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| 01:13 |
Megaf |
most truthful affirmation ever https://i.imgur.com/4J0IJoX.jpg |
| 01:16 |
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| 01:16 |
* Shara |
is finally home |
| 01:16 |
Shara |
Hi everyone |
| 01:16 |
ThomasMonroe |
YAY how was your flight? |
| 01:17 |
Shara |
This one was good and wonderfully straightforward after the delays/cancellations yesterday |
| 01:21 |
paramat |
good |
| 01:28 |
Shara |
Thanks paramat, and nice to see you are thinking about adding ferns :) |
| 01:59 |
paramat |
doing it now |
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| 03:41 |
CBugDCoder |
I just thought of an idea for the inventory. IK that the inventory is now composed of meshes and I think that it would be nice if you can override the generated item-mesh in the item/tool def with item_mesh = "random_mesh_name.obj" |
| 03:45 |
CBugDCoder |
same with the wield mesh |
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| 10:18 |
twoelk |
merry christmas to you all :-D |
| 10:19 |
twoelk |
hope that everybody has arrived where they want to spend the xmasssy days |
| 11:24 |
Shara |
twoelk: right back at you :) |
| 11:26 |
Jordach |
Shara: meanwhile https://i.imgur.com/DtRoPJz.jpg |
| 11:36 |
Shara |
Jordach: Meow :) |
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| 12:02 |
* twoelk |
is off to church to see his brother's kids |
| 12:03 |
twoelk |
so happy seasonal greetings to everybody and have some cosey days |
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shivajiva |
something special about kids singing in church :D |
| 12:04 |
shivajiva |
Seasons greetings twoelk, have fun :) |
| 12:04 |
* twoelk |
gazes at the rain outside and puts on waterproof stuff |
| 12:04 |
Shara |
:) |
| 12:04 |
twoelk |
sniff, no snow anywhere near |
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| 12:38 |
Megaf |
Good morning |
| 12:43 |
Megaf |
Anyone willing to help me track down some missing nodes in my server? |
| 12:45 |
sfan5 |
missing = ? |
| 12:51 |
rubenwardy |
Shara, Jordach, meanwhile https://i.rubenwardy.com/M5WwIo96Ff.jpg |
| 12:54 |
IhrFussel |
Okay max_simultaneous_block_sends_per_client doesn't seem to change anything about the map load lag and I couldn't even see an increase even though I set it to 15 (I imagined blocks would appear super fast on the client then) |
| 12:56 |
IhrFussel |
max_block_send_distance is partially useless since you cannot force the amount the client gets |
| 12:57 |
IhrFussel |
So it could only reduce lag on clients with very high view range which is only a very small portion of my userbase |
| 13:01 |
IhrFussel |
It *has to* be the map still..it's more than obvious when 4 players are iding and max_lag drops to 0.2 and *as soon as* someone teleports somewhere it spikes back to ~ 1 sec ... will I really have to remove some teleport options? |
| 13:01 |
IhrFussel |
idling* |
| 13:07 |
Jordach |
rubenwardy: meanwhile https://i.imgur.com/aetq8aX.jpg |
| 13:08 |
* Shara |
was just wearing her cat as a scarf |
| 13:16 |
Megaf |
Ok, I need help with nether folks, please |
| 13:16 |
Megaf |
https://github.com/Megaf/nether-pack/issues/4 |
| 13:20 |
* Megaf |
looks at rubenwardy |
| 13:21 |
Megaf |
sfan5: Right now server wont even start properly because nether is crashing it |
| 13:21 |
Megaf |
on that note. Thumbs up for Minetest for not corrupting anything even with so many crashes |
| 13:22 |
Megaf |
Minetest, at least for me, has been very reliable in its map store thing |
| 13:29 |
Megaf |
MinetestBot! |
| 13:29 |
MinetestBot |
Megaf! |
| 13:35 |
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| 13:53 |
Megaf |
sfan5: these nodes are missing, I think they are either missing aliases or some incompatibility with moreblocks http://git.megaf.info/Megaf/TODO/src/master/Missing%20nodes.md |
