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00:27 sofar # journalctl --since=today |grep 42.7.26.61|wc -l
00:27 sofar 25554
00:27 sofar effin hell
00:28 rubenwardy what's journalctl?
00:29 * sofar smacks rubenwardy out of the pleistocene into the systemd age
00:29 rubenwardy I use systemd services
00:29 sofar man systemd-journald; man journalctl
00:29 rubenwardy just did
00:29 rubenwardy thank you for the help
00:29 rubenwardy so kind
00:29 rubenwardy :)
00:29 sofar lol
00:30 sofar I'm an rtfm kind of guy, sorry
00:32 sofar afk
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02:04 rubenwardy does anyone know why I had to change the RPATH of an executable to use libs from /usr/local/lib?
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02:33 rubenwardy argh
02:34 rubenwardy so it looks like I'm now building MinGW from scratch
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03:40 BakerPrime AFK, BBT
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03:49 BakerPrime I'm gonna AFK on the server overnight, to run my machines
03:49 BakerPrime oops
03:49 BakerPrime Wrong channel
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07:44 rdococ Installing Minetest's dependencies, yay
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07:48 rdococ Hi Krock.
07:48 rdococ I'm installing Minetest again.
07:49 Krock o/
07:50 rdococ Deciding which directory to install it in...
07:53 rdococ maybe a folder ~/minetest containing different versions e.g. ~/minetest/master or ~/minetest/backport-0.4
08:08 rdococ O_O
08:08 rdococ MINETEST IS SO SMOOTH!!! IT'S NOT STRUGGLING!
08:08 rdococ Well, it's struggling a little but it can actually consistently achieve >30
08:08 rdococ Actually, it's a steady 50
08:09 rdococ Or 30, it changes a lot
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09:17 rdococ Hi Fixer
09:18 Fixer hi
09:43 rdococ rubenwardy: Doesn't look like gold has much use in CTF. Maybe add an enchanting system using it?
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10:07 tenplus1 hi folks
10:17 rdococ Helloyays
10:20 tenplus1 hi rdococ
10:22 tenplus1 saw the foru post from byakuren
10:22 tenplus1 *forum
10:25 * rdococ yays
10:27 tenplus1 monoids plays a good part in mod effects, but we need a base mod to handle said effects properly for monoids to use
10:38 rdococ monoids is super cool
10:40 tenplus1 agreed
10:43 rdococ I will yay
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11:01 tenplus1 hey Krock
11:02 Krock hi tenplus1
11:02 * tenplus1 just found a funny bug in lucky blocks :D
11:04 tenplus1 if player gets lightning block any mods around them get hurt also, but since lightning does a punch using same entity id they end up killing themselves :D
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11:05 tenplus1 hi Jordach
11:05 Jordach meow
11:05 tenplus1 ={o.o}=
11:12 Krock tenplus1, yes, I also noticed that on Ihr's server, where the server said "Stop hitting yourself" :D
11:13 tenplus1 that's a lucky block that caused player damage only :)
11:17 tenplus1 my fav. is the dry bush attack, replaces all of your inventory slots with dry grass after dropping all your items on the floor :D
11:23 tenplus1 when doing math.random() does it generate a random number based on the current time ?
11:30 Jordach apparently
11:31 tenplus1 ahh, if I put math.randomseed(os.time()) before it then it'll truly be random :D
11:31 Jordach http://lua-users.org/wiki/MathLibraryTutorial
11:32 Jordach there are a few caveats to doing that
11:32 tenplus1 yeah ?
11:33 Jordach for SP i just leave a small minetest.after constantly updating the seed with os.time in unix epoch divided by 4 then squared
11:34 Jordach it most certainly prevents any situation where gaming math.random
11:34 tenplus1 I wanted to make sure when choosing a lucky block from the list that it was truly random
11:35 tenplus1 it kinda felt like some ppl were getting the same kinds over and over
11:35 rubenwardy It'll never be truly random without quantum mechanicd
11:35 rubenwardy And getting the same thing over and over is normal
11:35 rubenwardy Random doesn't mean it'll be evenly distributed for small sample sizes
11:36 tenplus1 so sticking to a simple math.random(number) is fine ?
11:37 Jordach on BSD such as macOS it's worse
11:38 Jordach http://lua-users.org/lists/lua-l/2007-03/msg00564.html
11:39 tenplus1 erk, so skip the randomseed if it has issue
11:40 Jordach it's not randomseed with the issues
11:40 Jordach math.random is deterministic
11:41 Jordach the original elite for C64 that has to fit in 64k abused the fact that random numbers from a 0 entropy machine will always be deterministic
11:41 Jordach this also applies to every random number generator
11:41 Jordach it's why generating ssh keys want you to move your mouse
11:44 tenplus1 interesting
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12:13 tenplus1 hi aerozoic, wb NathanS21
12:13 aerozoic hola tenplus1
12:13 NathanS21 hi tenplus1
12:14 aerozoic anybody changing the world today?
12:14 NathanS21 weathers too sloppy for that, hopefully I can start landscaping soon though. :)
12:14 aerozoic XD
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12:15 NathanS21 That's about as close to any world changing as I'll ever do.
12:15 IhrFussel If I only allow A-Za-z0-9_- as name for the profile, can I safely put my profile page back online?
12:16 IhrFussel rubenwardy ^
12:17 rubenwardy You should do that and also use php's file reading API
12:17 tenplus1 o/ fussel
12:17 IhrFussel rubenwardy, but the profiles are in a directory outside of /var/www which PHP cannot access AFAIK
12:18 rdococ Weird
12:18 rdococ Sometimes when I click 'exit to menu' the game exits completely
12:19 IhrFussel rdococ, I recently restarted my server and instead of showing me the "server shutting down" error, everything froze and the whole game closed (assuming segfault happened)
12:20 tenplus1 what build ?
12:20 lisac rubenwardy: just checked out the content library, it seems text doesn't split to new line
12:20 lisac hey tenplus1
12:20 tenplus1 hi lisac
12:20 rubenwardy Formspecs suck
12:20 IhrFussel tenplus1, server is 0.4.17 and client 0.4.16
12:21 lisac https://imgur.com/vtFQjKn
12:21 rdococ IhrFussel: 0.5.0 just quit on me when I was trying to exit to the main menu
12:21 rdococ the terminal logs are weird
12:22 rdococ and it wasn't a segfault either
12:22 lisac and also this https://imgur.com/fw8evPi
12:22 rdococ the last line was "7feda8494000-7feda8495000 r--pAborted (core dumped)"
12:22 rdococ is it to do with a recent commit?
12:25 Krock lisac, these text issues were already reported. Read-only textareas solve the first one
12:26 lisac that's the latest build
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12:26 lisac as in, just pulled and compiled
12:26 Krock ikr
12:26 Mr_Pardison \o
12:26 Krock hi Mr_Pardison
12:27 tenplus1 hi mister
12:27 Mr_Pardison morning.
