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04:53 paramat !tell IhrFussel stereo sound that fades with distance is therefore located in the world, so it should also be directional. one without the other is very weird and not useful so openAL doesn't do it. "You seem to focus too much on the idea of positional being 3D" lol they're identical. "But that is how reality works!" no, a stereo sound system is also directional, it's 2 directional sound sources
04:53 MinetestBot paramat: I'll pass that on when IhrFussel is around
04:55 sofar what's that bug report about that again that we closed?
04:56 sofar #1823
04:56 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1823 -- Minetest plays stereo sound as mono
04:57 sofar !tell ihrfussel see issue 1823
04:57 MinetestBot sofar: I'll pass that on when ihrfussel is around
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12:18 tenplus1 Hi folks
12:18 tenplus1 o/ Krock
12:18 Krock hi tenplus1
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12:19 tenplus1 hi paramat
12:19 tenplus1 am getting some backlash after moving to notabug.org
12:19 Krock how so?
12:20 tenplus1 certain mt games have broken links cause they pointed to some of my mods on github, since the move links are borked
12:20 tenplus1 shame all these git clones cant use the same infrastructure and link to each other
12:21 Krock well yes, that are the consequences of moving repos. broken links.
12:21 Krock also submodules that point to the old clone address
12:21 tenplus1 dammit
12:22 Krock >> instant GitHub migration <<
12:22 Krock so those who already changed the links to notabug can change them back again 8)
12:23 tenplus1 dunno if I want to move back...
12:24 tenplus1 M$ has already said they wanna make github better *shudder*
12:30 Fixer funnily 420 is playing right now about make a mooooove
12:30 Fixer but i don't want you all to leave github
12:30 tenplus1 hi fixer
12:31 Fixer nobody is going to register on chtulhu-know what random git-platforms
12:31 Fixer hii
12:31 rubenwardy I'll probably keep my public stuff on github whilst github is there
12:31 rubenwardy *minetest is there
12:32 tenplus1 am still on github for minetest to check latest release and post issues and pulls... but will host my stuff elseswhere.... also hi ruben
12:34 rubenwardy *public minetest stuff
12:34 rubenwardy not sure I trust that gitlab won't be bought too
12:34 rubenwardy so might just self-host
12:34 Fixer gitlab is already a private entity
12:34 rubenwardy exactly
12:34 tenplus1 you ever get the feeling Microsoft kinda knew what an upset this would cause when they bought github ?
12:35 Fixer if you are really into stallman-like-FOSS-terrorism, you have to move to something mooore deeeper - self-hosted or savannah or other volunteer-run git platform
12:36 tenplus1 if the minetest community has it's own git site then I'll gladly move there :)
12:38 Calinou GitHub still feels the same
12:38 tenplus1 for now...  until they start *improving* it...  hi Cal
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12:47 tenplus1 hi aerozoic
12:50 paramat i'll move to whereever MT moves to if or when it does
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12:51 Shara What paramat said, really.
12:51 aerozoic hi tenplus1
12:51 Shara At the moment, I'm just really annoyed that I now have to dance between four different sites to keep track of mods I use
12:51 tenplus1 hi shara
12:52 Shara To the point where I'm highly likely to just fork everything
12:52 Shara Hi 11
12:52 Shara Also have started the possibly impossible task of trying to get my servers back to using MTG... and I'm already close to giving up on it
12:53 Shara Starting to think I'll just forget having a life beyond MT mods and maintain every single mod I use myself :D
12:53 tenplus1 wait, your servers arent already using mtg ?
12:53 Shara Haven't been since ages ago really
12:53 tenplus1 ohh, you made your own game setup
12:53 Shara I run a very customised version of it instead ever since it did a bunch of things that annoyed me
12:54 rubenwardy #KillKeys
12:54 Shara I was hoping I could move back to it for easier maintenance but... seems not
12:54 tenplus1 what were the annoying things ?
12:54 Shara Everything from keys to coral to texture switches, to now needing to use sfinv just to run a totally different inventory mod and so on
12:55 tenplus1 ahh
12:55 Shara Also I don't even know what's up with rails
12:58 Shara On RC, all types of rail conenct... switching to carts in MTG, they don't connect to other ones anymore
12:58 Shara Also I'm left with a textureless default:rails node for some reason
12:58 tenplus1 weird
12:59 Shara yea
12:59 paramat lots of core dev support for moving keys out of default if anyone wants to code that, i would if i knew how
12:59 rubenwardy problem is backwards compatibility, paramat
12:59 rubenwardy depends on how many mods have added support for keys really
12:59 Shara Just make it an option...
12:59 rubenwardy tbf, we should treat dependencies on default as broken anyway ;)
12:59 tenplus1 wasnt doors changes so that can_open function was used
12:59 rubenwardy ^
13:00 rubenwardy that's how I would have done it
13:00 rubenwardy an external mod overriding can_open
13:00 paramat corals do need reworking, to use plantlike_rooted and those suggested textures. they're not good currently
13:01 paramat maybe i'll get inspired to sort out corals sometime :)
13:01 tenplus1 doesnt that mean they will be linked to sand blocks ?
13:01 Shara paramat: I have corals on my list
13:01 Shara SO please leave those to me for now
13:01 Shara I did logs last night, butterflies and corals are still to come
13:02 paramat ok cool :)
13:02 * paramat is relieved
13:02 tenplus1 did you cahnge the logs to num_spawn_by = 4 ?
13:02 Shara Problem is, I think I didn't really agree with you on how you wanted the corals so... I want to spend a bit of time thinking it through and experimenting.
13:02 Shara tenplus1: 8
13:02 tenplus1 oops, 8 sorry
13:02 tenplus1 I liked that feature, seen it earlier :) makes 'em appear on solid ground
13:03 Shara It's how to stop the overhang ever being more than 1 node
13:03 tenplus1 +100
13:03 paramat my approach would be having the base cube be coral skeleton
13:03 tenplus1 still means if you wanna place coral above land as decoration the cube is stuck on it
13:04 Shara paramat: yea, that's where I'm having an issue. The two sets of coral textures really don't match up well, and I think it could look too busy/weird even if they did
13:04 Shara tenplus1: seperate nodes
13:04 Shara but yea, it gets messy to do well
13:04 tenplus1 true, but registering double nodes
13:04 Shara I love the rooted drawtype and it has huge potential, but needs some fussing around to make it really good
13:05 tenplus1 if only a feature was available to have nodes retain water on top
13:05 tenplus1 flooded view
13:05 Shara Check HW marsh grass for an idea
13:05 paramat yeah we could have a new texture for the coral 'reef' if the white one is not suitable for the base cube
13:05 Shara I still haven't coded it so it works correctly, but the distinct node types are already there
13:06 Shara But I'd basically look at having a check when placing the node to see if it's being palced in water or not (unless it becomes dead coral again when picked anyway, in which case it doesn't really matter)
13:07 paramat ah just seen the logs PR ..
