| Time |
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| 00:27 |
sofar |
# journalctl --since=today |grep 42.7.26.61|wc -l |
| 00:27 |
sofar |
25554 |
| 00:27 |
sofar |
effin hell |
| 00:28 |
rubenwardy |
what's journalctl? |
| 00:29 |
* sofar |
smacks rubenwardy out of the pleistocene into the systemd age |
| 00:29 |
rubenwardy |
I use systemd services |
| 00:29 |
sofar |
man systemd-journald; man journalctl |
| 00:29 |
rubenwardy |
just did |
| 00:29 |
rubenwardy |
thank you for the help |
| 00:29 |
rubenwardy |
so kind |
| 00:29 |
rubenwardy |
:) |
| 00:29 |
sofar |
lol |
| 00:30 |
sofar |
I'm an rtfm kind of guy, sorry |
| 00:32 |
sofar |
afk |
| 01:39 |
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| 02:04 |
rubenwardy |
does anyone know why I had to change the RPATH of an executable to use libs from /usr/local/lib? |
| 02:09 |
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| 02:33 |
rubenwardy |
argh |
| 02:34 |
rubenwardy |
so it looks like I'm now building MinGW from scratch |
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| 03:40 |
BakerPrime |
AFK, BBT |
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| 03:49 |
BakerPrime |
I'm gonna AFK on the server overnight, to run my machines |
| 03:49 |
BakerPrime |
oops |
| 03:49 |
BakerPrime |
Wrong channel |
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| 07:44 |
rdococ |
Installing Minetest's dependencies, yay |
| 07:45 |
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| 07:48 |
rdococ |
Hi Krock. |
| 07:48 |
rdococ |
I'm installing Minetest again. |
| 07:49 |
Krock |
o/ |
| 07:50 |
rdococ |
Deciding which directory to install it in... |
| 07:53 |
rdococ |
maybe a folder ~/minetest containing different versions e.g. ~/minetest/master or ~/minetest/backport-0.4 |
| 08:08 |
rdococ |
O_O |
| 08:08 |
rdococ |
MINETEST IS SO SMOOTH!!! IT'S NOT STRUGGLING! |
| 08:08 |
rdococ |
Well, it's struggling a little but it can actually consistently achieve >30 |
| 08:08 |
rdococ |
Actually, it's a steady 50 |
| 08:09 |
rdococ |
Or 30, it changes a lot |
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| 09:17 |
rdococ |
Hi Fixer |
| 09:18 |
Fixer |
hi |
| 09:43 |
rdococ |
rubenwardy: Doesn't look like gold has much use in CTF. Maybe add an enchanting system using it? |
| 10:07 |
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| 10:07 |
tenplus1 |
hi folks |
| 10:17 |
rdococ |
Helloyays |
| 10:20 |
tenplus1 |
hi rdococ |
| 10:22 |
tenplus1 |
saw the foru post from byakuren |
| 10:22 |
tenplus1 |
*forum |
| 10:25 |
* rdococ |
yays |
| 10:27 |
tenplus1 |
monoids plays a good part in mod effects, but we need a base mod to handle said effects properly for monoids to use |
| 10:38 |
rdococ |
monoids is super cool |
| 10:40 |
tenplus1 |
agreed |
| 10:43 |
rdococ |
I will yay |
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| 11:01 |
tenplus1 |
hey Krock |
| 11:02 |
Krock |
hi tenplus1 |
| 11:02 |
* tenplus1 |
just found a funny bug in lucky blocks :D |
| 11:04 |
tenplus1 |
if player gets lightning block any mods around them get hurt also, but since lightning does a punch using same entity id they end up killing themselves :D |
| 11:05 |
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| 11:05 |
tenplus1 |
hi Jordach |
| 11:05 |
Jordach |
meow |
| 11:05 |
tenplus1 |
={o.o}= |
| 11:12 |
Krock |
tenplus1, yes, I also noticed that on Ihr's server, where the server said "Stop hitting yourself" :D |
| 11:13 |
tenplus1 |
that's a lucky block that caused player damage only :) |
| 11:17 |
tenplus1 |
my fav. is the dry bush attack, replaces all of your inventory slots with dry grass after dropping all your items on the floor :D |
| 11:23 |
tenplus1 |
when doing math.random() does it generate a random number based on the current time ? |
| 11:30 |
Jordach |
apparently |
| 11:31 |
tenplus1 |
ahh, if I put math.randomseed(os.time()) before it then it'll truly be random :D |
| 11:31 |
Jordach |
http://lua-users.org/wiki/MathLibraryTutorial |
| 11:32 |
Jordach |
there are a few caveats to doing that |
| 11:32 |
tenplus1 |
yeah ? |
| 11:33 |
Jordach |
for SP i just leave a small minetest.after constantly updating the seed with os.time in unix epoch divided by 4 then squared |
| 11:34 |
Jordach |
it most certainly prevents any situation where gaming math.random |
| 11:34 |
tenplus1 |
I wanted to make sure when choosing a lucky block from the list that it was truly random |
| 11:35 |
tenplus1 |
it kinda felt like some ppl were getting the same kinds over and over |
| 11:35 |
rubenwardy |
It'll never be truly random without quantum mechanicd |
| 11:35 |
rubenwardy |
And getting the same thing over and over is normal |
| 11:35 |
rubenwardy |
Random doesn't mean it'll be evenly distributed for small sample sizes |
| 11:36 |
tenplus1 |
so sticking to a simple math.random(number) is fine ? |
| 11:37 |
Jordach |
on BSD such as macOS it's worse |
| 11:38 |
Jordach |
http://lua-users.org/lists/lua-l/2007-03/msg00564.html |
| 11:39 |
tenplus1 |
erk, so skip the randomseed if it has issue |
| 11:40 |
Jordach |
it's not randomseed with the issues |
| 11:40 |
Jordach |
math.random is deterministic |
| 11:41 |
Jordach |
the original elite for C64 that has to fit in 64k abused the fact that random numbers from a 0 entropy machine will always be deterministic |
| 11:41 |
Jordach |
this also applies to every random number generator |
| 11:41 |
Jordach |
it's why generating ssh keys want you to move your mouse |
| 11:44 |
tenplus1 |
interesting |
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| 12:13 |
tenplus1 |
hi aerozoic, wb NathanS21 |
| 12:13 |
aerozoic |
hola tenplus1 |
| 12:13 |
NathanS21 |
hi tenplus1 |
| 12:14 |
aerozoic |
anybody changing the world today? |
| 12:14 |
NathanS21 |
weathers too sloppy for that, hopefully I can start landscaping soon though. :) |
| 12:14 |
aerozoic |
XD |
| 12:15 |
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| 12:15 |
NathanS21 |
That's about as close to any world changing as I'll ever do. |
| 12:15 |
IhrFussel |
If I only allow A-Za-z0-9_- as name for the profile, can I safely put my profile page back online? |
| 12:16 |
IhrFussel |
rubenwardy ^ |
| 12:17 |
rubenwardy |
You should do that and also use php's file reading API |
| 12:17 |
tenplus1 |
o/ fussel |
| 12:17 |
IhrFussel |
rubenwardy, but the profiles are in a directory outside of /var/www which PHP cannot access AFAIK |
| 12:18 |
rdococ |
Weird |
| 12:18 |
rdococ |
Sometimes when I click 'exit to menu' the game exits completely |
| 12:19 |
IhrFussel |
rdococ, I recently restarted my server and instead of showing me the "server shutting down" error, everything froze and the whole game closed (assuming segfault happened) |
| 12:20 |
tenplus1 |
what build ? |
| 12:20 |
lisac |
rubenwardy: just checked out the content library, it seems text doesn't split to new line |
| 12:20 |
lisac |
hey tenplus1 |
| 12:20 |
tenplus1 |
hi lisac |
| 12:20 |
rubenwardy |
Formspecs suck |
| 12:20 |
IhrFussel |
tenplus1, server is 0.4.17 and client 0.4.16 |
| 12:21 |
lisac |
https://imgur.com/vtFQjKn |
| 12:21 |
rdococ |
IhrFussel: 0.5.0 just quit on me when I was trying to exit to the main menu |
| 12:21 |
rdococ |
the terminal logs are weird |
| 12:22 |
rdococ |
and it wasn't a segfault either |
| 12:22 |
lisac |
and also this https://imgur.com/fw8evPi |
| 12:22 |
rdococ |
the last line was "7feda8494000-7feda8495000 r--pAborted (core dumped)" |
| 12:22 |
rdococ |
is it to do with a recent commit? |
| 12:25 |
Krock |
lisac, these text issues were already reported. Read-only textareas solve the first one |
