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| 00:07 |
paramat |
yes use 'get node light' if you want switching to depend on light level |
| 00:09 |
paramat |
0 = complete darkness, 15 = direct sunlight (open to sky) just choose a threshold |
| 00:11 |
paramat |
oh but |
| 00:11 |
paramat |
the light will prevent darkness, duh |
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paramat |
use time of day |
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| 00:13 |
tumeninodes |
ok paramat, I'll try that. Thank you |
| 00:18 |
tumeninodes |
wait, you mean minetest.get_timeofday right? |
| 00:31 |
paramat |
i think so |
| 00:32 |
tumeninodes |
I'm trying it now. No luck so far, although I have to know how to implement it. minetest.get_timeofday{ then it's a matter of how to set that time :P |
| 00:32 |
tumeninodes |
wiki explanations are so..., vague |
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| 00:36 |
paramat |
0 is midnight, 0.5 midday, 0.999 just before midnight |
| 00:37 |
paramat |
daylight would be roughly 0.25 to 0.75 |
| 00:37 |
paramat |
i would use an ABM interval of around 30s |
| 00:38 |
tumeninodes |
ohhhh, wait... ok I wiped the abm, and just tried using only get timeofday xP |
| 00:39 |
tumeninodes |
I'm so useless :D |
| 00:39 |
paramat |
then the ABM action would be: local tod = minetest.get_timeofday(), if (light off) and (tod between 0.25 and 0.75) then (turn on) ... |
| 00:40 |
paramat |
aha that would have run only once at mod load time |
| 00:42 |
tumeninodes |
ok, I still have 0 idea how to put that in code : / dang it |
| 00:43 |
tumeninodes |
right now I have the action as action = function(pos) minetest.swap_node(pos, {name = "sw_lighting:streetlamp_on"}) |
| 00:44 |
tumeninodes |
*{name = "sw_lighting:streetlamp_on}) |
| 00:45 |
tumeninodes |
woops nvm |
| 00:47 |
tumeninodes |
local can be added after function, yes? |
| 00:47 |
paramat |
yes the ABM action is a function so can be any code |
| 00:48 |
paramat |
'swap node' would be done where i write (turn on) |
| 00:48 |
tumeninodes |
ok starting to make some sense now |
| 00:50 |
paramat |
where i wrote '(tod between 0.25 and 0.75) then (turn on)' got that the wrong way around |
| 00:54 |
paramat |
local tod = minetest.get_timeofday() |
| 00:54 |
paramat |
if (off light) and (tod < 0.25 or tod > 0.75) then (swap to on light) |
| 00:55 |
paramat |
if (on light) and (tod > 0.25 and tod < 0.75) then (swap to off light) |
| 00:55 |
tumeninodes |
ok trying that, let me see if I can set it up correctly in the code |
| 01:01 |
paramat |
the ABM will provide the node it is acting on as 'node' |
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| 01:02 |
paramat |
i would use 'chance = 1' |
| 01:06 |
tumeninodes |
https://0bin.net/paste/sl6O6yBFXN-OhUN7#Dxd3FYUgz3QGMZa4N8kUgAwIb9GRFcr1pqPYYUXGlr0 trying to figure out what I have wrong so far, keep getting errors and trying to guess at fixes |
| 01:09 |
tumeninodes |
dang it, I have to scoot soon. have to go pick up my kid from his brother's :/. I apologize, I hate when I have to skip out when someone is being kind enough to take time to help |
| 01:13 |
tumeninodes |
looking at that old magic lantern mod, my style is so off. I have to do this all over, it's not only horrible looking but wrong :P I'll play with this more tomorrow |
| 01:13 |
tumeninodes |
thank you for the help paramat. I'll poke you tomorrow after I make more of a mess of it all :D |
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| 01:25 |
paramat |
no problem |
| 01:26 |
paramat |
will leave some advice here for you to see later |
| 01:33 |
paramat |
in the ABM: use a non-zero interval. the 'action' line should be: 'action = function(pos, node)'. first conditional should be: 'if node.name = "sw_lighting:streetlamp_off" and (tod < 0.25 or tod > 0.75) then (swap to on light)'. second conditional the opposite of that |
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| 02:31 |
paramat |
and 'nodenames = {}' should contain both light nodes |
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| 03:04 |
tumeninodes |
Thank you paramat. I just got back, left without logging out. |
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sofar |
ses12 launch live t-30s |
| 05:33 |
sofar |
huh, 128gb of data usage on minetestmedia.foo-projects.org |
| 05:33 |
sofar |
something changed significantly |
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| 05:50 |
sofar |
hmmm, at this pace I'll move it away from AWS |
| 06:03 |
* sofar |
tries to figure out what's happening with goaccess.io, which looks really useful |
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| 07:02 |
lisac |
hey, I updated #7008 |
| 07:02 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/7008 -- [WIP] Allow CSMs to register a function on keypress by lisacvuk |
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| 07:29 |
tenplus1 |
hi folks |
| 07:51 |
lisac |
hey tenplus1 |
| 07:51 |
tenplus1 |
hi lisac |
| 07:54 |
tenplus1 |
is Minetest moving to gitlab ? |
| 08:13 |
lumberJ |
heh, hey tenplus1 |
| 08:13 |
lumberJ |
hey lisac |
| 08:13 |
tenplus1 |
hi lumberJ |
| 08:13 |
lisac |
tenplus1: IMO is should |
| 08:13 |
lisac |
hey lumberJ |
| 08:13 |
tenplus1 |
github wouldnt feel the same after microballs takes it over |
| 08:14 |
lisac |
FOSS projects probably shouldn't depend on a commercial platform, anyway |
| 08:19 |
Shara |
Hi all |
| 08:19 |
tenplus1 |
hi shara |
| 08:19 |
lumberJ |
Hi Shara |
| 08:19 |
Amaz |
Hello :) |
| 08:19 |
tenplus1 |
lisac: yeah, I wouldnt trust them not to mess around with mt code |
| 08:19 |
tenplus1 |
hi amaz |
| 08:19 |
lumberJ |
and Amaz |
| 08:19 |
Shara |
I may have spent some time last night trying to recall accounts on whatever github alternatives I've ever used :) |
| 08:19 |
Shara |
Hi Ten, lumberJ, Amaz :) |
| 08:21 |
tenplus1 |
I tested gitlab, worked but is a pain to use |
| 08:22 |
Shara |
I found out I had an old bitbucket account with code I thought I'd lost. :D |
| 08:23 |
Amaz |
notabug.org seems to be quite nice, only problem is that it isn't very mainstream... |
| 08:25 |
tenplus1 |
notabug looks pretty good |
| 08:28 |
lisac |
do you think we can maybe selfhost a repo? |
| 08:28 |
lisac |
instead of using another site? |
| 08:29 |
tenplus1 |
allthingsminetest.net |
| 08:29 |
ANAND |
Interesting idea actually... :) |
| 08:31 |
VanessaE |
fwiw, I am going to be deleting all my github repos soon. moving to gitlab. |
| 08:31 |
tenplus1 |
hi Vanessa |
| 08:31 |
VanessaE |
hi |
| 08:31 |
ANAND |
VanessaE, that's a big move... What if MS doesn't end up acquiring GitHub? |
| 08:32 |
VanessaE |
too late. |
| 08:32 |
tenplus1 |
they have |
| 08:32 |
VanessaE |
they're already doing it. |
| 08:32 |
tenplus1 |
monday is the official date of sale |
| 08:32 |
tenplus1 |
today |
| 08:32 |
ANAND |
:_( |
| 08:35 |
tenplus1 |
gotta find out which git-clone is the best to use |
| 08:39 |
tenplus1 |
https://alternativeto.net/software/github/ |
| 08:40 |
tenplus1 |
sooo many to choose from, it boggles |
| 08:41 |
ANAND |
Gitlab seems to be the most popular among them all |
| 08:41 |
tenplus1 |
true, but the interface is crappy |
| 08:41 |
ANAND |
I see |
| 08:45 |
tenplus1 |
and it quite slow |
| 08:48 |
VanessaE |
slow because they're getting beaten all to hell by bandwidth, tenplus1 |
| 08:48 |
VanessaE |
https://www.dropbox.com/s/uzg9vc5oljr8lin/Screenshot%202018-06-03%2015.52.52.png?dl=0 |
| 08:49 |
ANAND |
Hah |
| 08:49 |
ANAND |
Haha* |
| 08:49 |
tenplus1 |
good point, many ppl will be moving across to gitlab cause of the M$ thing |
| 08:49 |
VanessaE |
yup |
| 08:49 |
ANAND |
Agreed |
| 08:55 |
ANAND |
The layout is indeed very different, but the all the features from GitHub can be seen here too... |
| 08:56 |
ANAND |
Quite a few extras too |
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| 09:08 |
tenplus1 |
wn andro |
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| 09:11 |
IhrFussel |
Hi guys ... tenplus1 this should be compatible with the monsters in Mobs Redo correct? https://pastebin.com/gtMe0Pt1 |
| 09:11 |
tenplus1 |
hi fussel |
| 09:11 |
tenplus1 |
you dont have to do a health check, the environmental check does that automatically |
| 09:11 |
tenplus1 |
just gotta do the -5 part |
| 09:12 |
tenplus1 |
also function si called do_punch |
| 09:12 |
IhrFussel |
No I mean this is another object not part of mobs...but the mobs use punch() normally on attached entities so it should decrease right? |
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| 09:14 |
IhrFussel |
My problem is no matter how long a mob "punches" ht entity it doesn't get removed |
| 09:14 |
IhrFussel |
the* |
| 09:14 |
tenplus1 |
oh right... gotcha... yeah self.health handles health and if <=0 will automatically be removed by api |
| 09:15 |
tenplus1 |
the entity being another mob ? |
| 09:15 |
tenplus1 |
using redo api ? |
| 09:16 |
IhrFussel |
Nope, but I also added health to cars before and it works there... I have to add health to all sorts of objects to prevent players from cheating the system |
| 09:17 |
tenplus1 |
explain exactly what you are trying to do |
| 09:18 |
IhrFussel |
I simply gave a certain entity, that a player can attach to, a health value in its registration and use the on_punch() from the pastebin ... I'll log if the callback gets even called |
| 09:19 |
tenplus1 |
and you want a mob to attack that entity ? |
| 09:19 |
IhrFussel |
