| Time |
Nick |
Message |
| 00:00 |
paramat |
the niggest issue i see with servers is the automatic use of hundreds of mods, many badly coded and over intensive, then complaints about performance and MT devs getting the blame. but, it's expected from kids who don't know better yet |
| 00:02 |
paramat |
tumeninodes just add new registration functions, copypaste them from the others, and change the nodebox def as i showed you on github |
| 00:03 |
paramat |
oops, *biggest heh |
| 00:03 |
sfan5 |
<VanessaE> (to me, the solution is simple: perform the compositing one time only, and "re-render" only the completed, static image) |
| 00:03 |
sfan5 |
fyi that's what MT actually does |
| 00:04 |
sfan5 |
i'm not sure if it does a lookup of textures every frame or how that works, but the tile.cpp code will cache any applied modifiers |
| 00:05 |
paramat |
we are always working on improving performance, just a case of dev time, not a case of neglect as some believe |
| 00:07 |
paramat |
server owners just have to work within current limits instead of overloading MT |
| 00:07 |
Shara |
paramat: we know, but there definitely are issues which it is not easy for server owners to overcome |
| 00:08 |
Shara |
It's about placing blame (at least for me) anyway |
| 00:08 |
Shara |
It's not* |
| 00:08 |
Shara |
Heh, bad typo |
| 00:09 |
Shara |
The issue for me is how difficult it becomes to maintain a server over time when the auth file gets bigger and bigger (that practically broke my server at one point due to the insane amount of checks being done on such a large file)... then the map becoming increasingly larger and more and more difficult to work with |
| 00:10 |
Shara |
The solutions are not always easy though. |
| 00:10 |
Shara |
And sometimes it's just about adjusting expectations instead |
| 00:12 |
paramat |
yeah, there are issues |
| 00:13 |
paramat |
stuff that simply isn't acceptable |
| 00:13 |
paramat |
ugh this 4w / linuxdirk guy ^_^ |
| 00:14 |
Shara |
I suspect server owners start "blaming" devs so often for things because features get introduced that we don't want or actively dislike (sometimes very strongly), and from the outside it can seem that developer time is much better spent on fixing the issues and not adding new headaches. |
| 00:14 |
paramat |
i agree with you there :] |
| 00:14 |
Shara |
REality doesn't go that way of course, because volunteers. |
| 00:14 |
paramat |
(CSM) |
| 00:14 |
Shara |
(Exactly) |
| 00:16 |
Shara |
CSM is all about servers... but server owners do not want it... yet we're stuck with it. |
| 00:16 |
Shara |
But let's not start that pointless conversation again :) |
| 00:21 |
Fixer |
Shara: bump nerzhul to introduce auth in sqlite, if map is too big to your, you can limit and trim it to smth like +/- 5000, it is still huge and will take decades to be full |
| 00:21 |
Shara |
Fixer: no good. Need the PRs paramat has been working on for a real solution. |
| 00:22 |
Fixer |
Shara: also, bump some guys to introduce smart mapblock saving |
| 00:22 |
Shara |
Also I already moved my auth to a db on the server that had that problem. Not waiting who knows how long for devs to do it |
| 00:22 |
Shara |
Some things modders can handle, even if there shouldn't be a need :) |
| 00:23 |
Shara |
Yes well, I'd love very much to see better handling of how maps are saved... but you can't force a dev to work on something that they don't want to |
| 00:23 |
Shara |
And I doubt that would be a small thing... and would it even help on existing maps? |
| 00:24 |
paramat |
rubenwardy 4w seems to be trying to stir up paramat hate, at some point i'll consider this personal attacks which if continued means a possible ban from github, like mr. k |
| 00:24 |
