Time Nick Message 00:00 Aerozoic https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6789 00:00 ThomasMonroe oh XD thought you were talking to me paramat 00:01 Aerozoic oh haha, a few seconds too late 00:02 paramat i can tell i've been processing issues too much, i'm beginning to remember them 00:05 Jordach paramat, i'd toss you a tenner for crimbo 00:05 Jordach but my wallet at the minute is currently on, survive, adapt 00:06 Fixer evolve 00:06 Jordach lmao 00:07 ThomasMonroe lol 00:08 paramat no prob not dead yet 00:08 Jordach paramat, been buried under my paperwork from NCC 00:09 Jordach DWP is about to get rekt 00:09 paramat hope so =) 00:09 Jordach i do have a packet of mcvities on the desk 00:12 Fixer github is so slow in firefox, damned 00:12 Fixer f a s t e r 00:12 ThomasMonroe l o l 00:30 Fixer bug flying in my face 00:30 Fixer what is this? summer? 00:31 sofar global warming 00:31 ThomasMonroe erm, don't you mean "climate change"? 00:31 ThomasMonroe :P 00:31 sofar no 00:31 sofar if you said "human induced climate anomaly", then yes 00:32 ThomasMonroe not sure we can prove that, but ok 00:32 sofar fuck you 00:32 ThomasMonroe ? 00:32 Fixer sofar: some time ago, i've read this book about it: "Donald Rapp - Assessing Climate Change - Temperatures, Solar Radiation and Heat Balance", pretty good one 00:33 ThomasMonroe and also the earth went through an ice age, why not blame that on humans too? 00:33 Fixer quite good one 00:34 sofar it's too late to hide behind lies, guys, being complacent in the destruction of the earth is a crime 00:34 Fixer sofar: yesterday i've posted a link to Creative Computing magazine from 70s, it had article "global cooling" mentioned in article and finding potential causes, that was funny in a way 00:35 Fixer nevermind the writing 00:35 Fixer let me search for exact wording 00:36 Fixer CLIMATE BY COMPUTER 00:36 Fixer Computer simulation of complex systems like the atmosphere is a tricky business, 00:36 Fixer but two IBM scientists are trying to use computers to answer at least one 00:36 Fixer pressing question: Is dust pollution contributing to the global cooling trends? 00:36 Fixer Their tentative answer is negative, "initial results indicate that the effect of 00:36 Fixer dust on the earth's [climate] has been overestimated." 00:36 Fixer 1972 00:36 Fixer https://www.atariarchives.org/bcc1/showpage.php?page=48 00:37 Fixer sofar: i don't denied it, it is climate change to warmer (and it sucks) 00:38 Fixer don't denie 00:38 Fixer hmm 00:39 sofar https://climate.nasa.gov/news/807/dusts-warming-counters-half-of-its-cooling-effect/ 00:39 Fixer i though denied was a word, can't find it my dictionaries 00:40 Fixer in my* 00:40 ThomasMonroe http://blog.drwile.com/a-climate-skeptics-story/ 00:40 ThomasMonroe http://blog.drwile.com/sometimes-its-the-deniers-who-are-right/ 00:40 Fixer ThomasMonroe: read that book I posted above, it has tons of data 00:40 ThomasMonroe ok, I'll take a look 00:41 Fixer denial 00:41 Fixer ah 00:41 sofar oh ffs "Proslogion – Thoughts from a scientist who is a Christia" 00:41 Fixer deny 00:41 Fixer found it 00:42 sofar nothing wrong with responsible science 00:42 sofar but that, it is not 00:42 ThomasMonroe what is not? 00:42 sofar responsible science 00:42 ThomasMonroe what is not responsible science? 00:42 ThomasMonroe teaching theory as fact? 00:43 sofar disputing the overwhelming evidence 00:43 sofar that's not science 00:43 sofar that's criminal 00:43 sofar immoral 00:43 sofar unethical 00:43 sofar dangerous 00:43 Fixer sofar: not in usa (/me runs) 00:43 ThomasMonroe ok, there was overwhelming evidence that quasi-periodic crystals did not exist and yet they do 00:44 Fixer sofar: usa is awkward nation, it is kinda quite progressive, but too much religious and a lot of people have crazy beliefs 00:44 sofar so science makes small incremental improvements? 00:44 ThomasMonroe wdym? 00:44 sofar you can't just waive a hundred years of climate science away 00:44 sofar one tiny part, sure, show me the article 00:44 sofar all of it? fuck no 00:45 ThomasMonroe like Galeleio waived the entire geocentric theory goodbye? 00:45 sofar fuck you, you're just trolling to get points 00:45 Fixer climate change is a fact, earth climate has changed through earth history a lot, and todays humans may have contributed to some warming recently, time will show who is right, but for now it is warming every year 00:45 sofar "I know better because I'm critical" 00:45 ThomasMonroe ^ 00:45 sofar "sometimes scientists are wrong" 00:45 ThomasMonroe Fixer: thats exactly what I am trying to say 00:46 sofar so that means you can just scream that global warming isn't man-made? 00:46 sofar throw away millions of years of temperature data? 00:46 ThomasMonroe the point is we don't know 00:46 sofar WE 00:46 sofar FUCKING 00:46 sofar DO 00:46 ThomasMonroe millions? 00:46 Fixer humans has contribution in warming 00:46 Fixer have 00:46 sofar millions 00:46 sofar we have millions of years of temperature and climate data 00:47 sofar we know the oxygen level of the atmosphere in the devonian 00:47 Fixer if you read that 800 pages book, it has very detailed review of everything, past climate, co2 increase leading to T increase, etc 00:47 Fixer yeah 00:47 Fixer recent data from ice cores and trees 00:48 ThomasMonroe I gtg eat dinner, sorry if my opinion is different 00:48 Fixer it even looks into that hockey stick controversy 00:48 Fixer even if you take critics into effect - there is still warming 00:48 sofar this attitude is immoral and irresponsible 00:48 sofar it leads to people just driving more hummers 00:49 Fixer sofar: business as usual (tm) 00:49 Fixer oh that book is just 400 pages, not 800 00:49 sofar I can not accept opinions that will destroy the world for my children 00:50 Shara There's rather a lot of them to change though 00:51 Fixer sofar: pep0l/governments want economic growth/prosperity => destroying ecosystem/warming => nah, I will be dead anyway => fuck kids 00:51 sofar I'm putting them on notice 00:51 sofar it's not acceptable 00:51 sofar period 00:51 Fixer and you got a new future punk movie or how it is called 00:51 Shara And even most who agree just won't change because 00:51 sofar kick me if that isn't acceptable 00:51 sofar I will not stand idly by 00:52 * Shara would probably kick anyone who kicks anyone for caring about such things :) 00:52 Fixer sofar: politicians don't care, but, EU/US is pretty concious, but it is just 1billion of Earth 00:52 sofar heck, you're using a computer, wtf, you're going to use it but not believe in the science that made it possible in the first place? 00:53 Fixer conscious 00:53 Fixer sofar: r e p u b l i c a n s 00:53 Fixer not all of them are bad though 00:54 sofar problem is that one half of them is half-bad on one issue 00:54 sofar the other half is bad on another issue 00:55 Fixer even in Eeas Europe, I don't see much environmentalism at all (apart from few rare activists) 00:55 Fixer East* 00:55 Fixer there is even no sorting of trash 00:55 sofar how can you want to be conservative, but not conserve the environment? 00:56 sofar hypocrit much? 00:56 Fixer sofar: who? 00:56 Fixer but we do use gas as main heating source, while China burns that coal 00:57 Fixer sofar: you mean Monroe? i was never conservative much, pro science, it is just local population and politicians don't care here 00:57 Fixer not just here 00:57 Fixer it is when it goes to shit, they will start alarm 00:57 Fixer like that smog in China, now they thinking how to reduce air pollution 00:58 Fixer sofar: also, there is 1"golden" billion, but soon will be 9 "poor" billions (mostly africa and asia), now that will be a shitshow 00:59 Fixer sofar: 1) if they remain poor - ok, not much more pollution 2) if they develope - lack of resources/tons of pollution 01:01 Fixer sofar: also, nobody cares about this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Limits_to_Growth , business as usual, future generations are fucked if no action, but i hope it will, more recycling, less coal burning, fusion reactors 01:01 Fixer it will be mitigated* 01:03 shivajiva they just want us to pay to clean up something they allowed to be created in the first place for profit 01:04 Fixer sofar: few generations after us will enjoy a shit show, or maybe a bright revitalised future, or kinda meh, high tech - low life (heck, it is already that way) 01:04 Fixer shivajiva: it is fundamental problem 01:04 shivajiva how can we refuse, it's our kids legacy 01:04 Fixer shivajiva: in short - kill all humans 01:04 shivajiva good plan 01:04 Fixer problem solved 01:04 shivajiva start with the politicians pls 01:05 Shara ^ 01:05 sofar start with the special interests and kill citizens united 01:05 sofar take money out of politics 01:05 Fixer shivajiva: with bullets (:trollface:) 01:06 sofar change the voting system so it's not fricken criminally rigged (US) 01:06 Fixer sofar: it can't be solved much, current world runs on economic growth that is sustained by extracting finite resources and adding pollution in proccess 01:06 sofar etc 01:07 Fixer sofar: to decrease pollution you need to slow economic growth and stop burning fuels, use solars/nuclear/hydro etc, but that needs huge investment, don't forget that car-crap usa can't live without 01:08 shivajiva now we have arrived at at level of tech advancement the issue for the rich is they have too many worker ants to really control the game and enjoy the reward 01:08 shivajiva so they need a solution :) 01:08 Fixer anyway, future looks to me not totally bright, more like high tech - low life thing 01:08 shivajiva it's called war 01:09 Fixer maltus 01:09 Fixer is watching 01:09 Fixer creepy 01:09 Fixer :D 01:09 sofar I'm still fighting the guy who avoids the inconvenient truth 01:10 Fixer sofar: pfff, it is like probably 100-200 mln in USA of those guys 01:10 Fixer sofar: with dinosaur bones placed by god 5000 years ago and such 01:10 shivajiva ahh 01:11 sofar sad part is he's probably a late teenager who is indoctrinated at home, and my attitude is just scaring him away from making his own mind up 01:13 shivajiva you can't beat sense into people 01:13 Fixer sofar: everything is centered about ME, JOBS, GROWTH, MORE WAGE, BUY, CONSUME, it is not su(a)stainable 01:13 Fixer it is part of human nature 01:13 Fixer selfdestructive part 01:13 Fixer self-destructive* 01:13 sofar a small growth isn't bad for sustainability, heck even shrinkage would be fine, obviously 01:14 Fixer sofar: nah, it goes into crysis pretty fast, very evident here in Europe 01:14 Fixer sofar: when you have near 0% gdp growth, economists are not comfy with that, worries, debt problems, money injecting 01:15 sofar what you need is like 0.5-1.0% growth, where you hide that some sectors are no longer counted because obsolete 01:15 Fixer with jobless crowd moved into North Korea 01:15 sofar humans need to learn how to shrink 01:15 sofar sadly, I am of netherlands genetics, and tall 01:15 Fixer EU already shrinked, it is other parts that are exploding like a bacteria 01:15 sofar isn't there a new matt damon movie about this coming out? 01:16 sofar https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Md0XJZlbAk 01:16 Fixer poor