| 13:54 |
sfan5 |
those doors are of the old types |
| 13:54 |
sfan5 |
should have aliases |
| 13:58 |
Megaf |
Giant **working** travelnet box my players built https://imgur.com/a/vzliu |
| 14:06 |
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| 14:09 |
Megaf |
https://github.com/minetest-mods/homedecor_modpack/issues/401 |
| 14:09 |
Megaf |
!title |
| 14:09 |
MinetestBot |
Megaf: Crash when placing vending machine. gastronomy.lua:227: attempt to index global 'creative' (a nil value) · Issue #401 · minetest-mods/homedecor_modpac[...] |
| 14:14 |
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| 14:14 |
IhrFussel |
Megaf, homedecor depends on creative now, VanessaE added it to depends.txt (unless she only added it to one of the mods inside the modpacks) |
| 14:15 |
IhrFussel |
modpack* |
| 14:15 |
Megaf |
wait, maybe that was fixed |
| 14:16 |
IhrFussel |
depends.txt depend on mt_game 'creative' mod 9 days ago yep |
| 14:17 |
Megaf |
yep |
| 14:18 |
Megaf |
I'm not happy with that "fix" |
| 14:53 |
Fixer |
Jordach: was loading from right to left, and then rotated, creepy |
| 14:53 |
Jordach |
eh |
| 14:57 |
Megaf |
IhrFussel: can you join my server again? max lag is 0.8 with max lbock send distance to 10 and simultaneous to 32 |
| 14:57 |
Megaf |
per player |
| 14:58 |
Megaf |
and how to we fix the sneak stairs stuff? |
| 14:58 |
Megaf |
I want sneak back |
| 15:00 |
IhrFussel |
Megaf, address again? |
| 15:00 |
Megaf |
eh |
| 15:00 |
Megaf |
no idea |
| 15:00 |
Megaf |
hold on |
| 15:03 |
IhrFussel |
Megaf, got it |
| 15:07 |
IhrFussel |
max send distance only affects clients who set their view range to something ver high so it doesn't help with lag at all or only in rare cases ... if the client set the view range to 30 (Android default) it will only send a distance of 2-3 |
| 15:09 |
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| 15:10 |
IhrFussel |
And I really want to know how the "simultaneous" block sends are working...I see NO difference at all regarding mapblock loading no matter if I set that to 3, 5, 10 or 15 |
| 15:21 |
Megaf |
Thomas-S: http://git.megaf.info/Megaf/TODO/src/master/Missing%20nodes.md |
| 15:22 |
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| 15:25 |
Thomas-S |
Megaf: The missing streets nodes are actually covered by https://github.com/Thomas--S/streets_compatibility/blob/master/init.lua#L44-L46 |
| 15:49 |
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| 17:20 |
Sokomine |
Megaf: seems your players love teleporting :-) |
| 17:21 |
Sokomine |
teleporting causing lag does sound strange. yes, the server's got to do some things, but it ought to be not that much. /home has been around for quite a while. /spawn on servers as well. players teleported between those, died etc. |
| 17:23 |
IhrFussel |
Sokomine, my server suffers from the exact same lag as Megaf's though so it's not a hardware fault ... I am running the mod profiler again currently to see if it's really something outside of mods that's causing those spikes |
| 17:23 |
Sokomine |
do lbms have an inpact? they may happen after loading a mapblock |
| 17:24 |
Krock |
Megaf, what's your server version? (git hash) |
| 17:25 |
Krock |
nvm |
| 17:25 |
Krock |
at least the one on port 30003 seems to be protocol version < 36 |
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| 17:27 |
IhrFussel |
Walking into 1 direction without fast -> max_lag 0.3 ... Running into the same direction -> max_lag 0.5 ... Teleporting to an unloaded area -> max_lag 0.7 |
| 17:28 |
IhrFussel |
And that's with just 1 player |
| 17:29 |
Sokomine |
are you trying this in a test world where experiments won't hurt the real map? if so: what happens if you load it with no mods at all? not even mtg and default |
| 17:29 |
IhrFussel |
