| Time |
Nick |
Message |
| 00:00 |
Aerozoic |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6789 |
| 00:00 |
ThomasMonroe |
oh XD thought you were talking to me paramat |
| 00:01 |
Aerozoic |
oh haha, a few seconds too late |
| 00:02 |
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| 00:02 |
paramat |
i can tell i've been processing issues too much, i'm beginning to remember them |
| 00:05 |
Jordach |
paramat, i'd toss you a tenner for crimbo |
| 00:05 |
Jordach |
but my wallet at the minute is currently on, survive, adapt |
| 00:06 |
Fixer |
evolve |
| 00:06 |
Jordach |
lmao |
| 00:07 |
ThomasMonroe |
lol |
| 00:08 |
paramat |
no prob not dead yet |
| 00:08 |
Jordach |
paramat, been buried under my paperwork from NCC |
| 00:09 |
Jordach |
DWP is about to get rekt |
| 00:09 |
paramat |
hope so =) |
| 00:09 |
Jordach |
i do have a packet of mcvities on the desk |
| 00:12 |
Fixer |
github is so slow in firefox, damned |
| 00:12 |
Fixer |
f a s t e r |
| 00:12 |
ThomasMonroe |
l o l |
| 00:17 |
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| 00:30 |
Fixer |
bug flying in my face |
| 00:30 |
Fixer |
what is this? summer? |
| 00:31 |
sofar |
global warming |
| 00:31 |
ThomasMonroe |
erm, don't you mean "climate change"? |
| 00:31 |
ThomasMonroe |
:P |
| 00:31 |
sofar |
no |
| 00:31 |
sofar |
if you said "human induced climate anomaly", then yes |
| 00:32 |
ThomasMonroe |
not sure we can prove that, but ok |
| 00:32 |
sofar |
fuck you |
| 00:32 |
ThomasMonroe |
? |
| 00:32 |
Fixer |
sofar: some time ago, i've read this book about it: "Donald Rapp - Assessing Climate Change - Temperatures, Solar Radiation and Heat Balance", pretty good one |
| 00:33 |
ThomasMonroe |
and also the earth went through an ice age, why not blame that on humans too? |
| 00:33 |
Fixer |
quite good one |
| 00:34 |
sofar |
it's too late to hide behind lies, guys, being complacent in the destruction of the earth is a crime |
| 00:34 |
Fixer |
sofar: yesterday i've posted a link to Creative Computing magazine from 70s, it had article "global cooling" mentioned in article and finding potential causes, that was funny in a way |
| 00:35 |
Fixer |
nevermind the writing |
| 00:35 |
Fixer |
let me search for exact wording |
| 00:36 |
Fixer |
CLIMATE BY COMPUTER |
| 00:36 |
Fixer |
Computer simulation of complex systems like the atmosphere is a tricky business, |
| 00:36 |
Fixer |
but two IBM scientists are trying to use computers to answer at least one |
| 00:36 |
Fixer |
pressing question: Is dust pollution contributing to the global cooling trends? |
| 00:36 |
Fixer |
Their tentative answer is negative, "initial results indicate that the effect of |
| 00:36 |
Fixer |
dust on the earth's [climate] has been overestimated." |
| 00:36 |
Fixer |
1972 |
| 00:36 |
Fixer |
https://www.atariarchives.org/bcc1/showpage.php?page=48 |
| 00:37 |
Fixer |
sofar: i don't denied it, it is climate change to warmer (and it sucks) |
| 00:38 |
Fixer |
don't denie |
| 00:38 |
Fixer |
hmm |
| 00:39 |
sofar |
https://climate.nasa.gov/news/807/dusts-warming-counters-half-of-its-cooling-effect/ |
| 00:39 |
Fixer |
i though denied was a word, can't find it my dictionaries |
| 00:40 |
Fixer |
in my* |
| 00:40 |
ThomasMonroe |
http://blog.drwile.com/a-climate-skeptics-story/ |
| 00:40 |
ThomasMonroe |
http://blog.drwile.com/sometimes-its-the-deniers-who-are-right/ |
| 00:40 |
Fixer |
ThomasMonroe: read that book I posted above, it has tons of data |
| 00:40 |
ThomasMonroe |
ok, I'll take a look |
| 00:41 |
Fixer |
denial |
| 00:41 |
Fixer |
ah |
| 00:41 |
sofar |
oh ffs "Proslogion – Thoughts from a scientist who is a Christia" |
| 00:41 |
Fixer |
deny |
| 00:41 |
Fixer |
found it |
| 00:42 |
sofar |
nothing wrong with responsible science |
| 00:42 |
sofar |
but that, it is not |
| 00:42 |
ThomasMonroe |
what is not? |
| 00:42 |
sofar |
responsible science |
| 00:42 |
ThomasMonroe |
what is not responsible science? |
| 00:42 |
ThomasMonroe |
teaching theory as fact? |
| 00:43 |
sofar |
disputing the overwhelming evidence |
| 00:43 |
sofar |
that's not science |
| 00:43 |
sofar |
that's criminal |
| 00:43 |
sofar |
immoral |
| 00:43 |
sofar |
unethical |
| 00:43 |
sofar |
dangerous |
| 00:43 |
Fixer |
sofar: not in usa (/me runs) |
| 00:43 |
ThomasMonroe |
ok, there was overwhelming evidence that quasi-periodic crystals did not exist and yet they do |
| 00:44 |
Fixer |
sofar: usa is awkward nation, it is kinda quite progressive, but too much religious and a lot of people have crazy beliefs |
| 00:44 |
sofar |
so science makes small incremental improvements? |
| 00:44 |
ThomasMonroe |
wdym? |
| 00:44 |
sofar |
you can't just waive a hundred years of climate science away |
| 00:44 |
sofar |
one tiny part, sure, show me the article |
| 00:44 |
sofar |
all of it? fuck no |
| 00:45 |
ThomasMonroe |
like Galeleio waived the entire geocentric theory goodbye? |
| 00:45 |
sofar |
fuck you, you're just trolling to get points |
| 00:45 |
Fixer |
climate change is a fact, earth climate has changed through earth history a lot, and todays humans may have contributed to some warming recently, time will show who is right, but for now it is warming every year |
| 00:45 |
sofar |
"I know better because I'm critical" |
| 00:45 |
ThomasMonroe |
^ |
| 00:45 |
sofar |
"sometimes scientists are wrong" |
| 00:45 |
ThomasMonroe |
Fixer: thats exactly what I am trying to say |
| 00:46 |
sofar |
so that means you can just scream that global warming isn't man-made? |
| 00:46 |
sofar |
throw away millions of years of temperature data? |
| 00:46 |
ThomasMonroe |
the point is we don't know |
| 00:46 |
sofar |
WE |
| 00:46 |
sofar |
FUCKING |
| 00:46 |
sofar |
DO |
| 00:46 |
ThomasMonroe |
millions? |
| 00:46 |
Fixer |
humans has contribution in warming |
| 00:46 |
Fixer |
have |
| 00:46 |
sofar |
millions |
| 00:46 |
sofar |
we have millions of years of temperature and climate data |
| 00:47 |
sofar |
we know the oxygen level of the atmosphere in the devonian |
| 00:47 |
Fixer |
if you read that 800 pages book, it has very detailed review of everything, past climate, co2 increase leading to T increase, etc |
| 00:47 |
Fixer |
yeah |
| 00:47 |
Fixer |
recent data from ice cores and trees |
| 00:48 |
ThomasMonroe |
I gtg eat dinner, sorry if my opinion is different |
| 00:48 |
Fixer |
it even looks into that hockey stick controversy |
| 00:48 |
Fixer |
even if you take critics into effect - there is still warming |
| 00:48 |
sofar |
this attitude is immoral and irresponsible |
| 00:48 |
sofar |
it leads to people just driving more hummers |
| 00:49 |
Fixer |
sofar: business as usual (tm) |
| 00:49 |
Fixer |
oh that book is just 400 pages, not 800 |
| 00:49 |
sofar |
I can not accept opinions that will destroy the world for my children |
| 00:50 |
Shara |
There's rather a lot of them to change though |
| 00:51 |
Fixer |
sofar: pep0l/governments want economic growth/prosperity => destroying ecosystem/warming => nah, I will be dead anyway => fuck kids |
| 00:51 |
sofar |
I'm putting them on notice |
| 00:51 |
sofar |
it's not acceptable |
| 00:51 |
sofar |
period |
| 00:51 |
Fixer |
and you got a new future punk movie or how it is called |
| 00:51 |
Shara |
And even most who agree just won't change because <stuff Fixer said> |
| 00:51 |
sofar |
kick me if that isn't acceptable |
| 00:51 |
sofar |
I will not stand idly by |
| 00:52 |
* Shara |
would probably kick anyone who kicks anyone for caring about such things :) |
| 00:52 |
Fixer |
sofar: politicians don't care, but, EU/US is pretty concious, but it is just 1billion of Earth |
| 00:52 |
sofar |
heck, you're using a computer, wtf, you're going to use it but not believe in the science that made it possible in the first place? |
| 00:53 |
Fixer |
conscious |
| 00:53 |
Fixer |
sofar: r e p u b l i c a n s |
| 00:53 |
Fixer |
not all of them are bad though |
| 00:54 |
sofar |
problem is that one half of them is half-bad on one issue |
| 00:54 |
sofar |
the other half is bad on another issue |
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| 00:55 |
Fixer |
even in Eeas Europe, I don't see much environmentalism at all (apart from few rare activists) |
| 00:55 |
Fixer |
East* |
| 00:55 |
Fixer |
there is even no sorting of trash |
| 00:55 |
sofar |
how can you want to be conservative, but not conserve the environment? |
| 00:56 |
sofar |
hypocrit much? |
| 00:56 |
Fixer |
sofar: who? |
| 00:56 |
Fixer |
but we do use gas as main heating source, while China burns that coal |
| 00:57 |
Fixer |
sofar: you mean Monroe? i was never conservative much, pro science, it is just local population and politicians don't care here |
| 00:57 |
Fixer |
not just here |
| 00:57 |
Fixer |
it is when it goes to shit, they will start alarm |
| 00:57 |
Fixer |
like that smog in China, now they thinking how to reduce air pollution |
| 00:58 |
Fixer |
sofar: also, there is 1"golden" billion, but soon will be 9 "poor" billions (mostly africa and asia), now that will be a shitshow |
| 00:59 |
Fixer |
sofar: 1) if they remain poor - ok, not much more pollution 2) if they develope - lack of resources/tons of pollution |
| 01:01 |
Fixer |
sofar: also, nobody cares about this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Limits_to_Growth , business as usual, future generations are fucked if no action, but i hope it will, more recycling, less coal burning, fusion reactors |
| 01:01 |
Fixer |
it will be mitigated* |
| 01:03 |
shivajiva |
they just want us to pay to clean up something they allowed to be created in the first place for profit |
| 01:04 |
Fixer |
sofar: few generations after us will enjoy a shit show, or maybe a bright revitalised future, or kinda meh, high tech - low life (heck, it is already that way) |
| 01:04 |
Fixer |
shivajiva: it is fundamental problem |
| 01:04 |
shivajiva |
how can we refuse, it's our kids legacy |
| 01:04 |
Fixer |
shivajiva: in short - kill all humans |
| 01:04 |
shivajiva |
good plan |
| 01:04 |
Fixer |
problem solved |
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| 01:04 |
shivajiva |
start with the politicians pls |
| 01:05 |
Shara |
^ |
| 01:05 |
sofar |
start with the special interests and kill citizens united |
| 01:05 |
sofar |
take money out of politics |
| 01:05 |
Fixer |
shivajiva: with bullets (:trollface:) |
| 01:06 |
sofar |
change the voting system so it's not fricken criminally rigged (US) |
| 01:06 |
Fixer |
sofar: it can't be solved much, current world runs on economic growth that is sustained by extracting finite resources and adding pollution in proccess |
| 01:06 |
sofar |
etc |
| 01:07 |
Fixer |
sofar: to decrease pollution you need to slow economic growth and stop burning fuels, use solars/nuclear/hydro etc, but that needs huge investment, don't forget that car-crap usa can't live without |
| 01:08 |
shivajiva |
now we have arrived at at level of tech advancement the issue for the rich is they have too many worker ants to really control the game and enjoy the reward |
| 01:08 |
shivajiva |
so they need a solution :) |
| 01:08 |
Fixer |
anyway, future looks to me not totally bright, more like high tech - low life thing |
| 01:08 |
shivajiva |
it's called war |
| 01:09 |
Fixer |
maltus |
| 01:09 |
Fixer |
is watching |
| 01:09 |
Fixer |
creepy |
| 01:09 |
Fixer |
:D |
| 01:09 |
sofar |
I'm still fighting the guy who avoids the inconvenient truth |
| 01:10 |
Fixer |
sofar: pfff, it is like probably 100-200 mln in USA of those guys |
| 01:10 |
Fixer |
sofar: with dinosaur bones placed by god 5000 years ago and such |
| 01:10 |
shivajiva |
ahh |
| 01:11 |
sofar |
sad part is he's probably a late teenager who is indoctrinated at home, and my attitude is just scaring him away from making his own mind up |
| 01:13 |
shivajiva |
you can't beat sense into people |
| 01:13 |
Fixer |
sofar: everything is centered about ME, JOBS, GROWTH, MORE WAGE, BUY, CONSUME, it is not su(a)stainable |
| 01:13 |
Fixer |
it is part of human nature |
| 01:13 |
Fixer |
selfdestructive part |
| 01:13 |
Fixer |
self-destructive* |
| 01:13 |
sofar |
a small growth isn't bad for sustainability, heck even shrinkage would be fine, obviously |
| 01:14 |
Fixer |
sofar: nah, it goes into crysis pretty fast, very evident here in Europe |
| 01:14 |
Fixer |
sofar: when you have near 0% gdp growth, economists are not comfy with that, worries, debt problems, money injecting |
| 01:15 |
sofar |
what you need is like 0.5-1.0% growth, where you hide that some sectors are no longer counted because obsolete |
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| 01:15 |
Fixer |
with jobless crowd moved into North Korea |
| 01:15 |
sofar |
humans need to learn how to shrink |
| 01:15 |
sofar |
sadly, I am of netherlands genetics, and tall |
| 01:15 |
Fixer |
EU already shrinked, it is other parts that are exploding like a bacteria |
| 01:15 |
sofar |
isn't there a new matt damon movie about this coming out? |
| 01:16 |
sofar |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Md0XJZlbAk |
| 01:16 |
Fixer |
poor africa/asia population is skyrocketing |
