| Time |
Nick |
Message |
| 00:00 |
IhrFussel |
sofar, n't sound much but it is, I think |
| 00:00 |
IhrFussel |
Oops |
| 00:00 |
IhrFussel |
model name: Quad-Core AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 1381 |
| 00:02 |
sofar |
that's a 2009 processor |
| 00:02 |
IhrFussel |
That should absolutely not matter, MT runs on a Celeron |
| 00:02 |
sfan5 |
it runs yes, but nobody said it runs decently |
| 00:02 |
sofar |
I can't call it junk, I'd have to write a disclaimer first that my opinions are my own and do not represent the views of my employer |
| 00:03 |
sofar |
but now that I have done that |
| 00:03 |
sofar |
I can call it junk |
| 00:03 |
sofar |
tbh it's not that bad, it was a 189$ CPU in 2009 |
| 00:03 |
Jordach |
i wouldn't even run MT on a Bulldozer series CPU |
| 00:03 |
sofar |
for AMD that's not a cheap CPU |
| 00:04 |
sofar |
but I suspect, based on the CPU, that the motherboard is also similarly 9 years old |
| 00:04 |
sofar |
and the RAM is as well |
| 00:04 |
sofar |
and the storage is as well |
| 00:05 |
sofar |
sigh, sorry, if I had known that's what your server was built of, I likely wouldn't have made you spent the time using profiling tools |
| 00:06 |
IhrFussel |
sofar, memory 1GiB DIMM DDR2 Synchronous 400 MHz (2,5 ns) |
| 00:06 |
Jordach |
there's ye bottleneck |
| 00:06 |
sofar |
heh, 400MHz ram |
| 00:08 |
IhrFussel |
I doubt that 400 mhz is too low to load a few mapblocks from/into memory |
| 00:08 |
sofar |
it isn't |
| 00:08 |
sofar |
it's just gonna be slow |
| 00:08 |
Jordach |
i think my server has 1800mhz DDR3 on an Intel Atom C2750 @2.39G |
| 00:09 |
Jordach |
it's also got three SSDs, 16GB RAM |
| 00:09 |
sofar |
IhrFussel: http://foo-projects.org/~sofar/nbench-scores.txt |
| 00:09 |
sofar |
some historical relevance to CPU performance over time |
| 00:09 |
IhrFussel |
What's that now? std::vector<ModSpec, std::allocator<ModSpec> >::operator= |
| 00:09 |
sofar |
I've been keeping that list going for 15 years now |
| 00:10 |
sofar |
your cpu would probably rank, my best bet, a score of ~12-13 or so, just a wild guess |
| 00:10 |
sofar |
and that doesn't even account for memory speed |
| 00:11 |
sofar |
your memory speed is also 1/4th of what has been "normal" memory speeds of "normal" desktop cpus |
| 00:11 |
paramat |
'MT runs on a Celeron' =) |
| 00:11 |
sofar |
not even talking about 2400MHz ram with triple busses |
| 00:11 |
sofar |
all in all your system is likely 20x slower than what's relatively current hardware |
| 00:12 |
sfan5 |
sofar: you sure it's not half? |
| 00:12 |
sfan5 |
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DDR3_SDRAM#JEDEC_standard_modules, desktop ram is usually DDR3-1600) |
| 00:12 |
sofar |
400 = 1/4th of 1600? |
| 00:12 |
Sokomine |
paramat: well, for some degree of "run", it runs on a raspberry. that's not bad at all |
| 00:12 |
paramat |
wow 1GB RAM |
| 00:13 |
sfan5 |
you're comparing MHz and MT/s |
| 00:13 |
sfan5 |
his ram is 400 MHz, so DDR3-800 with a data rate of 800 MT/s according to that table |
| 00:14 |
sofar |
I'm probably off by a large factor in my estimates |
| 00:14 |
sofar |
doesn't change anything, though |
| 00:14 |
sfan5 |
still terrible, yes |
| 00:14 |
sofar |
half of terrible, double of terrible :) |
| 00:15 |
sofar |
IhrFussel: I feel bad for you, though, but I'd stop attempting to optimize anything if I were you |
| 00:15 |
sofar |
stop wasting time :/ |
| 00:16 |
Fixer |
BUT BUT HE LIKES TO WASTE TIME |
| 00:16 |
sofar |
we're all in this channel, we all do :P |
| 00:16 |
Fixer |
also, i forgot to check jordachs flying jet thing |
| 00:17 |
paramat |
many people hit the 1GB limit of luajit and get OOM so 1GB seems low |
| 00:17 |
Jordach |
right now i'm compiling a fuckoff amount of shaders |
| 00:17 |
sofar |
1gb isn't the issue, 1gb could be fine for a reasonable server |
| 00:17 |
Fixer |
wait a second on luajit |
| 00:17 |
sofar |
ITB could probably run in 512mb even |
| 00:17 |
sofar |
same with CTF, I bet, or games like that |
| 00:17 |
sfan5 |
sofar: at this point a good vps might even be better, right? |
| 00:17 |
Fixer |
i was telling countless times that it is very weird |
| 00:18 |
Fixer |
i measured lua mem usage just before OOM |
| 00:18 |
Fixer |
it was like 90 mb at most |
| 00:18 |
Jordach |
^^^^ |
| 00:18 |
Fixer |
wth??? |
| 00:18 |
sofar |
sfan5: oh, absolutely |
| 00:18 |
Fixer |
i get OOM with very low memory readings |
| 00:18 |
Jordach |
i've seen it go at 32MB |
| 00:18 |
sofar |
even the cheapest VPS servers give you a 2-3 year old CPU at most |
| 00:18 |
sfan5 |
Fixer: no gc64? |
| 00:18 |
Fixer |
nope |
| 00:18 |
Sokomine |
sfan5: good setups and hardware recommendations might be intresting for people who want to host a server. maybe an article on the forum couldn't hurt |
| 00:19 |
Jordach |
sfan5: start making 64bit builds GC64 |
| 00:19 |
sfan5 |
well there's your problem |
| 00:19 |
Fixer |
sfan5: default builds |
| 00:19 |
sofar |
sfan5: heck, try the AWS free tier, lol |
| 00:19 |
sofar |
woop woop alert sofar is advertising again |
| 00:19 |
sofar |
:P |
| 00:19 |
Fixer |
sfan5: but wtf it ooms on 90mb? that technic_worldgen and some other sucker |
| 00:19 |
sfan5 |
luajit (w/o gc64) can't just use any memory, it needs memory allocated below a 2GB address |
| 00:19 |
Fixer |
even after optimisations |
| 00:19 |
Sokomine |
some people claimed they had excellent hardware. yet their servers where slow. and then there's knocks server which ran for quite some time quite well on an old notebook |
| 00:19 |
sfan5 |
the oom happens because it can't get memory that fulfils those requirements from the OS |
| 00:20 |
sfan5 |
Sokomine: it's hard to populate such an article unless you live in a computer hardware museum ;) |
| 00:20 |
Fixer |
lets see |
| 00:20 |
sfan5 |
but yeah that would be helpful |
| 00:20 |
Sokomine |
hm :-) |
| 00:20 |
* Sokomine |
seraches her old computers and throws a 386er at sfan5 |
| 00:20 |
paramat |
the memory use displayed at OOM isn't the memory use that causes OOM, apparently |
| 00:21 |
Jordach |
sfan5: what the fuck |
| 00:21 |
sofar |
I have a 386 in a jar of formaldehyde |
| 00:21 |
sfan5 |
paramat: memory can't "cause" OOM, the value is probably exactly correct |
| 00:21 |
sfan5 |
but due to the restrictions I mentioned earlier it can't get any more memory and OOM's |
| 00:21 |
Sokomine |
guess in ihrfussels case it's a dedicated server that has been rented? wouldn't make too much sense to spend too much money each month for a mt server |
| 00:22 |
Jordach |
sofar: 8086 or riots |
| 00:22 |
Fixer |
sfan5: ok, so I'm using 3gb of ram right now, should it just OOM outright? |
| 00:22 |
sfan5 |
no no |
| 00:22 |
sfan5 |
what matters is the address space of the minetest process |
| 00:22 |
IhrFussel |
I pay $25 per month for it actually ... so far I lost well over $300 on it |
| 00:22 |
paramat |
ok |
| 00:23 |
Sokomine |
that's quite a lot |
| 00:23 |
Fixer |
sfan5: so in simpler words it is clusterfuck |
| 00:23 |
sfan5 |
yea |
| 00:23 |
sfan5 |
IhrFussel: honestly a virtual server at ~ $15 would give you better performance |
| 00:23 |
Fixer |
so to avoid OOMs i need unload all the ---- out of my memory and pre(a)y it won't OOM |
| 00:24 |
IhrFussel |
I had a VPS for $10 before but the performance was so inconsistent that I chose a dedi |
| 00:24 |
sfan5 |
not all VPSs are equal |
| 00:24 |
sfan5 |
also a good vps is definitely better than a bad dedi |