Wait do I have to return something in on_punch() |
| 09:19 |
tenplus1 |
hold on, I changed boats mod so taht mobs attack the boat and break it if a player is using it |
| 09:19 |
IhrFussel |
2018-06-04 11:19:13: ACTION[Server]: LuaEntitySAO at (-200.457,1.5,-2670.86) punched by LuaEntitySAO at (-200.524,2.5,-2669.97), damage 1 hp, health now 9 hp |
| 09:20 |
IhrFussel |
The engine ignores my -5 it seems |
| 09:21 |
IhrFussel |
It always goes 9,8,9,8,9,8,9,8,9,8,9,8,9,8,9,8 etc |
| 09:21 |
tenplus1 |
you gotta set hp_max for that entity and use proper punch/health functions |
| 09:22 |
tenplus1 |
local health = self.object:get_hp() ; self.object:set_hp(health - 5) |
| 09:26 |
tenplus1 |
I only use self.health for mobs so I can control every aspect of the mob including death, for normal entities set/get_hp works ok and removed entity when dead and detatches player on death |
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| 10:21 |
tenplus1 |
wb thomas |
| 10:31 |
VanessaE |
sofar: *poke* |
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| 11:00 |
tenplus1 |
o/ fixer |
| 11:00 |
Fixer |
hi |
| 12:03 |
tenplus1 |
are the 0.4.17 binaries available now for linux ? can only see windows |
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| 12:05 |
tenplus1 |
wb longer |
| 12:05 |
longerstaff13 |
Ty 11 |
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| 12:18 |
tenplus1 |
hi Krock |
| 12:18 |
Krock |
hi tenplus1 |
| 12:18 |
tenplus1 |
which git replacement you moving to ? |
| 12:19 |
Krock |
is it sold yet? |
| 12:19 |
tenplus1 |
yup |
| 12:19 |
tenplus1 |
todya's the day |
| 12:19 |
Krock |
wth microsoft |
| 12:20 |
Krock |
5M$ according to unlisted, unconfirmed "experts" |
| 12:29 |
tenplus1 |
I kinda like notabug.org cause it's a member of the same peers community that minetest is :D |
| 12:30 |
nerzhul |
tenplus1 no replacement yet, we will see what happen, and maybe open a community discussion about the git repo, but for me the only valuable replacement is gitlab |
| 12:31 |
tenplus1 |
why specifically gitlab ? |
| 12:32 |
tenplus1 |
even their front page puts me off, all about the product, not the code... whereas other git clones let you surf repo's and code right off the bat |
| 12:34 |
Fixer |
take it easy |
| 12:35 |
Fixer |
it is not like they are gonna kill that golden goose |
| 12:35 |
tenplus1 |
lol |
| 12:38 |
nerzhul |
tenplus1 CI/CD, deployments, better issue tracking, timetracking, better issue boards (based on labels), containers registry (if we want to provide official docker builds for MT servers) |
| 12:38 |
nerzhul |
the only missing feature is edit downstream projects when a PR is opened |
| 12:40 |
tenplus1 |
checking |
| 12:41 |
nerzhul |
https://gitlab.com/minetest/minetest |
| 12:41 |
nerzhul |
look at this |
| 12:41 |
nerzhul |
we also have MT daily package build on it sine a long time |
| 12:41 |
nerzhul |
https://gitlab.com/minetest/minetest/pipelines |
| 12:42 |
nerzhul |
click on the cloud and download the package you want on each master commit :) |
| 12:43 |
tenplus1 |
how to view issues and pulls? |
| 12:44 |
nerzhul |
it's disabled on gitlab because it's just a GH mirror |
| 12:44 |
nerzhul |
but i can re-enable it if you want to see |
| 12:44 |
nerzhul |
if i can login :D |
| 12:44 |
tenplus1 |
I'd say that's an important thing to have shown by default... |
| 12:45 |
nerzhul |
it's disable to prevent lost users to open PR or issues on the RO/clone |
| 12:45 |
tenplus1 |
ah k, gotcha |
| 12:47 |
nerzhul |
roh the whole gitlab is down, the github stress test on the gitlab infra is quite huge :p |
| 12:47 |
xerox123_ |
Afternoon all |
| 12:48 |
tenplus1 |
hi xerox |
| 12:48 |
nerzhul |
tenplus1, i forgot to disable it on mtg |
| 12:48 |
nerzhul |
look |
| 12:48 |
nerzhul |
https://gitlab.com/minetest/minetest_game |
| 12:49 |
xerox123_ |
Over to gitlab with everything? |
| 12:49 |
tenplus1 |
https://notabug.org/TenPlus1/mobs |
| 12:49 |
nerzhul |
you will note i own many PR it's because the importer didn't found a user and attached it to the import user |
| 12:50 |
nerzhul |
ah also, on gitlab you have an interesting review feature you can annotate each PR part and when the PR owner has fixed it it can be noted as "resolved" |
| 12:50 |
Krock |
tenplus1, you could've simply add another remote in git to push it to the new repo at notabug |
| 12:50 |
nerzhul |
and you ahve review conversations |
| 12:51 |
Krock |
nvm, git skills lol |
| 12:51 |
tenplus1 |
:P |
| 12:52 |
xerox123_ |
What even are the implications of this acquisition? |
| 12:52 |
xerox123_ |
I feel this is a bit of an overreaction |
| 12:52 |
tenplus1 |
give it time... microsoft will mess it up like they do most other things |
| 12:52 |
tenplus1 |
and they already have beef with minetest existing |
| 12:54 |
rdococ |
they've noticed minetest? |
| 12:55 |
tenplus1 |
o/ rdococ |
| 12:56 |
Krock |
open source can't die. let's see what M$ does before moving over to other services |
| 12:56 |
xerox123_ |
^ |
| 12:56 |
tenplus1 |
:P |
| 12:56 |
xerox123_ |
I'll believe the need to change when I see it |
| 12:56 |
rdococ |
tenplus1: how do you know they have a beef with minetest existing? |
| 12:57 |
rdococ |
(not that it seems unlikely, but would like to see more info on it) |
| 12:57 |
tenplus1 |
it was mentioned before |
| 12:57 |
Fixer |
tenplus1: can't you import in a better way? to preserve history, bugs, etc |
| 12:57 |
Fixer |
issues |
| 12:57 |
xerox123_ |
Add a remote like krock said |
| 12:57 |
tenplus1 |
tried adding remote origin, wouldnt let me... |
| 12:57 |
Fixer |
"Is it ethical to use github? | Trisquel GNU/Linux - Run free!" |
| 12:58 |
xerox123_ |
what was the error? |
| 12:58 |
Krock |
Fixer, the PR and issue tracker isn't directly git. it's an additional feature to easy collaboration by the web service |
| 12:58 |
tenplus1 |
says it already exists, but am using it for github, not notabug.org |
| 12:58 |
Fixer |
I know, but maybe it is possible to migrate that somehow |
| 12:59 |
rdococ |
I think other services like gitlab or bitbucket also have PRs |
| 12:59 |
tenplus1 |
the readme.md already includes changelog if anyone's interested |
| 13:01 |
Fixer |
tenplus1: it is still sucks, you don't have history of changes itself |
| 13:01 |
tenplus1 |
am just tinkering for now Fixer, so far notabug.org is my fav. |
| 13:02 |
tenplus1 |
nothing is a definite |
| 13:02 |
BillyS |
Time to do a bunch of horriffic, crash-inducing stuff to my server to stop OOM from eating minetest |
| 13:03 |
tenplus1 |
hi billy |
| 13:03 |
BillyS |
hi |
| 13:03 |
tenplus1 |
what mod is causing you oom |
| 13:03 |
Amaz |
tenplus1: You can import the commit history by clicking "New Migration" under the + icon next to the profile picture |
| 13:03 |
BillyS |
I suspect that it's TechPac |
| 13:03 |
BillyS |
*TechPack |
| 13:03 |
BillyS |
PRobably wasn't a good idea to install that |
| 13:03 |
tenplus1 |
erk |
| 13:04 |
BillyS |
However, I am known for my not so good ideas |
| 13:04 |
BillyS |
Gotta keep my reputation. :P |
| 13:04 |
tenplus1 |
ooh, that worked well Fixer, thanks |
| 13:04 |
tenplus1 |
https://notabug.org/TenPlus1/Farming |
| 13:05 |
Fixer |
tenplus1: +1 |
| 13:05 |
tenplus1 |
:P |
| 13:05 |
Amaz |
It's just a shame that issues/pulls can't be migrated :/ |
| 13:06 |
Fixer |
tenplus1: now try again with mobs |
| 13:06 |
tenplus1 |
will remember for future migration |
| 13:07 |
tenplus1 |
am I going crazy or are there no binaries for 0.4.17 for linux/android ? |
| 13:07 |
BillyS |
My stupid VPN hoster won't let my increase swap |
| 13:07 |
BillyS |
tenplus1, not by default |
| 13:07 |
BillyS |
Maybe there is some repository |
| 13:08 |
Fixer |
tenplus1: nope, I don't see them on PPA |
| 13:09 |
tenplus1 |
o.O why have a release date when the only builds are for windows |
| 13:11 |
BillyS |
Obviously, the peopl who manage the linux repos need to step up their game |
| 13:11 |
BillyS |
*people |
| 13:11 |
tenplus1 |
:) |
| 13:11 |
Fixer |
yes |
| 13:11 |
Fixer |
apart from PPA, that is updated by devs |
| 13:12 |
BillyS |
Ah |
| 13:12 |
BillyS |
Hmm ... now where could I find some devs ... :P |
| 13:12 |
tenplus1 |
Fixer: if I migrate a repo and tick Clone, any changes from original filter through to new one ??? |
| 13:18 |
Amaz |
I think that clicking "mirror" will do that, not 100% sure though. |
| 13:19 |
tenplus1 |
thx:) |
| 13:20 |
Amaz |
np :) |
| 13:20 |
Fixer |
tenplus1: no idea |
| 13:43 |
lisac |
https://blog.github.com/2018-06-04-github-microsoft/ |
| 13:43 |
lisac |
it happened |
| 13:44 |
ANAND |
:O |
| 13:44 |
tenplus1 |
*shudder* |
| 13:45 |
Raven262 |
Time to pick up our stuff and run as far as we can! |
| 13:45 |
tenplus1 |
hi raven |
| 13:45 |
Raven262 |
hi ten |
| 13:45 |
tenplus1 |
am already testing an alternative :) https://notabug.org/TenPlus1/Farming |
| 13:48 |
Raven262 |
Amaz also recommended that one |
| 13:48 |
tenplus1 |
calinou and rubenwardy are on that one too :D |
| 13:49 |
tenplus1 |
it *feels* the best |
| 13:49 |
tenplus1 |
which prolly sounds stupid |
| 13:50 |
ANAND |
o_O |
| 13:50 |
BillyS |
The deadly and corrupt yet inexorable machine of Micros0ft consumes yet another jewel of open-source ... |
| 13:50 |
tenplus1 |
look what they did to Skype, and they had it's best interests at heart... |
| 13:50 |
ANAND |
notabug does *feel* quite nice! |
| 13:50 |
ANAND |
unlike gitlab |
| 13:50 |
tenplus1 |
yeah... |
| 13:51 |
ANAND |