| 01:16 |
shivajiva |
growth isn't sustainable due to the nature of democracy [veiled dictatorship] and the conspicuous consumption driven by greed |
| 01:16 |
Fixer |
they need pop regulation, not EU |
| 01:17 |
Fixer |
shivajiva: it is simple to fix, wait 100 years, much less resources - prices going up radically, low-mid class destroyed, rethinking of economy, it will be tough |
| 01:18 |
Fixer |
humans will wait until it is really bad and later start acting, when it is late |
| 01:18 |
Fixer |
bed* |
| 01:18 |
Fixer |
sleep time |
| 01:19 |
Fixer |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Essay_on_the_Principle_of_Population |
| 01:20 |
Fixer |
people who study economy - knows this thing, it was overly alarming for its time, but its effect may be delayed into our future |
| 01:20 |
Fixer |
know* |
| 01:20 |
shivajiva |
and so we find ourselves on the spiral arm of a galaxy, pretty much as far out as it gets =) |
| 01:22 |
shivajiva |
good job really, we can work our way into the middle destroying everything as we go |
| 01:22 |
sofar |
birth control was perfected when child diseases were eradicated |
| 01:22 |
Fixer |
sofar: EU is shrinking pretty good, even with tall, it is those africa/asia fuckers "literally" |
| 01:23 |
Fixer |
in 100 years Africa/Asia can overrun Europe easily |
| 01:23 |
sofar |
EU is still growing .25% - europe is probably shrinking though |
| 01:23 |
Fixer |
EU projected population is 500-700 mln iirc |
| 01:23 |
Fixer |
Africa will be like 3 billions |
| 01:23 |
sofar |
all of europe is 743 million (2015) |
| 01:24 |
Fixer |
big part of Europe already lost a loooot of population |
| 01:24 |
sofar |
511 in EU (2016) |
| 01:24 |
Fixer |
east is affected worst |
| 01:24 |
* sofar |
goes to commute |
| 01:24 |
Fixer |
anyway, it is not europe problem |
| 01:24 |
Fixer |
africa/asia thing |
| 01:25 |
Fixer |
gonna build a wall, right? |
| 01:27 |
shivajiva |
one thing I do struggle with is the fact the CO2 went up before the industrial revolution to it's present levels, would explain where all the trees went though |
| 01:29 |
shivajiva |
:P |
| 01:37 |
shivajiva |
NASA stated all the planets in our solar system are heating up, suggesting some sheer force is in play and we know that we wobble up and down on the lateral plane of our galaxy |
| 01:43 |
paramat |
oh dear, this 'scientist who is a christian' site is ridiculous, he's a young-earth creationist for a start |
| 01:44 |
benrob0329 |
paramat: \*raises eyebrow at instant rejecting of other scientific views\* |
| 01:46 |
paramat |
not a scientist, and his is not a scientific view |
| 01:47 |
benrob0329 |
the former is true, the latter is very closed minded of you :-) |
| 01:47 |
benrob0329 |
there are many other theories aside from the "many billions of years" that is commonly used |
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jas_ |
how about that minetest? |
| 01:51 |
benrob0329 |
jas_: what about what minetest? |
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| 01:52 |
paramat |
yes, but they're poor theories that few scientists believe |
| 01:53 |
shivajiva |
There are 360 days in a year for Brahma and we are in the first day of 51st year. So as per the vedas, the current age of the universe is 155,521,972,944,456 Years which is about 155,522 billion years !!! |
| 01:54 |
benrob0329 |
paramat: believe what you will, science is something that has changed drastically over the years, and I refuse to be stuck on any one theory that may or may not be wrong |
| 01:55 |
paramat |
anyway, i have a physics degree from the world's top university, so this might explain my views =) |
| 01:56 |
shivajiva |
did it teach you matter is degraded antimatter? |
| 01:57 |
paramat |
science is not stuck on one theory either, that's what science is about, constantly re-assessing. however you can still have things that are highly probable |
| 01:58 |
paramat |
the vedas make much more sense than christianity, as does buddhism |
| 01:58 |
paramat |
but, nuff said |
| 01:58 |
benrob0329 |
I never said Christianity made sense, it doesnt a lot of times |
| 01:59 |
ThomasMonroe |
thats for sure |
| 01:59 |
benrob0329 |
which is why I'm not Christian |
| 02:01 |
ThomasMonroe |
the word "Christian" gets thrown around alot these days, it could mean anything even related to God(within reason) |
| 02:02 |
shivajiva |
you would have to show the lineage ^ |
| 02:02 |
jas_ |
athiesm is a hell of a religion |
| 02:02 |
jas_ |
g'night! |
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shivajiva |
rofl |
| 02:03 |
benrob0329 |
Labels are a hell of a religion |
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tumeninodes |
Oh, I'm sorry wrong room... I was looking for minetest-hub |
| 02:34 |
tumeninodes |
no wait? this is the right room. WTF is going on here? and who got sofar so worked up? :P |
| 02:35 |
shivajiva |
check the logs ;) |
| 02:36 |
tumeninodes |
ha, the proof is always "in the logs" |
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| 02:36 |
shivajiva |
depending on how you read it xD |
| 02:37 |
tumeninodes |
I always read them, the way they best suit my needs ;) |
| 02:37 |
ThomasMonroe |
sry my internet cut out, did i miss anything? |
| 02:37 |
shivajiva |
1 line |
| 02:38 |
tumeninodes |
miss anything? if you mean "here" no... but plenty has happened across the world in those few moments |
| 02:38 |
ThomasMonroe |
oh ok thanks |
| 02:38 |
ThomasMonroe |
touche |
| 02:38 |
tumeninodes |
hey, don't touche me... |
| 02:38 |
tumeninodes |
:P |
| 02:38 |
ThomasMonroe |
lol |
| 02:39 |
tumeninodes |
I could have sworn I had something to talk about when I headed over here... now I forgot |
| 02:39 |
shivajiva |
must be mt related :) |
| 02:40 |
tumeninodes |
as a matter of fact it was... At least I think it was |
| 02:41 |
tumeninodes |
as I know this is no place for any sort of #uckery |
| 02:41 |
shivajiva |
though that covers all sorts judging by the content =) |
| 02:41 |
* tumeninodes |
is self censored |
| 02:42 |
shivajiva |
I actually meant you must of had minetest in mind when you came to chat |
| 02:43 |
tumeninodes |
... exactically |
| 02:44 |
ThomasMonroe |
sometimes I wish contreversial issues weren't so..contreversial |
| 02:44 |
tumeninodes |
I certainly would not have come with intent to chat about Doom or global warming heh |
| 02:44 |
shivajiva |
lol |
| 02:45 |
tumeninodes |
everything today is controversial... that's why we have MT/MTG |
| 02:45 |
ThomasMonroe |
true, nor did I, i just made a sarcastic commment and then we started talking about it |
| 02:46 |
tumeninodes |
sarcasm rules :D I use it very often. Some say, far too often |
| 02:46 |
tumeninodes |
it spices things up |
| 02:46 |
shivajiva |
politics and religion are a minefield ;) |
| 02:47 |
ThomasMonroe |
with waay too many mines XD |
| 02:47 |
ThomasMonroe |
sarcasm is awesome, when used correctly |
| 02:47 |
tumeninodes |
just always remember... sofar is not open to sarcasm related to global conditions ; ) |
| 02:47 |
ThomasMonroe |
I will from now on ;) |
| 02:48 |
tumeninodes |
hey... this is good... off-topic led to something "mine" related |
| 02:48 |
tumeninodes |
minefields... sounds like a decent game idea |
| 02:49 |
shivajiva |
hehe thought I'd got away with that one |
| 02:49 |
tumeninodes |
an ore, which explodes if struck by a pick or exposed to a torch. makes mining.... interesting |
| 02:49 |
shivajiva |
lets call it TNT xD |
| 02:50 |
ThomasMonroe |
that would dynamite ;P |
| 02:50 |
tumeninodes |
: | |
| 02:50 |
ThomasMonroe |
be* |
| 02:50 |
tumeninodes |
that's my "really?" face |
| 02:50 |
ThomasMonroe |
retry |
| 02:50 |
ThomasMonroe |
that would be dynamite ;P |
| 02:50 |
ThomasMonroe |
-_- |
| 02:50 |
ThomasMonroe |
thats mine |
| 02:50 |
shivajiva |
or the sweat from dynamite |
| 02:51 |
shivajiva |
nitro |
| 02:51 |
tumeninodes |
nitro is fun |
| 02:51 |
ThomasMonroe |
nitro(us oxide or glycerin)? |
| 02:51 |
* shivajiva |
pops tumeninodes balloon |
| 02:51 |
tumeninodes |
: | |
| 02:51 |
ThomasMonroe |
:D |
| 02:52 |
ThomasMonroe |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/6788 |
| 02:52 |
ThomasMonroe |
hmm now why did Travis fail? |
| 02:52 |
tumeninodes |
I've never had a balloon... cept for that one |
| 02:53 |
ThomasMonroe |
O.O n-n-nev-ver? |
| 02:53 |
tumeninodes |
Travis sucks. I never trust anything named... Travis... especially people |
| 02:53 |
ThomasMonroe |
lol |
| 02:53 |
tumeninodes |
go home travis, no one likes you |
| 02:54 |
benrob0329 |
go drunk travis, you're home |
| 02:54 |
ThomasMonroe |
oh lol it couldnt install a dep |
| 02:54 |
ThomasMonroe |
https://travis-ci.org/minetest/minetest/jobs/316689969 |
| 02:54 |
tumeninodes |
muahahahahahaha |
| 02:54 |
tumeninodes |
travis has no jab |
| 02:54 |
shivajiva |
I'll send you a whole box of party ones, zzz o/ :) |
| 02:55 |
ThomasMonroe |
:P |
| 02:57 |
tumeninodes |
can they be luft???? |
| 02:57 |
tumeninodes |
strange that deb could not be pulled |
| 02:57 |
tumeninodes |
dep |
| 02:58 |
tumeninodes |
derp |
| 02:58 |
tumeninodes |
night, don;t forget 99 luft balloons |
| 03:00 |
tumeninodes |
benrob, how goes the tardis? I have not been keeping up to date |
| 03:15 |
benrob0329 |
tumeninodes: slowly |
| 03:15 |
benrob0329 |
but surely |
| 03:24 |
tumeninodes |
slowly is fine... it means "done right" and worth the wait. I have fun with it |
| 03:24 |
tumeninodes |
I am off to sleepyland... night |
| 03:29 |
Grandolf |
benrob, you are doing a tardis? |
| 03:32 |
benrob0329 |
Grandolf: yes, have been for a while now |
| 03:33 |
Grandolf |
is there a link? |
| 03:33 |
benrob0329 |
Still in alpha, going to be some more breaking changes |
| 03:33 |
benrob0329 |
Sure *goes to grab it* |
| 03:34 |
benrob0329 |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=18858&p=300949#p300949 |
| 03:44 |
Grandolf |
awesome, just wish my tardis had a floor XD |
| 03:57 |
benrob0329 |
Grandolf: wat |
| 03:59 |
Grandolf |
mi tardis had no floor 0_o |
| 04:00 |
Grandolf |
like i fell out bc nothing to stand on except controls in center |
| 04:00 |
Grandolf |
lol |
| 04:04 |
benrob0329 |
That is..odd |
| 04:04 |
benrob0329 |
Are you using MTG? |
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| 08:25 |
Megaf |
Morning |
| 08:54 |
CWz |
what is this error: AsyncErr: ServerThread::run Lua: Invalid float vector dimension range 'x' (expected -2.14748e+06 < x < 2.14748e+06 got -nan). |
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CWz |
gonna re-ask this since few have logged in. what does this error mean and what causes it: AsyncErr: ServerThread::run Lua: Invalid float vector dimension range 'x' (expected -2.14748e+06 < x < 2.14748e+06 got -nan). |
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| 10:24 |
tenplus1 |
hif olks |
| 10:27 |
Krock |
hi tenplus1 |
| 10:27 |
tenplus1 |
hey Krock, what's new ? |
| 10:28 |
Krock |
a few fresh commits on minetest/minetest and the ongoing FCC BS |
| 10:28 |
tenplus1 |
*sigh* I heard about the ruling yesterday for net neutrality in the states |
| 10:30 |
tenplus1 |
+1'd your attached objects pull... we need 'dis |
| 10:31 |
Megaf |
somehow my map got smaller after several clearobjects and vacuums 4.3G map.sqlite |
| 10:31 |
tenplus1 |
hi Megaf |
| 10:32 |
Megaf |
Hi tenplus1 |
| 10:32 |
Megaf |
CWz: maybe -dev? |
| 10:32 |
tenplus1 |
you should try the map clean script, would shrink map to 2% of it's total size :D |
| 10:33 |
Megaf |
explain |
| 10:33 |
Raven262 |
Hi ten |
| 10:33 |
tenplus1 |
hir aven |
| 10:33 |
Raven262 |
Hi Megaf |
| 10:33 |
Raven262 |
Hi Krock |
| 10:33 |
Krock |
hi Raven262 |
| 10:33 |
tenplus1 |
Megaf: I have a script that works with sql maps and only saves map blocks that have user items like protectors or torches in them, the rest it deletes :) |
| 10:33 |
CWz |
seemd to have been caused by the set home mod |
| 10:34 |
Megaf |
tenplus1: terrible |
| 10:34 |
Krock |
tenplus1, that's an amazing script :) |
| 10:34 |
Megaf |
what about all the mines and tunel networks |
| 10:34 |
Krock |
but I guess the air above will have to be re-generated over and over again |
| 10:34 |
tenplus1 |
I used it once on Xanadu mk.2 and it shrank the map from 28gb right down to 1014mb |
| 10:35 |
Krock |
Megaf, thus, torches. |
| 10:35 |
Krock |
map limits are also quite helpful btw |
| 10:36 |
Megaf |
tenplus1: you could just wipe air nodes |
| 10:36 |
tenplus1 |
yeah, kinda wish you could limit the height of a map and not just the width |
| 10:36 |
Megaf |
But even that would be bad on my server |
| 10:36 |
Megaf |
Since we have cities underwater |
| 10:36 |
Megaf |
and wiping the air nodes would flood the cities |
| 10:36 |
tenplus1 |
oof |
| 10:38 |
Megaf |
Megaf Server is complex man |
| 10:38 |
Megaf |
very complex |
| 10:38 |
tenplus1 |
I can imagine |
| 10:38 |
Megaf |
some structures are just udnerground carvings |
| 10:38 |
Megaf |
theres a guy building a gigantic cathedral underground |
| 10:38 |
Megaf |
but just d]carc\ving, digging |
| 10:38 |
Megaf |
He has been building it for 4 years |
