Time Nick Message 00:00 IhrFussel sofar, n't sound much but it is, I think 00:00 IhrFussel Oops 00:00 IhrFussel model name : Quad-Core AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 1381 00:02 sofar that's a 2009 processor 00:02 IhrFussel That should absolutely not matter, MT runs on a Celeron 00:02 sfan5 it runs yes, but nobody said it runs decently 00:02 sofar I can't call it junk, I'd have to write a disclaimer first that my opinions are my own and do not represent the views of my employer 00:03 sofar but now that I have done that 00:03 sofar I can call it junk 00:03 sofar tbh it's not that bad, it was a 189$ CPU in 2009 00:03 Jordach i wouldn't even run MT on a Bulldozer series CPU 00:03 sofar for AMD that's not a cheap CPU 00:04 sofar but I suspect, based on the CPU, that the motherboard is also similarly 9 years old 00:04 sofar and the RAM is as well 00:04 sofar and the storage is as well 00:05 sofar sigh, sorry, if I had known that's what your server was built of, I likely wouldn't have made you spent the time using profiling tools 00:06 IhrFussel sofar, memory 1GiB DIMM DDR2 Synchronous 400 MHz (2,5 ns) 00:06 Jordach there's ye bottleneck 00:06 sofar heh, 400MHz ram 00:08 IhrFussel I doubt that 400 mhz is too low to load a few mapblocks from/into memory 00:08 sofar it isn't 00:08 sofar it's just gonna be slow 00:08 Jordach i think my server has 1800mhz DDR3 on an Intel Atom C2750 @2.39G 00:09 Jordach it's also got three SSDs, 16GB RAM 00:09 sofar IhrFussel: http://foo-projects.org/~sofar/nbench-scores.txt 00:09 sofar some historical relevance to CPU performance over time 00:09 IhrFussel What's that now? std::vector >::operator= 00:09 sofar I've been keeping that list going for 15 years now 00:10 sofar your cpu would probably rank, my best bet, a score of ~12-13 or so, just a wild guess 00:10 sofar and that doesn't even account for memory speed 00:11 sofar your memory speed is also 1/4th of what has been "normal" memory speeds of "normal" desktop cpus 00:11 paramat 'MT runs on a Celeron' =) 00:11 sofar not even talking about 2400MHz ram with triple busses 00:11 sofar all in all your system is likely 20x slower than what's relatively current hardware 00:12 sfan5 sofar: you sure it's not half? 00:12 sfan5 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DDR3_SDRAM#JEDEC_standard_modules, desktop ram is usually DDR3-1600) 00:12 sofar 400 = 1/4th of 1600? 00:12 Sokomine paramat: well, for some degree of "run", it runs on a raspberry. that's not bad at all 00:12 paramat wow 1GB RAM 00:13 sfan5 you're comparing MHz and MT/s 00:13 sfan5 his ram is 400 MHz, so DDR3-800 with a data rate of 800 MT/s according to that table 00:14 sofar I'm probably off by a large factor in my estimates 00:14 sofar doesn't change anything, though 00:14 sfan5 still terrible, yes 00:14 sofar half of terrible, double of terrible :) 00:15 sofar IhrFussel: I feel bad for you, though, but I'd stop attempting to optimize anything if I were you 00:15 sofar stop wasting time :/ 00:16 Fixer BUT BUT HE LIKES TO WASTE TIME 00:16 sofar we're all in this channel, we all do :P 00:16 Fixer also, i forgot to check jordachs flying jet thing 00:17 paramat many people hit the 1GB limit of luajit and get OOM so 1GB seems low 00:17 Jordach right now i'm compiling a fuckoff amount of shaders 00:17 sofar 1gb isn't the issue, 1gb could be fine for a reasonable server 00:17 Fixer wait a second on luajit 00:17 sofar ITB could probably run in 512mb even 00:17 sofar same with CTF, I bet, or games like that 00:17 sfan5 sofar: at this point a good vps might even be better, right? 00:17 Fixer i was telling countless times that it is very weird 00:18 Fixer i measured lua mem usage just before OOM 00:18 Fixer it was like 90 mb at most 00:18 Jordach ^^^^ 00:18 Fixer wth??? 00:18 sofar sfan5: oh, absolutely 00:18 Fixer i get OOM with very low memory readings 00:18 Jordach i've seen it go at 32MB 00:18 sofar even the cheapest VPS servers give you a 2-3 year old CPU at most 00:18 sfan5 Fixer: no gc64? 00:18 Fixer nope 00:18 Sokomine sfan5: good setups and hardware recommendations might be intresting for people who want to host a server. maybe an article on the forum couldn't hurt 00:19 Jordach sfan5: start making 64bit builds GC64 00:19 sfan5 well there's your problem 00:19 Fixer sfan5: default builds 00:19 sofar sfan5: heck, try the AWS free tier, lol 00:19 sofar woop woop alert sofar is advertising again 00:19 sofar :P 00:19 Fixer sfan5: but wtf it ooms on 90mb? that technic_worldgen and some other sucker 00:19 sfan5 luajit (w/o gc64) can't just use any memory, it needs memory allocated below a 2GB address 00:19 Fixer even after optimisations 00:19 Sokomine some people claimed they had excellent hardware. yet their servers where slow. and then there's knocks server which ran for quite some time quite well on an old notebook 00:19 sfan5 the oom happens because it can't get memory that fulfils those requirements from the OS 00:20 sfan5 Sokomine: it's hard to populate such an article unless you live in a computer hardware museum ;) 00:20 Fixer lets see 00:20 sfan5 but yeah that would be helpful 00:20 Sokomine hm :-) 00:20 * Sokomine seraches her old computers and throws a 386er at sfan5 00:20 paramat the memory use displayed at OOM isn't the memory use that causes OOM, apparently 00:21 Jordach sfan5: what the fuck 00:21 sofar I have a 386 in a jar of formaldehyde 00:21 sfan5 paramat: memory can't "cause" OOM, the value is probably exactly correct 00:21 sfan5 but due to the restrictions I mentioned earlier it can't get any more memory and OOM's 00:21 Sokomine guess in ihrfussels case it's a dedicated server that has been rented? wouldn't make too much sense to spend too much money each month for a mt server 00:22 Jordach sofar: 8086 or riots 00:22 Fixer sfan5: ok, so I'm using 3gb of ram right now, should it just OOM outright? 00:22 sfan5 no no 00:22 sfan5 what matters is the address space of the minetest process 00:22 IhrFussel I pay $25 per month for it actually ... so far I lost well over $300 on it 00:22 paramat ok 00:23 Sokomine that's quite a lot 00:23 Fixer sfan5: so in simpler words it is clusterfuck 00:23 sfan5 yea 00:23 sfan5 IhrFussel: honestly a virtual server at ~ $15 would give you better performance 00:23 Fixer so to avoid OOMs i need unload all the ---- out of my memory and pre(a)y it won't OOM 00:24 IhrFussel I had a VPS for $10 before but the performance was so inconsistent that I chose a dedi 00:24 sfan5 not all VPSs are equal 00:24 sfan5 also a good vps is definitely better than a bad dedi 00:26 sofar IhrFussel: I pay ~20$ a month for : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E3-1240 V2 @ 3.40GHz 00:26 Jordach IhrFussel: Scaleway has decent dedis 00:26 Fixer sfan5: is it somehow possible to make minetest use memory space best suitable for luajit? 