Fixer |
Shara: nerzhul has the code, he needs to backport it |
| 00:24 |
Shara |
Fixer: code for which thing? |
| 00:24 |
Fixer |
nerzhul: ^^^vvv |
| 00:24 |
Shara |
We've covered a few different points there |
| 00:24 |
red-001 |
paramat, colour me surprised |
| 00:24 |
Fixer |
Shara: db auth |
| 00:25 |
paramat |
k is halfway to a github ban currently |
| 00:25 |
Shara |
paramat: link? I do love to thumb down stupid pointless insulters |
| 00:25 |
red-001 |
it's 4w he is basically a well known troll |
| 00:25 |
red-001 |
paramat, who is k? |
| 00:25 |
Shara |
Fixer: I don't need db auth. I have db auth |
| 00:25 |
paramat |
obvious |
| 00:25 |
red-001 |
no its not |
| 00:25 |
Shara |
Is to me |
| 00:25 |
Fixer |
Shara: and it helped you, right? |
| 00:25 |
red-001 |
oh french graphics coder? |
| 00:26 |
Shara |
:) |
| 00:26 |
paramat |
yes |
| 00:26 |
paramat |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/7030#issuecomment-364566051 |
| 00:26 |
Shara |
Fixer: Yup. Not saying it wouldn't be good to add, just too late for me really, and could even give me trouble on one server |
| 00:26 |
Shara |
And well, there's a mod that does it quite nicely now |
| 00:27 |
red-001 |
unlike k graphics 4w also doesn't contribute in any way |
| 00:28 |
paramat |
i can cope with 4w as long as it doesn't get personal |
| 00:28 |
red-001 |
paramat, is that qoute basically the gist of it? |
| 00:37 |
Shara |
red-001: follow the link paramat gave there and there is more |
| 00:41 |
red-001 |
Shara, got a script that hides 4w comments and it's kinda a pain to enable and disable |
| 00:44 |
Shara |
heh |
| 00:46 |
red-001 |
also it's a massive hack since I didn't figure out how to get the code to run after that whole update only loading thing the js or something does, so I kinda just detect the url change a set a bunch of timers to have my code run hoping at least one of them will run after the new content loads |
| 00:47 |
red-001 |
s/a set/ and set |
| 00:52 |
paramat |
yes the quote is essentially it, except he wrote the same 4 days ago in the issue |
| 01:02 |
Fixer |
on of the minecraft oldest servers (8 years old) has map limit just smaller than mt one (radius of about 30km) |
| 01:02 |
Fixer |
one* |
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| 01:30 |
VanessaE |
sfan5, RBA may have been referring to texture lookups. idk for sure. |
| 01:31 |
VanessaE |
it's been way too long and we can't ask him now :-/ |
| 01:32 |
VanessaE |
paramat: why can't *static, immovable* entities be lightweight? can they not be turned into ordinary scenery? |
| 01:32 |
VanessaE |
s/scenery/geometry/ |
| 02:00 |
paramat |
they can probably be more lightweight, just not as lighweight as a node |
| 02:00 |
paramat |
the experts think entities are too intensive currently |
| 02:49 |
tumeninodes |
paramat: thank you |
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| 03:20 |
Megaf |
it possible to remove world size limit in Minetest? |
| 03:20 |
Megaf |
is it* |
| 03:25 |
VanessaE |
no. |
| 03:25 |
VanessaE |
not without compatibility problems |
| 03:26 |
Megaf |
well, what if I dont mind about compatibility? |
| 03:27 |
VanessaE |
*shrug* |
| 03:28 |
* Megaf |
browsers the code |
| 03:28 |
VanessaE |
it's been requested before but the devs don't think it's needed. |
| 03:28 |
tumeninodes |
give it a whirl and see.. :D |
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| 03:51 |
Megaf |
In accordance with your request, the nsxxx210.ip-5-196-88.eu server has now been deleted. |
| 03:51 |
Megaf |
This operation is irreversible. |
| 03:51 |
Megaf |
I think my server is gone forever ^ |
| 03:51 |
Megaf |
rubenwardy: I just canceled my Kimsufi |
| 03:51 |
Megaf |
