| Time |
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| 01:02 |
Roger9 |
https://screenshots.firefox.com/IccjjUYCJohEhE0m/www.mozilla.org proof I'm from the future :P |
| 01:13 |
Calinou |
wow, are you running Arch Linux with the testing repos enabled? |
| 01:13 |
Calinou |
or perhaps Fedora Rawhide? |
| 01:13 |
Calinou |
how are you so up-to-date? :'( |
| 01:32 |
Shara |
ight cause people to dislike me a bit |
| 01:32 |
Shara |
eww.. what? |
| 01:33 |
Shara |
Someone is spamming my client and it made a message jump here. Time to ignore some people it seems. |
| 01:35 |
benrob0329 |
Dungeons now give some low tier equipment now, right? |
| 01:36 |
Shara |
Chests with stuff in them I think |
| 01:36 |
Shara |
I found the contents kind of weird though |
| 01:36 |
benrob0329 |
but nothing super rare, iron pickaxes and diamonds, right? |
| 01:37 |
Shara |
I think there was one diamond item, but that the chance was tiny |
| 01:37 |
benrob0329 |
thanks, making that lore Issue for MTG |
| 01:37 |
Shara |
It really looked like in most cases the chest itself would be the most valuable thing |
| 01:38 |
sofar |
if it can be used by mods to insert items then that would be nice |
| 01:39 |
Shara |
Not sure if it can be or not. I never had time to check it too closely |
| 01:39 |
sofar |
e.g. crops can use it to get rare seeds to the player |
| 01:39 |
Shara |
WIll be good if so though |
| 01:41 |
paramat |
there's an API for defining what's in the chests |
| 01:41 |
Shara |
Awesome then. That might be fun to play with at some point |
| 01:42 |
paramat |
also what's in there by default may possibly need tuning |
| 01:43 |
Shara |
I remember I found the default items kind of silly, but it is nice to just have anything like that at all |
| 01:44 |
Shara |
I'd just say remove the wooden sword (or whatever the wooden item was), because the odds of someone needing wooden tools once they find dungeons are low |
| 01:44 |
Shara |
It ends up being a thing to pick up and delete just so you can take the chest :D |
| 01:45 |
Shara |
(and this guy is really determined to spam me for some reason :( ) |
| 01:51 |
sofar |
ask a freenode ops? |
| 01:53 |
Shara |
Just banned him on one channel, so maybe that shuts him up |
| 01:58 |
Shara |
Yay, seems to have done the job. |
| 02:00 |
paramat |
the rather 'random' items in the chest are intentional, seems more 'realistic' than only putting what is useful for a player |
| 02:00 |
paramat |
hence string hehe |
| 02:09 |
shivajiva |
https://github.com/minetest-technic/unified_inventory/pull/104 |
| 02:10 |
Megaf |
shivajiva: Thanks for that |
| 02:10 |
Megaf |
The scary bit is, maybe there is a reason |
| 02:12 |
shivajiva |
nope I checked it, it really doesn't need to be in the loop, these are filtered items for the player who's privs don't change whilst the list is building |
| 02:13 |
Megaf |
Do you expect much performance gains from this change? |
| 02:13 |
Megaf |
Don't get me wrong, I'm already very happy that you found that |
| 02:13 |
Megaf |
I'm a sucker for cleaner/smaller code |
| 02:14 |
shivajiva |
about 900 less checks on the player when logging in :) |
| 02:14 |
shivajiva |
depends on the size of the inventory obv |
| 02:15 |
shivajiva |
feel free to verify it with a print statement or a counter |
| 02:16 |
Megaf |
I'm totally away from Minetest for the foreseeable future :) |
| 02:16 |
shivajiva |
:( |
| 02:18 |
Megaf |
Unless something big and good happens in Minetest, like I getting elected to be head of somethingh |
| 02:18 |
Megaf |
xP |
| 02:19 |
shivajiva |
Chief Roarer do you? |
| 02:19 |
shivajiva |
obv not ;) |
| 02:21 |
shivajiva |
btw the pr doesn't remove the check it localises the result and uses it for the loop |
| 02:23 |
Megaf |
Chief Roarer, hah |
| 02:33 |
shivajiva |
I'm out for some zzz's, keep the faith Megaf, nothing lasts but nothing is lost ;) |
| 02:34 |
Shara |
Chief Roarer sounds good |
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| 03:16 |
benrob0329 |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/1949 |
| 03:16 |
benrob0329 |
Shara, paramat ^ |
| 03:56 |
paramat |
ok |
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| 09:06 |
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| 09:06 |