12:28 rdococ https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/7BWmKXSSPD/
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12:28 rdococ Sometimes when I exit to menu from a recent (I think latest) Minetest build I get that and it crashes (just exits completely)
12:31 tenplus1 hi Jordach
12:32 * Jordach shuts laptop lid
12:38 * rdococ turns Jordach into a laptop lid
12:39 tenplus1 :P
12:52 rdococ Hm, in YouKnowWhat you can rename items and tools with an anvil (you know, because everything we dare give a label to must be laid onto some big chunk of iron)
12:53 tenplus1 havnig an anvil would be nice
12:54 tenplus1 especially for fixing tools with their core metal.ore
12:54 rdococ although the fact that anvils fall in YKW is pretty funny
12:54 tenplus1 cartoon comedy :P
12:54 rdococ tenplus1: maybe an anvil could be like a furnace, requiring fuel + material to repair tools seeing as you need to heat metal to make it malleable
12:55 tenplus1 maybe only repairing tools IF a furnace is beside it containing fuel ?
12:55 rdococ although tbh merely crafting iron+ tools should require fuel and some time, seeing as you can't just bash three ingots together and make a pickaxe head
12:56 tenplus1 a tool forge would be nice
12:56 rdococ tenplus1: ooh, interesting idea
12:56 Mr-Pardison technic has an alloying furnace and a tool workshop (both MV iirc)
12:57 tenplus1 aww, they closed mah pull: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/5293
12:57 Mr-Pardison :/
12:57 rdococ Ooh, IcyDiamond could add technic support to melterns so you can have technological tiers - technic metal casters and melters would require energy but be faster and be able to melt certain metlas that the normal ones can't
12:57 rdococ s/metlas/metals/
12:58 tenplus1 could use clay to make a prcelain forge you fill with lava that can cast tools :D
12:58 Mr-Pardison what about grinding rarium or unobtanium (from xtraores iirc)?
12:58 Mr-Pardison ooohh... lava :)
12:59 rdococ I think damage from falling nodes should increase linearly with velocity
13:00 Jordach modname:falling_node_name
13:00 Jordach as the damage name
13:00 Jordach (see on_dieplayer or on_damage)
13:00 rdococ oh yea, damage and death reasons
13:01 rdococ cartoonish:falling_node_anvil
13:01 * Mr-Pardison drops an anvil on rdococ
13:01 * rdococ watches Mr-Pardison drop the anvil from directly above rdococ's head, dealing half a heart
13:02 Jordach thing is, tenplus1 the base tier of atvomat machines in SP are either fuelless or use coal
13:02 Mr-Pardison when one forgets an important param, something can (and probably will) go wrong.
13:02 Jordach there's a later upgrade for them to use a power network
13:04 tenplus1 you're right, falling nodes do need calculated damage depending on fall speed
13:04 Mr-Pardison and you're left with the need for a calculator.
13:04 rdococ and edible unicorns
13:05 Mr-Pardison why would you eat the unicorns?
13:05 tenplus1 rainbow goodness :P
13:05 Krock because of its taste?
13:05 Mr-Pardison IMO they are a great method of transportation.
13:05 Krock you can transport yourself faster if you eat unicorns
13:06 Mr-Pardison but if one is riding on the unicorn, wouldn't you have the same speed as when you ate one?
13:06 tenplus1 less weight so they go faster :D
13:08 tenplus1 might add a special item you can use on mob horses to turn them into flying unicorns
13:08 rdococ I once ate an ender pearl and entered my own stomach
13:08 tenplus1 messy visit
13:20 tenplus1 btw teleport potions work in the same way as ender pearls :D
13:23 rdococ You throw them?
13:23 rdococ teleport splash potions!
13:23 rdococ you create one with a piece of your DNA, and it makes a splash potion that teleports you when it hits the ground
13:23 rdococ then if you give it to someone else and they throw it, it teleports you instead!
13:23 tenplus1 yep...  you can place for a 10 second window once coords set, or throw for short-distance jumps...  or craft into pads for permanent teleportation
13:23 Mr-Pardison if they exploded near players, have them randomly teleported somewhere.
13:24 tenplus1 good idea, could make a tp bomb to do just that :D
13:25 rdococ I created a mod which modifies the builtin falling node entity to damage you based on its velocity when you are directly under it, so people that want the functionality can use the mod and people that don't can just not use the mod
13:25 tenplus1 kewl rdococ, add a pull to get that into the game :)
13:25 tenplus1 I already use the pull I uplaoded on Xanadu and players like it for mob traps etc
13:26 rdococ tenplus1: it's a Lua mod though, it's not meant to be in the engine or in builtin :P
13:26 tenplus1 you got a link ?
13:26 rdococ although it wouldn't be too difficult to modify to put it in the builtin
13:26 rdococ I haven't pushed it to github yet
13:26 rdococ I haven't reinstalled git yet, lol
13:27 tenplus1 ehehe
13:27 Mr-Pardison I'd love to make that not only for a mob trap but also for a player trap :D
13:27 rdococ nevermind, it came pre-installed
13:27 tenplus1 so when desert sand falls on players exploring below it hurts, and playerplus will also have if suffocate them if trapped inside
13:27 rdococ tenplus1: at the moment it works for all nodes (falling sand nodes will hurt you for example)
13:29 tenplus1 anvils should do the most damage if falling
13:30 rdococ you could send the velocity of the falling node to fall_hurt_check so it can calculate the damage
13:31 rdococ Minetest 0.5.0 just crashed on me again
13:31 rdococ Something weird is going on
13:31 tenplus1 the [falling_node_damage} group in my code could use it to deal full damage depending on vel... good idea
13:32 rdococ Also, when I died from testing falling node damage I didn't get teleported back to the home I set
13:33 tenplus1 did you sleep in a bed to set spawnpoint ?
13:34 rdococ I used /sethome
13:34 tenplus1 hrm, wonder what's going on with 0.5x that's got glitchesl ike this
13:35 rdococ Actually, home doesn't seem to be working, I spawn randomly between the two islands I'm testing on
13:35 tenplus1 crap
13:35 rdococ also, a shorter name for "falling_node_damage" could be "crush_damage"
13:36 rubenwardy IhrFussel: there's a reason PHP doesn't like you reading outside of var/www, and that's because it's a massive security issue with poorly written code
13:36 rubenwardy Either write the files to /var/www or change the php config to allow access to the data's folder
13:36 tenplus1 rdococ: we settled on falling_node_damage since falling_node is similar and they tie together
13:37 rdococ true
13:45 IhrFussel rubenwardy, I changed all shell_exec() to file_get_contents() and only allow A-Za-z0-9_- now ... I don't think there is any way for an exploit anymore
13:45 rubenwardy nice
13:45 rdococ and Minetest crashed again
13:45 rubenwardy do you use any SQL anywhere? Do you have sandboxing on in Minetest?
13:46 IhrFussel But there would still be one if . and / were allowed...then website visitors could potentially leave the hard coded directory by typing "/../../etc"
13:47 rubenwardy yeah, definitely avoid that
13:47 IhrFussel I use sqlite for the website's chat, but there are no senstive infos stored really (worst that can happen is access to PMs)
13:48 Krock HTML tags are already sanitized.. too bad :(
13:48 rubenwardy lol
13:49 rubenwardy yeah, don't do XSS
13:53 rdococ ew, xss
13:54 Krock yay NoScript
13:55 rdococ yay kittens
13:56 Fixer Noscript ftw, fuck JSmonkey, waiting for big Nuclear to erase this shit out of existance along with js-monkeys
13:57 Jordach World Ending Asteroid for 2020
13:57 Mr-Pardison Jordach: not an asteroid that will do that.