Just feels like Github with a make-over at first glance |
| 13:51 |
tenplus1 |
exactly, a simplified version of github... familiar yet easier to use |
| 13:51 |
ANAND |
Indeed |
| 13:51 |
Amaz |
Exactly :) |
| 13:52 |
rdococ |
https://screenshots.firefox.com/GEo6vwHREuEJzhBv/blog.github.com |
| 13:52 |
tenplus1 |
gitlab just felt shitty, too busy and front page is more interested in it's own services than searching ppl's code |
| 13:52 |
rdococ |
Inspector tools are yay |
| 13:52 |
lisac |
<BillyS> The deadly and corrupt yet inexorable machine of Micros0ft consumes yet another jewel of open-source ... |
| 13:52 |
ANAND |
XD |
| 13:53 |
lisac |
Github should never have been allowed to become a 'jewel of open-source' |
| 13:53 |
nerzhul |
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-06-04/microsoft-agrees-to-buy-coding-site-github-for-7-5-billion?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=socialflow-organic&utm_source=twitter&utm_content=business&cmpid=socialflow-twitter-business |
| 13:53 |
lisac |
it's obviously a company, and they did whats best in the interest of that company |
| 13:53 |
nerzhul |
it's in stocks |
| 13:53 |
rdococ |
I'm thinking about becoming a communist |
| 13:53 |
tenplus1 |
lol |
| 13:53 |
ANAND |
lol |
| 13:53 |
lisac |
nerzhul: do I get to say 'Fuck paywalled sites'? :) |
| 13:53 |
BillyS |
lisac: Well, Github is more of a setting for numerous jewels of open source, not they you mention it |
| 13:54 |
Raven262 |
YOu've got lisac to guide you then, rdococ! |
| 13:54 |
BillyS |
s/not/now/ |
| 13:54 |
* lisac |
hides |
| 13:54 |
* lisac |
hides behind the giant red star |
| 13:54 |
nerzhul |
lisac waiting for M$ ads on GH now |
| 13:54 |
ANAND |
XD |
| 13:54 |
BillyS |
"The world has realized how important happy, productive developers really are." |
| 13:54 |
tenplus1 |
oh it'll happen... they will prolly introduce keywords for ads n such to pay for itself |
| 13:54 |
BillyS |
give me a break |
| 13:54 |
lisac |
'As part of this change, Nat Friedman will be taking on the role of GitHub’s CEO.' |
| 13:55 |
lisac |
Nat Friedman looks like an attempt to make us stay |
| 13:55 |
lisac |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nat_Friedman |
| 13:55 |
lisac |
"Ximian, Inc. (previously called Helix Code and originally named International Gnome Support) was a company that developed, sold and supported application software for Linux and Unix based on the GNOME platform." |
| 13:56 |
ANAND |
Dem puppets... |
| 13:57 |
BillyS |
"The future of software development is bright and I’m thrilled to be joining forces with Microsoft to help make it a reality." |
| 13:57 |
ANAND |
to make it a futility* |
| 13:57 |
BillyS |
Hmm, his twitter name is "defunkt" |
| 13:57 |
rdococ |
Dun, dun, dun... Another one acquired by M$ |
| 13:57 |
* BillyS |
loads his AK-57 |
| 13:58 |
ANAND |
/giveme shooter:grenade 9999 |
| 13:59 |
BillyS |
/giveme sniper:sniper_rifle |
| 13:59 |
Krock |
my face when you're running "git clean -f" by accident in the wrong repo |
| 13:59 |
Krock |
:'( |
| 13:59 |
lisac |
Bye minetest |
| 13:59 |
lisac |
lol |
| 13:59 |
Krock |
bye build scripts |
| 13:59 |
BillyS |
So minetest is gonna be moved away from github? |
| 14:00 |
tenplus1 |
if the proverbial SH*T hits the fan then it prolly will |
| 14:00 |
rdococ |
If the soft hits the micro~ |
| 14:00 |
Krock |
MICRO~1.PIF |
| 14:00 |
tenplus1 |
hehehe |
| 14:00 |
ANAND |
ha! |
| 14:01 |
BillyS |
One of these days, Microsoft will implode on itself. |
| 14:02 |
BillyS |
And I'll LAUGH. |
| 14:02 |
nerzhul |
no decision about moving or not |
| 14:02 |
nerzhul |
we can add a point for devs about this on next coredev discussion, what do you think about it sfan5, rubenwardy, Krock ? |
| 14:03 |
Krock |
wait a month |
| 14:03 |
tenplus1 |
if minetest could run it's own github clone simple for the game nad it's mods that would be kewl |
| 14:03 |
ANAND |
^ +1 |
| 14:03 |
sfan5 |
agree with Krock here |
| 14:04 |
BillyS |
tenplus1: I might be able to run a small version of that; I've got a light high-speed server. Currently it's running my MT, but I hope to get DI3 to host that for me |
| 14:05 |
BillyS |
Ofc, I probably couldn't if the mods were involved; I only have 32 GB of space on it |
| 14:05 |
tenplus1 |
:P |
| 14:06 |
BillyS |
Its a pity github seems to be going to the dogs |
| 14:06 |
rdococ |
Capitalism agario |
| 14:06 |
tenplus1 |
I wonder how long it'll take for Visual Studio to support github and then microsoft want everyone to use only that |
| 14:07 |
ANAND |
Heh |
| 14:07 |
rdococ |
giant microsoft blob eats mojang and github blobs |
| 14:07 |
rdococ |
then a huge apple blob sneaks from behind... |
| 14:07 |
ANAND |
XD |
| 14:08 |
ANAND |
semi-eaten mind you |
| 14:08 |
* tenplus1 |
uses mousepad for writing code :D |
| 14:08 |
rdococ |
then an even bigger gnu blob sneaks behind that... |
| 14:08 |
IhrFussel |
I'm still trying to fix a bug with cars ... when driving at a certain speed (I think it starts at 6 or 7 nodes per second) the cars tend to suddenly stop without any obstacle in sight |
| 14:08 |
* rdococ |
's keyboard is kinda broken |
| 14:08 |
BillyS |
Don't I wish |
| 14:09 |
IhrFussel |
The "air" stops them |
| 14:09 |
tenplus1 |
coudl ti be an ignore node fussel ? |
| 14:09 |
ANAND |
likely |
| 14:09 |
rdococ |
Microsoft is trying to acquire your cars |
| 14:09 |
tenplus1 |
brb, making noodles |
| 14:09 |
nerzhul |
sfan5, Krock: no problem for me, i don't know if the gitlab rusher will stay there, but at least they can discover it and the limits :) |
| 14:10 |
ANAND |
rdococ: cars aren't that popular yet, MS will wait for the cars to gain popularity, and *then* strike |
| 14:10 |
IhrFussel |
Yeah I think this has to do with the active_block_range ... maybe if a physical entity reaches the border of that range it's halted by the engine |
| 14:10 |
rdococ |
ANAND: true |
| 14:10 |
IhrFussel |
Because it does *not* happen with carts which are non-physical |
| 14:11 |
rdococ |
also, I'm pretty sure MS's mode of attack is requesting ownership of the company in return for obscene amounts of money |
| 14:11 |
nerzhul |
there is now the announce on github.com |
| 14:12 |
ANAND |
Octocat sulks in despair: https://blogs.microsoft.com/blog/2018/06/04/microsoft-github-empowering-developers/ |
| 14:12 |
rubenwardy |
It's been announced :( |
| 14:14 |
rdococ |
https://screenshots.firefox.com/gNDCQuNXvmNcNWbS/github.com |
| 14:15 |
ANAND |
XD |
| 14:16 |
Fixer |
Nadella is she, right? |
| 14:16 |
Calinou |
no, he |
| 14:16 |
Fixer |
oh |
| 14:16 |
Krock |
it's not Nutella |
| 14:17 |
Fixer |
he has very interesting name |
| 14:17 |
ANAND |
They're torturing the poor octocat |
| 14:18 |
Fixer |
ah, he is from indian origin |
| 14:18 |
tenplus1 |
nuuuuuu |
| 14:18 |
tenplus1 |
new avatar will prolly be clippy!!! |
| 14:18 |
ANAND |
XD |
| 14:18 |
Krock |
Would you like some help? |
| 14:18 |
tenplus1 |
"I see youy're trying to create a new repository?" |
| 14:18 |
rdococ |
^ |
| 14:19 |
Krock |
" - Open help page for viewing stats" |
| 14:19 |
Krock |
" - See code examples to embed CI" |
| 14:19 |
BillyS |
"And Microsoft is all-in on open source." |
| 14:19 |
ANAND |
sovetskiy posted this in #minetest: http://static.open-open.com/news/uploadImg/20150111/20150111215432_207.jpg |
| 14:19 |
BillyS |
(from https://blogs.microsoft.com/blog/2018/06/04/microsoft-github-empowering-developers/) |
| 14:20 |
rdococ |
"Here at Microsoft we like to personally fuck you over if it increases our profits." |
| 14:21 |
rdococ |
two of the major problems with capitalism. (1) monopolies, and (2) resorting to malicious tactics as opposed to actually improving products/service to compete |
| 14:21 |
BillyS |
Yep |
| 14:21 |
ANAND |
"Together we will continue to advance GitHub as a platform loved by developers and trusted by organizations." |
| 14:21 |
BillyS |
Sadly, there are problems will all market systems |
| 14:21 |
rdococ |
but not trustworthy |
| 14:22 |
BillyS |
They will probably tweak the EULA to sadd a line saying that all the code on github s theirs |
| 14:22 |
BillyS |
*add |
| 14:22 |
BillyS |
Terrible spelling |
| 14:22 |
nerzhul |
the most problematic is not the OSS projects |
| 14:22 |
nerzhul |
because OSS projects are already public |
| 14:22 |
tenplus1 |
yeah billy, that's what I'm figuring... some weird ass clause |
| 14:22 |
nerzhul |
it's all companies who works on GH with valuable code privately |
| 14:23 |
rdococ |
^ |
| 14:23 |
nerzhul |
microsoft can steal any of those companies, and there are very very huge amount companies and some banks are using it |
| 14:23 |
BillyS |
Why o why did the github owner have to sell out? |
| 14:23 |
rdococ |
2024, microsoft acquires google |
| 14:23 |
rdococ |
^ half-joke |
| 14:24 |
BillyS |
2057, apple eats microsoft |
| 14:24 |
rdococ |
BillyS: because MonEYz |
| 14:24 |
nerzhul |
2018: google closed all its repositories on github and re-open google code haha |
| 14:24 |
BillyS |
2134, comcast eats apple |
| 14:24 |
rdococ |
2325, gnu acquires everything |
| 14:24 |
ANAND |
2157, Tim Cook eats the apple |
| 14:24 |
BillyS |
xD |
| 14:24 |
ANAND |
Which is already half-eaten anyway |
| 14:25 |
BillyS |
Hmm, I wonder if the owners of github could wipe their servers before selling to microsoft |
| 14:25 |
BillyS |
Probably not without getting dragged into court |
| 14:25 |
rdococ |
apple: for knock-off devices without headphone jacks and ridiculous app store guidelinesâ„¢ |