| 10:38 |
Raven262 |
Sounds like something i would build. |
| 10:38 |
tenplus1 |
sweet :) gotta give players kudos for using the surrounding landscape to build with |
| 10:39 |
Megaf |
And my server is survival |
| 10:39 |
tenplus1 |
we banned lava buckets on Xanadu due to player griefing and one dude built around the fiery biomes to hav a lava put in his living room :P |
| 10:39 |
Megaf |
the buckets on my server is a mod made by me, just a dummy bucket to use in recipes |
| 10:40 |
Megaf |
fire is a dummy fire too, that was before we had settings for fire |
| 10:40 |
tenplus1 |
:P we're using rube's bucket mod... lot smaller and works better than default |
| 10:41 |
tenplus1 |
also has alternative liquids set for specific buckets |
| 10:41 |
Raven262 |
tenplus1, remember that underground town that lisac and I built? |
| 10:42 |
tenplus1 |
did ya finish it ? |
| 10:42 |
Raven262 |
We had plans that, if we find a lava cave nearby, we are to make a lava tube to lead into the abyss. |
| 10:42 |
Raven262 |
Nah |
| 10:42 |
Raven262 |
Maybe once :P |
| 10:42 |
tenplus1 |
ooh, sounds interesting |
| 10:42 |
Raven262 |
Yeah, though i'm not sure that lava would spread around that easily :( |
| 10:43 |
tenplus1 |
was gonna add a magma block at one point... very slow timed abm to cause it to move upwards/sideways until it hits air then turns to lava sourec :D |
| 10:43 |
Raven262 |
But it would be practical, for killing the mobs that spawn in the abyss |
| 10:43 |
Raven262 |
Nice idea |
| 10:43 |
tenplus1 |
had a weird feeling it would devastate the map tho :P |
| 10:43 |
Raven262 |
Most likely. |
| 10:44 |
Raven262 |
Better focus on those lucky blocks xD |
| 10:44 |
tenplus1 |
hah, those already DO devastate maps if placed wrong |
| 10:44 |
Raven262 |
They only spawn in the lucky block arena, right? |
| 10:44 |
tenplus1 |
one of the new traps was spawning 2x dungeon lords and it blew everything up around them that wasnt protected |
| 10:44 |
Raven262 |
Wow. |
| 10:44 |
Raven262 |
Nice, guess living near the place has its costs. |
| 10:44 |
tenplus1 |
they eventually got killed and dropped diamond blocks tho |
| 10:45 |
tenplus1 |
arena no.2 has the spleef arena and build battle arena next door, so no actual ppl yet :D |
| 10:45 |
Raven262 |
Oh, good for them :P |
| 10:46 |
Raven262 |
Now browsing trough all my minetest screenshots on imgur... |
| 10:47 |
tenplus1 |
hope you put the good one's on forum :P |
| 10:47 |
Raven262 |
Still waiting for somebody to explain this: https://i.imgur.com/vfJ5CdE.png |
| 10:47 |
Raven262 |
Not all of them.. |
| 10:50 |
Calinou |
hi :) |
| 10:50 |
tenplus1 |
hi Cal |
| 10:50 |
Raven262 |
Hi Calinou |
| 10:50 |
Calinou |
Raven262: that tree is… stoned |
| 10:50 |
* Calinou |
hides |
| 10:51 |
Raven262 |
Damn. |
| 10:51 |
Raven262 |
But seriously, if the dungeon generation is happening after the decorations are placed, why isn't there grass over cobble? |
| 10:52 |
tenplus1 |
? |
| 10:53 |
Raven262 |
You know, grass_* is placed on the grassland biome. |
| 10:53 |
CWz |
i think could solve this glitch by having home round up the x y z as integers |
| 10:53 |
Raven262 |
If the dungeon ceiling is generated on the same height as the dirt_with_grass with a grass_* over it |
| 10:53 |
tenplus1 |
I always thought that dungeon generation was done after cavegen and biome layering |
| 10:54 |
CWz |
how does one turn floats into integers |
| 10:55 |
tenplus1 |
integer = math.floor(float) |
| 10:56 |
tenplus1 |
or integer = math.ceil(floor) |
| 10:56 |
tenplus1 |
one for lowest, one for highest |
| 10:58 |
Raven262 |
Btw, might be on topic, I noticed that voxelmanip won't round up the coords by itself, but will jump over any float it encounters as coord. |
| 10:58 |
tenplus1 |
yeah noticed that too when mob api was freaking out with explosions |
| 10:59 |
Raven262 |
lol |
| 10:59 |
tenplus1 |
you'd think voxelmanip would work properly with floating point coords... |
| 10:59 |
Raven262 |
I've been making some air pyramids, but thats not important right now. |
| 10:59 |
tenplus1 |
at least round them in engine and not lua |
| 11:00 |
Raven262 |
I also expected this, used a for loop which raises coord value by 0.5 each loop, got nothing in return :P |
| 11:00 |
Raven262 |
But math.ceil helped |
| 11:00 |
tenplus1 |
:) |
| 11:01 |
Raven262 |
And the result was: https://i.imgur.com/DSpAfTf.png |
| 11:02 |
Raven262 |
I call it the "Obelisk Square" element. |
| 11:02 |
tenplus1 |
lol |
| 11:03 |
Raven262 |
There is a complete function for generating obelisks too, so this one might get a more complex version of itself too. |
| 11:03 |
Raven262 |
And when i mix all of these up, it'll be worth exploring. |
| 11:03 |
tenplus1 |
yeah, the caves need to be more entertaining for exploration |
| 11:04 |
tenplus1 |
right now they are kinda dull |
| 11:04 |
tenplus1 |
was hoping that paramat's map layering addition would help in adding nether-like biomes deep underground and caverealms also using normal mapgen |
| 11:04 |
Raven262 |
I also hope for this. |
| 11:05 |
Raven262 |
He did add underground decorations recently. |
| 11:05 |
tenplus1 |
+100 for that :) below and above(ceiling) decor... I like |
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| 11:07 |
tenplus1 |
o/ Fixer |
| 11:09 |
Fixer |
hello |
| 11:23 |
Krock |
Raven262, interesting version number |
| 11:38 |
Megaf |
!up 2001:41d0:a:fbe3:0:0:0:1 30003 |
| 11:38 |
MinetestBot |
Megaf: invalid address |
| 11:39 |
Megaf |
!up 5.196.88.227 30003 |
| 11:39 |
MinetestBot |
5.196.88.227:30003 is up (13ms) |
| 11:40 |
Krock |
!up [2001:41d0:a:fbe3:0:0:0:1] 3000 |
| 11:40 |
MinetestBot |
Krock: invalid address |
| 11:40 |
Megaf |
nice try tho |
| 11:41 |
Megaf |
!up "2001:41d0:a:fbe3:0:0:0:1" 30003 |
| 11:41 |
MinetestBot |
Megaf: invalid address |
| 11:41 |
Megaf |
so if internet hangs when getting media, client will freeze |
| 11:47 |
Megaf |
ShadowNinja: Heya, you still actively developing areas? |
| 11:48 |
Megaf |
shivajiva: ping |
| 11:56 |
Raven262 |
Krock, Hexchat or OS version? |
| 11:58 |
Krock |
Raven262, Minetest. |
| 11:59 |
Raven262 |
Ah |
| 12:00 |
Raven262 |
I thought you did ctcp version |
| 12:00 |
Raven262 |
Which screenshot though, I have posted some old ones. |
| 12:06 |
Krock |
<Raven262> And the result was: https://i.imgur.com/DSpAfTf.png |
| 12:07 |
Krock |
apparently a version compiled with the faulty stable-0.4 branch |
| 12:08 |
red-001 |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=19027 lol |
| 12:09 |
red-001 |
how do you even write a bot and not realise you can't use html on most forums |
| 12:13 |
tenplus1 |
hah... also hi red |
| 12:16 |
Raven262 |
Well, yes, i complied it a while ago, Krock. |
| 12:16 |
Raven262 |
I also have an old 0.5 client |
| 12:21 |
Megaf |
!up 5.196.88.227 30003 |
| 12:21 |
MinetestBot |
5.196.88.227:30003 is up (11ms) |
| 12:22 |
sfan5 |
​!up happens to not support ipv6 |
| 12:22 |
sfan5 |
because i'm lazy |
| 12:27 |
Megaf |
VanessaE: you there? |
| 12:28 |
VanessaE |
no. |
| 12:28 |
VanessaE |
:P |
| 12:28 |
Megaf |
I'm updating my mods now |
| 12:28 |
Megaf |
<ERROR> 2017-12-15 12:27:40: [Server] Item "moretrees:apple_blossoms" not defined at position (31,8,9) |
| 12:28 |
Megaf |
my as in the mods I have in the server |
| 12:28 |
VanessaE |
er |
| 12:28 |
Megaf |
and my apple trees lost their apples |
| 12:28 |
VanessaE |
never seen that error before. |
| 12:28 |
Megaf |
of course not. I'm the best in finding errors |
| 12:29 |
VanessaE |
apparently you never got the memo - my coding ability has been temporarily trashed. |
| 12:29 |
VanessaE |
so...pull request or bust., |
| 12:29 |
tenplus1 |
hi Vanessa |
| 12:29 |
* tenplus1 |
trips on an apple |
| 12:29 |
VanessaE |
hey tenplus1 |
| 12:32 |
Megaf |
hm, I cant find any reference to blossoms in the old moretrees either |
| 12:32 |
Megaf |
tho I found this https://github.com/minetest-mods/moretrees/commit/54458de4617888c5f9552ffe1ebf472819613dbf |
| 12:33 |
VanessaE |
moretrees cooperates with nature_classic in plantlife modpack |
| 12:34 |
Megaf |
do I need this? load_mod_plantlife_i18n = false |
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| 12:35 |
Megaf |
for i18n I undertand as internacionalization |
| 12:36 |
Megaf |
well, enabled that and blossoms are back |
| 12:36 |
Megaf |
problem solved |
| 12:40 |
Megaf |
VanessaE: nevermind, I wasnt loading the mod plantlife. It's all good now |
| 12:40 |
VanessaE |
fail :P |
| 12:40 |
Megaf |
tenplus1: that must be a good apple |
| 12:40 |
Megaf |
ThomasMonroe: greetings |
| 12:40 |
tenplus1 |
:P |
| 12:42 |
ThomasMonroe |
hey Megaf |
| 12:42 |
ThomasMonroe |
hi tenplus1, VanessaE |
| 12:42 |
VanessaE |
hi |
| 12:42 |
Megaf |
!up 5.196.88.227 30003 |
| 12:42 |
MinetestBot |
5.196.88.227:30003 is up (10ms) |
| 12:42 |
Megaf |
Ok, server 60% done |
| 12:43 |
Megaf |
already playable |
| 12:43 |
Megaf |
we have areas, homedecor, plantlife, moretrees, moreblocks and stuff |
| 12:44 |
tenplus1 |
hi thomas |
| 12:46 |
Krock |
Megaf, but why areas |
| 12:46 |
Megaf |
Krock: why not? |
| 12:47 |
Megaf |
Krock: mind you, when I added that mod, it was basically the only protection mod arround |
| 12:47 |
Krock |
ah. thought it was a new server. nevermind then |
| 12:47 |
Megaf |
no, I just bringing my server back online, and to an up to date state |
| 12:48 |
Megaf |
Back from Septemeber 2014 |
| 12:48 |
ThomasMonroe |
o/ Krock would background[] work for the main menu? |
| 12:48 |
Megaf |
But Minetest changed so much in this time frame, its quite tricky to update it |
| 12:48 |
ThomasMonroe |
oh wait nvmd |
| 12:49 |
tenplus1 |
yeah, 0.5 has many new features and changes to deal with |
| 12:49 |
VanessaE |
I won't touch 0.5.x with a 10m stick |
| 12:49 |
Megaf |
I'm bringing it to 0.4 backport for now... |
| 12:49 |
tenplus1 |
ehehehe |
| 12:49 |
tenplus1 |
the player model changes are too big |
| 12:50 |
* Krock |
gives VanessaE a 11m stick |
| 12:53 |
Krock |
VanessaE, would you have a few minutes to remove https://forum.minetest.net/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=22357 entirely? |
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tenplus1 |
hi nathan |
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| 12:56 |
tenplus1 |
hi Jordach |
| 12:57 |
Megaf |
I hate when modders change stuff and forget aliases! |
| 12:57 |
Megaf |
<ERROR> 2017-12-15 12:56:34: [Server] Item "streets:sign_mine" not defined at position (8,10,-25) |
| 13:00 |
Megaf |
tenplus1: https://github.com/minetest-streets/streets/blob/master/streets_signs/init.lua#L140 |
| 13:00 |
Megaf |
shouldnt streets:sing_mine be defined? |
| 13:00 |
Megaf |
<ERROR> 2017-12-15 12:56:34: [Server] Item "streets:sign_mine" not defined at position (8,10,-25) |
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| 13:00 |
VanessaE |
Krock: done. |
| 13:01 |
tenplus1 |
hi thmas |
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ThomasMonroe |
hey tenplus1 |
| 13:02 |
tenplus1 |
hi fussel |
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* Jordach |
bleps |
| 13:03 |
Krock |
thank you, VanessaE. |
| 13:03 |
Megaf |
Thomas-S: You there? |
| 13:03 |
ThomasMonroe |
XD I nearly replied to that |
| 13:04 |
IhrFussel |
Hello tenplus1 and the others ... does the view range of the client affect the block send distance of the server? I mean is it a check per client or will all client receive max_block_send_distance regardless of the view range? |
| 13:04 |
Megaf |
ThomasMonroe: hah, you there? |
| 13:04 |
Megaf |
Thomas-S: I'm getting this <ERROR> 2017-12-15 12:56:34: [Server] Item "streets:sign_mine" not defined at position (8,10,-25) |
| 13:05 |
Krock |
IhrFussel, I believe it takes the minimum of the client and server settings |
| 13:05 |
ThomasMonroe |
?? |
| 13:06 |
Megaf |
ThomasMonroe: ?? what? |
| 13:06 |
ThomasMonroe |
didnt understand your last comment |
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Megaf |
ThomasMonroe: I was to Thomas-S |
| 13:06 |
ThomasMonroe |
[07:04:28] <Megaf> ThomasMonroe: hah, you there? |
| 13:07 |
ThomasMonroe |
that one |
| 13:07 |
Megaf |
ThomasMonroe: ah, so so you can reply to it... |
| 13:07 |
Megaf |
just so* |
| 13:07 |
ThomasMonroe |
oh XD |
| 13:08 |
Thomas-S |
Megaf: I'm here now. |
| 13:08 |
Megaf |
so, missing alias maybe? |
| 13:08 |
Megaf |
or maybe I just have the wrong mod... |
| 13:09 |
Megaf |
no, is the right mod |
| 13:09 |
Megaf |
with missing aliases |
| 13:09 |
Thomas-S |
So, you upgraded from Streets 1.x to 2.0 ? |
| 13:10 |
Megaf |
Thomas-S: maybe. No idea |
| 13:10 |
Megaf |
I was on master from 1 or two years ago |
| 13:10 |
Megaf |
and now did a git pull |
| 13:11 |
Megaf |
Thomas-S: Should I just revert to branch streets-1? |
| 13:11 |
Thomas-S |
Yes, then you did upgrade from 1.x to 2.0. We don't provide full compatiblity between both versions. However, a node called "streets:sign_mine" exists in 2.0, too. |
| 13:12 |
Megaf |
Im just sticking to streets-1 |
| 13:12 |
Thomas-S |
I think that's maybe best for existing worlds. |
| 13:15 |