00:26 sofar IhrFussel: 4gb ram 00:26 sfan5 Fixer: way too much work to get that to work, just use gc64 00:26 Fixer also, luajit seems to die down at the moment, no commits since November 17 00:27 sofar IhrFussel: 2012 cpu, ha! but still a fantastic work horse (IVB server) 00:29 IhrFussel sofar, my hoster doesn't even offer my current dedi anymore ... the cheapest option is Intel® Xeon® E3-1230v2, 4 x 3,3 GHz, 8 GB RAM DDR3, 2 x 1 TB for $35/month 00:32 paramat time for a new server it seems 00:32 IhrFussel Or VPN for $15/month: 600 GB SSD/HDD, NEW! 12 GB RAM guaranteed, 6 CPU vCores, Plesk Onyx, Traffic Unlimited 00:33 paramat yours sounds bad value 00:34 IhrFussel They even have an offer for the VPN... 6 month only $1 then 15 00:36 IhrFussel Should I take it? 00:36 sofar vpn? you mean vps? 00:37 IhrFussel Yes VPS sorry...sounds very cheap and tempting 6 months $1 00:40 Fixer it is 2017, but seems like formspecs can't into Tab/Enter/etc 00:42 IhrFussel I got it... really can't do anything wrong with $1 for 6 months 00:46 sofar might as well post it in my AWS thread as a good alternative, lol 00:47 IhrFussel As soon as I get my ssh access I will check the CPU/RAM and ONLY if it's significantly faster than my current dedi I will move my server to it 00:48 IhrFussel It said HDD/SSD ... does that mean it has a SSD or that I can choose somehow between them? 00:48 sfan5 can mean lots of things 00:48 sofar no clue, ask them 00:50 IhrFussel Ah I see...it says data that's needed constantly will be on a SSD and data that hasn't been touched in a while will be moved to a HDD 00:51 sfan5 also called ssd-cached 00:52 IhrFussel Network: 500 MBit/s 00:55 IhrFussel Is it normal that hosters don't mention the exact used CPU for VPS? 00:55 IhrFussel All I see is "6 vCores" 00:59 Fixer 6 pentium II-like vCores 00:59 Fixer featuring edge cutting TYAN motherboards from 2001 00:59 Fixer dual socket 00:59 Fixer 256 mb of ram 00:59 Fixer ULTRA66 speed 01:00 IhrFussel Nah RAM is 12 GB which is huge 01:01 IhrFussel But I wonder what type of RAM it is 01:01 Fixer SDRAM 133MHz 01:01 Fixer not really 01:01 Fixer 133 chinese workers with papers, good night 01:02 IhrFussel I will check the specs when it's ready...if they aren't that much better than my dedi, I'll not use it...I mean $1 per month is nothing 01:15 IhrFussel I may have ordered the VPS twice by accident o.o ... maybe my mouse clicked twice on the button 01:16 IhrFussel I hope customer support can reverse my order later... 01:17 IhrFussel Well time for bed, see ya later 06:11 * benrob0329 resists the urge to rain on the Chomium in MT parade 06:11 benrob0329 Embedded browsers for game UIs always have problems, always 06:12 benrob0329 Like advertisements, because who doesnt like random audio and video playing when you join a server? 06:14 sofar it doesn't bother me 06:14 sofar since I won't be using it, nor will it ever go mainstream 06:17 benrob0329 sofar: true 06:17 benrob0329 Unless compiled plugins become a thing, in which case servers could start depending on them 06:18 benrob0329 In which case we have a whole host of security problems and crap 06:19 benrob0329 But on a different subject, I'm both happy and sad that meta-set nodedef is becoming a thing. Hapy because its incredibly useful but sad because I'm already converting things to entities to get around node problems. 06:20 benrob0329 Nodes can't have mesh animations though 06:20 sofar you know 06:20 sofar I just waved my magic wand, and the problem disappeared 06:20 sofar you can relax now 06:20 sofar my wand is great for problems like that 06:21 benrob0329 Lol 06:21 sofar sadly, it doesn't work against real life threats to our way of living, like, republicans 06:21 sofar or global warming 06:21 benrob0329 No political extream is good, right or left :-) 06:22 benrob0329 *extreme 06:22 sofar when someone screams and yells lies for a year, and ~33% of the population still supports him, that 33% of the population needs to be tarred and feathered. 06:24 benrob0329 Would we be talking about the president, or someone else who can't do anything right? 06:25 sofar last I heard Kim Jong still had 99.99% approval, so I'm definitely not talking about him 06:25 benrob0329 Well no, but thats a different problem 06:27 benrob0329 I find that politics is often riddled with more problems than it solves, which is why I like to stay out of it :-) 06:28 benrob0329 At least, when not talking about fundamental human rights 06:29 benrob0329 Outside of that there tends to be "my internet source is less BS than your internet source" back and forth from both sides of an argument 06:34 sofar are we doing this? 06:34 sofar like, take the embassador to the netherlands 06:34 sofar on video, says "streets are burning, there are no-go zones in the netherlands" (2015) 06:34 sofar then denies it 06:34 sofar then denies the denial 06:34 sofar it seems we're just breeding liars 06:35 sofar maybe it's time to un-breed them 06:35 sofar I'm pretty sure that if we stop giving them money they'd stop lying too, btw 06:39 benrob0329 sofar: when politicians run a country there are sure to be problems 06:40 sofar you know, that's utter nonsense 06:40 jas_ >Yeah, I think it would be really nice to have a server hosting subforum :D 06:40 sofar it's just that we've made politicians in the USA into professional liars 06:41 jas_ that's what i thought, because Servers is in General Discussion 06:41 sofar it doesn't mean they can't do any good 06:41 sofar or that being a politician is a bad thing 06:41 sofar it's just a bad thing because there are no ethical boundaries anymore for politicians 06:41 sofar at least, in the US 06:41 benrob0329 sofar: I cant speak for other countries, but thats how it tends to be in the US 06:41 sofar yeah, so, there are still honest politicians 06:42 sofar I'm convinced, even in the US 06:42 benrob0329 Some, perhaps 06:42 jas_ doesn't really matter 