Time Nick Message 00:27 sofar # journalctl --since=today |grep 42.7.26.61|wc -l 00:27 sofar 25554 00:27 sofar effin hell 00:28 rubenwardy what's journalctl? 00:29 * sofar smacks rubenwardy out of the pleistocene into the systemd age 00:29 rubenwardy I use systemd services 00:29 sofar man systemd-journald; man journalctl 00:29 rubenwardy just did 00:29 rubenwardy thank you for the help 00:29 rubenwardy so kind 00:29 rubenwardy :) 00:29 sofar lol 00:30 sofar I'm an rtfm kind of guy, sorry 00:32 sofar afk 02:04 rubenwardy does anyone know why I had to change the RPATH of an executable to use libs from /usr/local/lib? 02:33 rubenwardy argh 02:34 rubenwardy so it looks like I'm now building MinGW from scratch 03:40 BakerPrime AFK, BBT 03:49 BakerPrime I'm gonna AFK on the server overnight, to run my machines 03:49 BakerPrime oops 03:49 BakerPrime Wrong channel 07:44 rdococ Installing Minetest's dependencies, yay 07:48 rdococ Hi Krock. 07:48 rdococ I'm installing Minetest again. 07:49 Krock o/ 07:50 rdococ Deciding which directory to install it in... 07:53 rdococ maybe a folder ~/minetest containing different versions e.g. ~/minetest/master or ~/minetest/backport-0.4 08:08 rdococ O_O 08:08 rdococ MINETEST IS SO SMOOTH!!! IT'S NOT STRUGGLING! 08:08 rdococ Well, it's struggling a little but it can actually consistently achieve >30 08:08 rdococ Actually, it's a steady 50 08:09 rdococ Or 30, it changes a lot 09:17 rdococ Hi Fixer 09:18 Fixer hi 09:43 rdococ rubenwardy: Doesn't look like gold has much use in CTF. Maybe add an enchanting system using it? 10:07 tenplus1 hi folks 10:17 rdococ Helloyays 10:20 tenplus1 hi rdococ 10:22 tenplus1 saw the foru post from byakuren 10:22 tenplus1 *forum 10:25 * rdococ yays 10:27 tenplus1 monoids plays a good part in mod effects, but we need a base mod to handle said effects properly for monoids to use 10:38 rdococ monoids is super cool 10:40 tenplus1 agreed 10:43 rdococ I will yay 11:01 tenplus1 hey Krock 11:02 Krock hi tenplus1 11:02 * tenplus1 just found a funny bug in lucky blocks :D 11:04 tenplus1 if player gets lightning block any mods around them get hurt also, but since lightning does a punch using same entity id they end up killing themselves :D 11:05 tenplus1 hi Jordach 11:05 Jordach meow 11:05 tenplus1 ={o.o}= 11:12 Krock tenplus1, yes, I also noticed that on Ihr's server, where the server said "Stop hitting yourself" :D 11:13 tenplus1 that's a lucky block that caused player damage only :) 11:17 tenplus1 my fav. is the dry bush attack, replaces all of your inventory slots with dry grass after dropping all your items on the floor :D 11:23 tenplus1 when doing math.random() does it generate a random number based on the current time ? 11:30 Jordach apparently 11:31 tenplus1 ahh, if I put math.randomseed(os.time()) before it then it'll truly be random :D 11:31 Jordach http://lua-users.org/wiki/MathLibraryTutorial 11:32 Jordach there are a few caveats to doing that 11:32 tenplus1 yeah ? 11:33 Jordach for SP i just leave a small minetest.after constantly updating the seed with os.time in unix epoch divided by 4 then squared 11:34 Jordach it most certainly prevents any situation where gaming math.random 11:34 tenplus1 I wanted to make sure when choosing a lucky block from the list that it was truly random 11:35 tenplus1 it kinda felt like some ppl were getting the same kinds over and over 11:35 rubenwardy It'll never be truly random without quantum mechanicd 11:35 rubenwardy And getting the same thing over and over is normal 11:35 rubenwardy Random doesn't mean it'll be evenly distributed for small sample sizes 11:36 tenplus1 so sticking to a simple math.random(number) is fine ? 11:37 Jordach on BSD such as macOS it's worse 11:38 Jordach http://lua-users.org/lists/lua-l/2007-03/msg00564.html 11:39 tenplus1 erk, so skip the randomseed if it has issue 11:40 Jordach it's not randomseed with the issues 11:40 Jordach math.random is deterministic 11:41 Jordach the original elite for C64 that has to fit in 64k abused the fact that random numbers from a 0 entropy machine will always be deterministic 11:41 Jordach this also applies to every random number generator 11:41 Jordach it's why generating ssh keys want you to move your mouse 11:44 tenplus1 interesting 12:13 tenplus1 hi aerozoic, wb NathanS21 12:13 aerozoic hola tenplus1 12:13 NathanS21 hi tenplus1 12:14 aerozoic anybody changing the world today? 12:14 NathanS21 weathers too sloppy for that, hopefully I can start landscaping soon though. :) 12:14 aerozoic XD 12:15 NathanS21 That's about as close to any world changing as I'll ever do. 12:15 IhrFussel If I only allow A-Za-z0-9_- as name for the profile, can I safely put my profile page back online? 12:16 IhrFussel rubenwardy ^ 12:17 rubenwardy You should do that and also use php's file reading API 12:17 tenplus1 o/ fussel 12:17 IhrFussel rubenwardy, but the profiles are in a directory outside of /var/www which PHP cannot access AFAIK 12:18 rdococ Weird 12:18 rdococ Sometimes when I click 'exit to menu' the game exits completely 12:19 IhrFussel rdococ, I recently restarted my server and instead of showing me the "server shutting down" error, everything froze and the whole game closed (assuming segfault happened) 12:20 tenplus1 what build ? 12:20 lisac rubenwardy: just checked out the content library, it seems text doesn't split to new line 12:20 lisac hey tenplus1 12:20 tenplus1 hi lisac 12:20 rubenwardy Formspecs suck 12:20 IhrFussel tenplus1, server is 0.4.17 and client 0.4.16 12:21 lisac https://imgur.com/vtFQjKn 12:21 rdococ IhrFussel: 0.5.0 just quit on me when I was trying to exit to the main menu 12:21 rdococ the terminal logs are weird 12:22 rdococ and it wasn't a segfault either 12:22 lisac and also this https://imgur.com/fw8evPi 12:22 rdococ the last line was "7feda8494000-7feda8495000 r--pAborted (core dumped)" 12:22 rdococ is it to do with a recent commit? 12:25 Krock lisac, these text issues were already reported. Read-only textareas solve the first one 12:26 lisac that's the latest build 12:26 lisac as in, just pulled and compiled 12:26 Krock ikr 12:26 Mr_Pardison \o 12:26 Krock hi Mr_Pardison 12:27 tenplus1 hi mister 12:27 Mr_Pardison morning. 