Megaf |
Thomas-S: streets 1 is broken |
| 13:16 |
Megaf |
2017-12-15 13:15:30: ERROR[Main]: /home/minetest/MegafServer/BinMegafServer/bin/../mods/streets/streetsmod/libs/smartfs/smartfs.lua: No such file or directory |
| 13:16 |
Thomas-S |
Megaf: Is this world public? |
| 13:16 |
Megaf |
yep |
| 13:16 |
Megaf |
its a 5 years old world |
| 13:16 |
Megaf |
I can just keep using the old version of streets I have, I just thought it would be a good idea updating it |
| 13:16 |
Thomas-S |
Could you maybe try the new version again, and I then come online to see the error? |
| 13:16 |
Megaf |
I see I'm mistaken |
| 13:17 |
Thomas-S |
Streets 2.0 has many improvements, but it will very likely cause a few unkown nodes. |
| 13:17 |
Megaf |
Thomas-S: the new version will not do. since theres no aliases. We made heavy use of streets in the server |
| 13:17 |
Thomas-S |
I could try to add the according aliases as needed. |
| 13:17 |
Megaf |
I dont want our strcutures to become unknown nodes |
| 13:19 |
Megaf |
cp -r ../mods.bkp/streets ../mods/ |
| 13:19 |
Megaf |
problem solved |
| 13:19 |
Thomas-S |
Good :) |
| 13:23 |
Megaf |
2017-12-15 13:23:23: ERROR[Main]: /home/minetest/MegafServer/BinMegafServer/bin/../mods/castle/ropes/init.lua: No such file or directory |
| 13:23 |
Megaf |
castle is broken too |
| 13:24 |
Megaf |
ah |
| 13:24 |
Megaf |
git recursive for that repo |
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| 13:25 |
shivajiva |
Megaf: pong |
| 13:25 |
Megaf |
shivajiva: I had no idea what I wanted |
| 13:25 |
Megaf |
maybe something about your mods |
| 13:25 |
shivajiva |
np :) |
| 13:26 |
Megaf |
it was something positive anyway |
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| 13:28 |
Megaf |
is chepie alive? |
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| 13:29 |
Megaf |
<ERROR> 2017-12-15 13:27:25: [Server] Item "plasticbox:slab_plasticbox_grey_1" not defined at position (-38,17,-23) |
| 13:29 |
Megaf |
<ERROR> 2017-12-15 13:27:32: [Server] Item "plasticbox:slab_plasticbox_grey_1" not defined at position (-37,17,-21) |
| 13:29 |
Megaf |
I dont know how to fix that ^ |
| 13:29 |
Megaf |
I think its a plastic box that was cut with the circular saw |
| 13:29 |
Megaf |
Calinou: ^ |
| 13:29 |
Megaf |
but now after updates its not working anymore |
| 13:33 |
Megaf |
!seen asie |
| 13:33 |
MinetestBot |
Megaf: asie was last seen at 2017-10-03 23:44:10 UTC on #minetest |
| 13:43 |
RobbieF |
Good morning |
| 13:43 |
Mr_Pardison |
Morning RobbieF |
| 13:43 |
Megaf |
<ERROR> 2017-12-15 13:42:01: [Server] Item "farming:tomato_8" not defined at position (23,15,-115) |
| 13:43 |
Megaf |
<ERROR> 2017-12-15 13:42:09: [Server] Item "farming:pumpkin" not defined at position (-6,12,-107) |
| 13:43 |
Megaf |
<ERROR> 2017-12-15 13:42:11: [Server] Item "farming:jackolantern" not defined at position (-2,16,-113) |
| 13:43 |
ThomasMonroe |
Morning RobbieF |
| 13:43 |
Megaf |
so much stuff to fix... |
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| 13:44 |
VanessaE |
Megaf: cheapie never extended hardware coloring beyond just the basic block. |
| 13:48 |
Krock |
!up 5.196.88.227 30003 |
| 13:48 |
MinetestBot |
5.196.88.227:30003 seems to be down |
| 13:51 |
Megaf |
nice mod https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=17881 |
| 13:51 |
Megaf |
Krock: down indeed, another wave of mod updates now |
| 13:54 |
Megaf |
!up 5.196.88.227 30003 |
| 13:54 |
MinetestBot |
5.196.88.227:30003 seems to be down |
| 13:54 |
Megaf |
Krock: ^ |
| 13:54 |
Megaf |
what? |
| 13:54 |
Megaf |
2017-12-15 13:53:51: WARNING[Main]: Undeclared global variable "description3" accessed at ...afServer/BinMegafServer/bin/../mods/nixie_tubes/init.lua:147 |
| 13:54 |
jas_ |
no colon |
| 13:54 |
Megaf |
lots of mods seem to have that |
| 13:54 |
jas_ |
oh nevermind there's not one already my eye |
| 13:54 |
Krock |
they already had that before, Megaf. It simply wasn't reported with older verions |
| 13:54 |
Krock |
*versions |
| 13:55 |
Megaf |
on the contrary, the old version of castle work, the current shows that error |
| 13:55 |
Megaf |
!up 5.196.88.227 30003 |
| 13:55 |
MinetestBot |
5.196.88.227:30003 is up (11ms) |
| 13:55 |
Megaf |
anyway ^ |
| 13:55 |
Megaf |
it will take a long while to download all media tho |
| 13:55 |
Krock |
"WARNING[Main]:" " the current shows that error" |
| 13:56 |
Krock |
warnings are not errors. you can ignore them |
| 13:56 |
Mr_Pardison |
not always. |
| 13:56 |
Megaf |
13:23 <Megaf> 2017-12-15 13:23:23: ERROR[Main]: /home/minetest/MegafServer/BinMegafServer/bin/../mods/castle/ropes/init.lua: No such file or directory |
| 13:56 |
Megaf |
13:23 <Megaf> castle is broken too |
| 14:10 |
benrob0329 |
Megaf: ERROR[Main] |
| 14:10 |
Megaf |
so? |
| 14:11 |
benrob0329 |
Its an error, not a warning..or did you mean something else? |
| 14:12 |
Megaf |
I never said it was warning |
| 14:12 |
Megaf |
I said the mod is broken, castle mod |
| 14:13 |
benrob0329 |
Megaf: git submodule --init update |
| 14:13 |
benrob0329 |
I think |
| 14:21 |
* Jordach |
wishes quassel could organise channels |
| 14:22 |
Jordach |
just literally discords fancy interface |
| 14:22 |
Jordach |
with an IRC backend |
| 14:22 |
Megaf |
nothing like getting your server hacked by a minetest dev using CSM |
| 14:22 |
Jordach |
kerk |
| 14:22 |
Jordach |
protect your shit |
| 14:22 |
Jordach |
i stepped through everything with sofar |
| 14:23 |
jas_ |
who's kerk? |
| 14:23 |
Jordach |
i meant kek |
| 14:23 |
jas_ |
ooh right alright then that makes sense |
| 14:23 |
Jordach |
red-001, i didn't realise the channel lmao |
| 14:24 |
Mr_Pardison |
kerk is captain kerk of the USSR vessel Communism. |
| 14:24 |
Jordach |
usually i'm just on -hub |
| 14:24 |
Megaf |
VanessaE: vines, I dislike them |
| 14:24 |
Megaf |
very much |
| 14:24 |
Megaf |
they look good, but they grow everywhere |
| 14:24 |
Megaf |
no stop |
| 14:24 |
jas_ |
i type into -dev all the time without looking! (that's why i'm not there haha) |
| 14:24 |
red-001 |
#minetest-reverse_furrie |
| 14:24 |
Jordach |
uwot |
| 14:25 |
jas_ |
you can probably slow them down, megaf |
| 14:26 |
VanessaE |
Megaf: so disable the vines mod or yell at bas080 to curtail their growth |
| 14:26 |
jas_ |
maybe by adjusting an abm interval, if they're using those i mean |
| 14:26 |
red-001 |
Megaf, what happened? |
| 14:26 |
Megaf |
red-001: so many things. why you ask? |
| 14:27 |
VanessaE |
bbl |
| 14:27 |
red-001 |
you seem to be having issue with a lot of mods, so I though I would ask |
| 14:27 |
jas_ |
is it from upgrading, megaf? |
| 14:27 |
Megaf |
red-001: two mods didnt want to load init.lua |
| 14:28 |
Megaf |
castles and something else |
| 14:28 |
Megaf |
but castle it was just a git recursive to fix stuff |
| 14:28 |
jas_ |
was it in the folder? if it's a submodule, i mean, it's possible it wasn't there |
| 14:32 |
Megaf |
eh, it was not an important mod |
| 14:32 |
Megaf |
I just wanted to try it out |
| 14:33 |
jas_ |
maybe download it manually, or git clone the submodule's url. |
| 14:33 |
Megaf |
2017-12-15 14:33:31: ERROR[Main]: [C]: in function 'error' |
| 14:33 |
Megaf |
2017-12-15 14:33:31: ERROR[Main]: .../bin/../mods/Minetest-WorldEdit/worldedit_brush/init.lua:2: in main chunk |
| 14:33 |
Megaf |
that even even enabled in world.mt |
| 14:34 |
Megaf |
red-001: jas_ ^ |
| 14:34 |
jas_ |
oh wow |
| 14:34 |
Megaf |
Im having lots of mods problems because Im enabling lots of mods |
| 14:34 |
Megaf |
updating |
| 14:34 |
Megaf |
oh, it is enabled |
| 14:34 |
jas_ |
you know it's bad when you can't even get to line 3 |
| 14:34 |
Megaf |
disabled it now, works |
| 14:34 |
Mr_Pardison |
>.> |
| 14:35 |
Megaf |
jas_: hah |
| 14:36 |
Megaf |
oh yeah, so much better now with darkage re installed |
| 14:36 |
Megaf |
!up 5.196.88.227 30003 |
| 14:36 |
MinetestBot |
5.196.88.227:30003 is up (11ms) |
| 14:36 |
jas_ |
!server dcbl |
| 14:36 |
MinetestBot |
jas_: dcbl | dcbl.duckdns.org | Clients: 0/20, 0/1 | Version: 0.5.0-dev / dcbl | Ping: 116ms |
| 14:36 |
Megaf |
I will leave the server running now for the next couple of hours |
| 14:36 |
jas_ |
wow when did that get adde |
| 14:36 |
Krock |
!server abcd |
| 14:36 |
MinetestBot |
Krock: No results |
| 14:36 |
Megaf |
its not public yet |
| 14:36 |
jas_ |
no the bot, i thought that was just #minetest, sweet |
| 14:37 |
jas_ |
i'm on that server, i guess it takes a minute to show up |
| 14:37 |
Megaf |
cya |
| 14:37 |
jas_ |
bbfn |
| 14:37 |
CWz |
this is all the error gives me: https://pastebin.com/EtXWSVCq anyone experienced this? using 0.4.16 |
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| 14:38 |
jas_ |
those are some pretty big numbers, eh? |
| 14:38 |
jas_ |
(i dunno, is that right?) |
| 14:38 |
jas_ |
haven't seen that error before |
| 14:51 |
Krock |
CWz, yes. some mod of yours divides 1 by 0 |
| 14:54 |
CWz |
i wonder which one |
| 14:54 |
Krock |
or it performs a arcsin operation on a value like 2 or -1.4 |
| 14:55 |
Krock |
however, many mathematical functions (even math.sqrt) can return nan |
| 14:55 |
CWz |
could it be the sethome mod that comes with 0.4.16 |
| 14:56 |
CWz |
i have a feeling i will need to set a debug build |
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| 14:59 |
shivajiva |
had a few of those errors, resulted in me checking vectors for validity in a couple of mods to stop the crash |
| 14:59 |
shivajiva |
areas was one |
| 15:04 |
CWz |
hmm |
| 15:04 |
CWz |
was this bug patched? |
| 15:08 |
shivajiva |
I never made a pr, I think everyone suffering the error just patched it out in the mods that caused crashes. Don't know where it went from there. Seemed core related though as it happened around 0.4.15 |
| 15:10 |
shivajiva |
I remember adding the vector check to teleport on skyblocks |
| 15:10 |
shivajiva |
I think one case had been left unchecked |
| 15:14 |
benrob0329 |
I never paid much attention to Aliveai before, but it's actually really cool |
| 15:15 |
shivajiva |
I went through all the mods I was using and patched for nil and NaN checks, it left me with the ubiquitous Lua OOM error once in a blue moon |
| 15:15 |
shivajiva |
but it was the only error I caouldn't really trace |
| 15:16 |
shivajiva |
-a |
| 15:17 |
shivajiva |
I mean how does it produce a OOM within a minute of a restart for a couple of cycles and then stop and behave for a month |
| 15:17 |
shivajiva |
it just made no sense |
| 15:18 |
benrob0329 |
Technology, amiright |
| 15:20 |
Mr_Pardison |
you might be right. |
| 15:21 |
* Mr_Pardison |
is listening to Astrophysics for People in a Hurry by Neil deGrasse Tyson |
| 15:21 |
IhrFussel |
CWz, That error mainly happens in mods that use a position ... easy fix is to check if pos.x < -31000 or pos.x > 31000 then return end |
| 15:22 |
IhrFussel |
I never saw that error again in months after I added that check to all my mods |
| 15:22 |
CWz |
what check? |
| 15:22 |
IhrFussel |
"if pos.x < -31000 or pos.x > 31000 then return end" |
| 15:23 |
CWz |
hmm i wonder why the mod started acting out now |
| 15:24 |
IhrFussel |
Look for a variable that gets assigned get_pos() and check for variable.x < -31000/> 31000 |
| 15:24 |
IhrFussel |
The error is random, happens very rarily but it was enough for me to prevent the crashes |
| 15:38 |
CWz |
if it is the areas mod that i suspect foul play on my server. |
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| 15:57 |
shivajiva |
better to check all axis, as it does seem to occur on different axis |
| 15:58 |
shivajiva |
I've seen it on x and z, not sure about y though |
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| 16:02 |
shivajiva |
I added the check to function areas:getAreasAtPos(pos) |
| 16:02 |
paramat |
~tell Raven262 your screenshot shows a dungeon that has 'overgenerated' over a mapchunk border into a neighbouring already-generated mapchunk, so part of the tree was changed to cooble. in mapgen decorations are indeed placed after dungeongen |
| 16:02 |
paramat |
hm no tell |
| 16:03 |
shivajiva |
don't you need ! at the start? |
| 16:07 |
paramat |
maybe, i thought they were the same, perhaps not |
| 16:08 |
Krock |
they're only the same if there's ShadowBot |
| 16:08 |
Krock |
you'll need ! for MTB here |
| 16:08 |
paramat |
ok thanks |
| 16:08 |
paramat |
!tell Raven262 your screenshot shows a dungeon that has 'overgenerated' over a mapchunk border into a neighbouring already-generated mapchunk, so part of the tree was changed to cooble. in mapgen decorations are indeed placed after dungeongen |
| 16:08 |
MinetestBot |
paramat: I'll pass that on when Raven262 is around |
| 16:09 |
ThomasMonroe |
paramat, does Travis failing affect a PR gettng merged? |
| 16:09 |
paramat |
not necessarily |
| 16:10 |
ThomasMonroe |
lol ok, because Travis couldn't install a dep during checking my PR |
| 16:11 |
paramat |
no problem, we ignore if Travis's fault |
| 16:11 |
ThomasMonroe |
kk thanks |
| 16:24 |
FourFire |
I'm trying to execute several commands inside minetest.register_on_shutdown() |
| 16:24 |
FourFire |