africa/asia population is skyrocketing 01:16 shivajiva growth isn't sustainable due to the nature of democracy [veiled dictatorship] and the conspicuous consumption driven by greed 01:16 Fixer they need pop regulation, not EU 01:17 Fixer shivajiva: it is simple to fix, wait 100 years, much less resources - prices going up radically, low-mid class destroyed, rethinking of economy, it will be tough 01:18 Fixer humans will wait until it is really bad and later start acting, when it is late 01:18 Fixer bed* 01:18 Fixer sleep time 01:19 Fixer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Essay_on_the_Principle_of_Population 01:20 Fixer people who study economy - knows this thing, it was overly alarming for its time, but its effect may be delayed into our future 01:20 Fixer know* 01:20 shivajiva and so we find ourselves on the spiral arm of a galaxy, pretty much as far out as it gets =) 01:22 shivajiva good job really, we can work our way into the middle destroying everything as we go 01:22 sofar birth control was perfected when child diseases were eradicated 01:22 Fixer sofar: EU is shrinking pretty good, even with tall, it is those africa/asia fuckers "literally" 01:23 Fixer in 100 years Africa/Asia can overrun Europe easily 01:23 sofar EU is still growing .25% - europe is probably shrinking though 01:23 Fixer EU projected population is 500-700 mln iirc 01:23 Fixer Africa will be like 3 billions 01:23 sofar all of europe is 743 million (2015) 01:24 Fixer big part of Europe already lost a loooot of population 01:24 sofar 511 in EU (2016) 01:24 Fixer east is affected worst 01:24 * sofar goes to commute 01:24 Fixer anyway, it is not europe problem 01:24 Fixer africa/asia thing 01:25 Fixer gonna build a wall, right? 01:27 shivajiva one thing I do struggle with is the fact the CO2 went up before the industrial revolution to it's present levels, would explain where all the trees went though 01:29 shivajiva :P 01:37 shivajiva NASA stated all the planets in our solar system are heating up, suggesting some sheer force is in play and we know that we wobble up and down on the lateral plane of our galaxy 01:43 paramat oh dear, this 'scientist who is a christian' site is ridiculous, he's a young-earth creationist for a start 01:44 benrob0329 paramat: \*raises eyebrow at instant rejecting of other scientific views\* 01:46 paramat not a scientist, and his is not a scientific view 01:47 benrob0329 the former is true, the latter is very closed minded of you :-) 01:47 benrob0329 there are many other theories aside from the "many billions of years" that is commonly used 01:49 jas_ how about that minetest? 01:51 benrob0329 jas_: what about what minetest? 01:52 paramat yes, but they're poor theories that few scientists believe 01:53 shivajiva There are 360 days in a year for Brahma and we are in the first day of 51st year. So as per the vedas, the current age of the universe is 155,521,972,944,456 Years which is about 155,522 billion years !!! 01:54 benrob0329 paramat: believe what you will, science is something that has changed drastically over the years, and I refuse to be stuck on any one theory that may or may not be wrong 01:55 paramat anyway, i have a physics degree from the world's top university, so this might explain my views =) 01:56 shivajiva did it teach you matter is degraded antimatter? 01:57 paramat science is not stuck on one theory either, that's what science is about, constantly re-assessing. however you can still have things that are highly probable 01:58 paramat the vedas make much more sense than christianity, as does buddhism 01:58 paramat but, nuff said 01:58 benrob0329 I never said Christianity made sense, it doesnt a lot of times 01:59 ThomasMonroe thats for sure 01:59 benrob0329 which is why I'm not Christian 02:01 ThomasMonroe the word "Christian" gets thrown around alot these days, it could mean anything even related to God(within reason) 02:02 shivajiva you would have to show the lineage ^ 02:02 jas_ athiesm is a hell of a religion 02:02 jas_ g'night! 02:03 shivajiva rofl 02:03 benrob0329 Labels are a hell of a religion 02:33 tumeninodes Oh, I'm sorry wrong room... I was looking for minetest-hub 02:34 tumeninodes no wait? this is the right room. WTF is going on here? and who got sofar so worked up? :P 02:35 shivajiva check the logs ;) 02:36 tumeninodes ha, the proof is always "in the logs" 02:36 shivajiva depending on how you read it xD 02:37 tumeninodes I always read them, the way they best suit my needs ;) 02:37 ThomasMonroe sry my internet cut out, did i miss anything? 02:37 shivajiva 1 line 02:38 tumeninodes miss anything? if you mean "here" no... but plenty has happened across the world in those few moments 02:38 ThomasMonroe oh ok thanks 02:38 ThomasMonroe touche 02:38 tumeninodes hey, don't touche me... 02:38 tumeninodes :P 02:38 ThomasMonroe lol 02:39 tumeninodes I could have sworn I had something to talk about when I headed over here... now I forgot 02:39 shivajiva must be mt related :) 02:40 tumeninodes as a matter of fact it was... At least I think it was 02:41 tumeninodes as I know this is no place for any sort of #uckery 02:41 shivajiva though that covers all sorts judging by the content =) 02:41 * tumeninodes is self censored 02:42 shivajiva I actually meant you must of had minetest in mind when you came to chat 02:43 tumeninodes ... exactically 02:44 ThomasMonroe sometimes I wish contreversial issues weren't so..contreversial 02:44 tumeninodes I certainly would not have come with intent to chat about Doom or global warming heh 02:44 shivajiva lol 02:45 tumeninodes everything today is controversial... that's why we have MT/MTG 02:45 ThomasMonroe true, nor did I, i just made a sarcastic commment and then we started talking about it 02:46 tumeninodes sarcasm rules :D I use it very often. Some say, far too often 02:46 tumeninodes it spices things up 02:46 shivajiva politics and religion are a minefield ;) 02:47 ThomasMonroe with waay too many mines XD 02:47 ThomasMonroe sarcasm is awesome, when used correctly 02:47 tumeninodes just always remember... sofar is not open to sarcasm related to global conditions ; ) 02:47 ThomasMonroe I will from now on ;) 02:48 tumeninodes hey... this is good... off-topic led to something "mine" related 02:48 tumeninodes minefields... sounds like a decent game idea 02:49 shivajiva hehe thought I'd got away with that one 02:49 tumeninodes an ore, which explodes if struck by a pick or exposed to a torch. makes mining.... interesting 02:49 shivajiva lets call it TNT xD 02:50 ThomasMonroe that would dynamite ;P 02:50 tumeninodes : | 02:50 ThomasMonroe be* 02:50 tumeninodes that's my "really?" face 02:50 ThomasMonroe retry 02:50 ThomasMonroe that would be dynamite ;P 02:50 ThomasMonroe -_- 02:50 ThomasMonroe thats mine 02:50 shivajiva or the sweat from dynamite 02:51 shivajiva nitro 02:51 tumeninodes nitro is fun 02:51 ThomasMonroe nitro(us oxide or glycerin)? 02:51 * shivajiva pops tumeninodes balloon 02:51 tumeninodes : | 02:51 ThomasMonroe :D 02:52 ThomasMonroe https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/6788 02:52 ThomasMonroe hmm now why did Travis fail? 02:52 tumeninodes I've never had a balloon... cept for that one 02:53 ThomasMonroe O.O n-n-nev-ver? 02:53 tumeninodes Travis sucks. I never trust anything named... Travis... especially people 02:53 ThomasMonroe lol 02:53 tumeninodes go home travis, no one likes you 02:54 benrob0329 go drunk travis, you're home 02:54 ThomasMonroe oh lol it couldnt install a dep 02:54 ThomasMonroe https://travis-ci.org/minetest/minetest/jobs/316689969 02:54 tumeninodes muahahahahahaha 02:54 tumeninodes travis has no jab 02:54 shivajiva I'll send you a whole box of party ones, zzz o/ :) 02:55 ThomasMonroe :P 02:57 tumeninodes can they be luft???? 02:57 tumeninodes strange that deb could not be pulled 02:57 tumeninodes dep 02:58 tumeninodes derp 02:58 tumeninodes night, don;t forget 99 luft balloons 03:00 tumeninodes benrob, how goes the tardis? I have not been keeping up to date 03:15 benrob0329 tumeninodes: slowly 03:15 benrob0329 but surely 03:24 tumeninodes slowly is fine... it means "done right" and worth the wait. I have fun with it 03:24 tumeninodes I am off to sleepyland... night 03:29 Grandolf benrob, you are doing a tardis? 03:32 benrob0329 Grandolf: yes, have been for a while now 03:33 Grandolf is there a link? 03:33 benrob0329 Still in alpha, going to be some more breaking changes 03:33 benrob0329 Sure *goes to grab it* 03:34 benrob0329 https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=18858&p=300949#p300949 03:44 Grandolf awesome, just wish my tardis had a floor XD 03:57 benrob0329 Grandolf: wat 03:59 Grandolf mi tardis had no floor 0_o 04:00 Grandolf like i fell out bc nothing to stand on except controls in center 04:00 Grandolf lol 04:04 benrob0329 That is..odd 04:04 benrob0329 Are you using MTG? 08:25 Megaf Morning 08:54 CWz what is this error: AsyncErr: ServerThread::run Lua: Invalid float vector dimension range 'x' (expected -2.14748e+06 < x < 2.14748e+06 got -nan). 10:16 CWz gonna re-ask this since few have logged in. what does this error mean and what causes it: AsyncErr: ServerThread::run Lua: Invalid float vector dimension range 'x' (expected -2.14748e+06 < x < 2.14748e+06 got -nan). 10:24 tenplus1 hif olks 10:27 Krock hi tenplus1 10:27 tenplus1 hey Krock, what's new ? 10:28 Krock a few fresh commits on minetest/minetest and the ongoing FCC BS 10:28 tenplus1 *sigh* I heard about the ruling yesterday for net neutrality in the states 10:30 tenplus1 +1'd your attached objects pull... we need 'dis 10:31 Megaf somehow my map got smaller after several clearobjects and vacuums 4.3G map.sqlite 10:31 tenplus1 hi Megaf 10:32 Megaf Hi tenplus1 10:32 Megaf CWz: maybe -dev? 10:32 tenplus1 you should try the map clean script, would shrink map to 2% of it's total size :D 10:33 Megaf explain 10:33 Raven262 Hi ten 10:33 tenplus1 hir aven 10:33 Raven262 Hi Megaf 10:33 Raven262 Hi Krock 10:33 Krock hi Raven262 10:33 tenplus1 Megaf: I have a script that works with sql maps and only saves map blocks that have user items like protectors or torches in them, the rest it deletes :) 10:33 CWz seemd to have been caused by the set home mod 10:34 Megaf tenplus1: terrible 10:34 Krock tenplus1, that's an amazing script :) 10:34 Megaf what about all the mines and tunel networks 10:34 Krock but I guess the air above will have to be re-generated over and over again 10:34 tenplus1 I used it once on Xanadu mk.2 and it shrank the map from 28gb right down to 1014mb 10:35 Krock Megaf, thus, torches. 10:35 Krock map limits are also quite helpful btw 10:36 Megaf tenplus1: you could just wipe air nodes 10:36 tenplus1 yeah, kinda wish you could limit the height of a map and not just the width 10:36 Megaf But even that would be bad on my server 10:36 Megaf Since we have cities underwater 10:36 Megaf and wiping the air nodes would flood the cities 10:36 tenplus1 oof 10:38 Megaf Megaf Server is complex man 10:38 Megaf very complex 10:38 tenplus1 I can imagine 10:38 Megaf some structures are just udnerground carvings 10:38 Megaf theres a guy building a gigantic cathedral underground 10:38 Megaf but just d]carc\ving, digging 10:38 Megaf He has been building it for 4 years 10:38 Raven262 Sounds like something i would build. 