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benrob0329 |
>minetest 0.4.16 in repos |
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benrob0329 |
I love Debian Testing |
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rdococ |
benrob0329: the TARDIS runs Linux 5.7.0-3 and Minetest 0.8.0 which adds VAEs! |
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benrob0329 |
o/ Jordach |
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tenplus1 |
hifolks |
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lumberJ |
g'morning tenplus1 |
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tenplus1 |
hi lumberJ :) |
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tenplus1 |
also hi Xio |
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tenplus1 |
hijor |
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tenplus1 |
*hi Jordach |
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tenplus1 |
Bonemeal updated to use place_param :) |
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Wayward_One |
Hi all :) |
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tenplus1 |
hey wayward :) |
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tenplus1 |
hi red |
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tenplus1 |
wb |
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Calinou |
hi :) |
| 10:02 |
tenplus1 |
hey Cal |
| 10:03 |
Calinou |
I'm in the process of migrating my web server to nginx |
| 10:03 |
Calinou |
it feels a bit slower than Apache for some reason on static content… or at least, it's not any faster |
| 10:03 |
Calinou |
thing is, my website is loading very fast already so there's not a lot to optimize :) |
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tenplus1 |
any advantages ? |
| 10:03 |
Calinou |
I also upgraded to PHP 7.2 (my homepage doesn't use it but other services do) |
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tenplus1 |
wb Jordach |
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tenplus1 |
o/ Fixer |
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tenplus1 |
hi longer |
| 10:39 |
longerstaff13-m |
Hi |
| 10:39 |
tenplus1 |
o/// |
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rubenwardy |
Calinou: on bench marks it performs way faster on static content |
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rubenwardy |
I suggest making sure stuff is cached on the client |
| 10:55 |
Fixer |
\\\o |
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tenplus1 |
wb ssieb |
| 11:48 |
Fixer |
PROMISE ME THE LIGHT |
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* tenplus1 |
gives fixer a torch |
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* Fixer |
lights up MTG dev room |
| 11:49 |
tenplus1 |
lol |
| 11:49 |
tenplus1 |
they all sleeping ? |
| 11:50 |
Wayward_One |
Not for long.. |
| 11:50 |
tenplus1 |
ehehe, hi wayward |
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* Wayward_One |
pulls out an air horn |
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Wayward_One |
Lol, hi :P |
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Mr_Pardison |
\o |
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tenplus1 |
hi mister |
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tenplus1 |
hi DI3HARD139 |
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DI3HARD139 |
Hello tenplus1 |
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tenplus1 |
Bonemeal mod updated, uses new place_param settings |
| 12:27 |
tenplus1 |
hi benrob |
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benrob0329 |
Hi tenplus1 |
| 12:28 |
tenplus1 |
o// |
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tenplus1 |
hi Jordach |
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tenplus1 |
o/ CWz |
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BillyS |
yay |
| 13:09 |
BillyS |
Thanks to whoever did that |
| 13:09 |
tenplus1 |
hi BillyS |
| 13:10 |
BillyS |
hi |
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Mr-Pardison |
cello BillyS |
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BillyS |
olleh |
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tenplus1 |
wb sniper |
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sniper570 |
thx tenplus1 :) |
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benrob0329 |
Wb Jordach |
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tenplus1 |
o// |
| 13:42 |
Mr-Pardison |
\\o// |
| 13:42 |
tenplus1 |
:P |
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BillyS |
o7 |
| 13:48 |
tenplus1 |
sun too bright ? |
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tenplus1 |
hi fussel |
| 13:51 |
IhrFussel |
Hi there =) |
| 13:52 |
Mr-Pardison |
ahoy, IhrFussel |
| 13:53 |
IhrFussel |
Firefox won't open any websites...any solution? |
| 13:53 |
Mr-Pardison |
start it from a terminal? |
| 13:53 |
IhrFussel |
I only see "waiting for google.com" right now |
| 13:53 |
Fuchs |
does a different browser work, if yes: are proxy settings broken? |
| 13:54 |
Fuchs |
including wpad / auto-proxy-foobar |
| 13:54 |
tenplus1 |
hi Fuchs |
| 13:54 |
Fuchs |
yes, hello |
| 13:54 |
IhrFussel |
I didn't change any settings since yesterday...not sure how they could break..will try another browser...(need to install one first) |
| 13:55 |
tenplus1 |
> sudo apt-get install chromium-browser |
| 13:55 |
Fuchs |
if other browsers do not work but name resolution (nslookup, ping, host, whatever you have) does work: check any sort of firewall that might block 80 / 443 |
| 13:55 |
Mr-Pardison |
shivajiva: I was wondering if I could borrow some of your code for the sban gui for my bounty hunting mod? I will give credit for that in the README file for your contribution) |
| 13:55 |
Fuchs |
if name resolution doesn't work: well, there you have the issue |
| 13:56 |
IhrFussel |
Fuchs, ping google.com works |
| 13:56 |
Fuchs |
okay, see if other browsers work, if no: potentially something blocks http(s) |
| 13:56 |
tenplus1 |
fussel, this may sound silly but is your time/date set ok ? |
| 13:56 |
Fuchs |
if other browsers do work: potentially the firefox settings, proxy would be a best guess, are wrong |
| 13:57 |
IhrFussel |
date/time should be fine...I wonder how something can be modified/corrupt if I didn't touch any settings |
| 13:58 |
IhrFussel |
Chromium works...so Firefox is the problem |
| 13:58 |
* tenplus1 |
uses chromium as main browser (disk cache disabled though) |
| 13:59 |
IhrFussel |
I guess I need to re-install firefox |
| 14:00 |
tenplus1 |
just delete or rename .mozilla folder to reset |
| 14:00 |
IhrFussel |
Proxy settings are set as "use system proxy" is that correct? |
| 14:01 |
tenplus1 |
could always set to "no proxy" and see if that helps |
| 14:01 |
IhrFussel |
Ok now it works again...who or what changed that setting and/or my system proxy settings?? |