13:13 tenplus1 the awards mod is pretty good
13:18 rubenwardy horray :D
13:18 rubenwardy I'll be adding group support to it tonight
13:18 tenplus1 although there's a call to awards.notifydig that doesnt seem to exist ??!
13:18 Shara :D
13:18 rubenwardy urg
13:18 rubenwardy *urrr
13:18 tenplus1 lol
13:19 rubenwardy ah
13:19 rubenwardy it's defined in register_trigger
13:19 rubenwardy there will be a line like     awards["notify" .. type] = func
13:19 rubenwardy it's deprecated though
13:19 tenplus1 ahh
13:19 tenplus1 just wondering :p
13:19 rubenwardy the correct form is    awards.dig.notify    or   awards.triggers.dig.notify
13:19 rubenwardy I forget
13:20 rubenwardy I'm also going to change `node` to `item` on dig/place triggers, to make it consistent with use/craft triggers
13:20 rubenwardy as I got caught out by that
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13:21 tenplus1 wb
13:21 Krock ty
13:23 Krock <Fixer> [...] or other volunteer-run git platform  | isn't that what notabug offers?
13:23 Fixer probably
13:29 * rubenwardy now has a wireless charger
13:29 * tenplus1 now has wireless toilet
13:29 tenplus1 fun with portals!
13:30 lisac_ And the neighbors' entire family!
13:30 tenplus1 hi lisac :PP
13:30 lisac_ hey tenplus1
13:30 Krock rubenwardy, congrats to <70% charging efficiency
13:30 lisac Krock: its the future, efficiency doesn't matter
13:31 lisac only how cool it looks
13:31 Krock alright I see
13:31 lisac did you see that new wireless mouse that is powered from the mousepad?
13:31 tenplus1 yeah, not bad
13:31 lisac some day people will find out that we can attach cables directly to the mouse
13:32 rubenwardy apparently 75-80% actually
13:32 lisac and there will be no need to charge them!
13:32 tenplus1 :p
13:32 rubenwardy plus my microusb input is getting a bit funky
13:32 rubenwardy so it extends the life of my phone by not needing to plug it in every day
13:32 Krock 2018: wireless mouse powered by mousepad. Never recharge the mouse again
13:32 Krock 2054: wireless mousepad powered by mouse. Never recharge the mousepad again
13:35 Krock lisac, inb4 that's the mouse I'm currently using
13:35 Krock (with cable 8) )
13:35 lisac :P
13:35 lisac I once tried a wireless mouse
13:35 lisac too much effort to keep it charged
13:35 lisac not to mention batteries last like a week
13:36 tenplus1 wired all the way
13:37 lisac lol there are some protests here right now
13:37 lisac people are blocking roads with cars
13:37 lisac half of the population is supporting them
13:37 lisac other half beating the other half to death
13:37 tenplus1 erk
13:37 lisac and of course the 'Baby dies due to the road blockade' headlines
13:38 Krock 5 minutes later, opponent magazine: 'road blockade damaged by exploded isis baby'
13:38 Krock s/oded/oding/
13:38 lisac and president says he considers the protests a terrorist act against the government
13:40 Krock they always are
13:40 lisac oh and the reason the protests started is because government doubled the price of fuel
13:40 lisac by increasing tax by 54%
13:41 Krock at least the nature will be happy
13:41 tenplus1 how much is it per litre now ???
13:41 lisac ~2$
13:41 lisac it used to be about 160RSD before
13:41 tenplus1 ouch...  it's 1.30 GBP here per litre in places
13:42 lisac yeah, and on top of that most of the price goes to the government
13:42 tenplus1 *sigh* doors and key has me jumping all around minetest_game git to see what it all does
13:42 lisac people are apparently starting to get fuel from less known places now
13:42 Shara paramat: I find including the mushrooms in the schems just weird, but sure
13:43 rubenwardy heh, tax fuel subsidise electric cars
13:43 rubenwardy #LegaliseMarijauna
13:43 tenplus1 +100
13:44 lisac rubenwardy: electric cars are illegal in Serbia
13:44 lisac as well as drones
13:44 lisac not exactly illegal, but you can't drive them on roads
13:44 rubenwardy legalise marigauna and use the tax for health care
13:44 rubenwardy put that on a bus, and keep the promise
13:44 rubenwardy also, this is above 50 lines :O
13:44 tenplus1 it was stated that the UK would gain 30 BILLION per year on taxes alone if cannabis was legal
13:44 rubenwardy yeah
13:45 lisac rubenwardy: channel would be dead if not for constant offtopic
13:45 * tenplus1 gives up on doors mod, am sticking to doors redo, it's easier
13:45 rubenwardy I don't do weed and find it disgusting, however I think it's better to have education and use tax money on health care than to keep it illegal
13:45 rubenwardy plus,   > alcohol
13:45 Krock legalise margarine and use tax for health care   <- me, reading the chat
13:45 tenplus1 yup, that sounds fair
13:47 rubenwardy buy everyone in the UK called "Andrew Ward" a tesla
13:47 rubenwardy new law
13:47 tenplus1 lol
13:47 Krock a tesla coil? easy.
13:51 paramat Shara it's because the decoration API gets surface y from the mapgen heightmap, so can't place mushrooms on logs which are above the heightmap surface. those log mushrooms are a much loved feature :)
13:51 Fixer do not subsidize fuel
13:51 Fixer it is evil
13:51 Fixer it is like a doze for a narc
13:52 Fixer you will ruin your economy
13:53 Fixer 1,54 usd per dollar?