10:38 tenplus1 sweet :) gotta give players kudos for using the surrounding landscape to build with 10:39 Megaf And my server is survival 10:39 tenplus1 we banned lava buckets on Xanadu due to player griefing and one dude built around the fiery biomes to hav a lava put in his living room :P 10:39 Megaf the buckets on my server is a mod made by me, just a dummy bucket to use in recipes 10:40 Megaf fire is a dummy fire too, that was before we had settings for fire 10:40 tenplus1 :P we're using rube's bucket mod... lot smaller and works better than default 10:41 tenplus1 also has alternative liquids set for specific buckets 10:41 Raven262 tenplus1, remember that underground town that lisac and I built? 10:42 tenplus1 did ya finish it ? 10:42 Raven262 We had plans that, if we find a lava cave nearby, we are to make a lava tube to lead into the abyss. 10:42 Raven262 Nah 10:42 Raven262 Maybe once :P 10:42 tenplus1 ooh, sounds interesting 10:42 Raven262 Yeah, though i'm not sure that lava would spread around that easily :( 10:43 tenplus1 was gonna add a magma block at one point... very slow timed abm to cause it to move upwards/sideways until it hits air then turns to lava sourec :D 10:43 Raven262 But it would be practical, for killing the mobs that spawn in the abyss 10:43 Raven262 Nice idea 10:43 tenplus1 had a weird feeling it would devastate the map tho :P 10:43 Raven262 Most likely. 10:44 Raven262 Better focus on those lucky blocks xD 10:44 tenplus1 hah, those already DO devastate maps if placed wrong 10:44 Raven262 They only spawn in the lucky block arena, right? 10:44 tenplus1 one of the new traps was spawning 2x dungeon lords and it blew everything up around them that wasnt protected 10:44 Raven262 Wow. 10:44 Raven262 Nice, guess living near the place has its costs. 10:44 tenplus1 they eventually got killed and dropped diamond blocks tho 10:45 tenplus1 arena no.2 has the spleef arena and build battle arena next door, so no actual ppl yet :D 10:45 Raven262 Oh, good for them :P 10:46 Raven262 Now browsing trough all my minetest screenshots on imgur... 10:47 tenplus1 hope you put the good one's on forum :P 10:47 Raven262 Still waiting for somebody to explain this: https://i.imgur.com/vfJ5CdE.png 10:47 Raven262 Not all of them.. 10:50 Calinou hi :) 10:50 tenplus1 hi Cal 10:50 Raven262 Hi Calinou 10:50 Calinou Raven262: that tree is… stoned 10:50 * Calinou hides 10:51 Raven262 Damn. 10:51 Raven262 But seriously, if the dungeon generation is happening after the decorations are placed, why isn't there grass over cobble? 10:52 tenplus1 ? 10:53 Raven262 You know, grass_* is placed on the grassland biome. 10:53 CWz i think could solve this glitch by having home round up the x y z as integers 10:53 Raven262 If the dungeon ceiling is generated on the same height as the dirt_with_grass with a grass_* over it 10:53 tenplus1 I always thought that dungeon generation was done after cavegen and biome layering 10:54 CWz how does one turn floats into integers 10:55 tenplus1 integer = math.floor(float) 10:56 tenplus1 or integer = math.ceil(floor) 10:56 tenplus1 one for lowest, one for highest 10:58 Raven262 Btw, might be on topic, I noticed that voxelmanip won't round up the coords by itself, but will jump over any float it encounters as coord. 10:58 tenplus1 yeah noticed that too when mob api was freaking out with explosions 10:59 Raven262 lol 10:59 tenplus1 you'd think voxelmanip would work properly with floating point coords... 10:59 Raven262 I've been making some air pyramids, but thats not important right now. 10:59 tenplus1 at least round them in engine and not lua 11:00 Raven262 I also expected this, used a for loop which raises coord value by 0.5 each loop, got nothing in return :P 11:00 Raven262 But math.ceil helped 11:00 tenplus1 :) 11:01 Raven262 And the result was: https://i.imgur.com/DSpAfTf.png 11:02 Raven262 I call it the "Obelisk Square" element. 11:02 tenplus1 lol 11:03 Raven262 There is a complete function for generating obelisks too, so this one might get a more complex version of itself too. 11:03 Raven262 And when i mix all of these up, it'll be worth exploring. 11:03 tenplus1 yeah, the caves need to be more entertaining for exploration 11:04 tenplus1 right now they are kinda dull 11:04 tenplus1 was hoping that paramat's map layering addition would help in adding nether-like biomes deep underground and caverealms also using normal mapgen 11:04 Raven262 I also hope for this. 11:05 Raven262 He did add underground decorations recently. 11:05 tenplus1 +100 for that :) below and above(ceiling) decor... I like 11:07 tenplus1 o/ Fixer 11:09 Fixer hello 11:23 Krock Raven262, interesting version number 11:38 Megaf !up 2001:41d0:a:fbe3:0:0:0:1 30003 11:38 MinetestBot Megaf: invalid address 11:39 Megaf !up 5.196.88.227 30003 11:39 MinetestBot 5.196.88.227:30003 is up (13ms) 11:40 Krock !up [2001:41d0:a:fbe3:0:0:0:1] 3000 11:40 MinetestBot Krock: invalid address 11:40 Megaf nice try tho 11:41 Megaf !up "2001:41d0:a:fbe3:0:0:0:1" 30003 11:41 MinetestBot Megaf: invalid address 11:41 Megaf so if internet hangs when getting media, client will freeze 11:47 Megaf ShadowNinja: Heya, you still actively developing areas? 11:48 Megaf shivajiva: ping 11:56 Raven262 Krock, Hexchat or OS version? 11:58 Krock Raven262, Minetest. 11:59 Raven262 Ah 12:00 Raven262 I thought you did ctcp version 12:00 Raven262 Which screenshot though, I have posted some old ones. 12:06 Krock And the result was: https://i.imgur.com/DSpAfTf.png 12:07 Krock apparently a version compiled with the faulty stable-0.4 branch 12:08 red-001 https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=19027 lol 12:09 red-001 how do you even write a bot and not realise you can't use html on most forums 12:13 tenplus1 hah... also hi red 12:16 Raven262 Well, yes, i complied it a while ago, Krock. 12:16 Raven262 I also have an old 0.5 client 12:21 Megaf !up 5.196.88.227 30003 12:21 MinetestBot 5.196.88.227:30003 is up (11ms) 12:22 sfan5 ​!up happens to not support ipv6 12:22 sfan5 because i'm lazy 12:27 Megaf VanessaE: you there? 12:28 VanessaE no. 12:28 VanessaE :P 12:28 Megaf I'm updating my mods now 12:28 Megaf 2017-12-15 12:27:40: [Server] Item "moretrees:apple_blossoms" not defined at position (31,8,9) 12:28 Megaf my as in the mods I have in the server 12:28 VanessaE er 12:28 Megaf and my apple trees lost their apples 12:28 VanessaE never seen that error before. 12:28 Megaf of course not. I'm the best in finding errors 12:29 VanessaE apparently you never got the memo - my coding ability has been temporarily trashed. 12:29 VanessaE so...pull request or bust., 12:29 tenplus1 hi Vanessa 12:29 * tenplus1 trips on an apple 12:29 VanessaE hey tenplus1 12:32 Megaf hm, I cant find any reference to blossoms in the old moretrees either 12:32 Megaf tho I found this https://github.com/minetest-mods/moretrees/commit/54458de4617888c5f9552ffe1ebf472819613dbf 12:33 VanessaE moretrees cooperates with nature_classic in plantlife modpack 12:34 Megaf do I need this? load_mod_plantlife_i18n = false 12:35 Megaf for i18n I undertand as internacionalization 12:36 Megaf well, enabled that and blossoms are back 12:36 Megaf problem solved 12:40 Megaf VanessaE: nevermind, I wasnt loading the mod plantlife. It's all good now 12:40 VanessaE fail :P 12:40 Megaf tenplus1: that must be a good apple 12:40 Megaf ThomasMonroe: greetings 12:40 tenplus1 :P 12:42 ThomasMonroe hey Megaf 12:42 ThomasMonroe hi tenplus1, VanessaE 12:42 VanessaE hi 12:42 Megaf !up 5.196.88.227 30003 12:42 MinetestBot 5.196.88.227:30003 is up (10ms) 12:42 Megaf Ok, server 60% done 12:43 Megaf already playable 12:43 Megaf we have areas, homedecor, plantlife, moretrees, moreblocks and stuff 12:44 tenplus1 hi thomas 12:46 Krock Megaf, but why areas 12:46 Megaf Krock: why not? 12:47 Megaf Krock: mind you, when I added that mod, it was basically the only protection mod arround 12:47 Krock ah. thought it was a new server. nevermind then 12:47 Megaf no, I just bringing my server back online, and to an up to date state 12:48 Megaf Back from Septemeber 2014 12:48 ThomasMonroe o/ Krock would background[] work for the main menu? 12:48 Megaf But Minetest changed so much in this time frame, its quite tricky to update it 12:48 ThomasMonroe oh wait nvmd 12:49 tenplus1 yeah, 0.5 has many new features and changes to deal with 12:49 VanessaE I won't touch 0.5.x with a 10m stick 12:49 Megaf I'm bringing it to 0.4 backport for now... 12:49 tenplus1 ehehehe 12:49 tenplus1 the player model changes are too big 12:50 * Krock gives VanessaE a 11m stick 12:53 Krock VanessaE, would you have a few minutes to remove https://forum.minetest.net/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=22357 entirely? 12:54 tenplus1 hi nathan 12:56 tenplus1 hi Jordach 12:57 Megaf I hate when modders change stuff and forget aliases! 12:57 Megaf 2017-12-15 12:56:34: [Server] Item "streets:sign_mine" not defined at position (8,10,-25) 13:00 Megaf tenplus1: https://github.com/minetest-streets/streets/blob/master/streets_signs/init.lua#L140 13:00 Megaf shouldnt streets:sing_mine be defined? 13:00 Megaf 2017-12-15 12:56:34: [Server] Item "streets:sign_mine" not defined at position (8,10,-25) 13:00 VanessaE Krock: done. 13:01 tenplus1 hi thmas 13:02 ThomasMonroe hey tenplus1 13:02 tenplus1 hi fussel 13:03 * Jordach bleps 13:03 Krock thank you, VanessaE. 13:03 Megaf Thomas-S: You there? 13:03 ThomasMonroe XD I nearly replied to that 13:04 IhrFussel Hello tenplus1 and the others ... does the view range of the client affect the block send distance of the server? I mean is it a check per client or will all client receive max_block_send_distance regardless of the view range? 13:04 Megaf ThomasMonroe: hah, you there? 13:04 Megaf Thomas-S: I'm getting this 2017-12-15 12:56:34: [Server] Item "streets:sign_mine" not defined at position (8,10,-25) 13:05 Krock IhrFussel, I believe it takes the minimum of the client and server settings 13:05 ThomasMonroe ?? 13:06 Megaf ThomasMonroe: ?? what? 13:06 ThomasMonroe didnt understand your last comment 13:06 Megaf ThomasMonroe: I was to Thomas-S 13:06 ThomasMonroe [07:04:28] <Megaf> ThomasMonroe: hah, you there? 13:07 ThomasMonroe that one 13:07 Megaf ThomasMonroe: ah, so so you can reply to it... 13:07 Megaf just so* 13:07 ThomasMonroe oh XD 13:08 Thomas-S Megaf: I'm here now. 13:08 Megaf so, missing alias maybe? 13:08 Megaf or maybe I just have the wrong mod... 13:09 Megaf no, is the right mod 13:09 Megaf with missing aliases 13:09 Thomas-S So, you upgraded from Streets 1.x to 2.0 ? 13:10 Megaf Thomas-S: maybe. No idea 13:10 Megaf I was on master from 1 or two years ago 13:10 Megaf and now did a git pull 13:11 Megaf Thomas-S: Should I just revert to branch streets-1? 13:11 Thomas-S Yes, then you did upgrade from 1.x to 2.0. We don't provide full compatiblity between both versions. However, a node called "streets:sign_mine" exists in 2.0, too. 13:12 Megaf Im just sticking to streets-1 13:12 Thomas-S I think that's maybe best for existing worlds. 13:15 Megaf Thomas-S: streets 1 is broken 13:16 Megaf 2017-12-15 13:15:30: ERROR[Main]: /home/minetest/MegafServer/BinMegafServer/bin/../mods/streets/streetsmod/libs/smartfs/smartfs.lua: No such file or directory 13:16 Thomas-S Megaf: Is this world public? 