| 14:02 |
IhrFussel |
A virus on Xubuntu is *very* unlikely |
| 14:02 |
tenplus1 |
what setting changes ? |
| 14:02 |
tenplus1 |
proxy ? |
| 14:03 |
IhrFussel |
Yes...I think either something changed my firefox proxy settings from "no proxy" to "use system proxy" OR something changed my OS proxy settings |
| 14:03 |
tenplus1 |
least it was a simple setting |
| 14:04 |
IhrFussel |
Yes but I still wonder what the cause was... You don't think it could've been malicious software? |
| 14:04 |
tenplus1 |
nah, doubt it |
| 14:05 |
rubenwardy |
try ping-ing a domain you've never been to |
| 14:05 |
tenplus1 |
did you do update or somthing ? |
| 14:05 |
rubenwardy |
as ones like google.com will probably be cached |
| 14:05 |
rubenwardy |
so try ping minecraft.net |
| 14:06 |
rubenwardy |
for future anyway |
| 14:06 |
rubenwardy |
the DNS sometimes breaks on my computer, not sure why |
| 14:06 |
rubenwardy |
probably need to find a proprietary driver |
| 14:12 |
tenplus1 |
ff is kinda lagging behind chromium browser of late, feels sluggish... |
| 14:12 |
rubenwardy |
:( |
| 14:13 |
rubenwardy |
even quantum? |
| 14:13 |
tenplus1 |
yup, sad but true |
| 14:13 |
rubenwardy |
I've found that it freezes quite often - ie: the tabs break |
| 14:13 |
rubenwardy |
but it's generally pretty snappy |
| 14:14 |
tenplus1 |
onyl reason I never used chromium before was because I couldnt turn off or limit the cache... but since I figured that out it's been my daily driver |
| 14:14 |
rubenwardy |
I have fibre optic though |
| 14:14 |
* tenplus1 |
feels slowdown on his net-top |
| 14:15 |
IhrFussel |
Minetest really seems to delay my connection...like when I click in my browser on a link while someone joins the server I have to click on the same link again to actually load the site |
| 14:15 |
rubenwardy |
sounds like you have a crappy router which is having congestion issues |
| 14:15 |
rubenwardy |
do you host your server from home? :O |
| 14:16 |
rubenwardy |
also, do you use remote media? |
| 14:17 |
IhrFussel |
No, I connect to my root server when playing and it doesn't need remote media cause the bandwith is up to 1 Gbit/s |
| 14:17 |
rubenwardy |
minetest media sending is slow, no matter your bandwidth |
| 14:19 |
tenplus1 |
any way to speed things up |
| 14:22 |
IhrFussel |
Is minetest.net having connection problems right now? |
| 14:22 |
IhrFussel |
I mean forum.minetest.net |
| 14:24 |
tenplus1 |
working ok here |
| 14:24 |
Fixer |
my nonquantum FF ESR on fu----- SSD coldstarts like 10 seconds |
| 14:24 |
Fixer |
this is fucked up |
| 14:25 |
Fixer |
my windows starts almost like that time |
| 14:25 |
tenplus1 |
*shudder*... chromium |
| 14:25 |
tenplus1 |
hwo many plugins/addons you got ? |
| 14:26 |
Fixer |
17 |
| 14:26 |
tenplus1 |
o.O seriously ? |
| 14:26 |
Fixer |
problem? |
| 14:26 |
Fixer |
most of them are tiny |
| 14:27 |
tenplus1 |
damn... I have 1 plugin on ff and chromium... ublock origins |
| 14:28 |
Fixer |
i also have like 6000 bookmarks |
| 14:28 |
Fixer |
you know, I'm using the browser |
| 14:28 |
tenplus1 |
THE browser ? |
| 14:28 |
Fixer |
i can't just remove 6000 bookmarks |
| 14:29 |
rubenwardy |
reminds me of Minetest's issue system |
| 14:29 |
rubenwardy |
you could close all of them |
| 14:29 |
rubenwardy |
but there could be useful stuff there |
| 14:29 |
Fixer |
yes |
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rubenwardy |
and going through them all is time consuming |
| 14:29 |
Mr-Pardison |
wb Jordach |
| 14:29 |
tenplus1 |
wb |
| 14:29 |
Fixer |
my oldest bookmarks just in firefox are like decades old or more |
| 14:29 |
Jordach |
fuck me CUPS on Apple devices are the fucking tits with that postscript |
| 14:30 |
Jordach |
*inserts printer USB cable* |
| 14:30 |
Jordach |
oh it works |
| 14:30 |
tenplus1 |
Fixer: why not save them as .html file and whittle them down to what you need |
| 14:31 |
Fixer |
tenplus1: this is possibility, but I doubt it will help much |
| 14:31 |
Fixer |
I also have a scrapbook |
| 14:31 |
Fixer |
fuckers at Mozilla can;t just add MHT support, so annoying |
| 14:32 |
rubenwardy |
export all |
| 14:32 |
rubenwardy |
delete all from firefox |
| 14:32 |
rubenwardy |
re-add ones you need |
| 14:32 |
tenplus1 |
yup |
| 14:32 |
rubenwardy |
should do that will MT issues |
| 14:32 |
tenplus1 |
that's why I like chromium... I can literally start typing "fo" and forums.minetest.net appears |
| 14:32 |
rubenwardy |
close every single one, reopen on request |
| 14:32 |
tenplus1 |
saves on a ton of bookmarks |
| 14:32 |
rubenwardy |
/jk |
| 14:32 |
Fixer |
but then why do I need a fucking firefox? |
| 14:32 |
rubenwardy |
happens on FF too |
| 14:33 |
rubenwardy |
and forums.minetest.net isn't bookmarked |
| 14:33 |
Fixer |
I'm expecting it to just work with bookmakrs |
| 14:33 |
Fixer |
of any size |
| 14:33 |
tenplus1 |
bookmark system needs work on ff |
| 14:33 |
Fixer |
let it load it on the go or smth |
| 14:33 |
tenplus1 |
so slow on importing/using |
| 14:34 |
Fixer |
quantum works better, but then again, no flashgot, no tabmix, no addbookmarkhere, no scrapbook, no mht support, it is just yet another chrome clone |
| 14:34 |
Fixer |
people used firefox for a reason |
| 14:34 |
rubenwardy |
how do you find out how many bookmakrs you have? |
| 14:34 |
Fixer |
powerful addons |
| 14:34 |
Fixer |
there is a plugin for that, it also cleans up 404 ones and dupes too |
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| 14:36 |
Fixer |
now quantum development is like: BUT PRINCESS IS IN ANOTHER CASTLE |
| 14:36 |
Mr-Pardison |
then ask the stereotypical Italian plumber to find that princess. |
| 14:36 |
tenplus1 |
its-a me... chromium :DDDD |
| 14:37 |
Fixer |
it is in castle quantum 60 |
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| 14:42 |
Fixer |
literally |
| 14:42 |
Fixer |
i left a bugreport to a addon developer |
| 14:42 |
Fixer |
and it said, oh yeah, that will be avail in FF60 in half-a-year |
| 14:43 |
tenplus1 |
damn... so much for fixing issues quickly |
| 14:44 |
xerox123 |
hello hello hello |
| 14:44 |
tenplus1 |
o/ xerox |
| 14:45 |
Mr_Pardison |
cello xerox123 |
| 14:46 |
BillyS |
♫♬ |
| 14:46 |
BillyS |
YaY |
| 14:46 |
tenplus1 |
moozak |
| 14:49 |
shivajiva |
Mr_Pardison: what bit would you like? |
| 14:49 |
shivajiva |
Hi tenplus :) |
| 14:49 |
Mr_Pardison |
the part where it will list the players on the side of it. |
| 14:49 |
tenplus1 |
hey shiva :P |
| 14:49 |
Mr_Pardison |
will need that as a target selector for the bounty. |
| 14:50 |
shivajiva |
help yourself |
| 14:50 |
Mr_Pardison |
thanks. |
| 14:51 |
shivajiva |
when you have refactored it you could make a pr, the whole mod needs a bit of that |
| 14:53 |
Mr_Pardison |
I feel like the pressure to complete the bounty mod has been ratcheted up a few clicks since Shara changed the tasks for modders text on the website. |