tomorrow I will be removing my Linode as well |
| 04:10 |
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| 04:22 |
paramat |
"it possible to remove world size limit in Minetest?" no it's hardcoded by the co-ordinate integer type s16 |
| 04:23 |
Megaf |
I shall make that a gloat |
| 04:23 |
Megaf |
float* |
| 04:23 |
paramat |
heh |
| 04:24 |
Megaf |
paramat: so basically it's possible to increase the size without much code change tho it would be harder to remove the limit |
| 04:24 |
benrob0329 |
If you go much further out, floating point becomes too imprecise as well |
| 04:24 |
Megaf |
I like the idea of trully ulimited map size |
| 04:24 |
paramat |
it's a big job to alter every s16 to a s32, but possible |
| 04:25 |
benrob0329 |
You'd have to move the world around the player, rather than the player around the world for truly unlimited iirc |
| 04:25 |
Megaf |
benrob0329: that is VERY pylosophical |
| 04:25 |
Megaf |
whatever you spell that |
| 04:25 |
paramat |
it wouldn't be unlimited, just very very big |
| 04:26 |
benrob0329 |
True |
| 04:26 |
benrob0329 |
We'd need to use 64bit coords as well |
| 04:26 |
Megaf |
not a problem |
| 04:26 |
Megaf |
why not 128 bit? |
| 04:27 |
Megaf |
soon we gonna see 128 bit CPUs |
| 04:27 |
benrob0329 |
Because 64 is the largest currently usable by most computers |
| 04:27 |
Megaf |
They are out there already, for very specific stuff |
| 04:27 |
benrob0329 |
Without major performance problems |
| 04:28 |
VanessaE |
because s64 would be such a huge map size you couldn't store it all on a consumer hard drive anyway. |
| 04:28 |
benrob0329 |
Also that |
| 04:28 |
benrob0329 |
But that would allow for space to be truly, well spacious |
| 04:29 |
benrob0329 |
Also the main world could be a single planet |
| 04:29 |
paramat |
all that world would never become generated anyway |
| 04:29 |
VanessaE |
Megaf: at s64, the map could go to +/- 4'294'967'296m |
| 04:30 |
benrob0329 |
That would be awesome, but also horridly difficult to implement afaik |
| 04:30 |
paramat |
s32: 2 billion nodes in every direction |
| 04:31 |
Megaf |
hold your horses |
| 04:31 |
VanessaE |
or that, too. |
| 04:31 |
Megaf |
so |
| 04:31 |
Megaf |
can we make theworld larger using s32 then? |
| 04:31 |
Megaf |
I mean |
| 04:31 |
Megaf |
wait |
| 04:32 |
Megaf |
we use s16 currently |
| 04:32 |
Megaf |
so, drawbacks in going s32? |
| 04:32 |
VanessaE |
if you go beyond s16, it could be whatever, the lack of compatibility would be the same |
| 04:32 |
paramat |
so the vector co-ord would need to be <= 64 bits? so a limit of 21 bits per axis? |
| 04:32 |
benrob0329 |
And potentially end up with the mapgen algorithms spiraling out of control |
| 04:32 |
VanessaE |
mainly functions that hash node or block positions |
| 04:33 |
Megaf |
it's 4:32 AM and I'm here talking about 32 bit integers and mapgen algorithms |
| 04:33 |
benrob0329 |
Sounds like a normal day |
| 04:33 |
Megaf |
That's the scariest part |
| 04:34 |
benrob0329 |
paramat: mapblock relative coords might need to be a thing |
| 04:34 |
VanessaE |
paramat: well, that would work too. 2M nodes per axis then |
| 04:34 |
Megaf |
I like the sound of that |
| 04:34 |
benrob0329 |
Or even better, octree coords :^) |
| 04:34 |
VanessaE |
(that'd be about half the size of the US) |
| 04:34 |
VanessaE |
(I think) |
| 04:34 |
Megaf |
Two Million Nodes https://i.ytimg.com/vi/cmQLnBtDjbw/maxresdefault.jpg |
| 04:35 |
Megaf |
http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/002/252/NoMeGusta.jpg |
| 04:36 |
benrob0329 |
I mean, I'd probably donate towards such a change |
| 04:36 |
Megaf |
any change we can have the same area as Earth? |
| 04:36 |
benrob0329 |
0.6 anyone? |
| 04:36 |
Megaf |
benrob0329: oh boy |