| 14:25 |
BillyS |
(Or rather, remove all the repo on it) |
| 14:25 |
rdococ |
and tax evasionâ„¢ |
| 14:26 |
BillyS |
Apples certainly does have it's flaws |
| 14:26 |
tenplus1 |
apple sucks having a closed system |
| 14:26 |
tenplus1 |
only api's are visible |
| 14:26 |
rdococ |
the apple is edible |
| 14:26 |
rdococ |
and won't acquire the living shit out of stuff |
| 14:29 |
BillyS |
Apple has a darn good API tho |
| 14:29 |
rdococ |
objective-c looks weird |
| 14:29 |
BillyS |
I use swift |
| 14:30 |
BillyS |
objective-c is wierd |
| 14:30 |
rdococ |
swift and slow |
| 14:30 |
BillyS |
C# is evil |
| 14:30 |
tenplus1 |
lol |
| 14:30 |
rdococ |
subjective-c |
| 14:30 |
ANAND |
subjugative-c |
| 14:30 |
rdococ |
wat |
| 14:30 |
rdococ |
conjugative-c |
| 14:31 |
Amaz |
subjuntive-c |
| 14:31 |
tenplus1 |
everyone has their favourites :D |
| 14:31 |
Amaz |
*subjunctive-c |
| 14:31 |
Krock |
subjonctif-c |
| 14:32 |
tenplus1 |
if each Os had a similar base api set then any program could work on any system... if only |
| 14:32 |
Krock |
Baguettes: <triggered> |
| 14:32 |
rdococ |
tenplus1: what would the point be of multiple OSes then? would they even be considered as such? |
| 14:33 |
tenplus1 |
:P kinda like java, but that's a bad word |
| 14:33 |
ANAND |
lava 8) |
| 14:34 |
rdococ |
mmm, java coffee |
| 14:34 |
longerstaff13 |
meow |
| 14:34 |
BillyS |
mmmm, yays |
| 14:35 |
tenplus1 |
wb longer |
| 14:35 |
longerstaff13 |
ty |
| 14:35 |
rdococ |
the yay programming language: yay yay yay yay yay; yay;ya y;y ay,y ayay |
| 14:35 |
longerstaff13 |
on a college PC atm |
| 14:35 |
BillyS |
mmmmm, MMM. (inside joke) |
| 14:35 |
rdococ |
inside outside joe |
| 14:35 |
ANAND |
^_o |
| 14:35 |
longerstaff13 |
it runs Windows 7 >.< |
| 14:35 |
ANAND |
better than Windows 10 :) |
| 14:35 |
longerstaff13 |
true |
| 14:36 |
* tenplus1 |
prefers wxp |
| 14:36 |
longerstaff13 |
:P XP was the best |
| 14:36 |
BillyS |
XP is a dead face |
| 14:36 |
tenplus1 |
XP was simply an Os... didnt need to do anything else... |
| 14:36 |
tenplus1 |
now they shoe-horn all other stuff in there you dont really need |
| 14:37 |
rdococ |
the windows experience |
| 14:37 |
longerstaff13 |
slows the hell out of a potato PC |
| 14:37 |
rdococ |
the actually half-decent oneâ„¢ |
| 14:37 |
ANAND |
Speaking of XP, the nostalgic wallpapers and clippy come to mind |
| 14:37 |
rdococ |
*cough* microsoft bob *cough* |
| 14:37 |
longerstaff13 |
lol |
| 14:37 |
tenplus1 |
lolol, Bob was soo bad |
| 14:37 |
ANAND |
ah that too :) |
| 14:37 |
Krock |
rdococ, that's somewhat 1993 |
| 14:38 |
tenplus1 |
*lets make the desktop look like a house* |
| 14:38 |
rdococ |
Krock: ah, so Windows... 3.1? |
| 14:38 |
longerstaff13 |
wasn't 3.1 1990? |
| 14:38 |
* tenplus1 |
had to use win 3.0 and 3.11 at work... |
| 14:38 |
longerstaff13 |
Ik 1.01 was 1985 |
| 14:38 |
rdococ |
tenplus1: when? o_O |
| 14:38 |
* benrob0329 |
notes that #minetest-chat is for offtopic, this is at least a screenfull of it now and paramat will probably not be happy |
| 14:38 |
tenplus1 |
a while back... |
| 14:38 |
tenplus1 |
:P |
| 14:38 |
Krock |
rdococ, missed the date by two years. was actually 1995 |
| 14:39 |
rdococ |
Krock: so 95 |
| 14:39 |
Krock |
rdococ, no, 95 was released a month afterwards |
| 14:39 |
ANAND |
benrob0329, I never even knew of any such channel :O |
| 14:39 |
tenplus1 |
hell we still have police forces and hospitals in UK running xp |
| 14:39 |
rdococ |
Krock: close enough |
| 14:39 |
rdococ |
tenplus1: they should use linux |
| 14:39 |
longerstaff13 |
tenplus1: yup |
| 14:39 |
rdococ |
like the ISS has for a few years, IIRC |
| 14:40 |
tenplus1 |
agreed... public sector should be using linux to save cash |
| 14:40 |
rdococ |
penguins in space |
| 14:40 |
longerstaff13 |
gtg bbl |
| 14:40 |
tenplus1 |
o/ |
| 14:40 |
longerstaff13 |
o/ |
| 14:40 |
rdococ |
does US even have much of a public sector anymore? |
| 14:43 |
ANAND |
Nub question: if #minetest-chat is for off-topic, what exactly is the purpose of #minetest-hub? |
| 14:43 |
tenplus1 |
to be even more off-topic :D |
| 14:43 |
tenplus1 |
it's a challenge to see how far we can get before paramat notices |
| 14:43 |
ANAND |
Ah, makes sense... |
| 14:43 |
ANAND |
XD |
| 14:44 |
rdococ |
inb4 he's been watching since he was pinged last |
| 14:45 |
tenplus1 |
#-hub should be a channel where we feel comfortable talking about mt or general |
| 14:45 |
Amaz |
^ |
| 14:46 |
ANAND |
Doesn't #minetest serve to achieve that purpose, though? |
| 14:46 |
tenplus1 |
I really dont like joining multiple channels just to say certain things when it's all the same ppl in them |
| 14:46 |
rdococ |
eleven is lazy :P |
| 14:46 |
tenplus1 |
yup |
| 14:46 |
ANAND |
hehe |
| 14:47 |
rdococ |
mi two |
| 14:55 |
Shara |
-hub is meant to be for contributors to discuss things openly with each other and devs, without the restrictions that apply in -dev, and with the possibility of 'some' offtopic |
| 14:55 |
tenplus1 |
:P |
| 14:55 |
Shara |
and -chat isn't official |
| 14:56 |
ANAND |
-chat isn't official? |
| 14:56 |
Shara |
No, it's not |
| 14:56 |
ANAND |
Oh.. |
| 14:58 |
Shara |
-chat is basically where you go if you want to talk about any random stuff but with MT people, I guess |
| 14:59 |
Fixer |
it is already XP-like |
| 14:59 |
Fixer |
there is no point in downgrade, unless you play DX12 games |
| 15:00 |
Fixer |
india has huge public sector, that is odd |
| 15:00 |
Fixer |
did not know about that |
| 15:00 |
Fixer |
at around 50% |
| 15:02 |
rdococ |
DirectXâ„¢: a huge security holeâ„¢ |
| 15:02 |
tenplus1 |
lolol |
| 15:02 |
tenplus1 |
with any luck Vulkan will take over as API of choice |
| 15:03 |
rdococ |
return by reference would be weird |
| 15:03 |
Sokomine |
oh :-( just read that ms bought github. so it's just a question of time until older repros will get lost? |
| 15:03 |
tenplus1 |
hi sokomine |
| 15:03 |
Sokomine |
hi ten |
| 15:05 |
ANAND |
tenplus1, is Vulkan on par with DX in terms of performance? |
| 15:05 |
tenplus1 |
yup |
| 15:05 |
tenplus1 |
on some phoronix tests it even beats dx |
| 15:06 |
tenplus1 |
https://www.anandtech.com/show/11223/quick-look-vulkan-3dmark-api-overhead |
| 15:06 |
tenplus1 |
it's a newer/better implementation of opengl with all new features |
| 15:09 |
ANAND |
Oh nice! Never knew that... :D |
| 15:09 |
ANAND |
the "beats DX" part |
| 15:09 |
tenplus1 |
plus vulkan is on all platforms (win/mac/linux/bsd) |
| 15:10 |
tenplus1 |
so game devs could easily port to all platforms |
| 15:10 |
Krock |
but does it run on my toaster? |
| 15:10 |
* tenplus1 |
installs DSL on Krock's toaster |
| 15:10 |
tenplus1 |
we'll see |
| 15:10 |
ANAND |
haha |
| 15:11 |
Krock |
It doesn't give me any output for about three minutes. Afterwards there's a click and this thing jumps up which I've then got to pull back in plac |
| 15:11 |
Krock |
e |
| 15:12 |
tenplus1 |
least no oom errors |
| 15:12 |
Krock |
I tried to check whether it's a slow morse code but the intervals are always very close to three minutes |
| 15:12 |
ANAND |
Unlike other machines, toasters dispose of their wastes |
| 15:13 |
Fixer |
hah https://i.imgur.com/4TDHmea.png |
| 15:13 |
tenplus1 |
lol |
| 15:14 |
Krock |
quack? |
| 15:14 |
rubenwardy |
First day at new job today |
| 15:14 |
tenplus1 |
Krock: https://pics.onsizzle.com/when-everybody-else-is-getting-a-life-and-amazing-jobs-29645836.png |
| 15:14 |
Fixer |
one of my fav screenshots |
| 15:14 |
rubenwardy |
Well, internship |
| 15:15 |
Krock |
why does this icon exist after all? |
| 15:15 |
Fixer |
rubenwardy: congrats |
| 15:15 |
* rubenwardy |
sets up https://git.rubenwardy.com |
| 15:16 |
tenplus1 |
:PP |
| 15:16 |
rubenwardy |
Going with gogs, seems snappier than gitlab |
| 15:17 |
Krock |
rubenwardy, that was quick. Unavailable. |
| 15:17 |
rdococ |
I set up a profile on https://notabug.org/ |
| 15:17 |
Fixer |
you are panicking too faast |
| 15:17 |
Fixer |
maybe github will be more or less fine |
| 15:17 |
ANAND |
rubenwardy, The application is offline. |
| 15:17 |
ANAND |
Please try again in a while, or report the issue if it persists. |
| 15:17 |
tenplus1 |
da moon :P ehehehe |
| 15:17 |
Amaz |
I think that notabug is based on gogs :) |
| 15:18 |
tenplus1 |
still lets me use git gui... am happy |
| 15:18 |
Krock |
rubenwardy, you can also use this one: http://repo.or.cz/ |
| 15:18 |
rubenwardy |
I don't trust notabug |
| 15:18 |
rubenwardy |
That's shit |
| 15:18 |
rubenwardy |
I like css |
| 15:18 |
Krock |
I know your opinion about it |
| 15:18 |
rubenwardy |
XD |
| 15:18 |
tenplus1 |
lol... |
| 15:18 |
tenplus1 |
prolly how I feel about gitlab |
| 15:18 |
rdococ |
until they make a second edition: "GitHub: Bedrock Edition" for Windows only |
| 15:18 |
Krock |
just feeding some wood into the fire |
| 15:18 |
rubenwardy |
I don't trust notabug with my private repos |
| 15:19 |
rdococ |
all my repos are public anyway... |
| 15:19 |
Krock |
hide your secret repos on a computer far away from the internet, somewhere buried in the depth of snow in norway |
| 15:19 |
rdococ |
I want to live in norway |
| 15:21 |
IhrFussel |
tenplus1, any way to lighten mobs ABMs? They mostly take 50-100 ms to finish sometimes even 0.5 secs |
| 15:22 |
ANAND |
Someone threw a rock at a ginormous ant-hill hoping to eradicate the ants. The ants just coolly dispersed and found another ant-hill to build on... :D |
| 15:22 |