| 15:00 |
* tenplus1 |
sets a bounty for Mr-Pardison's left shoe |
| 15:00 |
* Mr-Pardison |
takes his left shoe and chucks it at tenplus1 |
| 15:01 |
* benrob0329 |
sets a bounty for fixing transparency in MT |
| 15:02 |
* tenplus1 |
chucks 2 gold back |
| 15:03 |
* benrob0329 |
realizes that the dynamic shadows PR is a much more realistic bounty |
| 15:05 |
tenplus1 |
that would be an awesome add |
| 15:08 |
Mr-Pardison |
which one? |
| 15:09 |
tenplus1 |
dynamic shadows |
| 15:09 |
tenplus1 |
they looked awesome |
| 15:09 |
rubenwardy |
they were glitchy |
| 15:10 |
tenplus1 |
shame |
| 15:11 |
* tenplus1 |
secretly adds pova :D mwhehehehehe |
| 15:12 |
benrob0329 |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/6165 |
| 15:13 |
tenplus1 |
niiiiice |
| 15:13 |
benrob0329 |
s/dynamic shadows/tod based shadows |
| 15:13 |
benrob0329 |
tenplus1: author was pissed off by kilbith |
| 15:14 |
tenplus1 |
checking comments |
| 15:14 |
rubenwardy |
not that hard to be |
| 15:17 |
tenplus1 |
brb |
| 15:21 |
rdococ |
hm, weird |
| 15:21 |
rdococ |
I thought I set location services to off on my tablet |
| 15:21 |
* rdococ |
eyes Google suspiciously |
| 15:21 |
benrob0329 |
Google always know |
| 15:21 |
* rdococ |
then yays |
| 15:22 |
rdococ |
benrob0329: at least it isn't Microsoftâ„¢ |
| 15:22 |
benrob0329 |
Thats debatable |
| 15:23 |
rdococ |
Google is definitely not Microsoft, but it may be debatable as to which is worse |
| 15:23 |
benrob0329 |
I'd argue they are both large corporations who only care about money |
| 15:25 |
rdococ |
I can understand wanting money but I can't understand not wanting anything much other than money |
| 15:29 |
tenplus1 |
mo money mo problems |
| 15:30 |
rdococ |
fictional universe concept: in the year 2203, GNU buys Microsoft and releases its products as open source |
| 15:31 |
tenplus1 |
w0000t! |
| 15:31 |
tenplus1 |
I still cant get over the fact that winblows needs at least 1gb to run as the base Os to run things on |
| 15:32 |
rdococ |
in 2234, Minecraft which is now owned by GNU would be merged with Minetest to form a highly flexible voxel-based game engine with things like VAEs |
| 15:32 |
rdococ |
which would, of course, be open source |
| 15:36 |
rdococ |
GNU would acquire Microsoft after a (hopefully not) unlikely series of events in which people become gradually less and less trustworthy of it, awareness of other web browsers increases and more and more people stop using Microsoft products including You-Know-What |
| 15:36 |
tenplus1 |
lol rdcoc |
| 15:36 |
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| 15:36 |
tenplus1 |
wb benrob |
| 15:37 |
rdococ |
which means that after the Minetest-Minecraft merger, the resulting voxel engine would be called Minetest as by that point, people had lost faith in Microsoft completely before its acquiral by GNU |
| 15:39 |
tenplus1 |
I think many ppl have already lost faith in microsoft... wait until MS core Os makes an appearance |
| 15:40 |
rdococ |
sure but many still use their products. over time people would find alternatives and begin to stop using Microsoft products altogether until it gets acquired by GNU |
| 15:41 |
rdococ |
Canonical is based in the UK, interesting |
| 15:41 |
* tenplus1 |
has been using ubuntu as main Os since 8.04 |
| 15:42 |
Fixer |
"Progressive Web Apps" |
| 15:42 |
Fixer |
lul |
| 15:43 |
rdococ |
I think Canonical really has a good thing going for it, it's able to make good revenue while supporting open source (although it appears to have been involved with the "linux subsystem in windows" thing, which might or might not be worrying, idk for sure yet). |
| 15:43 |
tenplus1 |
FriendUP is a pretty neat web Os... runs on all browsers :) |
| 15:44 |
rdococ |
hm, now how to run Firefox as a kernel... |
| 15:45 |
tenplus1 |
considering the chromium web engine is being used for many browsers and android mobiles they should stick with that and work on the 1 |
| 15:45 |
rubenwardy |
"Os" stresses me |
| 15:46 |
rubenwardy |
it's OS not multple Os |
| 15:46 |
rubenwardy |
:) |
| 15:46 |
rdococ |
:Os |
| 15:47 |
rdococ |
rubenwardy: I can't wait for an open-source supporting company to acquire Microsoft |
| 15:49 |
rubenwardy |
you're gonna have to wait |
| 15:49 |
rubenwardy |
unfortunately |
| 15:50 |
tenplus1 |
kewl |
| 15:50 |
rdococ |
rubenwardy: it would be a worthwhile wait though |
| 15:58 |
IhrFussel |
Guys if "TLS-Handshake is processing" is shown a lot when loadign sites...is it most likely my connection? |
| 15:59 |
IhrFussel |
Looks like my connection isn't that stable right now, just MT doesn't really notice 165 packets transmitted, 161 received, 2% packet loss, time 164246ms |
| 16:01 |
tenplus1 |
check your router/modem settings |
| 16:04 |
IhrFussel |
No errors, nothing changed |
| 16:05 |
sofar |
smells like a MITM attack |
| 16:06 |
sofar |
or you are using a very slow computer |
| 16:06 |
tenplus1 |
lol, hi sofar |
| 16:08 |
Mr-Pardison |
'ello sofar |
| 16:08 |
sofar |
sup |
| 16:11 |
IhrFussel |
sofar, the PC is not slow...what's an MITM attack and why would someone use it on me? |
| 16:13 |
IhrFussel |
It happens randomly... "Waiting for ..." and when I refresh it could work again |
| 16:13 |
sofar |
to make sure you'll vote extreme right wing |
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| 16:13 |
Mr_Pardison |
o/ |
| 16:13 |
tenplus1 |
o// |
| 16:13 |
Mr_Pardison |
~o~ |
| 16:15 |
BillyS |
7o7 |
| 16:15 |
Mr_Pardison |
What some ppl are: 404 errors. |
| 16:16 |
tenplus1 |
_o/ |
| 16:16 |
BillyS |
[ERROR] COde: 403 |
| 16:16 |
BillyS |
It is forbidden.â„¢ |
| 16:17 |
rdococ |
It has yayedâ„¢ |
| 16:17 |
IhrFussel |
http://allestörungen.de/stoerung/vodafone/berlin << My ISP provider (look the the rating lol) |
| 16:18 |
tenplus1 |
there site is so slow |
| 16:19 |
IhrFussel |
The graph shows the amount of reports at that time (in case it's in German) |
| 16:19 |
IhrFussel |
I mean complaints* |
| 16:19 |
rdococ |
looks like Vodafone has got a lot of recent complaints from Berlin |
| 16:20 |
sofar |
they're probably attempting to insert ads into HTTP |
| 16:20 |
tenplus1 |
wouldnt be surprised |
| 16:20 |
rdococ |
I would be, if only slightly |
| 16:20 |
rdococ |
I don't know of any ISP providers that do that but I've only ever used virgin media and sky broadband |
| 16:21 |
rdococ |
sky broadband isn't that bad even if I sometimes get angry over it |
| 16:21 |
rdococ |
especially for lower cost |
| 16:21 |
sofar |
either that or they are attempting to do some sort of censoring or monitoring |
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| 16:22 |
tenplus1 |
hi Krock |
| 16:22 |
Krock |
hi tenplus1 |
| 16:22 |
Mr-Pardison |
hola duck. |
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| 16:23 |
Mr-Pardison |