12:28 rdococ https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/7BWmKXSSPD/ 12:28 rdococ Sometimes when I exit to menu from a recent (I think latest) Minetest build I get that and it crashes (just exits completely) 12:31 tenplus1 hi Jordach 12:32 * Jordach shuts laptop lid 12:38 * rdococ turns Jordach into a laptop lid 12:39 tenplus1 :P 12:52 rdococ Hm, in YouKnowWhat you can rename items and tools with an anvil (you know, because everything we dare give a label to must be laid onto some big chunk of iron) 12:53 tenplus1 havnig an anvil would be nice 12:54 tenplus1 especially for fixing tools with their core metal.ore 12:54 rdococ although the fact that anvils fall in YKW is pretty funny 12:54 tenplus1 cartoon comedy :P 12:54 rdococ tenplus1: maybe an anvil could be like a furnace, requiring fuel + material to repair tools seeing as you need to heat metal to make it malleable 12:55 tenplus1 maybe only repairing tools IF a furnace is beside it containing fuel ? 12:55 rdococ although tbh merely crafting iron+ tools should require fuel and some time, seeing as you can't just bash three ingots together and make a pickaxe head 12:56 tenplus1 a tool forge would be nice 12:56 rdococ tenplus1: ooh, interesting idea 12:56 Mr-Pardison technic has an alloying furnace and a tool workshop (both MV iirc) 12:57 tenplus1 aww, they closed mah pull: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/5293 12:57 Mr-Pardison :/ 12:57 rdococ Ooh, IcyDiamond could add technic support to melterns so you can have technological tiers - technic metal casters and melters would require energy but be faster and be able to melt certain metlas that the normal ones can't 12:57 rdococ s/metlas/metals/ 12:58 tenplus1 could use clay to make a prcelain forge you fill with lava that can cast tools :D 12:58 Mr-Pardison what about grinding rarium or unobtanium (from xtraores iirc)? 12:58 Mr-Pardison ooohh... lava :) 12:59 rdococ I think damage from falling nodes should increase linearly with velocity 13:00 Jordach modname:falling_node_name 13:00 Jordach as the damage name 13:00 Jordach (see on_dieplayer or on_damage) 13:00 rdococ oh yea, damage and death reasons 13:01 rdococ cartoonish:falling_node_anvil 13:01 * Mr-Pardison drops an anvil on rdococ 13:01 * rdococ watches Mr-Pardison drop the anvil from directly above rdococ's head, dealing half a heart 13:02 Jordach thing is, tenplus1 the base tier of atvomat machines in SP are either fuelless or use coal 13:02 Mr-Pardison when one forgets an important param, something can (and probably will) go wrong. 13:02 Jordach there's a later upgrade for them to use a power network 13:04 tenplus1 you're right, falling nodes do need calculated damage depending on fall speed 13:04 Mr-Pardison and you're left with the need for a calculator. 13:04 rdococ and edible unicorns 13:05 Mr-Pardison why would you eat the unicorns? 13:05 tenplus1 rainbow goodness :P 13:05 Krock because of its taste? 13:05 Mr-Pardison IMO they are a great method of transportation. 13:05 Krock you can transport yourself faster if you eat unicorns 13:06 Mr-Pardison but if one is riding on the unicorn, wouldn't you have the same speed as when you ate one? 13:06 tenplus1 less weight so they go faster :D 13:08 tenplus1 might add a special item you can use on mob horses to turn them into flying unicorns 13:08 rdococ I once ate an ender pearl and entered my own stomach 13:08 tenplus1 messy visit 13:20 tenplus1 btw teleport potions work in the same way as ender pearls :D 13:23 rdococ You throw them? 13:23 rdococ teleport splash potions! 13:23 rdococ you create one with a piece of your DNA, and it makes a splash potion that teleports you when it hits the ground 13:23 rdococ then if you give it to someone else and they throw it, it teleports you instead! 13:23 tenplus1 yep... you can place for a 10 second window once coords set, or throw for short-distance jumps... or craft into pads for permanent teleportation 13:23 Mr-Pardison if they exploded near players, have them randomly teleported somewhere. 13:24 tenplus1 good idea, could make a tp bomb to do just that :D 13:25 rdococ I created a mod which modifies the builtin falling node entity to damage you based on its velocity when you are directly under it, so people that want the functionality can use the mod and people that don't can just not use the mod 13:25 tenplus1 kewl rdococ, add a pull to get that into the game :) 13:25 tenplus1 I already use the pull I uplaoded on Xanadu and players like it for mob traps etc 13:26 rdococ tenplus1: it's a Lua mod though, it's not meant to be in the engine or in builtin :P 13:26 tenplus1 you got a link ? 13:26 rdococ although it wouldn't be too difficult to modify to put it in the builtin 13:26 rdococ I haven't pushed it to github yet 13:26 rdococ I haven't reinstalled git yet, lol 13:27 tenplus1 ehehe 13:27 Mr-Pardison I'd love to make that not only for a mob trap but also for a player trap :D 13:27 rdococ nevermind, it came pre-installed 13:27 tenplus1 so when desert sand falls on players exploring below it hurts, and playerplus will also have if suffocate them if trapped inside 13:27 rdococ tenplus1: at the moment it works for all nodes (falling sand nodes will hurt you for example) 13:29 tenplus1 anvils should do the most damage if falling 13:30 rdococ you could send the velocity of the falling node to fall_hurt_check so it can calculate the damage 13:31 rdococ Minetest 0.5.0 just crashed on me again 13:31 rdococ Something weird is going on 13:31 tenplus1 the [falling_node_damage} group in my code could use it to deal full damage depending on vel... good idea 13:32 rdococ Also, when I died from testing falling node damage I didn't get teleported back to the home I set 13:33 tenplus1 did you sleep in a bed to set spawnpoint ? 13:34 rdococ I used /sethome 13:34 tenplus1 hrm, wonder what's going on with 0.5x that's got glitchesl ike this 13:35 rdococ Actually, home doesn't seem to be working, I spawn randomly between the two islands I'm testing on 13:35 tenplus1 crap 13:35 rdococ also, a shorter name for "falling_node_damage" could be "crush_damage" 13:36 rubenwardy IhrFussel: there's a reason PHP doesn't like you reading outside of var/www, and that's because it's a massive security issue with poorly written code 13:36 rubenwardy Either write the files to /var/www or change the php config to allow access to the data's folder 13:36 tenplus1 rdococ: we settled on falling_node_damage since falling_node is similar and they tie together 13:37 rdococ true 13:45 IhrFussel rubenwardy, I changed all shell_exec() to file_get_contents() and only allow A-Za-z0-9_- now ... I don't think there is any way for an exploit anymore 13:45 rubenwardy nice 13:45 rdococ and Minetest crashed again 13:45 rubenwardy do you use any SQL anywhere? Do you have sandboxing on in Minetest? 