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| 00:09 |
paramat |
afaik it's ok for water because that is a different Irrlicht 'material' or something .. |
| 00:09 |
paramat |
still buggy for water though in some situations |
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rdococ |
https://venturebeat.com/2018/04/06/why-and-how-gitlab-abandoned-microsoft-azure-for-google-cloud/ |
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| 01:29 |
rdococ |
(disclaimer: source has unknown reliability) |
| 01:30 |
ANAND |
Bitter-sweet rivalry :) |
| 01:31 |
rdococ |
I also found this: https://savannah.nongnu.org/ |
| 01:31 |
rdococ |
Also, https://github.com/upend/IF_MS_BUYS_GITHUB_IMMA_OUT exploded in popularity |
| 01:33 |
rdococ |
https://git.scuttlebot.io/ appears to be a decentralized github alternative, unsure though |
| 01:40 |
rdococ |
This seems of interest: https://peers.community/ |
| 02:00 |
Jordach |
lmaoooooo |
| 02:00 |
Jordach |
satya's microsoft != ballmer's microsoft |
| 02:02 |
benrob0329 |
rdococ: you do realize that scuttlebutt doesn't support multiple devices, right? |
| 02:02 |
benrob0329 |
and if you loose your profile you're done |
| 02:02 |
rdococ |
again, unsure |
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| 02:02 |
benrob0329 |
I'd just self-host Git if I was that worried |
| 02:02 |
rdococ |
Jordach: We have no idea what satya will do, I wasn't even aware of a change in CEO |
| 02:03 |
Jordach |
rdococ: satya loves the cloud and open source |
| 02:03 |
Jordach |
it's why microsoft has gone azure instead of windows focused under ballmer |
| 02:03 |
Jordach |
hell, ms' build tools are crazy these days |
| 02:04 |
rdococ |
Jordach: windows 10 makes me skeptical |
| 02:04 |
rdococ |
well, it's not just that ofc |
| 02:04 |
Jordach |
rdococ: when in rome, do as the googlers do |
| 02:04 |
rdococ |
I don't use google but okay |
| 02:04 |
Jordach |
you still get the idea |
| 02:04 |
rdococ |
"Satya is the Sanskrit word for truth." |
| 02:08 |
Jordach |
rdococ: yet Windows Subsystem for Linux |
| 02:09 |
Jordach |
you can run Ubuntu or Red Hat inside windows natively, and have instant bash |
| 02:10 |
rdococ |
I need a more up to date source of news, lol |
| 02:10 |
Jordach |
less phoronix then |
| 02:10 |
Jordach |
:^) |
| 02:12 |
rdococ |
I checked, nadella was CEO when MS acquired YKW |
| 02:12 |
rdococ |
it was his first major acquisition as CEO too |
| 02:12 |
rdococ |
I wonder if he'll eventually release it as OSS |
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nerzhul |
Fixer, issues are shown only if you are logged in on gitlab (same for PR) |
| 05:11 |
nerzhul |
i changed the settings now to make it public if you don't want to login, they are old but it's an example |
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| 12:50 |
Krock |
well, it's evolving: https://i.imgur.com/Ppx2l9Z.png |
| 12:51 |
nerzhul |
nice, you can make money if you make bread on trees :D |
| 12:51 |
nerzhul |
what is that ? |
| 12:52 |
Krock |
that's stapled bread .. on a tree. nothing special |
| 12:54 |
nerzhul |
it's a new core engine feature, a bug or a mod ? |
| 12:58 |
Krock |
a new core feature of course. 0.6.0-dev only. lol, no. it's just a fun mod |
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rdococ |
Krock: bread is a staple food of some particular cultures ;) |
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| 14:32 |
cx384 |
I just noticed Microsoft acquired GitHub. :'( |
| 14:36 |
rdococ |
<Microsoft> Yay, I can see your private repos! |
| 15:05 |
Fixer |
HOOOOLD ONNNN TOOO IITTT #vaporwave #github |
| 15:51 |
BillyS |
Is there some way to make node metadata be preserved even when the node is broken? |
| 15:52 |
rdococ |
swap_node? |