hello EvergreenTree |
| 16:23 |
tenplus1 |
hi evergreen |
| 16:23 |
EvergreenTree |
o/ |
| 16:24 |
Krock |
hi EvergreenTree |
| 16:24 |
rdococ |
I saw an ever-red tree once |
| 16:24 |
rdococ |
It was very odd |
| 16:24 |
tenplus1 |
lol |
| 16:24 |
Krock |
I saw ever-brown tree multiple times |
| 16:24 |
rdococ |
hm, I wonder if you could override grass and leaf nodes to simulate seasons |
| 16:24 |
Krock |
*trees. They're pretty much dead |
| 16:24 |
EvergreenTree |
my dead brethren :( |
| 16:25 |
rdococ |
Krock: really? I saw an ever-brown tree that wasn't dead |
| 16:25 |
Krock |
maybe just sleeping |
| 16:25 |
rdococ |
in fact, it was groaning about how it wanted to eat the system of roots and fungi below other trees |
| 16:26 |
rdococ |
it was almost like a zombie tree, very bizarre |
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tenplus1 |
wb octacian |
| 16:29 |
Mr-Pardison |
& hello. |
| 16:30 |
octacian |
thanks tenplus1. |
| 16:30 |
octacian |
Won't be here for long though :P |
| 16:30 |
rdococ |
? |
| 16:31 |
octacian |
Just popped on IRC to attempt to contact c55 regarding something. I'm usually just on Discord now though |
| 16:31 |
rdococ |
why are so many people using Discord now |
| 16:31 |
tenplus1 |
? prefer irc |
| 16:32 |
Krock |
octacian, you joined the wrong dark side. |
| 16:32 |
octacian |
While I do dislike the feel of the Electron web-based Discord client, it can do way more and just flat out looks nicer. |
| 16:32 |
rdococ |
Discord has a counter-intuitive interface, lags and is proprietary |
| 16:32 |
tenplus1 |
*shudder* |
| 16:32 |
rdococ |
I don't want my PMs - oh wait - DMs now - to keep shifting up and down as I click on them |
| 16:33 |
octacian |
True. The little lag that it does have though is just caused by the performance of Electron. |
| 16:33 |
* octacian |
has never experience that issue, or any other issue with Discord for that matter |
| 16:33 |
Mr-Pardison |
same since I haven't ever used discord :D |
| 16:33 |
rdococ |
octacian: when a DM appears on the sidebar to the left and you click it, it disappears and all the DMs below it shift upward |
| 16:33 |
Mr-Pardison |
and Krock is right. that is the wrong dark side. |
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| 16:34 |
tenplus1 |
wb Jordach |
| 16:34 |
rdococ |
this is very unintuitive behavior because you have to account for the constant shifting of the DMs |
| 16:34 |
octacian |
rdococ: Oh. That's a feature. The DM shows up there as a notification. When you click on it, the notification is dismissed and therefore the direct "link" to the DM is removed. |
| 16:34 |
rdococ |
octacian: that's a pretty bad feature then |
| 16:34 |
tenplus1 |
yup |
| 16:34 |
octacian |
Why? |
| 16:35 |
* tenplus1 |
uses Pidgin for it's simplicity |
| 16:35 |
rdococ |
and if I want to revisit an earlier DM I don't want to have to click another button that pops up a GUI that covers the usual chatting interface. and when I'm administrating a channel/server/whatever I want to see the chat too |
| 16:35 |
octacian |
When you get a notification on your desktop, do you expect it to not disappear when you click on it? |
| 16:35 |
octacian |
Discord's interface is pretty good TBH, it has a much simpler system for controlling permissions via a role system, allows editing and deleting messages, has builtin voice and video chat, has a nice emoji (and custom emoji) system, has link previews, and a much nicer system for sharing files/images/videos. |
| 16:35 |
rdococ |
When you get a notification on your desktop, do you expect it to appear in a sidebar along with other "notifications" that are actually channels/applications? |
| 16:36 |
octacian |
So... you don't really dislike the feature, you just dislike it's implementation due to being used to other things :P |
| 16:36 |
octacian |
Discord does take some time to get used to, but once you are, I far prefer it to IRC. |
| 16:36 |
rdococ |
I dislike the feature itself, even if the channel list was somewhere else, I would still find it annoying |
| 16:37 |
octacian |
While I do prefer the open source nature of and the wider variety of (native) clients available for IRC, Discord just has more features, and the few negatives are more than outweighed. |
| 16:37 |
rdococ |
The system for controlling permissions I couldn't care less about. !flags is simple and intuitive when I'm administrating an IRC channel on a network with ChanServ ! commands enabled |
| 16:37 |
octacian |
> on a network with ChanServ |
| 16:37 |
octacian |
You have to have ChanServ for that. There is no definite system for that in IRC. It can differ from network to network. |
| 16:38 |
rdococ |
true, but IRC networks are different from Discord servers in that one network may have many channels owned by many different people, and so you don't need as many |
| 16:38 |
octacian |
But, if there was another option that had more features similar to Discord, was open source and had native clients, I'd jump at it in a instant though. |
| 16:38 |
rdococ |
s/need as/need to be on as/ |
| 16:38 |
rdococ |
I am completely unconvinced by Discord's interface |
| 16:38 |
Mr-Pardison |
same. |
| 16:38 |
Mr-Pardison |
that and I've seen the horror of it. |
| 16:39 |
sfan5 |
octacian: IIRC matrix aims to become that |
| 16:39 |
octacian |
Well. If you did take the time to become very familiar with Discord's interface, I think you'd like it. |
| 16:39 |
octacian |
sfan5: Yeah, I've been looking into it recently. |
| 16:39 |
rdococ |
there was a time where I did use Discord often, and I never cared for the interface even then |
| 16:39 |
octacian |
If Discord wasn't quite nice when you become familiar with it, the platform wouldn't have 25 million users :P |
| 16:40 |
rdococ |
People can have differing opinions on how easy an interface is for them to use |
| 16:40 |
rubenwardy |
Quassel-core has the loading of Discord |
| 16:40 |
BillyS |
I have a top of the line iMac mini, which is about the most powerful personal computer you can get, and Discord made it bog down. No thank you. |
| 16:40 |
rubenwardy |
but the good looks of IRC |
| 16:40 |
rdococ |
ew, an Apple computer? |
| 16:40 |
BillyS |
Apples are tastey. |
| 16:41 |
octacian |
Another really nice thing about Discord for me is the chat history, where you can see past discussions even if you weren't there. And without having to have some custom logging system setup. |
| 16:41 |
rubenwardy |
that's what Quassel-core does |
| 16:41 |
BillyS |
I prefer a ZNC myself. |
| 16:41 |
octacian |
huh. Interesting. |
| 16:41 |
rubenwardy |
and IRCCloud |
| 16:41 |
rubenwardy |
ZNC sucks |
| 16:41 |
rubenwardy |
QuasselCore is way better than ZNC |
| 16:41 |
BillyS |
Discord is no doubt great and all, but, well, its not. :P |
| 16:41 |
BillyS |
I wouldn't know |
| 16:41 |
octacian |