| 00:26 |
sofar |
IhrFussel: I pay ~20$ a month for : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E3-1240 V2 @ 3.40GHz |
| 00:26 |
Jordach |
IhrFussel: Scaleway has decent dedis |
| 00:26 |
Fixer |
sfan5: is it somehow possible to make minetest use memory space best suitable for luajit? |
| 00:26 |
sofar |
IhrFussel: 4gb ram |
| 00:26 |
sfan5 |
Fixer: way too much work to get that to work, just use gc64 |
| 00:26 |
Fixer |
also, luajit seems to die down at the moment, no commits since November 17 |
| 00:27 |
sofar |
IhrFussel: 2012 cpu, ha! but still a fantastic work horse (IVB server) |
| 00:29 |
IhrFussel |
sofar, my hoster doesn't even offer my current dedi anymore ... the cheapest option is Intel® Xeon® E3-1230v2, 4 x 3,3 GHz, 8 GB RAM DDR3, 2 x 1 TB for $35/month |
| 00:32 |
paramat |
time for a new server it seems |
| 00:32 |
IhrFussel |
Or VPN for $15/month: 600 GB SSD/HDD, NEW! 12 GB RAM guaranteed, 6 CPU vCores, Plesk Onyx, Traffic Unlimited |
| 00:33 |
paramat |
yours sounds bad value |
| 00:34 |
IhrFussel |
They even have an offer for the VPN... 6 month only $1 then 15 |
| 00:36 |
IhrFussel |
Should I take it? |
| 00:36 |
sofar |
vpn? you mean vps? |
| 00:37 |
IhrFussel |
Yes VPS sorry...sounds very cheap and tempting 6 months $1 |
| 00:40 |
Fixer |
it is 2017, but seems like formspecs can't into Tab/Enter/etc |
| 00:42 |
IhrFussel |
I got it... really can't do anything wrong with $1 for 6 months |
| 00:46 |
sofar |
might as well post it in my AWS thread as a good alternative, lol |
| 00:47 |
IhrFussel |
As soon as I get my ssh access I will check the CPU/RAM and ONLY if it's significantly faster than my current dedi I will move my server to it |
| 00:48 |
IhrFussel |
It said HDD/SSD ... does that mean it has a SSD or that I can choose somehow between them? |
| 00:48 |
sfan5 |
can mean lots of things |
| 00:48 |
sofar |
no clue, ask them |
| 00:50 |
IhrFussel |
Ah I see...it says data that's needed constantly will be on a SSD and data that hasn't been touched in a while will be moved to a HDD |
| 00:51 |
sfan5 |
also called ssd-cached |
| 00:51 |
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| 00:52 |
IhrFussel |
Network: 500 MBit/s |
| 00:55 |
IhrFussel |
Is it normal that hosters don't mention the exact used CPU for VPS? |
| 00:55 |
IhrFussel |
All I see is "6 vCores" |
| 00:59 |
Fixer |
6 pentium II-like vCores |
| 00:59 |
Fixer |
featuring edge cutting TYAN motherboards from 2001 |
| 00:59 |
Fixer |
dual socket |
| 00:59 |
Fixer |
256 mb of ram |
| 00:59 |
Fixer |
ULTRA66 speed |
| 01:00 |
IhrFussel |
Nah RAM is 12 GB which is huge |
| 01:01 |
IhrFussel |
But I wonder what type of RAM it is |
| 01:01 |
Fixer |
SDRAM 133MHz |
| 01:01 |
Fixer |
not really |
| 01:01 |
Fixer |
133 chinese workers with papers, good night |
| 01:02 |
IhrFussel |
I will check the specs when it's ready...if they aren't that much better than my dedi, I'll not use it...I mean $1 per month is nothing |
| 01:15 |
IhrFussel |
I may have ordered the VPS twice by accident o.o ... maybe my mouse clicked twice on the button |
| 01:16 |
IhrFussel |
I hope customer support can reverse my order later... |
| 01:17 |
IhrFussel |
Well time for bed, see ya later |
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| 06:11 |
* benrob0329 |
resists the urge to rain on the Chomium in MT parade |
| 06:11 |
benrob0329 |
Embedded browsers for game UIs always have problems, always |
| 06:12 |
benrob0329 |
Like advertisements, because who doesnt like random audio and video playing when you join a server? |
| 06:14 |
sofar |
it doesn't bother me |
| 06:14 |
sofar |
since I won't be using it, nor will it ever go mainstream |
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| 06:17 |
benrob0329 |
sofar: true |
| 06:17 |
benrob0329 |
Unless compiled plugins become a thing, in which case servers could start depending on them |
| 06:18 |
benrob0329 |
In which case we have a whole host of security problems and crap |
| 06:19 |
benrob0329 |
But on a different subject, I'm both happy and sad that meta-set nodedef is becoming a thing. Hapy because its incredibly useful but sad because I'm already converting things to entities to get around node problems. |
| 06:20 |
benrob0329 |
Nodes can't have mesh animations though |
| 06:20 |
sofar |
you know |
| 06:20 |
sofar |
I just waved my magic wand, and the problem disappeared |
| 06:20 |
sofar |
you can relax now |
| 06:20 |
sofar |
my wand is great for problems like that |
| 06:21 |
benrob0329 |
Lol |
| 06:21 |
sofar |
sadly, it doesn't work against real life threats to our way of living, like, republicans |
| 06:21 |
sofar |
or global warming |
| 06:21 |
benrob0329 |
No political extream is good, right or left :-) |
| 06:22 |
benrob0329 |
*extreme |
| 06:22 |
sofar |
when someone screams and yells lies for a year, and ~33% of the population still supports him, that 33% of the population needs to be tarred and feathered. |
| 06:24 |
benrob0329 |
Would we be talking about the president, or someone else who can't do anything right? |
| 06:25 |
sofar |
last I heard Kim Jong still had 99.99% approval, so I'm definitely not talking about him |
| 06:25 |
benrob0329 |
Well no, but thats a different problem |
| 06:27 |
benrob0329 |
I find that politics is often riddled with more problems than it solves, which is why I like to stay out of it :-) |
| 06:28 |
benrob0329 |
At least, when not talking about fundamental human rights |
| 06:29 |
benrob0329 |
Outside of that there tends to be "my internet source is less BS than your internet source" back and forth from both sides of an argument |
| 06:34 |
sofar |
are we doing this? |
| 06:34 |
sofar |
like, take the embassador to the netherlands |
| 06:34 |
sofar |
on video, says "streets are burning, there are no-go zones in the netherlands" (2015) |
| 06:34 |
sofar |
then denies it |
| 06:34 |
sofar |
then denies the denial |
| 06:34 |
sofar |
it seems we're just breeding liars |
| 06:35 |
sofar |
maybe it's time to un-breed them |
| 06:35 |
sofar |
I'm pretty sure that if we stop giving them money they'd stop lying too, btw |
| 06:39 |
benrob0329 |
sofar: when politicians run a country there are sure to be problems |
| 06:40 |
sofar |
you know, that's utter nonsense |
| 06:40 |
jas_ |
>Yeah, I think it would be really nice to have a server hosting subforum :D |
| 06:40 |
sofar |
it's just that we've made politicians in the USA into professional liars |
| 06:41 |
jas_ |
that's what i thought, because Servers is in General Discussion |
| 06:41 |
sofar |
it doesn't mean they can't do any good |
| 06:41 |
sofar |
or that being a politician is a bad thing |
| 06:41 |
sofar |
it's just a bad thing because there are no ethical boundaries anymore for politicians |
| 06:41 |
sofar |
at least, in the US |
| 06:41 |
benrob0329 |
sofar: I cant speak for other countries, but thats how it tends to be in the US |
| 06:41 |
sofar |
yeah, so, there are still honest politicians |
| 06:42 |
sofar |
I'm convinced, even in the US |
| 06:42 |
benrob0329 |
Some, perhaps |
| 06:42 |
jas_ |
doesn't really matter |
| 06:44 |
jas_ |
still wondering about a servers forum. because there's 1) Featured, 2) General, 3) User-Contributed, 4) Engine Development. (I don't see offtopic logged off.) I think there should be a Servers section |
| 06:44 |
jas_ |
(instead of being in general) |
| 06:44 |
benrob0329 |
Servers have a topic |
| 06:45 |
jas_ |