tenplus1 |
core timer is live dtime, env checks and the rest run on a 1 sec timer |
| 15:22 |
tenplus1 |
but am always looking for ways to improve api and make it run better :) |
| 15:23 |
tenplus1 |
fussel, what are you waiting to finish mostly ? |
| 15:23 |
IhrFussel |
I'm just talking about the ABMs https://pastebin.com/mt9NwJBb |
| 15:24 |
tenplus1 |
what are the headings for each column ? I dunno what am looking at |
| 15:25 |
IhrFussel |
Cause those seem to be the main culprit of my max_lag being mostly 0.5+ secs |
| 15:25 |
tenplus1 |
really ? Xanadu runs with 0.1 lag and 4 players most times with mobs running |
| 15:25 |
IhrFussel |
min µs | max mµ | avg mµ |
| 15:25 |
IhrFussel |
µs* |
| 15:26 |
Fixer |
so it is official, microsoft owns github :D |
| 15:26 |
tenplus1 |
yup |
| 15:26 |
tenplus1 |
looks like lava flan is using more mu than the rest, will look into that one |
| 15:26 |
Krock |
0.1s lag doesn't indicate whether some events take longer than usual. it just means they are short enough to fill the gap between server steps |
| 15:27 |
IhrFussel |
I guess it's cause of all those checks... height/light/daytime/existing amount in mapblock etc |
| 15:27 |
Krock |
try 0.05s and the server struggle may begin |
| 15:29 |
IhrFussel |
sauth seems to be a bit slow on avg too |
| 15:29 |
IhrFussel |
sauth: | 0 | 208814 | 239 | 0.0 | 99.7 | 0.3 |
| 15:29 |
IhrFussel |
- on_prejoinplayer[1] ............................... | 2797 | 208814 | 80360 | 35.4 | 99.7 | 90.5 |
| 15:30 |
IhrFussel |
But the mobs ABMs are almost all very high and explain the lag that I'm experiencing with 20+ players |
| 15:31 |
IhrFussel |
Maybe I can comment out a few checks inside the ABM to see if that helps |
| 15:31 |
tenplus1 |
the API uses Abm's to spawn mobs but even if I use a globalstep/minetest.after for each player to check surrounding nodes and spawn it that way it's just as intensive |
| 15:32 |
tenplus1 |
but... laval flan spawn 1 in 1000 lava, should be around 5000 to lower checks |
| 15:36 |
IcyDiamond |
my minetest sound is gone for some reason |
| 15:37 |
IhrFussel |
I moved the protection check higher up maybe that reduces checks |
| 15:37 |
IhrFussel |
At least on my server it's very likely that the chosen pos is protected |
| 15:39 |
Fixer |
btw, when I looked into java minecraft servers, a lot of them restart every day |
| 15:39 |
tenplus1 |
if laval flan is causing the most time spent checking then reduce number of active objects to 1 and increase chance |
| 15:39 |
Fixer |
IhrFussel: your lags are not lags, I've sean real lags, like running at 2,5% of usual server speed |
| 15:39 |
IhrFussel |
It's every mob... they all take between 50-100ms ... some more advanced mobs take 200-500ms |
| 15:39 |
tenplus1 |
also wouldnt that depend on the machine they are run on |
| 15:40 |
Fixer |
tenplus1: with "right" sort of plugins even powerful Xeon with tons of ram does not help |
| 15:40 |
Fixer |
IhrFussel: where is avg column? |
| 15:40 |
Fixer |
btw |
| 15:41 |
IhrFussel |
The 4th one is avg |
| 15:41 |
Fixer |
let me speculate even more about Microsoft |
| 15:41 |
Fixer |
one word: XENIX |
| 15:41 |
Fixer |
if you know what that was, you will not be surprised |
| 15:42 |
Fixer |
IhrFussel: the one with 208814? |
| 15:42 |
IhrFussel |
80360 << for sauth |
| 15:43 |
IhrFussel |
But a 5 digit average is bad |
| 15:43 |
Fixer |
IhrFussel: that looks high in my opinion |
| 15:43 |
Fixer |
yeah |
| 15:43 |
IhrFussel |
max can be high and min should be very low |
| 15:44 |
Fixer |
IhrFussel: have you tried using 0.4.17 withou sauth? |
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| 15:45 |
tenplus1 |
hi twoelk |
| 15:45 |
twoelk |
o/ |
| 15:52 |
tenplus1 |
IhrFussel: I've re-ordered the spawn checks so that the lightest are all first |
| 15:52 |
tenplus1 |
hope that helps |
| 15:53 |
IhrFussel |
tenplus1, thanks^^ I wonder if the on_activate() callback also counts towards the ABM time |
| 15:57 |
tenplus1 |
mob_activate shouldnt cause slowdown, it's just a few if's and some default settings being reset |
| 16:05 |
twoelk |
who actually answers the callback? client or server? |
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| 16:13 |
tumeninodes |
holy smokes, everyone is panic jumping already? |
| 16:13 |
tenplus1 |
hi tumeninodes |
| 16:13 |
tumeninodes |
hey tenplus1 |
| 16:15 |
tumeninodes |
I have to work on those times lights later today. paramat suggested using get_timeofday. gonna give it a whack later |
| 16:15 |
twoelk |
maybe we need an automatic -keep calm, don't panic- message |
| 16:15 |
tumeninodes |
yeh I would say so twolk |
| 16:16 |
tumeninodes |
*e sorry |
| 16:17 |
tumeninodes |
I am an avid anti-ms extremist but, not gonna jump the github ship till the water reaches my knees |
| 16:18 |
twoelk |
we used to wack lamp posts as kids - they had a turn-off function when swaying too much |
| 16:19 |
twoelk |
yep, we can see the iceberg, we know it's there so no need to panic |
| 16:20 |
* twoelk |
notices ms and google and the mormons buying up all services and sites he is member of |
| 16:22 |
tumeninodes |
they're after you... |
| 16:22 |
tumeninodes |
maybe if we simply offer you up as a sacrifice, they will be appeased :D |
| 16:22 |
tenplus1 |
god help us if they start buying over linux distro's |
| 16:23 |
tumeninodes |
They would only need to buy canonical |
| 16:23 |
tumeninodes |
it would be the only lucrative part of interest for them, they would slowly abolish the rest |
| 16:23 |
tumeninodes |
well, "maybe" redhat too |
| 16:25 |
Krock |
good luck buying the arch linux infrastructure |
| 16:25 |
tumeninodes |
MS is like (and part of) the globalist movement. They "think" they are making everything better, while they ruin everything. They actually believe that everyone automatically loves everything they do |
| 16:26 |
tumeninodes |
IDK Krock..., people's morals and standards start to change one the $ numbers start getting to a certain level of insane |
| 16:27 |
tumeninodes |
*once |
| 16:27 |
tenplus1 |
after XP I never went back to microballs and wouldnt want to |
| 16:27 |
tumeninodes |
and arch is pretty imbedded in robotic tech, is it not? |
| 16:27 |
tenplus1 |
ubuntu core as well |
| 16:29 |
tumeninodes |
yeh XP was ok. Still was not up to the level it could have been, had they been truly passionate about it, and did not focus on overhead and max profit |
| 16:29 |
rdococ |
<Microsoft> yay, moneyz |
| 16:29 |
tumeninodes |
yep |
| 16:29 |
tenplus1 |
greed got in the way... and now it's acrappy behemoth of an Os |
| 16:34 |
twoelk |
oops, I was misinformed, not google owns all them sites I'm member of but rather the Alphabet Inc. :O |
| 16:34 |
* tenplus1 |
thinks of Umbrella Corporation in Resident Evil |
| 16:40 |
Fixer |
https://docs.gitlab.com/ee/user/project/import/github.html |
| 16:40 |
Fixer |
importing from github into gitlab |
| 16:40 |
Fixer |
notabug should have the same thing IMO |
| 16:41 |
tenplus1 |
the migration thing in notabug works ok with the link |
| 16:42 |
tumeninodes |
so why don't people just clone their repos into gitlab (or whatever) but still keep their github repos as well? |
| 16:43 |
tumeninodes |
this way you have a safety net. if it is to protest, it isn;t going to change anything |
| 16:43 |
tumeninodes |
not like people are going to suddenly say "Nah, people are dropping this is'nt right, here's your 5 billion back" |
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| 16:47 |
tenplus1 |
lol |
| 16:47 |
tenplus1 |
I have a backup/safety net, but just incase microsoft somehow add a clause of use etc. or make it VS only access to github we're all looking for alternatives |
| 16:47 |
tumeninodes |
actually, I'm just upset cuz ya'll are gonna make me have to use gitlab to see your stuff :P |
| 16:48 |
tenplus1 |
tumeninodes: https://notabug.org/TenPlus1/Farming |
| 16:50 |
tumeninodes |
notabug, hmmm one I had not heard of |
| 16:50 |
IhrFussel |
tenplus1, I added a table to api.lua which checks if a certain mob type already spawned within the last X secs and aborts in the ABM if so... it seems to help with the lag |
| 16:51 |
tenplus1 |
good for singleplayer, but what if 4 players are all in different areas and each area tries to spawn the same mob |
| 16:51 |
tenplus1 |
1 wins, the others dont |
| 16:52 |
tenplus1 |
and group settings having 3 of same mob spawn in an area may not work |
| 16:52 |
IhrFussel |
But if you are in an area with lots of matching nodes the ABM code could theoreticaly run lots of times in a row |
| 16:53 |
xerox123 |
https://github.com/ see the top |
| 16:53 |
tenplus1 |
that's why I moved the lighter checks near the start of the abm, to reduce checking/load |
| 17:01 |
Fixer |
tenplus1: gitlab can migrate issues and other stuff, I think |
| 17:01 |
tenplus1 |
yeah, it's just the look and feel I dont like |
| 17:01 |
Fixer |
also, notabug is not a business entity iirc |
| 17:01 |
Fixer |
gitlag is |
| 17:01 |
Fixer |
can end up with the same problem |
| 17:02 |
Fixer |
why not open git.minetest.net ? |
| 17:02 |
Fixer |
and host all mods on it |
| 17:02 |
Fixer |
and tie it with content db |
| 17:02 |
* Fixer |
afk |
| 17:03 |
tumeninodes |
someone should have forked github while it was free/open source haha (might be grandfathered) |
| 17:03 |
tenplus1 |
we have many decent clones out there :p |
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| 17:04 |
tenplus1 |
hi benrob |