| 15:52 |
BillyS |
Ah, the "preserve_metadata" callbakc is what I'm looking for |
| 15:52 |
BillyS |
*callback |
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* rdococ |
calls BillyS back |
| 16:02 |
BillyS |
yay |
| 16:02 |
* BillyS |
says yay and bounces off again |
| 16:02 |
* rdococ |
yays, turning BillyS into a yay |
| 16:03 |
* BillyS |
fiddles with os.date |
| 16:03 |
* rdococ |
glitches lua and accidentally acquires it |
| 16:06 |
BillyS |
rdococ, what does get_meta return on failure? |
| 16:07 |
BillyS |
nil, I suppose |
| 16:07 |
* rdococ |
gives BillyS the holy book of lua_api.txt |
| 16:08 |
BillyS |
heh |
| 16:08 |
rdococ |
"And c55 said, "let there be nodes."" |
| 16:08 |
Krock |
BillyS, which meta? player or node? |
| 16:09 |
Krock |
or itemstack? |
| 16:10 |
BillyS |
I got confused |
| 16:10 |
BillyS |
Krock: I was actaully taking about meta:get_string() |
| 16:10 |
Krock |
the player meta returns nil. itemstack will throw an error (either Lua or segfault). and the node meta always returns something |
| 16:11 |
Krock |
ah. yes, string returns empty string. |
| 16:11 |
BillyS |
I thought so. thx. |
| 16:13 |
BillyS |
Hmm . . does the "preserve_metadata" callback only work on later versions of minetest? |
| 16:13 |
Krock |
check git blame |
| 16:14 |
Krock |
#6604 Dec 2017 |
| 16:14 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6604 -- Preserve node metadata as item metadata. by ashtrayoz |
| 16:14 |
BillyS |
So, thats a yes. (I think( |
| 16:14 |
BillyS |
*) |
| 16:14 |
BillyS |
rats, |
| 16:15 |
Krock |
that a yesn't because it's already contained in Minetest 0.5.0-dev |
| 16:15 |
BillyS |
Hmm |
| 16:15 |
rdococ |
yesn't is another word for no |
| 16:15 |
Krock |
consider bookmarking the stable-0.4 version of the lua_api.txt file when you're targetting on 0.4.x compat |
| 16:16 |
rdococ |
it's basically "not yes" |
| 16:16 |
BillyS |
That's . . . problomatic |
| 16:16 |
Krock |
rdococ, yes. |
| 16:16 |
BillyS |
I'm trying to make a node which preserves its infotext |
| 16:16 |
BillyS |
But apparently that it's possible (yet) |
| 16:17 |
BillyS |
Not without some "hacks" |
| 16:18 |
* rdococ |
hacks the yay, and yays |
| 16:19 |
BillyS |
Maybe I could do some horrific thing involving player metadata |
| 16:19 |
Krock |
BillyS, you can still adapt that 0.5.0-dev change into your mod by changing the core.node_dig() function |
| 16:20 |
BillyS |
Erm, how do I do that? xD |
| 16:21 |
rdococ |
a "0.5.0 hax" mod for 0.4.17 to incorporate some 0.5.0-dev features very hackily |
| 16:21 |
rdococ |
would be cool... I think |
| 16:22 |
Krock |
rdococ, would be awful to maintain .... I think |
| 16:22 |
BillyS |
Well, the server is being hosted by DI3, but I'm not sure what MT version he uses |
| 16:23 |
BillyS |
Ah, I found the core.node_dig function |
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| 17:21 |
rdococ |
I'm kinda sad that the minetest repo wasn't moved to notabug.org... |
| 17:26 |
xerox123 |
I'll believe the need to change when something breaks with github, until then it's pointless imo |
| 17:27 |
BillyS |
^ |
| 17:27 |
BillyS |
Minetest is open-source anyways, so who cares if Megastupid gets it? |
| 17:28 |
rdococ |
Microsoft does have a large incentive not to fuck up GitHub (otherwise even more people will flee from it, resulting in hopefully less profit) |
| 17:33 |
rdococ |
also, people aren't just leaving due to Microsoft... |
| 17:42 |
rdococ |
HueMans |
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rdococ |
I remember my idea of an ingame cryptocurrency |
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| 18:49 |
Fixer |
lol, $5 |
| 18:49 |
shivajiva |
github lost $66 million last quarter and has never turned a profit, this is about pr and what it brings to azure afaik |