| 04:36 |
Megaf |
benrob0329: if you open a github issue for that I will support it |
| 04:37 |
benrob0329 |
We need bounties |
| 04:37 |
benrob0329 |
I'd donate to a few issues if I could |
| 04:38 |
VanessaE |
lesse. earth is 40074 km in circumference... so you'd need 22 bits per axis |
| 04:38 |
VanessaE |
so minimum s128. |
| 04:39 |
VanessaE |
well, 22 bits on X/Y |
| 04:40 |
Megaf |
Earth is big |
| 04:40 |
VanessaE |
so s64 would do, if you don't mind limiting Z to 20 bits (1048 km) |
| 04:41 |
Shara |
Random test of sea corals using rooted drawtype: http://gingercat.tk/dg/hw_coral_test.png |
| 04:41 |
VanessaE |
so 64 bits would be enough to model the earth down to a depth of ~948 km |
| 04:41 |
Shara |
No more horrible flickering/air mess! |
| 04:41 |
VanessaE |
nice, Shara |
| 04:42 |
paramat |
good stuff |
| 04:43 |
Megaf |
Shara: Now I know how you wanted to draw the corals... |
| 04:43 |
Megaf |
:P |
| 04:43 |
Shara |
:P |
| 04:43 |
benrob0329 |
Shara: noice |
| 04:43 |
Megaf |
the same colours I was thinking about |
| 04:43 |
Shara |
Needs a lot of work still, but first step toward coral ocean biome anyway |
| 04:44 |
VanessaE |
Megaf: so. gonna convert us to 22/20/22 bit coords? :) |
| 04:45 |
Megaf |
eh |
| 04:45 |
Megaf |
we could use something GPS like |
| 04:45 |
Megaf |
based on degrees |
| 04:45 |
VanessaE |
no. |
| 04:46 |
Megaf |
Shara: some of the corals could hurt if touched |
| 04:46 |
VanessaE |
the result would be even less compatible than it is now |
| 04:46 |
Megaf |
precisely |
| 04:46 |
paramat |
degrees is for spheres |
| 04:47 |
Megaf |
how do you navigate in a cube? |
| 04:47 |
Megaf |
cuboid* |
| 04:48 |
Megaf |
maybe current coord system is optimal |
| 04:53 |
Megaf |
[04:44:36] <VanessaE> Megaf: so. gonna convert us to 22/20/22 bit coords? :) |
| 04:53 |
Megaf |
how hard can that be? |
| 04:53 |
VanessaE |
famous last words. ;) |
| 04:55 |
Megaf |
eh |
| 04:58 |
Megaf |
meh, Im having a look at the code |
| 04:58 |
Megaf |
every single mapgen and 100s of other files redefine s16 all the time |
| 04:58 |
Megaf |
cant we just define that once in a .h file? |
| 04:58 |
Megaf |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/search?p=2&q=s16&type=&utf8=%E2%9C%93 |
| 05:00 |
Megaf |
(I dont know what Im talking about) |
| 05:06 |
Sokomine |
rather than enlarging the world an option to remove map blocks that where generated once and never changed by players might be helpful. disk space is cheap but not unlimited |
| 05:08 |
Sokomine |
Shara: nice corals. are they flowerlike? |
| 05:09 |
Shara |
Sokomine: plantlike_rooted |
| 05:09 |
Megaf |
hum, mapblocks after certain range from buildings could timeout and be degenerated |
| 05:13 |
Sokomine |
Megaf: currently can't be done. we have no idea if players did anything in the mapblocks. or when they where last loaded or created |
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CWz |
happy 200+ server, minetest! |
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| 11:48 |
Krock |
CWz, that's nothing new actually |
| 11:48 |
Krock |
> peak 504 |
| 11:49 |
sfan5 |
the peak value actually isn't accurate |
| 11:49 |
sfan5 |
but yeah we've had >200 servers before |
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Jordach |
992 tris for an automatically extruded entity |
| 13:55 |
Jordach |
!tell benrob0329 https://i.imgur.com/3jQ58MG.png |
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MinetestBot |
Jordach: yeah, yeah |
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Jordach |
https://i.imgur.com/mpCQufk.png it mostly likes complex shapes |
| 14:13 |
Jordach |
https://i.imgur.com/IMnFZnz.png |
| 14:46 |
Megaf |
Hello everyone |
| 14:47 |
Krock |
hi Megaf |