06:44 jas_ still wondering about a servers forum. because there's 1) Featured, 2) General, 3) User-Contributed, 4) Engine Development. (I don't see offtopic logged off.) I think there should be a Servers section 06:44 jas_ (instead of being in general) 06:44 benrob0329 Servers have a topic 06:45 jas_ but i don't know what would go in there besides just the servers LOL and hosting which is a new idea -- not even sure it'd be worth it 06:45 jas_ General->Servers 06:45 jas_ I propose Servers->Servers 06:45 jas_ heh 06:45 jas_ and maybe Servers->Hosting 06:45 jas_ or Servers->Dead Servers 06:45 jas_ etc 06:46 benrob0329 Dead mods don't even get pulled half the time :^) 06:46 sofar because most of the time they can still be downloaded and used 06:46 sofar dead server? not so much 06:47 benrob0329 Like all of Zeg9's mods should be moved to Mt-mods or old mods imho 06:47 sofar I asked him 06:47 jas_ organizational, historical 06:47 sofar like, twice, over a year apart 06:47 benrob0329 They may work, but they arent maintained 06:47 jas_ anyway, there's General, Mods, and I think Servers should be part of them there 06:47 jas_ General, Mods/Games, Servers 06:47 sofar some of the people I asked even on their gmail address 06:47 sofar no response 06:48 benrob0329 Then the mods should be pulled from the main categories, otherwise they'll continue to be used even though abandoned 06:50 benrob0329 Like honestly do these links even work anymore? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=2841 06:51 benrob0329 I feel like moved mods should not show up in the old category anymore 06:52 jas_ haha that door mod 06:53 jas_ i've seen that before, it's very interesting nonetheless! 06:53 jas_ (not interested enough to try it, i wonder which version it broke at.) 10:06 tenplus1 hi folks 10:20 Raven262 Hi ten 10:21 tenplus1 hi raven 10:21 tenplus1 hi CWz 10:22 CWz ello 10:22 tenplus1 o/ 10:39 tenplus1 Farming Redo updated, nothing major just localized functions 10:49 tenplus1 hi srifqi 10:50 srifqi Hi tenplus1! 10:50 srifqi Long time no see, right? 10:50 tenplus1 hows the holiday season so far ? 10:51 Raven262 #6839 - looks epic, testing now. 10:52 tenplus1 checkng 10:52 srifqi Seems like I sleep too much this holiday. 10:53 tenplus1 I hear ya, lack of sun for all 10:53 tenplus1 raven: oh yeah, dyanmic shadowing looks amazing 10:53 Raven262 Does it seem to lag on the video? Anyways, I'm compiling the branch. 10:54 Raven262 I really wanna see this. 10:54 tenplus1 you do need a decent gpu for it, and recording at same time would cause laggy vid 10:54 Raven262 I hope my APU will be able to run it. 10:55 tenplus1 :P 10:57 srifqi "The Travis CI build failed" ._. 10:57 tenplus1 nuuu 10:58 Raven262 Client::getModFile(): File not found: "*builtin*:/common/strict.lua" 10:59 Raven262 An error^ 10:59 Raven262 There is more, but I have no idea what it means anyway. 10:59 Amaz Hello all :) 10:59 Raven262 Hi Amaz :D 11:00 tenplus1 hi Amaz 11:00 Amaz Happy Christmas :D 11:00 tenplus1 hows the hols ?? 11:00 Amaz Very good ,thanks :) 11:01 tenplus1 sweet :P 11:01 Amaz How are they for you? 11:02 tenplus1 finally off work :P was buuuuusy 11:02 Amaz Glad you're free now :D 11:07 tenplus1 my wee Acer Aspire Revo is well over 7 years old now... am thinking of upgrading to rasp pi or tinkerboard :D 11:12 Megaf Hi tenplus1 11:12 Megaf Hi Raven262 11:12 tenplus1 o/ Megaf 11:12 Megaf Hi all 11:12 Raven262 Hi Megaf 11:19 Megaf reading about fish species. Getting very hungry!! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salmonidae 11:19 tenplus1 lol 11:19 tenplus1 am contemplating one of these: http://www.trustedreviews.com/reviews/asus-tinker-board 11:19 Megaf And I got there reading about salamanders, then metamorphposis and now salmon stuff 11:24 tenplus1 ooh, mobs that metamorphose into bigger badder species if they do certain things... o.O 11:27 tenplus1 hi fussel 11:28 IhrFussel Got my new VPS (that was fast) ... now I need some commands to benchmark the performance 11:28 tenplus1 nice one 11:28 IhrFussel Hi tenplus1 ... yeah well yesterday I was told here that my dedi is actually extremely weak and that the server lags most likely happen cause the RAM is so slow 11:29 IhrFussel The RAM is 400 DDR2 DIMM 400mhz 11:30 Megaf IhrFussel: benrob0329 made a mod for that :) 11:30 IhrFussel -400* 11:30 tenplus1 hi fixer 11:30 Megaf IhrFussel: I had the same lag with SSDs, DDR3 and Xeon CPUs man 11:30 IhrFussel The CPU of the VPS is Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2680 v3 @ 2.50GHz 11:31 tenplus1 ssd and lag in the same sentence ??? 11:31 Megaf BAD devs WILL ALWAYS blame hardware 11:31 Megaf its never their fault 11:31 Megaf always potato hardware fault 11:32 IhrFussel No details about RAM, lshw only shows "12 GBit memory" 11:33 Megaf This is the CPU I had before Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2680 v3 @ 2.50GHz 11:33 Megaf IhrFussel: Are you using Linode? 11:34 IhrFussel Nope, seems like many hosters offer that CPU as VPS ... it was the cheapest option ($1 for 6 months, then $15 per month) 11:34 sfan5 Megaf: if you use RAM with half the speed of normal consumer RAM, you can't expect good performance 11:34 tenplus1 yup.... also hi sfan5 11:34 IhrFussel sfan5, how can I test my RAM now with the VPS? 11:35 sfan5 dunno 11:35 Megaf IhrFussel: 1 USD for 6 months!? 11:35 IhrFussel I only have a few days to "undo" my contract...my hoster gives me these days to try it out 11:35 Megaf sfan5: common man, Minetest doesnt even offer any benchmark tool 11:35 sfan5 running a minetest server on it is the best benchmark 11:38 Megaf !up 5.196.88.227 30003 11:38 MinetestBot 5.196.88.227:30003 is up (10ms) 11:39 tenplus1 !up 98.166.87.1 30000 11:39 MinetestBot 98.166.87.1:30000 is up (108ms) 11:39 tenplus1 ooh 11:41 IhrFussel I'm running sysbench now 11:42 IhrFussel sysbench --test=cpu --cpu-max-prime=20000 run < 27 seconds 11:43 IhrFussel Next is I/O then memory 11:43 Fixer hi 11:43 IhrFussel Is 27 seconds *low*? It sounds like a lot 11:44 rubenwardy I think it was 3 for my server 11:44 IhrFussel Single threaded? 11:44 rubenwardy ? 