| 17:05 |
tumeninodes |
it's back to svn for everyone, muahahahahahahaaaaa |
| 17:05 |
tenplus1 |
never used svn :P |
| 17:21 |
nerzhul |
Fixer: yeah, look at https://gitlab.com/minetest/minetest_game |
| 17:22 |
nerzhul |
the gitlab look & feel is different than github, but it's more complete and a UI like github cannot be so complete without being broken :) |
| 17:23 |
Shara |
I want to look, but seems poor gitlab is breaking under the strain :) |
| 17:24 |
rubenwardy |
http://www.thisisinsider.com/microsoft-ceo-satya-nadella-asks-developers-to-give-github-acquisition-a-chance-2018-6?utm_source=quora&utm_medium=referral |
| 17:25 |
tenplus1 |
they might not close github, but many wouldnt trust microsoft as far as we could throw them |
| 17:29 |
tumeninodes |
While nadella's words are promises, and plastered all over the web..., I would not trust those words unless I see an actual hand signed contract to back it all up |
| 17:29 |
xerox123 |
has the way the serverlist works changed? |
| 17:29 |
tumeninodes |
a ceo can promise the world, but it is the board of money makers who have the final say |
| 17:30 |
tenplus1 |
+100 |
| 17:30 |
rdococ |
Googlesâ„¢ |
| 17:30 |
IhrFussel |
xerox123, if you mean that server that allow mobile players are punished less than no |
| 17:30 |
IhrFussel |
then* |
| 17:31 |
xerox123 |
ah ok, because a server I host has shot to being at peak #4 earlier |
| 17:31 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4 -- cppcheck warnings |
| 17:31 |
IhrFussel |
Servers jump a lot with the current system, because it's random when more players with such "guest" names join |
| 17:32 |
xerox123 |
and much much more users |
| 17:33 |
xerox123 |
server is much closer to being full now than before |
| 17:34 |
IhrFussel |
In theory a server with 5-10 players can score higher than one with 20+ players depending on how many mobile players with names that end in numbers play on it |
| 17:35 |
IhrFussel |
I got a script that calculates the scores for each server...one sec |
| 17:35 |
IhrFussel |
xerox123, which one is yours? |
| 17:36 |
xerox123 |
LS-Wonderland (not my server, I host it) |
| 17:37 |
xerox123 |
20.93378935185185 |
| 17:38 |
IhrFussel |
penalty -1.75 guests for LS-Wonderland/mt.xeroxirc.net |
| 17:38 |
tenplus1 |
lol |
| 17:38 |
rdococ |
Yayzeâ„¢ |
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| 17:39 |
tenplus1 |
hi entuland |
| 17:40 |
IhrFussel |
penalty -6.125 guests for HOMETOWN/hometownserver.com |
| 17:40 |
IhrFussel |
Those names can bring down the score a lot |
| 17:40 |
tenplus1 |
erk, did xanadu score bad too ? |
| 17:42 |
xerox123 |
8.818014705882353, no penalties |
| 17:42 |
tenplus1 |
o.O |
| 17:42 |
CWz_ |
great now all the minetest stuff links are gonna break |
| 17:42 |
tenplus1 |
hi cwz |
| 17:43 |
IhrFussel |
tenplus1, the scores are updated every few minutes...looks like nobody is online there right now so there can be no guest penalty |
| 17:43 |
tenplus1 |
heh |
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| 17:44 |
IhrFussel |
7/21 on HT right now are guests ... and that is not unusual |
| 17:46 |
xerox123 |
Highly loaded server: at what point does it become highly loaded? |
| 17:47 |
entuland |
hello there everybody |
| 17:47 |
Krock |
hi entuland |
| 17:47 |
tumeninodes |
howdy |
| 17:48 |
tenplus1 |
there's a snake in mah boot... it's called microsoft |
| 17:48 |
entuland |
eeheheh |
| 17:49 |
entuland |
are we going to boycott github now? |
| 17:49 |
tenplus1 |
only if they mess around with it and change things |
| 17:49 |
tenplus1 |
for that we have to wait |
| 17:49 |
entuland |
reading how they are paying people to actually contribute to OSS repos feels weird and good at the same time |
| 17:50 |
entuland |
hell, they also released the win95 file manager's code! |
| 17:50 |
entuland |
that's something! |
| 17:50 |
tenplus1 |
it will be nice if they prove us all wrong and do the right thing |
| 17:50 |
rdococ |
^ |
| 17:50 |
rdococ |
*cough* make ykw open source *cough* |
| 17:50 |
tenplus1 |
but for now I'm going by what I've experienced from windows in the past... |
| 17:51 |
entuland |
yep, we'll see, hopefully they don't screw up |
| 17:51 |
tenplus1 |
<fingers crossed> |
| 17:52 |
entuland |
otherwise we could just be moving stuff to bitbucket or the alike |
| 17:52 |
entuland |
I've read here about that gitlab but not sure I understand what's all about... are the two related? |
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| 17:53 |
tenplus1 |
hi andro |
| 18:04 |
CWz_ |
i wonder what will minetest guys do |
| 18:06 |
xerox123 |
are all those branches meant to be viewable on gitlab? I only remember there beinf a couple on github |
| 18:06 |
xerox123 |
being* |
| 18:11 |
rdococ |
jquery is weird, but in a good way? |
| 18:56 |
Sokomine |
tenplus1: maybe let less mobs spawn if the player is just racing past. they might not reach the player in time anyway |
| 18:58 |
tenplus1 |
mob spawn times have been redone so that animals can spawn with lower chance every 60 seconds and monsters every 30 |
| 18:58 |
tenplus1 |
it counts how many are in a specific area and tries not to go over that amount per animal/monster |
| 18:59 |
Sokomine |
tenplus1: doesn't make their os or ui any better |
| 18:59 |
Sokomine |
rdococ: isn't ykw already written in java? that's pretty open source |
| 19:00 |
tenplus1 |
am still looking into better and less intensive ways to spawn mobs |
| 19:00 |
Sokomine |
tenplus1: (er, not mobs redo. that was aimed at ms) |
| 19:01 |
Sokomine |
tenplus1: mob spawning was a complex issue back in the mobf days already |
| 19:01 |
Sokomine |
mobs redo seems to do fine most of the time |
| 19:01 |
Sokomine |
still, all those mobs spawning next to you and racing towards you are a bit odd |
| 19:02 |
* Sokomine |
waves a sign at ten: let more friendly mobs live! |
| 19:02 |
tenplus1 |
mobs will only spawn if player is 12+ nodes away |
| 19:02 |
tenplus1 |
the only reason they would spawn next to player is IF lag stops entities loading in a mapblock and they load when player is beside them |
| 19:04 |
Sokomine |
"next to you" was a relative value. they still raise their arms and want to embrace players ,-) |
| 19:04 |
tenplus1 |
lol |
| 19:18 |
tumeninodes |
at this point, I feel it may be better to just pretend I never even thought about making streetlights turn on and off automatically, and be done with it |
| 19:18 |
tenplus1 |
aww |
| 19:18 |
tumeninodes |
haha |
| 19:20 |
tenplus1 |
prolly easier to set on_punch to turn on off and let players deal with it :D |
| 19:20 |
longerstaff13 |
https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/QMETcUCe/Screenshot_20180604_201726.png |
| 19:20 |
longerstaff13 |
\o/ |
| 19:20 |
tenplus1 |
checking repo's |
| 19:20 |
tumeninodes |
yeh, I did that from the start... |
| 19:21 |
tumeninodes |
although, hmm... I wonder if the on right click, is interfering with the abm fun..... eh nevermind :P |
| 19:22 |
tumeninodes |
automated lighting killed with extreme prejudice.... There, at least I accomplished something today |
| 19:22 |
tenplus1 |
.ll |
| 19:22 |
tenplus1 |
lol |
| 19:23 |
tumeninodes |
stupid idea anyway... automated lighting... what's next, automatic coffee makers? psssh... pa-leeeeze |
| 19:24 |
* tenplus1 |
hides next mod |
| 19:24 |
tumeninodes |
0_0 whacha got theer tenplus1??? Hey! wheer ya goin???! |
| 19:24 |
* tenplus1 |
sips coffee |
| 19:25 |
* tumeninodes |
sips coffee..., automatically |
| 19:25 |
tenplus1 |
lol |
| 19:26 |
tenplus1 |
last thing I did lately was redo itemframes to be less intensive, and a few new checks for mob api :PPPP |
| 19:26 |
tenplus1 |
finding time is the hard part :D |
| 19:27 |
tumeninodes |
it did seem to work-ish under experimental times. But, it would be a flicker of light (set to the intervals) but the light was 2 nodes away from the node and the nodes do not switch |
| 19:28 |
tumeninodes |
just a creepy flickering light that turns on and off by timeofday settting |
| 19:30 |
* tenplus1 |
imagines friday nigth at freddies and flickering lights |
| 19:30 |
tumeninodes |
pretty close |
| 19:31 |
longerstaff13 |
I get this error when upgrading minetest versions: https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/ZbPTjrAF/ |
| 19:31 |
tenplus1 |
weird, try removing old 1st then instasllnew |
| 19:31 |
longerstaff13 |
ok |
| 19:32 |
longerstaff13 |
same error |
| 19:33 |
tenplus1 |
damn... |
| 19:33 |
tenplus1 |
this is why I want pre-built .debs available for download to replace 0.4.16 one's |
| 19:33 |
longerstaff13 |
heh |
| 19:34 |
longerstaff13 |
I'll try re-install 0.4.16 till I can figure out why it won't overwrite the file |
| 19:34 |
tumeninodes |
make friends with a deb packager |
| 19:34 |
Krock |
re-install 0.4.17 |
| 19:35 |
Krock |
hmmm |
| 19:36 |
longerstaff13 |
I wonder if removing the entire minetest directory in my home folder would do anything |
| 19:36 |
tumeninodes |
that's why I always give updates to repos a couple days before I install them ; ) |
| 19:36 |
longerstaff13 |
I don't have any singleplayer worlds so it's fine to try |
| 19:36 |
tenplus1 |
try reloading repo's and install again, |
| 19:37 |
tenplus1 |
are you actually using 18.10 just now ? |
| 19:37 |
xerox123 |
git: only way to fix it to nuke the whole folder |
| 19:37 |
longerstaff13 |
18.04 LTS |
| 19:37 |
tenplus1 |
but you are downloading from 18.10 repo's ? |
| 19:38 |
tenplus1 |