13:16 Megaf yep 13:16 Megaf its a 5 years old world 13:16 Megaf I can just keep using the old version of streets I have, I just thought it would be a good idea updating it 13:16 Thomas-S Could you maybe try the new version again, and I then come online to see the error? 13:16 Megaf I see I'm mistaken 13:17 Thomas-S Streets 2.0 has many improvements, but it will very likely cause a few unkown nodes. 13:17 Megaf Thomas-S: the new version will not do. since theres no aliases. We made heavy use of streets in the server 13:17 Thomas-S I could try to add the according aliases as needed. 13:17 Megaf I dont want our strcutures to become unknown nodes 13:19 Megaf cp -r ../mods.bkp/streets ../mods/ 13:19 Megaf problem solved 13:19 Thomas-S Good :) 13:23 Megaf 2017-12-15 13:23:23: ERROR[Main]: /home/minetest/MegafServer/BinMegafServer/bin/../mods/castle/ropes/init.lua: No such file or directory 13:23 Megaf castle is broken too 13:24 Megaf ah 13:24 Megaf git recursive for that repo 13:25 shivajiva Megaf: pong 13:25 Megaf shivajiva: I had no idea what I wanted 13:25 Megaf maybe something about your mods 13:25 shivajiva np :) 13:26 Megaf it was something positive anyway 13:28 Megaf is chepie alive? 13:29 Megaf 2017-12-15 13:27:25: [Server] Item "plasticbox:slab_plasticbox_grey_1" not defined at position (-38,17,-23) 13:29 Megaf 2017-12-15 13:27:32: [Server] Item "plasticbox:slab_plasticbox_grey_1" not defined at position (-37,17,-21) 13:29 Megaf I dont know how to fix that ^ 13:29 Megaf I think its a plastic box that was cut with the circular saw 13:29 Megaf Calinou: ^ 13:29 Megaf but now after updates its not working anymore 13:33 Megaf !seen asie 13:33 MinetestBot Megaf: asie was last seen at 2017-10-03 23:44:10 UTC on #minetest 13:43 RobbieF Good morning 13:43 Mr_Pardison Morning RobbieF 13:43 Megaf 2017-12-15 13:42:01: [Server] Item "farming:tomato_8" not defined at position (23,15,-115) 13:43 Megaf 2017-12-15 13:42:09: [Server] Item "farming:pumpkin" not defined at position (-6,12,-107) 13:43 Megaf 2017-12-15 13:42:11: [Server] Item "farming:jackolantern" not defined at position (-2,16,-113) 13:43 ThomasMonroe Morning RobbieF 13:43 Megaf so much stuff to fix... 13:44 VanessaE Megaf: cheapie never extended hardware coloring beyond just the basic block. 13:48 Krock !up 5.196.88.227 30003 13:48 MinetestBot 5.196.88.227:30003 seems to be down 13:51 Megaf nice mod https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=17881 13:51 Megaf Krock: down indeed, another wave of mod updates now 13:54 Megaf !up 5.196.88.227 30003 13:54 MinetestBot 5.196.88.227:30003 seems to be down 13:54 Megaf Krock: ^ 13:54 Megaf what? 13:54 Megaf 2017-12-15 13:53:51: WARNING[Main]: Undeclared global variable "description3" accessed at ...afServer/BinMegafServer/bin/../mods/nixie_tubes/init.lua:147 13:54 jas_ no colon 13:54 Megaf lots of mods seem to have that 13:54 jas_ oh nevermind there's not one already my eye 13:54 Krock they already had that before, Megaf. It simply wasn't reported with older verions 13:54 Krock *versions 13:55 Megaf on the contrary, the old version of castle work, the current shows that error 13:55 Megaf !up 5.196.88.227 30003 13:55 MinetestBot 5.196.88.227:30003 is up (11ms) 13:55 Megaf anyway ^ 13:55 Megaf it will take a long while to download all media tho 13:55 Krock "WARNING[Main]:" " the current shows that error" 13:56 Krock warnings are not errors. you can ignore them 13:56 Mr_Pardison not always. 13:56 Megaf 13:23 2017-12-15 13:23:23: ERROR[Main]: /home/minetest/MegafServer/BinMegafServer/bin/../mods/castle/ropes/init.lua: No such file or directory 13:56 Megaf 13:23 castle is broken too 14:10 benrob0329 Megaf: ERROR[Main] 14:10 Megaf so? 14:11 benrob0329 Its an error, not a warning..or did you mean something else? 14:12 Megaf I never said it was warning 14:12 Megaf I said the mod is broken, castle mod 14:13 benrob0329 Megaf: git submodule --init update 14:13 benrob0329 I think 14:21 * Jordach wishes quassel could organise channels 14:22 Jordach just literally discords fancy interface 14:22 Jordach with an IRC backend 14:22 Megaf nothing like getting your server hacked by a minetest dev using CSM 14:22 Jordach kerk 14:22 Jordach protect your shit 14:22 Jordach i stepped through everything with sofar 14:23 jas_ who's kerk? 14:23 Jordach i meant kek 14:23 jas_ ooh right alright then that makes sense 14:23 Jordach red-001, i didn't realise the channel lmao 14:24 Mr_Pardison kerk is captain kerk of the USSR vessel Communism. 14:24 Jordach usually i'm just on -hub 14:24 Megaf VanessaE: vines, I dislike them 14:24 Megaf very much 14:24 Megaf they look good, but they grow everywhere 14:24 Megaf no stop 14:24 jas_ i type into -dev all the time without looking! (that's why i'm not there haha) 14:24 red-001 #minetest-reverse_furrie 14:24 Jordach uwot 14:25 jas_ you can probably slow them down, megaf 14:26 VanessaE Megaf: so disable the vines mod or yell at bas080 to curtail their growth 14:26 jas_ maybe by adjusting an abm interval, if they're using those i mean 14:26 red-001 Megaf, what happened? 14:26 Megaf red-001: so many things. why you ask? 14:27 VanessaE bbl 14:27 red-001 you seem to be having issue with a lot of mods, so I though I would ask 14:27 jas_ is it from upgrading, megaf? 14:27 Megaf red-001: two mods didnt want to load init.lua 14:28 Megaf castles and something else 14:28 Megaf but castle it was just a git recursive to fix stuff 14:28 jas_ was it in the folder? if it's a submodule, i mean, it's possible it wasn't there 14:32 Megaf eh, it was not an important mod 14:32 Megaf I just wanted to try it out 14:33 jas_ maybe download it manually, or git clone the submodule's url. 14:33 Megaf 2017-12-15 14:33:31: ERROR[Main]: [C]: in function 'error' 14:33 Megaf 2017-12-15 14:33:31: ERROR[Main]: .../bin/../mods/Minetest-WorldEdit/worldedit_brush/init.lua:2: in main chunk 14:33 Megaf that even even enabled in world.mt 14:34 Megaf red-001: jas_ ^ 14:34 jas_ oh wow 14:34 Megaf Im having lots of mods problems because Im enabling lots of mods 14:34 Megaf updating 14:34 Megaf oh, it is enabled 14:34 jas_ you know it's bad when you can't even get to line 3 14:34 Megaf disabled it now, works 14:34 Mr_Pardison >.> 14:35 Megaf jas_: hah 14:36 Megaf oh yeah, so much better now with darkage re installed 14:36 Megaf !up 5.196.88.227 30003 14:36 MinetestBot 5.196.88.227:30003 is up (11ms) 14:36 jas_ !server dcbl 14:36 MinetestBot jas_: dcbl | dcbl.duckdns.org | Clients: 0/20, 0/1 | Version: 0.5.0-dev / dcbl | Ping: 116ms 14:36 Megaf I will leave the server running now for the next couple of hours 14:36 jas_ wow when did that get adde 14:36 Krock !server abcd 14:36 MinetestBot Krock: No results 14:36 Megaf its not public yet 14:36 jas_ no the bot, i thought that was just #minetest, sweet 14:37 jas_ i'm on that server, i guess it takes a minute to show up 14:37 Megaf cya 14:37 jas_ bbfn 14:37 CWz this is all the error gives me: https://pastebin.com/EtXWSVCq anyone experienced this? using 0.4.16 14:38 jas_ those are some pretty big numbers, eh? 14:38 jas_ (i dunno, is that right?) 14:38 jas_ haven't seen that error before 14:51 Krock CWz, yes. some mod of yours divides 1 by 0 14:54 CWz i wonder which one 14:54 Krock or it performs a arcsin operation on a value like 2 or -1.4 14:55 Krock however, many mathematical functions (even math.sqrt) can return nan 14:55 CWz could it be the sethome mod that comes with 0.4.16 14:56 CWz i have a feeling i will need to set a debug build 14:59 shivajiva had a few of those errors, resulted in me checking vectors for validity in a couple of mods to stop the crash 14:59 shivajiva areas was one 15:04 CWz hmm 15:04 CWz was this bug patched? 15:08 shivajiva I never made a pr, I think everyone suffering the error just patched it out in the mods that caused crashes. Don't know where it went from there. Seemed core related though as it happened around 0.4.15 15:10 shivajiva I remember adding the vector check to teleport on skyblocks 15:10 shivajiva I think one case had been left unchecked 15:14 benrob0329 I never paid much attention to Aliveai before, but it's actually really cool 15:15 shivajiva I went through all the mods I was using and patched for nil and NaN checks, it left me with the ubiquitous Lua OOM error once in a blue moon 15:15 shivajiva but it was the only error I caouldn't really trace 15:16 shivajiva -a 15:17 shivajiva I mean how does it produce a OOM within a minute of a restart for a couple of cycles and then stop and behave for a month 15:17 shivajiva it just made no sense 15:18 benrob0329 Technology, amiright 15:20 Mr_Pardison you might be right. 15:21 * Mr_Pardison is listening to Astrophysics for People in a Hurry by Neil deGrasse Tyson 15:21 IhrFussel CWz, That error mainly happens in mods that use a position ... easy fix is to check if pos.x < -31000 or pos.x > 31000 then return end 15:22 IhrFussel I never saw that error again in months after I added that check to all my mods 15:22 CWz what check? 15:22 IhrFussel "if pos.x < -31000 or pos.x > 31000 then return end" 15:23 CWz hmm i wonder why the mod started acting out now 15:24 IhrFussel Look for a variable that gets assigned get_pos() and check for variable.x < -31000/> 31000 15:24 IhrFussel The error is random, happens very rarily but it was enough for me to prevent the crashes 15:38 CWz if it is the areas mod that i suspect foul play on my server. 15:57 shivajiva better to check all axis, as it does seem to occur on different axis 15:58 shivajiva I've seen it on x and z, not sure about y though 16:02 shivajiva I added the check to function areas:getAreasAtPos(pos) 16:02 paramat ~tell Raven262 your screenshot shows a dungeon that has 'overgenerated' over a mapchunk border into a neighbouring already-generated mapchunk, so part of the tree was changed to cooble. in mapgen decorations are indeed placed after dungeongen 16:02 paramat hm no tell 16:03 shivajiva don't you need ! at the start? 16:07 paramat maybe, i thought they were the same, perhaps not 16:08 Krock they're only the same if there's ShadowBot 16:08 Krock you'll need ! for MTB here 16:08 paramat ok thanks 16:08 paramat !tell Raven262 your screenshot shows a dungeon that has 'overgenerated' over a mapchunk border into a neighbouring already-generated mapchunk, so part of the tree was changed to cooble. in mapgen decorations are indeed placed after dungeongen 16:08 MinetestBot paramat: I'll pass that on when Raven262 is around 16:09 ThomasMonroe paramat, does Travis failing affect a PR gettng merged? 