| 18:49 |
Fixer |
shivajiva: source? |
| 18:50 |
Fixer |
shivajiva: their finstatements are closed from public |
| 18:50 |
shivajiva |
all businesses have to file, let me see if I can find the source article |
| 18:54 |
shivajiva |
https://thenextweb.com/dd/2018/06/04/what-github-and-microsoft-have-to-gain-from-the-acquisition/ |
| 18:54 |
shivajiva |
seems I'm mistaken it was the first 9 months of 2016 they lost $66 million |
| 18:55 |
shivajiva |
but I don't believe they have turned a dime of profit since then |
| 18:56 |
Fixer |
shivajiva: seems like they are private entity that do not disclose that info, 66 million was a leak, there is only speculations about their revenues/profits |
| 18:57 |
shivajiva |
as with all businesses a small fee will get you the filed accounts |
| 18:58 |
shivajiva |
duty of care means investors need to see how the business is performing |
| 19:02 |
Fixer |
" privately held companies are not generally required to publish their financial statements" (for US according to wikipedia) |
| 19:11 |
shivajiva |
yea, I can't see a way to acquire their tax returns either so only leaked info as the source as you pointed out |
| 19:13 |
shivajiva |
Fixer: do you believe they have turned a profit? |
| 19:13 |
Fixer |
no idea |
| 19:14 |
Fixer |
i have not researched it, i will let someone do it :} |
| 19:15 |
Fixer |
shivajiva: MS probably needs to disclose the figures, but not sure if github will be listed as separate department |
| 19:18 |
shivajiva |
Fixer: depends how they are required to list losses lmao |
| 19:19 |
Fixer |
i mean their yearly statements |
| 19:19 |
Fixer |
or quarterly |
| 19:19 |
shivajiva |
I know, I was being facetious ;) |
| 19:20 |
longerstaff13 |
o/ |
| 19:20 |
shivajiva |
Hi longer |
| 19:20 |
longerstaff13 |
Ello shiva, long time no speak |
| 19:20 |
rdococ |
Helloyays. |
| 19:21 |
longerstaff13 |
Hi rdococ |
| 19:21 |
shivajiva |
you never write, you never call... :D |
| 19:57 |
rubenwardy |
why doesn't gitlab allow you to only import repos on your own repo |
| 19:57 |
rubenwardy |
rather than all that you have write to |
| 19:57 |
rubenwardy |
this is silly |
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rdococ |
rubenwardyay |
| 19:59 |
rubenwardy |
:PO |
| 19:59 |
rubenwardy |
clicked all of them individually |
| 19:59 |
rubenwardy |
it also doesn't sync the public/private status |
| 20:00 |
rdococ |
hm, it'd be fun to have a procedurally generated game |
| 20:12 |
Fixer |
rdococ: roguelike minetest game |
| 20:12 |
Fixer |
but without some attributes, like step-like moves |
| 20:12 |
rdococ |
I'm working on a simple specification for procedural ore *type* generation |
| 20:12 |
rdococ |
some ores would make good swords, some good pickaxes |
| 20:12 |
Fixer |
sigh |
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Fixer |
it is like someone waits to force me to learn that lua that I don't want to learn and make that builder friendly wands mod |
| 20:14 |
Fixer |
with visualisation via entities |
| 20:15 |
rubenwardy |
L E A R N I T |
| 20:15 |
rdococ |
I think I have a memory problem |
| 20:16 |
rdococ |
I'd do more lua but my keyboard is partially broken so I have to keep some letters (n and b) in the clipboard to type well |
| 20:16 |
Fixer |
don't get me wrong, programming can be fun, but ones I do smth I then... never finish apart from writing a test function in python |
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Fixer |
i can reuse some code though, to move faster |
| 20:17 |
Fixer |
1) chunk visualisator 2) builder wands (replacer wands too) |
| 20:18 |
Fixer |
maybe some year |
| 20:19 |
Fixer |
good thing people finally started to code some AE-like mods |