13:54 rubenwardy definitely don't
13:55 rubenwardy electric and electric cars though
13:55 rubenwardy may be better to somehow encourage research
13:55 rubenwardy we need affordable efficient cars yesterday
13:55 rubenwardy and also more renewable energy
13:55 Krock self-driving solar panels
13:56 Krock and at this point I see no connection with Minetest
13:56 rubenwardy would quite like to make an unloaded chunk supporting transport netowkr
13:56 rubenwardy like, subways
13:56 Krock however, cars built with technic's batteries would be somewhat nice
13:56 rubenwardy so it works and the trains appear in the right place
13:56 tenplus1 howabout this: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b7/c8/68/b7c868d93f10aa86bef2521979e17c9c.jpg
13:56 Fixer i feel like we will end up badly if no cheap and env friendly batteries are made
13:56 rubenwardy would need a way of making a network graph
13:57 Fixer i can imagine road be electrified, so electrotrucks will move the cargo, same for busses
13:57 rubenwardy sounds inefficient
13:57 Krock tenplus1, needs motion blur to look more attractive
13:58 tenplus1 lol
13:58 tenplus1 ya know, the water engine does actually work and can provide a car enough electricity to run without the need for a battery on board
13:58 Fixer our future https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/97/JapaneseRickshaw.jpg
13:58 Krock and maybe these shiny red eyes which are a must-have for new, amazing stuff
13:59 tenplus1 fixer, we already have those in the city, but the guys pulling them take the piss from tourists and charge absurd amounts
13:59 Fixer we are already at peak oil pretty much
13:59 Fixer think about how you will live with ever rising fuel prices
13:59 Fixer including plastics prices
14:00 paramat -> chat channel (despite me being an electric car enthusiast)
14:00 tenplus1 paramat: go for a water fueled car then...
14:00 Fixer also, to make a battery you still need energy
14:01 Fixer electric not enough, probably coal+gas+nuclear for future
14:02 Fixer you need shit-tons of those
14:02 Fixer also, without cheap fuel moving any cargo will cost a lot of money
14:03 Fixer that means declining standard of living
14:03 Fixer and maybe opportunity for local producers
14:07 longerstaff13 Meow
14:07 tenplus1 hi longer
14:07 longerstaff13 Good afternoon 11
14:07 longerstaff13 Hehe, as a birthday gift from my paremts I had my ear pierced :D
14:07 longerstaff13 Parents*
14:08 ANAND Hello everyone!
14:08 Fixer interesting
14:08 * tenplus1 puts a lock in longerstaff13's ear
14:08 tenplus1 hi ANAND
14:08 longerstaff13 Lol
14:08 ANAND :P
14:08 longerstaff13 Hi anand
14:08 rubenwardy Fixer: in parts of last year the UK ran on mostly renewable energy
14:09 ANAND Happy birthday longerstaff13! :)
14:09 rubenwardy and it's getting cheaper, I heard it's cheaper than non-renewable
14:09 Fixer rubenwardy: mostly aka 50%?
14:09 longerstaff13 Thanks :P
14:09 rubenwardy that being said, it still has an impact when making the things
14:09 ANAND .. who's not 13 :P
14:09 longerstaff13 I'm 16
14:09 Krock longerstaff16
14:09 ANAND yea
14:09 longerstaff13 Hehe
14:10 tenplus1 from 15% renewable energy in 1995 up to 30% in 2017.. and it's getting better :)
14:10 rubenwardy ok, I can't find a citation for the first sentence. This says 30% most of the time: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renewable_energy_in_the_United_Kingdom
14:10 rubenwardy lol snap
14:10 tenplus1 eheheh
14:10 Fixer 30% is not enough
14:10 rubenwardy no
14:10 * rubenwardy hopes there will be a breakthrough in fusion
14:11 Fixer rubenwardy: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9d/Bp_world_energy_consumption_2016.gif
14:11 rubenwardy I suspect for it to be stable you need a large mass, however
14:11 rubenwardy which isn't really possible on earth
14:12 rubenwardy swear nuclear > gas or coal
14:12 tenplus1 am surprised that placed like Austraslia dont have huge areas of solar panels and tesla banks for creating power to save on fossil fuels ... it's not like they dont have enough spare land
14:12 Fixer you need to store energy somehow
14:13 tenplus1 tesla banks... huge battery buildings to do just that
14:13 Fixer https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/43/World_primary_energy_consumption_in_quadrillion_Btu_by_region.svg
14:13 Fixer energy demand is mostly driven by China it seems
14:13 tenplus1 Fixer: https://electrek.co/2018/01/23/tesla-giant-battery-australia-1-million/
14:13 Fixer and China is overheated AF
14:13 tenplus1 the pollution in china is so sad...
14:14 rubenwardy really we could use less people and less consumption
14:14 Fixer tell that to china/india/africa
14:14 tenplus1 they dropped the 1-child-per-family ruling, that's not good
14:15 Krock tenplus1, long term issues will carry on. they're already used to this system so don't worry
14:16 Fixer urbanisation + education will fix rapid population increase problem
14:16 Fixer tenplus1: china population age is increasing for now
14:16 * tenplus1 shares da perfect cake - http://cdn.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/604025/85680831.jpg
14:17 Fixer china will not grow much anymore
14:17 paramat -> chat (will kick)
14:18 Krock <provocative message>
14:18 rubenwardy so, distributed travel/electronics network in MT
14:18 rubenwardy how do
14:18 rubenwardy err
14:19 Krock sounds like a travelnet & technic coop
14:19 rubenwardy s/distributed/unloaded chunk supporting async/g
14:19 Krock ah, the railway idea
14:19 rubenwardy basically want a way of creating and maintaining a graph of a network
14:19 rubenwardy whether that's rails or wires
14:20 rubenwardy and then being able to sync it asynchronously, maybe be syncing with a worker as another process
14:20 tenplus1 if we had a minetest.find_connected(pos, radius, nodes) command we could trace electronics from one source to another and only ahve it working from 1 block to a 2nd... without all the checking inbetween
14:20 tenplus1 updating it when a cable/machine is disconnected
14:20 rubenwardy and you also need to be able to query the state of certain areas when you load map blocks
14:20 rubenwardy so you can show any trains or charge state in that area
14:21 rubenwardy bit I'm stuck on is what happens if you merge two segments
14:21 rubenwardy because they'd have different IDs
14:22 rubenwardy s/segment/arc or line/g
14:24 rubenwardy I guess you could make a identity node
14:24 rubenwardy and have some way of optimising lines if they're redundant and the blocks are loaded
14:26 tenplus1 if find_path could be expanded to follow specific node groups you could check for joins between tracks/blocks/positions
14:26 rubenwardy the issue is unloaded blocks, and having to update meta maybe
14:27 rubenwardy unless you don't even store node IDs in meta
14:27 rubenwardy and instead just have a fully accurate graph which captures bends
14:27 tenplus1 isnt that how mc works for redstone ? it checks connections between machiens/parts and works only on pos1 and pos2
14:27 rubenwardy but to query a location to find the line it would be O(n)
14:27 rubenwardy redstone only works in loaded areas
14:28 tenplus1 only updating on node/part removal/placement
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14:29 tenplus1 forcing map loads for machines to work would quickly lag everything, also loading it all into a table would use a lot of memory eventually
14:31 rubenwardy I don't care about memory :)
14:31 rubenwardy memory is cheap
14:31 rubenwardy the whole point of this is to use memory to speed it up
14:32 rubenwardy you could also chunkify the graph, ie: LOD
14:32 tenplus1 at some point you'd need to write it out to node/file and a server crash would mess up a lot of working machines/items being moved around etc
14:36 tenplus1 I suppose that's why mc limited redstone to 15 block radius
14:40 BillyS o/ tenplus1
14:40 tenplus1 hil billy
14:40 aerozoic hey tenplus1, since MTG moved the straw stairs register into it's farming mod, would you consider it for your farming redo?