16:09 paramat not necessarily 16:10 ThomasMonroe lol ok, because Travis couldn't install a dep during checking my PR 16:11 paramat no problem, we ignore if Travis's fault 16:11 ThomasMonroe kk thanks 16:24 FourFire I'm trying to execute several commands inside minetest.register_on_shutdown() 16:24 FourFire How do i do that? 16:24 Krock minetest.register_on_shutdown(function() cmd1() cmd2() end) 16:26 Krock if these are chat commands, replace cmd1(), cmd2() with minetest.registered_chatcommands["status"].func(name, param) or any other command name you would like to execute 16:35 Krock !next 16:35 MinetestBot Another satisfied customer. Next! 16:35 Mr-Pardison lol 16:43 Megaf back 16:45 benrob0329 Megaf: wb 16:45 Megaf Thanks 16:45 benrob0329 The concept for this Lets Play has changed like 10 times 16:46 benrob0329 First it was going to be western, but since the people I'm doing it with are doing another series (the other game) in western it was changed to steampunk 16:46 jas_ paramat: yes, i misunderstood all over the place. thank you lol : ) 16:47 benrob0329 But steampunk was going to be way too much work, so it was changed to a subgame, then another, and so on 16:47 benrob0329 Now its the Mars survival mod and aliveai 16:47 paramat no problem =) 16:49 Megaf wheres tenplus1? 16:49 Megaf He is not spending much time with us anymore 16:50 benrob0329 It is close to the holidays 16:51 IhrFussel CWz, The areas mod is exactly one case where I added the check 16:59 Krock IhrFussel, why don't you use a log() call before returning? that would help a lot to find out what mods produce that garbage 17:19 IhrFussel Krock, get_pos() causes that garbage 17:19 IhrFussel There is nothing the mods do to get_pos() They simply try to fetch the player pos and at random times the pos seems to return the extreme number 17:20 IhrFussel It mostly happened to areas, vehicle mods, nether on my server 17:21 Krock or caused by set_pos() with wrong values 17:22 Krock which doesn't check against nan values 17:22 IhrFussel But mods cannot overwrite set_pos() to be something non-existent...or can they? 17:27 Krock they can feed it with wrong values 17:31 IhrFussel What? That'e the engine's responsibility IMO to validate pos by mods 17:31 IhrFussel That's* 17:31 IhrFussel Or at least builtin should handle it 17:36 Krock builtin can't do much against that. we need 1) Lua backtraces in this case (we have a pending PR for that) and 2) nan checks 17:36 Megaf Thomas-S: I granted you interact... 17:40 RobbieF Hey gang... A little something from our studio to YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5M7sFGoDmU 17:40 Thomas-S Thanks! 17:41 paramat *sigh* 17:42 benrob0329 Does anyone else feel like we need one or troops very configurable mapgens, rather than 5 semi-configurable mapgens? 17:43 Megaf now darkage decided to not work anymore 17:43 Megaf it was working 17:43 Krock RobbieF, 17:43 Megaf then I added unified inventory 17:43 Megaf and now darkage is crashing 17:43 RobbieF Hey Krock 17:43 Krock are you just the cameraman or acting there? 17:43 Krock hello :) 17:43 RobbieF I'm the "hyperactive" one in the middle :p 17:44 Megaf http://paste.debian.net/1000890/ <- help? 17:44 RobbieF aka DOME 17:44 Krock oh nice 17:44 RobbieF :D 17:45 Krock oh well, IDE is a very wrong term for the PATA drives 17:45 Krock Megaf, get stairsplus? 17:45 RobbieF :p 17:45 Krock !mod stairsplus 17:45 MinetestBot Krock: circular saw for easier handling of stairsplus-nodes by Sokomine - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=4377 17:45 RobbieF I still think it was a good example LOL 17:45 Megaf Krock: why was it working before? 17:46 Krock Megaf, hidden bugs that pop up on runtime execution: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=6140 17:49 * benrob0329 is restraining his comments to avoid making the watershed PR a flame war 17:49 Megaf Krock: still crashing with circularsaw installed 17:49 Megaf and inst circular saw included in moreblocks? 17:49 shivajiva yup 17:50 Krock stairsplus can also be found in moreblocks, yes. 17:50 paramat now another physical threat https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/6778 17:50 Krock or you could try to fix darkage manually as it seems to be not working correctly 17:51 Krock paramat, psychical threat, not physical. 17:51 Krock they won't throw rotten eggs at you :P 17:52 Megaf Krock: tenplus1s farming mod is causing darkage to crash 17:53 benrob0329 Megaf: did you update it? 17:53 benrob0329 (Yet) 17:53 Megaf benrob0329: everything is fresh 17:53 Krock Megaf, how's that possible? sauce please 17:53 Megaf Krock: you are the dev 17:54 Krock Krock, I mean. what darkage mod are you using? there are three of them 17:54 Krock (at least) 17:55 Megaf and tenplusone carts mod is also crashing the server 17:55 Krock s/Krock/Megaf/ 17:55 Megaf http://paste.debian.net/1000892/ 17:55 Megaf his mods used to be quite good... 17:55 Megaf or minetest is so bad now that even good mods crash 17:55 Krock typo from old boost_cart code. replace mesecon with mesecons. 17:56 Krock or remove the detector 17:56 Megaf ok, typo was easy to fix.. 17:57 Megaf still crashing 17:57 Krock nvm, wrong advice. Replacing it won't solve the problem. 17:58 Krock Megaf, huh? in 10+1's version that file is never included 17:58 Krock unless you have the mod "mesecons" enabled in your world 17:59 Megaf http://paste.debian.net/1000894/ 17:59 Megaf Krock: mods ^ 17:59 Krock ah. there we go. missing optional dependency for "mesecons": https://github.com/tenplus1/carts/blob/master/depends.txt 17:59 paramat heh 17:59 Megaf will remove circularsaw 18:00 paramat note pilino1234 is now my new harasser, it's not so obvious to others yet 18:00 Krock minetest.get_modpath returns a non-nil value because the mod is going to be loaded but AFTER carts, as it's not found as a dependency there 18:01 Megaf so? 18:01 Krock Megaf, add mesecons to carts/depends.txt 18:02 Krock paramat, perhaps the map generator needs a bit tweaking. they seem to be disappointed of the current version - nevertheless it's still WIP 18:02 paramat lol 18:02 Mr_Pardison afk lunch 18:03 Megaf the only modder whos mods I have never had ANY problem with is Sokomine 18:03 Megaf And I have lots of mods from her 18:03 Krock Megaf, install boost_cart. It'll (hopefully) work :P 18:04 Megaf Krock: I undid the typos fix and added mesecons to depends, it worked 18:04 Krock now back to the darkage stuff. what version (and from where) did you clone it? 18:06 Megaf 2017-12-15 18:06:07: WARNING[Main]: Undeclared global variable "screwdriver" accessed at ...egafServer/BinMegafServer/bin/../mods/workbench/init.lua:3 18:06 Megaf 2017-12-15 18:06:08: WARNING[Main]: Undeclared global variable "stairsplus" accessed at ...egafServer/BinMegafServer/bin/../mods/darkage/stairs.lua:3 18:07 Megaf could this be causing it to crash? 18:07 Megaf I dont have screwdriver 18:07 Krock no. it's not an error. yet. 18:07 Megaf http://paste.debian.net/1000895/ 18:08 Megaf that only happens when I enable farming from tenplus1 18:09 Thomas-S I think I had a similiar case once when there was a "circle" of mod dependencies. 18:11 Megaf Krock: which darkage mod should I use? 18:11 Megaf I will just restore the old version I had... 18:12 Megaf minetest@Platinum:~/MegafServer/mods$ cp -R ../mods.bkp/darkage . 18:12 Krock the most recent I guess.. no clue. Restore if it works. 18:12 Megaf that fixed it ^ 18:13 Megaf ok, gotta get nether to work now 18:14 Megaf 2017-12-15 18:12:18: ERROR[Main]: mod "nether" has unsatisfied dependencies: "vector_extras" "glow" "riesenpilz" 18:14 Megaf 2017-12-15 18:12:18: ERROR[Main]: mod "throwing_arrows" has unsatisfied dependencies: "throwing" 18:14 Megaf Just leaving that here for reference 18:15 Megaf where to I guet the mod vector_extras from? 18:16 Krock !mod vector_extras 18:16 MinetestBot Krock: More vector helpers [vector_extras] by Hybrid Dog - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=8533 18:16 Krock ^ Megaf, MTB is your friend 18:17 Megaf I was in that forum topic already, totally missed the github link... 18:17 Megaf !mod throwing 18:17 MinetestBot Megaf: Throwing, PilzAdam version [throwing] by PilzAdam - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=2805 18:20 Megaf And how can I fix this? http://paste.debian.net/plain/1000898 18:20 Megaf just restore my old nether mod too? 18:21 Megaf interesting, my old mod was called minetest-nether 18:21 Megaf not netherpack 18:21 Megaf !mod minetest-nether 18:21 MinetestBot Megaf: Could not find anything. 18:22 Megaf !mod nether 18:22 MinetestBot Megaf: Nether [nether] by PilzAdam - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=5790 18:22 benrob0329 Megaf: try paramat's nether 18:24 Megaf From https://github.com/HybridDog/minetest-nether 18:24 Megaf that is the good one ^ 18:25 Megaf but it too crashes in current minetest 0.4 18:26 benrob0329 Megaf: did you enable the whole mudpack? 18:27 benrob0329 *modpack 18:27 jas_ mm muds 18:27 Megaf theres only nether in the pack 18:28 Krock mudpack++ 18:28 Megaf 2017-12-15 18:28:07: ERROR[Main]: ...MegafServer/bin/../mods/minetest-nether/nether/guide.lua:320: bad argument #1 to 'ipairs' (table expected, got string) 18:28 Megaf 2017-12-15 18:28:07: ERROR[Main]: stack traceback: 18:28 Megaf Who is HybridDog on IRC> 18:28 Megaf > 18:28 Megaf ? 18:28 Krock w_laenger 18:28 Megaf !seen w_laenger 18:28 MinetestBot Megaf: w_laenger was last seen at 2017-11-12 09:18:58 UTC on #minetest 18:29 Megaf !tell w_laenger Nether is broken in latest minetest backport-0.4 18:29 MinetestBot Megaf: I'll pass that on when w_laenger is around 18:29 Megaf !tell w_laenger guide.lua:320: bad argument #1 to 'ipairs' (table expected, got string 18:29 MinetestBot Megaf: I'll pass that on when w_laenger is around 18:29 Krock Megaf, change https://github.com/HybridDog/nether-pack/blob/master/nether/guide.lua#L318 to local tab = minetest.wrap_text(content, guide_size.fx, true) 18:29 Krock (additional true argument) 18:30 Krock that fixes the issue for you 18:31 Megaf ok, now next mod to be fixed is throwing 18:31 Krock o/ IhrFussel 18:32 Megaf 2017-12-15 18:31:35: ERROR[Main]: ...rver/BinMegafServer/bin/../mods/throwing_arrows/init.lua:1: attempt to index global 'throwing' (a nil value) 18:32 Megaf 2017-12-15 18:31:35: ERROR[Main]: stack traceback: 18:33 paramat i don't have a nether mod, the one i worked on is PilzAdam's repo, i recommend that 18:33 Megaf I will just not use the throwing 18:33 Krock throwing_arrows? rename to "throwing", I guess 18:34 Krock can't find any mod called throwing_arrows 18:34 Megaf throwing_arrows depend on throwing 18:34 Megaf Ok, server is up 18:34 Megaf lets join and see whats broken still 18:34 benrob0329 Megaf: are both enabled, and depend done right? 18:35 benrob0329 *deps 18:35 Megaf benrob0329: yep 18:35 Krock Megaf, I guess it requires this throwing version: https://github.com/minetest-mods/throwing 18:36 Megaf Thanks, will try soon, Joining the server now to see if Nether and other stuff sis working 18:36 Megaf s/sis/is 18:36 Megaf ^ <- x) 18:36 Megaf !up 5.196.88.227 30003 18:36 MinetestBot 5.196.88.227:30003 is up (11ms) 18:36 Krock !next 18:36 MinetestBot Another satisfied customer. Next! 18:37 Megaf spawn looks good 18:37 IhrFussel Stupid internet not stable today 18:40 Megaf Shara: you still in nether aye? 18:42 Megaf 2017-12-15 18:42:39: [Server] Map::setNode(): Not allowing to place CONTENT_IGNORE while trying to replace "coloredwood:fence_white" at (15,3,485) (block (0,0,30)) 18:42 Megaf Krock: whats that 18:43 Krock that's a set_node() call with a node name that is unknown 18:43 Thomas-S It seems like all coloredwood fences are unkown nodes on your server 18:46 Megaf ok, will just restore from the old version then 18:46 Megaf firefox eating my memory 18:46 Megaf hm, no, something else 18:49 Megaf I had a billion of qemu threads open by libvirt... 