13:46 IhrFussel But there would still be one if . and / were allowed...then website visitors could potentially leave the hard coded directory by typing "/../../etc" 13:47 rubenwardy yeah, definitely avoid that 13:47 IhrFussel I use sqlite for the website's chat, but there are no senstive infos stored really (worst that can happen is access to PMs) 13:48 Krock HTML tags are already sanitized.. too bad :( 13:48 rubenwardy lol 13:49 rubenwardy yeah, don't do XSS 13:53 rdococ ew, xss 13:54 Krock yay NoScript 13:55 rdococ yay kittens 13:56 Fixer Noscript ftw, fuck JSmonkey, waiting for big Nuclear to erase this shit out of existance along with js-monkeys 13:57 Jordach World Ending Asteroid for 2020 13:57 Mr-Pardison Jordach: not an asteroid that will do that. 13:57 Mr-Pardison it's a tweet. 13:58 Jordach i'm with Fixer 13:58 Krock it's flash 13:58 Jordach fuck JS 13:59 tenplus1 so many bloated sites 13:59 Fixer flash is dead 14:05 Jordach yep, praise the damn iPhone for it 14:05 rubenwardy so are Weblets 14:05 rubenwardy Long live HTML5! 14:05 rubenwardy https://physics.rubenwardy.com was made because weblets suck 14:05 rdococ Noscript has yayed 14:06 Jordach rubenwardy: if it weren't for apple pushing it in 2008 with the iPhone we would still be using flash and java 14:06 tenplus1 flash usage has dropped from 29% in 2009 to 5% now 14:07 Jordach rubenwardy: your site works perfectly in safari 14:07 rubenwardy wooo 14:08 rubenwardy need to redesign the home page for that 14:08 CWz does it work in midori 14:08 rubenwardy include some fancy preview images 14:08 rubenwardy I use standard HTML5/JS, so hopefully 14:08 rubenwardy "standard" 14:08 CWz so no ie7/8 14:09 tenplus1 *shudder* 14:10 rdococ What is FSAA in the settings? 14:10 Jordach anti aliasin 14:10 Jordach aka, smoothed edges of blocks and everything instead of sharp edges 14:11 Fixer FSAA aka AA 14:11 Fixer also AF/AA was dream in 90s-2000s 14:11 Fixer maybe a little AF 2x 14:11 Fixer but no more 14:12 rdococ FSAA doesn't seem to be doing anything for me 14:19 rdococ hm 14:19 rdococ It'd be yay to set my FOV to 90 14:20 rdococ actually I'd like to see what 120 looks like 14:24 Jordach :thonk: 14:24 * rdococ looks up the meaning of thonking 14:24 Krock like :think: but with a string distance of 1 replacement char 14:25 rdococ how many dimensions is string space 14:26 rdococ clearly the string distance between a string, and a string with one letter removed or added is 1 14:26 rdococ what is the string distance between a string e.g. "think" and a string with a letter replaced by another e.g. "thonk"? 14:27 rdococ one character replacement = one character removal + one character addition 14:27 rdococ e.g. "think" can be transformed into "thonk" either by replacing the "i" with an "o", or by removing the "i" and adding an "o" in the middle 14:27 Krock rdococ, Levenshtein distance weight a replacement as 1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levenshtein_distance 14:27 rdococ ah 14:29 * rdococ pushes Krock two Levenshtein distance units, causing him to turn into Clock 14:29 * rdococ tells the time with Clock 14:36 rdococ I'm working on a mod that adds a weird line compass GUI 14:37 rdococ it adds a "compass" to the HUD that tells you which direction you're facing so you don't have to look at the debug info 14:37 Krock call it Yet Another Compass Mod 14:38 tenplus1 lol 14:41 rdococ who needs compasses when you have coordinates :P 14:42 tenplus1 who needs coordinates when you have landmarks 14:42 rdococ who needs landmarks when you have compasses 14:42 tenplus1 :P 14:42 ThomasMonroe :mind blown: circular reasoning 14:42 tenplus1 o/ thomas 14:43 rdococ spherical reasoning 14:43 Jordach doughnut reasoning 14:43 Mr-Pardison string theory reasoning. 14:43 ThomasMonroe klien reasoning 14:43 rdococ klein bottle reasoning 14:43 ThomasMonroe XD 14:43 rdococ mobius strip reasoning 14:44 ThomasMonroe tesseract reasoning 14:45 rdococ square reasoning 14:48 rdococ lol 14:48 tenplus1 youtube knows exactly what videos I watch online yet still fail to suggest anything I'd actually watch on my front page o.O 14:48 rdococ Some circular reasoning is pretty bad, but what really angers me is when people act like something is circular reasoning when it isn't 14:49 rdococ and I can tell because there's a flaw in the attempt to accuse the reasoning of being circular 14:49 rdococ I saw one image that suggested that some people think evidence isn't evidence, which confused me 14:49 Mr-Pardison they lack the evidence to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the reasoning is circular. 14:50 rdococ lol 14:50 rdococ you can tell if reasoning is circular just by looking at the reasoning itself, the context doesn't exactly matter as long as the conclusion is assumed in the premise 15:03 rubenwardy tenplus1: pretty sure monoids is supposed to be the base mod 15:03 tenplus1 only if things support it, but what I am hoping is that we get a base mod included in default 15:03 tenplus1 that way all the mods can use it without having to add support 15:04 tenplus1 like I mentioned before 3d_armor can override monoids easily 15:04 rubenwardy can do the same to your mod 15:05 tenplus1 huh ? 15:05 rubenwardy Biggest problem with monoids is it has monoids in its name 15:05 tenplus1 lol 15:06 rubenwardy If you put that in its name, no one will use it 15:06 tenplus1 if we include some sort of override setup in player mod and have modders use it for everyhitng it would be great 15:08 rdococ the player_monoids mod can do everything that physicsh and pova can do, and more 15:09 rdococ it should be used more often 15:09 tenplus1 it's a good mod that should use a base mod to apply effects 15:10 rdococ why though? 15:11 tenplus1 personally it can be a pain to use, but that's just me :P 15:12 tenplus1 custom functions etc. should be handled by the mod itself, no probs there, but base settings and control of overrides in default 15:15 tenplus1 lol fixer... wait until w10 spring creator update is out... will have many more issues 15:17 rdococ Windows 10 Minecraft Exclusivity Update™: Minetest suddenly gains a lot of popularity from former Linux Minecraft players™ 15:17 tenplus1 just sad that you need 2gb more memory to run it on top of winblows 15:18 rdococ I have USB flash drives but I don't know what to do with them™ 15:18 tenplus1 I have 1 suggestion :P 15:19 rdococ I don't think xfce realizes I have a battery 15:20 tenplus1 wb mister 15:21 tenplus1 rdococ: put this on one of your flashdrives: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current/HEADER.html 15:21 rdococ you want me to try out xubuntu? 