And as you can see no mod caused a higher lag than 28ms so far: total: | 32 | 27567 | 640 | 100.0 | 100.0 | 100.0 |
| 17:30 |
IhrFussel |
I created a new world with no mods and moving a bit fast on that map spike the max_lag to 1.X as well |
| 17:31 |
IhrFussel |
It has to be the engine if the mod lag is below 30ms right now but max_lag shows 0.7 *right after* teleporting |
| 17:32 |
IhrFussel |
I stopped teleporting and max_lag slowly goes down to 0.3 again |
| 17:34 |
IhrFussel |
Sokomine, you need to imagine that loading a full 360° range around the player will take about 4 times as long as just loading 1 row (when the player has loaded blocks around him and walks into one direction) |
| 17:36 |
IhrFussel |
But the lag that happens after teleporting varies depending on what kind of area needs to be loaded, which is logical |
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| 17:49 |
Sokomine |
hm. yes, there are more blocks to send. still...it's just small chunks of data beeing read from a database and sent on to clients. compared to actually parsing and displaying those blocks on the client's side it ought to be almost trivial |
| 17:50 |
Sokomine |
at least as long as the range is limited |
| 17:52 |
Sokomine |
have you tried running a much older version of mt in order to check how it was back then? |
| 17:57 |
Shara |
Hmm, doing a random christmas give away on one of my servers = fun |
| 18:16 |
Megaf |
aBack |
| 18:17 |
Megaf |
Thomas-S: you said it wasnt very secure to use that yet |
| 18:27 |
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| 18:27 |
Megaf |
VanessaE: yep, I had forgoten about that... Told you my brain doesnt work well either |
| 18:27 |
Megaf |
Krock: its a more or less recent build, from this week |
| 18:29 |
Krock |
the one on port 30003? |
| 18:29 |
Krock |
that appears to be stable 0.4.16 or something similar |
| 18:39 |
Megaf |
paramat: server stopped crashing since I added the print line |
| 18:39 |
Megaf |
was that expected? |
| 18:56 |
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| 19:00 |
Megaf |
Krock: yep, 30003, it is 0.4.16 |
| 19:00 |
Krock |
had to reduce the curl parallel limit. apparently it crashes my connection |
| 19:02 |
Megaf |
Im sending 32 blocks at the same time |
| 19:03 |
Megaf |
done, reduced settings to a more conervative value |
| 19:03 |
Megaf |
I just left the server tho |
| 19:03 |
Megaf |
max_simultaneous_block_sends_per_client = 2 |
| 19:03 |
Megaf |
max_block_send_distance = 4 |
| 19:09 |
Megaf |
paramat: well, it has just crashed |
| 19:10 |
Megaf |
<ACTION> 2017-12-24 19:05:11: [Server] Hamza568 [39.46.94.24] joins game. |
| 19:10 |
Megaf |
<ACTION> 2017-12-24 19:05:11: [Server] Hamza568 joins game. List of players: Hamza568 |
| 19:10 |
Megaf |
[nether] generates at: x=[-512; -433]; y=[-19952; -19873]; z=[-352; -273] |
| 19:10 |
Megaf |
[nether] nodes set after ca. 0.92s |
| 19:10 |
Megaf |
]Segmentation fault |
| 19:11 |
paramat |
yeah the print shouldn't stop a crash, try to find what was printed in terminal by the print line |
| 19:11 |
paramat |
paste the whole terminal output in your repo thread |
| 19:12 |
paramat |
(well the last lines before the crash) |
| 19:19 |
Fixer |
ｅｖｅｒｙｂï½ï½„ｙ　ï½ï½ï½–ｅ　ｙï½ï½•ï½’　ｂï½ï½„ï½™ |
| 19:19 |
VanessaE |
no. |
| 19:24 |
Krock |
+ y |
| 19:25 |
IhrFussel |
Krock, it's weird, when I select his message I see the y |
| 19:26 |
Krock |
oh yes. Weird hexchat |
| 19:27 |
Megaf |
nothing usedful before the segfault paramat |
| 19:27 |
Megaf |
Fixer: how did you write that, it shows in a smaller font here |
| 19:27 |
IhrFussel |
So if I cannot fix my server I will have to implement a "lag check" into my heavy mods that pause when it's too much |
| 19:28 |
IhrFussel |
server lag* |
| 19:28 |
Fixer |
Megaf: https://lingojam.com/vaporwavetextgenerator |
| 19:28 |
Megaf |
paramat: these were the last lines from nether before the segfault |