| 12:26 |
lisac |
that's the latest build |
| 12:26 |
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| 12:26 |
lisac |
as in, just pulled and compiled |
| 12:26 |
Krock |
ikr |
| 12:26 |
Mr_Pardison |
\o |
| 12:26 |
Krock |
hi Mr_Pardison |
| 12:27 |
tenplus1 |
hi mister |
| 12:27 |
Mr_Pardison |
morning. |
| 12:28 |
rdococ |
https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/7BWmKXSSPD/ |
| 12:28 |
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| 12:28 |
rdococ |
Sometimes when I exit to menu from a recent (I think latest) Minetest build I get that and it crashes (just exits completely) |
| 12:31 |
tenplus1 |
hi Jordach |
| 12:32 |
* Jordach |
shuts laptop lid |
| 12:38 |
* rdococ |
turns Jordach into a laptop lid |
| 12:39 |
tenplus1 |
:P |
| 12:52 |
rdococ |
Hm, in YouKnowWhat you can rename items and tools with an anvil (you know, because everything we dare give a label to must be laid onto some big chunk of iron) |
| 12:53 |
tenplus1 |
havnig an anvil would be nice |
| 12:54 |
tenplus1 |
especially for fixing tools with their core metal.ore |
| 12:54 |
rdococ |
although the fact that anvils fall in YKW is pretty funny |
| 12:54 |
tenplus1 |
cartoon comedy :P |
| 12:54 |
rdococ |
tenplus1: maybe an anvil could be like a furnace, requiring fuel + material to repair tools seeing as you need to heat metal to make it malleable |
| 12:55 |
tenplus1 |
maybe only repairing tools IF a furnace is beside it containing fuel ? |
| 12:55 |
rdococ |
although tbh merely crafting iron+ tools should require fuel and some time, seeing as you can't just bash three ingots together and make a pickaxe head |
| 12:56 |
tenplus1 |
a tool forge would be nice |
| 12:56 |
rdococ |
tenplus1: ooh, interesting idea |
| 12:56 |
Mr-Pardison |
technic has an alloying furnace and a tool workshop (both MV iirc) |
| 12:57 |
tenplus1 |
aww, they closed mah pull: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/5293 |
| 12:57 |
Mr-Pardison |
:/ |
| 12:57 |
rdococ |
Ooh, IcyDiamond could add technic support to melterns so you can have technological tiers - technic metal casters and melters would require energy but be faster and be able to melt certain metlas that the normal ones can't |
| 12:57 |
rdococ |
s/metlas/metals/ |
| 12:58 |
tenplus1 |
could use clay to make a prcelain forge you fill with lava that can cast tools :D |
| 12:58 |
Mr-Pardison |
what about grinding rarium or unobtanium (from xtraores iirc)? |
| 12:58 |
Mr-Pardison |
ooohh... lava :) |
| 12:59 |
rdococ |
I think damage from falling nodes should increase linearly with velocity |
| 13:00 |
Jordach |
modname:falling_node_name |
| 13:00 |
Jordach |
as the damage name |
| 13:00 |
Jordach |
(see on_dieplayer or on_damage) |
| 13:00 |
rdococ |
oh yea, damage and death reasons |
| 13:01 |
rdococ |
cartoonish:falling_node_anvil |
| 13:01 |
* Mr-Pardison |
drops an anvil on rdococ |
| 13:01 |
* rdococ |
watches Mr-Pardison drop the anvil from directly above rdococ's head, dealing half a heart |
| 13:02 |
Jordach |
thing is, tenplus1 the base tier of atvomat machines in SP are either fuelless or use coal |
| 13:02 |
Mr-Pardison |
when one forgets an important param, something can (and probably will) go wrong. |
| 13:02 |
Jordach |
there's a later upgrade for them to use a power network |
| 13:04 |
tenplus1 |
you're right, falling nodes do need calculated damage depending on fall speed |
| 13:04 |
Mr-Pardison |
and you're left with the need for a calculator. |
| 13:04 |
rdococ |
and edible unicorns |
| 13:05 |
Mr-Pardison |
why would you eat the unicorns? |
| 13:05 |
tenplus1 |
rainbow goodness :P |
| 13:05 |
Krock |
because of its taste? |
| 13:05 |
Mr-Pardison |
IMO they are a great method of transportation. |
| 13:05 |
Krock |
you can transport yourself faster if you eat unicorns |
| 13:06 |
Mr-Pardison |
but if one is riding on the unicorn, wouldn't you have the same speed as when you ate one? |
| 13:06 |
tenplus1 |
less weight so they go faster :D |
| 13:08 |
tenplus1 |
might add a special item you can use on mob horses to turn them into flying unicorns |
| 13:08 |
rdococ |
I once ate an ender pearl and entered my own stomach |
| 13:08 |
tenplus1 |
messy visit |
| 13:20 |
tenplus1 |
btw teleport potions work in the same way as ender pearls :D |
| 13:23 |
rdococ |
You throw them? |
| 13:23 |
rdococ |
teleport splash potions! |
| 13:23 |
rdococ |
you create one with a piece of your DNA, and it makes a splash potion that teleports you when it hits the ground |
| 13:23 |
rdococ |
then if you give it to someone else and they throw it, it teleports you instead! |
| 13:23 |
tenplus1 |
yep... you can place for a 10 second window once coords set, or throw for short-distance jumps... or craft into pads for permanent teleportation |
| 13:23 |
Mr-Pardison |
if they exploded near players, have them randomly teleported somewhere. |
| 13:24 |
tenplus1 |
good idea, could make a tp bomb to do just that :D |
| 13:25 |
rdococ |
I created a mod which modifies the builtin falling node entity to damage you based on its velocity when you are directly under it, so people that want the functionality can use the mod and people that don't can just not use the mod |
| 13:25 |
tenplus1 |
kewl rdococ, add a pull to get that into the game :) |
| 13:25 |
tenplus1 |
I already use the pull I uplaoded on Xanadu and players like it for mob traps etc |
| 13:26 |
rdococ |
tenplus1: it's a Lua mod though, it's not meant to be in the engine or in builtin :P |
| 13:26 |
tenplus1 |
you got a link ? |
| 13:26 |
rdococ |
although it wouldn't be too difficult to modify to put it in the builtin |
| 13:26 |
rdococ |
I haven't pushed it to github yet |
| 13:26 |
rdococ |
I haven't reinstalled git yet, lol |
| 13:27 |
tenplus1 |
ehehe |
| 13:27 |
Mr-Pardison |
I'd love to make that not only for a mob trap but also for a player trap :D |
| 13:27 |
rdococ |
nevermind, it came pre-installed |
| 13:27 |
tenplus1 |
so when desert sand falls on players exploring below it hurts, and playerplus will also have if suffocate them if trapped inside |
| 13:27 |
rdococ |
tenplus1: at the moment it works for all nodes (falling sand nodes will hurt you for example) |
| 13:29 |
tenplus1 |
anvils should do the most damage if falling |
| 13:30 |
rdococ |
you could send the velocity of the falling node to fall_hurt_check so it can calculate the damage |
| 13:31 |
rdococ |
Minetest 0.5.0 just crashed on me again |
| 13:31 |
rdococ |
Something weird is going on |
| 13:31 |
tenplus1 |
the [falling_node_damage} group in my code could use it to deal full damage depending on vel... good idea |
| 13:32 |
rdococ |
Also, when I died from testing falling node damage I didn't get teleported back to the home I set |
| 13:33 |
tenplus1 |
did you sleep in a bed to set spawnpoint ? |
| 13:34 |
rdococ |
I used /sethome |
| 13:34 |
tenplus1 |
hrm, wonder what's going on with 0.5x that's got glitchesl ike this |
| 13:35 |
rdococ |
Actually, home doesn't seem to be working, I spawn randomly between the two islands I'm testing on |
| 13:35 |
tenplus1 |
crap |
| 13:35 |
rdococ |
also, a shorter name for "falling_node_damage" could be "crush_damage" |
| 13:36 |
rubenwardy |
IhrFussel: there's a reason PHP doesn't like you reading outside of var/www, and that's because it's a massive security issue with poorly written code |
| 13:36 |
rubenwardy |
Either write the files to /var/www or change the php config to allow access to the data's folder |
| 13:36 |
tenplus1 |
rdococ: we settled on falling_node_damage since falling_node is similar and they tie together |
| 13:37 |
rdococ |
true |