tenplus1 |
hi folks |
| 09:09 |
shivajiva |
hi tenplus |
| 09:09 |
tenplus1 |
hi shiva, how's things ? |
| 09:10 |
shivajiva |
good, found the priv call in UI inside a loop so every item forces a priv check |
| 09:11 |
tenplus1 |
sweet, cant wait to see your stats when it's been fiddled with :))) |
| 09:11 |
tenplus1 |
40 million checks down to 3 and a half :DDDD |
| 09:12 |
shivajiva |
reduces it to 11 priv checks once you localise the check outside the loop |
| 09:12 |
tenplus1 |
nicely done dude :P |
| 09:12 |
tenplus1 |
did you add pull ? |
| 09:12 |
shivajiva |
pr done, just waiting for someone to notice ;) |
| 09:12 |
tenplus1 |
checking now |
| 09:13 |
tenplus1 |
? is it in mt or mt-game? cant see pull |
| 09:15 |
shivajiva |
no it's in UI |
| 09:16 |
shivajiva |
the flaw is with Unified Inventory |
| 09:16 |
tenplus1 |
ohhhhhhh, thought it was with the game ui... aha, my bad :PPPP |
| 09:17 |
shivajiva |
:) |
| 09:17 |
shivajiva |
I know it's not your favourite flavour of inventory |
| 09:17 |
shivajiva |
but it's nice on creative servers |
| 09:17 |
tenplus1 |
ui is ok, just a tad heavy :) prefer inv+ or sfinv |
| 09:18 |
shivajiva |
well it just got a tad lighter |
| 09:18 |
tenplus1 |
yaay |
| 09:19 |
shivajiva |
each call to minetest.get_player_privs results in a further call to the auth handler so we save 2 hits per item |
| 09:19 |
tenplus1 |
wowser, that many... jsut as well you noticed that one dude |
| 09:20 |
shivajiva |
sauth has opened the door on auth handling for me |
| 09:20 |
tenplus1 |
it's your calling :D |
| 09:21 |
tenplus1 |
it's always fun to inspect code and try to make it better :D |
| 09:21 |
shivajiva |
I can see what each mod calls and how many times with just a few print statements so it got easy detect |
| 09:21 |
shivajiva |
*to |
| 09:22 |
tenplus1 |
print() is so handy |
| 09:22 |
shivajiva |
most mods check privs somewhere along the line |
| 09:23 |
tenplus1 |
I think this rendition of minetest is having important vars cached for use... many mods doing it already, especiallt creative :D |
| 09:24 |
shivajiva |
I was tempted to add caching to UI for privs to speed it up further |
| 09:25 |
tenplus1 |
every little helps |
| 09:25 |
shivajiva |
we have the button checks and page checks resulting in 8 calls for each page |
| 09:26 |
shivajiva |
but I'd need to hold the full priv table for a player |
| 09:27 |
shivajiva |
guess that's not really an issue with 40 players |
| 09:27 |
tenplus1 |
yeah, 40 player table is fine |
| 09:28 |
tenplus1 |
and on leave it can be cleared |
| 09:28 |
shivajiva |
don't get me wrong it's cached in sauth so there is little overhead other than 2 calls to return the data |
| 09:30 |
shivajiva |
that's why I didn't bother, don't like making copies everywhere |
| 09:30 |
shivajiva |
with default auth that just means a larger table in mem to search |
| 09:31 |
tenplus1 |
would be handy if on player join it copies necessary info into a table for use with mods, and on leave it clears table |
| 09:32 |
shivajiva |
yes that would unload the auth handler but then you have to update 2 locations for priv changes |
| 09:50 |
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| 09:50 |
tenplus1 |
hi nrz |
| 10:10 |
nerzhul |
hi tenplus1 |
| 10:11 |
tenplus1 |
o/ |
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| 11:06 |
tenplus1 |
hi sniper |
| 11:09 |
sniper570 |
tenplus1: Yo! ಠ‿↼ |
| 11:32 |
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| 11:32 |
tenplus1 |
hi lisac |
| 11:33 |
lisac |
hey tenplus1 |
| 11:42 |
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| 11:45 |
tenplus1 |
brb |
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| 12:32 |
Raven262 |
Hi tenplus1 |
| 12:32 |
tenplus1 |
o/ raven... *buurp*... ehe, just finished carbonara |
| 12:32 |
tenplus1 |
how's things ? hi fixer |
| 12:33 |
Raven262 |
Its all.. nice :) |
| 12:33 |
tenplus1 |
ehe |
| 12:33 |
Wayward_One |
hi all :) |
| 12:33 |
tenplus1 |
hi wayward :P |
| 12:33 |
Raven262 |
Hi Wayward_One |
| 12:36 |
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| 12:36 |
tenplus1 |
hi Jordach |
| 12:46 |
jas_ |
hi tenplus1 |
| 12:46 |
tenplus1 |
hey jas |
| 12:46 |
tenplus1 |
whas new? |
| 12:46 |
jas_ |
oh nothing, gonna make some new coffee |