| 19:28 |
Megaf |
nether:dirt_top |
| 19:28 |
Megaf |
nether:grass_big |
| 19:28 |
Megaf |
nether:dirt_top |
| 19:29 |
Krock |
Fixer, they translate "Oh my gosh! Vaporwave" to "I'm going to the station." |
| 19:29 |
Krock |
or is that just a random japanese sentence generator? |
| 19:30 |
Megaf |
ï¼ï½ï½ƒï¼¢ï½ï½ï½‹ã€€ï¼°ï½’ï½ |
| 19:31 |
Megaf |
ð”—ð”¥ð”¦ð”° ð”¦ð”° ð”‰ð”žð”«ð” 𔶠|
| 19:31 |
Megaf |
Oo |
| 19:31 |
Megaf |
😾🊠 ᕼð‘œÏ‰ ð”»ð¨ï¼¥ð•¤ тＨð“ªâ“£ ẸⓥⒺŇ á—¯ð• ð“»á›•ð“¼!?  ♚☆ |
| 19:32 |
VanessaE |
unicode. |
| 19:32 |
Megaf |
ЦPΛ GЯΣΣK ƧƬYPΣ |
| 19:33 |
Megaf |
(ã£â—”â—¡â—”)㣠♥ I like potatoes. ♥ |
| 19:33 |
* Megaf |
stopped |
| 19:33 |
Megaf |
^https://lingojam.com/FancyTextGenerator |
| 19:33 |
Krock |
🎅🎄🎉🎊 |
| 19:33 |
Krock |
Megaf, http://www.eeemo.net/ |
| 19:34 |
Sokomine |
wish carts would act less strange...and the player's yaw would rotate according to the cart |
| 19:34 |
Megaf |
01001000 01101001 00100000 01001011 01110010 01101111 01100011 01101011 |
| 19:35 |
paramat |
hm ok |
| 19:36 |
Krock |
Sokomine, the view? |
| 19:36 |
Krock |
cinematic currently makes this impossible :/ |
| 19:36 |
paramat |
maybe look at debug.txt for more information. so now you have no useful backtrace? |
| 19:36 |
Megaf |
Set in order ten pins were. The zones merge in the central part of town. |
| 19:37 |
Krock |
Sokomine, because the player model is rotated the right way |
| 19:37 |
Megaf |
Im afraid my debug doesnt write error messages paramat |
| 19:39 |
paramat |
well best remove that print line for now, it was just to try and print out the value of 'nd' |
| 19:39 |
Megaf |
Sokomine, i totally concur yond playeth'r position shouldst changeth with the cart. I bethink t is quite doable since boats art able to doth yond. P'rhaps carts couldst b'rrow some code from boats |
| 19:40 |
Megaf |
paramat: basically nd is every single nether node |
| 19:40 |
* Krock |
gives Megaf a wrench for his keyboard |
| 19:40 |
Megaf |
lmao |
| 19:40 |
Megaf |
thats old English |
| 19:41 |
Megaf |
and the binary code was for you... |
| 19:43 |
Megaf |
cya |
| 19:44 |
Krock |
"Hi Krock". Hi Megaf. |
| 19:44 |
paramat |
Megaf i'm confused, you seem to be working in 2 separate branches, are all fixes added to your master branch? |
| 19:45 |
paramat |
for example have you done this in master? https://github.com/Megaf/nether-pack/commit/175db7fd45730a4236b63bd6457d11526e3a587f#commitcomment-26414235 |
| 19:48 |
paramat |
the work you did in your 'vector extras integrating' branch has not been done in your master branch, why? |
| 19:49 |
paramat |
all the fixes we have worked through have to be in one branch, please combine them |
| 19:50 |
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| 19:51 |
paramat |
^ Megaf[m] |
| 19:58 |
Sokomine |
Krock: the client might let the player rotate. it'd make me less sick while trying to ride a cart |
| 19:59 |
* Sokomine |
looks puzzled at megaf who seems to have fallen back to older english |
| 20:09 |
Megaf |
Oo |
| 20:10 |
* Sokomine |
takes Megaf and puts him into an rpg world as an npc |
| 20:10 |
* Megaf |
runs, fast |
| 20:11 |
Megaf |
Sokomine: Will I get cookies? |
| 20:11 |
Sokomine |
Megaf: if the players feed you well...but i'm afraid apples will be more likely. or cobble |
| 20:12 |
* Megaf |
keeps running, even faster now, Away from RPG world |
| 20:13 |
Sokomine |
hope you've good wood for a boat... |
| 20:14 |
Megaf |
I have a boat |
| 20:14 |
Megaf |
Should have an UFO too |
| 20:14 |
Megaf |
Sokomine: and I dont think you have a house on Megaf Server btw. |
| 20:14 |
Megaf |
I will make my server public as soon as I fix nether |
| 20:15 |
IhrFussel |
Adding dtime of the recent 5 secs and then dividing by the amount should give a fairly well lag report correct? |
| 20:16 |
IhrFussel |
I mean a lag indicator for my mods |