| 13:45 |
IhrFussel |
rubenwardy, I changed all shell_exec() to file_get_contents() and only allow A-Za-z0-9_- now ... I don't think there is any way for an exploit anymore |
| 13:45 |
rubenwardy |
nice |
| 13:45 |
rdococ |
and Minetest crashed again |
| 13:45 |
rubenwardy |
do you use any SQL anywhere? Do you have sandboxing on in Minetest? |
| 13:46 |
IhrFussel |
But there would still be one if . and / were allowed...then website visitors could potentially leave the hard coded directory by typing "/../../etc" |
| 13:47 |
rubenwardy |
yeah, definitely avoid that |
| 13:47 |
IhrFussel |
I use sqlite for the website's chat, but there are no senstive infos stored really (worst that can happen is access to PMs) |
| 13:48 |
Krock |
HTML tags are already sanitized.. too bad :( |
| 13:48 |
rubenwardy |
lol |
| 13:49 |
rubenwardy |
yeah, don't do XSS |
| 13:53 |
rdococ |
ew, xss |
| 13:54 |
Krock |
yay NoScript |
| 13:55 |
rdococ |
yay kittens |
| 13:56 |
Fixer |
Noscript ftw, fuck JSmonkey, waiting for big Nuclear to erase this shit out of existance along with js-monkeys |
| 13:57 |
Jordach |
World Ending Asteroid for 2020 |
| 13:57 |
Mr-Pardison |
Jordach: not an asteroid that will do that. |
| 13:57 |
Mr-Pardison |
it's a tweet. |
| 13:58 |
Jordach |
i'm with Fixer |
| 13:58 |
Krock |
it's flash |
| 13:58 |
Jordach |
fuck JS |
| 13:59 |
tenplus1 |
so many bloated sites |
| 13:59 |
Fixer |
flash is dead |
| 14:05 |
Jordach |
yep, praise the damn iPhone for it |
| 14:05 |
rubenwardy |
so are Weblets |
| 14:05 |
rubenwardy |
Long live HTML5! |
| 14:05 |
rubenwardy |
https://physics.rubenwardy.com was made because weblets suck |
| 14:05 |
rdococ |
Noscript has yayed |
| 14:06 |
Jordach |
rubenwardy: if it weren't for apple pushing it in 2008 with the iPhone we would still be using flash and java |
| 14:06 |
tenplus1 |
flash usage has dropped from 29% in 2009 to 5% now |
| 14:07 |
Jordach |
rubenwardy: your site works perfectly in safari |
| 14:07 |
rubenwardy |
wooo |
| 14:08 |
rubenwardy |
need to redesign the home page for that |
| 14:08 |
CWz |
does it work in midori |
| 14:08 |
rubenwardy |
include some fancy preview images |
| 14:08 |
rubenwardy |
I use standard HTML5/JS, so hopefully |
| 14:08 |
rubenwardy |
"standard" |
| 14:08 |
CWz |
so no ie7/8 |
| 14:09 |
tenplus1 |
*shudder* |
| 14:10 |
rdococ |
What is FSAA in the settings? |
| 14:10 |
Jordach |
anti aliasin |
| 14:10 |
Jordach |
aka, smoothed edges of blocks and everything instead of sharp edges |
| 14:11 |
Fixer |
FSAA aka AA |
| 14:11 |
Fixer |
also AF/AA was dream in 90s-2000s |
| 14:11 |
Fixer |
maybe a little AF 2x |
| 14:11 |
Fixer |
but no more |
| 14:12 |
rdococ |
FSAA doesn't seem to be doing anything for me |
| 14:19 |
rdococ |
hm |
| 14:19 |
rdococ |
It'd be yay to set my FOV to 90 |
| 14:20 |
rdococ |
actually I'd like to see what 120 looks like |
| 14:24 |
Jordach |
:thonk: |
| 14:24 |
* rdococ |
looks up the meaning of thonking |
| 14:24 |
Krock |
like :think: but with a string distance of 1 replacement char |
| 14:25 |
rdococ |
how many dimensions is string space |
| 14:26 |
rdococ |
clearly the string distance between a string, and a string with one letter removed or added is 1 |
| 14:26 |
rdococ |
what is the string distance between a string e.g. "think" and a string with a letter replaced by another e.g. "thonk"? |
| 14:27 |
rdococ |
one character replacement = one character removal + one character addition |
| 14:27 |
rdococ |
e.g. "think" can be transformed into "thonk" either by replacing the "i" with an "o", or by removing the "i" and adding an "o" in the middle |
| 14:27 |
Krock |
rdococ, Levenshtein distance weight a replacement as 1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levenshtein_distance |
| 14:27 |
rdococ |
ah |
| 14:28 |
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| 14:29 |
* rdococ |
pushes Krock two Levenshtein distance units, causing him to turn into Clock |
| 14:29 |
* rdococ |
tells the time with Clock |
| 14:36 |
rdococ |
I'm working on a mod that adds a weird line compass GUI |
| 14:37 |
rdococ |
it adds a "compass" to the HUD that tells you which direction you're facing so you don't have to look at the debug info |
| 14:37 |
Krock |
call it Yet Another Compass Mod |
| 14:38 |
tenplus1 |
lol |
| 14:41 |
rdococ |
who needs compasses when you have coordinates :P |
| 14:42 |
tenplus1 |
who needs coordinates when you have landmarks |
| 14:42 |
rdococ |
who needs landmarks when you have compasses |
| 14:42 |
tenplus1 |
:P |
| 14:42 |
ThomasMonroe |
:mind blown: circular reasoning |
| 14:42 |
tenplus1 |
o/ thomas |
| 14:43 |
rdococ |
spherical reasoning |
| 14:43 |
Jordach |
doughnut reasoning |
| 14:43 |
Mr-Pardison |
string theory reasoning. |
| 14:43 |
ThomasMonroe |
klien reasoning |
| 14:43 |
rdococ |
klein bottle reasoning |
| 14:43 |
ThomasMonroe |
XD |
| 14:43 |
rdococ |
mobius strip reasoning |
| 14:44 |
ThomasMonroe |
tesseract reasoning |
| 14:45 |
rdococ |
square reasoning |
| 14:48 |
rdococ |
lol |
| 14:48 |
tenplus1 |
youtube knows exactly what videos I watch online yet still fail to suggest anything I'd actually watch on my front page o.O |
| 14:48 |
rdococ |
Some circular reasoning is pretty bad, but what really angers me is when people act like something is circular reasoning when it isn't |
| 14:49 |
rdococ |
and I can tell because there's a flaw in the attempt to accuse the reasoning of being circular |
| 14:49 |
rdococ |
I saw one image that suggested that some people think evidence isn't evidence, which confused me |
| 14:49 |
Mr-Pardison |
they lack the evidence to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the reasoning is circular. |
| 14:50 |
rdococ |
lol |
| 14:50 |
rdococ |
you can tell if reasoning is circular just by looking at the reasoning itself, the context doesn't exactly matter as long as the conclusion is assumed in the premise |
| 15:03 |
rubenwardy |
tenplus1: pretty sure monoids is supposed to be the base mod |
| 15:03 |
tenplus1 |
only if things support it, but what I am hoping is that we get a base mod included in default |
| 15:03 |
tenplus1 |
that way all the mods can use it without having to add support |
| 15:04 |
tenplus1 |
like I mentioned before 3d_armor can override monoids easily |
| 15:04 |
rubenwardy |
can do the same to your mod |
| 15:05 |
tenplus1 |
huh ? |
| 15:05 |
rubenwardy |
Biggest problem with monoids is it has monoids in its name |
| 15:05 |
tenplus1 |
lol |
| 15:06 |
rubenwardy |
If you put that in its name, no one will use it |
| 15:06 |
tenplus1 |
if we include some sort of override setup in player mod and have modders use it for everyhitng it would be great |
| 15:08 |
rdococ |
the player_monoids mod can do everything that physicsh and pova can do, and more |
| 15:09 |
rdococ |
it should be used more often |
| 15:09 |
tenplus1 |
it's a good mod that should use a base mod to apply effects |
| 15:10 |
rdococ |
why though? |
| 15:11 |
tenplus1 |
personally it can be a pain to use, but that's just me :P |
| 15:12 |
tenplus1 |
custom functions etc. should be handled by the mod itself, no probs there, but base settings and control of overrides in default |
| 15:15 |
tenplus1 |
lol fixer... wait until w10 spring creator update is out... will have many more issues |
| 15:17 |
rdococ |
Windows 10 Minecraft Exclusivity Updateâ„¢: Minetest suddenly gains a lot of popularity from former Linux Minecraft playersâ„¢ |
| 15:17 |
tenplus1 |
just sad that you need 2gb more memory to run it on top of winblows |
| 15:18 |
rdococ |
I have USB flash drives but I don't know what to do with themâ„¢ |
