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rdococ |
I was happy but now I'm a little frustrated |
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benrob0329 |
https://lutris.net/ |
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longerstaff13 |
morning |
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tenplus1 |
hi folks |
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tenplus1 |
hi nerzhul |
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nerzhul |
hi tenplus1 |
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tenplus1 |
o// |
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tenplus1 |
wb red |
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tenplus1 |
o// |
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Calinou |
Fedora 28 is out! |
| 10:39 |
Calinou |
upgrading my laptop and desktop right now |
| 10:39 |
Calinou |
https://fedoramagazine.org/whats-new-fedora-28-workstation/ |
| 10:40 |
tenplus1 |
no Cal... nooooooooo.... |
| 10:40 |
tenplus1 |
also hi |
| 10:40 |
Calinou |
hi :) |
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tenplus1 |
o/ |
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tenplus1 |
it's kewl that redhat comes with vbox additions as standard tho |
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tenplus1 |
hi CWz |
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CWz |
Hello tenplus1 |
| 11:18 |
tenplus1 |
o// |
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CWz |
wanna hear something funny |
| 11:19 |
tenplus1 |
whassat ? |
| 11:19 |
CWz |
latest kernel for linux mint 17.3 doesn't work with the driver of GLX |
| 11:19 |
tenplus1 |
which version is that ? |
| 11:22 |
tenplus1 |
4.15 or 4.16 ? |
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tenplus1 |
hi evergreen |
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tenplus1 |
o/ fixer |
| 11:32 |
rubenwardy |
0.4.16-dev for stability |
| 11:32 |
rubenwardy |
*0.4.17 |
| 11:32 |
rubenwardy |
/jk |
| 11:32 |
tenplus1 |
is 0.4.17 released yet |
| 11:32 |
rubenwardy |
no, not sure what's happening |
| 11:33 |
rubenwardy |
not a good time for me anyway |
| 11:35 |
tenplus1 |
has changelog been updated to show main differences between 0.4.16 and .17 ? |
| 11:36 |
rubenwardy |
there's not really many changes |
| 11:36 |
tenplus1 |
really ? |
| 11:36 |
rubenwardy |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/6746 |
| 11:39 |
tenplus1 |
lol, quite extensive list :D |
| 11:39 |
Fixer |
\o |
| 11:40 |
tenplus1 |
a lot of bugs fixed |
| 11:42 |
tenplus1 |
was the chest fix added after player leave ? |
| 11:42 |
tenplus1 |
I dont see that on list |
| 11:43 |
rubenwardy |
that's MTG |
| 11:43 |
tenplus1 |
checking changes tehre :D |
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tenplus1 |
yay its there |
| 11:44 |
tenplus1 |
hi longer |
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longerstaff13-m |
Hi 10+1 |
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tenplus1 |
wb nerzhul |
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Mr_Pardison |
\o |
| 12:25 |
tenplus1 |
hey mister |
| 12:26 |
ThomasMonroe |
hey tenplus1 :P |
| 12:26 |
tenplus1 |
hi thomas :D |
| 12:27 |
tenplus1 |
hows things |
| 12:27 |
ThomasMonroe |
good :) |
| 12:27 |
tenplus1 |
:) kewl |
| 12:27 |
ThomasMonroe |
I'm makin' a huge build on HOMETOWN |
| 12:27 |
tenplus1 |
ooh nice... what ya building ? |
| 12:27 |
ThomasMonroe |
tbh it's probably gonna take half a year or more XD |
| 12:27 |
ThomasMonroe |
a city |
| 12:28 |
tenplus1 |
sweet... mind and post screenshots on forum :) |
| 12:29 |
Mr_Pardison |
interesting thing about screenshots. |
| 12:29 |
Mr_Pardison |
some ppl takethem when they have all sorts of stuff cluttering the screen like chat, debug info and the HUD. |
| 12:30 |
tenplus1 |
just gotta turn all that off before hand :D |
| 12:30 |
ThomasMonroe |
lol there's nothing worth taking pics of yet anyways |
| 12:30 |
ThomasMonroe |
just a bunch of stone and wood |
| 12:30 |
tenplus1 |
w00t! wood :D |
| 12:30 |
Mr_Pardison |
whale then.... |
| 12:32 |
tenplus1 |