14:40 tenplus1 o.O hi billy, sorry typo
14:40 aerozoic https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/commit/e4d642584670044b3f6b52ee78d9959ef4735ac1
14:40 BillyS xD
14:40 tenplus1 I did try before aerozoic but ended up with dependency issues with 0.4.16
14:41 BillyS tenplus1, I got the nether mod working. Feel free to hop on my server if you want and I'll show ya. :D
14:41 tenplus1 kewl, which server /
14:41 aerozoic hmm
14:41 BillyS Blocky Survival
14:41 tenplus1 aerozoic: lemmie try again and I'l see
14:43 aerozoic ok :)
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14:56 tenplus1 hi CWz
14:57 tenplus1 aerozoic: seems to work this time... will make changes
14:57 aerozoic yay!
14:58 ANAND psst, aerozoic! don't say 'yay' ._.
14:58 aerozoic lol, y not?
14:59 CWz Hello!
14:59 ANAND that (forbidden) word has faced a lot of flak recently, and it's use is frowned upon ;)
14:59 ANAND Hello CWz!
14:59 Amaz aerozoic: http://irc.minetest.net/minetest-hub/2018-06-11#i_5329363
14:59 Amaz :P
14:59 ANAND Tee-hee
15:03 CWz +1
15:03 CWz that word is annoying.
15:03 aerozoic Is it some sort of internet wide thing i've not yet heard about?
15:04 ANAND Not sure. AFAIK, it's a local epidemic
15:04 BillyS No, actually, it's rdococ saying yay every 5 seconds
15:04 paramat it's ok occasionally when it naturally occurs :) that's what i mean by non-strict
15:05 aerozoic lol, if somebody is spamming, maybe they should be dealt with?
15:06 ANAND rdococ wasn't technically "spamming" - let's say they tend to get a little creative :)
15:06 BillyS heh
15:07 Shara Well, I won't mind if he happens to get kicked for it :)
15:15 tenplus1 Farming Redo updated (stairs now included in farming mod, stairs redo compatibility)
15:23 tenplus1 hrm, redstone api is quite interesting: http://computercraft.info/wiki/Redstone_(API)
15:23 CWz spam, by what definition?
15:24 CWz could we implement redstone in minetest
15:24 CWz Is it even possible?
15:24 tenplus1 it's very possible, the mc code is there to use but only workable in loaded map areas within a set range
15:25 tenplus1 mesecons work well but are slow on servers
15:30 rdococ <BillyS> No, actually, it's rdococ saying yay every 5 seconds
15:31 tenplus1 lol
15:31 rdococ How the hell can he be this annoyed?
15:31 Shara Many of us are.
15:31 Shara Can you please stop?
15:31 rdococ you seem to be deluded into thinking I say yay every 5 seconds
15:32 rdococ not everything I say is yay and I haven't said it in a while
15:32 rdococ so please get off my fucking case
15:32 rdococ was kicked by Shara: rdococ
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15:34 rubenwardy > 60MB reference manual
15:34 rubenwardy ew
15:34 tenplus1 manual for what ?
15:34 Shara Was about to ask same
15:34 Krock JavaScript?
15:35 Krock ^ (node modules)
15:35 tenplus1 1970's Ford Capri ?
15:35 Krock We're going to continue this guessing game :3
15:35 Krock Toaster setup instructions with bitmaps as images?
15:36 Shara Krock: you read my mind :(
15:36 tenplus1 gotta have those pictures
15:36 Krock Shara, heh
15:37 rubenwardy it froze my computer
15:37 rubenwardy completely locked up
15:37 rubenwardy my 64GB RAM  40 core computer
15:38 rubenwardy this: http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.subset.architecture.reference/index.html
15:38 BillyS o.O
15:38 BillyS O.O
15:38 BillyS That is a serious computer
15:38 tenplus1 why would a reference manual be that big
15:38 Shara To freeze rubenwardy's computer, obviously.
15:38 rubenwardy it's 6666 pages
15:38 rubenwardy instruction sets are complicated
15:38 Krock sounds evil
15:38 BillyS lol
15:39 Shara And to think, we once believed technology would make our lives easier...
15:39 tenplus1 am gonna click link
15:40 rubenwardy it works fine in firefox, but not evince
15:40 rubenwardy silly
15:40 rdococ I'm not wrong. My scroll history is fairly extensive and I haven't seen a single time where I've said yay (except in my attempts to tell you this!).
15:40 tenplus1 works in chromium
15:40 Shara rdococ: I kicked you because apparently you could not protest politely and felt the need to throw insults instead. You did go overboard with it. It did annoy people. They'll annoy you back a bit in turn...
15:41 rdococ What, when you agreed with BillyS that I say yay every five seconds?
15:41 BillyS This is why I gave up arguing with rdococ ^
15:41 Shara Now you make up things I didn't say and want to direct this against me personally?
15:42 * BillyS gabs popcorn
15:42 BillyS *grabs
15:42 rubenwardy oops
15:42 rubenwardy wrong link
15:42 Shara BillyS: share please?
15:42 BillyS Shara, ?
15:42 rdococ You were as annoyed as he was, though.
15:42 Shara The popcorn.
15:42 BillyS Oh, the popcorn? xD
15:42 Shara I want some.
15:42 Krock would it be possible to set up a mirror on GitHub for GitLab projects? I think that would help minetest-mods with the recently moved projects
15:42 * BillyS sends popcorn through IRC
15:42 BillyS 🍿
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15:43 BillyS o/ benrob
15:43 tenplus1 I still think all git sites should allow linking to one another, just the front-end differs with some special services
15:43 rdococ Shara: I'm sorry, I have a fairly bad memory so I can't remember things too well. I may have misremembered about what you said, but you were definitely as annoyed as he was. Please don't think I'm an asshole.
15:43 rdococ Please.
15:43 rubenwardy correct link: https://developer.arm.com/products/architecture/a-profile/docs/ddi0487/latest/arm-architecture-reference-manual-armv8-for-armv8-a-architecture-profile
15:43 Shara I'm allowed to be annoyed. All's good with me if you just let it drop though. I don't have energy for fighting people.