| 15:18 |
tenplus1 |
I have 1 suggestion :P |
| 15:19 |
rdococ |
I don't think xfce realizes I have a battery |
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| 15:20 |
tenplus1 |
wb mister |
| 15:21 |
tenplus1 |
rdococ: put this on one of your flashdrives: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current/HEADER.html |
| 15:21 |
rdococ |
you want me to try out xubuntu? |
| 15:21 |
Krock |
the stable is now definitely out now? |
| 15:21 |
rdococ |
the stable for what? |
| 15:22 |
tenplus1 |
this is final beta for the LTS release, final release date is 4 days but not much will change now |
| 15:22 |
Krock |
s/stable/LTS/ |
| 15:22 |
tenplus1 |
6 year support |
| 15:22 |
rdococ |
how about you remind me in 4 days :P |
| 15:22 |
tenplus1 |
sorry, 5 years |
| 15:23 |
Mr_Pardison |
remind rdococ in 5 years? |
| 15:23 |
Mr_Pardison |
wow. |
| 15:23 |
tenplus1 |
lol, the daily will work perfectly fine :) and if anything changes within the 4 days it'll upadte for ya |
| 15:23 |
rdococ |
lol |
| 15:23 |
rdococ |
Sure, I can try it out |
| 15:23 |
IhrFussel |
tenplus1, 5 years is only for Ubuntu, Xubuntu has 3 years support but still a lot |
| 15:24 |
tenplus1 |
battery monitor now recognises my APC ups, and I like the do not disturb switch for popups |
| 15:24 |
rdococ |
what is the difference between ubuntu and xubuntu? |
| 15:24 |
IhrFussel |
The default DE |
| 15:24 |
Krock |
and WM |
| 15:24 |
rdococ |
ah |
| 15:24 |
tenplus1 |
fussel, 5 years for ubuntu base which xubuntu is built on... all teh security and kernel and drivers |
| 15:24 |
tenplus1 |
3 years for xfce basically but that's always in dev |
| 15:25 |
IhrFussel |
tenplus1, https://xubuntu.org/release/18-04/ |
| 15:25 |
tenplus1 |
:) still 5 years for base which is important |
| 15:26 |
IhrFussel |
3 years is a lot already...most people upgrade sooner to a new OS version if it exists |
| 15:26 |
tenplus1 |
and within 2 years you'll have another LTS release anyway :D |
| 15:26 |
tenplus1 |
yeah exactly fussel |
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| 15:27 |
rdococ |
Hm, 1.3 GB |
| 15:27 |
tenplus1 |
hi icy |
| 15:27 |
IhrFussel |
And there is (usually) no data loss since you can just upgrade your current system..no need to make a fresh install |
| 15:27 |
rdococ |
My internet connection is pretty slow so a 1.3 GB file takes ~15-20 minutes |
| 15:27 |
IcyDiamond |
Switched VPS provider |
| 15:27 |
IcyDiamond |
Well, still working on it :P |
| 15:27 |
tenplus1 |
has v6.02 of libreoffice which is good also |
| 15:28 |
rdococ |
I also can't watch Youtube videos of Minetest gameplay while the download is ongoing because then download speed slows down to a crawl |
| 15:28 |
tenplus1 |
heh |
| 15:31 |
rdococ |
what kernel version is xubuntu based on? |
| 15:31 |
IhrFussel |
18.04 will be 4.15 |
| 15:31 |
IhrFussel |
16.04 is 4.0 |
| 15:31 |
tenplus1 |
4.15.0-15 |
| 15:32 |
rdococ |
what about its daily build? |
| 15:32 |
rdococ |
(today) |
| 15:32 |
tenplus1 |
that is daily build ... I'm running it now :D |
| 15:32 |
IhrFussel |
Should be 4.15 already since release is only a few days away |
| 15:32 |
rdococ |
ah |
| 15:32 |
tenplus1 |
and you can go to ubuntu's own kernel page and get 4.16 stable or 4.17 rc1 |
| 15:32 |
rdococ |
it's taking so long |
| 15:33 |
IhrFussel |
Make sure that your CPU supports PAE (most CPUs since 2005 should) |
| 15:33 |
rdococ |
PAE? |
| 15:34 |
tenplus1 |
pae is for the 32-bit edition to use more than 3.5gb memory... if you use 64-bit it's not necessary |
| 15:34 |
IhrFussel |
Xubuntu page states PAE is required |
| 15:34 |
IhrFussel |
rdococ, cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep pae |
| 15:34 |
tenplus1 |
checking |
| 15:34 |
IhrFussel |
https://xubuntu.org/requirements/ |
| 15:35 |
tenplus1 |
31down voteacceptedPAE stands for P-hysical A-ddress E-xtension to access 4 GiB RAM on 32-bit systems. This is not needed for a 64-bit Ubuntu. |
| 15:36 |
IhrFussel |
"Your processor needs to support PAE in order to run Xubuntu." |
| 15:36 |
tenplus1 |
yeah if you are using 32-bit version only |
| 15:36 |
IhrFussel |
It doesn't say 32-bit anywhere |
| 15:36 |
tenplus1 |
if it's 64-bit you're after it's ok |
| 15:36 |
tenplus1 |
that's what PAE is fussel, as I posted above |
| 15:37 |
rdococ |
I use 64-yay |
| 15:37 |
tenplus1 |
:) same |
| 15:37 |
rdococ |
and IPv8 |
| 15:37 |
tenplus1 |
lol |
| 15:38 |
rdococ |
because I don't use 128-bit yet I decided to get a computer with PAE-64 on it so it could access more RAMâ„¢ |
| 15:38 |
IhrFussel |
I'm asking #xubuntu ... maybe they require that CPU flag for something system related |
| 15:39 |
* rdococ |
turns into a flag |
| 15:39 |
sfan5 |
then they forgot to state that, pae is not needed on 64-bit |
| 15:39 |
sfan5 |
in fact it makes zero sense on a 64-bit cpu |
| 15:39 |
tenplus1 |
:) yeh... also hi sfan |
| 15:40 |
* Mr_Pardison |
takes the flag and zooms away while being pursued by the other team trying to kill him and return the flag |
| 15:40 |
tenplus1 |
CTF game active |
| 15:40 |
IhrFussel |
Why is it even required then if it's only there to support more than 3.5 GB RAM? If my system is 32-bit and only got 1 or 2 GB RAM it shouldn't be required either |
| 15:40 |
IhrFussel |
So poorly written? |
| 15:41 |
tenplus1 |
some 32-bit systems with pae can access mroe than 4gb but at a speed penalty |
| 15:42 |
sfan5 |
it's not required |
| 15:42 |
sfan5 |
but none of that matter as you shouldn't be using a 32-bit CPU in 2018 |
| 15:43 |
Mr_Pardison |
well, what if you have an old laptop? |
| 15:43 |
IhrFussel |
sfan5, but the xubuntu team wrote it down that way and I wonder how such an error can happen |
| 15:43 |
Krock |
rdococ, I can't imagine the day where 64 bit aren't enough to address memory.. |
| 15:43 |
sfan5 |
IhrFussel: instead of spelling out the very specific conditions in which PAE is not not needed they opted to say "PAE is required" |
| 15:44 |
rdococ |
Krock: I'm from 3 years in the future, it's surprising how much RAM you need to simulate universes |
| 15:44 |
IhrFussel |
They could at least have added "if you use 32-bit version" |
| 15:44 |
rdococ |
we even had to make some compromises, such as never precisely keeping track of the position and momentum of any particle at the same time |
| 15:45 |
IhrFussel |
Which would still be wrong since 32-bit should still work without PAE when theres < 3.5 GB RAM but it would confuse less people |
| 15:46 |
rdococ |
I have 3.3 GiB of RAMâ„¢ |
| 15:46 |
rdococ |
I need more ramsâ„¢ |
| 15:46 |
tenplus1 |
they did mention they would drop 32-bit support, but the fact that xubuntu still has 32-bit PAE is a good thing |
| 15:47 |
* tenplus1 |
has 4gb (512mb for nvidia ion.2 mobile gfx) |
| 15:47 |
rdococ |
ew, 32-bit |
| 15:47 |
rubenwardy |
> 2018 |
| 15:47 |
rubenwardy |
> using 32-bit |
| 15:47 |
rubenwardy |
ew |
| 15:47 |
Jordach |
even my MBA is 64bit |
| 15:48 |
Mr_Pardison |
I've got a 32-bit laptop. |
| 15:48 |
tenplus1 |
then Xubuntu/Lubuntu will work on it :D |
| 15:48 |
Mr_Pardison |
I've been meaning to upgrade to a newer one that is 64 bit but currently I can't afford to. |
| 15:49 |
tenplus1 |
ebuyer.com has a 14" hd ready laptop for 110 with quad core and ips screen |
| 15:51 |
Krock |
rubenwardy, something something using old but working hardware for good instead of throwing away |
| 15:53 |
Mr_Pardison |
exactly. |
| 15:53 |
Mr_Pardison |
if it still works, why chuck it? |
| 15:53 |
IhrFussel |
Don't almost all smartphones still run with 32-bit? |
| 15:55 |
Jordach |
no |
| 15:55 |
rubenwardy |