11:44 rubenwardy do you mean single cored? No 11:44 IhrFussel The command runs 1 thread not multiple 11:45 rubenwardy ah, 26s for me 11:45 IhrFussel So 27 is good then 11:45 rubenwardy tbh, benchmarking CPU is a bit silly. You get most of what you need from the clocking and number of cores stats 11:46 IhrFussel Is this I/O good? Read 37.722Gb Written 25.148Gb Total transferred 62.869Gb (214.59Mb/sec) 13733.81 Requests/sec executed 11:48 IhrFussel Total time is 300 secs* 11:49 sfan5 that's pretty good 11:51 IhrFussel And memory bandwith (test via mbw -t2 4096) AVG Method: MCBLOCK Elapsed: 0.74638 MiB: 4096.00000 Copy: 5487.844 MiB/s 11:53 IhrFussel MEMCPY is a little slower AVG Method: MEMCPY Elapsed: 0.85070 MiB: 4096.00000 Copy: 4814.883 MiB/s 11:54 IhrFussel I'd like someone with a powerful PC/dedi/VPS to enter those commands into their terminal and post the AVG since I have no clue what values are good there 11:55 IhrFussel First command is "mbw -t0 4096" and 2nd "mbw -t2 4096" 11:57 Megaf I hate CentOS 11:58 Megaf they dont have anything in the hepos... 11:58 Megaf repos* 11:58 Megaf IhrFussel: run with 1024 12:00 IhrFussel Megaf, it's the same there no difference between 1024 and 4096 12:01 IhrFussel I mean regarding speed 12:02 IhrFussel AVG Method: MEMCPY Elapsed: 0.20947 MiB: 1024.00000 Copy: 4888.563 MiB/s +++ AVG Method: MCBLOCK Elapsed: 0.18916 MiB: 1024.00000 Copy: 5413.266 MiB/s 12:02 Megaf AVG Method: MEMCPY Elapsed: 0.87157 MiB: 1024.00000 Copy: 1174.885 MiB/s 12:02 Megaf that was t0 12:02 Megaf AVG Method: MCBLOCK Elapsed: 0.39268 MiB: 1024.00000 Copy: 2607.725 MiB/s 12:02 Megaf that was t2 12:03 IhrFussel Let me run that on my old dedi now one sec 12:05 IhrFussel Not sure if my dedi RAM is an actual bottleneck ... seems decent (test via mbw -t2 4096) AVG Method: MCBLOCK Elapsed: 0.74638 MiB: 4096.00000 Copy: 5487.844 MiB/s 12:05 IhrFussel Oops wait 12:05 IhrFussel This is the right one >>> AVG Method: MEMCPY Elapsed: 0.44625 MiB: 1024.00000 Copy: 2294.653 MiB/s 12:06 Megaf was that t0? 12:07 IhrFussel Yep and here is t2 >>> AVG Method: MCBLOCK Elapsed: 0.30606 MiB: 1024.00000 Copy: 3345.747 MiB/s 12:07 IhrFussel If I understand that correctly my dedi can move 2+ GB per SECOND in RAM ... how would that slowdown MT? 12:08 rubenwardy RAM won't be an issue 12:08 rubenwardy the main issue is usually storage 12:08 IhrFussel Are you kidding me?? Last night everyone felt sorry for my "crappy RAM" 12:08 rubenwardy unless you have a weak CPU 12:09 rubenwardy how much RAM do you have? 12:09 rubenwardy because the issue would more be the size, as a server with lots of players can use lots 12:09 IhrFussel 1GiB DIMM DDR2 Synchronous 400 MHz (2,5 ns) x 4 12:09 rubenwardy due to loaded chunks 12:09 rubenwardy 1GB is tiny 12:10 tenplus1 yeah, for an Mt server you need at least 4gb 12:10 IhrFussel 4 x 1 GB 12:10 rubenwardy doesn't allow much caching 12:10 rubenwardy 4GB is better 12:10 IhrFussel But read the log from last night...when I posted the RAM specs they said "no wonder MT runs so slow" 12:11 rubenwardy any more traditional server owners willing to provide memory usage stats on their servers with 20+ players? 12:11 tenplus1 Xanadu tends to run at 1.8gb to 2.1gb with 20 odd players active... 12:12 tenplus1 last we checked :P 0.4.16 (july 19th build) 12:12 IhrFussel This new VPS has 12 GB RAM and the RAM is almost twice as fast...the CPU seems to be much better than my dedi one (Intel Xeon vs AMD Opteron) 12:13 IhrFussel I just fear the inconsistent performance since I have to share the machine with others and only get "6 vCores" 12:16 rubenwardy CTF is 0.35GB with 26 players 12:16 rubenwardy which is why I asked for traditional players 12:16 tenplus1 ehe, gotta tweak some settings to get it that low here :) we run on desktop 12:16 rubenwardy ew, server on a residential internet? :O 12:17 tenplus1 yup :) still runs well tho 12:27 Megaf 10:08 Are you kidding me?? Last night everyone felt sorry for my "crappy RAM" 12:27 Megaf welcoem to my world 12:27 Megaf been blamed on hardware all the time 12:27 tenplus1 :P 12:28 IhrFussel Did sofar compare my dedi RAM to his local PC or what? Why did he say my RAM is terrible 12:29 IhrFussel Luckily I only pay $1 per month for this VPS for now so I'm not mad 12:35 tenplus1 hi thomas 12:35 ThomasMonroe hi tenplus1 12:37 * tenplus1 sips le coffee 12:37 * ThomasMonroe doesn't drink coffee 12:37 ThomasMonroe :P 12:38 IhrFussel This VPS is literally naked...I have to install all the common packages myself..there wasn't even apt-add-repository 12:38 tenplus1 I got tea, coffee, wine, cola, water, orange and fresh air 12:38 Shara IhrFussel: 21 players and 2GB RAM use for me right now 12:38 IhrFussel You need to ping rubenwardy with that Shara xP 12:39 tenplus1 hi Shara 12:39 Shara Hi Ten 12:39 Shara IhrFussel: Looked like he was asking to compare to your situation anyway 12:40 Shara And have gone up to 24 players, but it's still holding at 2GB 12:40 Shara To be honest, it's always been CPU where servers I'm involved with seem to feel strain, not RAM 12:41 tenplus1 agree'd... lua can be heavy depending on the mods 12:42 IhrFussel RAM usage was never my problem though?? I said my dedi tends to have 1-2 sec max_lag constantly with 10+ players 12:42 rubenwardy my server is network limited 12:42 rubenwardy I think 12:42 rubenwardy maybe due to settings 12:43 IhrFussel But a AMD Opteron from 2009 isn't the best CPU you can have + single core performance seems to be bad for that one 12:44 Shara DarkLands on the other hand, is sitting at just under 1GB RAM with 14 players 12:46 srifqi tenplus1, fresh air? 12:46 Shara RAM on both servers is constant as well, whereas CPU use is all over the place 12:46 * tenplus1 hands srifqi some fresh air 12:51 tenplus1 hi CB 12:51 CBugDCoder hi ten 12:52 * srifqi thanks tenplus1 for fresh air 12:52 * srifqi inhales it 12:52 tenplus1 :P fresh scottish air 12:52 * srifqi feels refreshed 12:52 srifqi that's cold fresh air :) 12:52 tenplus1 -4c here today... brr 12:53 srifqi mostly about 19C in the night here .-. 12:53 tenplus1 not bad :) 12:54 srifqi tropical zone 12:54 CBugDCoder ten look at pr #6844 :) 12:54 srifqi i wonder whether i can stand with really cold air 12:55 tenplus1 +1'd that already :P it's like the night vision issue I posted a while back :) we need a fullbriht mode 12:55 CBugDCoder ok :) 12:55 tenplus1 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6509 12:55 tenplus1 ahh it's listed already :) sweet 12:56 tenplus1 this would be so helpful for spells and night vision items... 