remember it may not work at all, could be built using all new libs |
| 19:38 |
longerstaff13 |
what it says before the error happens: Unpacking minetest (0.4.17-ppa0~ubuntu18.04.1) ... |
| 19:39 |
Krock |
what if you download and install the package manually? https://launchpad.net/~minetestdevs/+archive/ubuntu/stable/+packages |
| 19:40 |
longerstaff13 |
lemme see |
| 19:40 |
tenplus1 |
?!?! I get an error saying a later version is already installed... what the ?!?! |
| 19:41 |
tenplus1 |
am using 0.4.16 |
| 19:42 |
tenplus1 |
removed current minetest and re-installed from .deb on that page.. wrked |
| 19:42 |
IhrFussel |
If I depend on a mod will that also guarantee that the mod's on_joinplayer() callbacks are called before mine? |
| 19:42 |
* twoelk |
unzips new mt-0.4.17 |
| 19:43 |
* Krock |
unzips $40 |
| 19:43 |
longerstaff13 |
https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/KnM4oh4S/Screenshot_20180604_204328.png |
| 19:43 |
Krock |
IhrFussel, not if you push your callback to the front of the callback table |
| 19:44 |
Krock |
longerstaff13, is that a firefox glitch? |
| 19:44 |
Krock |
kpanel problem maybe |
| 19:45 |
longerstaff13 |
the screenshot was took as the window for the screenshotter was closing |
| 19:48 |
longerstaff13 |
meh, I'll figure this out later |
| 19:49 |
tumeninodes |
"screenshotter"..., I don;t think that's really a word Johnny (from Johnny Dangerously) :D |
| 19:51 |
longerstaff13 |
couldn't think of the name, you know how there is sometimes a word on the tip of your tongue and you can't say it? a bit like that |
| 19:52 |
tumeninodes |
; ) |
| 19:53 |
rubenwardy |
Sokomine: that's not what open source means |
| 19:53 |
rubenwardy |
opensource.org/osd |
| 19:53 |
Krock |
tumeninodes, be a shooting star .. with guns |
| 19:54 |
tumeninodes |
don't you know that you are a shotting star :P |
| 19:56 |
tumeninodes |
afk beefly |
| 19:56 |
tumeninodes |
*briefly |
| 19:57 |
longerstaff13 |
ayyyy, fixed it, I uninstalled minetest-data from synaptic and installed just minetest 0.4.17 itself from synaptic (I have the PPA installed on my laptop) |
| 19:57 |
tenplus1 |
hehehe kewl |
| 19:58 |
longerstaff13 |
https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/IRxZgY6C/Screenshot_20180604_205837.png |
| 19:59 |
Krock |
yay |
| 19:59 |
rubenwardy |
no nice background :'( |
| 19:59 |
tenplus1 |
sent shinji update for server <fingers crossed> |
| 20:00 |
longerstaff13 |
anyway bbbl |
| 20:00 |
longerstaff13 |
bbl* |
| 20:01 |
tenplus1 |
nite folks :) |
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| 20:01 |
Krock |
fort nite tenplus 1 |
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| 20:02 |
* Krock |
hints longerstaff13 to install colored_names for easier communication on crowded servers |
| 20:02 |
paramat |
ugh too late i was going to kick tenplus |
| 20:05 |
longerstaff13 |
Krock: csm? |
| 20:06 |
Krock |
yes. |
| 20:06 |
Krock |
it's the bright and innocent side of CSM |
| 20:07 |
twoelk |
not the colourfull? |
| 20:07 |
longerstaff13 |
Ok |
| 20:09 |
Krock |
twoelk, where's light there are colors. |
| 20:09 |
Krock |
white consists of many different colors |
| 20:12 |
twoelk |
oh, so -white- people are many-colored this sounds like a fun info in some unpleasant arguments - hm, now where can I drop that bomb? |
| 20:13 |
* twoelk |
once got kicked on KVIrc for insisting that the persian language is closer related to english than arabic |
| 20:14 |
paramat |
!tell tenplus1 i'm going to start kicking you instead of warning because you are repeatedly and conciously breaking channel rules, and are one of the worst offenders. refusing to use more than 1 channel is lazy, rude and inconsiderate, this is not your personal channel. sorry to have to discipline :) |
| 20:14 |
MinetestBot |
paramat: I'll pass that on when tenplus1 is around |
| 20:14 |
twoelk |
? |
| 20:21 |
IcyDiamond |
Gitlab when? ;) |
| 20:26 |
IcyDiamond |
paramat: I'm sorry but what? I don't see what he did wrong |
| 20:27 |
Krock |
it's obviously a monthly MTB test whether the !tell function still works |
| 20:27 |
IcyDiamond |
Lol |
| 20:27 |
lisac |
#7008 needs one more approval |
| 20:27 |
Krock |
but I don't see either the problem.. |
| 20:27 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/7008 -- Allow CSMs to register a function on keypress by lisacvuk |
| 20:28 |
Krock |
lisac, my PRs also need that many approvals yet nothing happens |
| 20:28 |
Amaz |
Too much offtopic and generally keeping the channel alive ;) |
| 20:28 |
lisac |
lol, I guess |
| 20:28 |
lisac |
Krock: can you approve your own PRs? |
| 20:28 |
lisac |
mine seem to die if I don't mention them every once in a while |
| 20:28 |
CWz_ |
would be funny if Microsoft brought Github to get rid of minetest |
| 20:28 |
IcyDiamond |
Well I think I better not talk here then |
| 20:28 |
Krock |
lisac, as long they're not a large change in Minetest, yes- |
| 20:29 |
IcyDiamond |
I don't want to get kicked |
| 20:29 |
lisac |
IcyDiamond: I think offtopic rule is here just in case someone really offtopics too much |
| 20:29 |
tumeninodes |
can interval be commented out of the abm code? |
| 20:30 |
IcyDiamond |
All I see from him is participating in active discussion and talking about his mod |
| 20:31 |
tumeninodes |
I have tried using = 0, = nil, = non zero integres... all seem to interefere with get_timeofday |
| 20:33 |
tumeninodes |
it seems timeofday works fine? but then there is just a flashing light about 2 nodes away from the targets and, the target nodes do not switch. https://0bin.net/paste/OOf8lKHlHcX-MMtz#Jz2p+GWx-opjU4FuOy1q/ppSWuISFzPEtKe54787l82 |
| 20:33 |
BillyS |
Hmm . . . is there some way I could get all the craft recipes that gravel is used in? |
| 20:34 |
BillyS |
minetest.get_all_craft_recipes isn't what I'm loking for |
| 20:34 |
BillyS |
Because it just gives me the recipes for an item, not the recipes in which and item is used |
| 20:34 |
tumeninodes |
i can put the whole mod on MicroGit-hub if anyone is interested in glancing over it? |
| 20:34 |
paramat |
offtopic is fine and welcome here in moderation, see http://hub.minetest.net/info |
| 20:35 |
Krock |
tumeninodes, these params have a fallback value, see here: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/src/script/cpp_api/s_env.cpp#L145 |
| 20:35 |
Krock |
so when you omit the interval it'll jump to 10s |
| 20:37 |
tumeninodes |
oh, :( |
| 20:37 |
tumeninodes |
embarrassed to have to say, I don;t know what to do with that info : / |
| 20:37 |
BillyS |
There doesn't seem to be a minetest.registered_crafts, which is what I really need |
| 20:38 |
Krock |
you couldn't alter that table anyway so what's the point? |
| 20:39 |
Krock |
recipe lookups? |
| 20:39 |
BillyS |
The point is, I have two types of gravel: Sieved gravel, and gravel |
| 20:39 |
BillyS |
I was the same recipes to apply to them |
| 20:39 |
Krock |
craft conflicts, duh.. |
| 20:39 |
BillyS |
But I don't want them to be the same node |
| 20:39 |
* BillyS |
sighs |
| 20:39 |
BillyS |
No, that's not what I mean |
| 20:40 |
BillyS |
I want them to be used in the same recipes. So, sieved gravel could be used to craft gunpowder, as well as gravel |
| 20:41 |
BillyS |
There doesn't seem to be a way I can do that, tho. |
| 20:41 |
* twoelk |
proposes a gravel group :-) |
| 20:41 |
BillyS |
I suppose I'll just have to hardcode |
| 20:41 |
BillyS |
Hmm |
| 20:41 |
BillyS |
That's basically what I need |
| 20:42 |
BillyS |
But I'd have to change all those current craft recipes, which leads to the same problem. :? |
| 20:42 |
BillyS |
*:/ |
| 20:43 |
twoelk |
can't you use all nodes that have gravel as part of the name? |
| 20:44 |
BillyS |
Not sure. I'd assume so |
| 20:45 |
BillyS |
But if I did create a gravel group, I'd have to update all the craft recipes currently using gravel to use the gravel group instead. |
| 20:45 |
BillyS |
Which makes stuff an even bigger nightmare to update |
| 20:46 |
twoelk |
https://github.com/tenplus1/farming/blob/master/grass.lua like here for grass_ nodes? |
| 20:47 |
BillyS |
Hmm, that might work . . . I look into that. thx! |
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| 20:57 |
entuland |
let's hope gitlab survives the mass migration: https://monitor.gitlab.net/dashboard/db/github-importer?orgId=1 |
| 21:00 |
nerzhul |
the gitlab.com postgresql handle 150k transactions per second, nice :D |
| 21:26 |
IhrFussel |
entuland, the graphs are not loading for me...overloaded? |
| 21:27 |
VanessaE |
badly. |
| 21:27 |
IhrFussel |
"Request Error" for every graph |
| 21:28 |
entuland |
ahhahha |
| 21:34 |
lisac |
https://gitgud.io/users/sign_in |
| 21:35 |
lisac |
https://www.reddit.com/r/gamedev/comments/8okkk9/apple_deprecating_opengl/ |
| 21:35 |
nerzhul |
hey modders, see #7411 it can permits to remove your hacks :) |
| 21:35 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/7411 -- CSM/SSM: Add on_mods_loaded callback by nerzhul |
| 21:35 |
lisac |
!title |
| 21:35 |
MinetestBot |
lisac: Apple deprecating OpenGL. : gamedev |
| 21:35 |
nerzhul |
great, apple decided to remove all gaming features from its OS |
| 21:35 |
nerzhul |
metal is vulkan concurrent, and they don't talked about it :p |
| 21:39 |
lisac |
nerzhul: I think they think that will make people make MacOS-only games |
| 21:39 |
lisac |
what will actually happen is people switching to DirectX |
| 21:39 |
nerzhul |
no interest for nobody, great |
| 21:40 |