but i don't know what would go in there besides just the servers LOL and hosting which is a new idea -- not even sure it'd be worth it |
| 06:45 |
jas_ |
General->Servers |
| 06:45 |
jas_ |
I propose Servers->Servers |
| 06:45 |
jas_ |
heh |
| 06:45 |
jas_ |
and maybe Servers->Hosting |
| 06:45 |
jas_ |
or Servers->Dead Servers |
| 06:45 |
jas_ |
etc |
| 06:46 |
benrob0329 |
Dead mods don't even get pulled half the time :^) |
| 06:46 |
sofar |
because most of the time they can still be downloaded and used |
| 06:46 |
sofar |
dead server? not so much |
| 06:47 |
benrob0329 |
Like all of Zeg9's mods should be moved to Mt-mods or old mods imho |
| 06:47 |
sofar |
I asked him |
| 06:47 |
jas_ |
organizational, historical |
| 06:47 |
sofar |
like, twice, over a year apart |
| 06:47 |
benrob0329 |
They may work, but they arent maintained |
| 06:47 |
jas_ |
anyway, there's General, Mods, and I think Servers should be part of them there |
| 06:47 |
jas_ |
General, Mods/Games, Servers |
| 06:47 |
sofar |
some of the people I asked even on their gmail address |
| 06:47 |
sofar |
no response |
| 06:48 |
benrob0329 |
Then the mods should be pulled from the main categories, otherwise they'll continue to be used even though abandoned |
| 06:50 |
benrob0329 |
Like honestly do these links even work anymore? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=2841 |
| 06:51 |
benrob0329 |
I feel like moved mods should not show up in the old category anymore |
| 06:52 |
jas_ |
haha that door mod |
| 06:53 |
jas_ |
i've seen that before, it's very interesting nonetheless! |
| 06:53 |
jas_ |
(not interested enough to try it, i wonder which version it broke at.) |
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| 10:06 |
tenplus1 |
hi folks |
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Raven262 |
Hi ten |
| 10:21 |
tenplus1 |
hi raven |
| 10:21 |
tenplus1 |
hi CWz |
| 10:22 |
CWz |
ello |
| 10:22 |
tenplus1 |
o/ |
| 10:39 |
tenplus1 |
Farming Redo updated, nothing major just localized functions |
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tenplus1 |
hi srifqi |
| 10:50 |
srifqi |
Hi tenplus1! |
| 10:50 |
srifqi |
Long time no see, right? |
| 10:50 |
tenplus1 |
hows the holiday season so far ? |
| 10:51 |
Raven262 |
#6839 - looks epic, testing now. |
| 10:52 |
tenplus1 |
checkng |
| 10:52 |
srifqi |
Seems like I sleep too much this holiday. |
| 10:53 |
tenplus1 |
I hear ya, lack of sun for all |
| 10:53 |
tenplus1 |
raven: oh yeah, dyanmic shadowing looks amazing |
| 10:53 |
Raven262 |
Does it seem to lag on the video? Anyways, I'm compiling the branch. |
| 10:54 |
Raven262 |
I really wanna see this. |
| 10:54 |
tenplus1 |
you do need a decent gpu for it, and recording at same time would cause laggy vid |
| 10:54 |
Raven262 |
I hope my APU will be able to run it. |
| 10:55 |
tenplus1 |
:P |
| 10:57 |
srifqi |
"The Travis CI build failed" ._. |
| 10:57 |
tenplus1 |
nuuu |
| 10:58 |
Raven262 |
Client::getModFile(): File not found: "*builtin*:/common/strict.lua" |
| 10:59 |
Raven262 |
An error^ |
| 10:59 |
Raven262 |
There is more, but I have no idea what it means anyway. |
| 10:59 |
Amaz |
Hello all :) |
| 10:59 |
Raven262 |
Hi Amaz :D |
| 11:00 |
tenplus1 |
hi Amaz |
| 11:00 |
Amaz |
Happy Christmas :D |
| 11:00 |
tenplus1 |
hows the hols ?? |
| 11:00 |
Amaz |
Very good ,thanks :) |
| 11:01 |
tenplus1 |
sweet :P |
| 11:01 |
Amaz |
How are they for you? |
| 11:02 |
tenplus1 |
finally off work :P was buuuuusy |
| 11:02 |
Amaz |
Glad you're free now :D |
| 11:07 |
tenplus1 |
my wee Acer Aspire Revo is well over 7 years old now... am thinking of upgrading to rasp pi or tinkerboard :D |
| 11:12 |
Megaf |
Hi tenplus1 |
| 11:12 |
Megaf |
Hi Raven262 |
| 11:12 |
tenplus1 |
o/ Megaf |
| 11:12 |
Megaf |
Hi all |
| 11:12 |
Raven262 |
Hi Megaf |
| 11:19 |
Megaf |
reading about fish species. Getting very hungry!! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salmonidae |
| 11:19 |
tenplus1 |
lol |
| 11:19 |
tenplus1 |
am contemplating one of these: http://www.trustedreviews.com/reviews/asus-tinker-board |
| 11:19 |
Megaf |
And I got there reading about salamanders, then metamorphposis and now salmon stuff |
| 11:24 |
tenplus1 |
ooh, mobs that metamorphose into bigger badder species if they do certain things... o.O |
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tenplus1 |
hi fussel |
| 11:28 |
IhrFussel |
Got my new VPS (that was fast) ... now I need some commands to benchmark the performance |
| 11:28 |
tenplus1 |
nice one |
| 11:28 |
IhrFussel |
Hi tenplus1 ... yeah well yesterday I was told here that my dedi is actually extremely weak and that the server lags most likely happen cause the RAM is so slow |
| 11:29 |
IhrFussel |
The RAM is 400 DDR2 DIMM 400mhz |
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| 11:30 |
Megaf |
IhrFussel: benrob0329 made a mod for that :) |
| 11:30 |
IhrFussel |
-400* |
| 11:30 |
tenplus1 |
hi fixer |
| 11:30 |
Megaf |
IhrFussel: I had the same lag with SSDs, DDR3 and Xeon CPUs man |
| 11:30 |
IhrFussel |
The CPU of the VPS is Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2680 v3 @ 2.50GHz |
| 11:31 |
tenplus1 |
ssd and lag in the same sentence ??? |
| 11:31 |
Megaf |
BAD devs WILL ALWAYS blame hardware |
| 11:31 |
Megaf |
its never their fault |
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Megaf |
always potato hardware fault |
| 11:32 |
IhrFussel |
No details about RAM, lshw only shows "12 GBit memory" |
| 11:33 |
Megaf |
This is the CPU I had before Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2680 v3 @ 2.50GHz |
| 11:33 |
Megaf |
IhrFussel: Are you using Linode? |
| 11:34 |
IhrFussel |
Nope, seems like many hosters offer that CPU as VPS ... it was the cheapest option ($1 for 6 months, then $15 per month) |
| 11:34 |
sfan5 |
Megaf: if you use RAM with half the speed of normal consumer RAM, you can't expect good performance |
| 11:34 |
tenplus1 |
yup.... also hi sfan5 |
| 11:34 |
IhrFussel |
sfan5, how can I test my RAM now with the VPS? |
| 11:35 |
sfan5 |
dunno |
| 11:35 |
Megaf |
IhrFussel: 1 USD for 6 months!? |
| 11:35 |
IhrFussel |
I only have a few days to "undo" my contract...my hoster gives me these days to try it out |
| 11:35 |
Megaf |
sfan5: common man, Minetest doesnt even offer any benchmark tool |
| 11:35 |
sfan5 |
running a minetest server on it is the best benchmark |
| 11:38 |
Megaf |
!up 5.196.88.227 30003 |
| 11:38 |
MinetestBot |
5.196.88.227:30003 is up (10ms) |
| 11:39 |
tenplus1 |
!up 98.166.87.1 30000 |
| 11:39 |
MinetestBot |
98.166.87.1:30000 is up (108ms) |
| 11:39 |
tenplus1 |
ooh |
| 11:41 |
IhrFussel |
I'm running sysbench now |
| 11:42 |
IhrFussel |
sysbench --test=cpu --cpu-max-prime=20000 run < 27 seconds |
| 11:43 |
IhrFussel |
Next is I/O then memory |
| 11:43 |
Fixer |
hi |
| 11:43 |
IhrFussel |
Is 27 seconds *low*? It sounds like a lot |
| 11:44 |
rubenwardy |
I think it was 3 for my server |
| 11:44 |
IhrFussel |
Single threaded? |
| 11:44 |
rubenwardy |
? |
| 11:44 |
rubenwardy |
do you mean single cored? No |
| 11:44 |
IhrFussel |
The command runs 1 thread not multiple |
| 11:45 |
rubenwardy |
ah, 26s for me |
| 11:45 |
IhrFussel |
So 27 is good then |
| 11:45 |
rubenwardy |
tbh, benchmarking CPU is a bit silly. You get most of what you need from the clocking and number of cores stats |
| 11:46 |
IhrFussel |
Is this I/O good? Read 37.722Gb Written 25.148Gb Total transferred 62.869Gb (214.59Mb/sec) 13733.81 Requests/sec executed |
| 11:48 |
IhrFussel |
Total time is 300 secs* |