12:57 tenplus1 I do like the idea of privs handling most of the new features :P 12:59 tenplus1 wb compunerd 13:00 CBugDCoder yea although it also would be nice to be able to "force" a player to have it on via a hub flag 13:04 IhrFussel The VPS is crazy fast O.O ... compiling minetest from SCRATCH in 60 seconds 13:04 tenplus1 wow! 13:08 tenplus1 hi Jordach 13:08 tenplus1 hi lisac 13:08 lisac hey tenplus1 13:08 Jordach https://youtu.be/_NgtJ7A9avA 13:08 lisac Hope you saw the best PR yet? 13:08 tenplus1 dynamic lighting ? 13:09 lisac aye 13:09 lisac Jordach: that looks awesome 13:09 tenplus1 :pPpPpP 13:09 Megaf link for best PR please 13:09 tenplus1 ooh nice, did you do the model yourself Jordach ? 13:09 IhrFussel How can I tell git to download the backports branch and not master? 13:09 Jordach tenplus1: yes 13:09 tenplus1 sweet 13:10 Jordach https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/6839 13:12 lisac IhrFussel: git clone, cd , git checkout 13:13 lisac so, git clone https://whatever.whatever/whatever.git whatever 13:13 lisac cd whatever 13:13 lisac git checkout this_branch 13:14 IhrFussel lisac, I am in the accindetally pulled master directory now ... where do I go from here? 13:14 lisac git checkout 13:14 IhrFussel accidentally* 13:15 lisac so, git checkout backport-0.4 13:15 IhrFussel Already on '0.4-backports' 13:15 lisac good. You're done. 13:15 lisac do 'git checkout master' to return to the master branch 13:15 IhrFussel But I mean I need to download the backports files, I have the master files now in my directory 13:16 lisac when you 'git clone', you download all branches already. 13:16 sfan5 git checkout will update the files as required 13:16 IhrFussel So just compile after? 13:16 lisac yeah 13:17 lisac cd build && cmake .. && make -j5 13:19 IhrFussel Can I just replace this line in my build script? https://github.com/minetest/minetest.git; 13:19 IhrFussel I tried to compile and it still said 0.5.0-dev 13:20 sfan5 then something went wrong 13:21 IhrFussel But this is correct so far? https://pastebin.com/HyZCvhKr 13:25 sfan5 you don't need half of those anyway because you're not building a client 13:25 Jordach 🤔 13:25 IhrFussel git branch only shows * master ... is that correct? 13:26 rubenwardy git checkout will automatically create local braches from remote branches 13:28 IhrFussel Now I tried checkoeut again and see "Switched to a new branch 'backport-0.4'" ... can I compile now? 13:28 sfan5 yes 13:28 sfan5 someone should really create a proper server compiling script 13:28 IhrFussel But how does the compiler know which files to compile when nothing changed? 13:29 IhrFussel I see no "diff" when I type checkout just "Switched to a new branch" 13:31 tenplus1 hi evergreen 13:31 sfan5 that's fine, just run make 13:32 IhrFussel Ahh seems to work now...0.4.17-dev 13:41 IhrFussel Anyone got some free time and want to test server lag on my VPS? 85.214.239.123 port 25000 ... I will give you fly and fast when you join 13:42 sfan5 maybe in 30 minutes 13:43 IhrFussel Or wait, I'll set those as default privs 13:43 sfan5 i don't have 0.4.16 installed here anyway 13:52 IhrFussel sfan5, does vCores mean they count as real cores and I could theoretically set num_emerge_threads to 4 since I have 6? 13:52 sfan5 yes 14:09 IhrFussel The VPS seems to have a much better performance...it's even below systemd process in top when idling 14:53 Calinou vCores are not the same as real cores 14:53 Calinou they're shared, but VDS (Virtual Dedicated Server, more expensive than a VPS) come with dedicated (but virtual!) cores 14:53 Calinou unlike a VPS, you won't get slapped if you use 100% of the CPU on a VDS 14:53 Calinou (for long periods of time) 14:54 Calinou VDSes are rarely interesting from an economical point of view, though 14:54 IhrFussel I know that they are not 100% real cores, but they act like real ones 14:54 Calinou yeah, until someone runs their Chrome headless bot to farm clicks 14:54 Calinou :-) 14:54 Calinou (true story, I know someone who was a volunteer at a French nonprofit VPS provider) 14:55 IhrFussel Right now the VPS performance is much better compared to my dedi and max_lag peaks at 0.3 whereas on my dedi it would be above 1.0 now 14:57 IhrFussel It stays at 0.1 when not moving on the map for a few minutes...that is amazing... but I wanna know how low the performance can get when someone else runs something intensive 15:05 IhrFussel The texture pack shouldn't affect server perfrormance right? It's just sent to clients and the do the rest? 15:06 IhrFussel they* 15:06 tenplus1 only connection times when buffering media 15:11 IhrFussel I'm flying around with fast, kill lots of mobs, use noclip ... max_lag 0.16 15:12 IhrFussel I think I will move over to that VPS... 15:13 IhrFussel The only problem is the IP ... is there a way to reidirect my players from one IP to another? 15:15 IhrFussel Or I just let the old server still run for some time and show everone an error on prejoin "We moved to another IP" or so 15:22 rubenwardy I did that ^ 15:25 sfan5 this is why you should use a domain name instead 15:25 Krock hi tenplus1 15:25 tenplus1 hey krock 15:25 tenplus1 how's things ? 15:25 Krock just fine, thanks? how about you? 15:25 tenplus1 oh so tired :P but okie 15:26 Krock duh.. I see. you were slower than me this time 15:26 tenplus1 lol 15:26 tenplus1 updating my mobile :P and wondering why google wants so many apps on it I dont use ?!?! 15:29 rubenwardy and +1 to sfan5 15:29 rubenwardy they're really cheap 15:30 rubenwardy especially compared to hosting 15:30 rubenwardy tenplus1, what apps? It's more likely to be your OEM 15:31 IhrFussel sfan5, I actually have a free .tk domain ... unfortunately I forgot to set in minetest.conf as address 15:32 tenplus1 Ruben: google keyboard, google launcher, google play store, youtube, google services etc. etc. 15:32 rubenwardy fair 15:32 * Shara really should get a domain name... 15:32 rubenwardy although google keyboard isn't required by google 15:32 rubenwardy Shara, you should! 15:32 tenplus1 pain in the butt... cant wait for a truly open linux mobile... 15:32 Shara It's completely ridiculous that I still didn't. 15:33 Shara But I still didn't find one I like, and don't really want to use one of my free ones (even if I managed to hold them for several years already...) 15:37 IhrFussel Calinou, does more vCores mean -> more minimum performance? 