| 20:19 |
Fixer |
minetest handling of storage is not horrible, it is very horrible |
| 20:19 |
rdococ |
AE> |
| 20:19 |
rdococ |
? |
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rdococ |
I'd like some form of procedurally generated technology where, rather than set progression stages such as circuitry, each world would have its own research tree |
| 20:22 |
Fixer |
applied energistics |
| 20:22 |
Fixer |
stuff like hard discs, terminals, crafting gruids, pipes, moving items |
| 20:22 |
Fixer |
very good stuff |
| 20:22 |
rdococ |
rubenwardy: you need a stone cutter to make a stone cutter, how will that work out in capitalism_game? |
| 20:22 |
Fixer |
accessing blocks |
| 20:22 |
rubenwardy |
\o/ |
| 20:23 |
rubenwardy |
undecided |
| 20:23 |
rdococ |
to be honest I like the idea of a game element you start with one of, and must replicate to get more |
| 20:24 |
rdococ |
maybe there should be a tedious, slow way to get a stone cutter that doesn't need one, then you can use it to speed up the process |
| 20:24 |
rdococ |
not too tedious, though. actually I really like this idea of "slow way to get something first, then you can speed it up (and eventually automate it)" |
| 20:28 |
rubenwardy |
my idea is they would buy them from shops |
| 20:28 |
rubenwardy |
but maybe is should be possible but very expensive to make it another way |
| 20:31 |
rdococ |
stock_market mod :P |
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rubenwardy |
argh |
| 20:50 |
rubenwardy |
need some fancy issue tracker for contentdb |
| 20:50 |
rubenwardy |
automatically makes issues on an error, links multiple instances of the same error together |
| 20:50 |
rubenwardy |
similar to crashlytics |
| 21:01 |
IhrFussel |
What happens when I set those 2 settings different? Like active_block_range = 1 active_object_send_range_blocks = 2 |
| 21:04 |
rubenwardy |
The MTBI will knock down your door |
| 21:07 |
rdococ |
Ä |
| 21:08 |
IhrFussel |
I mean will the first/second overwrite the other one? |
| 21:21 |
rdococ |
I want to create something like a "totem of undying", but if I use a hp change modifier to do it then it might get a non-final modifier and thinks you're going to die when you don't |
| 21:22 |
rdococ |
and if I use a normal callback the death screen pops up before it can intervene |
| 21:30 |
aerozoic |
O_O M$ is acquiring github? |
| 21:31 |
* aerozoic |
starts looking for a new git host |
| 21:31 |
rubenwardy |
gitlab.com seems to be a good choice |
| 21:31 |
rdococ |
there's gitlab... there's also notabug |
| 21:31 |
rubenwardy |
expect that it's by a company |
| 21:31 |
rubenwardy |
instead there's notabug.org |
| 21:31 |
rubenwardy |
it's ran by some foss advercates |
| 21:31 |
rubenwardy |
*advocates |
| 21:31 |
rubenwardy |
I don't really trust them with my code though, I'd rather self host |
| 21:33 |
nerzhul |
yeah gogs is nice for selfhost only currently, not for a big and serious project, like MT |
| 21:33 |
nerzhul |
if debian and gnome choose gitlab CE it's not without good reason and study |
| 21:33 |
nerzhul |
and we already have build pipelines for MT on gitlab :) |
| 21:35 |
rubenwardy |
gitlab is better than I remembered |
| 21:35 |
rubenwardy |
guess that's development for you |
| 21:36 |
nerzhul |
gitlab release a version per month |
| 21:36 |
nerzhul |
whereas GH releases when they want and it's generally 1 per 3 months |
| 21:36 |
nerzhul |
gitlab changelog is clear , GH is just dicsover it by yourself |
| 21:36 |
nerzhul |
they added a issue template menu on GH, but i never see a communication about this |
| 21:36 |
* rubenwardy |
just used try/finally for the first time |
| 21:36 |
rubenwardy |
feel like I'm doing something wrong |
| 21:37 |
nerzhul |