How do i do that? |
| 16:24 |
Krock |
minetest.register_on_shutdown(function() cmd1() cmd2() end) |
| 16:26 |
Krock |
if these are chat commands, replace cmd1(), cmd2() with minetest.registered_chatcommands["status"].func(name, param) or any other command name you would like to execute |
| 16:35 |
Krock |
!next |
| 16:35 |
MinetestBot |
Another satisfied customer. Next! |
| 16:35 |
Mr-Pardison |
lol |
| 16:43 |
Megaf |
back |
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| 16:45 |
benrob0329 |
Megaf: wb |
| 16:45 |
Megaf |
Thanks |
| 16:45 |
benrob0329 |
The concept for this Lets Play has changed like 10 times |
| 16:46 |
benrob0329 |
First it was going to be western, but since the people I'm doing it with are doing another series (the other game) in western it was changed to steampunk |
| 16:46 |
jas_ |
paramat: yes, i misunderstood all over the place. thank you lol : ) |
| 16:47 |
benrob0329 |
But steampunk was going to be way too much work, so it was changed to a subgame, then another, and so on |
| 16:47 |
benrob0329 |
Now its the Mars survival mod and aliveai |
| 16:47 |
paramat |
no problem =) |
| 16:49 |
Megaf |
wheres tenplus1? |
| 16:49 |
Megaf |
He is not spending much time with us anymore |
| 16:50 |
benrob0329 |
It is close to the holidays |
| 16:51 |
IhrFussel |
CWz, The areas mod is exactly one case where I added the check |
| 16:59 |
Krock |
IhrFussel, why don't you use a log() call before returning? that would help a lot to find out what mods produce that garbage |
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| 17:19 |
IhrFussel |
Krock, get_pos() causes that garbage |
| 17:19 |
IhrFussel |
There is nothing the mods do to get_pos() They simply try to fetch the player pos and at random times the pos seems to return the extreme number |
| 17:20 |
IhrFussel |
It mostly happened to areas, vehicle mods, nether on my server |
| 17:21 |
Krock |
or caused by set_pos() with wrong values |
| 17:22 |
Krock |
which doesn't check against nan values |
| 17:22 |
IhrFussel |
But mods cannot overwrite set_pos() to be something non-existent...or can they? |
| 17:27 |
Krock |
they can feed it with wrong values |
| 17:31 |
IhrFussel |
What? That'e the engine's responsibility IMO to validate pos by mods |
| 17:31 |
IhrFussel |
That's* |
| 17:31 |
IhrFussel |
Or at least builtin should handle it |
| 17:36 |
Krock |
builtin can't do much against that. we need 1) Lua backtraces in this case (we have a pending PR for that) and 2) nan checks |
| 17:36 |
Megaf |
Thomas-S: I granted you interact... |
| 17:40 |
RobbieF |
Hey gang... A little something from our studio to YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5M7sFGoDmU |
| 17:40 |
Thomas-S |
Thanks! |
| 17:41 |
paramat |
*sigh* |
| 17:42 |
benrob0329 |
Does anyone else feel like we need one or troops very configurable mapgens, rather than 5 semi-configurable mapgens? |
| 17:43 |
Megaf |
now darkage decided to not work anymore |
| 17:43 |
Megaf |
it was working |
| 17:43 |
Krock |
RobbieF, |
| 17:43 |
Megaf |
then I added unified inventory |
| 17:43 |
Megaf |
and now darkage is crashing |
| 17:43 |
RobbieF |
Hey Krock |
| 17:43 |
Krock |
are you just the cameraman or acting there? |
| 17:43 |
Krock |
hello :) |
| 17:43 |
RobbieF |
I'm the "hyperactive" one in the middle :p |
| 17:44 |
Megaf |
http://paste.debian.net/1000890/ <- help? |
| 17:44 |
RobbieF |
aka DOME |
| 17:44 |
Krock |
oh nice |
| 17:44 |
RobbieF |
:D |
| 17:45 |
Krock |
oh well, IDE is a very wrong term for the PATA drives |
| 17:45 |
Krock |
Megaf, get stairsplus? |
| 17:45 |
RobbieF |
:p |
| 17:45 |
Krock |
!mod stairsplus |
| 17:45 |
MinetestBot |
Krock: circular saw for easier handling of stairsplus-nodes by Sokomine - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=4377 |
| 17:45 |
RobbieF |
I still think it was a good example LOL |
| 17:45 |
Megaf |
Krock: why was it working before? |
| 17:46 |
Krock |
Megaf, hidden bugs that pop up on runtime execution: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=6140 |
| 17:49 |
* benrob0329 |
is restraining his comments to avoid making the watershed PR a flame war |
| 17:49 |
Megaf |
Krock: still crashing with circularsaw installed |
| 17:49 |
Megaf |
and inst circular saw included in moreblocks? |
| 17:49 |
shivajiva |
yup |
| 17:50 |
Krock |
stairsplus can also be found in moreblocks, yes. |
| 17:50 |
paramat |
now another physical threat https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/6778 |
| 17:50 |
Krock |
or you could try to fix darkage manually as it seems to be not working correctly |
| 17:51 |
Krock |
paramat, psychical threat, not physical. |
| 17:51 |
Krock |
they won't throw rotten eggs at you :P |
| 17:52 |
Megaf |
Krock: tenplus1s farming mod is causing darkage to crash |
| 17:53 |
benrob0329 |
Megaf: did you update it? |
| 17:53 |
benrob0329 |
(Yet) |
| 17:53 |
Megaf |
benrob0329: everything is fresh |
| 17:53 |
Krock |
Megaf, how's that possible? sauce please |
| 17:53 |
Megaf |
Krock: you are the dev |
| 17:54 |
Krock |
Krock, I mean. what darkage mod are you using? there are three of them |
| 17:54 |
Krock |
(at least) |
| 17:55 |
Megaf |
and tenplusone carts mod is also crashing the server |
| 17:55 |
Krock |
s/Krock/Megaf/ |
| 17:55 |
Megaf |
http://paste.debian.net/1000892/ |
| 17:55 |
Megaf |
his mods used to be quite good... |
| 17:55 |
Megaf |
or minetest is so bad now that even good mods crash |
| 17:55 |
Krock |
typo from old boost_cart code. replace mesecon with mesecons. |
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| 17:56 |
Krock |
or remove the detector |
| 17:56 |
Megaf |
ok, typo was easy to fix.. |
| 17:57 |
Megaf |
still crashing |
| 17:57 |
Krock |
nvm, wrong advice. Replacing it won't solve the problem. |
| 17:58 |
Krock |
Megaf, huh? in 10+1's version that file is never included |
| 17:58 |
Krock |
unless you have the mod "mesecons" enabled in your world |
| 17:59 |
Megaf |
http://paste.debian.net/1000894/ |
| 17:59 |
Megaf |
Krock: mods ^ |
| 17:59 |
Krock |
ah. there we go. missing optional dependency for "mesecons": https://github.com/tenplus1/carts/blob/master/depends.txt |
| 17:59 |
paramat |
heh |
| 17:59 |
Megaf |
will remove circularsaw |
| 18:00 |
paramat |
note pilino1234 is now my new harasser, it's not so obvious to others yet |
| 18:00 |
Krock |
minetest.get_modpath returns a non-nil value because the mod is going to be loaded but AFTER carts, as it's not found as a dependency there |
| 18:01 |
Megaf |
so? |
| 18:01 |
Krock |
Megaf, add mesecons to carts/depends.txt |
| 18:02 |
Krock |
paramat, perhaps the map generator needs a bit tweaking. they seem to be disappointed of the current version - nevertheless it's still WIP |
| 18:02 |
paramat |
lol |
| 18:02 |
Mr_Pardison |
afk lunch |
| 18:03 |
Megaf |
the only modder whos mods I have never had ANY problem with is Sokomine |
| 18:03 |
Megaf |
And I have lots of mods from her |
| 18:03 |
Krock |
Megaf, install boost_cart. It'll (hopefully) work :P |
| 18:04 |
Megaf |
Krock: I undid the typos fix and added mesecons to depends, it worked |
| 18:04 |
Krock |
now back to the darkage stuff. what version (and from where) did you clone it? |
| 18:06 |
Megaf |
2017-12-15 18:06:07: WARNING[Main]: Undeclared global variable "screwdriver" accessed at ...egafServer/BinMegafServer/bin/../mods/workbench/init.lua:3 |
| 18:06 |
Megaf |
2017-12-15 18:06:08: WARNING[Main]: Undeclared global variable "stairsplus" accessed at ...egafServer/BinMegafServer/bin/../mods/darkage/stairs.lua:3 |
| 18:07 |
Megaf |
could this be causing it to crash? |
| 18:07 |
Megaf |
I dont have screwdriver |
| 18:07 |
Krock |
no. it's not an error. yet. |
| 18:07 |
Megaf |
http://paste.debian.net/1000895/ |
| 18:08 |
Megaf |
that only happens when I enable farming from tenplus1 |
| 18:09 |
Thomas-S |
I think I had a similiar case once when there was a "circle" of mod dependencies. |
| 18:11 |
Megaf |
Krock: which darkage mod should I use? |
| 18:11 |
Megaf |
I will just restore the old version I had... |
| 18:12 |
Megaf |
minetest Platinum:~/MegafServer/mods$ cp -R ../mods.bkp/darkage . |
| 18:12 |
Krock |
the most recent I guess.. no clue. Restore if it works. |
| 18:12 |
Megaf |
that fixed it ^ |
| 18:13 |
Megaf |
ok, gotta get nether to work now |
| 18:14 |
Megaf |
2017-12-15 18:12:18: ERROR[Main]: mod "nether" has unsatisfied dependencies: "vector_extras" "glow" "riesenpilz" |
| 18:14 |
Megaf |
2017-12-15 18:12:18: ERROR[Main]: mod "throwing_arrows" has unsatisfied dependencies: "throwing" |
| 18:14 |
Megaf |
Just leaving that here for reference |
| 18:15 |
Megaf |
where to I guet the mod vector_extras from? |
| 18:16 |
Krock |
!mod vector_extras |
| 18:16 |
MinetestBot |
Krock: More vector helpers [vector_extras] by Hybrid Dog - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=8533 |
| 18:16 |
Krock |
^ Megaf, MTB is your friend |
| 18:17 |
Megaf |
I was in that forum topic already, totally missed the github link... |
| 18:17 |
Megaf |
!mod throwing |
| 18:17 |
MinetestBot |
Megaf: Throwing, PilzAdam version [throwing] by PilzAdam - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=2805 |
| 18:20 |
Megaf |
And how can I fix this? http://paste.debian.net/plain/1000898 |
| 18:20 |
Megaf |
just restore my old nether mod too? |
| 18:21 |
Megaf |
interesting, my old mod was called minetest-nether |
| 18:21 |
Megaf |
not netherpack |
| 18:21 |
Megaf |
!mod minetest-nether |
| 18:21 |
MinetestBot |
Megaf: Could not find anything. |
| 18:22 |
Megaf |
!mod nether |
| 18:22 |
MinetestBot |
Megaf: Nether [nether] by PilzAdam - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=5790 |
| 18:22 |
benrob0329 |
Megaf: try paramat's nether |
| 18:24 |
Megaf |
From https://github.com/HybridDog/minetest-nether |
| 18:24 |
Megaf |
that is the good one ^ |
| 18:25 |
Megaf |
but it too crashes in current minetest 0.4 |
| 18:26 |
benrob0329 |
Megaf: did you enable the whole mudpack? |
| 18:27 |
benrob0329 |
*modpack |
| 18:27 |
jas_ |
mm muds |
| 18:27 |
Megaf |
theres only nether in the pack |
| 18:28 |
Krock |
mudpack++ |
| 18:28 |
Megaf |
2017-12-15 18:28:07: ERROR[Main]: ...MegafServer/bin/../mods/minetest-nether/nether/guide.lua:320: bad argument #1 to 'ipairs' (table expected, got string) |
| 18:28 |
Megaf |
2017-12-15 18:28:07: ERROR[Main]: stack traceback: |
| 18:28 |
Megaf |
Who is HybridDog on IRC> |
| 18:28 |
Megaf |
> |
| 18:28 |
Megaf |
? |
| 18:28 |
Krock |
w_laenger |
| 18:28 |
Megaf |
!seen w_laenger |
| 18:28 |
MinetestBot |
Megaf: w_laenger was last seen at 2017-11-12 09:18:58 UTC on #minetest |
| 18:29 |
Megaf |
!tell w_laenger Nether is broken in latest minetest backport-0.4 |
| 18:29 |
MinetestBot |
Megaf: I'll pass that on when w_laenger is around |
| 18:29 |
Megaf |
!tell w_laenger guide.lua:320: bad argument #1 to 'ipairs' (table expected, got string |
| 18:29 |
MinetestBot |
Megaf: I'll pass that on when w_laenger is around |
| 18:29 |
Krock |
Megaf, change https://github.com/HybridDog/nether-pack/blob/master/nether/guide.lua#L318 to local tab = minetest.wrap_text(content, guide_size.fx, true) |
| 18:29 |
Krock |
(additional true argument) |
| 18:30 |
Krock |
that fixes the issue for you |
| 18:31 |
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| 18:31 |
Megaf |
ok, now next mod to be fixed is throwing |
| 18:31 |
Krock |
o/ IhrFussel |
| 18:32 |
Megaf |
2017-12-15 18:31:35: ERROR[Main]: ...rver/BinMegafServer/bin/../mods/throwing_arrows/init.lua:1: attempt to index global 'throwing' (a nil value) |
| 18:32 |
Megaf |
2017-12-15 18:31:35: ERROR[Main]: stack traceback: |
| 18:33 |
paramat |
i don't have a nether mod, the one i worked on is PilzAdam's repo, i recommend that |
| 18:33 |
Megaf |
I will just not use the throwing |
| 18:33 |
Krock |
throwing_arrows? rename to "throwing", I guess |
| 18:34 |
Krock |
can't find any mod called throwing_arrows |
| 18:34 |
Megaf |
throwing_arrows depend on throwing |
| 18:34 |
Megaf |
Ok, server is up |
| 18:34 |
Megaf |
lets join and see whats broken still |
| 18:34 |
benrob0329 |
Megaf: are both enabled, and depend done right? |
| 18:35 |
benrob0329 |
*deps |
| 18:35 |
Megaf |
benrob0329: yep |
| 18:35 |
Krock |
Megaf, I guess it requires this throwing version: https://github.com/minetest-mods/throwing |
| 18:36 |
Megaf |
Thanks, will try soon, Joining the server now to see if Nether and other stuff sis working |
| 18:36 |
Megaf |
s/sis/is |
| 18:36 |
Megaf |
^ <- x) |
| 18:36 |
Megaf |
!up 5.196.88.227 30003 |
| 18:36 |
MinetestBot |
5.196.88.227:30003 is up (11ms) |
| 18:36 |
Krock |
!next |
| 18:36 |
MinetestBot |
Another satisfied customer. Next! |
| 18:37 |
Megaf |
spawn looks good |
| 18:37 |
IhrFussel |
Stupid internet not stable today |
| 18:40 |
Megaf |
Shara: you still in nether aye? |
| 18:42 |
Megaf |
<ERROR> 2017-12-15 18:42:39: [Server] Map::setNode(): Not allowing to place CONTENT_IGNORE while trying to replace "coloredwood:fence_white" at (15,3,485) (block (0,0,30)) |
| 18:42 |
Megaf |
Krock: whats that |
| 18:43 |
Krock |
that's a set_node() call with a node name that is unknown |