15:40 benrob0329 tenplus1: Krock: 15:40 * benrob0329 uploaded an image: screenshot_20171227_003158.png (909KB) 15:40 benrob0329 Semi-random pattern plays nicer with the mipmap 15:40 tenplus1 heh, semi transparant entity :) sweet 15:41 Krock benrob0329, 15:58 IhrFussel Does the tar command support partoffile*.txt ? 15:58 tenplus1 it should do 15:59 tenplus1 although I tend to pre-select whole folders for backup 16:14 IhrFussel I wonder why the VPS has a 500 mbit/s connection while my dedi only has a 100 mbit/s one 16:14 IhrFussel It's the same hoster ... kinda not fair 16:16 tenplus1 a small preview into the anti-net neutrality changes :PPP 16:19 benrob0329 IhrFussel: because you have a greedy hoster? :P 16:24 benrob0329 tenplus1: the new masks are generated using blender, so no hand drawn masks :D 16:24 tenplus1 it looks pretty kewl :D 16:25 benrob0329 Thanks, now I have to male it have the features of the node 16:34 IhrFussel Is that how tar is supposed to work? tar -czvf mtmove.tar.gz .minetest/worlds/oldserver ... when I unzip that in my home directory it puts the files into .minetest/worlds/oldserver o.o 16:35 rubenwardy it includes the full path as part of it 16:35 rubenwardy so you want to cd to it 16:35 rubenwardy cd .minetest/worlds/; tar -czvf ~/mtmove.tar.gz oldserver 16:36 rubenwardy then it'll untar to "oldserver" 16:36 IhrFussel So did it overwrite my whole .minetest directory now? Or just added files that weren't there before? 16:36 tenplus1 we use this to backup xanadu: tar cpzfv $(date +%F).tar.gz .minetest 16:38 rubenwardy does anyone know how I can generate a series of gorges? 16:39 rubenwardy hmmm 16:41 * tenplus1 calls upon the earthquake gods 16:41 rubenwardy I basically want a simple maze of gorges 16:42 rubenwardy with two clearings 16:42 tenplus1 I think there;s a mod that loads a bitmap image to generate landscape... could use that to have peaks and gorges in specific areas 16:42 rubenwardy oooh, that's a good idea 16:42 rubenwardy then I can edit it to look more natural after loading it in 16:43 tenplus1 yup :) 16:44 tenplus1 gotta play around with that mod at some point :) would be interesting 16:45 rubenwardy do you know the name? 16:46 tenplus1 checking 16:47 tenplus1 https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=6751&hilit=bitmap 16:47 tenplus1 think it's that one 16:48 rubenwardy that's for placing them as images using wool, not heightmaps 16:48 Amaz I think this one adds 3d detail to it: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=12666 16:48 tenplus1 ooh yeah, das it :))) 16:49 tenplus1 1st one had no screenshots so wasnt sure :D 16:49 tenplus1 thanks amaz 16:49 Amaz np :) 16:56 IhrFussel BUG found: Searching for [ in the server list crashes the main menu 16:57 tenplus1 crap, must be a :find special code 16:58 tenplus1 o/ paramat 16:59 rubenwardy heh, doesn't work 16:59 rubenwardy IhrFussel, fixed in 0.5 16:59 rubenwardy I believe 16:59 IhrFussel Hi paramat ... I found that bug cause I wanted to name my new server list entry [NEW] IFS to tell people which one is the new one 16:59 rubenwardy ok, apparently not 16:59 IhrFussel That could be 17:00 rubenwardy it's due to Lua's stupid stupid standard library 17:00 tenplus1 lol 17:11 tenplus1 hi evergreen 17:12 rubenwardy https://github.com/bobombolo/realterrain/issues/1 17:12 rubenwardy :'( 17:12 IhrFussel sfan5, now I have this error servers.minetest.net/announce not found (HTTP response code said error) (response code 418) 17:13 tenplus1 disable mod security for that it says 17:13 rubenwardy I did 17:16 tenplus1 in need of a few nil checks... shoudl be fixable 17:17 rubenwardy ah! 17:17 rubenwardy there's a mode to remove biomes 17:18 rubenwardy still crashes 17:20 rubenwardy so, anyone got any other ideas for maps for CTF? 17:20 rubenwardy preferably ones I don't need to write or fix a custom mapgen for 17:20 tenplus1 lol 17:26 IhrFussel Please can someone help?? I get 418 error when I try to announce to the server list 17:28 paramat gorges hmm 17:29 rubenwardy IhrFussel, only sfan5 can help you 17:29 paramat you could use mgv7 and create high terrain, then use river channels to create the maze of gorges. remove water to make the gorges dry 17:30 paramat river noise: small scale and high persistence to create a mazelike pattern 17:31 paramat clear biomes and define a new biome with 'node_water = "air"' 17:33 tenplus1 nite folks :PPP 17:36 rubenwardy paramat, hmmm, I'll have a try 17:39 paramat river channels may not make a very good maze, but with persistence 0.7-1.0+ maybe 17:39 rubenwardy it's not meant to be a maze as such 17:40 rubenwardy more like a mesh 17:40 rubenwardy so not many dead ends 17:40 rubenwardy I'll TAL 17:40 tumeninodes paramat, no gorges till I see river option in Mg flat :P 17:41 tumeninodes 17:42 rubenwardy I can use worldedit to get rid of water 17:42 rubenwardy hmm 17:42 rubenwardy how do I create high terrain? 17:44 rubenwardy looks like this is making just a sea from multiple rivers connecting 17:44 tumeninodes maybe valleys would be a better start point? 17:45 rubenwardy huh, scale is an int 17:45 rubenwardy I guess it's spread I want 17:47 tumeninodes scale, I think 17:47 rubenwardy is this what you meant? https://github.com/rubenwardy/capturetheflag/blob/multimap/mods/ctf_map/README.md 17:47 rubenwardy eerrr 17:47 rubenwardy oops 17:47 rubenwardy heh 17:48 rubenwardy https://i.rubenwardy.com/JVn8OnGP4f.png 17:48 rubenwardy that link^^^ 17:48 rubenwardy looks a bit odd to me 17:48 tumeninodes o_o 17:50 tumeninodes https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=227726#p227726 17:51 tumeninodes and this https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=227735#p227735 17:59 tumeninodes wishful thinking http://www-cs-students.stanford.edu/~amitp/game-programming/polygon-map-generation/ 18:02 sfan5 IhrFussel: should work now 18:02 IhrFussel What was the problem? Blacklisted? 