13:57 Mr-Pardison it's a tweet.
13:58 Jordach i'm with Fixer
13:58 Krock it's flash
13:58 Jordach fuck JS
13:59 tenplus1 so many bloated sites
13:59 Fixer flash is dead
14:05 Jordach yep, praise the damn iPhone for it
14:05 rubenwardy so are Weblets
14:05 rubenwardy Long live HTML5!
14:05 rubenwardy https://physics.rubenwardy.com  was made because weblets suck
14:05 rdococ Noscript has yayed
14:06 Jordach rubenwardy: if it weren't for apple pushing it in 2008 with the iPhone we would still be using flash and java
14:06 tenplus1 flash usage has dropped from 29% in 2009 to 5% now
14:07 Jordach rubenwardy: your site works perfectly in safari
14:07 rubenwardy wooo
14:08 rubenwardy need to redesign the home page for that
14:08 CWz does it work in midori
14:08 rubenwardy include some fancy preview images
14:08 rubenwardy I use standard HTML5/JS, so hopefully
14:08 rubenwardy "standard"
14:08 CWz so no ie7/8
14:09 tenplus1 *shudder*
14:10 rdococ What is FSAA in the settings?
14:10 Jordach anti aliasin
14:10 Jordach aka, smoothed edges of blocks and everything instead of sharp edges
14:11 Fixer FSAA aka AA
14:11 Fixer also AF/AA was dream in 90s-2000s
14:11 Fixer maybe a little AF 2x
14:11 Fixer but no more
14:12 rdococ FSAA doesn't seem to be doing anything for me
14:19 rdococ hm
14:19 rdococ It'd be yay to set my FOV to 90
14:20 rdococ actually I'd like to see what 120 looks like
14:24 Jordach :thonk:
14:24 * rdococ looks up the meaning of thonking
14:24 Krock like :think: but with a string distance of 1 replacement char
14:25 rdococ how many dimensions is string space
14:26 rdococ clearly the string distance between a string, and a string with one letter removed or added is 1
14:26 rdococ what is the string distance between a string e.g. "think" and a string with a letter replaced by another e.g. "thonk"?
14:27 rdococ one character replacement = one character removal + one character addition
14:27 rdococ e.g. "think" can be transformed into "thonk" either by replacing the "i" with an "o", or by removing the "i" and adding an "o" in the middle
14:27 Krock rdococ, Levenshtein distance weight a replacement as 1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levenshtein_distance
14:27 rdococ ah
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14:29 * rdococ pushes Krock two Levenshtein distance units, causing him to turn into Clock
14:29 * rdococ tells the time with Clock
14:36 rdococ I'm working on a mod that adds a weird line compass GUI
14:37 rdococ it adds a "compass" to the HUD that tells you which direction you're facing so you don't have to look at the debug info
14:37 Krock call it Yet Another Compass Mod
14:38 tenplus1 lol
14:41 rdococ who needs compasses when you have coordinates :P
14:42 tenplus1 who needs coordinates when you have landmarks
14:42 rdococ who needs landmarks when you have compasses
14:42 tenplus1 :P
14:42 ThomasMonroe :mind blown: circular reasoning
14:42 tenplus1 o/ thomas
14:43 rdococ spherical reasoning
14:43 Jordach doughnut reasoning
14:43 Mr-Pardison string theory reasoning.
14:43 ThomasMonroe klien reasoning
14:43 rdococ klein bottle reasoning
14:43 ThomasMonroe XD
14:43 rdococ mobius strip reasoning
14:44 ThomasMonroe tesseract reasoning
14:45 rdococ square reasoning
14:48 rdococ lol
14:48 tenplus1 youtube knows exactly what videos I watch online yet still fail to suggest anything I'd actually watch on my front page o.O
14:48 rdococ Some circular reasoning is pretty bad, but what really angers me is when people act like something is circular reasoning when it isn't
14:49 rdococ and I can tell because there's a flaw in the attempt to accuse the reasoning of being circular
14:49 rdococ I saw one image that suggested that some people think evidence isn't evidence, which confused me
14:49 Mr-Pardison they lack the evidence to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the reasoning is circular.
14:50 rdococ lol
14:50 rdococ you can tell if reasoning is circular just by looking at the reasoning itself, the context doesn't exactly matter as long as the conclusion is assumed in the premise
15:03 rubenwardy tenplus1: pretty sure monoids is supposed to be the base mod
15:03 tenplus1 only if things support it, but what I am hoping is that we get a base mod included in default
15:03 tenplus1 that way all the mods can use it without having to add support
15:04 tenplus1 like I mentioned before 3d_armor can override monoids easily
15:04 rubenwardy can do the same to your mod
15:05 tenplus1 huh ?
15:05 rubenwardy Biggest problem with monoids is it has monoids in its name
15:05 tenplus1 lol
15:06 rubenwardy If you put that in its name, no one will use it
15:06 tenplus1 if we include some sort of override setup in player mod and have modders use it for everyhitng it would be great
15:08 rdococ the player_monoids mod can do everything that physicsh and pova can do, and more
15:09 rdococ it should be used more often
15:09 tenplus1 it's a good mod that should use a base mod to apply effects
15:10 rdococ why though?
15:11 tenplus1 personally it can be a pain to use, but that's just me :P
15:12 tenplus1 custom functions etc. should be handled by the mod itself, no probs there, but base settings and control of overrides in default
15:15 tenplus1 lol fixer...  wait until w10 spring creator update is out... will have many more issues
15:17 rdococ Windows 10 Minecraft Exclusivity Updateâ„¢: Minetest suddenly gains a lot of popularity from former Linux Minecraft playersâ„¢
15:17 tenplus1 just sad that you need 2gb more memory to run it on top of winblows
15:18 rdococ I have USB flash drives but I don't know what to do with themâ„¢
15:18 tenplus1 I have 1 suggestion :P
15:19 rdococ I don't think xfce realizes I have a battery
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15:20 tenplus1 wb mister
15:21 tenplus1 rdococ: put this on one of your flashdrives: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current/HEADER.html
15:21 rdococ you want me to try out xubuntu?
15:21 Krock the stable is now definitely out now?
15:21 rdococ the stable for what?
15:22 tenplus1 this is final beta for the LTS release, final release date is 4 days but not much will change now
15:22 Krock s/stable/LTS/
15:22 tenplus1 6 year support
15:22 rdococ how about you remind me in 4 days :P
15:22 tenplus1 sorry, 5 years
15:23 Mr_Pardison remind rdococ in 5 years?
15:23 Mr_Pardison wow.
15:23 tenplus1 lol, the daily will work perfectly fine :) and if anything changes within the 4 days it'll upadte for ya
15:23 rdococ lol
15:23 rdococ Sure, I can try it out
15:23 IhrFussel tenplus1, 5 years is only for Ubuntu, Xubuntu has 3 years support but still a lot
15:24 tenplus1 battery monitor now recognises my APC ups, and I like the do not disturb switch for popups
15:24 rdococ what is the difference between ubuntu and xubuntu?