been watching this guy for ideas: https://www.youtube.com/user/Jeremy1992craft/videos his builds are quite amazing and giving me lots of ideas for coloured glass effects |
| 12:32 |
Mr_Pardison |
they use YKW. |
| 12:33 |
tenplus1 |
that doesnt matter :) end effects are the same |
| 12:35 |
rubenwardy |
heresy" |
| 12:37 |
tenplus1 |
the glowing cave effect was really well done with some simple coloured glass and lava :D |
| 12:37 |
tenplus1 |
tried and tested on mt |
| 12:37 |
Mr_Pardison |
abriglass + default:lava? |
| 12:38 |
tenplus1 |
abriglass, cblocks and lava. hes |
| 12:38 |
tenplus1 |
*yes |
| 12:39 |
Mr_Pardison |
I still have to learn lighting effects for large builds that require it, especially those that are underground. |
| 12:40 |
tenplus1 |
meselamp's with slabs on top ets light through |
| 12:40 |
tenplus1 |
same for ceilings and walls :D |
| 12:40 |
tenplus1 |
can ligth a full room with hidden lamps |
| 12:42 |
Mr_Pardison |
Have I shown this to y'all before? https://imgur.com/a/ovRCu |
| 12:43 |
tenplus1 |
wow, that's a large underaking ?D |
| 12:43 |
Mr_Pardison |
that was on a local game where I worked on learning technic and pipeworks. |
| 12:44 |
tenplus1 |
richard jeffried did a nice youtube video on tecnhic reactors as well :D |
| 12:44 |
tenplus1 |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eh9eLdM41L0 |
| 12:47 |
tenplus1 |
would be scared of blowing up the map building one :PPP |
| 12:50 |
Mr_Pardison |
That's why you build it away from buildings in the event that it melts down. |
| 12:50 |
tenplus1 |
how big is the explosion radius :PPPP |
| 12:50 |
Mr_Pardison |
safest way to prevent it from melting down when you need to add more fuel is to take out the switching stations. |
| 12:50 |
Mr_Pardison |
when it melts down, it releases corium which is a liquid. |
| 12:53 |
rubenwardy |
I need to make a unloaded block supporting mechanics mod |
| 12:53 |
rubenwardy |
so it stores graphs which represent the links between nodes, and allows it to be updated whilst the block isn't loaded |
| 12:53 |
rubenwardy |
optionally with multithreading |
| 12:53 |
tenplus1 |
ahh, that would be handy |
| 12:53 |
tenplus1 |
kinda like furnace |
| 12:54 |
rubenwardy |
no |
| 12:54 |
rubenwardy |
furnace doesn't work when unloaded |
| 12:54 |
rubenwardy |
it catches up |
| 12:54 |
tenplus1 |
oh, thought that's what ya meant |
| 12:54 |
Mr_Pardison |
like keeping the map chunk there loaded while away? |
| 12:54 |
rubenwardy |
no |
| 12:55 |
rubenwardy |
the mapblock will be unloaded, but the electronics and stuff will still work |
| 12:55 |
tenplus1 |
storing machine in memory and running when it's not active ? |
| 12:55 |
rubenwardy |
pistons won't be supported |
| 12:55 |
rubenwardy |
but things like pipe works, conveyor belts, and stuff |
| 12:55 |
rubenwardy |
in terms of design, I think I'll make a Lua HTTP server to act as an outside worker |
| 12:56 |
tenplus1 |
hrmm |
| 12:56 |
rubenwardy |
would need block loading callbacks though |
| 12:58 |
Mr_Pardison |
tenplus1: this is the video that shows how to build the reactor and what happens when it melts down: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfBwygvEJNA |
| 12:58 |
Mr_Pardison |
!title |
| 12:58 |
MinetestBot |
Mr_Pardison: Minetest: Technic Mod - Nuclear Reactor + Meltdown - YouTube |
| 12:58 |
tenplus1 |
heh |
| 13:02 |
Mr_Pardison |
if fire is enabled, it will set wood and other nodes that burn on fire. |
| 13:03 |
tenplus1 |
kinda like that scene in terminator when the blastwave comes and cooks everything :D |
| 13:16 |
tenplus1 |
is there any real reason not to replace air with fire and fire with air using swap_node instead of set_node ??? |
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tenplus1 |
wb |
| 13:40 |
Mr-Pardison |
ty |
| 13:41 |
Fixer |
---- summer! |
| 13:41 |
Fixer |
+30*C is not okay |
| 13:41 |
tenplus1 |
that's not too bad... |
| 13:42 |
Fixer |
it is +30 right now |
| 13:44 |
Fixer |
the heat is burning |
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Mr-Pardison |
that's actually a cool day during the summer where I live. |
| 13:44 |
tenplus1 |
wb evergreen |
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* Fixer |
sends heat to everyone |