When an open source alternative that is directly comparable to Discord comes out (and Matrix may already be that), I'll be switching though :) |
| 16:41 |
BillyS |
ZNC works for me |
| 16:41 |
rdococ |
octacian: IRC networks are highly flexible, and IRC clients are highly flexible. you can essentially choose your experience |
| 16:42 |
octacian |
Anyways... I suppose that most of us here will probably just have to agree to disagree regarding Discord as I highly doubt I'd be able to convince any of you lol |
| 16:42 |
rdococ |
most likely |
| 16:42 |
BillyS |
True |
| 16:43 |
octacian |
I wonder though. |
| 16:43 |
rdococ |
although BillyS having an Apple computer surprises me more |
| 16:43 |
BillyS |
YOu knew that. |
| 16:43 |
octacian |
If there were an alternative with the features of Discord, that was open source, might any of you be convinced to switch? |
| 16:43 |
rdococ |
no |
| 16:43 |
* octacian |
is going to get an Apple computer soon |
| 16:43 |
BillyS |
I need to to develop apple apps. |
| 16:43 |
BillyS |
I've told you at any rate. :P |
| 16:43 |
rdococ |
BillyS: for the app store thing? |
| 16:44 |
octacian |
Hey! Exact reason I'll be getting one. |
| 16:44 |
BillyS |
Yep |
| 16:44 |
rdococ |
the App Store for iOS has stupid policies |
| 16:44 |
octacian |
+1 to that |
| 16:44 |
BillyS |
octacian: Interesting. What language are you planning to use |
| 16:44 |
rubenwardy |
Swift |
| 16:44 |
octacian |
BillyS: Swift, probably. |
| 16:44 |
rubenwardy |
Objective-C sucks ass |
| 16:44 |
BillyS |
Same |
| 16:44 |
rdococ |
Subjective-C |
| 16:44 |
octacian |
yeah. I didn't even know you could still use other languages. |
| 16:45 |
tenplus1 |
seductive-C ? |
| 16:45 |
BillyS |
rdococ: Nothing that is Apple, Mikros0ft, or g00gle has good policys |
| 16:45 |
rubenwardy |
err, don't think you really can |
| 16:45 |
BillyS |
If I found anything seductive, it wouldn't be C. :P |
| 16:45 |
rdococ |
BillyS: the person with an Apple computer, dislikes Apple's policiesâ„¢ |
| 16:45 |
BillyS |
Yep |
| 16:45 |
rdococ |
romantic-C |
| 16:45 |
rubenwardy |
just use Swift |
| 16:45 |
tenplus1 |
eew swift |
| 16:45 |
rubenwardy |
nooo, it's great |
| 16:46 |
rdococ |
Yay for Xubuntu |
| 16:46 |
rubenwardy |
iOS dev kinda sucks, there's no package manager and both XCode and Swift are unstable |
| 16:46 |
BillyS |
True |
| 16:46 |
rubenwardy |
well, Swift isn't great it's just better than ObjC |
| 16:46 |
BillyS |
But it has a nice git interface |
| 16:46 |
rubenwardy |
you shouldn't judge an IDE based on that, really |
| 16:47 |
rdococ |
C++ has classes which are an OOP thing IIRC |
| 16:47 |
BillyS |
correct |
| 16:47 |
rubenwardy |
not sure how that's relevant, rdococ |
| 16:47 |
octacian |
Swift does seem to have pretty nice syntax. |
| 16:47 |
BillyS |
A wee bit wierd, tho |
| 16:47 |
octacian |
As much as I've heard that it is somewhat unstable. |
| 16:47 |
rdococ |
rubenwardy: Objective-C is OOP |
| 16:47 |
rubenwardy |
the syntax is good, it's just killed by the instability |
| 16:47 |
BillyS |
With its optional varibles |
| 16:47 |
sfan5 |
rubenwardy: have you heard of CocoaPods? |
| 16:48 |
octacian |
Really? What I've seen so far is that it's pretty similar to JS. |
| 16:48 |
BillyS |
Yeah, it's always 5 versions ahead of the docs. |
| 16:48 |
rdococ |
what, Objective-C doesn't even look like C or C++ |
| 16:48 |
rubenwardy |
yes, I've even used them when I was a professional iOS developer |
| 16:48 |
rubenwardy |
they suck |
| 16:48 |
rubenwardy |
it's also not official |
| 16:48 |
sfan5 |
sure |
| 16:48 |
sfan5 |
but it's a package manager and it worked nicely from the little time I'd used it |
| 16:48 |
rubenwardy |
Apple are working on spm (swift package manager), it's just not stable yet |
| 16:48 |
rdococ |
Objective-C looks like a weird version of Smalltalk |
| 16:48 |
tenplus1 |
prefer c++ |
| 16:49 |
rubenwardy |
Objective-C is the PHP of the systems/app dev world |
| 16:49 |
rdococ |
I prefer Smalltalk to Objective-C, but I'm unfamiliar with both Objective-C and C++ - and to be honest, I'm not that familiar with Smalltalk either |
| 16:49 |
octacian |
I suppose you can't use C++ for basic app dev on iOS though, can you? At least probably not easily... |
| 16:49 |
rubenwardy |
should never have been a thing |
| 16:49 |
rubenwardy |
Swift isn't that similar to JS really |
| 16:50 |
BillyS |
^ |
| 16:50 |
rubenwardy |
ES6/7 has some functional features, but that's not enough to say it's similar to Swift which is a functional language |
| 16:51 |
rdococ |
I like how Smalltalk is basically 100% object-oriented, even the booleans are objects you can send messages like ifTrue and ifFalse to (although I think those are optimized away) |
| 16:51 |
BillyS |
Sounds a bit like java. :P |
| 16:51 |
rdococ |
but then Lua can emulate basically every common paradigm out there |
| 16:51 |
tenplus1 |
-.- |
| 16:52 |
* BillyS |
is not a fan of Lua |
| 16:52 |
rubenwardy |
kotlin is way better than swift, further ahead |
| 16:52 |
BillyS |
It gets the job done, but just barely |
| 16:52 |
BillyS |
And you have to do it a clunky roundabout way |
| 16:52 |
* rdococ |
likes Lua as a fun novelty and scripting language which allows for weird hax |
| 16:52 |
rdococ |
BillyS: I would like to see a yayexample |
| 16:52 |
BillyS |
Splitting a string |
| 16:52 |
tenplus1 |
lua is fun |
| 16:53 |
rdococ |
BillyS: I agree there, Lua doesn't offer the best string manipulation functions |
| 16:53 |
rdococ |
although there are probably libraries for it |
| 16:54 |
octacian |
The biggest problems I have with Lua is the lack of proper class definition syntax and ternary operator syntax. |
| 16:54 |
Mr-Pardison |
ping me if this discussions has something I might like. |
| 16:54 |
tenplus1 |
lol mister |
| 16:54 |
rdococ |
Ooh, I had an idea for mercury salt deposits that kill you if you touch it |
| 16:55 |
rdococ |
You would be able to use it to set up booby traps for players and other mobs |
| 16:55 |
rdococ |
But you would have to be careful and not get too close |
| 16:58 |
* tenplus1 |
imagines rdococ's world full of acidic liquids and blocks |
| 16:58 |
rdococ |
tenplus1: Acids would turn metals into easily diggable salts, but certain metal+acid combinations would have different properties |
| 16:59 |
* tenplus1 |
wanders around with obsidian vacuum cleaner to suck up metal |
| 16:59 |
* rdococ |
pours acid into the vacuum cleaner, causing it to break and spew salts everywhere |
| 17:00 |
tenplus1 |
obsidian vacuums are indestructable |
| 17:00 |
rdococ |
but they can still be forced to spew out salts |
| 17:01 |
tenplus1 |
ehe |
| 17:01 |
rdococ |
hm |
| 17:02 |
rdococ |
I'm trying to decide if metal+acid reactions should use up the acid |
| 17:02 |
* Mr-Pardison |
puts on a hazmat suit and grabs some mercury salt blocks and sets a trap for tenplus1 |