15:24 IhrFussel The default DE
15:24 Krock and WM
15:24 rdococ ah
15:24 tenplus1 fussel, 5 years for ubuntu base which xubuntu is built on... all teh security and kernel and drivers
15:24 tenplus1 3 years for xfce basically but that's always in dev
15:25 IhrFussel tenplus1, https://xubuntu.org/release/18-04/
15:25 tenplus1 :) still 5 years for base which is important
15:26 IhrFussel 3 years is a lot already...most people upgrade sooner to a new OS version if it exists
15:26 tenplus1 and within 2 years you'll have another LTS release anyway :D
15:26 tenplus1 yeah exactly fussel
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15:27 rdococ Hm, 1.3 GB
15:27 tenplus1 hi icy
15:27 IhrFussel And there is (usually) no data loss since you can just upgrade your current system..no need to make a fresh install
15:27 rdococ My internet connection is pretty slow so a 1.3 GB file takes ~15-20 minutes
15:27 IcyDiamond Switched VPS provider
15:27 IcyDiamond Well, still working on it :P
15:27 tenplus1 has v6.02 of libreoffice which is good also
15:28 rdococ I also can't watch Youtube videos of Minetest gameplay while the download is ongoing because then download speed slows down to a crawl
15:28 tenplus1 heh
15:31 rdococ what kernel version is xubuntu based on?
15:31 IhrFussel 18.04 will be 4.15
15:31 IhrFussel 16.04 is 4.0
15:31 tenplus1 4.15.0-15
15:32 rdococ what about its daily build?
15:32 rdococ (today)
15:32 tenplus1 that is daily build ... I'm running it now :D
15:32 IhrFussel Should be 4.15 already since release is only a few days away
15:32 rdococ ah
15:32 tenplus1 and you can go to ubuntu's own kernel page and get 4.16 stable or 4.17 rc1
15:32 rdococ it's taking so long
15:33 IhrFussel Make sure that your CPU supports PAE (most CPUs since 2005 should)
15:33 rdococ PAE?
15:34 tenplus1 pae is for the 32-bit edition to use more than 3.5gb memory... if you use 64-bit it's not necessary
15:34 IhrFussel Xubuntu page states PAE is required
15:34 IhrFussel rdococ, cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep pae
15:34 tenplus1 checking
15:34 IhrFussel https://xubuntu.org/requirements/
15:35 tenplus1 31down voteacceptedPAE stands for P-hysical A-ddress E-xtension to access 4 GiB RAM on 32-bit systems. This is not needed for a 64-bit Ubuntu.
15:36 IhrFussel "Your processor needs to support PAE in order to run Xubuntu."
15:36 tenplus1 yeah if you are using 32-bit version only
15:36 IhrFussel It doesn't say 32-bit anywhere
15:36 tenplus1 if it's 64-bit you're after it's ok
15:36 tenplus1 that's what PAE is fussel, as I posted above
15:37 rdococ I use 64-yay
15:37 tenplus1 :) same
15:37 rdococ and IPv8
15:37 tenplus1 lol
15:38 rdococ because I don't use 128-bit yet I decided to get a computer with PAE-64 on it so it could access more RAMâ„¢
15:38 IhrFussel I'm asking #xubuntu ... maybe they require that CPU flag for something system related
15:39 * rdococ turns into a flag
15:39 sfan5 then they forgot to state that, pae is not needed on 64-bit
15:39 sfan5 in fact it makes zero sense on a 64-bit cpu
15:39 tenplus1 :) yeh... also hi sfan
15:40 * Mr_Pardison takes the flag and zooms away while being pursued by the other team trying to kill him and return the flag
15:40 tenplus1 CTF game active
15:40 IhrFussel Why is it even required then if it's only there to support more than 3.5 GB RAM? If my system is 32-bit and only got 1 or 2 GB RAM it shouldn't be required either
15:40 IhrFussel So poorly written?
15:41 tenplus1 some 32-bit systems with pae can access mroe than 4gb but at a speed penalty
15:42 sfan5 it's not required
15:42 sfan5 but none of that matter as you shouldn't be using a 32-bit CPU in 2018
15:43 Mr_Pardison well, what if you have an old laptop?
15:43 IhrFussel sfan5, but the xubuntu team wrote it down that way and I wonder how such an error can happen
15:43 Krock rdococ, I can't imagine the day where 64 bit aren't enough to address memory..
15:43 sfan5 IhrFussel: instead of spelling out the very specific conditions in which PAE is not not needed they opted to say "PAE is required"
15:44 rdococ Krock: I'm from 3 years in the future, it's surprising how much RAM you need to simulate universes
15:44 IhrFussel They could at least have added "if you use 32-bit version"
15:44 rdococ we even had to make some compromises, such as never precisely keeping track of the position and momentum of any particle at the same time
15:45 IhrFussel Which would still be wrong since 32-bit should still work without PAE when theres < 3.5 GB RAM but it would confuse less people
15:46 rdococ I have 3.3 GiB of RAMâ„¢
15:46 rdococ I need more ramsâ„¢
15:46 tenplus1 they did mention they would drop 32-bit support, but the fact that xubuntu still has 32-bit PAE is a good thing
15:47 * tenplus1 has 4gb (512mb for nvidia ion.2 mobile gfx)
15:47 rdococ ew, 32-bit
15:47 rubenwardy > 2018
15:47 rubenwardy > using 32-bit
15:47 rubenwardy ew
15:47 Jordach even my MBA is 64bit
15:48 Mr_Pardison I've got a 32-bit laptop.
15:48 tenplus1 then Xubuntu/Lubuntu will work on it :D
15:48 Mr_Pardison I've been meaning to upgrade to a newer one that is 64 bit but currently I can't afford to.
15:49 tenplus1 ebuyer.com has a 14" hd ready laptop for 110 with quad core and ips screen
15:51 Krock rubenwardy, something something using old but working hardware for good instead of throwing away
15:53 Mr_Pardison exactly.
15:53 Mr_Pardison if it still works, why chuck it?
15:53 IhrFussel Don't almost all smartphones still run with 32-bit?
15:55 Jordach no
15:55 rubenwardy not on iOS - you can't have 32bit apps on the store at all
15:55 Jordach android mostly is now 64bit from android 6
15:55 Jordach the major chunk of 32bit android is dominated by cheap chinese 32bit tablets running kitkat
15:57 Jordach (and are also woefully malware prone and already have it likely shipped out of the factory)
15:57 IhrFussel There are much more phones than just the usual flagship ones by Samsung, Huawei, LG etc ... there are thousands of models, not all "cheap Chinese" ones
15:58 IhrFussel The majority definitely still uses 32-bit CPUs
15:58 tenplus1 I still have a CompaqM2000 32-bit with 1gb memory and Intel gfx that works fine with linux :D
15:58 IhrFussel iPhone has market share of ~ 15% AFAIK
15:58 Jordach inb4 linux 5.0 phases out 32bit
15:59 Jordach then again, apple devices generally after a few years get jailbroken so the fun ride never ends
16:00 tenplus1 sucks having a closed system... jailbreak all da way
16:00 tenplus1 and w10 core will go the same way
16:01 Jordach tenplus1: i mean, i don't generally need much more than a few specific apps
16:01 tenplus1 if they are available in app store... what if they get removed, how would you get it on if no 3rd party apps
16:02 Jordach unlikely lmao
16:02 tenplus1 never say never :P
16:02 Jordach i don't play MT on a phone anyways
16:02 Jordach i'd either use a laptop with a mouse or a desktop
16:02 tenplus1 +1million
16:03 Jordach #neverMTmobile
16:03 Mr_Pardison survival, never when PvP is a common thing.