not on iOS - you can't have 32bit apps on the store at all |
| 15:55 |
Jordach |
android mostly is now 64bit from android 6 |
| 15:55 |
Jordach |
the major chunk of 32bit android is dominated by cheap chinese 32bit tablets running kitkat |
| 15:57 |
Jordach |
(and are also woefully malware prone and already have it likely shipped out of the factory) |
| 15:57 |
IhrFussel |
There are much more phones than just the usual flagship ones by Samsung, Huawei, LG etc ... there are thousands of models, not all "cheap Chinese" ones |
| 15:58 |
IhrFussel |
The majority definitely still uses 32-bit CPUs |
| 15:58 |
tenplus1 |
I still have a CompaqM2000 32-bit with 1gb memory and Intel gfx that works fine with linux :D |
| 15:58 |
IhrFussel |
iPhone has market share of ~ 15% AFAIK |
| 15:58 |
Jordach |
inb4 linux 5.0 phases out 32bit |
| 15:59 |
Jordach |
then again, apple devices generally after a few years get jailbroken so the fun ride never ends |
| 16:00 |
tenplus1 |
sucks having a closed system... jailbreak all da way |
| 16:00 |
tenplus1 |
and w10 core will go the same way |
| 16:01 |
Jordach |
tenplus1: i mean, i don't generally need much more than a few specific apps |
| 16:01 |
tenplus1 |
if they are available in app store... what if they get removed, how would you get it on if no 3rd party apps |
| 16:02 |
Jordach |
unlikely lmao |
| 16:02 |
tenplus1 |
never say never :P |
| 16:02 |
Jordach |
i don't play MT on a phone anyways |
| 16:02 |
Jordach |
i'd either use a laptop with a mouse or a desktop |
| 16:02 |
tenplus1 |
+1million |
| 16:03 |
Jordach |
#neverMTmobile |
| 16:03 |
Mr_Pardison |
survival, never when PvP is a common thing. |
| 16:03 |
Mr_Pardison |
but the chat thing is the wurst since you can't scroll to see if you missed something. |
| 16:03 |
Jordach |
mmm |
| 16:03 |
Jordach |
speaking of which |
| 16:04 |
Jordach |
when anarchy is in effect, people are generally well mannered |
| 16:04 |
Jordach |
since a can kill b with the same weapons in reverse |
| 16:04 |
Jordach |
rules just slow down the experience a big |
| 16:04 |
Jordach |
bit |
| 16:04 |
tenplus1 |
o.O |
| 16:05 |
rdococ |
I restarted and it booted into mint, hmm |
| 16:05 |
Jordach |
mint never handed me a complimentary set of tic tacs |
| 16:05 |
rdococ |
Jordach never did either |
| 16:05 |
tenplus1 |
mmm, tic tacs |
| 16:05 |
Jordach |
oh you |
| 16:08 |
Jordach |
tenplus1: 27C here and i've got a nice fan on my desk |
| 16:08 |
tenplus1 |
nice... 16c here so far |
| 16:08 |
Jordach |
reeeeee |
| 16:09 |
Jordach |
got some zz top playing while devving solar plains |
| 16:09 |
Jordach |
much more chilled |
| 16:09 |
tenplus1 |
a programming atmosphere :P |
| 16:10 |
Krock |
28°C here. Time for some heavy compiling and coin mining 8) |
| 16:10 |
Jordach |
kek |
| 16:10 |
tenplus1 |
coin mining :) |
| 16:11 |
* Jordach |
is now tempted to add a chance for mining any ore to randomly drop a bitcoin in addition to it's normal drop |
| 16:12 |
tenplus1 |
that'd bew fun |
| 16:13 |
Jordach |
it's not like Intro II takes the piss out of a certain bluehole corporation |
| 16:13 |
IhrFussel |
sfan5, it *is* required, they just confirmed that in #xubuntu |
| 16:14 |
sfan5 |
on 64-bit? |
| 16:14 |
IhrFussel |
You *need* PAE if you use 32-bit even when it has less than 3.5 GB RAM ... so badly coded? |
| 16:14 |
rdococ |
I can't seem to boot into the xubuntu live cd |
| 16:14 |
sfan5 |
I doubt that |
| 16:14 |
sfan5 |
unless they for some reason disabled non-pae in the linux kernel |
| 16:14 |
sfan5 |
which makes no sense at all |
| 16:14 |
tenplus1 |
pae isnt needed for 64-bit... |
| 16:15 |
rdococ |
When I restart, it boots into mint, and I'm pretty sure OS boot order is set to USB flash drive first |
| 16:15 |
tenplus1 |
18.04 see's them remove 32-bit support for 18.04 but xubuntu/lubuntu is keeping it... xubuntu with pae and lubuntu without pae |
| 16:15 |
rdococ |
should I try to burn the iso again? |
| 16:15 |
IhrFussel |
"The 32bit kernel is compiled by default with Physical Address Extensions enabled, at some point in the past it was not" |
| 16:16 |
IhrFussel |
Since 64bit CPUs don't have PAE, the author likely didn't bother specifying << that is wrong, my CPU has PAE and is 64-bit |
| 16:18 |
sfan5 |
64-bit CPUs have PAE in 32-bit mode |
| 16:18 |
tenplus1 |
:P |
| 16:18 |
sfan5 |
it makes zero sense in 64-bit |
| 16:19 |
IhrFussel |
My OS is 64-bit...I think /proc/cpuinfo just lists the total features of the CPU |
| 16:21 |
* tenplus1 |
noms pizza |
| 16:21 |
Jordach |
oo |
| 16:32 |
Fixer |
*,,,,,,* |
| 16:34 |
tenplus1 |
*shares le pizza [chicken korma]* |
| 16:34 |
Jordach |
no |
| 16:34 |
Jordach |
no u |
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| 16:34 |
tenplus1 |
hi Darcidride |
| 16:38 |
rdococ |
I can't seem to run the xubuntu live cd |
| 16:39 |
tenplus1 |
how did you make it into a live usb ? |
| 16:40 |
rdococ |
dd command |
| 16:41 |
rdococ |
same thing I did with the mint live cd |
| 16:41 |
tenplus1 |
strange, should work same way... unless image is corrupt |
| 16:41 |
rdococ |
also, I can't seem to access boot settings when booting up mint |
| 16:41 |
tenplus1 |
holding shift ? |
| 16:42 |
rdococ |
good point |
| 16:42 |
rdococ |
I'll compare the checksum |
| 16:44 |
rdococ |
they match perfectly |
| 16:44 |
rdococ |
well, I'm gonna try again but hold shift this tme |
| 16:44 |
rdococ |
s/tme/time/ |
| 16:45 |
tenplus1 |
ddrescue can be used also |
| 16:45 |
tenplus1 |
https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-create-a-bootable-ubuntu-18-04-bionic-usb-stick-on-linux |
| 16:46 |
IcyDiamond |
gcc takes a while to compile |
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tenplus1 |
wb |
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| 16:54 |
tenplus1 |
o/ |
| 16:56 |
rdococ_ |
I am on the xubuntu live cd |
| 16:56 |
tenplus1 |
w00t, it worked :D |
| 16:56 |
tenplus1 |
what did you do different ? |
| 16:56 |
rdococ_ |
Yay |
| 16:56 |
rdococ_ |
Held shift during the boot |
| 16:57 |
tenplus1 |
kewl :) glad it worked... check out the "do not disturb" icon in top right :D |
| 16:57 |
rdococ_ |
Kewl |
| 16:58 |
rdococ_ |
ooh, kernel version is 4.15.0 |
| 16:58 |
tenplus1 |
yup :) you got latest, so if you're using amd/redeon graphics you get a boost |
| 16:58 |
rdococ_ |
Another boost? |
| 16:58 |
tenplus1 |
open terminal, do: sudo apt-get install minetest |
| 16:58 |
rdococ_ |
O_O |
| 16:58 |
tenplus1 |
check it out see if it's faster |
| 16:58 |
rdococ_ |
I already got a huge boost from 4.9.0 to 4.10.0 |
| 16:59 |
tenplus1 |
amd open-source gfx have come a loooooooong way in 4.15 |
| 16:59 |
rdococ_ |
Yay |
| 16:59 |
rdococ_ |
I will definitely install xubuntu then |
| 16:59 |
rdococ_ |
Wonder if I should dual-boot xubuntu and mint |
| 16:59 |
tenplus1 |
try them both live for a day (that's what I do) and isntall your fav. :D |
| 17:00 |
rdococ_ |
I already installed mint though |
| 17:00 |
Mr-Pardison |
tenplus1: what's the node with the name "sandy" in ethereal? |
| 17:00 |
tenplus1 |
hahahaha, kewl |
| 17:00 |
tenplus1 |
ethereal:sandy is an ore sand that grows seaweed and coral on top of it when underwater :D |
| 17:00 |
tenplus1 |
when dug it's default sand unless you use the crystal shovel to pick it up |
| 17:00 |
Mr-Pardison |
oh. |
| 17:01 |
Mr-Pardison |
I typically use a c-shovel whenever I'm digging. |
| 17:01 |
Mr-Pardison |
thx. |
| 17:01 |
Jordach |
:thonking: |
| 17:01 |
tenplus1 |
has soft touch so you can pickup sandy, quicksand, dirt with grass on it and sometimes full pie/cakes |
| 17:01 |
rdococ_ |