15:44 rubenwardy Krock: with  https://gitautomirror.rubenwardy.com   you could
15:44 rubenwardy If I ever got around to finishing it
15:44 rdococ I barely have energy to get out of bed.
15:44 Krock already seen datasheets with several hundred pages, but that ARM one is a monstrosity
15:44 BillyS I am bursting with energy
15:45 * tenplus1 is bursting for the toilet
15:45 benrob0329 I don't understand why people are so rood towards those who don't trust Microsoft
15:45 BillyS xD
15:45 benrob0329 I mean, they definitly don't have a history of trying to screw everyone over
15:46 rubenwardy fun fact: ARM was original called  Acorn Computers
15:46 rubenwardy they made a computer called the Acorn RISC Machine
15:46 rubenwardy look at those initials
15:46 tenplus1 I used one of those at school :) was fun
15:46 rubenwardy well, *ISA not computer
15:47 benrob0329 and yet at the same time, I think Microsoft could have truly changed
15:47 rubenwardy it's actually more complicated than that: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arm_Holdings#History
15:48 tenplus1 I wouldnt trust M$ as far as I could throw them...
15:48 Shara benrob0329: I'm not for or against either group, just don't like the disruption it brings to MT...
15:49 benrob0329 tenplus1: Not far then, its difficult to throw an intangeble legal entity
15:49 Shara And sure, I wish MS had not bought github, because I don't like them, but also seems messed up to fall over ourselves running away
15:50 Shara I now have to go to four different sites for the mods that were previously on one...not so much fun :)
15:50 benrob0329 Shara: on one hand, yes. On the other, M$ has a history I'd rather not be a part of
15:50 tenplus1 they already had a kick ass deveklopment system they use for their programmers so whyyy buy github ?!? there must be a reason
15:50 Shara Sure ten, but would have been nice if everyone had moved to the same place
15:50 benrob0329 Honestly though, I moved to Gitlab a while back, and now I get a free t-shirt because of it :PP
15:51 tenplus1 minetest git...  although depending where the main game ends up I'll prolly end up moving there too
15:51 tenplus1 although I do like notabug
15:51 Shara Well you having your mods on notabug is seriously annoying for the moment
15:51 BillyS I'm still on github, mainly because I'm too lazy to move
15:51 BillyS Although I have a gitlab account
15:52 Krock It ARM were a GNU-like project, it would be called something like ARM RISC Machine
15:53 shivajiva the reasons are about public perception and marketability of the company looking forward ;)
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15:54 Shara My mods will stay on github until when/if MT itself moves
15:54 tumeninodes ^
15:54 Shara And I'll be far les slikely to use mods stored anywhere else, and in some cases will simply be making my own forks of mods that have been removed
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15:55 tumeninodes best scenario, would be for people to keep their github acct rolling, with a back up in place for when/if things start to get funky
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15:57 tenplus1 hi mister
15:57 Mr_Pardison Hey
15:57 Mr_Pardison Using tablet, hard to type fast
15:58 tumeninodes I have opened 1 repo with several free git hosts to see what they're like. I'm hopeful sourceforge makes some more changes
15:59 Mr_Pardison So, I was taking with some other people and they said that in order to improve MT, a tutorial should be included or at least made an option.
16:01 rubenwardy ew sourceforge
16:01 rubenwardy just don't use that
16:01 rubenwardy maaallllwwwaaarrreee
16:01 ANAND really?
16:01 tenplus1 for anyone that needs them, mobs redo and farming redo are cloned on github
16:01 Mr_Pardison Opinion, comments, feedback on that?
16:02 tumeninodes rubenwardy https://sourceforge.net/blog/introducing-the-new-sourceforge/
16:02 rubenwardy permanently ruined
16:02 rubenwardy the software is also terrible
16:02 tumeninodes notably this https://sourceforge.net/blog/sourceforge-now-scans-all-projects-for-malware-and-displays-warnings-on-downloads/
16:03 rubenwardy malware should be allowed, as long as it's advertised properly
16:04 rubenwardy oh wait, > warnings
16:04 tumeninodes haha
16:04 rubenwardy https://github.com/malwares/PlasmaRAT
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16:04 tumeninodes hey, the genral public like to be given the option to install malware
16:04 BillyS xD
16:05 rubenwardy more for researchers
16:05 BillyS Although, it's commonly called "Windows", not malware
16:05 Mr_Pardison Try
16:05 tumeninodes which most windows users do on a regular basis..., especially the OS they use
16:05 Mr_Pardison *tru
16:05 rdococ Malware detected: Win32
16:06 tumeninodes of course, remember alot of malware software IS, malware
16:07 tumeninodes the Norton, ant-virus..., virus
16:07 tenplus1 notron embeds itself into the system so deep it's scarey
16:07 tumeninodes yyyyyep
16:08 tumeninodes funny MS has money tied into the anti-virus companies they pushed... (I mean "promoted"
16:09 tumeninodes install our software to detect and guard against malware..., except our malware..., which isn't malware..., per-se
16:12 BillyS malware, spyware, there's a difference! :P
16:13 Mr_Pardison One has bad intentions the other aims to spy on you
16:21 tumeninodes oh, so there's a difference then?
16:22 tumeninodes why would anyone ever want to spy on me..., I am quite boring :D
16:22 rubenwardy election interference
16:22 Mr_Pardison I'm also quite boring
16:23 tenplus1 they wanna know how you feel about certain subjects and how you would vote etc. watching ppl is what they do
16:23 tumeninodes the only election interference I cause is running through voting stations in a thong woohooing like daffy duck
16:23 tenplus1 lol
16:24 tumeninodes oh..., while holding sparklers
16:24 Mr_Pardison XD
16:24 tenplus1 you dont work for the "Raving Looney Party" <-- actual uk electoral party
16:24 tumeninodes I'm for the "ME" party
16:24 tenplus1 Windows ME ?
16:24 tumeninodes ogm my eyes.... they burrrrnnnnn
16:25 Mr_Pardison tumeninodes: what a coincidence. So am I.
16:25 tumeninodes vote for me then
16:25 tumeninodes (meaning you)
16:25 Mr_Pardison Gladly.
16:25 CWz i wonder if minetest will run on windows me
16:26 tumeninodes no no..., no one wants me in charge.., I want to dump all violent criminals into the ocean :) but enough politicaltics
16:26 tumeninodes and that idea hurts the violent criminals feeling so...
16:27 Mr_Pardison Bah.
16:27 tumeninodes anyway... wth did I pop on for??? I had something in mind before I sidetracked everything
16:30 tumeninodes you know, violent criminals could be used to rebuild the coral reefs... (just a thought)
16:30 Mr_Pardison They could.