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* Mr-Pardison |
encloses himself in an ice cavern |
| 13:46 |
tenplus1 |
lol, it's 11c here so send another 9c |
| 13:46 |
Fixer |
european weather sucks |
| 13:46 |
Fixer |
these days it is also weird |
| 13:52 |
Fixer |
i have no idea why people settle in heat burning areas |
| 13:53 |
tenplus1 |
for the lulz |
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tenplus1 |
hi sniper |
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sniper570 |
yo tenplus1 |
| 14:22 |
Fixer |
o_o |
| 14:22 |
tenplus1 |
o.O |
| 14:27 |
Mr-Pardison |
O.o |
| 14:27 |
tenplus1 |
ehehe |
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tenplus1 |
hey Krock |
| 14:49 |
Krock |
hi tenplus1 |
| 14:49 |
Mr-Pardison |
quack! |
| 14:49 |
Krock |
S P A C Y |
| 14:49 |
tenplus1 |
:P |
| 14:51 |
tenplus1 |
Krock: quick question, is there any down side to using swap_node for fire mod in swapping between air and flame and vice versa to speed things up ? |
| 14:51 |
Fixer |
S P I C Y |
| 14:52 |
tenplus1 |
Spice is life |
| 14:52 |
Krock |
the only downside is that the callbacks aren't run - but that can be done manually if needed |
| 14:52 |
tenplus1 |
that's the thing though, basic_flame and air dont have callbacks when placing |
| 14:53 |
tenplus1 |
skipping the meta altogether and callbacks would greatly improve speed for fire mod |
| 14:53 |
* tenplus1 |
has been using this on Xanadu for over a year with no side effects |
| 14:59 |
tenplus1 |
ooh wait, does a node timer stop when you swap that node to "air" ? |
| 15:01 |
BillyS |
I would assume so |
| 15:01 |
tenplus1 |
ah kewl :P |
| 15:18 |
tenplus1 |
fire redo updated with changes if anyone interested: https://github.com/tenplus1/fire |
| 15:19 |
Krock |
tenplus1, sometimes I just laugh how ridiculous easy some speedups can be: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/36eb823 |
| 15:20 |
tenplus1 |
lol, every little helps :) |
| 15:20 |
tenplus1 |
especially on a busy server |
| 15:20 |
Krock |
heh yes. every little. how about a 1/100th of the previous execution time? |
| 15:20 |
tenplus1 |
wow, is that how fast that one little change is ? |
| 15:20 |
tenplus1 |
nice |
| 15:21 |
Krock |
swap_node however doesn't have such big performance benefits unless you're mass-converting tens of nodes at once |
| 15:21 |
tenplus1 |
with fire it may be the case... look how fast it can spread and die out |
| 15:22 |
tenplus1 |
I've had burning forests bring a server to it's knees with lag, even this tiny change will help |
| 15:22 |
Krock |
for entire forest fires it's maybe even better to use a vmanip in large scale |
| 15:22 |
* Mr-Pardison |
accidentally starts a forest fire |
| 15:22 |
Mr-Pardison |
seems I didn't listen to Smokey the Bear. |
| 15:22 |
rdococ |
I was thinking about programming constructs today, and wondered if the 'switch' construct could be considered a generalized form of the 'if/elseif/else' construct |
| 15:22 |
tenplus1 |
lol, it's ok mister, I have the /fire [on|off] setting just incase |
| 15:23 |
tenplus1 |
hi rdococ |
| 15:23 |
Krock |
rdococ, they're pretty much equivalent, yes |
| 15:24 |
Krock |
in some languages (not sure about the C(++) compilers) a warning is thrown if you try to use it in an unusual way by not using a "break;" to automatically join and execute the next case |
| 15:25 |
Krock |
break / continue / return / goto, whatever |
| 15:28 |
tenplus1 |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/2118 |
| 15:36 |
Krock |
tenplus1, you can also change the abm to an LBM to remove the flames all together |
| 15:38 |
tenplus1 |
the "Remove disabled fire" abm ? |
| 15:38 |
Krock |
yes |
| 15:38 |
tenplus1 |
sweet, lemmie test and update pull |
| 15:41 |
tenplus1 |
minetest.register_lbm({name = "fire:disable_fire", nodenames = {"fire:basic_flame"}, run_at_every_load = true, action = function(pos, node) minetest.swap_node(pos, {name = "air"}) end, }) |
| 15:41 |
tenplus1 |
hows that ? |
| 15:43 |
tenplus1 |
do I really need the run_at_every_load ? |
| 15:44 |
Krock |
I'm not quite sure how "name" and "label" differ but that's about right |
| 15:45 |
tenplus1 |
seems to work well, and quickly |