| 17:02 |
rdococ |
if so, then that means metals would only be able to react next to acid source blocks, but if not, then you only need one acid source per acid type to get all the salts |
| 17:03 |
tenplus1 |
on_walkover and node damage will be working overtime :) but would make a fun adventure map |
| 17:16 |
* Mr-Pardison |
puts on his thermal NVG's and jet-pack and starts flying around in search of these nodes |
| 17:18 |
BillyS |
OOoooh, a jetpack mod! |
| 17:19 |
tenplus1 |
sounds good... |
| 17:23 |
Shara |
Mr-Pardison: what do you mean about me changing tasks for modders? |
| 17:24 |
tenplus1 |
hi shara |
| 17:24 |
Shara |
The info about the bounty hunting mod idea has been on there since long before you wanted to try it. |
| 17:24 |
Shara |
Hi ten, and everyone :) |
| 17:24 |
Mr-Pardison |
dis: Bounty hunting mod for Dark Lands: Should allow a player to specify a target and reward which will then be taken from their inventory and stored, and that will then be granted to a player who successfully kills the named target. |
| 17:25 |
Shara |
Yes, but that was there since long long ago |
| 17:25 |
Mr-Pardison |
but that is exactly what I am going for. |
| 17:25 |
Mr-Pardison |
that info can be gleaned only from the README. |
| 17:25 |
Shara |
wasn't that why you were going to try it though...? |
| 17:25 |
Shara |
Which readme? |
| 17:26 |
Mr-Pardison |
for the github repo for my mod. |
| 17:26 |
* Mr-Pardison |
moves his timeline to late 2018 early '19 |
| 17:26 |
Shara |
I'm still not sure what tasks you are claiming I changed... |
| 17:28 |
IhrFussel |
Nodes without texture appear as black on the minimap in 0.4.17 |
| 17:29 |
IhrFussel |
Not sure if black is a good color for them |
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| 17:29 |
tenplus1 |
hi lisac |
| 17:31 |
BillyS |
Mr-Pardison: I like that idea |
| 17:31 |
BillyS |
I happen to be the richest person in MT, at least on VE-S |
| 17:31 |
Mr-Pardison |
lemme post le link. |
| 17:31 |
tenplus1 |
is there a way to view biome patterns via bitmap without loading minetest ? |
| 17:32 |
BillyS |
I could hire assasins! |
| 17:32 |
Mr-Pardison |
https://github.com/cordial-cobra/Bounty_Hunting |
| 17:32 |
Mr-Pardison |
!title |
| 17:32 |
MinetestBot |
Mr-Pardison: GitHub - cordial-cobra/Bounty_Hunting: Adds in the ability to set a bounty on a player in a MT server. Once you are on the list, the only way to be ta[...] |
| 17:32 |
BillyS |
!title |
| 17:32 |
MinetestBot |
BillyS: GitHub - cordial-cobra/Bounty_Hunting: Adds in the ability to set a bounty on a player in a MT server. Once you are on the list, the only way to be ta[...] |
| 17:32 |
Mr-Pardison |
that's just the initial commit for it and I'm working on the bugs. |
| 17:33 |
BillyS |
ah |
| 17:33 |
Mr-Pardison |
I have gotten the SFINV page to properly register but when I click on the tab for it, MT crashes. |
| 17:33 |
lisac |
hey tenplus1 |
| 17:33 |
Mr-Pardison |
cello lisac |
| 17:33 |
lisac |
guitar Mr-Pardison |
| 17:34 |
Krock |
Mr-Pardison, you'll soon get more spam due the published email |
| 17:34 |
Mr-Pardison |
bah |
| 17:34 |
Mr-Pardison |
that's my junk email :D |
| 17:35 |
BillyS |
â„¢ |
| 17:35 |
Krock |
erm.. also your WIP branch looks very.. WIP lol |
| 17:35 |
Mr-Pardison |
very much so. |
| 17:35 |
Krock |
looking at the first line of code tells me that it won't compile |
| 17:36 |
Mr-Pardison |
as I said, my timeline is early 2019. |
| 17:36 |
Mr-Pardison |
and I haven't updated it to my latest part yet. |
| 17:36 |
BillyS |
HMm, maybe I'll go hack another open-source game |
| 17:36 |
BillyS |
People should know better the to make an open-source game in which you have to PAY> |
| 17:37 |
BillyS |
*. |
| 17:37 |
Krock |
BillyS, hacking open-source is boring. Expoit it. |
| 17:37 |
Krock |
*Exploit |
| 17:37 |
BillyS |
Hehe |
| 17:37 |
* Mr-Pardison |
likes finding exploits |
| 17:37 |
Shara |
early 2019? |
| 17:38 |
Mr-Pardison |
yeah. |
| 17:38 |
Mr-Pardison |
I've got this thing called college and real life to contend with. |
| 17:38 |
Shara |
I may possibly make it for you by then |
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| 17:38 |
tenplus1 |
hi raven |
| 17:38 |
Raven262 |
Hi ten |
| 17:39 |
Mr-Pardison |
I have this summer to work on it. |
| 17:39 |
Mr-Pardison |
I can probably crank it out then. |
| 17:42 |
Shara |
Anyone know at what depth liquids start appearing in caves? |
| 17:42 |
Shara |
Even a rough idea would help |
| 17:43 |
Mr-Pardison |
found caves that have water at about -250 |
| 17:44 |
Shara |
Playing around with the ability to set different kinds of liquids for caves |
| 17:44 |
tenplus1 |
ooh, wht you adding ? |
| 17:44 |
Shara |
Just want to extend the custom liquid types in HW into the underground |
| 17:45 |
Shara |
Already have multiple different stone types |
| 17:45 |
tenplus1 |
yay |
| 17:45 |
tenplus1 |
will brighten up caves more :D |
| 17:45 |
Shara |
You get things like this http://gingercat.tk/dg/hw_stone_mix.png |
| 17:46 |
BillyS |
I don't like caves with water. |
| 17:46 |
BillyS |
Idk why. |
| 17:46 |
tenplus1 |
nice, is it using default functions or voxelmanip |
| 17:46 |
BillyS |
Especially not IRL |
| 17:46 |
Shara |
Well, maybe caves with poison will suit you more? |
| 17:48 |
tenplus1 |
would be super creepy to find a cave with meat/flesh walls and blood pools... |
| 17:49 |
Shara |
hehe |
| 17:50 |
Shara |
sadly there is still quite limited control... not sure how well this will work yet |
| 17:50 |
Mr-Pardison |
tenplus1: that would be a dungeon where ppl had been killed. |
| 17:50 |
tenplus1 |
yeah... would be super creepy though, seeing zombie's crawling on the floor trying to get ya |
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| 17:51 |
Mr-Pardison |
ugh. |
| 17:51 |
Mr-Pardison |
\o longerstaff13-m |
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| 17:51 |
tenplus1 |
wb longer |
| 17:51 |
tenplus1 |
o/ paramat |
| 17:51 |
longerstaff13-m |
Hi and thanks |
| 17:53 |
paramat |
Shara depth of classic water/lava or of the new biome-defined cave liquid? |
| 17:54 |
Shara |
paramat: biome defined |
| 17:54 |
Shara |
since that's what I want to use (though I've gotten distracted looking at biome height boundaries for now anyway ) |
| 17:55 |
paramat |
biome defined cave liquid will appear wherever large caves are, bu tonly 50% of large caves have liquids (hardcoded) |
| 17:55 |
paramat |
in any mapgen there is a parameter for 'large cave depth' that sets the upper limit for them |
| 17:56 |
Shara |
Hold on... so smaller caves won't have any liquid or will only use old liquid? |
| 17:56 |
paramat |
the limit is usually -33 but -256 in mgv5 |
| 17:56 |
Shara |
I don't think I ever saw a large cave with liquid before... it was always the small ones, so I assumed this would replace that |