see that: https://github.com/ansible/ansible/issues/new/choose |
| 21:37 |
nerzhul |
they never communicate about this user menu |
| 21:37 |
nerzhul |
(which use the .github in the repo |
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tumeninodes |
strange thing I notice after upgrade to 0.4.17, inner and outer stairs are not in the inv or in the code but, the models are in the models folder. did I miss something? they were merged quite a while ago |
| 21:59 |
tumeninodes |
or, are they only going in for 0.5.0? I'm a bit confused here |
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lisac |
https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/8oud82/gitlab_ultimate_and_gold_now_free_for_education/ |
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paramat |
in the MTG backports branch the stairs mod only has the 'stair' model, no others |
| 22:46 |
paramat |
tumeninodes |
| 22:47 |
paramat |
in 0.5dev the models have been removed, we now use nodeboxes instead for all |
| 22:47 |
paramat |
maybe a mistake in the build you use? |
| 22:57 |
tumeninodes |
hmmm IDK, I updated to 0.4.17 and there are no inner or outer at all in inventory or the code but, the models are in the models folder. on my 0.5.0 build in another directory the inner and outer stairs are there |
| 23:01 |
paramat |
but where did you get your 0.4.17 from? the code in the repo differs from what you have |
| 23:02 |
tumeninodes |
i just updated via linux mint repo |
| 23:06 |
tumeninodes |
strange the obsidian glass pane does not seem to be in this build either. this is quite odd |
| 23:06 |
tumeninodes |
seems some things in the update to the repo may have gotten messed up somehow |
| 23:08 |
tumeninodes |
yep, no obsidian xpanes, yet the texture for obsidian edge is there, but no others we worked on |
| 23:08 |
tumeninodes |
and obsidian glass pane does not exist in code or inv |
| 23:11 |
tumeninodes |
... and the desert cobble is back to the orig pink morter colour. haha... wtf? |
| 23:12 |
tumeninodes |
sum-ting-wong |
| 23:33 |
* benrob0329 |
does not trust MS still, but feels a knee-jerk move would be a bad idea |
| 23:33 |
benrob0329 |
its also funny seeing all the Memes on Masto about this |
| 23:34 |
* rdococ |
runs from MS screaming |
| 23:34 |
tumeninodes |
just set youself up with a backup plan that's all. and continue to use github unless some drastic changes make that a non-option |
| 23:34 |
paramat |
mint repo probably has 0.4.16 stable or earlier |
| 23:34 |
benrob0329 |
I moved most of my stuff (the little I have) to Gitlab anyways a while ago |
| 23:35 |
benrob0329 |
found them to be a better platform, but I'd probably self-host in the future |
| 23:35 |
rubenwardy |
CDB no longer treats github specially (except OAuth2) - any git repo will allow importing of meta, screenshots, and releases now |
| 23:36 |
rubenwardy |
there's also a [Create] link on topics on your profile page, allowing you to easily add packages from forum topics |
| 23:36 |
* benrob0329 |
"oh dang"s KDE's update menu in the systray, it doesn't require any extra app to open (On OpenSUSE anyways) |
| 23:38 |
tumeninodes |
when did you switch to OpenSuse?? eeeeek |
| 23:40 |
benrob0329 |
Because it seems the least broken (not lacking packages) |
| 23:40 |
tumeninodes |
:/ |
| 23:41 |
benrob0329 |
I mean, Kubuntu ships Akregator that segmentation faults on starup |
| 23:41 |
benrob0329 |
and Debian is just old enough to lack features I need in stuff, while Testing is just new enough to break CUDA |
| 23:41 |
benrob0329 |
'SUSE seems like a nice mix, currently running tumbleweed |
| 23:42 |
tumeninodes |
it does seem some of the spins of main distros have been lacking/slacking as of late |
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