| 15:48 |
tenplus1 |
pull updated :) |
| 15:53 |
tenplus1 |
thanks Krock :P |
| 15:54 |
Mr-Pardison |
could this be turned into a CSM or sued as one? https://github.com/askotos/hotbar |
| 15:54 |
Mr-Pardison |
*used |
| 15:56 |
tenplus1 |
seen that earlier, looked interesting |
| 15:56 |
tenplus1 |
if mt had levels for mining, buildling, farming etc. we could change hotbar for easy access to more items the more they level up :D |
| 15:56 |
Mr-Pardison |
that would be nice. |
| 15:57 |
Krock |
going to sue that piece of code now |
| 15:57 |
tenplus1 |
what piece ? |
| 15:57 |
Krock |
link above. |
| 15:57 |
tenplus1 |
lol, how come ? |
| 15:57 |
Mr-Pardison |
I typed in "sued" instead of "used" |
| 15:57 |
tenplus1 |
ahahahaha |
| 15:58 |
tenplus1 |
seems paramat is on board with new fire changes :) |
| 15:58 |
Krock |
Mr-Pardison, yes. CSM already supports adding HUDs, so it's definitely possible to add more slots |
| 15:59 |
tenplus1 |
thing is, without a scroll wheel or touch screen you can only really use 1 to 0 to select item, so 10 slots max |
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Krock |
tbh I never needed more than ~6 slots |
| 16:01 |
tenplus1 |
yeah, it's easy enough to move things around... but... for levelling up some might find it handy |
| 16:02 |
Mr-Pardison |
or for a large building project in creative where you use a lot of items. for it. |
| 16:02 |
tenplus1 |
true |
| 16:06 |
tenplus1 |
ooh, mtg copied stairs redo in crafting stairs back into blocks :) niiiiiice |
| 16:09 |
rdococ |
can microblocks from the circular saw mod(s) be placed? |
| 16:10 |
tenplus1 |
yeh |
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tenplus1 |
o/ paramat |
| 16:12 |
tenplus1 |
how handy would it be to have: minetest.set_node(pos, {name = node, param2 = p2, metadata = mymeta}) |
| 16:22 |
rubenwardy |
not setting a node though |
| 16:23 |
rubenwardy |
a node and metadata :) |
| 16:23 |
sofar |
while you're at that, also add nodetimer to that table |
| 16:23 |
tenplus1 |
kinda like how we can now add an entity WITH metadata in 1 command |
| 16:23 |
tenplus1 |
hi sofar |
| 16:27 |
tenplus1 |
would be handy to set/swap/place a node with additional information set already |
| 16:27 |
tenplus1 |
but then again, after_place is there for a reason I suppose |
| 16:28 |
tenplus1 |
e.g. minetest.set_node(pos, {name = "default:sign_wall", metadata = { {"sign:text", "hello joe"} }) |
| 16:33 |
tenplus1 |
laters all o/// |
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Fixer |
CHAPA |
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Calinou |
hi :) |
| 17:33 |
Calinou |
<Mr-Pardison> I typed in "sued" instead of "used" |
| 17:33 |
Calinou |
that happens to me sometimes |
| 17:37 |
Krock |
hello Calinou :) |
| 17:38 |
Mr-Pardison |
hai Calinou |
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rdococ |
I feel warm and dehydrated |
| 19:04 |
Fixer |
goto hydrate |
| 19:05 |
* rud0lf |
sprinkles rdococ with fizzy water |
| 19:06 |
rud0lf |
cold, too |
| 19:07 |
rdococ |
Fixer: I do not have a goto construct in my system and I didn't call/cc to get a hydration continuation there |
| 19:07 |
rdococ |
I do have a subroutine called getDrink, though, so I will try calling that. |
| 19:07 |
rdococ |
ERROR: NO DRINK SPECIFIED. |
| 19:08 |
rdococ |
Hm, looking at the rdococ source code it does indeed require an argument of type Liquid |
| 19:08 |
Mr-Pardison |
try corium. |
| 19:09 |
rdococ |
I don't like the taste of corium, so I went for some lava |
| 19:09 |
rdococ |
Earlier today, I saw some river lava, it was weird |
| 19:12 |
rdococ |
Krock is quackers |
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rdococ |
My internet loves dropping out sometimes |
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rdococ |
If the team allocation algorithm in CTF had access to how many matches a player has played, an algorithm that would fairly sort players into teams of equal ability would be easy to implement |
| 21:27 |
rdococ |
Well, easier. |
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Fixer |
THE FINEST |
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aerozoic |