| 14:47 |
Krock |
Jordach, I see potential $.$ |
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Megaf |
Blender is so underestimated by many people |
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Calinou |
death to Source FilmMa-- |
| 15:41 |
Calinou |
oh wait… |
| 16:12 |
Jordach |
SFM is better than blender for animating |
| 16:20 |
red-001 |
mods can put thier own settings in the secure namespace right? |
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| 16:21 |
IhrFussel |
I found the source of my protection problem |
| 16:22 |
IhrFussel |
2018-02-10 17:20:21: ERROR[Main]: AREAS FROM FILE ARE NOT A TABLE |
| 16:22 |
red-001 |
that just means the data is corrupted |
| 16:23 |
IhrFussel |
It's weird how it always works on 2nd try without changing anything |
| 16:23 |
red-001 |
IhrFussel, did the file exist when you got that error, if yes did it look like some data got cut off while writing it? |
| 16:23 |
red-001 |
yes the areas mod overwrites the file if it fails to load it |
| 16:23 |
IhrFussel |
Now the question is why doesn it fail to load sometimes |
| 16:23 |
IhrFussel |
does* |
| 16:24 |
IhrFussel |
io.open() gives no error |
| 16:24 |
red-001 |
IhrFussel, does the data get wiped on second try? |
| 16:24 |
IhrFussel |
No |
| 16:24 |
red-001 |
huh |
| 16:24 |
IhrFussel |
It's the exact same file |
| 16:24 |
red-001 |
oh it must have been destroyed when someone modified something relating to protection after it failed to load |
| 16:25 |
red-001 |
IhrFussel, copy the deserilize function to a lua sandbox and run it a few hundard times on that data and see if it works? |
| 16:26 |
shivajiva |
is it like deserialize fails because the data appears not to be a table even though it is? |
| 16:26 |
shivajiva |
because the error points to that |
| 16:27 |
red-001 |
shivajiva, could be data not being fully loaded |
| 16:27 |
IhrFussel |
if type(self.areas) ~= "table" then minetest.log("error","AREAS FROM FILE ARE NOT A TABLE") self.areas = {} |
| 16:27 |
red-001 |
nil after all is not a table |
| 16:27 |
IhrFussel |
The weird part is that it only started happening recently |
| 16:27 |
shivajiva |
and a missing final brace isn't either |
| 16:27 |
red-001 |
IhrFussel, could you also do a minetest.log("error", dump(self.areas)) before discarding the data? |
| 16:28 |
shivajiva |
yea ^ |
| 16:28 |
red-001 |
and really if the files exists and can't be loaded the mod should error out |
| 16:28 |
red-001 |
file* |
| 16:28 |
shivajiva |
lets see what it's got |
| 16:28 |
red-001 |
and maybe dump the length of the raw data read from file |
| 16:29 |
red-001 |
that should show if it's getting cut off |
| 16:31 |
shivajiva |
your check is stopping the file being overwritten thankfully |
| 16:31 |
red-001 |
shivajiva, no? |
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| 16:31 |
red-001 |
logging an error doesn't crash the state |
| 16:32 |
red-001 |
you're thinking of error("") |
| 16:32 |
red-001 |
(unless there is some setting no-one told me about) |
| 16:33 |
shivajiva |
I thought type checking forced it to error? |
| 16:33 |
red-001 |
no |
| 16:34 |
red-001 |
assert(type(self.areas) ~= "table") would error out |
| 16:34 |
red-001 |
on it's own type(self.areas) ~= "table" just returns false |
| 16:34 |
IhrFussel |
If I'm not quick and someone protects something the file will be a new one |
| 16:35 |
IhrFussel |
It doesn't happen right now...I'm restarting 10 times now |
| 16:36 |
shivajiva |
yea it's asserting it that would :) |
| 16:36 |
shivajiva |
had to check my sauth code :P |
| 16:38 |
IhrFussel |
But if it loads mostly fine and sometimes fails it's 99% not a write error correct? |
| 16:39 |
shivajiva |
yes that would be logical |
| 16:39 |