nerzhul |
currently in gamedev industry only modelers or graphist are sometimes on macosx, engine devs are generally on windows or linux (~50% of each) |
| 21:40 |
rubenwardy |
fuck that |
| 21:40 |
rubenwardy |
there will be a compatibility layer or something |
| 21:40 |
nerzhul |
no |
| 21:40 |
nerzhul |
compat layer = use a big engine (unity, UE) |
| 21:40 |
rubenwardy |
like wine does for dx |
| 21:41 |
rubenwardy |
and this is damaging as said, less reason for game makers to use opengl over dx |
| 21:42 |
nerzhul |
yes it can have a tiny side effect on Linux |
| 22:08 |
celeron55 |
everything seems to be going towards bigger platforms with walled gardens |
| 22:09 |
celeron55 |
in that world, nobody cares even if you only had one choice for a game engine |
| 22:11 |
celeron55 |
if you're not the biggest platform on the market, people don't even understand why they should care at all |
| 22:14 |
celeron55 |
except if you're apple, then for some reason you lead the entire computer industry with any and all crazy ideas you happen to have |
| 22:17 |
nerzhul |
they doesn't lead anything, iPhones are decreasing, Mac are not more brought than before |
| 22:17 |
nerzhul |
they have they glory time 2 years ago, but it's finished |
| 22:22 |
twoelk |
but if apple goes that only leaves ms on the proprietory side |
| 22:23 |
twoelk |
on the pc market that is |
| 22:23 |
twoelk |
but maybe the classic pc is an outdated concept |
| 22:24 |
nerzhul |
mobile has a great part, where microsoft loose |
| 22:25 |
twoelk |
micro-pc such as the nuc might take over the pc niche |
| 22:27 |
nerzhul |
https://twitter.com/gitlab/status/1003764673454342144 haha |
| 22:36 |
celeron55 |
nerzhul: just open a 2018 high end phone listing |
| 22:37 |
celeron55 |
it's literally just iphone clones |
| 22:38 |
celeron55 |
it's like nobody even bothers to think for themselves |
| 22:46 |
Fixer |
fuuu-- |
| 22:47 |
twoelk |
lol, freedom of choice is time consuming - I have been musing about only owning one sort of socks - should save time in the morning - no more needing time for decisions nobody notices anyways :D |
| 22:47 |
Fixer |
nerzhul: you wrote to me smth about minetest_game, but can't figured out where in the chat |
| 22:48 |
twoelk |
hm, ok, two types, one for summer and one for winter |
| 22:48 |
Fixer |
nerzhul: found it, nevermind |
| 22:49 |
Fixer |
celeron55: smartphone market already saturated and sales are declining it seems |
| 22:49 |
Fixer |
celeron55: what is annoying is how they copy apple bullshit like nosdcard, nojack, nonrem bats, notch... |
| 22:50 |
Fixer |
nerzhul: what about Vulkan on Apple, or it is anal, as usual? |
| 22:51 |
Fixer |
twoelk: despite the free market (tm), we often don't have much choice, for example, manufacturers suddenly stop making phones with replac batteries, en masse |
| 22:52 |
Fixer |
under false pretenses |
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| 22:52 |
Fixer |
to protect your phone, yet many are not waterproof and happely die without me able to throw out battery to prevent more damage |
| 22:52 |
celeron55 |
they can make a higher profit from a simpler physical construction and sell more of them when the battery gets old, it's not really a false pretense |
| 22:53 |
celeron55 |
completely against consumer interest of course, but nobody pretends it's better |
| 22:53 |
Fixer |
instead people now go to local guy and say "fuck manufacturer" and just replace battery for cheap |
| 22:53 |
Fixer |
you don't need to buy a new phone anymore |
| 22:53 |
celeron55 |
most are lazy and use it as an excuse to buy a new phone |
| 22:54 |
twoelk |
keeping a product as long as possible is - er - unproductive |
| 22:54 |
Fixer |
It is okay to update my Samsung with Android 2 (6 years old), it is big improvement in OS, but if you already have a new phone - it is reached maturaty, no need to update, same with PC |
| 22:54 |
Fixer |
celeron55: you mean teenagers have an excuse, when you live from wage to wage you just replace battery |
| 22:55 |
Fixer |
what is the point to change shitphone 6 to shitphone 7 when it is ___slightly___ better, no point |
| 22:55 |
Fixer |
it is like update from intel i3-2120 to i3-3230 or smth, tiny gain, for a full price |
| 22:55 |
Fixer |
instead you wait 10 years and then update your PC |
| 22:55 |
* twoelk |
wonders when they might find a whale with a stomach full of throwaway phones |
| 22:55 |
Fixer |
money saved you spend on your vacation or house repair |
| 22:56 |
Fixer |
twoelk: $200-600-800 is not throwaway |
| 23:00 |
Shara |
And here's me, happily refusing to get a smartphone and dreading the day my really ancient nokia finally dies :) |
| 23:03 |
twoelk |
oh yeah my old nokia with a battery that lasted a week |
| 23:04 |
Shara |
Mine still lives that long and then some |
| 23:05 |
Shara |
I can't even say which model it is, because the text has worn off |
| 23:06 |
twoelk |
sigh, I never went through the tamagotchi school so I let my current phone starve on a daily basis |
| 23:07 |
Shara |
It handles calls and I can set an alarm on it... battery lives forever and it's dirt cheap too. I don't need or want more. |
| 23:07 |
Shara |
I spend enough time online at home and in the office so I really don't want some portable internet with me everywhere I go. |
| 23:08 |
Shara |
And people who seem to need phones to navigate even short distance... I just don't understand |
| 23:08 |
twoelk |
that reminds me of the chirping cricket sound I always wanted to salvage from my old nokia |
| 23:08 |
Shara |
(oh, I can also drop it out of upstairs windows and in the bath a couple times and it survived fine...) |
| 23:09 |
Sokomine |
strange phenomen detected: colored glass (more than one color) placed below water -> becomes invisible (looks like it's just more water). but: if i place the same glass block somewhere above, the glass below the water suddenly becomes visible again |
| 23:10 |
Shara |
Sokomine: coloured thing with alpha and water... expect headaches. |
| 23:10 |
rubenwardy |
!title https://github.com/minetest/contentdb/pull/93 |
| 23:10 |
MinetestBot |
rubenwardy: Add git support for importing meta by rubenwardy · Pull Request #93 · minetest/contentdb · GitHub |
| 23:11 |
Fixer |
nerzhul: where are issues on your gitlab? |
| 23:11 |
Sokomine |
Shara: they're very useful, those smartphones. you can use the camera to make short notes by photographing things of intrest. and some have a very good flashlight integrated. very useful at night |
| 23:11 |
Fixer |
nerzhul: for MTG |
| 23:11 |
Sokomine |
(not to say that it runs mt as well...) |
| 23:11 |
Shara |
Sokomine: my phone screen gives enough light to see by... I often use it to move around the house at night. :) |
| 23:11 |
twoelk |
I got a mobile phone, a notebook out of paper, a wristwatch and a navi and sometimes a compass - I might be somewhat outdated |
| 23:11 |
Fixer |
i have real compass, game over |
| 23:12 |
Shara |
twoelk: I'd say same, but I don't use any of them... |
| 23:12 |
Fixer |
you failed |
| 23:12 |
twoelk |
oh, I forgot also with me my camera |
| 23:12 |
Fixer |
yeah, I have DSLR |
| 23:12 |
Fixer |
I guess for avg folk shitcam from shitphone is good enough |
| 23:12 |
Shara |
I have afairly good sense of direction. As long as I've looked at a map, I can usually remember it well enough to find my way. |
| 23:12 |
Sokomine |
Shara: smartphones have bigger screens. really useful when illuminating something :-) |
| 23:12 |
Shara |
And yes, if I will take photos, real camera please :) |
| 23:13 |
Fixer |
Sokomine: some have built in flashlight, use that instead |
| 23:13 |
Sokomine |
but that colored glass is really strange... |
| 23:13 |
Shara |
Sokomine: I've tried with them.. light is usally more.. spread out and gentle. Doesn't work well for me. |
| 23:13 |
twoelk |
oh, some of them mobilephone cams are better than my old camera :-( |
| 23:14 |
Fixer |
i have to admit, phone camers are pretty good for avg folk |
| 23:14 |
Shara |
They are pretty good now in all fiarness |
| 23:14 |
Shara |
fairness* |
| 23:15 |
twoelk |
ok, my compass is a little more sophisticated but that was something I bought from early selfearned money - and it has been used lots |
| 23:15 |
twoelk |
you can also calculate hights with it :-P |
| 23:16 |
twoelk |
fully undigital though |
| 23:17 |
twoelk |
must admit I also own a sextant - haven't used that much though |
| 23:27 |
Fixer |
i fail |
| 23:30 |
paramat |
Sokomine #95 2nd oldest issue |
| 23:30 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/95 -- Seeing more lava through see-through lava (no translucency depth-sorting) |
| 23:33 |
Fixer |
this is some ridiculous english |
| 23:35 |
Fixer |
implementing z-sorting, faster particles and proper mass entity loading without freeze should be on important list |
| 23:35 |
Fixer |
just my opinion |
| 23:36 |
rubenwardy |
Yes |
| 23:36 |
Shara |
Big yes. |
| 23:38 |
Fixer |
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DerxhrEWsAYQsa7.jpg |
| 23:49 |
paramat |
i remember hmmmm talking about z sorting, quite a big task |
| 23:51 |
paramat |
#1414 is marked high-priority |
| 23:51 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1414 -- Particles are very slow |
| 23:52 |
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| 23:59 |
Sokomine |
paramat: wow :-) that's pretty old. but the effect really felt very odd :-) makes you disbelieve in your eyes |