16:30 tumeninodes lotta organic matter there
16:31 Mr_Pardison And it would decrease the overcrowding problem
16:31 tumeninodes 1 boat = 2 solutions
16:31 tumeninodes yep that too
16:31 tumeninodes =3 solutions or more
16:32 tumeninodes ease the $ burden on the citizenry, definitely start making people think twice about committing a violent crime, etc
16:33 Mr_Pardison Many birds with one stone
16:33 tumeninodes feeds the pretty fishies.... I love fishies
16:33 tenplus1 I agree, it takes a lot of money to keep anyone in jail... have them rebuild roads, remove grafitti etc, something to have them pay for jail time
16:33 tumeninodes nope, that's forced manual slave labour... not allowed
16:34 tumeninodes it's against their rights
16:34 tenplus1 yet they are allowed to have tv's and game consoles etc. in their cell and special diets that are better than care homes and the elderly that pay to be there
16:34 rubenwardy are you talking about fertilisation?
16:34 rubenwardy wait, what?
16:34 tumeninodes in the US, criminals have more rights and laws to protect them than their victims have
16:35 rubenwardy err
16:35 rubenwardy prison should be for rehabilitation not punishment
16:35 rubenwardy if that's possible
16:35 rubenwardy so maybe they shouldn't have games consoles or tvs in their cell
16:35 rubenwardy but it still shouldn't be a hellhole
16:37 rubenwardy also, not everyone in prison has a victim
16:37 tumeninodes I am speaking of violent criminals
16:37 BillyS Prison sounds kinad fun
16:37 BillyS *kinda
16:38 tumeninodes meanwhile, in MTG.... :)
16:38 BillyS xD
16:38 rubenwardy violant criminals can still reform though, and they should be given opportunaties to do so through education and such
16:38 tumeninodes :|
16:38 rubenwardy but work should also be available to them for increase benefits
16:39 tumeninodes 1 in 50-100 violent criminals can/will ever be rehabilitated
16:39 tumeninodes and half of those will say they are, and then repeat offend shortly after release
16:40 BillyS Personally, I think that if you are gonna murder without a good reason, you need a lot more hen education
16:40 BillyS *then
16:40 rubenwardy violent criminal != murder
16:40 tumeninodes wll then people like to say everyone has their own opinion of a good reason
16:40 rubenwardy includes bank robbery and such
16:40 tenplus1 education in prison will go a long way to learning new skills and the chance of a job when you leave
16:40 BillyS Fair point
16:40 rubenwardy I think there is a compromise here anyway
16:41 tenplus1 but your violent offenders that keep doing what they do... there has to be something that can be done to stop that happening again
16:41 tumeninodes fishies, coral reefs
16:42 rubenwardy in most cases crime is related to poverty and lack of education
16:42 rubenwardy anyway, offtopic :'(
16:42 tumeninodes yeh
16:43 tumeninodes oh well... anyway.., I need to gather interest in adding the ability to call node-defs from within a TP
16:43 tumeninodes who's in? :D
16:43 tumeninodes wow, that was quick
16:43 tenplus1 TP ?
16:43 rubenwardy I don't think it should be lua really, maybe a JSON or XML file
16:43 tumeninodes texture pack
16:43 tumeninodes xml would due great
16:44 tumeninodes flexible
16:44 tumeninodes just to be able to do say, set animation, speed, etc
16:45 tumeninodes maybe even texture modifiers and so on
16:45 tumeninodes *do
16:45 rubenwardy do you know of texture overrides?
16:45 rubenwardy only works on tiles of nodes
16:45 tumeninodes but don;t want to have to do it via a mod
16:45 rubenwardy texture overrides is a file in a texture pack
16:46 rubenwardy overrides.txt
16:46 rubenwardy look in the tp ddocs
16:46 tumeninodes well shit
16:46 tumeninodes so I can set the defs of say a animated.png with an override.txt file?
16:47 tumeninodes slapped inside the TP?
16:47 rubenwardy one thing it can't do is animations
16:47 tumeninodes drat
16:47 rubenwardy you can only set the tiles to a string
16:47 rubenwardy not to a table (ala animations)
16:47 rubenwardy see the docs, they're good
16:47 rubenwardy not that I wrote them or anything
16:47 tumeninodes haha
16:47 tumeninodes I have looked at them a few times... never noticed that though
16:48 tumeninodes but that is the biggest reason I would like to push to have that ability added
16:49 tumeninodes it's either that or TP can just be done a mod, which is a heavier method
16:49 * Mr_Pardison hands tumeninodes some movestones to get the push started
16:50 tenplus1 lol
16:51 tumeninodes herrrrrrrrgh.... these things are heavy
16:52 tumeninodes whoah, I seem to be missing some letters today
16:52 tumeninodes Make Texture Packs Great Again!
16:53 tumeninodes or for short..., mtpgahhhhhhh
17:03 tumeninodes rubenwardy, do you have a link to that specific info?
17:03 rubenwardy docs/texture_packs.txt or smth
17:03 Fixer flightgear is hosted on SF
17:04 Fixer rubenwardy: have you looked into that weird code in cloudlands?
17:04 rubenwardy I read through it, and it's a bunch or registers and such
17:04 Fixer wat
17:04 rubenwardy wonder if CDB should ban obfuscated code
17:04 Fixer rubenwardy has 64gb ram 40 core computer?
17:04 rubenwardy rubenwardy's work does
17:05 rubenwardy it's my work machine
17:05 tenplus1 if only... heh... I have a max of 4gb intel atom 1.8ghz ht
17:06 Fixer rubenwardy: you probably opening it wrong, via shitadobe pdf reader
17:06 rubenwardy yeah, evince
17:07 tenplus1 ruben, try epdfviewer
17:07 tenplus1 that one's pretty handy
17:07 tenplus1 linux
17:08 Fixer i've noticed PC user inequality rises
17:09 tenplus1 also calibre may be able to splir pdf file into more readable chunks
17:09 Fixer i see tons of people with ridiculously low fps everywhere and 1080ti-change-every-year-dudes
17:10 Fixer rubenwardy: but why would you need 40 core PC? do you use all cores?
17:10 rubenwardy yes, regularly
17:10 rubenwardy https://cdn.pbrd.co/images/HpzUZxP.png
17:10 rubenwardy Fixer, tenplus1^
17:10 rubenwardy I'm working on security for the Android OS
17:11 rubenwardy so I regularly have to build the Linux kernel and all the ASOP components
17:11 Krock is dat enoug dedtated wam to run minecraft?
17:11 tenplus1 how long does that usually take on that setup ?
17:11 rubenwardy about 3 hours
17:11 Fixer rubenwardy: BUT DOES FIREFOX 52ESR LAG ON IT?