| 11:49 |
sfan5 |
that's pretty good |
| 11:51 |
IhrFussel |
And memory bandwith (test via mbw -t2 4096) AVGMethod: MCBLOCKElapsed: 0.74638MiB: 4096.00000Copy: 5487.844 MiB/s |
| 11:53 |
IhrFussel |
MEMCPY is a little slower AVGMethod: MEMCPYElapsed: 0.85070MiB: 4096.00000Copy: 4814.883 MiB/s |
| 11:54 |
IhrFussel |
I'd like someone with a powerful PC/dedi/VPS to enter those commands into their terminal and post the AVG since I have no clue what values are good there |
| 11:55 |
IhrFussel |
First command is "mbw -t0 4096" and 2nd "mbw -t2 4096" |
| 11:57 |
Megaf |
I hate CentOS |
| 11:58 |
Megaf |
they dont have anything in the hepos... |
| 11:58 |
Megaf |
repos* |
| 11:58 |
Megaf |
IhrFussel: run with 1024 |
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IhrFussel |
Megaf, it's the same there no difference between 1024 and 4096 |
| 12:01 |
IhrFussel |
I mean regarding speed |
| 12:02 |
IhrFussel |
AVGMethod: MEMCPYElapsed: 0.20947MiB: 1024.00000Copy: 4888.563 MiB/s +++ AVGMethod: MCBLOCKElapsed: 0.18916MiB: 1024.00000Copy: 5413.266 MiB/s |
| 12:02 |
Megaf |
AVG Method: MEMCPY Elapsed: 0.87157 MiB: 1024.00000 Copy: 1174.885 MiB/s |
| 12:02 |
Megaf |
that was t0 |
| 12:02 |
Megaf |
AVG Method: MCBLOCK Elapsed: 0.39268 MiB: 1024.00000 Copy: 2607.725 MiB/s |
| 12:02 |
Megaf |
that was t2 |
| 12:03 |
IhrFussel |
Let me run that on my old dedi now one sec |
| 12:05 |
IhrFussel |
Not sure if my dedi RAM is an actual bottleneck ... seems decent (test via mbw -t2 4096) AVG Method: MCBLOCK Elapsed: 0.74638 MiB: 4096.00000 Copy: 5487.844 MiB/s |
| 12:05 |
IhrFussel |
Oops wait |
| 12:05 |
IhrFussel |
This is the right one >>> AVGMethod: MEMCPYElapsed: 0.44625MiB: 1024.00000Copy: 2294.653 MiB/s |
| 12:06 |
Megaf |
was that t0? |
| 12:07 |
IhrFussel |
Yep and here is t2 >>> AVGMethod: MCBLOCKElapsed: 0.30606MiB: 1024.00000Copy: 3345.747 MiB/s |
| 12:07 |
IhrFussel |
If I understand that correctly my dedi can move 2+ GB per SECOND in RAM ... how would that slowdown MT? |
| 12:08 |
rubenwardy |
RAM won't be an issue |
| 12:08 |
rubenwardy |
the main issue is usually storage |
| 12:08 |
IhrFussel |
Are you kidding me?? Last night everyone felt sorry for my "crappy RAM" |
| 12:08 |
rubenwardy |
unless you have a weak CPU |
| 12:09 |
rubenwardy |
how much RAM do you have? |
| 12:09 |
rubenwardy |
because the issue would more be the size, as a server with lots of players can use lots |
| 12:09 |
IhrFussel |
1GiB DIMM DDR2 Synchronous 400 MHz (2,5 ns) x 4 |
| 12:09 |
rubenwardy |
due to loaded chunks |
| 12:09 |
rubenwardy |
1GB is tiny |
| 12:10 |
tenplus1 |
yeah, for an Mt server you need at least 4gb |
| 12:10 |
IhrFussel |
4 x 1 GB |
| 12:10 |
rubenwardy |
doesn't allow much caching |
| 12:10 |
rubenwardy |
4GB is better |
| 12:10 |
IhrFussel |
But read the log from last night...when I posted the RAM specs they said "no wonder MT runs so slow" |
| 12:11 |
rubenwardy |
any more traditional server owners willing to provide memory usage stats on their servers with 20+ players? |
| 12:11 |
tenplus1 |
Xanadu tends to run at 1.8gb to 2.1gb with 20 odd players active... |
| 12:12 |
tenplus1 |
last we checked :P 0.4.16 (july 19th build) |
| 12:12 |
IhrFussel |
This new VPS has 12 GB RAM and the RAM is almost twice as fast...the CPU seems to be much better than my dedi one (Intel Xeon vs AMD Opteron) |
| 12:13 |
IhrFussel |
I just fear the inconsistent performance since I have to share the machine with others and only get "6 vCores" |
| 12:16 |
rubenwardy |
CTF is 0.35GB with 26 players |
| 12:16 |
rubenwardy |
which is why I asked for traditional players |
| 12:16 |
tenplus1 |
ehe, gotta tweak some settings to get it that low here :) we run on desktop |
| 12:16 |
rubenwardy |
ew, server on a residential internet? :O |
| 12:17 |
tenplus1 |
yup :) still runs well tho |
| 12:27 |
Megaf |
10:08 <IhrFussel> Are you kidding me?? Last night everyone felt sorry for my "crappy RAM" |
| 12:27 |
Megaf |
welcoem to my world |
| 12:27 |
Megaf |
been blamed on hardware all the time |
| 12:27 |
tenplus1 |
:P |
| 12:28 |
IhrFussel |
Did sofar compare my dedi RAM to his local PC or what? Why did he say my RAM is terrible |
| 12:29 |
IhrFussel |
Luckily I only pay $1 per month for this VPS for now so I'm not mad |
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| 12:35 |
tenplus1 |
hi thomas |
| 12:35 |
ThomasMonroe |
hi tenplus1 |
| 12:37 |
* tenplus1 |
sips le coffee |
| 12:37 |
* ThomasMonroe |
doesn't drink coffee |
| 12:37 |
ThomasMonroe |
:P |
| 12:38 |
IhrFussel |
This VPS is literally naked...I have to install all the common packages myself..there wasn't even apt-add-repository |
| 12:38 |
tenplus1 |
I got tea, coffee, wine, cola, water, orange and fresh air |
| 12:38 |
Shara |
IhrFussel: 21 players and 2GB RAM use for me right now |
| 12:38 |
IhrFussel |
You need to ping rubenwardy with that Shara xP |
| 12:39 |
tenplus1 |
hi Shara |
| 12:39 |
Shara |
Hi Ten |
| 12:39 |
Shara |
IhrFussel: Looked like he was asking to compare to your situation anyway |
| 12:40 |
Shara |
And have gone up to 24 players, but it's still holding at 2GB |
| 12:40 |
Shara |
To be honest, it's always been CPU where servers I'm involved with seem to feel strain, not RAM |
| 12:41 |
tenplus1 |
agree'd... lua can be heavy depending on the mods |
| 12:42 |
IhrFussel |
RAM usage was never my problem though?? I said my dedi tends to have 1-2 sec max_lag constantly with 10+ players |
| 12:42 |
rubenwardy |
my server is network limited |
| 12:42 |
rubenwardy |
I think |
| 12:42 |
rubenwardy |
maybe due to settings |
| 12:43 |
IhrFussel |
But a AMD Opteron from 2009 isn't the best CPU you can have + single core performance seems to be bad for that one |
| 12:44 |
Shara |
DarkLands on the other hand, is sitting at just under 1GB RAM with 14 players |
| 12:46 |
srifqi |
tenplus1, fresh air? |
| 12:46 |
Shara |
RAM on both servers is constant as well, whereas CPU use is all over the place |
| 12:46 |
* tenplus1 |
hands srifqi some fresh air |
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| 12:51 |
tenplus1 |
hi CB |
| 12:51 |
CBugDCoder |
hi ten |
| 12:52 |
* srifqi |
thanks tenplus1 for fresh air |
| 12:52 |
* srifqi |
inhales it |
| 12:52 |
tenplus1 |
:P fresh scottish air |
| 12:52 |
* srifqi |
feels refreshed |
| 12:52 |
srifqi |
that's cold fresh air :) |
| 12:52 |
tenplus1 |
-4c here today... brr |
| 12:53 |
srifqi |
mostly about 19C in the night here .-. |
| 12:53 |
tenplus1 |
not bad :) |
| 12:54 |
srifqi |
tropical zone |
| 12:54 |
CBugDCoder |
ten look at pr #6844 :) |
| 12:54 |
srifqi |
i wonder whether i can stand with really cold air |
| 12:55 |
tenplus1 |
+1'd that already :P it's like the night vision issue I posted a while back :) we need a fullbriht mode |
| 12:55 |
CBugDCoder |
ok :) |
| 12:55 |
tenplus1 |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6509 |
| 12:55 |
tenplus1 |
ahh it's listed already :) sweet |
| 12:56 |
tenplus1 |
this would be so helpful for spells and night vision items... |
| 12:57 |
tenplus1 |
I do like the idea of privs handling most of the new features :P |
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tenplus1 |
wb compunerd |
| 13:00 |
CBugDCoder |
yea although it also would be nice to be able to "force" a player to have it on via a hub flag |
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| 13:04 |
IhrFussel |
The VPS is crazy fast O.O ... compiling minetest from SCRATCH in 60 seconds |
| 13:04 |
tenplus1 |