15:21 Krock the stable is now definitely out now? 15:21 rdococ the stable for what? 15:22 tenplus1 this is final beta for the LTS release, final release date is 4 days but not much will change now 15:22 Krock s/stable/LTS/ 15:22 tenplus1 6 year support 15:22 rdococ how about you remind me in 4 days :P 15:22 tenplus1 sorry, 5 years 15:23 Mr_Pardison remind rdococ in 5 years? 15:23 Mr_Pardison wow. 15:23 tenplus1 lol, the daily will work perfectly fine :) and if anything changes within the 4 days it'll upadte for ya 15:23 rdococ lol 15:23 rdococ Sure, I can try it out 15:23 IhrFussel tenplus1, 5 years is only for Ubuntu, Xubuntu has 3 years support but still a lot 15:24 tenplus1 battery monitor now recognises my APC ups, and I like the do not disturb switch for popups 15:24 rdococ what is the difference between ubuntu and xubuntu? 15:24 IhrFussel The default DE 15:24 Krock and WM 15:24 rdococ ah 15:24 tenplus1 fussel, 5 years for ubuntu base which xubuntu is built on... all teh security and kernel and drivers 15:24 tenplus1 3 years for xfce basically but that's always in dev 15:25 IhrFussel tenplus1, https://xubuntu.org/release/18-04/ 15:25 tenplus1 :) still 5 years for base which is important 15:26 IhrFussel 3 years is a lot already...most people upgrade sooner to a new OS version if it exists 15:26 tenplus1 and within 2 years you'll have another LTS release anyway :D 15:26 tenplus1 yeah exactly fussel 15:27 rdococ Hm, 1.3 GB 15:27 tenplus1 hi icy 15:27 IhrFussel And there is (usually) no data loss since you can just upgrade your current system..no need to make a fresh install 15:27 rdococ My internet connection is pretty slow so a 1.3 GB file takes ~15-20 minutes 15:27 IcyDiamond Switched VPS provider 15:27 IcyDiamond Well, still working on it :P 15:27 tenplus1 has v6.02 of libreoffice which is good also 15:28 rdococ I also can't watch Youtube videos of Minetest gameplay while the download is ongoing because then download speed slows down to a crawl 15:28 tenplus1 heh 15:31 rdococ what kernel version is xubuntu based on? 15:31 IhrFussel 18.04 will be 4.15 15:31 IhrFussel 16.04 is 4.0 15:31 tenplus1 4.15.0-15 15:32 rdococ what about its daily build? 15:32 rdococ (today) 15:32 tenplus1 that is daily build ... I'm running it now :D 15:32 IhrFussel Should be 4.15 already since release is only a few days away 15:32 rdococ ah 15:32 tenplus1 and you can go to ubuntu's own kernel page and get 4.16 stable or 4.17 rc1 15:32 rdococ it's taking so long 15:33 IhrFussel Make sure that your CPU supports PAE (most CPUs since 2005 should) 15:33 rdococ PAE? 15:34 tenplus1 pae is for the 32-bit edition to use more than 3.5gb memory... if you use 64-bit it's not necessary 15:34 IhrFussel Xubuntu page states PAE is required 15:34 IhrFussel rdococ, cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep pae 15:34 tenplus1 checking 15:34 IhrFussel https://xubuntu.org/requirements/ 15:35 tenplus1 31down voteacceptedPAE stands for P-hysical A-ddress E-xtension to access 4 GiB RAM on 32-bit systems. This is not needed for a 64-bit Ubuntu. 15:36 IhrFussel "Your processor needs to support PAE in order to run Xubuntu." 15:36 tenplus1 yeah if you are using 32-bit version only 15:36 IhrFussel It doesn't say 32-bit anywhere 15:36 tenplus1 if it's 64-bit you're after it's ok 15:36 tenplus1 that's what PAE is fussel, as I posted above 15:37 rdococ I use 64-yay 15:37 tenplus1 :) same 15:37 rdococ and IPv8 15:37 tenplus1 lol 15:38 rdococ because I don't use 128-bit yet I decided to get a computer with PAE-64 on it so it could access more RAM™ 15:38 IhrFussel I'm asking #xubuntu ... maybe they require that CPU flag for something system related 15:39 * rdococ turns into a flag 15:39 sfan5 then they forgot to state that, pae is not needed on 64-bit 15:39 sfan5 in fact it makes zero sense on a 64-bit cpu 15:39 tenplus1 :) yeh... also hi sfan 15:40 * Mr_Pardison takes the flag and zooms away while being pursued by the other team trying to kill him and return the flag 15:40 tenplus1 CTF game active 15:40 IhrFussel Why is it even required then if it's only there to support more than 3.5 GB RAM? If my system is 32-bit and only got 1 or 2 GB RAM it shouldn't be required either 15:40 IhrFussel So poorly written? 15:41 tenplus1 some 32-bit systems with pae can access mroe than 4gb but at a speed penalty 15:42 sfan5 it's not required 15:42 sfan5 but none of that matter as you shouldn't be using a 32-bit CPU in 2018 15:43 Mr_Pardison well, what if you have an old laptop? 15:43 IhrFussel sfan5, but the xubuntu team wrote it down that way and I wonder how such an error can happen 15:43 Krock rdococ, I can't imagine the day where 64 bit aren't enough to address memory.. 15:43 sfan5 IhrFussel: instead of spelling out the very specific conditions in which PAE is not not needed they opted to say "PAE is required" 15:44 rdococ Krock: I'm from 3 years in the future, it's surprising how much RAM you need to simulate universes 15:44 IhrFussel They could at least have added "if you use 32-bit version" 15:44 rdococ we even had to make some compromises, such as never precisely keeping track of the position and momentum of any particle at the same time 15:45 IhrFussel Which would still be wrong since 32-bit should still work without PAE when theres < 3.5 GB RAM but it would confuse less people 15:46 rdococ I have 3.3 GiB of RAM™ 15:46 rdococ I need more rams™ 15:46 tenplus1 they did mention they would drop 32-bit support, but the fact that xubuntu still has 32-bit PAE is a good thing 15:47 * tenplus1 has 4gb (512mb for nvidia ion.2 mobile gfx) 15:47 rdococ ew, 32-bit 15:47 rubenwardy > 2018 15:47 rubenwardy > using 32-bit 15:47 rubenwardy ew 15:47 Jordach even my MBA is 64bit 15:48 Mr_Pardison I've got a 32-bit laptop. 15:48 tenplus1 then Xubuntu/Lubuntu will work on it :D 15:48 Mr_Pardison I've been meaning to upgrade to a newer one that is 64 bit but currently I can't afford to. 15:49 tenplus1 ebuyer.com has a 14" hd ready laptop for 110 with quad core and ips screen 15:51 Krock rubenwardy, something something using old but working hardware for good instead of throwing away 15:53 Mr_Pardison exactly. 