16:03 Mr_Pardison but the chat thing is the wurst since you can't scroll to see if you missed something.
16:03 Jordach mmm
16:03 Jordach speaking of which
16:04 Jordach when anarchy is in effect, people are generally well mannered
16:04 Jordach since a can kill b with the same weapons in reverse
16:04 Jordach rules just slow down the experience a big
16:04 Jordach bit
16:04 tenplus1 o.O
16:05 rdococ I restarted and it booted into mint, hmm
16:05 Jordach mint never handed me a complimentary set of tic tacs
16:05 rdococ Jordach never did either
16:05 tenplus1 mmm, tic tacs
16:05 Jordach oh you
16:08 Jordach tenplus1: 27C here and i've got a nice fan on my desk
16:08 tenplus1 nice... 16c here so far
16:08 Jordach reeeeee
16:09 Jordach got some zz top playing while devving solar plains
16:09 Jordach much more chilled
16:09 tenplus1 a programming atmosphere :P
16:10 Krock 28°C here. Time for some heavy compiling and coin mining 8)
16:10 Jordach kek
16:10 tenplus1 coin mining :)
16:11 * Jordach is now tempted to add a chance for mining any ore to randomly drop a bitcoin in addition to it's normal drop
16:12 tenplus1 that'd bew fun
16:13 Jordach it's not like Intro II takes the piss out of a certain bluehole corporation
16:13 IhrFussel sfan5, it *is* required, they just confirmed that in #xubuntu
16:14 sfan5 on 64-bit?
16:14 IhrFussel You *need* PAE if you use 32-bit even when it has less than 3.5 GB RAM ... so badly coded?
16:14 rdococ I can't seem to boot into the xubuntu live cd
16:14 sfan5 I doubt that
16:14 sfan5 unless they for some reason disabled non-pae in the linux kernel
16:14 sfan5 which makes no sense at all
16:14 tenplus1 pae isnt needed for 64-bit...
16:15 rdococ When I restart, it boots into mint, and I'm pretty sure OS boot order is set to USB flash drive first
16:15 tenplus1 18.04 see's them remove 32-bit support for 18.04 but xubuntu/lubuntu is keeping it... xubuntu with pae and lubuntu without pae
16:15 rdococ should I try to burn the iso again?
16:15 IhrFussel "The 32bit kernel is compiled by default with Physical Address Extensions enabled, at some point in the past it was not"
16:16 IhrFussel Since 64bit CPUs don't have PAE, the author likely didn't bother specifying << that is wrong, my CPU has PAE and is 64-bit
16:18 sfan5 64-bit CPUs have PAE in 32-bit mode
16:18 tenplus1 :P
16:18 sfan5 it makes zero sense in 64-bit
16:19 IhrFussel My OS is 64-bit...I think /proc/cpuinfo just lists the total features of the CPU
16:21 * tenplus1 noms pizza
16:21 Jordach oo
16:32 Fixer *,,,,,,*
16:34 tenplus1 *shares le pizza [chicken korma]*
16:34 Jordach no
16:34 Jordach no u
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16:34 tenplus1 hi Darcidride
16:38 rdococ I can't seem to run the xubuntu live cd
16:39 tenplus1 how did you make it into a live usb ?
16:40 rdococ dd command
16:41 rdococ same thing I did with the mint live cd
16:41 tenplus1 strange, should work same way... unless image is corrupt
16:41 rdococ also, I can't seem to access boot settings when booting up mint
16:41 tenplus1 holding shift ?
16:42 rdococ good point
16:42 rdococ I'll compare the checksum
16:44 rdococ they match perfectly
16:44 rdococ well, I'm gonna try again but hold shift this tme
16:44 rdococ s/tme/time/
16:45 tenplus1 ddrescue can be used also
16:45 tenplus1 https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-create-a-bootable-ubuntu-18-04-bionic-usb-stick-on-linux
16:46 IcyDiamond gcc takes a while to compile
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16:53 tenplus1 wb
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16:54 tenplus1 o/
16:56 rdococ_ I am on the xubuntu live cd
16:56 tenplus1 w00t, it worked :D
16:56 tenplus1 what did you do different ?
16:56 rdococ_ Yay
16:56 rdococ_ Held shift during the boot
16:57 tenplus1 kewl :) glad it worked...  check out the "do not disturb" icon in top right :D
16:57 rdococ_ Kewl
16:58 rdococ_ ooh, kernel version is 4.15.0
16:58 tenplus1 yup :) you got latest, so if you're using amd/redeon graphics you get a boost
16:58 rdococ_ Another boost?
16:58 tenplus1 open terminal, do:   sudo apt-get install minetest
16:58 rdococ_ O_O
16:58 tenplus1 check it out see if it's faster
16:58 rdococ_ I already got a huge boost from 4.9.0 to 4.10.0
16:59 tenplus1 amd open-source gfx have come a loooooooong way in 4.15
16:59 rdococ_ Yay
16:59 rdococ_ I will definitely install xubuntu then
16:59 rdococ_ Wonder if I should dual-boot xubuntu and mint
16:59 tenplus1 try them both live for a day (that's what I do) and isntall your fav. :D
17:00 rdococ_ I already installed mint though
17:00 Mr-Pardison tenplus1: what's the node with the name "sandy" in ethereal?
17:00 tenplus1 hahahaha, kewl
17:00 tenplus1 ethereal:sandy is an ore sand that grows seaweed and coral on top of it when underwater :D
17:00 tenplus1 when dug it's default sand unless you use the crystal shovel to pick it up
17:00 Mr-Pardison oh.
17:01 Mr-Pardison I typically use a c-shovel whenever I'm digging.
17:01 Mr-Pardison thx.
17:01 Jordach :thonking:
17:01 tenplus1 has soft touch so you can pickup sandy, quicksand, dirt with grass on it and sometimes full pie/cakes
17:01 rdococ_ Looks like the installation process is the same
17:02 Mr-Pardison I like quicksand + gravel + water for a certain death trap (protected ofc)
17:02 tenplus1 mwhehehe...  kinad wish the disable_jump group worked in liquids tho and stopped you swimming up
17:02 tenplus1 would make it more lethal
17:02 rdococ_ Okay, poll: Should I dualboot Mint + Xubuntu or wipe Mint?