| 18:43 |
Thomas-S |
It seems like all coloredwood fences are unkown nodes on your server |
| 18:46 |
Megaf |
ok, will just restore from the old version then |
| 18:46 |
Megaf |
firefox eating my memory |
| 18:46 |
Megaf |
hm, no, something else |
| 18:49 |
Megaf |
I had a billion of qemu threads open by libvirt... |
| 18:50 |
Megaf |
dont use libvirt |
| 18:55 |
Megaf |
VanessaE: moretrees still crashing my server |
| 18:55 |
Megaf |
xP |
| 18:56 |
Megaf |
wil pastebin, hold on |
| 18:56 |
Megaf |
Thomas-S: crashed |
| 18:56 |
Thomas-S |
I noticed :) |
| 18:56 |
Megaf |
Krock: http://paste.debian.net/plain/1000903 |
| 18:56 |
Megaf |
VanessaE: ^ |
| 18:57 |
sofar |
missing dependency/mod incompatibility |
| 18:58 |
sofar |
but, that's not the crash |
| 18:58 |
Krock |
no, the error is raised for excessive node finding use |
| 18:58 |
sofar |
the palm code is just dumb |
| 18:58 |
sofar |
yeah |
| 18:59 |
Megaf |
Thomas-S: server up with new streets |
| 18:59 |
sofar |
Megaf: is that vanilla/stock moretrees? |
| 18:59 |
Megaf |
sofar: from minetest-mods, yes |
| 18:59 |
sofar |
we should patch minetest-mods/moretrees to resolve that |
| 18:59 |
Krock |
I imagine that takes quite a while to execute that function, so optimizing doesn't only eliminate the error, but also makes the execution faster |
| 19:00 |
sofar |
will look in a sec |
| 19:00 |
Krock |
there should be heightmaps available for most of the mapgens (if not all) |
| 19:00 |
sofar |
that's what she said |
| 19:01 |
Megaf |
2017-12-15 18:58:49: ERROR[Main]: The following mods could not be found: "asphalt" "asphaltstairs" "concretestairs" "constructionarea" "delineator" "emergencyphone" "labels" "manholes" "roadsigns" "roadworks" "steelsupport" "streetlamps" "streetsawards" "streetsconcrete" "streetshotfix" " |
| 19:01 |
Megaf |
2017-12-15 18:58:49: ERROR[Main]: treetsmod" "streetspoles" "trafficlight" |
| 19:01 |
Megaf |
Thomas-S: |
| 19:01 |
Megaf |
I did git pull from old streets |
| 19:01 |
Megaf |
maybe I need a fresh git clone instead |
| 19:02 |
Thomas-S |
Please disable all those mods and only enable a mod called "streets" |
| 19:02 |
Megaf |
oh boy |
| 19:03 |
Thomas-S |
A git clone won't help, world.mt needs to be modified. :) |
| 19:04 |
Megaf |
!mod ts_workshop |
| 19:04 |
MinetestBot |
Megaf: Could not find anything. |
| 19:04 |
Megaf |
Thomas-S: I need that |
| 19:04 |
Thomas-S |
https://github.com/minetest-mods/ts_workshop |
| 19:04 |
Megaf |
2017-12-15 19:03:36: ERROR[Main]: mod "castle_gates" has unsatisfied dependencies: "castle_masonry" |
| 19:04 |
Megaf |
and what? |
| 19:05 |
Megaf |
is that part of streets? |
| 19:05 |
sofar |
I don't like how some of those mods are a virtual maze of dependencies |
| 19:05 |
Krock |
just enable the entire modpack.. that solves it |
| 19:05 |
* Jordach |
wihistles without the baggage of Minetest Game |
| 19:05 |
Thomas-S |
The ts_workshop mod is a library for workshop nodes like they are used in streets mod and ts_doors mod. |
| 19:07 |
Krock |
Thomas-S, you could reduce the ts_workshop init.lua file size by 960 bytes by replacing ts_workshop[mod][name] with a local table reference called "ws" or similar |
| 19:08 |
* sofar |
smacks Krock with sed |
| 19:08 |
Krock |
sofar, won't work entirely as two lines must stay as-is |
| 19:08 |
Thomas-S |
Thanks, Krock (and sofar), for your suggestion. I'll do this soon. |
| 19:12 |
Megaf |
2017-12-15 19:11:32: ERROR[Main]: ModError: Failed to load and run script from /home/minetest/MegafServer/BinMegafServer/bin/../mods/streets/init.lua: |
| 19:12 |
Megaf |
2017-12-15 19:11:32: ERROR[Main]: Number of registerable nodes (32768) exceeded (streets:sign_us_merge_newlane_center) |
| 19:12 |
Megaf |
Thomas-S: ^ |
| 19:12 |
Krock |
something important that Minetest hasn't got yet is a mod that gives particular items in a fixed interval, so players can PvP by building towers and fight for their team |
| 19:12 |
Thomas-S |
streets.only_basic_stairsplus=true in minetest.conf helps. |
| 19:12 |
Thomas-S |
I'll make this the default soon |
| 19:12 |
Megaf |
Krock: currency gives money at interval |
| 19:13 |
Krock |
Megaf, but then you need an economy to buy items - which is pretty hard for a small team PvP map |
| 19:14 |
Megaf |
Thomas-S: streets/minetest.conf? Can I add streets.only_basic_stairsplus=true to mod.conf ? |
| 19:14 |
Krock |
or admin shops which have infinite items. not quite handy when it comes to fast reacting |
| 19:14 |
Megaf |
I dont want to add stuff to my minetest.conf from mods |
| 19:15 |
Thomas-S |
As far as I know, such lines can only be placed in the global minetest.conf. If someone else knows more, please inform us. |
| 19:15 |
Krock |
also works in the subgame's minetest.conf |
| 19:16 |
Megaf |
!up 5.196.88.227 30003 |
| 19:16 |
MinetestBot |
5.196.88.227:30003 is up (10ms) |
| 19:16 |
Jordach |
!up jordach.net |
| 19:16 |
MinetestBot |
jordach.net:30000 is up (11ms) |
| 19:16 |
Jordach |
jej |
| 19:17 |
Jordach |
fun fact, that's in paris |
| 19:17 |
Megaf |
my server is in France too |
| 19:17 |
Megaf |
maybe Paris |
| 19:18 |
Megaf |
My server started its life in Brazil, then in a couple of cities in USA, the longest was Atlanta. Then I moved it to Frankfurt and then London, where it was until last month |
| 19:18 |
Megaf |
basically 2 years in Atlanta and 2 in London |
| 19:19 |
sofar |
ok, gonna peek at moretrees for a sec |
| 19:20 |
Krock |
Megaf, just ensure that you know where it is, to not let this happen: http://bash.org/?5273 :P |
| 19:20 |
sofar |
155 mods in minetest-mods, nice |
| 19:21 |
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| 19:21 |
Megaf |
Krock: that happened to me once |
| 19:22 |
Megaf |
19:22 [NickServ] Information on Erno (account Erno): |
| 19:22 |
Megaf |
19:22 [NickServ] Last seen : Jan 18 20:34:46 2016 (1y 47w 2d ago) |
| 19:25 |
Megaf |
theres one thread in my server that is often at 100% |
| 19:25 |
Megaf |
any way I can trace whats causing that? |
| 19:25 |
sofar |
mod_profiling? |
| 19:25 |
sofar |
but, hard to get working right |
| 19:27 |
Megaf |
how I wish we had more threads in MT |
| 19:27 |
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| 19:29 |
Megaf |
where vines come from again? |
| 19:29 |
Megaf |
plantlife? |
| 19:30 |
Krock |
grep -r "vine" |
| 19:30 |
Megaf |
found it |
| 19:30 |
Megaf |
it is plantlife |
| 19:30 |
Megaf |
I dont remember how to stop them from spawning |
| 19:30 |
Megaf |
im sure rm -rf vines will work |
| 19:31 |
Krock |
sudo rm -rf /* will do it |
| 19:33 |
Megaf |
ok, vines removed, darkage mapgen is disabled, bees ABMs are switched off |
| 19:34 |
Megaf |
server should run faster now |
| 19:35 |
Megaf |
and I just commented out init.lua in vines |
| 19:37 |
Megaf |
<ERROR> 2017-12-15 19:36:47: [Server] Item "nyancat:nyancat_rainbow" not defined at position (302,15,347) |
| 19:37 |
Megaf |
we lost the nyancat!!!!!!!! |
| 19:37 |
Megaf |
my players loved that |
| 19:38 |
Thomas-S |
Megaf: https://github.com/Thomas--S/moognu |
| 19:39 |
Megaf |
nope, |
| 19:39 |
Megaf |
I will readd nyamcat |
| 19:40 |
Thomas-S |
I prefer the real nyancats, too, but I was afraid of copyright violations |
| 19:40 |
Krock |
well done, Thomas-S. It needs mooore attraction |
| 19:41 |
Thomas-S |
Thanks, Krock, but I think that another player had the idea for this mod (maybe tenplus1?), so I decided not to advert it as my mod. |
| 19:41 |
Mr-Pardison |
Thomas-S: nicely done with the textures. looks uniform and like it would go nicely in deep caves. |
| 19:41 |
Thomas-S |
The textures are by tenplus1 for sure. :) |
| 19:42 |
Shara |
Megaf: Probably? |
| 19:42 |
Krock |
Thomas-S, already wondered whether I should start writing that moo/GNU mod after I've seen the textures in that issue |
| 19:42 |
Shara |
Hi everyone |
| 19:42 |
Krock |
hi Shara |
| 19:42 |
Mr-Pardison |
Mew shara |
| 19:42 |
Mr-Pardison |
what's up? |
| 19:42 |
Shara |
Hi Krock and mew Mr P. |
| 19:43 |
Thomas-S |
Hello, Shara! |
| 19:43 |
Shara |
Hi Thomas :) |
| 19:43 |
Krock |
Thomas-S, publish it on the forums :) |
| 19:43 |
Shara |
Mr P, not so much. Ambition for tonight is make one MT PR... but we will see. |
| 19:43 |
Shara |
It's possible I curl up and sleep instead :) |
| 19:43 |
Thomas-S |
Krock: I'll add this to my to-do-list :) |
| 19:43 |
Mr-Pardison |
I finally installed fedora yesterday and installed MTG today. |
| 19:44 |
* Mr-Pardison |
puts install chrome as the next thing to install on his computer |
| 19:45 |
Wayward_One |
hi all :) |
| 19:45 |
Shara |
Hi Wayward_One |
| 19:46 |
ThomasMonroe |
lol Shara, you pinged me |
| 19:46 |
Shara |
You ping on just "Thomas"? |
| 19:47 |
ThomasMonroe |
yes |
| 19:47 |
Shara |
Sorry, but there are two of you :P |
| 19:47 |
Krock |
ThomasMonroe, remove that ping. There's a name conflict |
| 19:47 |
ThomasMonroe |
:/ wish I could, but almost everyone on my server calls me Tre or Thomas |
| 19:47 |
Shara |
You will probably have to live with it then. |
| 19:48 |
ThomasMonroe |
:P I was just making a light-hearted comment |
| 19:48 |
ThomasMonroe |
I don't mind being pinged |
| 19:48 |
Shara |
So was I :P |
| 19:48 |
Krock |
ok Thomas |
| 19:48 |
Shara |
And I don't mind if you get pinged :D |
| 19:49 |
Thomas-S |
Megaf: There are a few unkown nodes at the space shuttle airport on your server |
| 19:49 |
Krock |
Thomas-S, punch them to flood his log files |
| 19:50 |
Thomas-S |
I'll punch one of each type, so that he can tell me the itemstrings :P |
| 19:50 |
Krock |
doesn't F5 show them? |
| 19:51 |
Thomas-S |
Not there. Sometimes it does, but not when needed :) |
| 19:52 |
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| 20:03 |
Megaf |
<ERROR> 2017-12-15 19:50:34: [Server] Item "streets:rw_asphalt_solid" not defined at position (-381,8,48 |
| 20:03 |
Megaf |
<ERROR> 2017-12-15 19:50:36: [Server] Item "streets:rw_sideline" not defined at position (-384,8,488) |
| 20:03 |
Megaf |
<ERROR> 2017-12-15 20:02:24: [Server] Item "streets:asphalt_outer_edge" not defined at position (-550,8,813) |
| 20:04 |
Megaf |
Thomas-S: ^ |
| 20:04 |
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| 20:04 |
Thomas-S |
Thanks, I'll punch a few more now |
| 20:04 |
Mr-Pardison |
\o Fixer |
| 20:04 |
Megaf |
by the way, you should be having a better experience with world load |
| 20:05 |
Thomas-S |
Yes, performance improved pretty much |
| 20:08 |
Thomas-S |
Megaf: Could you please tell me the itemstrings? |
| 20:09 |
Megaf |
<ERROR> 2017-12-15 20:07:48: [Server] Item "streets:asphalt_side_stair_l" not defined at position (-567,4,738) |
| 20:09 |
Megaf |
<ERROR> 2017-12-15 20:07:49: [Server] Item "streets:asphalt_side_stair_r" not defined at position (-564,4,738) |
| 20:09 |
Megaf |
<ERROR> 2017-12-15 20:07:28: [Server] Item "streets:asphalt_outer_edge" not defined at position (-574,2,706) |
| 20:10 |
Thomas-S |
And this one? |
| 20:10 |
Megaf |
sideline |
| 20:10 |
Thomas-S |
thanks |
| 20:10 |
Megaf |
Thank yoyu |
| 20:10 |
Thomas-S |
I'll test a little bit on a local world and then start to write a compatiblity mod. |
| 20:11 |
Megaf |
Thanks |
| 20:11 |
Thomas-S |
You're welcome |
| 20:13 |
Megaf |
why kind of doctor should I see for a knee pain? |
| 20:13 |
Jordach |
the doctor |
| 20:13 |
Jordach |
*TARDIS noises* |
| 20:13 |
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| 20:13 |
Megaf |
lol |
| 20:13 |
Megaf |
let me get some coffee and toas with butter, brb |
| 20:16 |
hoodedice |
nice to meet you, btw, Shara |
| 20:16 |
Shara |
Likewise, good to have you with us :) |
| 20:17 |
Megaf |
did you meet in person? |
| 20:17 |
sofar |
Krock: Megaf: what do you think of this: |
| 20:17 |
sofar |
https://gist.githubusercontent.com/ahkok/f8058bb96b4807b4ff76f8ecd62f170a/raw/61a7c59af4530dd78dd4f80136b6ca8ebae56fc0/gistfile1.txt |
| 20:17 |
sofar |
Megaf: try it if you can |
| 20:18 |
hoodedice |
no... Just as an introductory greeting, I guess? |
| 20:18 |
* Mr-Pardison |
feels he missed something |
| 20:18 |
Mr-Pardison |
*scrolls through chat log* |
| 20:19 |
hoodedice |
Wayward_One, if you don't mind, what is the exact issue that you were having with Minetest builds for Android? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=12169 |
| 20:20 |
Megaf |
sofar: I think I dont like Lua |
| 20:20 |
Shara |
Megaf: why do you not like lua? |
| 20:21 |
Megaf |
Not a pretty languange |
| 20:21 |
hoodedice |
Megaf, that's coming a couple years too late xD |
| 20:21 |
Wayward_One |
certain breakages earlier in the 0.5.0 dev cycle |
| 20:21 |
Wayward_One |
it's being worked on though, and i have yet to try again |
| 20:21 |
Megaf |
sofar: codewise seems fine, not sure about the space checking tho |
| 20:22 |
Krock |
sofar, looks good. would be the better if there was a better way than looking up the entire area |
| 20:22 |
Megaf |
Shara: opinions? ^ |
| 20:22 |
Shara |
On? |
| 20:22 |
hoodedice |
something not core devs can fix? I want to try getting some experience with compiling for android |
| 20:22 |
hoodedice |
*not-core-devs |
| 20:22 |
Megaf |