wow! |
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tenplus1 |
hi Jordach |
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| 13:08 |
tenplus1 |
hi lisac |
| 13:08 |
lisac |
hey tenplus1 |
| 13:08 |
Jordach |
https://youtu.be/_NgtJ7A9avA |
| 13:08 |
lisac |
Hope you saw the best PR yet? |
| 13:08 |
tenplus1 |
dynamic lighting ? |
| 13:09 |
lisac |
aye |
| 13:09 |
lisac |
Jordach: that looks awesome |
| 13:09 |
tenplus1 |
:pPpPpP |
| 13:09 |
Megaf |
link for best PR please |
| 13:09 |
tenplus1 |
ooh nice, did you do the model yourself Jordach ? |
| 13:09 |
IhrFussel |
How can I tell git to download the backports branch and not master? |
| 13:09 |
Jordach |
tenplus1: yes |
| 13:09 |
tenplus1 |
sweet |
| 13:10 |
Jordach |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/6839 |
| 13:12 |
lisac |
IhrFussel: git clone, cd <dir>, git checkout <branch> |
| 13:13 |
lisac |
so, git clone https://whatever.whatever/whatever.git whatever |
| 13:13 |
lisac |
cd whatever |
| 13:13 |
lisac |
git checkout this_branch |
| 13:14 |
IhrFussel |
lisac, I am in the accindetally pulled master directory now ... where do I go from here? |
| 13:14 |
lisac |
git checkout <branch> |
| 13:14 |
IhrFussel |
accidentally* |
| 13:15 |
lisac |
so, git checkout backport-0.4 |
| 13:15 |
IhrFussel |
Already on '0.4-backports' |
| 13:15 |
lisac |
good. You're done. |
| 13:15 |
lisac |
do 'git checkout master' to return to the master branch |
| 13:15 |
IhrFussel |
But I mean I need to download the backports files, I have the master files now in my directory |
| 13:16 |
lisac |
when you 'git clone', you download all branches already. |
| 13:16 |
sfan5 |
git checkout will update the files as required |
| 13:16 |
IhrFussel |
So just compile after? |
| 13:16 |
lisac |
yeah |
| 13:17 |
lisac |
cd build && cmake .. && make -j5 |
| 13:19 |
IhrFussel |
Can I just replace this line in my build script? https://github.com/minetest/minetest.git; |
| 13:19 |
IhrFussel |
I tried to compile and it still said 0.5.0-dev |
| 13:20 |
sfan5 |
then something went wrong |
| 13:21 |
IhrFussel |
But this is correct so far? https://pastebin.com/HyZCvhKr |
| 13:25 |
sfan5 |
you don't need half of those anyway because you're not building a client |
| 13:25 |
Jordach |
🤔 |
| 13:25 |
IhrFussel |
git branch only shows * master ... is that correct? |
| 13:26 |
rubenwardy |
git checkout will automatically create local braches from remote branches |
| 13:28 |
IhrFussel |
Now I tried checkoeut again and see "Switched to a new branch 'backport-0.4'" ... can I compile now? |
| 13:28 |
sfan5 |
yes |
| 13:28 |
sfan5 |
someone should really create a proper server compiling script |
| 13:28 |
IhrFussel |
But how does the compiler know which files to compile when nothing changed? |
| 13:29 |
IhrFussel |
I see no "diff" when I type checkout just "Switched to a new branch" |
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tenplus1 |
hi evergreen |
| 13:31 |
sfan5 |
that's fine, just run make |
| 13:32 |
IhrFussel |
Ahh seems to work now...0.4.17-dev |
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| 13:41 |
IhrFussel |
Anyone got some free time and want to test server lag on my VPS? 85.214.239.123 port 25000 ... I will give you fly and fast when you join |
| 13:42 |
sfan5 |
maybe in 30 minutes |
| 13:43 |
IhrFussel |
Or wait, I'll set those as default privs |
| 13:43 |
sfan5 |
i don't have 0.4.16 installed here anyway |
| 13:52 |
IhrFussel |
sfan5, does vCores mean they count as real cores and I could theoretically set num_emerge_threads to 4 since I have 6? |
| 13:52 |
sfan5 |
yes |
| 14:09 |
IhrFussel |
The VPS seems to have a much better performance...it's even below systemd process in top when idling |
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| 14:53 |
Calinou |
vCores are not the same as real cores |
| 14:53 |
Calinou |
they're shared, but VDS (Virtual Dedicated Server, more expensive than a VPS) come with dedicated (but virtual!) cores |
| 14:53 |
Calinou |
unlike a VPS, you won't get slapped if you use 100% of the CPU on a VDS |
| 14:53 |
Calinou |
(for long periods of time) |
| 14:54 |
Calinou |
VDSes are rarely interesting from an economical point of view, though |
| 14:54 |
IhrFussel |
I know that they are not 100% real cores, but they act like real ones |
| 14:54 |
Calinou |
yeah, until someone runs their Chrome headless bot to farm clicks |
| 14:54 |
Calinou |
:-) |
| 14:54 |
Calinou |
(true story, I know someone who was a volunteer at a French nonprofit VPS provider) |
| 14:55 |
IhrFussel |
Right now the VPS performance is much better compared to my dedi and max_lag peaks at 0.3 whereas on my dedi it would be above 1.0 now |
| 14:57 |
IhrFussel |
It stays at 0.1 when not moving on the map for a few minutes...that is amazing... but I wanna know how low the performance can get when someone else runs something intensive |
| 15:05 |
IhrFussel |
The texture pack shouldn't affect server perfrormance right? It's just sent to clients and the do the rest? |
| 15:06 |
IhrFussel |
they* |
| 15:06 |
tenplus1 |
only connection times when buffering media |
| 15:11 |
IhrFussel |
I'm flying around with fast, kill lots of mobs, use noclip ... max_lag 0.16 |
| 15:12 |
IhrFussel |
I think I will move over to that VPS... |
| 15:13 |
IhrFussel |
The only problem is the IP ... is there a way to reidirect my players from one IP to another? |
| 15:15 |
IhrFussel |
Or I just let the old server still run for some time and show everone an error on prejoin "We moved to another IP" or so |
| 15:22 |
rubenwardy |
I did that ^ |
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| 15:25 |
sfan5 |
this is why you should use a domain name instead |
| 15:25 |
Krock |
hi tenplus1 |
| 15:25 |
tenplus1 |
hey krock |
| 15:25 |
tenplus1 |
how's things ? |
| 15:25 |
Krock |
just fine, thanks? how about you? |
| 15:25 |
tenplus1 |
oh so tired :P but okie |
| 15:26 |
Krock |
duh.. I see. you were slower than me this time |
| 15:26 |
tenplus1 |
lol |
| 15:26 |
tenplus1 |
updating my mobile :P and wondering why google wants so many apps on it I dont use ?!?! |
| 15:29 |
rubenwardy |
and +1 to sfan5 |
| 15:29 |
rubenwardy |
they're really cheap |
| 15:30 |
rubenwardy |
especially compared to hosting |
| 15:30 |
rubenwardy |
tenplus1, what apps? It's more likely to be your OEM |
| 15:31 |
IhrFussel |
sfan5, I actually have a free .tk domain ... unfortunately I forgot to set in minetest.conf as address |
| 15:32 |
tenplus1 |
Ruben: google keyboard, google launcher, google play store, youtube, google services etc. etc. |
| 15:32 |
rubenwardy |
fair |
| 15:32 |
* Shara |
really should get a domain name... |
| 15:32 |
rubenwardy |
although google keyboard isn't required by google |
| 15:32 |
rubenwardy |
Shara, you should! |
| 15:32 |
tenplus1 |
pain in the butt... cant wait for a truly open linux mobile... |
| 15:32 |
Shara |
It's completely ridiculous that I still didn't. |
| 15:33 |
Shara |
But I still didn't find one I like, and don't really want to use one of my free ones (even if I managed to hold them for several years already...) |
| 15:37 |
IhrFussel |
Calinou, does more vCores mean -> more minimum performance? |
| 15:40 |
benrob0329 |
tenplus1: Krock: |
| 15:40 |
* benrob0329 |
uploaded an image: screenshot_20171227_003158.png (909KB) <https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/BbAhuhmkpqUrsSoSQlPGIDkN> |
| 15:40 |
benrob0329 |
Semi-random pattern plays nicer with the mipmap |