| 17:57 |
paramat |
by small caves i guess you mean the tunnels, no liquids in those |
| 17:57 |
Shara |
I mean.. whatever always had liquids :P |
| 17:57 |
paramat |
oh |
| 17:58 |
paramat |
don't confuse large caves with massive caverns |
| 17:58 |
Shara |
I assumed this would just replace where water/lava had previously been with the defined liquid |
| 17:58 |
paramat |
terminology issues :) |
| 17:58 |
Shara |
Yea :) |
| 17:59 |
paramat |
there's 3 types of cave in non-mgv6 mapgens: tunnels, large caves, massive caverns |
| 17:59 |
Shara |
okay |
| 17:59 |
paramat |
we call them 'large caves' because those are the larger caves from classic mgv6 |
| 18:00 |
Shara |
That would explain it |
| 18:00 |
Shara |
I just call them caves :) |
| 18:00 |
paramat |
"I assumed this would just replace where water/lava had previously been with the defined liquid" yes |
| 18:01 |
Shara |
awesome then :) |
| 18:01 |
tenplus1 |
:P |
| 18:01 |
Shara |
Thank you |
| 18:02 |
paramat |
yes, :P hehe |
| 18:04 |
paramat |
:P is how i feel working on MT |
| 18:07 |
tenplus1 |
that reminds me, gotta redo the crop mapgen for farming :P |
| 18:08 |
paramat |
the tunnels are everywhere, the large (liquid) caves are underground, the giant caverns are much deeper |
| 18:08 |
Mr-Pardison |
I do like the giant caverns. |
| 18:08 |
Mr-Pardison |
offers plenty of space to roam around in. |
| 18:17 |
tenplus1 |
back laters |
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* Mr-Pardison |
backs tenplus1's later actions |
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| 18:38 |
Shara |
Is there any easy way to quickly regenerate a specific part of a map? |
| 18:38 |
Shara |
I am sure I came across something for this once, but can't remember what it was part of |
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| 18:45 |
IhrFussel |
Shara, //deleteblocks pos1 pos2 from WE? |
| 18:46 |
Shara |
I was looking at that, but was unsure what it actually does |
| 18:47 |
Shara |
But someone trashed a big chunk of my map, so may as well try |
| 18:47 |
IhrFussel |
Wait it's just //deleteblocks and it takes the pos from your marker so regular region |
| 18:48 |
IhrFussel |
It will delete the mapblocks forcing the engine to re-generate that part for the DB again |
| 18:48 |
Shara |
Perfect then |
| 18:48 |
Shara |
Thank you |
| 18:49 |
IhrFussel |
Could potentially cause false results if you switched the mapgen since |
| 18:49 |
Shara |
I didn't |
| 18:49 |
Shara |
Just need to undo some WE stupidity |
| 18:50 |
Shara |
First serious mess up anyone made on this scale in the history of the server |
| 18:50 |
IhrFussel |
I found out yesterday...wanted to repair a hole and used the command...suddenly the hole was even bigger and it added water in it |
| 18:53 |
Shara |
I knew there was something that could do it, just couldn't find the command |
| 18:53 |
Shara |
You saved me a headache here, thanks |
| 19:13 |
paramat |
meh how about the engine's builtin /deleteblocks chat command? |
| 19:14 |
paramat |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/24b6bd0f679f3cc5ff07bb5eb5ee787c20d3a5e8/builtin/game/chatcommands.lua#L505 |
| 19:15 |
paramat |
remember it will regenerate entire mapchunks though |
| 19:16 |
paramat |
any mapchunk that the specified volume intersects |
| 19:18 |
Shara |
Well, I already fixed as much as I can right now. Very low on time since I want to actually finish what I started with these biomes.... |
| 19:18 |
Shara |
But might try that when fixing the rest |
| 19:22 |
IhrFussel |
The one from WE is easier to use since you can mark a region and don't have to type the positions manually |
| 19:22 |
IhrFussel |
And the "here" parameter isn't always useful |
| 19:26 |
rdococ |
hm, looks like I fell asleep |
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paramat |
planetoid experiment https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/7241#issuecomment-385764950 |
| 19:31 |
Shara |
I really hope this PR makes it in. Ability to set air nodes could be very useful |
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tumeninodes |
votes needed to change #minetest-hub to #minetest-hubba-bubba 8D |
| 19:44 |
Shara |
Yesss... underground poison pools! http://gingercat.tk/dg/hw_toxic_underground.png |
| 19:44 |
Shara |
paramat: seems this works nicely :) |
| 19:45 |
tumeninodes |
sending in unaware children to test it out |
| 19:45 |
Shara |
Sounds like a plan |
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paramat |
"I like to compare everything that goes into the engine for how well it suits a gravitation-less space game without ground surface. If everything is either disableable or suitable for such, then it gives much more freedom for people to experiment and create interesting things, even in ground-based worlds." c55 in 2013 |
| 19:49 |
paramat |
ooh nice |
| 19:50 |
Shara |
paramat: Now imagine that cave with vines growing from the ceiling and so on, maybe some weird plants growing in the water |
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| 19:52 |
tumeninodes |
... moss, with little poison, grassy plants or spores growing from it..., with poisonous snails which hang out and feed upon it |
| 19:53 |
Shara |
If you want to make me a snail model... :P |
| 19:53 |
rdococ |
mercury salt deposits that damage you on touch . . . |
| 19:53 |
* Fixer |
copies more children and sends them to underground poison pools (Ctrl+S/Ctrl+C/Ctrl+V/child rush, zeg smth!) |
| 19:54 |
Fixer |
yay, new mob for MTG |
| 19:54 |
tumeninodes |
Shara, eventually |
| 19:54 |
* rdococ |
cuts Fixer with Ctrl+X, and then pastes him to determine what it feels like to be deleted temporarily |
| 19:54 |
tumeninodes |
was thinking fire ants too |
| 19:55 |
tumeninodes |
*for other areas |
| 19:55 |
Shara |
tumeninodes: Well, this thing already has an insects mod... |
| 19:55 |
paramat |
new mob: disposable-test-children, lol |
| 19:55 |
tumeninodes |
you think this thing is a highway |
| 19:55 |
Shara |
paramat: yess :D |
| 19:56 |
tumeninodes |
sounds like a Manson song :D |
| 19:57 |
tumeninodes |
that would be sure to garner some attention for Minetest... Disposable_test_children |
| 19:58 |
tumeninodes |
may not be the sort of attention desired but, can't be too fussy |
| 19:58 |
paramat |
i want MT to be able to 'do space'. to me MC and MTG seem to simulate the progression of humans through the industrial ages, the natural extrapolation of that is the space age and leaving the planet for others |
| 19:59 |
Shara |
Well, you know it's something I'm interested in seeing happen. |
| 19:59 |
tumeninodes |
does this mean we can look forward to apocalypse being added to MTG? |
| 19:59 |
Shara |
But for me it's also about height in both directions. |
| 20:00 |
rdococ |