Looks like the installation process is the same |
| 17:02 |
Mr-Pardison |
I like quicksand + gravel + water for a certain death trap (protected ofc) |
| 17:02 |
tenplus1 |
mwhehehe... kinad wish the disable_jump group worked in liquids tho and stopped you swimming up |
| 17:02 |
tenplus1 |
would make it more lethal |
| 17:02 |
rdococ_ |
Okay, poll: Should I dualboot Mint + Xubuntu or wipe Mint? |
| 17:03 |
Mr-Pardison |
oh the trap works best when they are on a boat |
| 17:03 |
tenplus1 |
your hdd is large enough to handle both :) why not |
| 17:04 |
tenplus1 |
if you use the mushroom pore block it stops players jumping altogether and has no fall damage if you fall on it |
| 17:04 |
rdococ_ |
tenplus1: my HDD is large enough to hold at least 4 distros at once |
| 17:04 |
rdococ_ |
250 GB per distro |
| 17:05 |
tenplus1 |
that way you can test both for a while and settle on the one ya like more (or keep[ both) |
| 17:05 |
rdococ_ |
I don't need several environments for day-to-day life but I guess I could test both for a while |
| 17:05 |
tenplus1 |
cinnamon is a great desktop but a tad heavier on resources... which is why I like xfce better |
| 17:06 |
rdococ_ |
Hmm, how should I divide the partition |
| 17:06 |
rdococ_ |
maybe half and half? |
| 17:06 |
tenplus1 |
keep it simple, yeah :D |
| 17:06 |
Mr-Pardison |
I use pores at the bottom of a deep shaft to keep from dying., |
| 17:06 |
rdococ_ |
I'm going to give slightly more to xubuntu because why not |
| 17:07 |
tenplus1 |
I have slimes on xanadu drop slimeballs that can be made into slime blocks which let you bounce with 90% efficiency |
| 17:07 |
rdococ_ |
only ~3 more GB anyway... which is nearly my entire RAM, funnily enough |
| 17:07 |
rdococ_ |
my HDD holds 1 TB but I only have 4 GB / 3.3 GiB of RAM |
| 17:07 |
rdococ_ |
My laptop is a funny lil' thing |
| 17:07 |
tenplus1 |
sounds like a good spec :P |
| 17:08 |
rdococ_ |
I'd honestly prefer to sacrifice some HDD space for more RAM |
| 17:08 |
rdococ_ |
4 GB is barely any |
| 17:08 |
tenplus1 |
I used 2gb for the longest time and only upgraded to 4gb in december :P |
| 17:08 |
rdococ_ |
2gb? O_O |
| 17:08 |
tenplus1 |
my complete desktop only uses 140mb |
| 17:08 |
rdococ_ |
I don't even think you can run Windows on 2gb |
| 17:09 |
rdococ_ |
but then again, Windows is a RAMHog |
| 17:09 |
* tenplus1 |
likes to optimize his linux install |
| 17:09 |
rdococ_ |
do you mean RAM or disk space? |
| 17:09 |
tenplus1 |
ram... 140mb ram sitting on a fully loaded IceWM desktop |
| 17:10 |
tenplus1 |
I hate that windows10 sits at roughly 1.4gb just for the Os alone |
| 17:10 |
Fixer |
windows + firefox on 2GB is ununsable piece of shiit |
| 17:10 |
rdococ_ |
Yay, I will officially be dualbooting two Linux distros |
| 17:10 |
Fixer |
i have proofs |
| 17:10 |
tenplus1 |
w00t! |
| 17:10 |
Fixer |
it is constant swap-shit |
| 17:10 |
rdococ_ |
if nothing goes horribly wrong |
| 17:10 |
tenplus1 |
lol, hopefully not :P |
| 17:11 |
Fixer |
can;t shut that shit down literally, i have no idea why it goes into god damn swap when there is some free ram |
| 17:11 |
Fixer |
it is annoying |
| 17:11 |
Fixer |
it even sucks on 3GB ram |
| 17:11 |
tenplus1 |
fixer, edit the /etc/sysctl.conf file and add this to the end: vm.swappiness = 10 |
| 17:11 |
rdococ_ |
if it does I'll reboot the xubuntu live image and wipe everything and install xubuntu, so there's no way my laptop will crap out entirely, at least... wait, a message popped up while I was typing |
| 17:11 |
tenplus1 |
it'll use available ram until last 10% and only then switch to swap |
| 17:11 |
Fixer |
tenplus1: i was talking about Shindows 7 |
| 17:11 |
tenplus1 |
ohhhh... ahahaha |
| 17:12 |
tenplus1 |
I usually turn swap off and apple a registry fix |
| 17:12 |
Fixer |
linux probably has no such problem |
| 17:12 |
Fixer |
but in windows it is ridiculous |
| 17:12 |
tenplus1 |
windows sucketh |
| 17:12 |
Fixer |
windows boot is ridiculously sloow too |
| 17:12 |
Fixer |
many minutes |
| 17:14 |
Fixer |
i've looked deep into it |
| 17:14 |
Fixer |
very deep |
| 17:14 |
Fixer |
too deep |
| 17:14 |
Fixer |
the only way is probably to ditch that firefox crap |
| 17:14 |
Fixer |
and windows itself |
| 17:14 |
tenplus1 |
I agree, move to linux 100% |
| 17:14 |
Fixer |
it is rage inducing |
| 17:14 |
Fixer |
literally |
| 17:15 |
tenplus1 |
I hate it when a client has w10 on their laptop/pc and the problems they are having is windows itself |
| 17:15 |
Fixer |
every time i sit to that 3GB ram laptop, i wonder why the -----------------------ck it is soo slow? My W98SE 900MHz was amazingly fastest compared to this lenovo garbage |
| 17:16 |
Mr-Pardison |
Fixer, tenplus1: this is why we always abandon crapdows at the first chance we have (especially v 10) |
| 17:16 |
tenplus1 |
xp and win7 were there best options, after that it's downhill all the way |
| 17:16 |
Fixer |
it just reads and writes into swap for some reason, what a bitch |
| 17:16 |
Fixer |
disc is trashed like ---- |
| 17:16 |
Krock |
Me (front) vs The One She Told Me Not To Worry About (back) https://i.imgur.com/2gv3rZF.png |
| 17:16 |
Fixer |
constant i/o |
| 17:16 |
Fixer |
i've looked into everything |
| 17:16 |
Fixer |
i know the way to fix this |
| 17:16 |
tenplus1 |
lol |
| 17:16 |
Fixer |
upgrade to Windows XP |
| 17:16 |
Fixer |
everything past XP is slow AF |
| 17:16 |
rdococ_ |
lol |
| 17:17 |
Fixer |
you can't imagine how painfully slow is 7 or 10 on 2-3gb laptops |
| 17:17 |
Fixer |
it is just shiiit |
| 17:17 |
Fixer |
you hate everything |
| 17:17 |
rdococ_ |
wat |
| 17:17 |
rdococ_ |
2-3gb ram? |
| 17:17 |
Fixer |
while working on it |
| 17:17 |
rdococ_ |
even I have more RAM than that |
| 17:17 |
tenplus1 |
and the worst part is that microcrap is forcing games to run w10 only... I hope WINE has a gaming layer added for this soon |
| 17:18 |
Fixer |
yeah |
| 17:18 |
Fixer |
not into a new games though |
| 17:18 |
Fixer |
fuck miners along the way |
| 17:18 |
tenplus1 |
steam for windows in wine runs pretty well in xubu 18.04 (all latest release) |
| 17:19 |
Fixer |
I RUN GTA SA on 256MB ram PC with Windows XP literally, and this POS can't handle that POS-Firefox |
| 17:19 |
tenplus1 |
ahahaha... |
| 17:20 |
tenplus1 |
try Chromium (NOT chrome) is pretty good |
| 17:20 |
Fixer |
i know that XP will run best |
| 17:20 |
Fixer |
it is just bare OS mostly |
| 17:20 |
Fixer |
without that nanny NSA shit |
| 17:21 |
Fixer |
doing mindless constant tasks, raping my disk i/o |
| 17:21 |
Fixer |
gtfo microsoft |
| 17:21 |
* tenplus1 |
has W10 lite edition with AAAAAAALLLLL the fluff removed from it... |
| 17:21 |
tenplus1 |
and even then it's still crap |
| 17:21 |
Mr-Pardison |
which is why I can't stand w10 |
| 17:21 |
* tenplus1 |
gives Fixer Xubuntu as well :D |
| 17:22 |
tenplus1 |
ooh, I wonder how far alone ReactOS has come... newest rendition is suppose to run w8/10 software now |
| 17:26 |
IcyDiamond |
rubenwardy: I see your content library got merged |
| 17:26 |
IcyDiamond |
:D |
| 17:26 |
tenplus1 |
w00t |
| 17:26 |
Krock |
tenplus1, but reactos can't be better than Wine because they depend on Wine :/ |
| 17:27 |
rdococ_ |
what? |
| 17:27 |
tenplus1 |
it's a standalone Os tho Krock for simple apps/software for like offices etc where you dont need a license or linux setp |
| 17:27 |
tenplus1 |
but yeah, prolly better with linux + wine |
| 17:28 |
rdococ_ |
Yays |
| 17:28 |
rdococ_ |
I will now reboot |
| 17:28 |
Krock |
but I like the idea of ReactOS to make a non-shitty Windows |
| 17:28 |
Fixer |
tenplus1: ubuntu future is uncertain |
| 17:28 |