17:11 rubenwardy from scratch
17:12 rubenwardy Minetest takes 30 seconds to build from scratch
17:12 tenplus1 speaking of which, is 0.4.17-1 available for download yet on linux ?
17:12 tenplus1 the fixed verison
17:12 rubenwardy > linux
17:13 Krock yes sure. but you'll have to compile it until the ubuntu PPA is updated
17:13 Krock > verison  > 0.4.17-1
17:13 tenplus1 not so much the ubuntu ppa but the launchpad download
17:14 aerozoic too bad Amazon codecommit doesn't do public repos
17:14 tenplus1 https://launchpad.net/~minetestdevs/+archive/ubuntu/stable
17:14 Krock ^ that's what I meant
17:17 rubenwardy I see why my friend who worked here got a threadripper soon after leaving
17:18 rubenwardy apart from the good pay and lack of responsibilities
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17:38 tenplus1 o/ gary
17:40 garywhite o/
17:42 aerozoic notabug looks very similar to github
17:42 tenplus1 that's why I like it :) and it's fast... and a few easier to read features
17:43 aerozoic i wonder if it also will host jekyl websites?
17:44 tenplus1 ???
17:44 aerozoic static pages like github pages
17:44 tenplus1 oh
17:50 Shara Anyone have recommendations for survival servers that are actually difficult in some way?
17:50 tenplus1 *cough*
17:51 Shara I love Xanadu, but it ain't difficult :P
17:51 tenplus1 ehehe
17:53 tenplus1 might have to redo the monster damage levels
18:14 tumeninodes ok, who wants to attempt adding alpha to the crack animation in the engine? :P
18:15 tumeninodes recommendations/ideas to make things difficult???
18:16 tenplus1 for survival ?
18:16 tumeninodes create and add a task api
18:18 tumeninodes player (along with foraging) needs to complete task A to be able to obtain a specified survival skill
18:18 tumeninodes of simply allow spawn killing..., that makes survival pretty difficult from the start
18:21 tenplus1 hwo about Real Torch mod, make it so normal torches go out after a time and can be relit... would scare the crap out of players if they did that while underground :D
18:22 tumeninodes even better, make it so they have to dip the torch into some form of pitch, tar, or oil to be able to light it with flint&steel, set a burn time
18:23 Krock tenplus1, tested that mod on a server several years ago - but it was awful to re-fill all torches :'(
18:23 tenplus1 flint & steel can relight torches :) or gunpowder... but if you us gunpowder on a lit torch it goes boom boom
18:23 tumeninodes and they would need to have some cloth as well. craft a torch with stick and cloth, then dip into substance
18:24 Krock they needed to be right-clicked with coal, however
18:24 tenplus1 Krock: it only makes survival more difficult in that torches act real, they even drop when water is next to them
18:24 tenplus1 you can use coal powder, gun powder or flint & steel to relight :)
18:24 * Krock cries in ABMs
18:24 tumeninodes yes, torches should definitely not remain lit/placable under water
18:25 tenplus1 the water drop feature is light :) dont worry krock
18:25 tumeninodes they should go out as fire:flames do
18:25 Fixer lol
18:25 tenplus1 and we have abritorches on xanadu as permanent light for players to aspire to :D
18:25 Fixer notabug now has some minetest related repos
18:25 tumeninodes mese lamps are ok for underwater
18:26 tumeninodes but not torches..., that's just sick and twisted
18:26 tenplus1 torches underwater are cheating...  abritorches work only cause they are mostly crystal light
18:27 tumeninodes there should also be a chance setting for some foods to be spoiled and make the player sick
18:27 tumeninodes a bad apple for instance
18:27 tenplus1 would require an inventory check every so often, wouldnt that be heavy
18:28 tumeninodes ok then... a parasidic worm in an apple, that feeds and grows inside the player until they get so bloated..,they explode or turn into a raging zombie and...
18:28 tumeninodes neh..... nvm
18:30 tenplus1 player poop mod... after every food item start a timer, 10 minutes later a poop item appears behind player :D
18:30 rubenwardy XD
18:30 tumeninodes a parkour maze with exploding nodes randomnly spread around which detonate when jumped on
18:30 tenplus1 ahh, the on_walk_over function in playerplus would handle that nicely
18:31 sofar hmm, that would make for a fun ITB box
18:31 tenplus1 o/ sofar
18:32 tumeninodes exactly
18:32 rubenwardy #FreeITB
18:32 tumeninodes dysentery mod
18:32 sofar lol!
18:33 * tumeninodes is imagining the number of overly excited, screaming kids playing ITB with exploding parkour
18:33 tenplus1 parkour is fun, especialyl timed bombs
18:34 tumeninodes oh yeahhhhhh
18:34 tumeninodes whchagotthere? "It's a whammy kablammy
18:34 rubenwardy Fixer: didn't know you made receipts https://i.redd.it/ma4udd4xqj311.jpg
18:35 rubenwardy G A R L I C
18:35 Fixer lol
18:35 Fixer O R G A N I C
18:35 sofar food nutrition labels gone wild
18:36 Fixer is there nonorganic garlic I have not seen?
18:36 Krock G A R L I C  B R E A D  M E M E S
18:36 Fixer how can it be nonorganic? It is organic by definition
18:36 rubenwardy Heh
18:36 sofar of course garlic can be non-organic
18:37 Fixer plastic garlic?
18:37 rubenwardy Organic usually means that no chemicals were used on it
18:37 tumeninodes truth in packaging, just got some cheddar cheese thingies yesterday that state "No artificial colours OR flavoring" result: there is NO flavour, so they are at least honest
18:37 rubenwardy Only came into contact with natural thinfa
18:37 Krock gj. found the same recipe image in r/CrappyDesign after the first sub guess
18:37 rubenwardy I guess
18:38 Fixer in some East Europe countries 50% of cheese is made of nonmilk
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18:38 tenplus1 hi DI3HARD139
18:39 tumeninodes so..., it's non-cheese?
18:39 Fixer yeah, but they still lie
18:39 Fixer saying it is cheese
18:39 sofar "cheese fantasy"
18:39 DI3HARD139 Hello
18:39 tumeninodes I'd like to order a large non-cheese pizza please
18:40 tumeninodes nothing we eat today is real... even bananas are fake now
18:41 tumeninodes and eating healthy can get quite expensive..., seems it cost more to do nothing to food.., than to load it with shit 0_o
18:41 Fixer "organic - relating or belonging to the class of chemical compounds having a carbon basis"
18:41 sofar that's the chemical definition
18:41 tumeninodes mmmm, I do love me some carbon
18:41 sofar on food nutrition labels in the US, it refers to the FDA definition
18:42 tumeninodes should be the FU-DA
18:42 sofar sorry, not FDA, USDA
18:42 tumeninodes awe, you ruined my joke....