red-001 |
I would assume so |
| 16:40 |
shivajiva |
it points to deserialize failing the other 1%, time for an issue? |
| 16:40 |
IhrFussel |
areas doesn't save the data on shutdown so if it fails to load once and I restart without anyone saving something and it *suddenly* works fine then the problem must be the loading of the file |
| 16:41 |
shivajiva |
but not io |
| 16:42 |
shivajiva |
diff error for io |
| 16:43 |
IhrFussel |
No io.open() error in both cases...read and write |
| 16:43 |
shivajiva |
it has a handle on the file or it doesn't at that stage |
| 16:44 |
shivajiva |
if lua had an issue reading files it would have been picked up long ago |
| 16:45 |
shivajiva |
so the next process is deserialize |
| 16:46 |
IhrFussel |
self.areas = minetest.deserialize(file:read("*a")) |
| 16:46 |
shivajiva |
lets sit on it till you can dump the table and it's length |
| 16:47 |
shivajiva |
remember xban suffered similar issues and was happy to overwrite it's file |
| 16:53 |
sfan5 |
are you using safe_file_write yet? |
| 16:54 |
IhrFussel |
It's not about writing, loading fails without writing |
| 16:55 |
IhrFussel |
The protection file itself is fine, it contains return { DATA } |
| 16:56 |
IhrFussel |
I also don't believe that I shutdown the server now the 4th or 5th time in 1 week at the exact time when a player tried to protect something...very very very unlikely |
| 16:57 |
IhrFussel |
And debug.txt would contain "minetest.log("error", "[areas] Failed to serialize area data!")" if saving failed |
| 16:58 |
IhrFussel |
io.open() after that also has no error else Id see "minetest.log("error","FATAL AREAS ERROR ... COULD NOT WRITE TO FILE, ERROR CODE: "..err)" |
| 17:00 |
IhrFussel |
Really I added several minetest.log() lines to loading/saving and only the result of minetest.deserialize() throws an error |
| 17:02 |
sfan5 |
is your file too large perhaps? |
| 17:02 |
IhrFussel |
And it appears to be random...I cannot find a pattern (yet) |
| 17:03 |
IhrFussel |
932 KB |
| 17:06 |
IhrFussel |
I added now a dump(self.areas) in case it fails again and minetest.deserialize() says it's not a table ... just a matter of time until I can tell what the log reports as output |
| 17:07 |
shivajiva |
excellent |
| 17:07 |
IhrFussel |
Can dump() handle any data type? |
| 17:08 |
shivajiva |
anything but user data, that's the only time it fails |
| 17:08 |
IhrFussel |
I can only imagine if it's not a valid tab le sometimes, it's likely a bren string |
| 17:08 |
IhrFussel |
broken* |
| 17:10 |
IhrFussel |
could a ~ 1 MB file cause problems in lua? |
| 17:11 |
Shara |
I don't believe so, given xban files used to get much larger before troubles started |
| 17:12 |
shivajiva |
it's more like >5 MB where it gets funky with xban |
| 17:12 |
Shara |
My areas.dat is 875KB and no issues... yet |
| 17:12 |
Shara |
But not that far behind yours |
| 17:13 |
IhrFussel |
I also don't think it can be the SSD...if it was faulty I would probably have way worse problem s than just a large file not loading sometimes |
| 17:14 |
shivajiva |
I've looked at areas and it has to be rewritten if it's going to utilise a db correctly |
| 17:20 |
Shara |
Well, away for a while now, but I am concerned areas is a potential problem my server will also hit at some point... |
| 17:22 |
Megaf |
Shara: why you say that? |
| 17:22 |
Megaf |
I've been using areas since my first server, only had problems twice |
| 17:22 |
Megaf |
:) |
| 17:22 |
Shara |
Because everything else that was not in a db broke so far |
| 17:22 |
Shara |
But... away now :P |
| 17:22 |
Megaf |
Okidoki |
| 17:23 |
IhrFussel |
I experience those corruption problems since 2 weeks now ... didn't update MT recently...I did sometime in January the upgrade to 0.4.17 |