17:03 Mr-Pardison oh the trap works best when they are on a boat
17:03 tenplus1 your hdd is large enough to handle both :) why not
17:04 tenplus1 if you use the mushroom pore block it stops players jumping altogether and has no fall damage if you fall on it
17:04 rdococ_ tenplus1: my HDD is large enough to hold at least 4 distros at once
17:04 rdococ_ 250 GB per distro
17:05 tenplus1 that way you can test both for a while and settle on the one ya like more (or keep[ both)
17:05 rdococ_ I don't need several environments for day-to-day life but I guess I could test both for a while
17:05 tenplus1 cinnamon is a great desktop but a tad heavier on resources... which is why I like xfce better
17:06 rdococ_ Hmm, how should I divide the partition
17:06 rdococ_ maybe half and half?
17:06 tenplus1 keep it simple, yeah :D
17:06 Mr-Pardison I use pores at the bottom of a deep shaft to keep from dying.,
17:06 rdococ_ I'm going to give slightly more to xubuntu because why not
17:07 tenplus1 I have slimes on xanadu drop slimeballs that can be made into slime blocks which let you bounce with 90% efficiency
17:07 rdococ_ only ~3 more GB anyway... which is nearly my entire RAM, funnily enough
17:07 rdococ_ my HDD holds 1 TB but I only have 4 GB / 3.3 GiB of RAM
17:07 rdococ_ My laptop is a funny lil' thing
17:07 tenplus1 sounds like a good spec :P
17:08 rdococ_ I'd honestly prefer to sacrifice some HDD space for more RAM
17:08 rdococ_ 4 GB is barely any
17:08 tenplus1 I used 2gb for the longest time and only upgraded to 4gb in december :P
17:08 rdococ_ 2gb? O_O
17:08 tenplus1 my complete desktop only uses 140mb
17:08 rdococ_ I don't even think you can run Windows on 2gb
17:09 rdococ_ but then again, Windows is a RAMHog
17:09 * tenplus1 likes to optimize his linux install
17:09 rdococ_ do you mean RAM or disk space?
17:09 tenplus1 ram... 140mb ram sitting on a fully loaded IceWM desktop
17:10 tenplus1 I hate that windows10 sits at roughly 1.4gb just for the Os alone
17:10 Fixer windows + firefox on 2GB is ununsable piece of shiit
17:10 rdococ_ Yay, I will officially be dualbooting two Linux distros
17:10 Fixer i have proofs
17:10 tenplus1 w00t!
17:10 Fixer it is constant swap-shit
17:10 rdococ_ if nothing goes horribly wrong
17:10 tenplus1 lol, hopefully not :P
17:11 Fixer can;t shut that shit down literally, i have no idea why it goes into god damn swap when there is some free ram
17:11 Fixer it is annoying
17:11 Fixer it even sucks on 3GB ram
17:11 tenplus1 fixer, edit the /etc/sysctl.conf file and add this to the end:   vm.swappiness = 10
17:11 rdococ_ if it does I'll reboot the xubuntu live image and wipe everything and install xubuntu, so there's no way my laptop will crap out entirely, at least... wait, a message popped up while I was typing
17:11 tenplus1 it'll use available ram until last 10% and only then switch to swap
17:11 Fixer tenplus1: i was talking about Shindows 7
17:11 tenplus1 ohhhh... ahahaha
17:12 tenplus1 I usually turn swap off and apple a registry fix
17:12 Fixer linux probably has no such problem
17:12 Fixer but in windows it is ridiculous
17:12 tenplus1 windows sucketh
17:12 Fixer windows boot is ridiculously sloow too
17:12 Fixer many minutes
17:14 Fixer i've looked deep into it
17:14 Fixer very deep
17:14 Fixer too deep
17:14 Fixer the only way is probably to ditch that firefox crap
17:14 Fixer and windows itself
17:14 tenplus1 I agree, move to linux 100%
17:14 Fixer it is rage inducing
17:14 Fixer literally
17:15 tenplus1 I hate it when a client has w10 on their laptop/pc and the problems they are having is windows itself
17:15 Fixer every time i sit to that 3GB ram laptop, i wonder why the -----------------------ck it is soo slow? My W98SE 900MHz was amazingly fastest compared to this lenovo garbage
17:16 Mr-Pardison Fixer, tenplus1: this is why we always abandon crapdows at the first chance we have (especially v 10)
17:16 tenplus1 xp and win7 were there best options, after that it's downhill all the way
17:16 Fixer it just reads and writes into swap for some reason, what a bitch
17:16 Fixer disc is trashed like ----
17:16 Krock Me (front) vs The One She Told Me Not To Worry About (back) https://i.imgur.com/2gv3rZF.png
17:16 Fixer constant i/o
17:16 Fixer i've looked into everything
17:16 Fixer i know the way to fix this
17:16 tenplus1 lol
17:16 Fixer upgrade to Windows XP
17:16 Fixer everything past XP is slow AF
17:16 rdococ_ lol
17:17 Fixer you can't imagine how painfully slow is 7 or 10 on 2-3gb laptops
17:17 Fixer it is just shiiit
17:17 Fixer you hate everything
17:17 rdococ_ wat
17:17 rdococ_ 2-3gb ram?
17:17 Fixer while working on it
17:17 rdococ_ even I have more RAM than that
17:17 tenplus1 and the worst part is that microcrap is forcing games to run w10 only...  I hope WINE has a gaming layer added for this soon
17:18 Fixer yeah
17:18 Fixer not into a new games though
17:18 Fixer fuck miners along the way
17:18 tenplus1 steam for windows in wine runs pretty well in xubu 18.04 (all latest release)
17:19 Fixer I RUN GTA SA on 256MB ram PC with Windows XP literally, and this POS can't handle that POS-Firefox
17:19 tenplus1 ahahaha...
17:20 tenplus1 try Chromium (NOT chrome) is pretty good
17:20 Fixer i know that XP will run best
17:20 Fixer it is just bare OS mostly
17:20 Fixer without that nanny NSA shit
17:21 Fixer doing mindless constant tasks, raping my disk i/o
17:21 Fixer gtfo microsoft
17:21 * tenplus1 has W10 lite edition with AAAAAAALLLLL the fluff removed from it...
17:21 tenplus1 and even then it's still crap
17:21 Mr-Pardison which is why I can't stand w10
17:21 * tenplus1 gives Fixer Xubuntu as well :D
17:22 tenplus1 ooh, I wonder how far alone ReactOS has come... newest rendition is suppose to run w8/10 software now
17:26 IcyDiamond rubenwardy: I see your content library got merged
17:26 IcyDiamond :D
17:26 tenplus1 w00t
17:26 Krock tenplus1, but reactos can't be better than Wine because they depend on Wine  :/
17:27 rdococ_ what?
17:27 tenplus1 it's a standalone Os tho Krock for simple apps/software for like offices etc where you dont need a license or linux setp
17:27 tenplus1 but yeah, prolly better with linux + wine
17:28 rdococ_ Yays
17:28 rdococ_ I will now reboot
17:28 Krock but I like the idea of ReactOS to make a non-shitty Windows
17:28 Fixer tenplus1: ubuntu future is uncertain
17:28 Fixer hi Krock
17:29 tenplus1 how you mean fixer ?