18:50 Megaf dont use libvirt 18:55 Megaf VanessaE: moretrees still crashing my server 18:55 Megaf xP 18:56 Megaf wil pastebin, hold on 18:56 Megaf Thomas-S: crashed 18:56 Thomas-S I noticed :) 18:56 Megaf Krock: http://paste.debian.net/plain/1000903 18:56 Megaf VanessaE: ^ 18:57 sofar missing dependency/mod incompatibility 18:58 sofar but, that's not the crash 18:58 Krock no, the error is raised for excessive node finding use 18:58 sofar the palm code is just dumb 18:58 sofar yeah 18:59 Megaf Thomas-S: server up with new streets 18:59 sofar Megaf: is that vanilla/stock moretrees? 18:59 Megaf sofar: from minetest-mods, yes 18:59 sofar we should patch minetest-mods/moretrees to resolve that 18:59 Krock I imagine that takes quite a while to execute that function, so optimizing doesn't only eliminate the error, but also makes the execution faster 19:00 sofar will look in a sec 19:00 Krock there should be heightmaps available for most of the mapgens (if not all) 19:00 sofar that's what she said 19:01 Megaf 2017-12-15 18:58:49: ERROR[Main]: The following mods could not be found: "asphalt" "asphaltstairs" "concretestairs" "constructionarea" "delineator" "emergencyphone" "labels" "manholes" "roadsigns" "roadworks" "steelsupport" "streetlamps" "streetsawards" "streetsconcrete" "streetshotfix" " 19:01 Megaf 2017-12-15 18:58:49: ERROR[Main]: treetsmod" "streetspoles" "trafficlight" 19:01 Megaf Thomas-S: 19:01 Megaf I did git pull from old streets 19:01 Megaf maybe I need a fresh git clone instead 19:02 Thomas-S Please disable all those mods and only enable a mod called "streets" 19:02 Megaf oh boy 19:03 Thomas-S A git clone won't help, world.mt needs to be modified. :) 19:04 Megaf !mod ts_workshop 19:04 MinetestBot Megaf: Could not find anything. 19:04 Megaf Thomas-S: I need that 19:04 Thomas-S https://github.com/minetest-mods/ts_workshop 19:04 Megaf 2017-12-15 19:03:36: ERROR[Main]: mod "castle_gates" has unsatisfied dependencies: "castle_masonry" 19:04 Megaf and what? 19:05 Megaf is that part of streets? 19:05 sofar I don't like how some of those mods are a virtual maze of dependencies 19:05 Krock just enable the entire modpack.. that solves it 19:05 * Jordach wihistles without the baggage of Minetest Game 19:05 Thomas-S The ts_workshop mod is a library for workshop nodes like they are used in streets mod and ts_doors mod. 19:07 Krock Thomas-S, you could reduce the ts_workshop init.lua file size by 960 bytes by replacing ts_workshop[mod][name] with a local table reference called "ws" or similar 19:08 * sofar smacks Krock with sed 19:08 Krock sofar, won't work entirely as two lines must stay as-is 19:08 Thomas-S Thanks, Krock (and sofar), for your suggestion. I'll do this soon. 19:12 Megaf 2017-12-15 19:11:32: ERROR[Main]: ModError: Failed to load and run script from /home/minetest/MegafServer/BinMegafServer/bin/../mods/streets/init.lua: 19:12 Megaf 2017-12-15 19:11:32: ERROR[Main]: Number of registerable nodes (32768) exceeded (streets:sign_us_merge_newlane_center) 19:12 Megaf Thomas-S: ^ 19:12 Krock something important that Minetest hasn't got yet is a mod that gives particular items in a fixed interval, so players can PvP by building towers and fight for their team 19:12 Thomas-S streets.only_basic_stairsplus=true in minetest.conf helps. 19:12 Thomas-S I'll make this the default soon 19:12 Megaf Krock: currency gives money at interval 19:13 Krock Megaf, but then you need an economy to buy items - which is pretty hard for a small team PvP map 19:14 Megaf Thomas-S: streets/minetest.conf? Can I add streets.only_basic_stairsplus=true to mod.conf ? 19:14 Krock or admin shops which have infinite items. not quite handy when it comes to fast reacting 19:14 Megaf I dont want to add stuff to my minetest.conf from mods 19:15 Thomas-S As far as I know, such lines can only be placed in the global minetest.conf. If someone else knows more, please inform us. 19:15 Krock also works in the subgame's minetest.conf 19:16 Megaf !up 5.196.88.227 30003 19:16 MinetestBot 5.196.88.227:30003 is up (10ms) 19:16 Jordach !up jordach.net 19:16 MinetestBot jordach.net:30000 is up (11ms) 19:16 Jordach jej 19:17 Jordach fun fact, that's in paris 19:17 Megaf my server is in France too 19:17 Megaf maybe Paris 19:18 Megaf My server started its life in Brazil, then in a couple of cities in USA, the longest was Atlanta. Then I moved it to Frankfurt and then London, where it was until last month 19:18 Megaf basically 2 years in Atlanta and 2 in London 19:19 sofar ok, gonna peek at moretrees for a sec 19:20 Krock Megaf, just ensure that you know where it is, to not let this happen: http://bash.org/?5273 :P 19:20 sofar 155 mods in minetest-mods, nice 19:21 Megaf Krock: that happened to me once 19:22 Megaf 19:22 [NickServ] Information on Erno (account Erno): 19:22 Megaf 19:22 [NickServ] Last seen : Jan 18 20:34:46 2016 (1y 47w 2d ago) 19:25 Megaf theres one thread in my server that is often at 100% 19:25 Megaf any way I can trace whats causing that? 19:25 sofar mod_profiling? 19:25 sofar but, hard to get working right 19:27 Megaf how I wish we had more threads in MT 19:29 Megaf where vines come from again? 19:29 Megaf plantlife? 19:30 Krock grep -r "vine" 19:30 Megaf found it 19:30 Megaf it is plantlife 19:30 Megaf I dont remember how to stop them from spawning 19:30 Megaf im sure rm -rf vines will work 19:31 Krock sudo rm -rf /* will do it 19:33 Megaf ok, vines removed, darkage mapgen is disabled, bees ABMs are switched off 19:34 Megaf server should run faster now 19:35 Megaf and I just commented out init.lua in vines 19:37 Megaf 2017-12-15 19:36:47: [Server] Item "nyancat:nyancat_rainbow" not defined at position (302,15,347) 19:37 Megaf we lost the nyancat!!!!!!!! 19:37 Megaf my players loved that 19:38 Thomas-S Megaf: https://github.com/Thomas--S/moognu 19:39 Megaf nope, 19:39 Megaf I will readd nyamcat 19:40 Thomas-S I prefer the real nyancats, too, but I was afraid of copyright violations 19:40 Krock well done, Thomas-S. It needs mooore attraction 19:41 Thomas-S Thanks, Krock, but I think that another player had the idea for this mod (maybe tenplus1?), so I decided not to advert it as my mod. 19:41 Mr-Pardison Thomas-S: nicely done with the textures. looks uniform and like it would go nicely in deep caves. 19:41 Thomas-S The textures are by tenplus1 for sure. :) 19:42 Shara Megaf: Probably? 19:42 Krock Thomas-S, already wondered whether I should start writing that moo/GNU mod after I've seen the textures in that issue 19:42 Shara Hi everyone 19:42 Krock hi Shara 19:42 Mr-Pardison Mew shara 19:42 Mr-Pardison what's up? 19:42 Shara Hi Krock and mew Mr P. 19:43 Thomas-S Hello, Shara! 19:43 Shara Hi Thomas :) 19:43 Krock Thomas-S, publish it on the forums :) 19:43 Shara Mr P, not so much. Ambition for tonight is make one MT PR... but we will see. 19:43 Shara It's possible I curl up and sleep instead :) 19:43 Thomas-S Krock: I'll add this to my to-do-list :) 19:43 Mr-Pardison I finally installed fedora yesterday and installed MTG today. 19:44 * Mr-Pardison puts install chrome as the next thing to install on his computer 19:45 Wayward_One hi all :) 19:45 Shara Hi Wayward_One 19:46 ThomasMonroe lol Shara, you pinged me 19:46 Shara You ping on just "Thomas"? 19:47 ThomasMonroe yes 19:47 Shara Sorry, but there are two of you :P 19:47 Krock ThomasMonroe, remove that ping. There's a name conflict 19:47 ThomasMonroe :/ wish I could, but almost everyone on my server calls me Tre or Thomas 19:47 Shara You will probably have to live with it then. 19:48 ThomasMonroe :P I was just making a light-hearted comment 19:48 ThomasMonroe I don't mind being pinged 19:48 Shara So was I :P 19:48 Krock ok Thomas 19:48 Shara And I don't mind if you get pinged :D 19:49 Thomas-S Megaf: There are a few unkown nodes at the space shuttle airport on your server 19:49 Krock Thomas-S, punch them to flood his log files 19:50 Thomas-S I'll punch one of each type, so that he can tell me the itemstrings :P 19:50 Krock doesn't F5 show them? 19:51 Thomas-S Not there. Sometimes it does, but not when needed :) 20:03 Megaf 2017-12-15 19:50:34: [Server] Item "streets:rw_asphalt_solid" not defined at position (-381,8,48 20:03 Megaf 2017-12-15 19:50:36: [Server] Item "streets:rw_sideline" not defined at position (-384,8,488) 20:03 Megaf 2017-12-15 20:02:24: [Server] Item "streets:asphalt_outer_edge" not defined at position (-550,8,813) 20:04 Megaf Thomas-S: ^ 20:04 Thomas-S Thanks, I'll punch a few more now 20:04 Mr-Pardison \o Fixer 20:04 Megaf by the way, you should be having a better experience with world load 20:05 Thomas-S Yes, performance improved pretty much 20:08 Thomas-S Megaf: Could you please tell me the itemstrings? 20:09 Megaf 2017-12-15 20:07:48: [Server] Item "streets:asphalt_side_stair_l" not defined at position (-567,4,738) 20:09 Megaf 2017-12-15 20:07:49: [Server] Item "streets:asphalt_side_stair_r" not defined at position (-564,4,738) 20:09 Megaf 2017-12-15 20:07:28: [Server] Item "streets:asphalt_outer_edge" not defined at position (-574,2,706) 20:10 Thomas-S And this one? 20:10 Megaf sideline 20:10 Thomas-S thanks 20:10 Megaf Thank yoyu 20:10 Thomas-S I'll test a little bit on a local world and then start to write a compatiblity mod. 20:11 Megaf Thanks 20:11 Thomas-S You're welcome 20:13 Megaf why kind of doctor should I see for a knee pain? 20:13 Jordach the doctor 20:13 Jordach *TARDIS noises* 20:13 Megaf lol 20:13 Megaf let me get some coffee and toas with butter, brb 20:16 hoodedice nice to meet you, btw, Shara 20:16 Shara Likewise, good to have you with us :) 20:17 Megaf did you meet in person? 20:17 sofar Krock: Megaf: what do you think of this: 20:17 sofar https://gist.githubusercontent.com/ahkok/f8058bb96b4807b4ff76f8ecd62f170a/raw/61a7c59af4530dd78dd4f80136b6ca8ebae56fc0/gistfile1.txt 20:17 sofar Megaf: try it if you can 20:18 hoodedice no... Just as an introductory greeting, I guess? 20:18 * Mr-Pardison feels he missed something 20:18 Mr-Pardison *scrolls through chat log* 20:19 hoodedice Wayward_One, if you don't mind, what is the exact issue that you were having with Minetest builds for Android? