
22:05 tumeninodes  it's bogus and fugly
22:05 rubenwardy   remember that the vanilla one is an app anyway
22:06 tumeninodes  I tried Evie a short while back... meh
22:06 rubenwardy   there's also Novo launcha
22:06 IhrFussel    paramat will kill us btw xP
22:06 IhrFussel    With his Anti-Offtopic-Lazer-Goggles
22:07 tumeninodes  for talking about how MTG runs on Android> 0_o
22:07 * rubenwardy sets ban on *!*@unaffiliated/paramat
22:07 rubenwardy   there we are
22:08 tumeninodes  that'll come back to bite you in the astronomy
22:09 tumeninodes  my old HTC 3devo Android 4.0.3 and sense 3.6 still have that too and still love the over all look more than today's garbage
22:09 rubenwardy   brand and guarantee of quality
22:10 rubenwardy   not sure I'd qualify those as ok specs ;)
22:10 rubenwardy   also, the relationship been clock speed and quality is non-linear
22:11 rubenwardy   also
22:11 rubenwardy   > I wonder how they can offer ....
22:11 rubenwardy   people buy them
22:11 IhrFussel    I have yet to find an app that doesn't run on it to be honest...of course it won't be able to manage 60 fps in 3D games, but for that price I'm kinda impressed
22:11 rubenwardy   for me it's not an issue of will it run, but will it run well
22:12 tumeninodes  for me..., it's "how often can I just forget it at home, and not be chained too it, and everyone on the other end"
22:13 rubenwardy   sounds like you need Shara's phone then
22:13 Shara        :D
22:13 tumeninodes  cellphones > smartphones have caused more decay than progress, regardless of how much they progress in tech
22:14 tumeninodes  haha, we've spoken on the subject before... mostly on the same page
22:14 IhrFussel    I remember my first phone ever (~ 2001)... Nokia 3310 ... snake was pretty fun xP
22:15 tumeninodes  snake... was... epic
22:16 IhrFussel    The original was yep...but not the modern clones of it IMO lol
22:17 tumeninodes  https://imgur.com/a/vWKlQNM  my first ever cell phone and I still have it, I took that pic
22:18 * Sokomine   places an old google g1 phone in front of rubenwardy and looks happily :-)
22:18 tumeninodes  has (or had) the good ole motorola walkie-talkie feature
22:19 rubenwardy   oo
22:19 rubenwardy   can I have that ,Sokomine?
22:19 rubenwardy   XD
22:19 rubenwardy   They're a collectors item1
22:19 rubenwardy   actually worth something, iirc
22:21 Sokomine     rubenwardy: no, sorry. it's still working as a night clock and alarm clock
22:21 Sokomine     even used it as a phone last year because my more modern one is too big for my hands :-(. the old g1 was nice
22:22 rubenwardy   :D
22:22 Sokomine     i'd sleep over without it :-) and i still prefer its shape
22:23 rubenwardy   actually, they're not that expensiv
22:23 Sokomine     that ancient version of anrdoid had an app that allowed to turn the screen into red and eliminiate all other colors. that's extremly convenient at night when a too bright light would be annoying
22:23 rubenwardy   nice
22:23 Sokomine     well, then, get one :-) they're fine devices. just won't run mt
22:24 Sokomine     havn't seen anything like that for newer versions
22:24 tumeninodes  I also have my old samsung intercept... is that worth anything? :D
22:24 Sokomine     as far as mt goes: runs fine on my current phone (which is...inconvenient if actually trying to phone or operate it one-handed...the choice i have regarding new phones is between toys and too big ones and apple)
22:25 Sokomine     an old tablet with 0.5 gb ram suffered too much with mt. just not enough ram i think
22:26 tumeninodes  haha, the intercept still fires up woohoo
22:27 tumeninodes  I got my youngest the nexus7 tablet when it was the new, hot thing... still have that, still gets updates but the screen has a crack and cost 1/2 what I paid for it to replace :D
22:27 Sokomine     rubenwardy: if you ever find a browser that can actually be used on an android device please tell me. i havn't found anything suitable yet. something like requestpolicy or umatrix is my minimum requirement
22:27 rubenwardy   huh
22:27 rubenwardy   firefox + plugins?
22:28 Sokomine     the tablet that doesn't run mt very well was extremly cheap. only 40 euro. can't expect much for that
22:28 Sokomine     and that was some years ago
22:28 Sokomine     rubenwardy: those plugins don't seem to be available for the mobile versioin
22:28 rubenwardy   :(
22:28 rubenwardy   wait
22:28 rubenwardy   right
22:30 tumeninodes  chrome is stupidly large
22:30 rubenwardy   web browsers are complex
22:30 rubenwardy   CSS is turing complete
22:30 rubenwardy   remember
22:31 tumeninodes  I used the dolphine browser some time back, I think with the intercept and that was android ummm 2. suin
22:31 tumeninodes  and it worked great but not sure if thats around any longer
22:33 tumeninodes  https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=mobi.mgeek.TunnyBrowser&hl=en_US not sure if it's the same one? it must be
22:40 IhrFussel    My $65 phone runs MT @ 20 fps ... not perfect but playable
22:43 IhrFussel    Certain items cannot be placed in 3rd-person mode ... is that a bug or does MT just not support it?
22:48 IhrFussel    Pointing at nodes behaves weird in 3rd-person ... looks like you can only point at very close ones
23:04 RUBENWARDY   HELLO
23:06 RUBENWARDY   IHRFUSSEL: DOES THAT HAPPEN WITH THE DEV BUILD? THERE WERE SOME FIXES RECENTLY
23:11 IhrFussel    rubenwardy, KGM/LGM simulator? :P ... I didn't test it in 5.0.0, it's probably fixed there
23:12 rubenwardy   ANAND simulator
23:12 rubenwardy   wait, what?!
23:12 rubenwardy   who said that
23:12 IhrFussel    True, the other one would required red text
23:12 IhrFussel    require*