| 15:40 |
tenplus1 |
heh, semi transparant entity :) sweet |
| 15:41 |
Krock |
benrob0329, <tardis sounds plays> |
| 15:58 |
IhrFussel |
Does the tar command support partoffile*.txt ? |
| 15:58 |
tenplus1 |
it should do |
| 15:59 |
tenplus1 |
although I tend to pre-select whole folders for backup |
| 16:14 |
IhrFussel |
I wonder why the VPS has a 500 mbit/s connection while my dedi only has a 100 mbit/s one |
| 16:14 |
IhrFussel |
It's the same hoster ... kinda not fair |
| 16:16 |
tenplus1 |
a small preview into the anti-net neutrality changes :PPP |
| 16:19 |
benrob0329 |
IhrFussel: because you have a greedy hoster? :P |
| 16:24 |
benrob0329 |
tenplus1: the new masks are generated using blender, so no hand drawn masks :D |
| 16:24 |
tenplus1 |
it looks pretty kewl :D |
| 16:25 |
benrob0329 |
Thanks, now I have to male it have the features of the node |
| 16:34 |
IhrFussel |
Is that how tar is supposed to work? tar -czvf mtmove.tar.gz .minetest/worlds/oldserver ... when I unzip that in my home directory it puts the files into .minetest/worlds/oldserver o.o |
| 16:35 |
rubenwardy |
it includes the full path as part of it |
| 16:35 |
rubenwardy |
so you want to cd to it |
| 16:35 |
rubenwardy |
cd .minetest/worlds/; tar -czvf ~/mtmove.tar.gz oldserver |
| 16:36 |
rubenwardy |
then it'll untar to "oldserver" |
| 16:36 |
IhrFussel |
So did it overwrite my whole .minetest directory now? Or just added files that weren't there before? |
| 16:36 |
tenplus1 |
we use this to backup xanadu: tar cpzfv $(date +%F).tar.gz .minetest |
| 16:38 |
rubenwardy |
does anyone know how I can generate a series of gorges? |
| 16:39 |
rubenwardy |
hmmm |
| 16:41 |
* tenplus1 |
calls upon the earthquake gods |
| 16:41 |
rubenwardy |
I basically want a simple maze of gorges |
| 16:42 |
rubenwardy |
with two clearings |
| 16:42 |
tenplus1 |
I think there;s a mod that loads a bitmap image to generate landscape... could use that to have peaks and gorges in specific areas |
| 16:42 |
rubenwardy |
oooh, that's a good idea |
| 16:42 |
rubenwardy |
then I can edit it to look more natural after loading it in |
| 16:43 |
tenplus1 |
yup :) |
| 16:44 |
tenplus1 |
gotta play around with that mod at some point :) would be interesting |
| 16:45 |
rubenwardy |
do you know the name? |
| 16:46 |
tenplus1 |
checking |
| 16:47 |
tenplus1 |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=6751&hilit=bitmap |
| 16:47 |
tenplus1 |
think it's that one |
| 16:48 |
rubenwardy |
that's for placing them as images using wool, not heightmaps |
| 16:48 |
Amaz |
I think this one adds 3d detail to it: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=12666 |
| 16:48 |
tenplus1 |
ooh yeah, das it :))) |
| 16:49 |
tenplus1 |
1st one had no screenshots so wasnt sure :D |
| 16:49 |
tenplus1 |
thanks amaz |
| 16:49 |
Amaz |
np :) |
| 16:56 |
IhrFussel |
BUG found: Searching for [ in the server list crashes the main menu |
| 16:57 |
tenplus1 |
crap, must be a :find special code |
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| 16:58 |
tenplus1 |
o/ paramat |
| 16:59 |
rubenwardy |
heh, doesn't work |
| 16:59 |
rubenwardy |
IhrFussel, fixed in 0.5 |
| 16:59 |
rubenwardy |
I believe |
| 16:59 |
IhrFussel |
Hi paramat ... I found that bug cause I wanted to name my new server list entry [NEW] IFS to tell people which one is the new one |
| 16:59 |
rubenwardy |
ok, apparently not |
| 16:59 |
IhrFussel |
That could be |
| 17:00 |
rubenwardy |
it's due to Lua's stupid stupid standard library |
| 17:00 |
tenplus1 |
lol |
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| 17:11 |
tenplus1 |
hi evergreen |
| 17:12 |
rubenwardy |
https://github.com/bobombolo/realterrain/issues/1 |
| 17:12 |
rubenwardy |
:'( |
| 17:12 |
IhrFussel |
sfan5, now I have this error servers.minetest.net/announce not found (HTTP response code said error) (response code 418) |
| 17:13 |
tenplus1 |
disable mod security for that it says |
| 17:13 |
rubenwardy |
I did |
| 17:16 |
tenplus1 |
in need of a few nil checks... shoudl be fixable |
| 17:17 |
rubenwardy |
ah! |
| 17:17 |
rubenwardy |
there's a mode to remove biomes |
| 17:18 |
rubenwardy |
still crashes |
| 17:20 |
rubenwardy |
so, anyone got any other ideas for maps for CTF? |
| 17:20 |
rubenwardy |
preferably ones I don't need to write or fix a custom mapgen for |
| 17:20 |
tenplus1 |
lol |
| 17:26 |
IhrFussel |
Please can someone help?? I get 418 error when I try to announce to the server list |
| 17:28 |
paramat |
gorges hmm |
| 17:29 |
rubenwardy |
IhrFussel, only sfan5 can help you |
| 17:29 |
paramat |
you could use mgv7 and create high terrain, then use river channels to create the maze of gorges. remove water to make the gorges dry |
| 17:30 |
paramat |
river noise: small scale and high persistence to create a mazelike pattern |
| 17:31 |
paramat |
clear biomes and define a new biome with 'node_water = "air"' |
| 17:33 |
tenplus1 |
nite folks :PPP |
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rubenwardy |
paramat, hmmm, I'll have a try |
| 17:39 |
paramat |
river channels may not make a very good maze, but with persistence 0.7-1.0+ maybe |
| 17:39 |
rubenwardy |
it's not meant to be a maze as such |
| 17:40 |
rubenwardy |
more like a mesh |
| 17:40 |
rubenwardy |
so not many dead ends |
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rubenwardy |
I'll TAL |
| 17:40 |
tumeninodes |
paramat, no gorges till I see river option in Mg flat :P |
| 17:41 |
tumeninodes |
<crickets> |
| 17:42 |
rubenwardy |
I can use worldedit to get rid of water |
| 17:42 |
rubenwardy |
hmm |
| 17:42 |
rubenwardy |
how do I create high terrain? |
| 17:44 |
rubenwardy |
looks like this is making just a sea from multiple rivers connecting |
| 17:44 |
tumeninodes |
maybe valleys would be a better start point? |
| 17:45 |
rubenwardy |
huh, scale is an int |
| 17:45 |
rubenwardy |
I guess it's spread I want |
| 17:47 |
tumeninodes |
scale, I think |
| 17:47 |
rubenwardy |
is this what you meant? https://github.com/rubenwardy/capturetheflag/blob/multimap/mods/ctf_map/README.md |
| 17:47 |
rubenwardy |
eerrr |
| 17:47 |
rubenwardy |
oops |
| 17:47 |
rubenwardy |
heh |
| 17:48 |
rubenwardy |
https://i.rubenwardy.com/JVn8OnGP4f.png |
| 17:48 |
rubenwardy |
that link^^^ |
| 17:48 |
rubenwardy |
looks a bit odd to me |
| 17:48 |
tumeninodes |
o_o |
| 17:50 |
tumeninodes |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=227726#p227726 |
| 17:51 |
tumeninodes |
and this https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=227735#p227735 |
| 17:59 |
tumeninodes |
wishful thinking http://www-cs-students.stanford.edu/~amitp/game-programming/polygon-map-generation/ |
| 18:02 |
sfan5 |
IhrFussel: should work now |
| 18:02 |
IhrFussel |
What was the problem? Blacklisted? |
| 18:08 |
sfan5 |
make sure you're running backport-0.4 of minetest_game too |
| 18:09 |
IhrFussel |
That's the problem yeah... is there a way to get the backport master.zip via wget? |
| 18:09 |
sfan5 |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/archive/backport-0.4.zip |
| 18:16 |
paramat |
indeed the river channels may not make a good 'mesh', i was hoping high persistence might |
| 18:17 |
paramat |
the river noise 'scale' should be reduced 'np_ridge_uwater' |
| 18:17 |
paramat |
for high terrain set the noise 'offset' to a high number, for noises 'terrain base' and 'terrain alt' |
| 18:18 |
paramat |
oops |
| 18:18 |
paramat |
i mean river noise 'spread' should be reduved |