Why does the profiler disable armor???? -_- |
| 22:21 |
ircSparky |
would having a table with 200+ position tables be harsh on RAM? |
| 22:25 |
rdococ |
ircSparky: what would you need to store that many positions for? o_O |
| 22:28 |
ircSparky |
I have loot spawners that spawn items in the same way that mobs spawners spawn mobs. I want to see if I can make stuff spawn without a player having to be within ABM range, by going through a big list of spawner positions and doing code there instead of in an ABM |
| 22:28 |
ircSparky |
using node timers too |
| 22:29 |
ircSparky |
hm, I guess i don't really need a table, if i just dump it all in a file |
| 22:29 |
ircSparky |
but I guess then the question is would having that many node timers be heavy on the server? |
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Mr_Pardison |
\o benrob0329 |
| 22:31 |
rdococ |
ircSparky: Can't you use ABM catch_up? |
| 22:31 |
ircSparky |
oooh whats that? |
| 22:32 |
rdococ |
If true, the chance value (1/actual chance) is temporarily reduced when returning to an area to simulate time lost by the area being unattended. |
| 22:32 |
benrob0329 |
Hello Mr_Pardison |
| 22:33 |
rdococ |
E.G. if all players leaves the ABM range of a loot spawner for a period of time, and then some of them re-enter the range later, the ABM will be performed more often (higher chance of it occuring for each node that was unloaded) so as to compensate for it |
| 22:34 |
Shara |
rdococ: yes, and if people were gone for days, it can then trigger some insane number of times |
| 22:34 |
Shara |
I remember when a certain mod had that set up for mushroom growth in caves... |
| 22:34 |
Shara |
The second time I went there, literally every node in the cave suddenly had a mushroom on it :D |
| 22:35 |
rdococ |
Sounds like it needs a system for removing mushrooms when they grow too old |
| 22:35 |
ircSparky |
cool, is there any way to control it better? |
| 22:35 |
Shara |
Check for whatever it's producing and set an upper limit of some kind? |
| 22:35 |
Mr_Pardison |
can you set a limit on the number of times it triggers? |
| 22:36 |
ircSparky |
probably could make one |
| 22:37 |
ircSparky |
the main issue would be that, normally, the items would despawn after 15 or so minutes |
| 22:37 |
ircSparky |
and if it dosnt account for that |
| 22:37 |
ircSparky |
player's would be swimming in loot |
| 22:38 |
* Mr_Pardison |
dives in and plucks out the good stuff |
| 22:39 |
paramat |
200 positions in a table is very little in terms of RAM |
| 22:39 |
paramat |
200 node timers is lightweight too. ABMs are intensive |
| 22:42 |
ircSparky |
ok |
| 22:43 |
ircSparky |
why arm abms so intensive? its going through the active blocks anyways isnt it? |
| 22:43 |
paramat |
all the searching every few seconds |
| 22:47 |
paramat |
active block radius is now 3 blocks, so each search is almost a million nodes searched |
| 22:48 |
paramat |
.. for each player |
| 22:49 |
Mr_Pardison |
O.o |
| 22:49 |
ircSparky |
well, wouldnt one ABM be as heavy as 30? |
| 22:50 |
ircSparky |
or dosnt it work that way? |
| 22:51 |
ircSparky |
I guess for every abm you add its another block it has to sort between |
| 22:51 |
ircSparky |
even if its searching the same amount of nodes |
| 22:54 |
paramat |
i doubt the ABMs actually share search info |
| 22:54 |
paramat |
apparently they are very unoptimised |
| 22:55 |
paramat |
luckily we have managed to remove many from MTG, some were a nightmare |
| 22:55 |
sofar |
30 abms is 30 times more work for the engine |
| 22:56 |
ircSparky |
ok |
| 22:57 |
ircSparky |
to be clear, for it would search the same nodes 30 times? |
| 22:57 |
ircSparky |
disregard that "for" :P |
| 23:00 |
paramat |
yes i think so |
| 23:01 |
paramat |
which is silly if so |
| 23:14 |
ircSparky |
yea |
| 23:15 |
ircSparky |
definetly would explain why they are intensive |
| 23:15 |
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| 23:36 |
rdococ |
ircSparky: if you don't mind the lag of having tons of mapblocks loaded depending on how many loot spawners exist in your world, I guess you could just keep them loaded |
| 23:38 |
ircSparky |
yea, maybe for singleplayer |