15:53 Mr_Pardison if it still works, why chuck it? 15:53 IhrFussel Don't almost all smartphones still run with 32-bit? 15:55 Jordach no 15:55 rubenwardy not on iOS - you can't have 32bit apps on the store at all 15:55 Jordach android mostly is now 64bit from android 6 15:55 Jordach the major chunk of 32bit android is dominated by cheap chinese 32bit tablets running kitkat 15:57 Jordach (and are also woefully malware prone and already have it likely shipped out of the factory) 15:57 IhrFussel There are much more phones than just the usual flagship ones by Samsung, Huawei, LG etc ... there are thousands of models, not all "cheap Chinese" ones 15:58 IhrFussel The majority definitely still uses 32-bit CPUs 15:58 tenplus1 I still have a CompaqM2000 32-bit with 1gb memory and Intel gfx that works fine with linux :D 15:58 IhrFussel iPhone has market share of ~ 15% AFAIK 15:58 Jordach inb4 linux 5.0 phases out 32bit 15:59 Jordach then again, apple devices generally after a few years get jailbroken so the fun ride never ends 16:00 tenplus1 sucks having a closed system... jailbreak all da way 16:00 tenplus1 and w10 core will go the same way 16:01 Jordach tenplus1: i mean, i don't generally need much more than a few specific apps 16:01 tenplus1 if they are available in app store... what if they get removed, how would you get it on if no 3rd party apps 16:02 Jordach unlikely lmao 16:02 tenplus1 never say never :P 16:02 Jordach i don't play MT on a phone anyways 16:02 Jordach i'd either use a laptop with a mouse or a desktop 16:02 tenplus1 +1million 16:03 Jordach #neverMTmobile 16:03 Mr_Pardison survival, never when PvP is a common thing. 16:03 Mr_Pardison but the chat thing is the wurst since you can't scroll to see if you missed something. 16:03 Jordach mmm 16:03 Jordach speaking of which 16:04 Jordach when anarchy is in effect, people are generally well mannered 16:04 Jordach since a can kill b with the same weapons in reverse 16:04 Jordach rules just slow down the experience a big 16:04 Jordach bit 16:04 tenplus1 o.O 16:05 rdococ I restarted and it booted into mint, hmm 16:05 Jordach mint never handed me a complimentary set of tic tacs 16:05 rdococ Jordach never did either 16:05 tenplus1 mmm, tic tacs 16:05 Jordach oh you 16:08 Jordach tenplus1: 27C here and i've got a nice fan on my desk 16:08 tenplus1 nice... 16c here so far 16:08 Jordach reeeeee 16:09 Jordach got some zz top playing while devving solar plains 16:09 Jordach much more chilled 16:09 tenplus1 a programming atmosphere :P 16:10 Krock 28°C here. Time for some heavy compiling and coin mining 8) 16:10 Jordach kek 16:10 tenplus1 coin mining :) 16:11 * Jordach is now tempted to add a chance for mining any ore to randomly drop a bitcoin in addition to it's normal drop 16:12 tenplus1 that'd bew fun 16:13 Jordach it's not like Intro II takes the piss out of a certain bluehole corporation 16:13 IhrFussel sfan5, it *is* required, they just confirmed that in #xubuntu 16:14 sfan5 on 64-bit? 16:14 IhrFussel You *need* PAE if you use 32-bit even when it has less than 3.5 GB RAM ... so badly coded? 16:14 rdococ I can't seem to boot into the xubuntu live cd 16:14 sfan5 I doubt that 16:14 sfan5 unless they for some reason disabled non-pae in the linux kernel 16:14 sfan5 which makes no sense at all 16:14 tenplus1 pae isnt needed for 64-bit... 16:15 rdococ When I restart, it boots into mint, and I'm pretty sure OS boot order is set to USB flash drive first 16:15 tenplus1 18.04 see's them remove 32-bit support for 18.04 but xubuntu/lubuntu is keeping it... xubuntu with pae and lubuntu without pae 16:15 rdococ should I try to burn the iso again? 16:15 IhrFussel "The 32bit kernel is compiled by default with Physical Address Extensions enabled, at some point in the past it was not" 16:16 IhrFussel Since 64bit CPUs don't have PAE, the author likely didn't bother specifying << that is wrong, my CPU has PAE and is 64-bit 16:18 sfan5 64-bit CPUs have PAE in 32-bit mode 16:18 tenplus1 :P 16:18 sfan5 it makes zero sense in 64-bit 16:19 IhrFussel My OS is 64-bit...I think /proc/cpuinfo just lists the total features of the CPU 16:21 * tenplus1 noms pizza 16:21 Jordach oo 16:32 Fixer *,,,,,,* 16:34 tenplus1 *shares le pizza [chicken korma]* 16:34 Jordach no 16:34 Jordach no u 16:34 tenplus1 hi Darcidride 16:38 rdococ I can't seem to run the xubuntu live cd 16:39 tenplus1 how did you make it into a live usb ? 16:40 rdococ dd command 16:41 rdococ same thing I did with the mint live cd 16:41 tenplus1 strange, should work same way... unless image is corrupt 16:41 rdococ also, I can't seem to access boot settings when booting up mint 16:41 tenplus1 holding shift ? 16:42 rdococ good point 16:42 rdococ I'll compare the checksum 16:44 rdococ they match perfectly 16:44 rdococ well, I'm gonna try again but hold shift this tme 16:44 rdococ s/tme/time/ 16:45 tenplus1 ddrescue can be used also 16:45 tenplus1 https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-create-a-bootable-ubuntu-18-04-bionic-usb-stick-on-linux 16:46 IcyDiamond gcc takes a while to compile 16:53 tenplus1 wb 16:54 tenplus1 o/ 16:56 rdococ_ I am on the xubuntu live cd 16:56 tenplus1 w00t, it worked :D 16:56 tenplus1 what did you do different ? 16:56 rdococ_ Yay 16:56 rdococ_ Held shift during the boot 16:57 tenplus1 kewl :) glad it worked... check out the "do not disturb" icon in top right :D 16:57 rdococ_ Kewl 16:58 rdococ_ ooh, kernel version is 4.15.0 16:58 tenplus1 yup :) you got latest, so if you're using amd/redeon graphics you get a boost 16:58 rdococ_ Another boost? 16:58 tenplus1 open terminal, do: sudo apt-get install minetest 16:58 rdococ_ O_O 16:58 tenplus1 check it out see if it's faster 16:58 rdococ_ I already got a huge boost from 4.9.0 to 4.10.0 16:59 tenplus1 amd open-source gfx have come a loooooooong way in 4.15 16:59 rdococ_ Yay 16:59 rdococ_ I will definitely install xubuntu then 16:59 rdococ_ Wonder if I should dual-boot xubuntu and mint 16:59 tenplus1 try them both live for a day (that's what I do) and isntall your fav. :D 17:00 rdococ_ I already installed mint though 17:00 Mr-Pardison tenplus1: what's the node with the name "sandy" in ethereal? 17:00 tenplus1 hahahaha, kewl 17:00 tenplus1 ethereal:sandy is an ore sand that grows seaweed and coral on top of it when underwater :D 17:00 tenplus1 when dug it's default sand unless you use the crystal shovel to pick it up 17:00 Mr-Pardison oh. 17:01 Mr-Pardison I typically use a c-shovel whenever I'm digging. 