| 18:19 |
paramat |
*reduced |
| 18:19 |
paramat |
maybe to (500, 500, 500) |
| 18:20 |
paramat |
remove water by using a custom biome |
| 18:23 |
Megaf |
rubenwardy: CTF? |
| 18:25 |
IhrFussel |
Thanks, everything seems to work now and the lag is extremely low :D |
| 18:26 |
rubenwardy |
Megaf, capture the flag |
| 18:47 |
Megaf |
IhrFussel: what did you do to reduce lag? |
| 18:47 |
sfan5 |
he moved to a new server lol |
| 18:47 |
Megaf |
lol |
| 18:48 |
Megaf |
I got my map to load way faster by reducing global_server_step |
| 18:48 |
Megaf |
and there's virtualy no lag in carts |
| 18:49 |
Megaf |
That is so cool |
| 18:49 |
Megaf |
I can actually make a programable computer now in Minetest |
| 18:58 |
Megaf |
!seen lazyj |
| 18:58 |
MinetestBot |
Megaf: lazyj was last seen at 2017-12-26 17:15:30 UTC on #minetest |
| 18:58 |
Megaf |
!tell LazyJ Hi. |
| 18:58 |
MinetestBot |
Megaf: I'll pass that on when LazyJ is around |
| 18:58 |
Megaf |
!tell paramat Hi. |
| 18:58 |
MinetestBot |
Megaf: yeah, yeah |
| 19:06 |
IhrFussel |
max_lag 0.15 with EIGHT players and 175 mods... were my dedi specs really THAT bad? |
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* Megaf |
wonders how one get 15 players online |
| 19:24 |
Megaf |
thouh he said 8 |
| 19:27 |
Megaf |
Hold my beer, lets make a new server home hosted |
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| 19:35 |
Sokomine |
IhrFussel: same map, same mods? |
| 19:35 |
IhrFussel |
Anyone a clue why I cannot visit my web pages? I installed lighttpd and php-cgi and enabled everything and now I get PHP Fatal error: Uncaught PDOException: could not find driver in /var/www/index.php |
| 19:35 |
IhrFussel |
Sokomine, yes everything is the same and lag is crazy low so it was my dedi specs |
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MinetestBot |
paramat: Dec-27 18:58 UTC <Megaf> Hi. |
| 20:06 |
Fixer |
hold my peanuts |
| 20:07 |
Megaf |
I had forgotten how fast my Phenom II x4 955 BE was |
| 20:07 |
Megaf |
way faster than this Core2Duo |
| 20:08 |
Megaf |
no wonder, 4 3,2 GHz vs 2 2,4 GHz |
| 20:08 |
Megaf |
Though I have DDR 2 in my Phenom |
| 20:16 |
Megaf |
meh, in my Phenom I build two minetest servers in the time my Core2Duo builds 1/3 |
| 20:17 |
Megaf |
I wonder how fast is the ThreadRippers in building software |
| 20:19 |
IhrFussel |
"Microsoft joins" ... uh oh incoming lawsuit |
| 20:25 |
Megaf |
it's server_port or just port in minetest.conf to set the port the server will listen to? |
| 20:25 |
Megaf |
just port |
| 20:27 |
Megaf |
sofar: what's your remote media server? |
| 20:27 |
sofar |
what do you mean? |
| 20:27 |
Megaf |
sofar: I need for default subgame for backport-0.4 and master |
| 20:28 |
Megaf |
sofar: wasnt you who had a public media server? |
| 20:28 |
sofar |
yes |
| 20:28 |
sofar |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=18951 |
| 20:29 |
sofar |
just point to it, you'll get most stuff from my media server anyway |
| 20:29 |
sofar |
I should carry 0.4.16 mtg, I have git master now, but I'll add 0.4.16 |
| 20:29 |
sofar |
not that it matters that much |
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| 20:35 |
Megaf |
yep, added to the settings already |
| 20:35 |
Megaf |
I will be spinning up a 0.4.17 and a 0.5 server in 10 minutes or so |
| 20:36 |
Megaf |
they will be both vanilla and unmoderated servers |
| 20:42 |
xerox123 |
is 0.5.0-stable on the horizon anytime soon? |
| 20:43 |
Megaf |
how does Carpathian compares to v7 paramat ? |
| 20:43 |
Megaf |
xerox123: maybe Jan |
| 20:43 |
xerox123 |
yay |
| 20:44 |
Megaf |
I dont know which mapgen to use |
| 20:45 |
Megaf |
will trye valleys |
| 20:45 |
Shara |
Megaf, would be nice to see some servers using Carpathian |
| 20:45 |
Megaf |
Ok, Capathian it is then |
| 20:45 |
Shara |
Looks like there is only one so far, and it seems to be a russian language one |
| 20:46 |
Shara |
But using a different mapgen than the norm can be a good way to draw people in |
| 20:47 |
Megaf |
Two Carpathian server for that lovely girl over there! |
| 20:47 |
Megaf |
Would you like a glass of wine with that Shara ? |
| 20:47 |
Shara |
Red please :) |
| 20:48 |
Megaf |
Great choice |
| 20:50 |
IhrFussel |
xerox123, no not in Jan ... they want to overhault MT Android first before they release it |
| 20:50 |
IhrFussel |
overhaul* |
| 20:50 |
xerox123 |
aw |
| 20:50 |
Megaf |
xerox123: nothing is impossible tho |
| 20:51 |
Megaf |
sfan5: server list is broken |
| 20:51 |
sfan5 |
?_? |
| 20:53 |
Megaf |
sfan5: <ERROR> 2017-12-27 18:53:03: [CurlFetch] servers.minetest.net/announce not found (HTTP response code said error) (response code 418) |
| 20:53 |
Megaf |
!server =IML= |
| 20:53 |
MinetestBot |
Megaf: No results |
| 20:54 |
Megaf |
sfan5: two servers that begin with =IML= |
| 20:54 |
Megaf |
the IP/address is dynamic |
| 20:54 |
Megaf |
!up 179.177.215.108 30050 |
| 20:54 |
MinetestBot |
179.177.215.108:30050 is up (259ms) |
| 20:54 |
Megaf |
!up 179.177.215.108 30416 |
| 20:54 |
MinetestBot |
179.177.215.108:30416 seems to be down |
| 20:54 |
Megaf |
!up 179.177.215.108 30417 |
| 20:55 |
Megaf |
!up 179.177.215.108 30417 |
| 20:55 |
MinetestBot |
179.177.215.108:30417 is up (263ms) |
| 20:55 |
Megaf |
Shara: new servers using the carpathian mapgen |
| 20:55 |
Megaf |
30417 for Minetest 0.4.17 and 30050 for Minetest 0.5.0 |
| 20:56 |
Megaf |
thanks sfan5 |
| 20:56 |
IhrFussel |
rubenwardy, do you know if I can simply copy my SSL cert from my other machine? Or do I need to generate an entirely new one? |
| 20:56 |
Megaf |
!up =IML= |
| 20:56 |
MinetestBot |
Megaf: invalid address |
| 20:56 |
Megaf |
!server =IML= |
| 20:56 |
MinetestBot |
Megaf: "=IML= Clan Server - Minetest 0.5.0 Vanilla" | 179.177.215.108:30050 | Clients: 0/100, 0/0 | Version: 0.5.0-dev / minetest | Ping: 263ms |
| 20:56 |
Megaf |
yay |
| 20:56 |
sfan5 |
IhrFussel: SSL certs are not bound to your IP, you can copy them |
| 20:57 |
Megaf |
Im online in the 0.4.17 server |
| 21:02 |
paramat |
um |
| 21:03 |
paramat |
carp has much more realistic mountains, not floaty blobs |
| 21:03 |
paramat |
but no rivers |
| 21:04 |
paramat |
carp also has lots more flat space for building |
| 21:04 |
paramat |
the mountains really are stunning |
| 21:04 |
xerox123 |
can a 0.5 client connect to a 0.4.16 server? |
| 21:04 |
paramat |
no |
| 21:04 |
Megaf |
paramat: you call that realistic? |
| 21:04 |
Megaf |
really? |
| 21:05 |
paramat |
well, 'more' |
| 21:05 |
Megaf |
All I see is math waves |
| 21:05 |
paramat |
you and your waves |
| 21:05 |
Calinou |
meth waves would be more realistic |
| 21:06 |
paramat |
but then, perlin noise is a combination of irregular waves |
| 21:14 |
Megaf |
I cant edit anything in adv settings in minetst on macOS |
| 21:16 |
Megaf |
paramat: didnt find a single normal tree in carpathian yet |
| 21:17 |
Megaf |
!up megaf.hopto.org 30417 |
| 21:17 |
MinetestBot |
megaf.hopto.org:30417 seems to be down |
| 21:23 |
Megaf |
dont set fps_max = -1 |
| 21:23 |
Megaf |
just dont |
| 21:24 |
benrob0329 |
Megaf: *boom* |
| 21:25 |
Megaf |
I was expecting that to disable FPS limiter |
| 21:25 |
Megaf |
benrob0329: by the way, =IML= servers are a nice showcase for Minetest vanilla. I will try to keep them always updated. And they are in creative mode |
| 21:26 |
Megaf |
I just need people to start building there :P |
| 21:28 |
Sokomine |
carpathian really seems to look nice. a testworld just generated has huge plains |