| 20:19 |
IhrFussel |
All I need to do now it depend my other mods on the lag indicator one and check for its critical state global var |
| 20:19 |
Sokomine |
Megaf: i'm sure i did have on an older map |
| 20:20 |
Megaf |
IhrFussel: have my server address handy there? |
| 20:20 |
Megaf |
IhrFussel: nevermind |
| 20:20 |
Megaf |
!up 5.196.88.227 30003 |
| 20:20 |
MinetestBot |
5.196.88.227:30003 is up (10ms) |
| 20:20 |
Megaf |
Sokomine: ^ |
| 20:20 |
Megaf |
!tell paramat https://github.com/Megaf/nether-pack/pull/5#issuecomment-353801581 |
| 20:20 |
MinetestBot |
Megaf: I'll pass that on when paramat is around |
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| 20:29 |
paramat |
that's better =) |
| 20:33 |
Megaf |
paramat: I will remove the other branches now |
| 20:33 |
Megaf |
I think I merged everything already |
| 20:36 |
Megaf |
Little cabin I'm building in Nether https://i.imgur.com/H6pdMUx.png |
| 20:36 |
Megaf |
with netehr stuff |
| 20:36 |
paramat |
unfortunately for you, hybriddog has been a bit sloppy :) |
| 20:37 |
Megaf |
a bit? |
| 20:37 |
Megaf |
paramat: I can fix everything and improve. I just need some help, And you have been providing great help. So I believe that slowly we can make this mod a great mod. |
| 20:38 |
Megaf |
paramat: though with you mapgen experience you could easily redo the nether mod |
| 20:41 |
paramat |
i already did with pilzadam's nether mod |
| 20:43 |
Megaf |
heh, slow improvements in nether-pack it is then |
| 20:45 |
Megaf |
paramat: I already asked my crashed (an experienced Megaf Server player) to come and crash my server in nether. |
| 20:46 |
Megaf |
lets see if our fixes fixed it or not |
| 20:46 |
Megaf |
[6:44 PM] Megaf: @John Smith @Jessch8281 I need some server crashing again, I'm in nether |
| 20:46 |
Megaf |
[6:45 PM] John Smith: coming |
| 20:46 |
Megaf |
best players |
| 20:51 |
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rubenwardy |
cool, custom command works |
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| 21:12 |
Megaf |
19:12 [ChanServ] You are not authorized to (de)voice rubenwardy on #minetest-hub. |
| 21:12 |
Megaf |
=/ |
| 21:13 |
rubenwardy |
heh |
| 21:13 |
* Shara |
wonders what Megaf expected :P |
| 21:14 |
rubenwardy |
https://i.rubenwardy.com/hUSbXMtnAj.png |
| 21:14 |
Megaf |
A hug? |
| 21:14 |
rubenwardy |
kinda an abuse of the userlist system |
| 21:14 |
Krock |
nice dark theme |
| 21:15 |
rubenwardy |
Doesn't work on mods! |
| 21:15 |
rubenwardy |
:P |
| 21:15 |
rubenwardy |
thanks, ripped it from Hexchat's theme website to match Arc Dark |
| 21:15 |
Megaf |
arc!!! I've been trying to remember this theeme name for ages! |
| 21:20 |
Megaf |
there, my desktop with Arc-Dark https://imgur.com/a/sHsjq |
| 21:20 |
Megaf |
rubenwardy: ^ |
| 21:20 |
rubenwardy |
very nice :D |
| 21:21 |
Megaf |
GTK theme I keep changing between Arch and Numix |
| 21:21 |
Megaf |
and for Icon I keep swaping Numix and Breeze |
| 21:21 |
Megaf |
s/Arch/Arc |
| 21:22 |
Megaf |
^ Many years of Arch Linux, got used to writing Arch |
| 21:23 |
Megaf |
Calinou: I just figured out I can actually drop the nick list inside the channel list so I have them in tabs |
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| 21:27 |
Calinou |
hi :) |
| 21:27 |
Calinou |
merry Christmas! |
| 21:27 |
Megaf |
merry Christmas Calinou :D |
| 21:27 |
Calinou |
I'm at my grandfather's place |
| 21:30 |
Megaf |
I'm going to mine in 5 min or so |
| 21:30 |
Megaf |
cya |
| 21:38 |
EvergreenTree |
o/ merry christmas everyone |
| 21:39 |
EvergreenTree |
Speaking of Arc: https://imgur.com/a/3u22V |
| 21:49 |
ThomasMonroe |
merry Christmas all |
| 23:09 |
Jordach |
christmas hugs for all |
| 23:26 |
sfan5 |
for me please |
| 23:28 |
Calinou |
/giveme christmas:hug -1 |
| 23:56 |
Megaf |
Merry Jesus birthday ThomasMonroe :D |