17:01 Mr-Pardison thx. 17:01 Jordach :thonking: 17:01 tenplus1 has soft touch so you can pickup sandy, quicksand, dirt with grass on it and sometimes full pie/cakes 17:01 rdococ_ Looks like the installation process is the same 17:02 Mr-Pardison I like quicksand + gravel + water for a certain death trap (protected ofc) 17:02 tenplus1 mwhehehe... kinad wish the disable_jump group worked in liquids tho and stopped you swimming up 17:02 tenplus1 would make it more lethal 17:02 rdococ_ Okay, poll: Should I dualboot Mint + Xubuntu or wipe Mint? 17:03 Mr-Pardison oh the trap works best when they are on a boat 17:03 tenplus1 your hdd is large enough to handle both :) why not 17:04 tenplus1 if you use the mushroom pore block it stops players jumping altogether and has no fall damage if you fall on it 17:04 rdococ_ tenplus1: my HDD is large enough to hold at least 4 distros at once 17:04 rdococ_ 250 GB per distro 17:05 tenplus1 that way you can test both for a while and settle on the one ya like more (or keep[ both) 17:05 rdococ_ I don't need several environments for day-to-day life but I guess I could test both for a while 17:05 tenplus1 cinnamon is a great desktop but a tad heavier on resources... which is why I like xfce better 17:06 rdococ_ Hmm, how should I divide the partition 17:06 rdococ_ maybe half and half? 17:06 tenplus1 keep it simple, yeah :D 17:06 Mr-Pardison I use pores at the bottom of a deep shaft to keep from dying., 17:06 rdococ_ I'm going to give slightly more to xubuntu because why not 17:07 tenplus1 I have slimes on xanadu drop slimeballs that can be made into slime blocks which let you bounce with 90% efficiency 17:07 rdococ_ only ~3 more GB anyway... which is nearly my entire RAM, funnily enough 17:07 rdococ_ my HDD holds 1 TB but I only have 4 GB / 3.3 GiB of RAM 17:07 rdococ_ My laptop is a funny lil' thing 17:07 tenplus1 sounds like a good spec :P 17:08 rdococ_ I'd honestly prefer to sacrifice some HDD space for more RAM 17:08 rdococ_ 4 GB is barely any 17:08 tenplus1 I used 2gb for the longest time and only upgraded to 4gb in december :P 17:08 rdococ_ 2gb? O_O 17:08 tenplus1 my complete desktop only uses 140mb 17:08 rdococ_ I don't even think you can run Windows on 2gb 17:09 rdococ_ but then again, Windows is a RAMHog 17:09 * tenplus1 likes to optimize his linux install 17:09 rdococ_ do you mean RAM or disk space? 17:09 tenplus1 ram... 140mb ram sitting on a fully loaded IceWM desktop 17:10 tenplus1 I hate that windows10 sits at roughly 1.4gb just for the Os alone 17:10 Fixer windows + firefox on 2GB is ununsable piece of shiit 17:10 rdococ_ Yay, I will officially be dualbooting two Linux distros 17:10 Fixer i have proofs 17:10 tenplus1 w00t! 17:10 Fixer it is constant swap-shit 17:10 rdococ_ if nothing goes horribly wrong 17:10 tenplus1 lol, hopefully not :P 17:11 Fixer can;t shut that shit down literally, i have no idea why it goes into god damn swap when there is some free ram 17:11 Fixer it is annoying 17:11 Fixer it even sucks on 3GB ram 17:11 tenplus1 fixer, edit the /etc/sysctl.conf file and add this to the end: vm.swappiness = 10 17:11 rdococ_ if it does I'll reboot the xubuntu live image and wipe everything and install xubuntu, so there's no way my laptop will crap out entirely, at least... wait, a message popped up while I was typing 17:11 tenplus1 it'll use available ram until last 10% and only then switch to swap 17:11 Fixer tenplus1: i was talking about Shindows 7 17:11 tenplus1 ohhhh... ahahaha 17:12 tenplus1 I usually turn swap off and apple a registry fix 17:12 Fixer linux probably has no such problem 17:12 Fixer but in windows it is ridiculous 17:12 tenplus1 windows sucketh 17:12 Fixer windows boot is ridiculously sloow too 17:12 Fixer many minutes 17:14 Fixer i've looked deep into it 17:14 Fixer very deep 17:14 Fixer too deep 17:14 Fixer the only way is probably to ditch that firefox crap 17:14 Fixer and windows itself 17:14 tenplus1 I agree, move to linux 100% 17:14 Fixer it is rage inducing 17:14 Fixer literally 17:15 tenplus1 I hate it when a client has w10 on their laptop/pc and the problems they are having is windows itself 17:15 Fixer every time i sit to that 3GB ram laptop, i wonder why the -----------------------ck it is soo slow? My W98SE 900MHz was amazingly fastest compared to this lenovo garbage 17:16 Mr-Pardison Fixer, tenplus1: this is why we always abandon crapdows at the first chance we have (especially v 10) 17:16 tenplus1 xp and win7 were there best options, after that it's downhill all the way 17:16 Fixer it just reads and writes into swap for some reason, what a bitch 17:16 Fixer disc is trashed like ---- 17:16 Krock Me (front) vs The One She Told Me Not To Worry About (back) https://i.imgur.com/2gv3rZF.png 17:16 Fixer constant i/o 17:16 Fixer i've looked into everything 17:16 Fixer i know the way to fix this 17:16 tenplus1 lol 17:16 Fixer upgrade to Windows XP 17:16 Fixer everything past XP is slow AF 17:16 rdococ_ lol 17:17 Fixer you can't imagine how painfully slow is 7 or 10 on 2-3gb laptops 17:17 Fixer it is just shiiit 17:17 Fixer you hate everything 17:17 rdococ_ wat 17:17 rdococ_ 2-3gb ram? 17:17 Fixer while working on it 17:17 rdococ_ even I have more RAM than that 17:17 tenplus1 and the worst part is that microcrap is forcing games to run w10 only... I hope WINE has a gaming layer added for this soon 17:18 Fixer yeah 17:18 Fixer not into a new games though 17:18 Fixer fuck miners along the way 17:18 tenplus1 steam for windows in wine runs pretty well in xubu 18.04 (all latest release) 17:19 Fixer I RUN GTA SA on 256MB ram PC with Windows XP literally, and this POS can't handle that POS-Firefox 17:19 tenplus1 ahahaha... 17:20 tenplus1 try Chromium (NOT chrome) is pretty good 17:20 Fixer i know that XP will run best 17:20 Fixer it is just bare OS mostly 17:20 Fixer without that nanny NSA shit 17:21 Fixer doing mindless constant tasks, raping my disk i/o 17:21 Fixer gtfo microsoft 17:21 * tenplus1 has W10 lite edition with AAAAAAALLLLL the fluff removed from it... 17:21 tenplus1 and even then it's still crap 17:21 Mr-Pardison which is why I can't stand w10 17:21 * tenplus1 gives Fixer Xubuntu as well :D 17:22 tenplus1 ooh, I wonder how far alone ReactOS has come... newest rendition is suppose to run w8/10 software now 17:26 IcyDiamond rubenwardy: I see your content library got merged 17:26 IcyDiamond :D 17:26 tenplus1 w00t 17:26 Krock tenplus1, but reactos can't be better than Wine because they depend on Wine :/ 17:27 rdococ_ what? 17:27 tenplus1 it's a standalone Os tho Krock for simple apps/software for like offices etc where you dont need a license or linux setp 17:27 tenplus1 but yeah, prolly better with linux + wine 17:28 rdococ_ Yays 17:28 rdococ_ I will now reboot 17:28 Krock but I like the idea of ReactOS to make a non-shitty Windows 17:28 Fixer tenplus1: ubuntu future is uncertain 17:28 Fixer hi Krock 17:29 tenplus1 how you mean fixer ? 