Krock: yep, I don't like the way palm tree checks for space arround |
| 20:22 |
sofar |
Krock: this code is a disaster, it would take a rewrite |
| 20:22 |
sofar |
Megaf: do you have a sec to test it? |
| 20:22 |
Krock |
good enough for a temporary fix |
| 20:22 |
sofar |
I wanna make sure it doesn't crashies |
| 20:22 |
sofar |
before I push |
| 20:23 |
Megaf |
sofar: sure, |
| 20:23 |
Megaf |
can you suggest a way to apply the diff? |
| 20:23 |
sofar |
cd ...../moretrees |
| 20:23 |
sofar |
curl -L https://gist.githubusercontent.com/ahkok/f8058bb96b4807b4ff76f8ecd62f170a/raw/61a7c59af4530dd78dd4f80136b6ca8ebae56fc0/gistfile1.txt | patch -p1 |
| 20:23 |
Megaf |
my old friend patch -p1 :) |
| 20:23 |
Megaf |
like good old days patching the Linux kernel |
| 20:24 |
Wayward_One |
hoodedice, this should have fixed it if i understand correctly: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/6628 |
| 20:24 |
Fixer |
PART FISH @ PART GIRL |
| 20:24 |
* Wayward_One |
decides to try it soon |
| 20:24 |
hoodedice |
okay, I'll try to see if I can compile it for now |
| 20:24 |
Krock |
hoodedice, we're low on android devs, that's why development there is pretty much stalling. See https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/6628 for the most recent fix |
| 20:24 |
hoodedice |
Krock, that's what my intention is |
| 20:25 |
hoodedice |
to get on the android development side of things |
| 20:25 |
Shara |
We certainly need someone working on it. |
| 20:25 |
hoodedice |
it'll be a couple weeks before I can do anything substantial, sure, but if I keep trying I should "get it" |
| 20:25 |
Shara |
Good luck then, quite seriously. |
| 20:26 |
Megaf |
hoodedice: anyone can work on Minetest, and if your work is good you may be invited to join the core dev team |
| 20:26 |
Megaf |
hoodedice: you see? It's been 5 or 6 years already and they never invited me. It means my work was never good enough |
| 20:26 |
* Megaf |
giggles |
| 20:27 |
Shara |
Megaf: how long since you made a PR? :P |
| 20:27 |
Megaf |
Shara: not long, 3 or 4 years? |
| 20:27 |
hoodedice |
I liked you back when I was a shitposter Megaf and I like you now :D |
| 20:28 |
Megaf |
sofar: date palms still working |
| 20:28 |
Megaf |
hoodedice: hah, I like you too :) |
| 20:28 |
* Fixer |
will test some translucency codes |
| 20:29 |
Megaf |
<ERROR> 2017-12-15 20:28:25: [Server] Item "glow:stone" not defined at position (217,-23,81) |
| 20:29 |
Megaf |
hm |
| 20:29 |
Megaf |
I have glow mod enabled |
| 20:29 |
hoodedice |
dev.minetest.net has certificate errors? |
| 20:32 |
Megaf |
2017-12-15 20:32:19: ERROR[Main]: ServerError: AsyncErr: ServerThread::run Lua: Runtime error from mod '' in callback item_OnPlace(): .../mods/homedecor_modpack/homedecor/handlers/expansion.lua:107: attempt to index global 'creative' (a nil value) |
| 20:32 |
sofar |
Megaf: awesome, thanks for testing |
| 20:32 |
Megaf |
How do I sort that out? ^ |
| 20:33 |
Megaf |
and why is it trying to do creative related stuff? |
| 20:34 |
Fixer |
man, internet is slow AF today, and I'm not even in US |
| 20:34 |
Megaf |
sofar: thatk's for improving it |
| 20:34 |
* sofar |
pushes |
| 20:34 |
Megaf |
Fixer: you are not the only one complaining |
| 20:35 |
Fixer |
omg |
| 20:36 |
Fixer |
first translucency code is indeed slow AF |
| 20:36 |
Jordach |
my internet speeds have been fine |
| 20:39 |
benrob0329 |
Jordach: so have mine |
| 20:39 |
Fixer |
90+/35(trans1)/90+(trans2, blinks) |
| 20:40 |
Shara |
I just tested, and also fine |
| 20:40 |
Megaf |
Shara: sofars patch? |
| 20:40 |
Shara |
Internet, since that was the last talked about thing |
| 20:40 |
Megaf |
lol |
| 20:41 |
Megaf |
tested here too |
| 20:41 |
Megaf |
17 mpbs |
| 20:41 |
Megaf |
on wifi |
| 20:41 |
Shara |
I can't test other patches right now, since I am testing something I've been working on myself |
| 20:41 |
Megaf |
that is fine |
| 20:41 |
Megaf |
that is fine too |
| 20:42 |
benrob0329 |
My internet might actually be faster today |
| 20:42 |
Mr-Pardison |
testing net speeds now. |
| 20:42 |
Mr-Pardison |
this is when tethered to the wall outlet. |
| 20:43 |
Mr-Pardison |
203.9 Mbps download, 3.03 mbps upload. 10 ms latency. |
| 20:44 |
Jordach |
http://beta.speedtest.net/result/6883194278.png |
| 20:44 |
Jordach |
git gud |
| 20:44 |
Jordach |
and this is at peak time |
| 20:44 |
Shara |
Jordach: I can't be bothered to pay them more than I do |
| 20:44 |
Mr-Pardison |
Jordach: try this one. http://beta.speedtest.net/result/6883194856.png |
| 20:45 |
Shara |
But that ping on mine can't be real. |
| 20:45 |
Shara |
It's usually about 16 to that test server |
| 20:45 |
Shara |
Now 1? |
| 20:48 |
benrob0329 |
Shara: very close server? |
| 20:49 |
IhrFussel |
The new 5G internet tries to reduce latency for all connections |
| 20:52 |
Shara |
about 50 miles away |
| 20:52 |
Shara |
It's the default it gives me for testing |
| 20:53 |
Shara |
But like I said, usually around 16 |
| 20:53 |
benrob0329 |
I want a commertial fibre line, then I can set up dedicated hosting from my house :P |
| 20:54 |
benrob0329 |
Unfortunately that would be very expensive |
| 20:54 |
IhrFussel |
http://www.huawei.com/minisite/5g/en/defining-5g.html ... if all that becomes true 5G will be a wet dream for every internet user |
| 20:57 |
hoodedice |
okay, Wayward_One I will ask for help now |
| 20:57 |
hoodedice |
If you can guide me on how you last compiled it, I will write documentation for it :) |
| 20:57 |
benrob0329 |
IhrFussel: holy.. |
| 20:58 |
benrob0329 |
I mean, we only got cable in our area a couple years ago, but 10GB/s would be..glorious |
| 20:59 |
Mr-Pardison |
got google fiber in our city but hasn't come to our area yet. |
| 20:59 |
Fixer |
sofar: i'm on DSL |
| 20:59 |
benrob0329 |
RIP |
| 21:00 |
Mr-Pardison |
RIP Fixer. |
| 21:00 |
Fixer |
at least it is not dialup |
| 21:00 |
Fixer |
i even sometimes have 480p youtube problems, not often though |
| 21:01 |
Fixer |
on rare days 720p plays ok |
| 21:01 |
Mr-Pardison |
g2g cya |
| 21:02 |
IhrFussel |
benrob0329, I don't think it's 10 GB/s ... I read somewhere realistic would be 800 MB/s which is still A LOT |
| 21:02 |
benrob0329 |
Indeed |
| 21:03 |
Fixer |
with damaged wire by shovel |
| 21:03 |
IhrFussel |
I wonder why DSL doesn't evolve like mobile connections |
| 21:03 |
Fixer |
"Microsoft is quietly forcing some Windows 10 computers to install a password manager that contains a critical vulnerability disclosed 16 months ago that allows websites to steal passwords, a researcher said Friday." |
| 21:04 |
Fixer |
IhrFussel: it evolves, but there are limits on connection |
| 21:04 |
hoodedice |
_facepalm_ : found the android build directory with a makefile |
| 21:04 |
benrob0329 |
This is why I don't use Windows |
| 21:04 |
Wayward_One |
hoodedice, i followed the instructions on the dev wiki, but that appears to be down |
| 21:04 |
Fixer |
IhrFussel: those wires are older than you and me combined |
| 21:04 |
hoodedice |
Fixer, what's the source for that quote? |
| 21:04 |
Megaf |
since everybody is sharing internet |
| 21:04 |
Megaf |
http://beta.speedtest.net/result/6883241019.png |
| 21:04 |
Fixer |
https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/12/microsoft-is-forcing-users-to-install-a-critically-flawed-password-manager/ |
| 21:05 |
Wayward_One |
also, it still fails to compile, but i think there's another pr still waiting |
| 21:05 |
IhrFussel |
Fixer, I know that lots of connections still use copper wires, but even the modern ones can't top 1 Gbit/s AFAIK |
| 21:06 |
IhrFussel |
At least here in Germany the providers only offer 50,000 or 150,000 max |
| 21:07 |
IhrFussel |
But internet in Germany is a joke anyways...luckily the gov recognized that recently and plans to improve it in the next years |
| 21:08 |
sfan5 |
the "improvements" they have made so far are mostly a joke too |
| 21:08 |
Shara |
Yay, guess who's in Germany next week.... |
| 21:08 |
Shara |
You are not making me look forward to the visit :P |
| 21:08 |
garywhite |
Since everyone is sharing speeds http://beta.speedtest.net/result/6883250450 |
| 21:09 |
IhrFussel |
sfan5, they said villages will likely not get fast internet anytime soon but larger cities should improve |
| 21:10 |
sfan5 |
Shara: expect to find public wifi barely anywhere |
| 21:10 |
sfan5 |
likely not an issue anyway since most mobile plans now include EU roaming |
| 21:10 |
Megaf |
garywhite: you are super laggy |
| 21:10 |
Megaf |
Skype must be bad |
| 21:10 |
Megaf |
9 ms here :) |
| 21:10 |
Calinou |
hi |
| 21:10 |
garywhite |
13ms is laggy? |
| 21:10 |
Shara |
sfan5: I don't have a smartphone :) |
| 21:10 |
Megaf |
Hi Calinou |
| 21:11 |
Megaf |
I wonder what my actuall internet speed would be, with a cable |
| 21:11 |
hoodedice |
hi Calinou |
| 21:11 |
Calinou |
talking about countries, I have to do a semester abroad next year, so I submitted my choices to the university today |
| 21:11 |
Megaf |
Im on 802.11a currently |
| 21:11 |
Calinou |
(two universities in Belgium) |
| 21:11 |
Megaf |
any Irish? |
| 21:11 |
Shara |
Hmm, will be the first time I use my laptop in the country it was bought from |
| 21:12 |
IhrFussel |
The free Wi-Fi has a reason: The law didn't "allow" open networks without responsibility...the court just recently confirmed that offering a public Wi-Fi doesn't make you liable as owner |
| 21:12 |
Fixer |
lol, i have 40ms |
| 21:12 |
Fixer |
9 ms is insanely good ping |
| 21:13 |
Fixer |
when I had dial up, it was about 120 ms or so |
| 21:13 |
garywhite |
Megaf: 13ms on WiFi |
| 21:13 |
ThomasMonroe |
pings are even worse on satellite XD |
| 21:13 |
Fixer |
Calinou: do they offer North Korea unis? |
| 21:13 |
IhrFussel |
I'm pretty sure that many companies/services will announce free Wi-Fi hotspots now that they don't need to fear a fine anymore |
| 21:14 |
Fixer |
IhrFussel: very nice |
| 21:15 |
hoodedice |
in other FOSS related things |
| 21:15 |
hoodedice |
I am beginning to quite dislike android for a variety of reasons |
| 21:16 |
hoodedice |
I think I will pick up a Purism phone when it comes out next year |
| 21:16 |
Fixer |
news flash |
| 21:16 |
garywhite |
name 1 hoodedice |
| 21:16 |
IhrFussel |
In Berlin the transport company started offering free Wi-Fi for the subway stations and in a shopping mall I used o2 Wi-Fi ... so as long as you are in a large city in Germany and visit some popular place you will have free internet |
| 21:16 |
hoodedice |
overdependence on google services out of the box |
| 21:16 |
Fixer |
just buy that nokia 1100 or how it is called and don't bother |
| 21:16 |
Fixer |
black one with small screen |
| 21:17 |
garywhite |
What about the new 3310 |
| 21:17 |
Calinou |
Fixer: nope |
| 21:17 |
Calinou |
hoodedice: yeah, Google is making it really hard to use a FOSS-friendly Android device |
| 21:17 |
Calinou |
most high-end devices are very custom ROM-unfriendly today |
| 21:17 |
Calinou |
the AOSP apps were all scrapped for Google apps as of newer Android versions |
| 21:17 |
hoodedice |
android 7 makes it harder to set up your own ROM as well, since (IIUC: If I Understood Correctly) the /system partition is set up in such a way that modifications to it make a device unbootable (checksum?) |
| 21:18 |
Calinou |
nah, I've run Android 7.0 custom ROMs |
| 21:18 |
Calinou |
including on a LG G3, which never supported 7.0 officially :) |
| 21:18 |
Calinou |
(only up to 6.0) |
| 21:18 |
Calinou |
it worked decently |
| 21:18 |
Calinou |
unfortunately, the Samsung Galaxy S7 edge is really bad at custom ROMs ("wow samsung") |
| 21:18 |
Calinou |
so I'm running the stock ROM, which isn't great for battery life and everything |
| 21:18 |
Calinou |
I have that phone for 11 months now, and its battery isn't quite as good as it used to be |
| 21:19 |
Calinou |
(still enough for one day, but not two |
| 21:19 |
Calinou |
) |
| 21:19 |
Megaf |
Shara: one of the only reasons I have a smartphone is photos with geotagging and tracking my motion, steps, bike rides, and walks |
| 21:19 |
hoodedice |
this sony I have is pretty neat |
| 21:19 |
Calinou |
talking about bikes/walks… my parents got a new car earlier this week |
| 21:19 |
hoodedice |
Xperia X. sd650/3GB RAM for $250 |
| 21:19 |
Calinou |
as I now have a license, I got to drive it :) |
| 21:19 |
Calinou |
it's the first time we have an automatic |
| 21:19 |
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| 21:20 |
Shara |
Megaf: I use the internet enough at home, don't want the temptation with me every single place I go |
| 21:20 |
Shara |
When I'm ont he move, I'd rather be looking at the world |
| 21:21 |
Megaf |
hah, I barerly use my phone on the internet, despiste be having ulimited 3G |
| 21:21 |
Megaf |
mostly youtube and important emails |
| 21:21 |
Shara |
well, I have a work phone for work stuff |
| 21:21 |
hoodedice |
I guess we all would have similar usages of phones |
| 21:21 |
Megaf |
ah, I use my phone for 2 factor auth in everything |
| 21:21 |
Shara |
but I'll stick to a computer for everything else |
| 21:21 |