18:08 sfan5 make sure you're running backport-0.4 of minetest_game too 18:09 IhrFussel That's the problem yeah... is there a way to get the backport master.zip via wget? 18:09 sfan5 https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/archive/backport-0.4.zip 18:16 paramat indeed the river channels may not make a good 'mesh', i was hoping high persistence might 18:17 paramat the river noise 'scale' should be reduced 'np_ridge_uwater' 18:17 paramat for high terrain set the noise 'offset' to a high number, for noises 'terrain base' and 'terrain alt' 18:18 paramat oops 18:18 paramat i mean river noise 'spread' should be reduved 18:19 paramat *reduced 18:19 paramat maybe to (500, 500, 500) 18:20 paramat remove water by using a custom biome 18:23 Megaf rubenwardy: CTF? 18:25 IhrFussel Thanks, everything seems to work now and the lag is extremely low :D 18:26 rubenwardy Megaf, capture the flag 18:47 Megaf IhrFussel: what did you do to reduce lag? 18:47 sfan5 he moved to a new server lol 18:47 Megaf lol 18:48 Megaf I got my map to load way faster by reducing global_server_step 18:48 Megaf and there's virtualy no lag in carts 18:49 Megaf That is so cool 18:49 Megaf I can actually make a programable computer now in Minetest 18:58 Megaf !seen lazyj 18:58 MinetestBot Megaf: lazyj was last seen at 2017-12-26 17:15:30 UTC on #minetest 18:58 Megaf !tell LazyJ Hi. 18:58 MinetestBot Megaf: I'll pass that on when LazyJ is around 18:58 Megaf !tell paramat Hi. 18:58 MinetestBot Megaf: yeah, yeah 19:06 IhrFussel max_lag 0.15 with EIGHT players and 175 mods... were my dedi specs really THAT bad? 19:24 * Megaf wonders how one get 15 players online 19:24 Megaf thouh he said 8 19:27 Megaf Hold my beer, lets make a new server home hosted 19:35 Sokomine IhrFussel: same map, same mods? 19:35 IhrFussel Anyone a clue why I cannot visit my web pages? I installed lighttpd and php-cgi and enabled everything and now I get PHP Fatal error: Uncaught PDOException: could not find driver in /var/www/index.php 19:35 IhrFussel Sokomine, yes everything is the same and lag is crazy low so it was my dedi specs 20:06 MinetestBot paramat: Dec-27 18:58 UTC Hi. 20:06 Fixer hold my peanuts 20:07 Megaf I had forgotten how fast my Phenom II x4 955 BE was 20:07 Megaf way faster than this Core2Duo 20:08 Megaf no wonder, 4 3,2 GHz vs 2 2,4 GHz 20:08 Megaf Though I have DDR 2 in my Phenom 20:16 Megaf meh, in my Phenom I build two minetest servers in the time my Core2Duo builds 1/3 20:17 Megaf I wonder how fast is the ThreadRippers in building software 20:19 IhrFussel "Microsoft joins" ... uh oh incoming lawsuit 20:25 Megaf it's server_port or just port in minetest.conf to set the port the server will listen to? 20:25 Megaf just port 20:27 Megaf sofar: what's your remote media server? 20:27 sofar what do you mean? 20:27 Megaf sofar: I need for default subgame for backport-0.4 and master 20:28 Megaf sofar: wasnt you who had a public media server? 20:28 sofar yes 20:28 sofar https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=18951 20:29 sofar just point to it, you'll get most stuff from my media server anyway 20:29 sofar I should carry 0.4.16 mtg, I have git master now, but I'll add 0.4.16 20:29 sofar not that it matters that much 20:35 Megaf yep, added to the settings already 20:35 Megaf I will be spinning up a 0.4.17 and a 0.5 server in 10 minutes or so 20:36 Megaf they will be both vanilla and unmoderated servers 20:42 xerox123 is 0.5.0-stable on the horizon anytime soon? 20:43 Megaf how does Carpathian compares to v7 paramat ? 20:43 Megaf xerox123: maybe Jan 20:43 xerox123 yay 20:44 Megaf I dont know which mapgen to use 20:45 Megaf will trye valleys 20:45 Shara Megaf, would be nice to see some servers using Carpathian 20:45 Megaf Ok, Capathian it is then 20:45 Shara Looks like there is only one so far, and it seems to be a russian language one 20:46 Shara But using a different mapgen than the norm can be a good way to draw people in 20:47 Megaf Two Carpathian server for that lovely girl over there! 20:47 Megaf Would you like a glass of wine with that Shara ? 20:47 Shara Red please :) 20:48 Megaf Great choice 20:50 IhrFussel xerox123, no not in Jan ... they want to overhault MT Android first before they release it 20:50 IhrFussel overhaul* 20:50 xerox123 aw 20:50 Megaf xerox123: nothing is impossible tho 20:51 Megaf sfan5: server list is broken 20:51 sfan5 ?_? 20:53 Megaf sfan5: 2017-12-27 18:53:03: [CurlFetch] servers.minetest.net/announce not found (HTTP response code said error) (response code 418) 20:53 Megaf !server =IML= 20:53 MinetestBot Megaf: No results 20:54 Megaf sfan5: two servers that begin with =IML= 20:54 Megaf the IP/address is dynamic 20:54 Megaf !up 179.177.215.108 30050 20:54 MinetestBot 179.177.215.108:30050 is up (259ms) 20:54 Megaf !up 179.177.215.108 30416 20:54 MinetestBot 179.177.215.108:30416 seems to be down 20:54 Megaf !up 179.177.215.108 30417 20:55 Megaf !up 179.177.215.108 30417 20:55 MinetestBot 179.177.215.108:30417 is up (263ms) 20:55 Megaf Shara: new servers using the carpathian mapgen 20:55 Megaf 30417 for Minetest 0.4.17 and 30050 for Minetest 0.5.0 20:56 Megaf thanks sfan5 20:56 IhrFussel rubenwardy, do you know if I can simply copy my SSL cert from my other machine? Or do I need to generate an entirely new one? 20:56 Megaf !up =IML= 20:56 MinetestBot Megaf: invalid address 20:56 Megaf !server =IML= 20:56 MinetestBot Megaf: "=IML= Clan Server - Minetest 0.5.0 Vanilla" | 179.177.215.108:30050 | Clients: 0/100, 0/0 | Version: 0.5.0-dev / minetest | Ping: 263ms 20:56 Megaf yay 20:56 sfan5 IhrFussel: SSL certs are not bound to your IP, you can copy them 20:57 Megaf Im online in the 0.4.17 server 21:02 paramat um 21:03 paramat carp has much more realistic mountains, not floaty blobs 21:03 paramat but no rivers 21:04 paramat carp also has lots more flat space for building 21:04 paramat the mountains really are stunning 21:04 xerox123 can a 0.5 client connect to a 0.4.16 server? 21:04 paramat no 21:04 Megaf paramat: you call that realistic? 21:04 Megaf really? 21:05 paramat well, 'more' 21:05 Megaf All I see is math waves 21:05 paramat you and your waves 21:05 Calinou meth waves would be more realistic 21:06 paramat but then, perlin noise is a combination of irregular waves 21:14 Megaf I cant edit anything in adv settings in minetst on macOS 21:16 Megaf paramat: didnt find a single normal tree in carpathian yet 21:17 Megaf !up megaf.hopto.org 30417 21:17 MinetestBot megaf.hopto.org:30417 seems to be down 21:23 Megaf dont set fps_max = -1 21:23 Megaf just dont 21:24 benrob0329 Megaf: *boom* 21:25 Megaf I was expecting that to disable FPS limiter 21:25 Megaf benrob0329: by the way, =IML= servers are a nice showcase for Minetest vanilla. I will try to keep them always updated. And they are in creative mode 21:26 Megaf I just need people to start building there :P 21:28 Sokomine carpathian really seems to look nice. a testworld just generated has huge plains 21:31 Megaf Minetest is almost unplayable in macOS =/ 21:31 Megaf mouse behaviour is so frustrating 21:31 Megaf very jittery and unpredictable 21:31 Megaf it was bad 5 years ago, now it's even worse 21:31 Megaf even tho I'm playing at 200 FPS 21:31 Megaf so dont fucking blame my hardware 21:32 Megaf sfan5 ^^^^^^^^ 21:32 benrob0329 MacOS is...