17:29 Krock hi Fixer :) 17:29 Krock I think Fixer means the data collecting which is apparently also a new feature 17:30 tenplus1 lol, that's nothing to worry about... it's only during install to see which options you select and wether you have certain hardware... 17:30 tenplus1 it's only to improve installer, nothing more 17:30 Fixer tenplus1: it is that ipo and stuff corporate thing, ubuntu is milked out, brand is half-dead 17:31 tenplus1 it's like anything else I suppose... can only use it and see where it heads :) 17:32 Jordach just reimplement windows as a QT API 17:32 tenplus1 lol 17:34 tenplus1 Jordach: https://extonlinux.wordpress.com/2018/04/19/extix-18-4-the-ultimate-linux-system-with-lxqt-0-12-0-refracta-tools-calamares-installer-and-kernel-4-16-2-exton-build-180419/ 17:35 Jordach ew 17:36 Jordach what the actual absolute goatfuck of a shit site layout is that 17:36 tenplus1 lol 17:36 tenplus1 not so much the layout but the distro... full Qt lite 17:37 tenplus1 :P 17:38 Fixer okay, enough raging 17:38 rdococ Back on xubuntu 17:38 rdococ I feel yay 17:38 Fixer while I AFK and forgive me for cursing this time and also develop MTG! develop MTG! develop MTG! 17:38 rdococ It's okay if you curse, but don't ever mention YKW 17:38 * rdococ has mentioned it a couple times before, and regrets it 17:38 tenplus1 heh 17:39 rdococ If you say its name, the company that has enveloped it will return and once more envelop a popular game 17:39 rdococ Don't subject other games to the same fate as Minecraft...wait, crap 17:40 Shara Fixer: Come help us :) 17:40 tenplus1 hi shara 17:40 Shara Hi ten :) 17:42 rdococ Seems to take a long time to start applications for some reason 17:44 rdococ Interesting, git didn't come pre-installed on this one 17:44 tenplus1 rdococ: if you're on xubuntu just now do this: 1. open terminal. 2. type: sudo mousepad /etc/sysctl.conf 3. add this line to the end: vm.swappiness = 10 4. save and reset 17:44 rdococ tenplus1, what does that do? 17:44 tenplus1 also you can turn OFF desktop compositing to speed thigns up 17:44 rdococ What's the default swappiness value and what does swappiness do? 17:44 tenplus1 rdococ: it tells kernel to use available memory before touching swap partition, which increases speed when opening files 17:45 tenplus1 my swappiness is 0... I dont use swap file with 4gb 17:45 rdococ seriously, why isn't that on by default then? 17:45 tenplus1 but setting to 10 is a good start (default is 60) 17:46 tenplus1 dunno, they cater to many different hardwares... if they would tweak the distro with all these speed tips then xubun would fly 17:46 Krock 60 is way too high. I've set it to 20 and it works just fine 17:46 rdococ I set it to 10 as eleven said 17:46 rdococ although if things go wrong I might consider 20 17:47 Krock well yeah, 4 GB of memory only here 17:47 tenplus1 you coudl also add the noatime to fstab but that has to be 100% or wont boot 17:47 rdococ tenplus1 doesn't even use swap with 4gb ram though 17:48 rdococ I set it to 20 to be safe 17:48 tenplus1 during install I only have '/' partition set to 50gb and '/home' for rest of drive... no swap 17:48 rdococ what happens if your RAM is full tho? 17:48 tenplus1 if your ram is full then it uses swap :0 17:48 tenplus1 oh you mean MY ram... hah 17:48 tenplus1 it never gets full 17:48 rdococ what would happen if it did though? it's only 4gb 17:48 Krock I think tenplus1 also doesn't run a compiler and Kdevelop/Atom in parallel 17:49 Krock plus a few firefox processes 17:49 rdococ fair point, I keep firefox open pretty much all the time 17:49 * tenplus1 has IceWM, Chromium, Youtube, Pidgin, Git, Minetest, Mpv, Ublock and system monitors running and works perfectly 17:49 rdococ and hexchat, but IRC clients don't usually require that much RAM, if I remember right 17:49 rdococ tenplus1: tell us your black magic 17:50 Krock Git, Pidgin, Mpv and Ublock don't use too much memory 17:50 Krock Chrome is what hurts here 17:51 tenplus1 chromium (not chrome) is tweaked and most settings turned off to keep ti fast and use little memory 17:51 Krock ah, chromium :) 17:51 Krock I've read it wrong 17:51 tenplus1 would never use chrome... google messed that up 17:51 rdococ ew, chrome 17:51 rdococ Chromium or Firefox is the way to go 17:53 rdococ libpng12-dev has no installation candidate, hm 17:53 rdococ will libpng-dev suffice? 17:53 rdococ (for Minetest) 17:54 Krock real villains would run iexplore in Wine to use Gecko in the iconic M$ browser 17:57 rdococ what about a linux emulator in wine 17:59 tenplus1 :P 18:05 rdococ run a linux emulator in Wine. in the emulated linux session, run iexplore in Wine to use Gecko in the iconic M$ browser 18:05 Jordach you dawg 18:05 Jordach -u 18:05 Jordach i heard you like emulation 18:06 rubenwardy Wine Is Not an Emulator though, Jordach 18:06 rdococ I heard you like pedantry 18:06 * tenplus1 has windows 10 in seamless mode, w10 bar at bottom, xubuntu bar at top and any program running in the middle :D 18:06 rdococ Ew 18:06 rdococ Why would you do that 18:07 tenplus1 but only as a demo for clients to see WHAT it can do 18:07 tenplus1 lol 18:07 tenplus1 you couldnt pay me enough to use w10 18:08 Jordach >em·u·late 18:08 Jordach >3. Computers To imitate the function of (another system), as by modifications to hardware or software that allow the imitating system to accept the same data, execute the same programs, and achieve the same results as the imitated system. 18:08 rdococ hm, do you think Wine suits that definition? 18:08 rubenwardy it's literally what Wine stands for, y'know 18:08 * Jordach slaps rubenwardy with the oxford dictionary 18:08 rdococ rubenwardy, IIRC it used to mean "Windows Emulator" 18:09 rdococ hm 18:09 rdococ my text box turned blue 18:10 rdococ weird 18:10 tenplus1 what prog ? 