18:42 * tumeninodes stomps out
18:42 Fixer maybe we have silicon based garlic somewhere in USA?
18:42 sofar https://www.ams.usda.gov/rules-regulations/organic
18:42 Fixer we just don't know it
18:43 Fixer lol, that is some big document, tl;dr
18:43 * tumeninodes is looking at the garlic crust pizza he is eating from last night
18:44 BillyS LOL, I turned one of my players into a midget. xD
18:44 * tumeninodes shrugs..., continues eating
18:44 tenplus1 lol
18:44 BillyS Someone should make a mod for that ... maybe me
18:45 tumeninodes you should do that right now
18:46 tumeninodes maybe someone should add organic garlic to farming.... sshhh, there I just reset the counter ; )
18:46 tenplus1 lol, already have
18:46 benrob0329 is anything in MT not organic?
18:46 Fixer not yet, but I hope tin/brone will find a use in future MTG
18:47 tumeninodes whoah? we have brone now??!!
18:47 tumeninodes when was that added?
18:47 sofar pixels are not on the allowed chemicals list, so they are inorganic
18:48 tumeninodes pixels have rights too ya know
18:48 Fixer bronze
18:48 Fixer i mean
18:48 Fixer also, what is brone?
18:48 tumeninodes spoiled brine
18:49 tumeninodes i.e. "My, this brine is brone..., I will throw it away"
18:50 tumeninodes I'm posting a poll to turn the character name to "Brah"
18:56 tumeninodes so, according to non-organinc things allowed in foods labeled as "organic", the organic food which people pay more for, is probably fairly un-organic.... haha, suckaz
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19:05 ssieb hi
19:09 tenplus1 in 0.4.17 when adjusting player collisionbox to half height, why wont the player fall to the ground ???
19:10 nerzhul https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DffWzL2W4AIepN1.jpg haha
19:10 tenplus1 lol
19:11 tumeninodes omg! hahaha
19:11 Krock is the "woman" next to Trump Macron?
19:11 nerzhul it's the canadian prime minister
19:11 tumeninodes Trueno
19:12 nerzhul there is no Macron here
19:12 tumeninodes ha
19:12 Krock yes it would've been weird if it was Macron because they're not like best friends
19:12 tenplus1 does changing player collosionbox actually do anything in 0.4.17 ???
19:13 tumeninodes of course it does... it..., changes the players collisionbox... jeesh
19:13 tenplus1 sadly no, player can be tiny but still floats in air
19:13 tenplus1 am wondering if this is a 0.5x feature only
19:14 Krock also change the selection box?
19:15 Krock one of them does not work for 0.4.x players
19:15 tenplus1 tried both
19:16 tenplus1 changed visual_size to 0.5 and halved y values in collision and selectionbox and player floats in mid air
19:17 tumeninodes hey, look what I just found https://projects.coworkery.com/minetest-games/minetest_game
19:17 tumeninodes do you have to change step height too?
19:18 tenplus1 step height is only for walking up nodes, shouldnt affect gravity of model
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19:18 MinetestBot IhrFussel: Jun-12 04:53 UTC <paramat> stereo sound that fades with distance is therefore located in the world, so it should also be directional. one without the other is very weird and not useful so openAL doesn't do it. "You seem to focus too much on the idea of positional being 3D" lol they're identical. "But that is how reality works!" no, a stereo sound system is also directional, it's 2 directional sound sources
19:18 MinetestBot IhrFussel: Jun-12 04:57 UTC <sofar> see issue 1823
19:18 tenplus1 o/ fussel
19:19 IhrFussel !tell paramat Stereo sounds *already* work with OpenAL just the fading is missing ... stereo sounds simply only play within the specified radius (max_hear_distance) and again IMO it can be useful to just lower the volume based purely on position distance
19:19 MinetestBot IhrFussel: yeah, sure, whatever
19:20 IhrFussel Hi there tenplus1 ... is the stamina mod compatible with any other mod that uses do_item_eat() ?
19:21 tenplus1 it overrides core.do_item_eat
19:24 IhrFussel So it breaks other eating mods?
19:24 tenplus1 yes, it shouldnt be used with other eating mods
19:24 IhrFussel I mean other items to eat
19:25 tenplus1 explain
19:25 IhrFussel What if I want to add a mod that simply has one eatable item
19:25 tenplus1 then it'll work dine
19:25 tenplus1 *fine
19:25 tenplus1 as you eat an item whatever value is inside do_eat(number) will be added to stamina/hunger or removed as poison
19:28 garywhite Minetest - In Stereo Where Available
19:32 sofar IhrFussel: fading for stereo is not supported by openal and nonsensical, it will never be supported
19:33 sofar in the linked bug report I listed the alternatives
19:37 IhrFussel To me it's only nonsensical to FORCE everyone to convert their sounds to mono
19:37 tumeninodes https://startups.coworkery.com/#minetestedu  heh, so cool
19:38 IhrFussel Stereo is the standard today
19:40 Krock but only if you could specify two positions for the playback
19:42 rubenwardy Lol
19:44 tumeninodes openAL soft supports stereo https://github.com/kcat/openal-soft
19:49 tenplus1 nite all
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19:50 tumeninodes g'nite tenplus1
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19:55 tumeninodes woops, nvm openAL soft was already mentioned and looked into by sofar
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20:32 xerox123 \o o/
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21:03 xerox123 gnite all o/
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22:58 Fixer sooo
22:59 Fixer downloaded drivers for mid2000 PC (vga, mb, sound, network, raid) - 67mb, HOW ABOUT THAT, ELON!
23:01 Fixer and that is for W95-WXP long support
23:02 Fixer current 2008-era craptop has 700mb of shit-drivers shipping chtulhu knows what
23:02 Fixer probably NSA/China spyware written in .NET
23:03 Fixer and that is just for Win7.........
23:16 Fixer and ofc it had that insert floppy to install sata driver before xp install, and floppy was ERROR 40
23:17 Fixer how player autoforward works in minetest?
23:50 rubenwardy https://steamcommunity.com/updates/chatupdate  :O
23:55 Fixer rubenwardy: steam vs discord?
23:55 rubenwardy ?
23:55 rubenwardy That's the new steam system, they've finally updated it
23:55 Fixer rubenwardy: steam copies discord features...
23:55 Fixer i guess
23:56 Fixer last time I used steam was like 10 years ago
23:56 rubenwardy And discord copies loads of other services
23:56 Fixer yeah

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