Near the center of the Earth IRL, gravity would be decreased as the Earth from the other side of the planet would be pulling you more and more |
| 20:00 |
Shara |
tumeninodes: one meaning of that is probably what they tempted by involving me :) |
| 20:00 |
rdococ |
Actually, I think I got that explanation wrong - more and more of the Earth would be above you |
| 20:00 |
tumeninodes |
wait??? how does one get height in two directions? |
| 20:01 |
rdococ |
tumeninodes: down to -31000, up to 31000 |
| 20:01 |
Shara |
tumeninodes: if I stand above you on a hill, it doesn't suddenly mean you have depth instead :P |
| 20:01 |
tumeninodes |
I was being fassescious..., fasee..., fac... I was being silly |
| 20:01 |
Shara |
:D |
| 20:02 |
* tumeninodes |
has no depth |
| 20:02 |
rdococ |
facetious |
| 20:02 |
tumeninodes |
^that's obnixious |
| 20:02 |
tumeninodes |
:D |
| 20:02 |
rdococ |
obnoxious |
| 20:02 |
tumeninodes |
see? |
| 20:03 |
rdococ |
tumeninodes: it is also facetious, as I am doing it playfully |
| 20:03 |
tumeninodes |
I know, me too |
| 20:03 |
rdococ |
two |
| 20:03 |
Mr-Pardison |
g2g cya |
| 20:03 |
tumeninodes |
to... I win |
| 20:03 |
rdococ |
wen |
| 20:04 |
tumeninodes |
I'm stopping before I push my luck... back to MTG |
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| 20:11 |
Shara |
And if you don't want to drop the disposable test children in the poison pool, right next to it is this... http://gingercat.tk/dg/hw_lava_flow.png |
| 20:11 |
Shara |
So we even have choices! |
| 20:12 |
tumeninodes |
hmmm, that is where disposable kittens would come in handy |
| 20:12 |
Shara |
Nooo |
| 20:12 |
Shara |
Not cooked kittens |
| 20:13 |
tumeninodes |
heh |
| 20:13 |
Shara |
I love this lava. I guess there myst be a good texture person involved somewhere? :P |
| 20:13 |
Shara |
must* |
| 20:14 |
tumeninodes |
if there is, send them over..., we could use one :D |
| 20:14 |
Fixer |
https://i.imgur.com/5XiEkNm.png mmmm, translucency |
| 20:15 |
tumeninodes |
mc, so it doesn't count |
| 20:15 |
Shara |
Sorry tumeninodes, I don't feel like sharing my texture person :P |
| 20:15 |
tumeninodes |
uh oh |
| 20:17 |
tumeninodes |
I prefer "graphics valet" thank you very much |
| 20:17 |
tumeninodes |
don't forget to tip |
| 20:17 |
Shara |
:D |
| 20:24 |
rdococ |
Shara: what server? |
| 20:24 |
rdococ |
I would like to see the poison pool and the lava pool |
| 20:24 |
Shara |
No server |
| 20:25 |
rdococ |
Fixer: I can't wait for GNU to acquire it in the 23rd century ;) |
| 20:25 |
Shara |
This is a game that I'm working on with a few people |
| 20:25 |
rdococ |
Shara: ah |
| 20:25 |
rdococ |
Shara: is it based on MTG? |
| 20:25 |
Shara |
No |
| 20:26 |
rdococ |
I would find it pretty difficult to start a game from scratch |
| 20:26 |
Shara |
Different textures, different biomes, different crafting system, even different player model now |
| 20:27 |
Shara |
We keep saying MT is meant to be a game engine, so we shouldn't need to build from MTG to create games |
| 20:27 |
ThomasMonroe |
lol, true |
| 20:27 |
Shara |
I have used sfinv, but it being used in MTG wasn't a factor in that decision either way. |
| 20:29 |
Shara |
It does have fireflies as well, but it had them before MTG did. It also uses the same spawn system that was just added for MTG, but again, it was planned since before MTG had that :) |
| 20:37 |
longerstaff13 |
hello people |
| 20:39 |
Shara |
Hi longerstaff13 |
| 20:40 |
longerstaff13 |
o/ Shara |
| 20:43 |
rdococ |
Shara: What is the game called? I'd love to try it out. |
| 20:43 |
Shara |
Hidden Worlds. But it's not public yet. |
| 20:44 |
rdococ |
Ah. |
| 20:44 |
Shara |
Lots of messy bits still. And by messy I mean unplayable. |
| 20:45 |
Shara |
I'm hoping we can have a version that is at least fit to be tested by others by the time 0.5 happens |
| 20:45 |
Shara |
But since we don't know when that will be... :P |
| 20:46 |
rdococ |
Oh my god I think I found a forum filled with people that think alchemy is real |
| 20:46 |
Shara |
It won't work in stable though. Lots of features in dev are being used |
| 20:47 |
rdococ |
Ooh, 0.5.0-dev features |
| 20:48 |
Shara |
The ability to set different liquids underground was only added a few days or so ago |
| 20:54 |
aerozoic |
Is there any way to track down the source of lag? |
| 20:55 |
tumeninodes |
yes..., it's called Fixer |
| 20:57 |
rdococ |
I'm trying to create an antidote to sauce of lag |
| 20:57 |
rdococ |
the sauce tastes nice but results in the world appearing... laggy |
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IhrFussel |
aerozoic, profiler.load = true |
| 21:36 |
IhrFussel |
Then ingame /profiler save |
| 21:36 |
IhrFussel |
Then there is a .txt file in your world directory with lag values for each callback in each mod |
| 21:38 |
IhrFussel |
Well the execution time for them I mean |
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aerozoic |
thx IhrFussel |
| 21:39 |
aerozoic |
ThomasMonroe, did u know about that? ^ |
| 21:41 |
IhrFussel |
Many don't know that the save option exists and only use print to print the results in the chat ... with .txt files it's much easier to parse the output to a script that for example calculates the values for the worst mods |
| 21:42 |
aerozoic |
IhrFussel, does the server need to run for awhile before using the save command? |
| 21:43 |
aerozoic |
or should i strategically use the command only when the lag is happening? |
| 21:43 |
IhrFussel |
aerozoic, IMO it's better to take multiple results ... one after 5 minutes, another after an hour and a thir after a few hours |
| 21:44 |
IhrFussel |
Some callbacks in some mods only run rarely...and those could cause lag |
| 21:45 |
ThomasMonroe |
aerozoic, no I didn't, I'll try it sometime |
| 21:45 |
aerozoic |
ThomasMonroe, i'm doing it in a few minutes :) Maybe we can solve this issue! |
| 21:45 |
IhrFussel |
Also concentrate on the average time...min/max aren't that useful |
| 21:46 |
IhrFussel |
And remember that the logged times are in µs so 1,000 = 1ms |
| 21:47 |
IhrFussel |
Everything < 1,000 should be fine |
| 21:51 |
rdococ |
When I create an online service, all accounts must be at least 16 characters long, have spaces in them and there will be no upper limit on the number of characters |
| 21:51 |
rdococ |
er, I mean account passwords |
| 21:52 |
sfan5 |
have fun with nobody using your service then |
| 21:53 |
rubenwardy |
lol |
| 21:55 |
sofar |
/msg nickserv nickchange sofar123123123123123 |
| 22:07 |
rdococ |
Functions are kind of like eager-to-recalculate tables. they never want to calculate anything before it's required, but they also never want to cache it so that they don't need to recalculate it. |
| 22:15 |
rdococ |
repl.it's anonymous repl names are getting weirder: "SereneDarkProcedurallanguage" |
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Fixer |
*,,,,,,* |