17:29 Krock hi Fixer :)
17:29 Krock I think Fixer means the data collecting which is apparently also a new feature
17:30 tenplus1 lol, that's nothing to worry about... it's only during install to see which options you select and wether you have certain hardware...
17:30 tenplus1 it's only to improve installer, nothing more
17:30 Fixer tenplus1: it is that ipo and stuff corporate thing, ubuntu is milked out, brand is half-dead
17:31 tenplus1 it's like anything else I suppose... can only use it and see where it heads :)
17:32 Jordach just reimplement windows as a QT API
17:32 tenplus1 lol
17:34 tenplus1 Jordach: https://extonlinux.wordpress.com/2018/04/19/extix-18-4-the-ultimate-linux-system-with-lxqt-0-12-0-refracta-tools-calamares-installer-and-kernel-4-16-2-exton-build-180419/
17:35 Jordach ew
17:36 Jordach what the actual absolute goatfuck of a shit site layout is that
17:36 tenplus1 lol
17:36 tenplus1 not so much the layout but the distro...  full Qt lite
17:37 tenplus1 :P
17:38 Fixer okay, enough raging
17:38 rdococ Back on xubuntu
17:38 rdococ I feel yay
17:38 Fixer while I AFK and forgive me for cursing this time and also develop MTG! develop MTG! develop MTG!
17:38 rdococ It's okay if you curse, but don't ever mention YKW
17:38 * rdococ has mentioned it a couple times before, and regrets it
17:38 tenplus1 heh
17:39 rdococ If you say its name, the company that has enveloped it will return and once more envelop a popular game
17:39 rdococ Don't subject other games to the same fate as Minecraft...wait, crap
17:40 Shara Fixer: Come help us :)
17:40 tenplus1 hi shara
17:40 Shara Hi ten :)
17:42 rdococ Seems to take a long time to start applications for some reason
17:44 rdococ Interesting, git didn't come pre-installed on this one
17:44 tenplus1 rdococ: if you're on xubuntu just now do this:   1. open terminal.  2.  type:  sudo mousepad /etc/sysctl.conf   3. add this line to the end:   vm.swappiness = 10   4. save and reset
17:44 rdococ tenplus1, what does that do?
17:44 tenplus1 also you can turn OFF desktop compositing to speed thigns up
17:44 rdococ What's the default swappiness value and what does swappiness do?
17:44 tenplus1 rdococ: it tells kernel to use available memory before touching swap partition, which increases speed when opening files
17:45 tenplus1 my swappiness is 0... I dont use swap file with 4gb
17:45 rdococ seriously, why isn't that on by default then?
17:45 tenplus1 but setting to 10 is a good start (default is 60)
17:46 tenplus1 dunno, they cater to many different hardwares... if they would tweak the distro with all these speed tips then xubun would fly
17:46 Krock 60 is way too high. I've set it to 20 and it works just fine
17:46 rdococ I set it to 10 as eleven said
17:46 rdococ although if things go wrong I might consider 20
17:47 Krock well yeah, 4 GB of memory only here
17:47 tenplus1 you coudl also add the noatime to fstab but that has to be 100% or wont boot
17:47 rdococ tenplus1 doesn't even use swap with 4gb ram though
17:48 rdococ I set it to 20 to be safe
17:48 tenplus1 during install I only have '/' partition set to 50gb and '/home' for rest of drive... no swap
17:48 rdococ what happens if your RAM is full tho?
17:48 tenplus1 if your ram is full then it uses swap :0
17:48 tenplus1 oh you mean MY ram... hah
17:48 tenplus1 it never gets full
17:48 rdococ what would happen if it did though? it's only 4gb
17:48 Krock I think tenplus1 also doesn't run a compiler and Kdevelop/Atom in parallel
17:49 Krock plus a few firefox processes
17:49 rdococ fair point, I keep firefox open pretty much all the time
17:49 * tenplus1 has IceWM, Chromium, Youtube, Pidgin, Git, Minetest, Mpv, Ublock and system monitors running and works perfectly
17:49 rdococ and hexchat, but IRC clients don't usually require that much RAM, if I remember right
17:49 rdococ tenplus1: tell us your black magic
17:50 Krock Git, Pidgin, Mpv and Ublock don't use too much memory
17:50 Krock Chrome is what hurts here
17:51 tenplus1 chromium (not chrome) is tweaked and most settings turned off to keep ti fast and use little memory
17:51 Krock ah, chromium :)
17:51 Krock I've read it wrong
17:51 tenplus1 would never use chrome... google messed that up
17:51 rdococ ew, chrome
17:51 rdococ Chromium or Firefox is the way to go
17:53 rdococ libpng12-dev has no installation candidate, hm
17:53 rdococ will libpng-dev suffice?
17:53 rdococ (for Minetest)
17:54 Krock real villains would run iexplore in Wine to use Gecko in the iconic M$ browser
17:57 rdococ what about a linux emulator in wine
17:59 tenplus1 :P
18:05 rdococ run a linux emulator in Wine. in the emulated linux session, run iexplore in Wine to use Gecko in the iconic M$ browser
18:05 Jordach you dawg
18:05 Jordach -u
18:05 Jordach i heard you like emulation
18:06 rubenwardy Wine Is Not an Emulator though, Jordach
18:06 rdococ I heard you like pedantry
18:06 * tenplus1 has windows 10 in seamless mode, w10 bar at bottom, xubuntu bar at top and any program running in the middle :D
18:06 rdococ Ew
18:06 rdococ Why would you do that
18:07 tenplus1 but only as a demo for clients to see WHAT it can do
18:07 tenplus1 lol
18:07 tenplus1 you couldnt pay me enough to use w10
18:08 Jordach >em·u·late
18:08 Jordach >3. Computers To imitate the function of (another system), as by modifications to hardware or software that allow the imitating system to accept the same data, execute the same programs, and achieve the same results as the imitated system.
18:08 rdococ hm, do you think Wine suits that definition?
18:08 rubenwardy it's literally what Wine stands for, y'know
18:08 * Jordach slaps rubenwardy with the oxford dictionary
18:08 rdococ rubenwardy, IIRC it used to mean "Windows Emulator"
18:09 rdococ hm
18:09 rdococ my text box turned blue
18:10 rdococ weird
18:10 tenplus1 what prog ?
18:10 rdococ hexchat using adwaita color scheme, if I remember correctly
18:10 rdococ I switched back to the default though
18:11 rubenwardy I had that issue
18:11 rubenwardy since fixed it
18:11 tenplus1 adwaita wasnt that great... wouldnt mind if they removed it completely and stuck with the rest
18:11 rdococ I don't mind any color scheme as long as it isn't too dark
18:11 rdococ s/color scheme/theme/
18:11 rdococ well, depends
18:11 Krock but Wine is not an OS, which is why some issues can't be solved properly, such as resource management (writing/modifying dlls)
18:12 rdococ but ReactOS is
18:12 Krock yeah
18:12 tenplus1 winetricks helps a lot as does PlayOnLinux
18:13 rdococ ReactOS emulator
18:13 rdococ ReaE: ReaE esda anegado Emulador in my made up language, Wigigitoghjr
18:15 rdococ O_O
18:16 rdococ I can run Minetest 0.5.0-dev singleplayer at a consistent 50 FPS now
18:16 rdococ well, on a new world
18:16 Mr-Pardison nice.