18:10 rdococ hexchat using adwaita color scheme, if I remember correctly 18:10 rdococ I switched back to the default though 18:11 rubenwardy I had that issue 18:11 rubenwardy since fixed it 18:11 tenplus1 adwaita wasnt that great... wouldnt mind if they removed it completely and stuck with the rest 18:11 rdococ I don't mind any color scheme as long as it isn't too dark 18:11 rdococ s/color scheme/theme/ 18:11 rdococ well, depends 18:11 Krock but Wine is not an OS, which is why some issues can't be solved properly, such as resource management (writing/modifying dlls) 18:12 rdococ but ReactOS is 18:12 Krock yeah 18:12 tenplus1 winetricks helps a lot as does PlayOnLinux 18:13 rdococ ReactOS emulator 18:13 rdococ ReaE: ReaE esda anegado Emulador in my made up language, Wigigitoghjr 18:15 rdococ O_O 18:16 rdococ I can run Minetest 0.5.0-dev singleplayer at a consistent 50 FPS now 18:16 rdococ well, on a new world 18:16 Mr-Pardison nice. 18:16 rdococ without any mods other than MTG ones. 18:16 Mr-Pardison oh. 18:16 Mr-Pardison not very nice. 18:16 rdococ Mr-Pardison, it's the best FPS I've ever gotten in that situation so it is nice for me 18:16 rdococ unless I play on my tablet 18:16 Mr-Pardison cuz default vanilla be a tad... how do I put this nicely... bland. 18:16 tenplus1 :PP 18:17 rdococ We all know that, you don't need to avoid saying it :P 18:17 tenplus1 glad you got some sorta boost from it :D 18:17 rdococ me too 18:17 rdococ Kittens are fluffy, and really cute 18:17 tenplus1 disable compositing and you'll get some more FPS on top of that 18:18 Mr-Pardison shaders off too (depends on hardware tho) 18:18 tenplus1 yeh, I even play with smooth lighting, clouds and fog disabled for max fps 18:19 rdococ what's desktop compositing? 18:19 Mr-Pardison having fog off makes the loading a bit jittery for me 18:19 Mr-Pardison have to hop brb 18:19 tenplus1 go into xubuntu settings, click windows advanced, compositing tab, disable 18:19 tenplus1 it's jsut fancy effects like shadows on windows and fading in menu's etf 18:19 tenplus1 c 18:20 tenplus1 o/ paramat 18:20 rdococ I disabled desktop compositing for speed 18:22 paramat hi. tenplus1 rdococ and others please restrain OS talk here, too much today, you could use #minetest-chat 18:22 tenplus1 buuuuuuuu 18:22 rdococ k 18:22 tenplus1 :P 18:22 rdococ wanna know why I prefer american spellings over british ones? 18:23 tenplus1 ? 18:23 rdococ "Quick, type the word 'color' in 5 seconds or the world will be obliterated!" 18:23 rdococ lol 18:23 tenplus1 colour 18:24 tenplus1 wb mister 18:24 rdococ colour takes more time to type, and every time you say it that time adds up 18:26 paramat channel rules: "Please keep offtopic discussions short (under 50 lines). " :] 18:26 Fixer back, [off] counts as offtopic? 18:26 Fixer i have good news 18:26 Krock without [off] or other offtopic this channel is dead :< 18:27 rdococ paramat: Okay, so every 50 lines I will go to the toilet so we can restart the conversation 18:27 rdococ jk :P 18:27 Krock rdococ, flush the output afterwards 18:27 Mr-Pardison and spray. 18:27 rdococ lol 18:35 rdococ iOS, ew 18:40 Fixer new minetest name - Crafting 18:40 Fixer Crafting.io 18:41 paramat offtopic in small amounts is encouraged here. [off] is offtopic yes and not exception to the rule 18:41 tenplus1 ?? 18:43 Fixer Voxels.io 18:47 tenplus1 *now 18:49 tenplus1 wb 18:51 * Jordach hits blunt, it's 4/20 18:51 tenplus1 happy 420 all 18:51 rdococ Compiling backport-0.4 18:55 tenplus1 you running the 1-line script ? 18:58 tenplus1 rdococ: now you're running ubu you can go to minetest.net/downloads and get the latest build alreayd made for the os 18:58 tenplus1 hi ssieb 18:58 ssieb hi 19:04 rdococ tenplus1, I just compiled Minetest 0.5.0-dev and backport-0.4 19:04 tenplus1 sweet, how long did it take ? 19:05 rdococ Uh oh, the backport-0.4 build failed 19:05 rdococ /home/rdococ/minetest/backport-0.4/src/content_mapblock.cpp:55:1: error: the type ‘const v3s16 [8] {aka const irr::core::vector3d [8]}’ of constexpr variable ‘light_dirs’ is not literal 19:05 tenplus1 I always go here for latest: https://code.launchpad.net/~minetestdevs/+archive/ubuntu/daily-builds/+packages 19:05 rdococ I also just realized I forgot to enable cURL 19:06 rdococ nvm, server list works anyway 19:06 tenplus1 :P 19:06 rdococ but my backport-0.4 build failed... o_O 19:06 rdococ earlier today it succeeded 19:07 rdococ There was a commit to backport-0.4 an hour ago 19:07 tenplus1 is 0.4.17 final yet ? 19:08 rdococ but it didn't change content_mapblock.cpp 19:08 rdococ so now I'm confused 19:33 IhrFussel 0.4.17 should have been final by now...the news section of the forum states "15th April (maybe 2-3 days later)" 19:33 Jordach >implying the core devs know something called time 19:34 rubenwardy nerzhul shouldn't have made that forum topic tbh 19:34 rubenwardy it's stupid 19:35 rdococ we shouldn't rush the core devs 19:36 rdococ granted, Minetest will probably be in constant development for the foreseeable future which is not a bad thing, but I don't think we should be rushing them for releases like 0.4.17 and 0.5.0 19:36 tenplus1 gonig by the bugs that have been found today I'll wait until it's final 19:36 rdococ I am not used to playing Minetest at >15 FPS 19:36 tenplus1 ehehe, turn off clouds and fog and smooth lighting and it goes up more 19:39 tenplus1 nite folkso/// 19:41 rdococ I'm going to try that to see 19:42 Krock rdococ, the human eye can't see faster than 10 FPS 19:43 paramat opaque leaves makes a big difference to FPS, also master-disable shaders 19:54 rdococ Hm, FPS cap seems to be 60 19:55 rdococ Krock: The rdococ eye can't see faster than 10 FPS when the rdococ eye is playing Minetest, but in all other situations the rdococ eye can distinguish 30 from 60 FPS 19:56 rdococ paramat: Can confirm, it made a huge difference on my Debian installation 19:56 rdococ especially if there were leaves around 21:11 rdococ One of the ideas Notch had for spawn eggs in YKW was that breeding would involve moving egg blocks around. Personally I find this idea pretty interesting and am sad nothing was done with it. Maybe we could create something similar as a Minetest mod? 21:37 IcyDiamond Go ahead :p 21:38 rdococ Eh, I'm too bored 21:38 IcyDiamond Bored? Do it 21:38 rdococ I meant tired 21:38 IcyDiamond Take a nap 21:39 rdococ NoOoO 21:39 IcyDiamond You could pass that idea on to 10+1 21:39 rdococ I don't want to waste time 21:41 rdococ I'd like a new skybox mode with four sets of six images - a skybox for midnight, sunrise, daytime and sunset - and blending between them based on the time of day. This mode would also have an option to show the sun and moon in the sky 21:54 paramat usually when you have an idea you end up having to do it yourself ;] 21:57 paramat maybe add this sky texture idea to the issue for it, has potential 22:13 rdococ True, lol 22:13 rdococ I don't want to waste time <- waste time sleeping, that is 22:32 Jordach go fix it ;) 22:33 Jordach i see 22:35 xerox123 applies to everyone ^