| 17:24 |
IhrFussel |
Not sure if 0.4.17 changed minetest.deserialize() or any corresponding c++ code |
| 17:25 |
IhrFussel |
related c++ code* |
| 17:28 |
Megaf |
I wonder if it could be related to UTF-8 or non UTF-8 stuff in areas names |
| 17:29 |
Megaf |
Minetest has serious problems with accents and non English stuff, lile á, ç and ê |
| 17:29 |
Megaf |
Often it inteprets those as strings of stuff |
| 17:33 |
IhrFussel |
That doesn't really explain why it fails to load after 1 restart but succeeds after another |
| 17:39 |
Megaf |
!title https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CopperheadOS |
| 17:39 |
MinetestBot |
Megaf: CopperheadOS - Wikipedia |
| 17:39 |
Megaf |
Android distro focused on security |
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Fixer |
DATA PROSPECTATOR |
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Megaf |
!server Megaf |
| 18:18 |
MinetestBot |
Megaf: Megaf Server v4 | 163.172.154.119:30003 | Clients: 0/20, 0/2 | Version: 0.4.17-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 12ms |
| 18:19 |
Megaf |
Will eventually move it to Amterdam |
| 18:20 |
red-001 |
pretty sure minetest.(de)serialize is all Lua |
| 18:20 |
rubenwardy |
yes |
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sofar |
goddammit nextcloud you piece of shit |
| 20:07 |
Krock |
NEEDS CAPS LOCK |
| 20:08 |
Fixer |
HE LOVES YOU |
| 20:09 |
sofar |
the upgrade from 11 to 12 to 13 leaves you stuck at 12 because 12 doesn't support php-7.2 |
| 20:09 |
Jordach |
nice |
| 20:10 |
sofar |
and a completely broken install, too |
| 20:17 |
Fixer |
is this shaders or smth http://minecraftonline.com/w/images/c/c4/3WYfn91.jpg |
| 20:20 |
Jordach |
render |
| 20:20 |
Jordach |
GLSL shaders don't make fireflies everywhere |
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Calinou |
sofar: don't you mean that 13 doesn't support PHP 7.2? |
| 20:53 |
sofar |
12 |
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sofar |
but you can't skip it when upgrading |
| 21:13 |
Jordach |
wonders of open source |
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Jordach |
https://www.openhub.net/p/minetest-c55 |
| 21:21 |
Jordach |
!tell paramat you've got 603 commits to Minetest Engine :D |
| 21:21 |
MinetestBot |
Jordach: I'll pass that on when paramat is around |
| 21:22 |
red-001 |
that data is really outdated last I checked |
| 21:22 |
red-001 |
couldn't figure out how to fix it |
| 21:27 |
rubenwardy |
it over estimates |
| 21:27 |
rubenwardy |
maybe because it counts the same commit multiple times |
| 21:27 |
rubenwardy |
due to be on different branches |
| 21:28 |
rubenwardy |
paramat has 342 actual commits |
| 21:30 |
red-001 |
also it lists paramat's first commit as being a year ago |
| 21:31 |
red-001 |
looks like it lists every email as a seperate user |
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| 21:56 |
Calinou |
red-001: .mailmap can be used to fix that |
| 21:56 |
Calinou |
but not all services read it |
| 21:56 |
Calinou |
("git shortlog" will take .mailmap into account, for example) |
| 21:56 |
Calinou |
a .mailmap was added recently to godotengine/godot :) |
| 22:16 |
Fixer |
inactive: 77%, heh |
| 22:20 |
Fixer |
omg, mc2 has 185 issues open and 280 closed |
| 22:33 |
Fixer |
sofar: prune throws me error when trying to prune: Binary was compiled with 'CGO_ENABLED=0', go-sqlite3 requires cgo to work. This is a stub |
| 22:33 |
Fixer |
sofar: win7sp1 |
| 22:51 |
Krock |
Does anyone have an idea why LuaJIT could panic when raising an luaL_error or using luaL_checklstring on a table? |
| 22:53 |
Krock |
probably not the right place to ask |
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