18:16 rdococ without any mods other than MTG ones.
18:16 Mr-Pardison oh.
18:16 Mr-Pardison not very nice.
18:16 rdococ Mr-Pardison, it's the best FPS I've ever gotten in that situation so it is nice for me
18:16 rdococ unless I play on my tablet
18:16 Mr-Pardison cuz default vanilla be a tad... how do I put this nicely... bland.
18:16 tenplus1 :PP
18:17 rdococ We all know that, you don't need to avoid saying it :P
18:17 tenplus1 glad you got some sorta boost from it :D
18:17 rdococ me too
18:17 rdococ Kittens are fluffy, and really cute
18:17 tenplus1 disable compositing and you'll get some more FPS  on top of that
18:18 Mr-Pardison shaders off too (depends on hardware tho)
18:18 tenplus1 yeh, I even play with smooth lighting, clouds and fog disabled for max fps
18:19 rdococ what's desktop compositing?
18:19 Mr-Pardison having fog off makes the loading a bit jittery for me
18:19 Mr-Pardison have to hop brb
18:19 tenplus1 go into xubuntu settings, click windows advanced, compositing tab, disable
18:19 tenplus1 it's jsut fancy effects like shadows on windows and fading in menu's etf
18:19 tenplus1 c
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18:20 tenplus1 o/ paramat
18:20 rdococ I disabled desktop compositing for speed
18:22 paramat hi. tenplus1 rdococ and others please restrain OS talk here, too much today, you could use #minetest-chat
18:22 tenplus1 buuuuuuuu
18:22 rdococ k
18:22 tenplus1 :P
18:22 rdococ wanna know why I prefer american spellings over british ones?
18:23 tenplus1 ?
18:23 rdococ "Quick, type the word 'color' in 5 seconds or the world will be obliterated!"
18:23 rdococ lol
18:23 tenplus1 colour
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18:24 tenplus1 wb mister
18:24 rdococ colour takes more time to type, and every time you say it that time adds up
18:26 paramat channel rules: "Please keep offtopic discussions short (under 50 lines). " :]
18:26 Fixer back, [off] counts as offtopic?
18:26 Fixer i have good news
18:26 Krock without [off] or other offtopic this channel is dead :<
18:27 rdococ paramat: Okay, so every 50 lines I will go to the toilet so we can restart the conversation
18:27 rdococ jk :P
18:27 Krock rdococ, flush the output afterwards
18:27 Mr-Pardison and spray.
18:27 rdococ lol
18:35 rdococ iOS, ew
18:40 Fixer new minetest name - Crafting
18:40 Fixer Crafting.io
18:41 paramat offtopic in small amounts is encouraged here. [off] is offtopic yes and not exception to the rule
18:41 tenplus1 ??
18:43 Fixer Voxels.io
18:47 tenplus1 *now
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18:49 tenplus1 wb
18:51 * Jordach hits blunt, it's 4/20
18:51 tenplus1 happy 420 all
18:51 rdococ Compiling backport-0.4
18:55 tenplus1 you running the 1-line script ?
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18:58 tenplus1 rdococ: now you're running ubu you can go to minetest.net/downloads and get the latest build alreayd made for the os
18:58 tenplus1 hi ssieb
18:58 ssieb hi
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19:04 rdococ tenplus1, I just compiled Minetest 0.5.0-dev and backport-0.4
19:04 tenplus1 sweet, how long did it take ?
19:05 rdococ Uh oh, the backport-0.4 build failed
19:05 rdococ /home/rdococ/minetest/backport-0.4/src/content_mapblock.cpp:55:1: error: the type ‘const v3s16 [8] {aka const irr::core::vector3d<short int> [8]}’ of constexpr variable ‘light_dirs’ is not literal
19:05 tenplus1 I always go here for latest: https://code.launchpad.net/~minetestdevs/+archive/ubuntu/daily-builds/+packages
19:05 rdococ I also just realized I forgot to enable cURL
19:06 rdococ nvm, server list works anyway
19:06 tenplus1 :P
19:06 rdococ but my backport-0.4 build failed... o_O
19:06 rdococ earlier today it succeeded
19:07 rdococ There was a commit to backport-0.4 an hour ago
19:07 tenplus1 is 0.4.17 final yet ?
19:08 rdococ but it didn't change content_mapblock.cpp
19:08 rdococ so now I'm confused
19:33 IhrFussel 0.4.17 should have been final by now...the news section of the forum states "15th April (maybe 2-3 days later)"
19:33 Jordach >implying the core devs know something called time
19:34 rubenwardy nerzhul shouldn't have made that forum topic tbh
19:34 rubenwardy it's stupid
19:35 rdococ we shouldn't rush the core devs
19:36 rdococ granted, Minetest will probably be in constant development for the foreseeable future which is not a bad thing, but I don't think we should be rushing them for releases like 0.4.17 and 0.5.0
19:36 tenplus1 gonig by the bugs that have been found today I'll wait until it's final
19:36 rdococ I am not used to playing Minetest at >15 FPS
19:36 tenplus1 ehehe, turn off clouds and fog and smooth lighting and it goes up more
19:39 tenplus1 nite folkso///
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19:41 rdococ I'm going to try that to see
19:42 Krock rdococ, the human eye can't see faster than 10 FPS
19:43 paramat opaque leaves makes a big difference to FPS, also master-disable shaders
19:54 rdococ Hm, FPS cap seems to be 60
19:55 rdococ Krock: The rdococ eye can't see faster than 10 FPS when the rdococ eye is playing Minetest, but in all other situations the rdococ eye can distinguish 30 from 60 FPS
19:56 rdococ paramat: Can confirm, it made a huge difference on my Debian installation
19:56 rdococ especially if there were leaves around
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21:11 rdococ One of the ideas Notch had for spawn eggs in YKW was that breeding would involve moving egg blocks around. Personally I find this idea pretty interesting and am sad nothing was done with it. Maybe we could create something similar as a Minetest mod?
21:37 IcyDiamond Go ahead :p
21:38 rdococ Eh, I'm too bored
21:38 IcyDiamond Bored? Do it
21:38 rdococ I meant tired
21:38 IcyDiamond Take a nap
21:39 rdococ NoOoO
21:39 IcyDiamond You could pass that idea on to 10+1
21:39 rdococ I don't want to waste time
21:41 rdococ I'd like a new skybox mode with four sets of six images - a skybox for midnight, sunrise, daytime and sunset - and blending between them based on the time of day. This mode would also have an option to show the sun and moon in the sky
21:54 paramat usually when you have an idea you end up having to do it yourself ;]
21:57 paramat maybe add this sky texture idea to the issue for it, has potential
22:13 rdococ True, lol
22:13 rdococ <rdococ> I don't want to waste time <- waste time sleeping, that is
22:32 Jordach go fix it ;)
22:33 Jordach i see
22:35 xerox123 applies to everyone ^
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