Fixer |
hi Krock |
| 17:29 |
tenplus1 |
how you mean fixer ? |
| 17:29 |
Krock |
hi Fixer :) |
| 17:29 |
Krock |
I think Fixer means the data collecting which is apparently also a new feature |
| 17:30 |
tenplus1 |
lol, that's nothing to worry about... it's only during install to see which options you select and wether you have certain hardware... |
| 17:30 |
tenplus1 |
it's only to improve installer, nothing more |
| 17:30 |
Fixer |
tenplus1: it is that ipo and stuff corporate thing, ubuntu is milked out, brand is half-dead |
| 17:31 |
tenplus1 |
it's like anything else I suppose... can only use it and see where it heads :) |
| 17:32 |
Jordach |
just reimplement windows as a QT API |
| 17:32 |
tenplus1 |
lol |
| 17:34 |
tenplus1 |
Jordach: https://extonlinux.wordpress.com/2018/04/19/extix-18-4-the-ultimate-linux-system-with-lxqt-0-12-0-refracta-tools-calamares-installer-and-kernel-4-16-2-exton-build-180419/ |
| 17:35 |
Jordach |
ew |
| 17:36 |
Jordach |
what the actual absolute goatfuck of a shit site layout is that |
| 17:36 |
tenplus1 |
lol |
| 17:36 |
tenplus1 |
not so much the layout but the distro... full Qt lite |
| 17:37 |
tenplus1 |
:P |
| 17:38 |
Fixer |
okay, enough raging |
| 17:38 |
rdococ |
Back on xubuntu |
| 17:38 |
rdococ |
I feel yay |
| 17:38 |
Fixer |
while I AFK and forgive me for cursing this time and also develop MTG! develop MTG! develop MTG! |
| 17:38 |
rdococ |
It's okay if you curse, but don't ever mention YKW |
| 17:38 |
* rdococ |
has mentioned it a couple times before, and regrets it |
| 17:38 |
tenplus1 |
heh |
| 17:39 |
rdococ |
If you say its name, the company that has enveloped it will return and once more envelop a popular game |
| 17:39 |
rdococ |
Don't subject other games to the same fate as Minecraft...wait, crap |
| 17:40 |
Shara |
Fixer: Come help us :) |
| 17:40 |
tenplus1 |
hi shara |
| 17:40 |
Shara |
Hi ten :) |
| 17:42 |
rdococ |
Seems to take a long time to start applications for some reason |
| 17:44 |
rdococ |
Interesting, git didn't come pre-installed on this one |
| 17:44 |
tenplus1 |
rdococ: if you're on xubuntu just now do this: 1. open terminal. 2. type: sudo mousepad /etc/sysctl.conf 3. add this line to the end: vm.swappiness = 10 4. save and reset |
| 17:44 |
rdococ |
tenplus1, what does that do? |
| 17:44 |
tenplus1 |
also you can turn OFF desktop compositing to speed thigns up |
| 17:44 |
rdococ |
What's the default swappiness value and what does swappiness do? |
| 17:44 |
tenplus1 |
rdococ: it tells kernel to use available memory before touching swap partition, which increases speed when opening files |
| 17:45 |
tenplus1 |
my swappiness is 0... I dont use swap file with 4gb |
| 17:45 |
rdococ |
seriously, why isn't that on by default then? |
| 17:45 |
tenplus1 |
but setting to 10 is a good start (default is 60) |
| 17:46 |
tenplus1 |
dunno, they cater to many different hardwares... if they would tweak the distro with all these speed tips then xubun would fly |
| 17:46 |
Krock |
60 is way too high. I've set it to 20 and it works just fine |
| 17:46 |
rdococ |
I set it to 10 as eleven said |
| 17:46 |
rdococ |
although if things go wrong I might consider 20 |
| 17:47 |
Krock |
well yeah, 4 GB of memory only here |
| 17:47 |
tenplus1 |
you coudl also add the noatime to fstab but that has to be 100% or wont boot |
| 17:47 |
rdococ |
tenplus1 doesn't even use swap with 4gb ram though |
| 17:48 |
rdococ |
I set it to 20 to be safe |
| 17:48 |
tenplus1 |
during install I only have '/' partition set to 50gb and '/home' for rest of drive... no swap |
| 17:48 |
rdococ |
what happens if your RAM is full tho? |
| 17:48 |
tenplus1 |
if your ram is full then it uses swap :0 |
| 17:48 |
tenplus1 |
oh you mean MY ram... hah |
| 17:48 |
tenplus1 |
it never gets full |
| 17:48 |
rdococ |
what would happen if it did though? it's only 4gb |
| 17:48 |
Krock |
I think tenplus1 also doesn't run a compiler and Kdevelop/Atom in parallel |
| 17:49 |
Krock |
plus a few firefox processes |
| 17:49 |
rdococ |
fair point, I keep firefox open pretty much all the time |
| 17:49 |
* tenplus1 |
has IceWM, Chromium, Youtube, Pidgin, Git, Minetest, Mpv, Ublock and system monitors running and works perfectly |
| 17:49 |
rdococ |
and hexchat, but IRC clients don't usually require that much RAM, if I remember right |
| 17:49 |
rdococ |
tenplus1: tell us your black magic |
| 17:50 |
Krock |
Git, Pidgin, Mpv and Ublock don't use too much memory |
| 17:50 |
Krock |
Chrome is what hurts here |
| 17:51 |
tenplus1 |
chromium (not chrome) is tweaked and most settings turned off to keep ti fast and use little memory |
| 17:51 |
Krock |
ah, chromium :) |
| 17:51 |
Krock |
I've read it wrong |
| 17:51 |
tenplus1 |
would never use chrome... google messed that up |
| 17:51 |
rdococ |
ew, chrome |
| 17:51 |
rdococ |
Chromium or Firefox is the way to go |
| 17:53 |
rdococ |
libpng12-dev has no installation candidate, hm |
| 17:53 |
rdococ |
will libpng-dev suffice? |
| 17:53 |
rdococ |
(for Minetest) |
| 17:54 |
Krock |
real villains would run iexplore in Wine to use Gecko in the iconic M$ browser |
| 17:57 |
rdococ |
what about a linux emulator in wine |
| 17:59 |
tenplus1 |
:P |
| 18:05 |
rdococ |
run a linux emulator in Wine. in the emulated linux session, run iexplore in Wine to use Gecko in the iconic M$ browser |
| 18:05 |
Jordach |
you dawg |
| 18:05 |
Jordach |
-u |
| 18:05 |
Jordach |
i heard you like emulation |
| 18:06 |
rubenwardy |
Wine Is Not an Emulator though, Jordach |
| 18:06 |
rdococ |
I heard you like pedantry |
| 18:06 |
* tenplus1 |
has windows 10 in seamless mode, w10 bar at bottom, xubuntu bar at top and any program running in the middle :D |
| 18:06 |
rdococ |
Ew |
| 18:06 |
rdococ |
Why would you do that |
| 18:07 |
tenplus1 |
but only as a demo for clients to see WHAT it can do |
| 18:07 |
tenplus1 |
lol |
| 18:07 |
tenplus1 |
you couldnt pay me enough to use w10 |
| 18:08 |
Jordach |
>em·u·late |
| 18:08 |
Jordach |
>3. Computers To imitate the function of (another system), as by modifications to hardware or software that allow the imitating system to accept the same data, execute the same programs, and achieve the same results as the imitated system. |
| 18:08 |
rdococ |
hm, do you think Wine suits that definition? |
| 18:08 |
rubenwardy |
it's literally what Wine stands for, y'know |
| 18:08 |
* Jordach |
slaps rubenwardy with the oxford dictionary |
| 18:08 |
rdococ |
rubenwardy, IIRC it used to mean "Windows Emulator" |
| 18:09 |
rdococ |
hm |
| 18:09 |
rdococ |
my text box turned blue |
| 18:10 |
rdococ |
weird |
| 18:10 |
tenplus1 |
what prog ? |
| 18:10 |
rdococ |
hexchat using adwaita color scheme, if I remember correctly |
| 18:10 |
rdococ |
I switched back to the default though |
| 18:11 |
rubenwardy |
I had that issue |
| 18:11 |
rubenwardy |
since fixed it |
| 18:11 |
tenplus1 |
adwaita wasnt that great... wouldnt mind if they removed it completely and stuck with the rest |
| 18:11 |
rdococ |
I don't mind any color scheme as long as it isn't too dark |
| 18:11 |
rdococ |
s/color scheme/theme/ |
| 18:11 |
rdococ |
well, depends |
| 18:11 |
Krock |
but Wine is not an OS, which is why some issues can't be solved properly, such as resource management (writing/modifying dlls) |
| 18:12 |
rdococ |
but ReactOS is |
| 18:12 |
Krock |
yeah |
| 18:12 |
tenplus1 |
winetricks helps a lot as does PlayOnLinux |
| 18:13 |
rdococ |
ReactOS emulator |
| 18:13 |
rdococ |
ReaE: ReaE esda anegado Emulador in my made up language, Wigigitoghjr |
| 18:15 |
rdococ |
O_O |
| 18:16 |
rdococ |