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=12169 20:20 Megaf sofar: I think I dont like Lua 20:20 Shara Megaf: why do you not like lua? 20:21 Megaf Not a pretty languange 20:21 hoodedice Megaf, that's coming a couple years too late xD 20:21 Wayward_One certain breakages earlier in the 0.5.0 dev cycle 20:21 Wayward_One it's being worked on though, and i have yet to try again 20:21 Megaf sofar: codewise seems fine, not sure about the space checking tho 20:22 Krock sofar, looks good. would be the better if there was a better way than looking up the entire area 20:22 Megaf Shara: opinions? ^ 20:22 Shara On? 20:22 hoodedice something not core devs can fix? I want to try getting some experience with compiling for android 20:22 hoodedice *not-core-devs 20:22 Megaf Krock: yep, I don't like the way palm tree checks for space arround 20:22 sofar Krock: this code is a disaster, it would take a rewrite 20:22 sofar Megaf: do you have a sec to test it? 20:22 Krock good enough for a temporary fix 20:22 sofar I wanna make sure it doesn't crashies 20:22 sofar before I push 20:23 Megaf sofar: sure, 20:23 Megaf can you suggest a way to apply the diff? 20:23 sofar cd ...../moretrees 20:23 sofar curl -L https://gist.githubusercontent.com/ahkok/f8058bb96b4807b4ff76f8ecd62f170a/raw/61a7c59af4530dd78dd4f80136b6ca8ebae56fc0/gistfile1.txt | patch -p1 20:23 Megaf my old friend patch -p1 :) 20:23 Megaf like good old days patching the Linux kernel 20:24 Wayward_One hoodedice, this should have fixed it if i understand correctly: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/6628 20:24 Fixer PART FISH @ PART GIRL 20:24 * Wayward_One decides to try it soon 20:24 hoodedice okay, I'll try to see if I can compile it for now 20:24 Krock hoodedice, we're low on android devs, that's why development there is pretty much stalling. See https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/6628 for the most recent fix 20:24 hoodedice Krock, that's what my intention is 20:25 hoodedice to get on the android development side of things 20:25 Shara We certainly need someone working on it. 20:25 hoodedice it'll be a couple weeks before I can do anything substantial, sure, but if I keep trying I should "get it" 20:25 Shara Good luck then, quite seriously. 20:26 Megaf hoodedice: anyone can work on Minetest, and if your work is good you may be invited to join the core dev team 20:26 Megaf hoodedice: you see? It's been 5 or 6 years already and they never invited me. It means my work was never good enough 20:26 * Megaf giggles 20:27 Shara Megaf: how long since you made a PR? :P 20:27 Megaf Shara: not long, 3 or 4 years? 20:27 hoodedice I liked you back when I was a shitposter Megaf and I like you now :D 20:28 Megaf sofar: date palms still working 20:28 Megaf hoodedice: hah, I like you too :) 20:28 * Fixer will test some translucency codes 20:29 Megaf 2017-12-15 20:28:25: [Server] Item "glow:stone" not defined at position (217,-23,81) 20:29 Megaf hm 20:29 Megaf I have glow mod enabled 20:29 hoodedice dev.minetest.net has certificate errors? 20:32 Megaf 2017-12-15 20:32:19: ERROR[Main]: ServerError: AsyncErr: ServerThread::run Lua: Runtime error from mod '' in callback item_OnPlace(): .../mods/homedecor_modpack/homedecor/handlers/expansion.lua:107: attempt to index global 'creative' (a nil value) 20:32 sofar Megaf: awesome, thanks for testing 20:32 Megaf How do I sort that out? ^ 20:33 Megaf and why is it trying to do creative related stuff? 20:34 Fixer man, internet is slow AF today, and I'm not even in US 20:34 Megaf sofar: thatk's for improving it 20:34 * sofar pushes 20:34 Megaf Fixer: you are not the only one complaining 20:35 Fixer omg 20:36 Fixer first translucency code is indeed slow AF 20:36 Jordach my internet speeds have been fine 20:39 benrob0329 Jordach: so have mine 20:39 Fixer 90+/35(trans1)/90+(trans2, blinks) 20:40 Shara I just tested, and also fine 20:40 Megaf Shara: sofars patch? 20:40 Shara Internet, since that was the last talked about thing 20:40 Megaf lol 20:41 Megaf tested here too 20:41 Megaf 17 mpbs 20:41 Megaf on wifi 20:41 Shara I can't test other patches right now, since I am testing something I've been working on myself 20:41 Megaf that is fine 20:41 Megaf that is fine too 20:42 benrob0329 My internet might actually be faster today 20:42 Mr-Pardison testing net speeds now. 20:42 Mr-Pardison this is when tethered to the wall outlet. 20:43 Mr-Pardison 203.9 Mbps download, 3.03 mbps upload. 10 ms latency. 20:44 Jordach http://beta.speedtest.net/result/6883194278.png 20:44 Jordach git gud 20:44 Jordach and this is at peak time 20:44 Shara Jordach: I can't be bothered to pay them more than I do 20:44 Mr-Pardison Jordach: try this one. http://beta.speedtest.net/result/6883194856.png 20:45 Shara But that ping on mine can't be real. 20:45 Shara It's usually about 16 to that test server 20:45 Shara Now 1? 20:48 benrob0329 Shara: very close server? 20:49 IhrFussel The new 5G internet tries to reduce latency for all connections 20:52 Shara about 50 miles away 20:52 Shara It's the default it gives me for testing 20:53 Shara But like I said, usually around 16 20:53 benrob0329 I want a commertial fibre line, then I can set up dedicated hosting from my house :P 20:54 benrob0329 Unfortunately that would be very expensive 20:54 IhrFussel http://www.huawei.com/minisite/5g/en/defining-5g.html ... if all that becomes true 5G will be a wet dream for every internet user 20:57 hoodedice okay, Wayward_One I will ask for help now 20:57 hoodedice If you can guide me on how you last compiled it, I will write documentation for it :) 20:57 benrob0329 IhrFussel: holy.. 20:58 benrob0329 I mean, we only got cable in our area a couple years ago, but 10GB/s would be..glorious 20:59 Mr-Pardison got google fiber in our city but hasn't come to our area yet. 20:59 Fixer sofar: i'm on DSL 20:59 benrob0329 RIP 21:00 Mr-Pardison RIP Fixer. 21:00 Fixer at least it is not dialup 21:00 Fixer i even sometimes have 480p youtube problems, not often though 21:01 Fixer on rare days 720p plays ok 21:01 Mr-Pardison g2g cya 21:02 IhrFussel benrob0329, I don't think it's 10 GB/s ... I read somewhere realistic would be 800 MB/s which is still A LOT 21:02 benrob0329 Indeed 21:03 Fixer with damaged wire by shovel 21:03 IhrFussel I wonder why DSL doesn't evolve like mobile connections 21:03 Fixer "Microsoft is quietly forcing some Windows 10 computers to install a password manager that contains a critical vulnerability disclosed 16 months ago that allows websites to steal passwords, a researcher said Friday." 21:04 Fixer IhrFussel: it evolves, but there are limits on connection 21:04 hoodedice _facepalm_ : found the android build directory with a makefile 21:04 benrob0329 This is why I don't use Windows 21:04 Wayward_One hoodedice, i followed the instructions on the dev wiki, but that appears to be down 21:04 Fixer IhrFussel: those wires are older than you and me combined 21:04 hoodedice Fixer, what's the source for that quote? 21:04 Megaf since everybody is sharing internet 21:04 Megaf http://beta.speedtest.net/result/6883241019.png 21:04 Fixer https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/12/microsoft-is-forcing-users-to-install-a-critically-flawed-password-manager/ 21:05 Wayward_One also, it still fails to compile, but i think there's another pr still waiting 21:05 IhrFussel Fixer, I know that lots of connections still use copper wires, but even the modern ones can't top 1 Gbit/s AFAIK 21:06 IhrFussel At least here in Germany the providers only offer 50,000 or 150,000 max 21:07 IhrFussel But internet in Germany is a joke anyways...luckily the gov recognized that recently and plans to improve it in the next years 21:08 sfan5 the "improvements" they have made so far are mostly a joke too 21:08 Shara Yay, guess who's in Germany next week.... 21:08 Shara You are not making me look forward to the visit :P 21:08 garywhite Since everyone is sharing speeds http://beta.speedtest.net/result/6883250450 21:09 IhrFussel sfan5, they said villages will likely not get fast internet anytime soon but larger cities should improve 21:10 sfan5 Shara: expect to find public wifi barely anywhere 21:10 sfan5 likely not an issue anyway since most mobile plans now include EU roaming 21:10 Megaf garywhite: you are super laggy 21:10 Megaf Skype must be bad 21:10 Megaf 9 ms here :) 21:10 Calinou hi 21:10 garywhite 13ms is laggy? 21:10 Shara sfan5: I don't have a smartphone :) 21:10 Megaf Hi Calinou 21:11 Megaf I wonder what my actuall internet speed would be, with a cable 21:11 hoodedice hi Calinou 21:11 Calinou talking about countries, I have to do a semester abroad next year, so I submitted my choices to the university today 21:11 Megaf Im on 802.11a currently 21:11 Calinou (two universities in Belgium) 21:11 Megaf any Irish? 21:11 Shara Hmm, will be the first time I use my laptop in the country it was bought from 21:12 IhrFussel The free Wi-Fi has a reason: The law didn't "allow" open networks without responsibility...the court just recently confirmed that offering a public Wi-Fi doesn't make you liable as owner 21:12 Fixer lol, i have 40ms 21:12 Fixer 9 ms is insanely good ping 21:13 Fixer when I had dial up, it was about 120 ms or so 21:13 garywhite Megaf: 13ms on WiFi 21:13 ThomasMonroe pings are even worse on satellite XD 21:13 Fixer Calinou: do they offer North Korea unis? 21:13 IhrFussel I'm pretty sure that many companies/services will announce free Wi-Fi hotspots now that they don't need to fear a fine anymore 21:14 Fixer IhrFussel: very nice 21:15 hoodedice in other FOSS related things 21:15 hoodedice I am beginning to quite dislike android for a variety of reasons 21:16 hoodedice I think I will pick up a Purism phone when it comes out next year 21:16 Fixer news flash 21:16 garywhite name 1 hoodedice 21:16 IhrFussel In Berlin the transport company started offering free Wi-Fi for the subway stations and in a shopping mall I used o2 Wi-Fi ... so as long as you are in a large city in Germany and visit some popular place you will have free internet 21:16 hoodedice overdependence on google services out of the box 21:16 Fixer just buy that nokia 1100 or how it is called and don't bother 21:16 Fixer black one with small screen 21:17 garywhite What about the new 3310 21:17 Calinou Fixer: nope 21:17 Calinou hoodedice: yeah, Google is making it really hard to use a FOSS-friendly Android device 21:17 Calinou most high-end devices are very custom ROM-unfriendly today 21:17 Calinou the AOSP apps were all scrapped for Google apps as of newer Android versions 21:17 hoodedice android 7 makes it harder to set up your own ROM as well, since (IIUC: If I Understood Correctly) the /system partition is set up in such a way that modifications to it make a device unbootable (checksum?) 