*cough* 21:32 Megaf macOS for you 21:32 sfan5 how am I related to your rant about missing macOS support 21:33 benrob0329 There is no support because no devs use MacOS afaik 21:34 Megaf sfan5: you often blame my hardware 21:37 Calinou Megaf: try setting some FPS limit 21:37 Calinou (like 60 or 100) 21:38 Calinou benrob0329: that is indeed true, macOS developers in "native" open source software are uncommon these days 21:38 Calinou (i.e. not JavaScript) 21:38 Megaf Calinou: the default is 60, increasing the FPS limit creating decrease jitter 21:38 Megaf but it doesn elimitate, its a reported bug on github 21:38 Calinou I saw it 21:38 Megaf FPS limit is set to 1000 now 21:40 Megaf MT for macOS should use macOS graphical server and not this thing called Xorg 21:40 Megaf we dont use Xorg on WIndows do we? 21:40 Megaf we dont use Xorg on Android, do we? 21:40 Megaf Why do we use it in macOS? 21:42 Megaf Any dev here that would accept a mac mini donation to better port Minetest for macOS? 21:43 Calinou MT for macOS should use macOS graphical server and not this thing called Xorg 21:43 Calinou feel free to implement support for it in Irrlicht :-) 21:43 Calinou I think Irrlicht handles this, not Minetest 21:44 Calinou also, Minetest has almost no players on macOS… 21:44 Calinou most of the desktop players are on Windows or Linux 21:48 paramat but yes carpathian is very wavey, mostly mixtures of 2D noise 21:49 IhrFussel Calinou, any clue what's better about multiple virtual cores vs one? Does it mean I have more guaranteed performance? 21:49 paramat biome distribution is not affected by mapgen choice, so keep travelling 21:50 Calinou IhrFussel: it will perform better, especially for map generation 21:50 Calinou and you should always have at least 2 for a game server 21:50 Calinou else, anything the OS has to do in the background will slow down the game server process 21:51 Megaf [19:44:10] also, Minetest has almost no players on macOS… 21:51 Megaf of course, MT build barerly works 21:51 benrob0329 Megaf: we dont use Xorg on MacOS afaik 21:51 Calinou the other open source games which support macOS don't have that many players using it either 21:51 IhrFussel Yes but I mean can other customers still slow down my server when I have 6 for myself? 21:51 Megaf benrob0329: we do, it depends on XQuartz 21:51 Megaf Xorg translation layer 21:52 benrob0329 Ah 21:52 benrob0329 Never built on MacOS, only installed 21:52 Megaf it is a full bloat X server that runs on top of macOS graphical server 21:52 Megaf its amazing it works at all 21:52 IhrFussel If I understand it correctly 1 virtual core means a certain % of the actual CPU ... so more vcores should mean more % of the CPU for my needs 21:52 Megaf and Irrlicht can use OpenGL directly AFAIK 21:53 benrob0329 Megaf: OpenGL doesnt handle windowing 21:53 Megaf http://www.irrlicht3d.org/wiki/index.php?n=Main.CompilingOnMacOSX 21:53 Megaf Irrlicht uses X11... 21:54 Megaf once again we are limited by Irrlicht... 21:54 Megaf we MUST change the engine se use 21:54 Megaf we use* 21:54 benrob0329 Godot rewrite when? :P 21:54 Megaf and drop Lua or at least use it's implementation for threads 21:55 benrob0329 Why do you hate Lua? You dont even write code 21:55 Megaf Godot supports even HTML5 21:55 Megaf benrob0329: I love Lua, I just believe it's not ideal for Minetest 21:56 Megaf Due to the nature of our mods I believe Python would better suit us 21:56 benrob0329 MT's biggest limitation is often a lack of developer experience, we need a graphics guy 21:56 Megaf I'd say we shouldn't care for graphics yet 21:56 Megaf we don't have the bare minimum working even 21:56 paramat heh drop irrlicht and lua, i look forward to your PR 21:56 benrob0329 Love2D uses Lua, and its games run lightning fast 21:57 benrob0329 Even on mobile 21:57 Megaf Minetest is way more complex than that 21:57 Megaf can't compare 21:57 benrob0329 MT handles a lot more in-engine 21:58 Megaf If we were to drop Irrlicht and Lua, that would mean a 100% rewrite of Minetest, right? 21:59 Calinou yes 21:59 Calinou #RewriteMinetestInGodot 21:59 Megaf we wouldn't be able to reuse any code, 21:59 Megaf or would we? 21:59 benrob0329 Gmod uses Lua, and has far more complex mods 21:59 benrob0329 Maybe the meshgen, and networking 21:59 Megaf benrob0329: no need to try to convince me, it wont happen. And MT wont change from Lua. So relax :) 22:00 benrob0329 I just dont understand why you are so set on the idea that Lua is a problem 22:01 benrob0329 We have some bad engine design, and some bad irrlicht usage 22:09 Calinou Megaf: it's possible, but you probably wouldn't want to do it :) 22:11 benrob0329 Megaf: there was a time when I hated Lua and though Python would be better for MT, I have since changed my stance quite a bit :-) 22:15 rubenwardy Megaf: if you buy me a MBP, I'll fix Mac OS support 22:15 rubenwardy Deal? 22:15 rubenwardy :D 22:28 Megaf rubenwardy: Maybe. I need a job first 22:28 Megaf me getting a job I will put money in Minetest 22:29 Megaf I love Minetest. Minetest and me is the longest relationship I have ever had 22:31 Calinou I get a feeling I've already seen that saying… 22:38 Megaf me gusta https://germanalen.itch.io/verdigris 22:39 Megaf https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVytT3s2FZA 22:39 Megaf https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnYzNBRenEw 22:39 Megaf !title 22:39 MinetestBot Megaf: Verdigris Gameplay - YouTube 22:40 Jordach [off 22:40 Jordach reee 22:41 Megaf I have no idea how to make a game like MT and MC 22:42 Megaf kudos to c55 22:59 sofar paramat: are we ever going to get OpenSimplex noise instead of perlin noise? 23:27 paramat maybe, but not instead of 23:27 paramat hmmmm was interested in adding simplex noise 23:34 paramat not sure if i would be able to code it 23:42 Megaf in Lua or C++? 23:53 sofar C++, doing it in lua would't help much 23:53 sofar someone could already implement it in lua anyway 23:53 sfan5 would just be kinda slow