Megaf |
I have an app with those codes that change all the time |
| 21:22 |
hoodedice |
it's like if we know enough about computers, we appreciate the world a little more :^) |
| 21:23 |
Fixer |
mine is used as dumb phone + camera |
| 21:23 |
benrob0329 |
I am also planning on buying a purism phone |
| 21:24 |
benrob0329 |
The Librem5 is even backed by Matrix and NextCloud :D |
| 21:25 |
hoodedice |
in related news, has anyone seen this? https://system76.com/pop |
| 21:26 |
Krock |
what's that? unix? |
| 21:26 |
benrob0329 |
My WM config is more "out of the way" than that GNOME setup |
| 21:27 |
hoodedice |
it is a GNOME thing that promises to be "extremely maker friendly" |
| 21:27 |
benrob0329 |
Especially if trying to run on low-tier hardware :P |
| 21:27 |
Krock |
looks like xubuntu |
| 21:27 |
hoodedice |
I just suck at configuring things, so I am intrigued with the window snapping shortcuts they have out of the box |
| 21:27 |
hoodedice |
no |
| 21:27 |
hoodedice |
it looks more like vanilla ubuntu to me |
| 21:28 |
benrob0329 |
hoodedice: why snap, when you can tile? |
| 21:28 |
benrob0329 |
Snapping is the poor man's tiling |
| 21:28 |
hoodedice |
because I'm used to it on Windows |
| 21:28 |
benrob0329 |
Thats not an argument :p |
| 21:28 |
hoodedice |
10 has some amazingly neat snapping, and with them now having virtual desktops as well |
| 21:29 |
hoodedice |
I had some pretty neat workflow thingy going |
| 21:30 |
benrob0329 |
Thats literally every *Nix desktop since like, the 90s |
| 21:31 |
hoodedice |
if I can get the shortcuts for xubuntu's snapping thing, I would be happy |
| 21:31 |
hoodedice |
keyboard shortcuts |
| 21:32 |
benrob0329 |
<Win> + arrow |
| 21:32 |
benrob0329 |
Or alt, if its set to be alt |
| 21:32 |
hoodedice |
no, it needs to be set up |
| 21:32 |
hoodedice |
but I found the options so I'm good |
| 21:33 |
hoodedice |
"Switch window for same application" -- oh boy this is so nice |
| 21:33 |
benrob0329 |
I've got a nice workflow going with Vim and Syntastic, Tiling, and Firefox in one workspace over |
| 21:33 |
benrob0329 |
:P |
| 21:35 |
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| 21:38 |
hoodedice |
hi paramat |
| 21:38 |
Calinou |
https://lut.im/NntN2YD8Sw/VCrLj9S3VyHObtfV.jpg |
| 21:38 |
Calinou |
https://lut.im/6BLHmGzqHw/tyvKY5t82Z3TY9J7.jpg |
| 21:38 |
Calinou |
the new car my parents got :) |
| 21:38 |
Shara |
Hi paramat |
| 21:38 |
hoodedice |
it looks nice |
| 21:38 |
Calinou |
I love driving it, it's much better than any other car I've driven |
| 21:39 |
Megaf |
folks, how can I use a git command to enter all mod folders and do a git pull in everything? |
| 21:39 |
hoodedice |
recursive bash script? |
| 21:39 |
Megaf |
with svn I can do just svn update * |
| 21:39 |
Calinou |
Megaf: I made a basic script for this: https://gist.github.com/Calinou/93938dc92484bc5e89f0 |
| 21:39 |
Calinou |
for more elaborate use cases, use https://github.com/earwig/git-repo-updater |
| 21:39 |
Calinou |
(uses Python) |
| 21:40 |
Fixer |
Calinou: parked somewhat funny into the bushes |
| 21:40 |
Calinou |
Fixer: :D |
| 21:40 |
Krock |
Calinou, just a meter forward to re-shape the bush definitely |
| 21:40 |
Krock |
these ninjas... |
| 21:40 |
Calinou |
the car is performing gardening |
| 21:41 |
Megaf |
Calinou: I like the second option |
| 21:42 |
sofar |
btw, using a gaussion blur on text can be reversed, so don't use it to anonymize license plates |
| 21:43 |
Krock |
not as good if you export it with low jpeg quality |
| 21:43 |
Megaf |
Calinou: beautiful car |
| 21:43 |
Calinou |
sofar: probably made it strong enough, no? |
| 21:43 |
Calinou |
pure black is fugly |
| 21:43 |
sofar |
that's the problem with blur, even at high strength it can be reversed |
| 21:44 |
Calinou |
sounds like https://xkcd.com/538/ to me |
| 21:44 |
sofar |
there are only 36 inputs to each letter, so |
| 21:44 |
sofar |
deblurring has already led to humiliating hacks without physical access |
| 21:44 |
Calinou |
I could have used gaussian blur with a very high value (like 1000) but meh |
| 21:44 |
Calinou |
I'll do that next time |
| 21:44 |
sofar |
a higher blur doesn't matter |
| 21:44 |
sofar |
that's the point |
| 21:45 |
Megaf |
"If you don't remember the radius, or you truncated the pixel values by working or saving the image as 8 bit (and then used lossy JPEG compression for good measure destroying data further) then standard inverse filtering will fail spectacularly." |
| 21:45 |
Calinou |
the whole square would be one colour |
| 21:45 |
Megaf |
sofar: ^ |
| 21:45 |
Megaf |
not so easy to reverse |
| 21:45 |
Calinou |
yeah, xkcd 538 as usual |
| 21:45 |
hoodedice |
just |
| 21:45 |
hoodedice |
paint it over with a standard brush |
| 21:45 |
sofar |
exactly |
| 21:45 |
Calinou |
put emojis over it! |
| 21:45 |
* Calinou |
hides |
| 21:45 |
sofar |
area select, fill |
| 21:45 |
Krock |
well, that would be a great car: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e4/Wienermobile-Bologna.jpg relevant xkcd: https://www.xkcd.com/1698/ |
| 21:45 |
hoodedice |
computationally faster than blurring too |
| 21:45 |
Calinou |
yeah but that's ugly, it looks completely out of place |
| 21:46 |
Calinou |
blurring with a huge radius is the same as filling with an average color anyway |
| 21:46 |
sofar |
then copy+paste fake license plate |
| 21:46 |
Calinou |
(but you don't have to spend time finding out the average color yourself, so you spend less time doing it) |
| 21:46 |
hoodedice |
http://media.wheels.ca/vehicles/2498/2299514/2017-Toyota-Corolla-iM-2299514-1-sm.jpg |
| 21:46 |
hoodedice |
this is the car I want to get though |
| 21:47 |
hoodedice |
but I won't until I actually get a job |
| 21:47 |
sofar |
what are you doing here? |
| 21:47 |
* sofar |
shoos hoodedice to get a job |
| 21:47 |
hoodedice |
> can't work until February 11 |
| 21:47 |
hoodedice |
visa restrictions |
| 21:48 |
sofar |
I'd still start interviewing :) |
| 21:48 |
hoodedice |
and it's december and my resume and github are shit, so I'm working to do things I've wanted to do for a while |
| 21:49 |
Calinou |
gotta earn that GitHub money |
| 21:49 |
hoodedice |
rofl, nice one Cal |
| 21:50 |
hoodedice |
I have money saved up from the years I worked as tech support on campus |
| 21:50 |
paramat |
hi. hoodedice see https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6731 |
| 21:50 |
Megaf |
I will have a job and a wife please. And for dessert a house seasoned with a couple of cars. |
| 21:50 |
Megaf |
=/ |
| 21:51 |
Fixer |
wifen |
| 21:51 |
hoodedice |
thanks param, starred. I will drop everything else and focus on this stuff first |
| 21:56 |
paramat |
seems there is more work needed on android build system, see https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/6628 |
| 21:58 |
hoodedice |
getting an error on irrlicht_download |
| 21:58 |
Wayward_One |
same error i got' |
| 21:59 |
hoodedice |
found the fix |
| 22:00 |
hoodedice |
make a directory in /$android_root/deps called 'irrlicht' |
| 22:00 |
hoodedice |
If I look at it further there should be a way to fix the recipe to make this directory if it is missing |
| 22:03 |
Wayward_One |
i don't seem to have an android_root, just android/deps with the irrlicht folder already present |
| 22:03 |
hoodedice |
yes, that's what it was |
| 22:04 |
Shara |
Yay, got there: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/6792 |
| 22:04 |
hoodedice |
I should've specified, sorry. $android_root was minetest/build/android/ |
| 22:05 |
Wayward_One |
ah, okay |
| 22:05 |
hoodedice |
Wayward_One, use stu's branch |
| 22:05 |
Wayward_One |
Shara, nice addition :) |
| 22:06 |
hoodedice |
https://github.com/stujones11/minetest |
| 22:06 |
Wayward_One |
okay, i'll try that |
| 22:06 |
Shara |
Now to hope they accept it :) |
| 22:06 |
Shara |
I want to work on a subgame, and this has felt needed |
| 22:07 |
hoodedice |
Makefile:623: recipe for target 'code/stujones11/minetest/build/android/deps/gmp-6.1.2/usr/lib/libgmp.so' failed |
| 22:07 |
hoodedice |
this is my current stopping point |
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hoodedice |
it was a dependency error: m4 |
| 22:17 |
hoodedice |
okay, what's this |
| 22:17 |
hoodedice |
typedef __int8_t int8_t; |
| 22:18 |
hoodedice |
https://gist.github.com/hoodedice/0c4fff5d89acc158ad49b7a55215893c |
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hoodedice |
../libtool: line 1766: arm-linux-androideabi-gcc: command not found |
| 22:21 |
hoodedice |
looks like I'm missing something on my end again |
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| 22:50 |
Megaf |
Shara: my last PR... https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/2664 |
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| 22:53 |
Megaf |
Welcome back Thomas |
| 22:54 |
ThomasMonroe |
thx |
| 22:54 |
Megaf |
nerzhul: paramat: sofar: anything wrong with this PR? https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/6559 |
| 22:54 |
Megaf |
LGTM |
| 22:59 |
Shara |
Megaf: Make some more! |
| 23:07 |
Megaf |
👌 |
| 23:09 |
Megaf |
That's sfan5 -> 😼 |
| 23:09 |
Shara |
Can't see it on here |
| 23:10 |
Megaf |
🤷 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ |
| 23:10 |
Megaf |
Shara: https://emojipedia.org/cat-face-with-wry-smile/ |
| 23:10 |
Shara |
Nice |
| 23:10 |
Megaf |
Best website of the year ever! ^ |
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| 23:14 |
Megaf |
Welcome back Mr_Pardison |
| 23:14 |
Mr_Pardison |
ty Megaf |
| 23:14 |
Mr_Pardison |
Managed to snag the wifi at home and hop on here. |
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| 23:19 |
Megaf |
Shara: will begin working on a PR in 5 minutes, though I'm sure it won't be merged. |
| 23:22 |
Shara |
What will it do? |
| 23:26 |
IhrFussel |
Change MT's name JK xD |
| 23:27 |
Mr_Pardison |
>.< |
| 23:29 |
Shara |
Do it! |
| 23:29 |
Megaf |
Gonna make some coffee first |
| 23:29 |
Mr_Pardison |
good idea. |
| 23:31 |
Megaf |
I wonder if anyone actually use the tools in the subgame minimal to make mods |
| 23:31 |
Sokomine |
idea regarding the protector mod (that mod is annoying me again): add a command that locates all protector blocks owned by the player in a given area, lists them and adds or removes another player to those protectors |
| 23:32 |
Shara |
Megaf: I make mods using the subgame I plan to use the mod with |
| 23:32 |
Sokomine |
megaf: minimal? is that still around? |
| 23:33 |
Mr_Pardison |
Sokomine: yes. I've tried it to see what it is all about and it's still bland. |
| 23:34 |
Shara |
That's kind of the point |
| 23:35 |
Mr_Pardison |
ik. |
| 23:35 |
Mr_Pardison |
needs salt. |
| 23:39 |
Fixer |
---- american date notation |
| 23:39 |
Fixer |
i hate this crap |
| 23:47 |
benrob0329 |
Fixer: whats wrong with date month year? |
| 23:47 |
Fixer |
MM-DD-YY < this crap |
| 23:47 |
Fixer |
is getting on my nerves |
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* Shara |
uses YYYYMMDD whenever given a choice |
| 23:49 |
Megaf |
lovely |
| 23:49 |
Megaf |
2017-12-15 23:48:44: ERROR[Main]: ModError: Failed to load and run script from /home/minetest/MegafServer/BinMegafServer/bin/../mods/castle/castle_tapestries/init.lua: |
| 23:49 |
Megaf |
2017-12-15 23:48:44: ERROR[Main]: ...egafServer/bin/../mods/castle/castle_tapestries/init.lua:76: attempt to index global 'unifieddyes' (a nil value) |
| 23:49 |
Shara |
Fixer: I'm european but worked as technical writer for a US company for quite some time... went half mad because some of them tried to format dates as we do to be nice to me. |
| 23:49 |
Megaf |
it was working just 30 min ago |
| 23:50 |
Megaf |
now is crashing |
| 23:50 |
* benrob0329 |
sees so many date formats he ends up using a unix timestamp to name his screenshots |
| 23:50 |
Shara |
Never knew who was being "nice" and who was being american |
| 23:50 |
Sokomine |
Shara: sounds like complete and utter chaos :-) |
| 23:50 |
Shara |
Eventually I made a rule that everyone would write months using letters |
| 23:50 |
Megaf |
I'm using dd_Month_yyyy for my stuff like backups |
| 23:50 |
Megaf |
like, 23_July_1987 |
| 23:51 |
Megaf |
or just Jul |
| 23:51 |
Shara |
I like year-month-day for files because it orders |
| 23:52 |
Shara |
Sokomine: It was... A very special kind |
| 23:53 |
Megaf |
unifieddyes fixed, wonder what's going to be the next thing to brake |
| 23:53 |
Shara |
My technical writing experience ended in: http://gingercat.tk/pics/08.jpg |
| 23:53 |
Megaf |
break |
| 23:54 |
Mr_Pardison |
Shara: XD |
| 23:54 |
benrob0329 |
Shara: let's be honest though, all our grammar is inferior compare to the likes of Shakespeare |
| 23:55 |
Mr_Pardison |
benrob0329: Shakespeare basically created the modern english language. |
| 23:55 |
Shara |
Not really. |
| 23:55 |
Shara |
Influenced, yes. |
| 23:56 |
Mr_Pardison |
Key word was basically. didn't make all of it; just provided stuff. |
| 23:59 |
Fixer |
Shara: yes, it is very nice for sorting but... there is like DATE field stored in filesystem anyway for that |