21:18 Calinou nah, I've run Android 7.0 custom ROMs 21:18 Calinou including on a LG G3, which never supported 7.0 officially :) 21:18 Calinou (only up to 6.0) 21:18 Calinou it worked decently 21:18 Calinou unfortunately, the Samsung Galaxy S7 edge is really bad at custom ROMs ("wow samsung") 21:18 Calinou so I'm running the stock ROM, which isn't great for battery life and everything 21:18 Calinou I have that phone for 11 months now, and its battery isn't quite as good as it used to be 21:19 Calinou (still enough for one day, but not two 21:19 Calinou ) 21:19 Megaf Shara: one of the only reasons I have a smartphone is photos with geotagging and tracking my motion, steps, bike rides, and walks 21:19 hoodedice this sony I have is pretty neat 21:19 Calinou talking about bikes/walks… my parents got a new car earlier this week 21:19 hoodedice Xperia X. sd650/3GB RAM for $250 21:19 Calinou as I now have a license, I got to drive it :) 21:19 Calinou it's the first time we have an automatic 21:20 Shara Megaf: I use the internet enough at home, don't want the temptation with me every single place I go 21:20 Shara When I'm ont he move, I'd rather be looking at the world 21:21 Megaf hah, I barerly use my phone on the internet, despiste be having ulimited 3G 21:21 Megaf mostly youtube and important emails 21:21 Shara well, I have a work phone for work stuff 21:21 hoodedice I guess we all would have similar usages of phones 21:21 Megaf ah, I use my phone for 2 factor auth in everything 21:21 Shara but I'll stick to a computer for everything else 21:21 Megaf I have an app with those codes that change all the time 21:22 hoodedice it's like if we know enough about computers, we appreciate the world a little more :^) 21:23 Fixer mine is used as dumb phone + camera 21:23 benrob0329 I am also planning on buying a purism phone 21:24 benrob0329 The Librem5 is even backed by Matrix and NextCloud :D 21:25 hoodedice in related news, has anyone seen this? https://system76.com/pop 21:26 Krock what's that? unix? 21:26 benrob0329 My WM config is more "out of the way" than that GNOME setup 21:27 hoodedice it is a GNOME thing that promises to be "extremely maker friendly" 21:27 benrob0329 Especially if trying to run on low-tier hardware :P 21:27 Krock looks like xubuntu 21:27 hoodedice I just suck at configuring things, so I am intrigued with the window snapping shortcuts they have out of the box 21:27 hoodedice no 21:27 hoodedice it looks more like vanilla ubuntu to me 21:28 benrob0329 hoodedice: why snap, when you can tile? 21:28 benrob0329 Snapping is the poor man's tiling 21:28 hoodedice because I'm used to it on Windows 21:28 benrob0329 Thats not an argument :p 21:28 hoodedice 10 has some amazingly neat snapping, and with them now having virtual desktops as well 21:29 hoodedice I had some pretty neat workflow thingy going 21:30 benrob0329 Thats literally every *Nix desktop since like, the 90s 21:31 hoodedice if I can get the shortcuts for xubuntu's snapping thing, I would be happy 21:31 hoodedice keyboard shortcuts 21:32 benrob0329 + arrow 21:32 benrob0329 Or alt, if its set to be alt 21:32 hoodedice no, it needs to be set up 21:32 hoodedice but I found the options so I'm good 21:33 hoodedice "Switch window for same application" -- oh boy this is so nice 21:33 benrob0329 I've got a nice workflow going with Vim and Syntastic, Tiling, and Firefox in one workspace over 21:33 benrob0329 :P 21:38 hoodedice hi paramat 21:38 Calinou https://lut.im/NntN2YD8Sw/VCrLj9S3VyHObtfV.jpg 21:38 Calinou https://lut.im/6BLHmGzqHw/tyvKY5t82Z3TY9J7.jpg 21:38 Calinou the new car my parents got :) 21:38 Shara Hi paramat 21:38 hoodedice it looks nice 21:38 Calinou I love driving it, it's much better than any other car I've driven 21:39 Megaf folks, how can I use a git command to enter all mod folders and do a git pull in everything? 21:39 hoodedice recursive bash script? 21:39 Megaf with svn I can do just svn update * 21:39 Calinou Megaf: I made a basic script for this: https://gist.github.com/Calinou/93938dc92484bc5e89f0 21:39 Calinou for more elaborate use cases, use https://github.com/earwig/git-repo-updater 21:39 Calinou (uses Python) 21:40 Fixer Calinou: parked somewhat funny into the bushes 21:40 Calinou Fixer: :D 21:40 Krock Calinou, just a meter forward to re-shape the bush definitely 21:40 Krock these ninjas... 21:40 Calinou the car is performing gardening 21:41 Megaf Calinou: I like the second option 21:42 sofar btw, using a gaussion blur on text can be reversed, so don't use it to anonymize license plates 21:43 Krock not as good if you export it with low jpeg quality 21:43 Megaf Calinou: beautiful car 21:43 Calinou sofar: probably made it strong enough, no? 21:43 Calinou pure black is fugly 21:43 sofar that's the problem with blur, even at high strength it can be reversed 21:44 Calinou sounds like https://xkcd.com/538/ to me 21:44 sofar there are only 36 inputs to each letter, so 21:44 sofar deblurring has already led to humiliating hacks without physical access 21:44 Calinou I could have used gaussian blur with a very high value (like 1000) but meh 21:44 Calinou I'll do that next time 21:44 sofar a higher blur doesn't matter 21:44 sofar that's the point 21:45 Megaf "If you don't remember the radius, or you truncated the pixel values by working or saving the image as 8 bit (and then used lossy JPEG compression for good measure destroying data further) then standard inverse filtering will fail spectacularly." 21:45 Calinou the whole square would be one colour 21:45 Megaf sofar: ^ 21:45 Megaf not so easy to reverse 21:45 Calinou yeah, xkcd 538 as usual 21:45 hoodedice just 21:45 hoodedice paint it over with a standard brush 21:45 sofar exactly 21:45 Calinou put emojis over it! 21:45 * Calinou hides 21:45 sofar area select, fill 21:45 Krock well, that would be a great car: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e4/Wienermobile-Bologna.jpg relevant xkcd: https://www.xkcd.com/1698/ 21:45 hoodedice computationally faster than blurring too 21:45 Calinou yeah but that's ugly, it looks completely out of place 21:46 Calinou blurring with a huge radius is the same as filling with an average color anyway 21:46 sofar then copy+paste fake license plate 21:46 Calinou (but you don't have to spend time finding out the average color yourself, so you spend less time doing it) 21:46 hoodedice http://media.wheels.ca/vehicles/2498/2299514/2017-Toyota-Corolla-iM-2299514-1-sm.jpg 21:46 hoodedice this is the car I want to get though 21:47 hoodedice but I won't until I actually get a job 21:47 sofar what are you doing here? 21:47 * sofar shoos hoodedice to get a job 21:47 hoodedice > can't work until February 11 21:47 hoodedice visa restrictions 21:48 sofar I'd still start interviewing :) 21:48 hoodedice and it's december and my resume and github are shit, so I'm working to do things I've wanted to do for a while 21:49 Calinou gotta earn that GitHub money 21:49 hoodedice rofl, nice one Cal 21:50 hoodedice I have money saved up from the years I worked as tech support on campus 21:50 paramat hi. hoodedice see https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6731 21:50 Megaf I will have a job and a wife please. And for dessert a house seasoned with a couple of cars. 21:50 Megaf =/ 21:51 Fixer wifen 21:51 hoodedice thanks param, starred. I will drop everything else and focus on this stuff first 21:56 paramat seems there is more work needed on android build system, see https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/6628 21:58 hoodedice getting an error on irrlicht_download 21:58 Wayward_One same error i got' 21:59 hoodedice found the fix 22:00 hoodedice make a directory in /$android_root/deps called 'irrlicht' 22:00 hoodedice If I look at it further there should be a way to fix the recipe to make this directory if it is missing 22:03 Wayward_One i don't seem to have an android_root, just android/deps with the irrlicht folder already present 22:03 hoodedice yes, that's what it was 22:04 Shara Yay, got there: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/6792 22:04 hoodedice I should've specified, sorry. $android_root was minetest/build/android/ 22:05 Wayward_One ah, okay 22:05 hoodedice Wayward_One, use stu's branch 22:05 Wayward_One Shara, nice addition :) 22:06 hoodedice https://github.com/stujones11/minetest 22:06 Wayward_One okay, i'll try that 22:06 Shara Now to hope they accept it :) 22:06 Shara I want to work on a subgame, and this has felt needed 22:07 hoodedice Makefile:623: recipe for target 'code/stujones11/minetest/build/android/deps/gmp-6.1.2/usr/lib/libgmp.so' failed 22:07 hoodedice this is my current stopping point 22:17 hoodedice it was a dependency error: m4 22:17 hoodedice okay, what's this 22:17 hoodedice typedef __int8_t int8_t; 22:18 hoodedice https://gist.github.com/hoodedice/0c4fff5d89acc158ad49b7a55215893c 22:21 hoodedice ../libtool: line 1766: arm-linux-androideabi-gcc: command not found 22:21 hoodedice looks like I'm missing something on my end again 22:50 Megaf Shara: my last PR... https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/2664 22:53 Megaf Welcome back Thomas 22:54 ThomasMonroe thx 22:54 Megaf nerzhul: paramat: sofar: anything wrong with this PR? https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/6559 22:54 Megaf LGTM 22:59 Shara Megaf: Make some more! 23:07 Megaf 👌 23:09 Megaf That's sfan5 -> 😼 23:09 Shara Can't see it on here 23:10 Megaf 🤷 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 23:10 Megaf Shara: https://emojipedia.org/cat-face-with-wry-smile/ 23:10 Shara Nice 23:10 Megaf Best website of the year ever! ^ 23:14 Megaf Welcome back Mr_Pardison 23:14 Mr_Pardison ty Megaf 23:14 Mr_Pardison Managed to snag the wifi at home and hop on here. 23:19 Megaf Shara: will begin working on a PR in 5 minutes, though I'm sure it won't be merged. 23:22 Shara What will it do? 23:26 IhrFussel Change MT's name JK xD 23:27 Mr_Pardison >.< 23:29 Shara Do it! 23:29 Megaf Gonna make some coffee first 23:29 Mr_Pardison good idea. 23:31 Megaf I wonder if anyone actually use the tools in the subgame minimal to make mods 23:31 Sokomine idea regarding the protector mod (that mod is annoying me again): add a command that locates all protector blocks owned by the player in a given area, lists them and adds or removes another player to those protectors 23:32 Shara Megaf: I make mods using the subgame I plan to use the mod with 23:32 Sokomine megaf: minimal? is that still around? 23:33 Mr_Pardison Sokomine: yes. I've tried it to see what it is all about and it's still bland. 23:34 Shara That's kind of the point 23:35 Mr_Pardison ik. 23:35 Mr_Pardison needs salt. 23:39 Fixer ---- american date notation 23:39 Fixer i hate this crap 23:47 benrob0329 Fixer: whats wrong with date month year? 23:47 Fixer MM-DD-YY < this crap 23:47 Fixer is getting on my nerves 23:49 * Shara uses YYYYMMDD whenever given a choice 23:49 Megaf lovely 23:49 Megaf 2017-12-15 23:48:44: ERROR[Main]: ModError: Failed to load and run script from /home/minetest/MegafServer/BinMegafServer/bin/../mods/castle/castle_tapestries/init.lua: 23:49 Megaf 2017-12-15 23:48:44: ERROR[Main]: ...egafServer/bin/../mods/castle/castle_tapestries/init.lua:76: attempt to index global 'unifieddyes' (a nil value) 23:49 Shara Fixer: I'm european but worked as technical writer for a US company for quite some time... went half mad because some of them tried to format dates as we do to be nice to me. 23:49 Megaf it was working just 30 min ago 23:50 Megaf now is crashing 23:50 * benrob0329 sees so many date formats he ends up using a unix timestamp to name his screenshots 23:50 Shara Never knew who was being "nice" and who was being american 23:50 Sokomine Shara: sounds like complete and utter chaos :-) 23:50 Shara Eventually I made a rule that everyone would write months using letters 23:50 Megaf I'm using dd_Month_yyyy for my stuff like backups 23:50 Megaf like, 23_July_1987 23:51 Megaf or just Jul 23:51 Shara I like year-month-day for files because it orders 23:52 Shara Sokomine: It was... A very special kind 23:53 Megaf unifieddyes fixed, wonder what's going to be the next thing to brake 23:53 Shara My technical writing experience ended in: http://gingercat.tk/pics/08.jpg 23:53 Megaf break 23:54 Mr_Pardison Shara: XD 23:54 benrob0329 Shara: let's be honest though, all our grammar is inferior compare to the likes of Shakespeare 23:55 Mr_Pardison benrob0329: Shakespeare basically created the modern english language. 23:55 Shara Not really. 23:55 Shara Influenced, yes. 23:56 Mr_Pardison Key word was basically. didn't make all of it; just provided stuff. 23:59 Fixer Shara: yes, it is very nice for sorting but... there is like DATE field stored in filesystem anyway for that