| 21:31 |
Megaf |
Minetest is almost unplayable in macOS =/ |
| 21:31 |
Megaf |
mouse behaviour is so frustrating |
| 21:31 |
Megaf |
very jittery and unpredictable |
| 21:31 |
Megaf |
it was bad 5 years ago, now it's even worse |
| 21:31 |
Megaf |
even tho I'm playing at 200 FPS |
| 21:31 |
Megaf |
so dont fucking blame my hardware |
| 21:32 |
Megaf |
sfan5 ^^^^^^^^ |
| 21:32 |
benrob0329 |
MacOS is...*cough* |
| 21:32 |
Megaf |
macOS for you |
| 21:32 |
sfan5 |
how am I related to your rant about missing macOS support |
| 21:33 |
benrob0329 |
There is no support because no devs use MacOS afaik |
| 21:34 |
Megaf |
sfan5: you often blame my hardware |
| 21:37 |
Calinou |
Megaf: try setting some FPS limit |
| 21:37 |
Calinou |
(like 60 or 100) |
| 21:38 |
Calinou |
benrob0329: that is indeed true, macOS developers in "native" open source software are uncommon these days |
| 21:38 |
Calinou |
(i.e. not JavaScript) |
| 21:38 |
Megaf |
Calinou: the default is 60, increasing the FPS limit creating decrease jitter |
| 21:38 |
Megaf |
but it doesn elimitate, its a reported bug on github |
| 21:38 |
Calinou |
I saw it |
| 21:38 |
Megaf |
FPS limit is set to 1000 now |
| 21:40 |
Megaf |
MT for macOS should use macOS graphical server and not this thing called Xorg |
| 21:40 |
Megaf |
we dont use Xorg on WIndows do we? |
| 21:40 |
Megaf |
we dont use Xorg on Android, do we? |
| 21:40 |
Megaf |
Why do we use it in macOS? |
| 21:42 |
Megaf |
Any dev here that would accept a mac mini donation to better port Minetest for macOS? |
| 21:43 |
Calinou |
<Megaf> MT for macOS should use macOS graphical server and not this thing called Xorg |
| 21:43 |
Calinou |
feel free to implement support for it in Irrlicht :-) |
| 21:43 |
Calinou |
I think Irrlicht handles this, not Minetest |
| 21:44 |
Calinou |
also, Minetest has almost no players on macOS… |
| 21:44 |
Calinou |
most of the desktop players are on Windows or Linux |
| 21:48 |
paramat |
but yes carpathian is very wavey, mostly mixtures of 2D noise |
| 21:49 |
IhrFussel |
Calinou, any clue what's better about multiple virtual cores vs one? Does it mean I have more guaranteed performance? |
| 21:49 |
paramat |
biome distribution is not affected by mapgen choice, so keep travelling |
| 21:50 |
Calinou |
IhrFussel: it will perform better, especially for map generation |
| 21:50 |
Calinou |
and you should always have at least 2 for a game server |
| 21:50 |
Calinou |
else, anything the OS has to do in the background will slow down the game server process |
| 21:51 |
Megaf |
[19:44:10] <Calinou> also, Minetest has almost no players on macOS… |
| 21:51 |
Megaf |
of course, MT build barerly works |
| 21:51 |
benrob0329 |
Megaf: we dont use Xorg on MacOS afaik |
| 21:51 |
Calinou |
the other open source games which support macOS don't have that many players using it either |
| 21:51 |
IhrFussel |
Yes but I mean can other customers still slow down my server when I have 6 for myself? |
| 21:51 |
Megaf |
benrob0329: we do, it depends on XQuartz |
| 21:51 |
Megaf |
Xorg translation layer |
| 21:52 |
benrob0329 |
Ah |
| 21:52 |
benrob0329 |
Never built on MacOS, only installed |
| 21:52 |
Megaf |
it is a full bloat X server that runs on top of macOS graphical server |
| 21:52 |
Megaf |
its amazing it works at all |
| 21:52 |
IhrFussel |
If I understand it correctly 1 virtual core means a certain % of the actual CPU ... so more vcores should mean more % of the CPU for my needs |
| 21:52 |
Megaf |
and Irrlicht can use OpenGL directly AFAIK |
| 21:53 |
benrob0329 |
Megaf: OpenGL doesnt handle windowing |
| 21:53 |
Megaf |
http://www.irrlicht3d.org/wiki/index.php?n=Main.CompilingOnMacOSX |
| 21:53 |
Megaf |
Irrlicht uses X11... |
| 21:54 |
Megaf |
once again we are limited by Irrlicht... |
| 21:54 |
Megaf |
we MUST change the engine se use |
| 21:54 |
Megaf |
we use* |
| 21:54 |
benrob0329 |
Godot rewrite when? :P |
| 21:54 |
Megaf |
and drop Lua or at least use it's implementation for threads |
| 21:55 |
benrob0329 |
Why do you hate Lua? You dont even write code |
| 21:55 |
Megaf |
Godot supports even HTML5 |
| 21:55 |
Megaf |
benrob0329: I love Lua, I just believe it's not ideal for Minetest |
| 21:56 |
Megaf |
Due to the nature of our mods I believe Python would better suit us |
| 21:56 |
benrob0329 |
MT's biggest limitation is often a lack of developer experience, we need a graphics guy |
| 21:56 |
Megaf |
I'd say we shouldn't care for graphics yet |
| 21:56 |
Megaf |
we don't have the bare minimum working even |
| 21:56 |
paramat |
heh drop irrlicht and lua, i look forward to your PR |
| 21:56 |
benrob0329 |
Love2D uses Lua, and its games run lightning fast |
| 21:57 |
benrob0329 |
Even on mobile |
| 21:57 |
Megaf |
Minetest is way more complex than that |
| 21:57 |
Megaf |
can't compare |
| 21:57 |
benrob0329 |
MT handles a lot more in-engine |
| 21:58 |
Megaf |
If we were to drop Irrlicht and Lua, that would mean a 100% rewrite of Minetest, right? |
| 21:59 |
Calinou |
yes |
| 21:59 |
Calinou |
#RewriteMinetestInGodot |
| 21:59 |
Megaf |
we wouldn't be able to reuse any code, |
| 21:59 |
Megaf |
or would we? |
| 21:59 |
benrob0329 |
Gmod uses Lua, and has far more complex mods |
| 21:59 |
benrob0329 |
Maybe the meshgen, and networking |
| 21:59 |
Megaf |
benrob0329: no need to try to convince me, it wont happen. And MT wont change from Lua. So relax :) |
| 22:00 |
benrob0329 |
I just dont understand why you are so set on the idea that Lua is a problem |
| 22:01 |
benrob0329 |
We have some bad engine design, and some bad irrlicht usage |
| 22:09 |
Calinou |
Megaf: it's possible, but you probably wouldn't want to do it :) |
| 22:11 |
benrob0329 |
Megaf: there was a time when I hated Lua and though Python would be better for MT, I have since changed my stance quite a bit :-) |
| 22:15 |
rubenwardy |
Megaf: if you buy me a MBP, I'll fix Mac OS support |
| 22:15 |
rubenwardy |
Deal? |
| 22:15 |
rubenwardy |
:D |
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| 22:28 |
Megaf |
rubenwardy: Maybe. I need a job first |
| 22:28 |
Megaf |
me getting a job I will put money in Minetest |
| 22:29 |
Megaf |
I love Minetest. Minetest and me is the longest relationship I have ever had |
| 22:31 |
Calinou |
I get a feeling I've already seen that saying… |
| 22:38 |
Megaf |
me gusta https://germanalen.itch.io/verdigris |
| 22:39 |
Megaf |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVytT3s2FZA |
| 22:39 |
Megaf |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnYzNBRenEw |
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Megaf |
!title |
| 22:39 |
MinetestBot |
Megaf: Verdigris Gameplay - YouTube |
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Jordach |
[off |
| 22:40 |
Jordach |
reee |
| 22:41 |
Megaf |
I have no idea how to make a game like MT and MC |
| 22:42 |
Megaf |
kudos to c55 |
| 22:59 |
sofar |
paramat: are we ever going to get OpenSimplex noise instead of perlin noise? |
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paramat |
maybe, but not instead of |
| 23:27 |
paramat |
hmmmm was interested in adding simplex noise |
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paramat |
not sure if i would be able to code it |
| 23:42 |
Megaf |
in Lua or C++? |
| 23:53 |
sofar |
C++, doing it in lua would't help much |
| 23:53 |
sofar |
someone could already implement it in lua anyway |
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sfan5 |
would just be kinda slow |