I can run Minetest 0.5.0-dev singleplayer at a consistent 50 FPS now |
| 18:16 |
rdococ |
well, on a new world |
| 18:16 |
Mr-Pardison |
nice. |
| 18:16 |
rdococ |
without any mods other than MTG ones. |
| 18:16 |
Mr-Pardison |
oh. |
| 18:16 |
Mr-Pardison |
not very nice. |
| 18:16 |
rdococ |
Mr-Pardison, it's the best FPS I've ever gotten in that situation so it is nice for me |
| 18:16 |
rdococ |
unless I play on my tablet |
| 18:16 |
Mr-Pardison |
cuz default vanilla be a tad... how do I put this nicely... bland. |
| 18:16 |
tenplus1 |
:PP |
| 18:17 |
rdococ |
We all know that, you don't need to avoid saying it :P |
| 18:17 |
tenplus1 |
glad you got some sorta boost from it :D |
| 18:17 |
rdococ |
me too |
| 18:17 |
rdococ |
Kittens are fluffy, and really cute |
| 18:17 |
tenplus1 |
disable compositing and you'll get some more FPS on top of that |
| 18:18 |
Mr-Pardison |
shaders off too (depends on hardware tho) |
| 18:18 |
tenplus1 |
yeh, I even play with smooth lighting, clouds and fog disabled for max fps |
| 18:19 |
rdococ |
what's desktop compositing? |
| 18:19 |
Mr-Pardison |
having fog off makes the loading a bit jittery for me |
| 18:19 |
Mr-Pardison |
have to hop brb |
| 18:19 |
tenplus1 |
go into xubuntu settings, click windows advanced, compositing tab, disable |
| 18:19 |
tenplus1 |
it's jsut fancy effects like shadows on windows and fading in menu's etf |
| 18:19 |
tenplus1 |
c |
| 18:20 |
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| 18:20 |
tenplus1 |
o/ paramat |
| 18:20 |
rdococ |
I disabled desktop compositing for speed |
| 18:22 |
paramat |
hi. tenplus1 rdococ and others please restrain OS talk here, too much today, you could use #minetest-chat |
| 18:22 |
tenplus1 |
buuuuuuuu |
| 18:22 |
rdococ |
k |
| 18:22 |
tenplus1 |
:P |
| 18:22 |
rdococ |
wanna know why I prefer american spellings over british ones? |
| 18:23 |
tenplus1 |
? |
| 18:23 |
rdococ |
"Quick, type the word 'color' in 5 seconds or the world will be obliterated!" |
| 18:23 |
rdococ |
lol |
| 18:23 |
tenplus1 |
colour |
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| 18:24 |
tenplus1 |
wb mister |
| 18:24 |
rdococ |
colour takes more time to type, and every time you say it that time adds up |
| 18:26 |
paramat |
channel rules: "Please keep offtopic discussions short (under 50 lines). " :] |
| 18:26 |
Fixer |
back, [off] counts as offtopic? |
| 18:26 |
Fixer |
i have good news |
| 18:26 |
Krock |
without [off] or other offtopic this channel is dead :< |
| 18:27 |
rdococ |
paramat: Okay, so every 50 lines I will go to the toilet so we can restart the conversation |
| 18:27 |
rdococ |
jk :P |
| 18:27 |
Krock |
rdococ, flush the output afterwards |
| 18:27 |
Mr-Pardison |
and spray. |
| 18:27 |
rdococ |
lol |
| 18:35 |
rdococ |
iOS, ew |
| 18:40 |
Fixer |
new minetest name - Crafting |
| 18:40 |
Fixer |
Crafting.io |
| 18:41 |
paramat |
offtopic in small amounts is encouraged here. [off] is offtopic yes and not exception to the rule |
| 18:41 |
tenplus1 |
?? |
| 18:43 |
Fixer |
Voxels.io |
| 18:47 |
tenplus1 |
*now |
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| 18:49 |
tenplus1 |
wb |
| 18:51 |
* Jordach |
hits blunt, it's 4/20 |
| 18:51 |
tenplus1 |
happy 420 all |
| 18:51 |
rdococ |
Compiling backport-0.4 |
| 18:55 |
tenplus1 |
you running the 1-line script ? |
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| 18:58 |
tenplus1 |
rdococ: now you're running ubu you can go to minetest.net/downloads and get the latest build alreayd made for the os |
| 18:58 |
tenplus1 |
hi ssieb |
| 18:58 |
ssieb |
hi |
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| 19:04 |
rdococ |
tenplus1, I just compiled Minetest 0.5.0-dev and backport-0.4 |
| 19:04 |
tenplus1 |
sweet, how long did it take ? |
| 19:05 |
rdococ |
Uh oh, the backport-0.4 build failed |
| 19:05 |
rdococ |
/home/rdococ/minetest/backport-0.4/src/content_mapblock.cpp:55:1: error: the type ‘const v3s16 [8] {aka const irr::core::vector3d<short int> [8]}’ of constexpr variable ‘light_dirs’ is not literal |
| 19:05 |
tenplus1 |
I always go here for latest: https://code.launchpad.net/~minetestdevs/+archive/ubuntu/daily-builds/+packages |
| 19:05 |
rdococ |
I also just realized I forgot to enable cURL |
| 19:06 |
rdococ |
nvm, server list works anyway |
| 19:06 |
tenplus1 |
:P |
| 19:06 |
rdococ |
but my backport-0.4 build failed... o_O |
| 19:06 |
rdococ |
earlier today it succeeded |
| 19:07 |
rdococ |
There was a commit to backport-0.4 an hour ago |
| 19:07 |
tenplus1 |
is 0.4.17 final yet ? |
| 19:08 |
rdococ |
but it didn't change content_mapblock.cpp |
| 19:08 |
rdococ |
so now I'm confused |
| 19:33 |
IhrFussel |
0.4.17 should have been final by now...the news section of the forum states "15th April (maybe 2-3 days later)" |
| 19:33 |
Jordach |
>implying the core devs know something called time |
| 19:34 |
rubenwardy |
nerzhul shouldn't have made that forum topic tbh |
| 19:34 |
rubenwardy |
it's stupid |
| 19:35 |
rdococ |
we shouldn't rush the core devs |
| 19:36 |
rdococ |
granted, Minetest will probably be in constant development for the foreseeable future which is not a bad thing, but I don't think we should be rushing them for releases like 0.4.17 and 0.5.0 |
| 19:36 |
tenplus1 |
gonig by the bugs that have been found today I'll wait until it's final |
| 19:36 |
rdococ |
I am not used to playing Minetest at >15 FPS |
| 19:36 |
tenplus1 |
ehehe, turn off clouds and fog and smooth lighting and it goes up more |
| 19:39 |
tenplus1 |
nite folkso/// |
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| 19:41 |
rdococ |
I'm going to try that to see |
| 19:42 |
Krock |
rdococ, the human eye can't see faster than 10 FPS |
| 19:43 |
paramat |
opaque leaves makes a big difference to FPS, also master-disable shaders |
| 19:54 |
rdococ |
Hm, FPS cap seems to be 60 |
| 19:55 |
rdococ |
Krock: The rdococ eye can't see faster than 10 FPS when the rdococ eye is playing Minetest, but in all other situations the rdococ eye can distinguish 30 from 60 FPS |
| 19:56 |
rdococ |
paramat: Can confirm, it made a huge difference on my Debian installation |
| 19:56 |
rdococ |
especially if there were leaves around |
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| 21:11 |
rdococ |
One of the ideas Notch had for spawn eggs in YKW was that breeding would involve moving egg blocks around. Personally I find this idea pretty interesting and am sad nothing was done with it. Maybe we could create something similar as a Minetest mod? |
| 21:37 |
IcyDiamond |
Go ahead :p |
| 21:38 |
rdococ |
Eh, I'm too bored |
| 21:38 |
IcyDiamond |
Bored? Do it |
| 21:38 |
rdococ |
I meant tired |
| 21:38 |
IcyDiamond |
Take a nap |
| 21:39 |
rdococ |
NoOoO |
| 21:39 |
IcyDiamond |
You could pass that idea on to 10+1 |
| 21:39 |
rdococ |
I don't want to waste time |
| 21:41 |
rdococ |
I'd like a new skybox mode with four sets of six images - a skybox for midnight, sunrise, daytime and sunset - and blending between them based on the time of day. This mode would also have an option to show the sun and moon in the sky |
| 21:54 |
paramat |
usually when you have an idea you end up having to do it yourself ;] |
| 21:57 |
paramat |
maybe add this sky texture idea to the issue for it, has potential |
| 22:13 |
rdococ |
True, lol |
| 22:13 |
rdococ |
<rdococ> I don't want to waste time <- waste time sleeping, that is |
| 22:32 |
Jordach |
go fix it ;) |
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Jordach |
i see |
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xerox123 |
applies to everyone ^ |
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