| 12:46 |
jas_ |
what up with you? |
| 12:46 |
tenplus1 |
heh same, already got coffe tho :P mmmm |
| 13:08 |
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| 13:08 |
tenplus1 |
hi Aerozoic |
| 13:09 |
Aerozoic |
hey what's happenin |
| 13:09 |
tenplus1 |
coffee time :P no biccies tho |
| 13:09 |
Aerozoic |
ah ur makin me google first thing in the morning, lol :P |
| 13:10 |
tenplus1 |
biccies = biscuits = cookies |
| 13:10 |
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| 13:10 |
tenplus1 |
wb raven |
| 13:10 |
Raven262 |
thx ten |
| 13:10 |
Aerozoic |
ah ok |
| 13:12 |
tenplus1 |
lisac came up with a good idea for creative inventory, am tinkering with that to see how it would work :D |
| 13:13 |
Aerozoic |
I'm gonna install xubuntu in a few minutes. |
| 13:13 |
tenplus1 |
w00t!, which version ? 17.10 ? |
| 13:13 |
Aerozoic |
um, i gotta check, lol. It's been a few days since the download |
| 13:14 |
tenplus1 |
ehe |
| 13:14 |
lisac |
lol |
| 13:14 |
lisac |
I'm playing DOTA right now with Raven262 |
| 13:14 |
lisac |
I'll assist in a few minutes. :P |
| 13:14 |
Aerozoic |
hmm, the download i got says 16.04.3 |
| 13:14 |
tenplus1 |
hehe, is ok dude, enjoy the game :) |
| 13:14 |
tenplus1 |
am tinkering mostly, nothing working :P |
| 13:15 |
Aerozoic |
Did i get the wrong one? lol |
| 13:15 |
tenplus1 |
16.04.3 is a good LTS release, got a few years support left on that one yet... but if you want newer kernel and software I'd go for 17.10... |
| 13:15 |
tenplus1 |
what kinda machine is it going on ? |
| 13:16 |
Aerozoic |
hmm, i was in kinda a hurry when i downloaded, must've hit the wrong one then. |
| 13:16 |
Aerozoic |
intel i5, integrated graphics, 8gb ram. |
| 13:17 |
tenplus1 |
definitely 17.10 in that case, a lot of work has been done to Intel gfx and will run smoother |
| 13:17 |
tenplus1 |
https://xubuntu.org/release/17-10/ |
| 13:18 |
Aerozoic |
so the download page says 16.04 is the latest lts, so that's why i clicked it. |
| 13:18 |
tenplus1 |
LTS is a great long term support Os for machines that MUST be stable, like production and office based setups |
| 13:19 |
Aerozoic |
oh that's good info about the gfx, i never would've known. |
| 13:19 |
tenplus1 |
if it's your personal Pc then the latest is all good, and I'm using it as well as Xanadu server and it's stable as can be :P |
| 13:19 |
Fixer |
hi |
| 13:20 |
Aerozoic |
I'm not a linux guru though. I'm not good enough yet to fix stuff that breaks. |
| 13:20 |
Aerozoic |
wazup Fixer |
| 13:20 |
tenplus1 |
what you gonna be using the machine for you're installing it on ? |
| 13:21 |
Aerozoic |
personal daily use |
| 13:21 |
tenplus1 |
browsing, movies, downloads, editing, games ? |
| 13:21 |
Aerozoic |
yep |
| 13:21 |
tenplus1 |
17.10 |
| 13:21 |
tenplus1 |
defo |
| 13:22 |
Aerozoic |
So what does that actually mean then? "9 months support" |
| 13:23 |
Aerozoic |
They only push updates for 9 months? |
| 13:24 |
tenplus1 |
9 months but you get newer drivers, newer kernel, latest software available in repo's, and after 9 months you get the option to update to 18.04 which will be the new LTS |
| 13:26 |
tenplus1 |
having the latest mesa/opengl/nvidia/ati/intel gfx helps a lot when it comes to daily use... I get more FPS in 17.10 than I do in 16.04 and that's just minetest :P |
| 13:26 |
tenplus1 |
no more tearing in movies or games also... it all helps |
| 13:26 |
Aerozoic |
haha, i was blaming that junk on my pc |
| 13:27 |
tenplus1 |
I'm using an old net-top pc... running intel atom 1.8ghz and nvidia ion gfx... not the best platform but it flies with newer drivers :D |
| 13:28 |
Fixer |
biccies = biscuits = cookies = bicycles |
| 13:28 |
tenplus1 |
bicycles ???? |
| 13:28 |
Fixer |
bicycles are fun |
| 13:28 |
Fixer |
before cookies though |
| 13:28 |
tenplus1 |
lol |
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| 13:34 |
tenplus1 |
ooh, linux kernel 4.15's new features look awesome |
| 13:35 |
* Aerozoic |
will be heading out to find a good wifi soon XD |
| 13:35 |
tenplus1 |
wifi adaptor or connection ? |
| 13:36 |
Aerozoic |
my only internet is mobile hotspot |
| 13:37 |
tenplus1 |
ohhhh, shame... hope you find a good connection |
| 13:37 |
tenplus1 |
brb |
| 13:39 |
Aerozoic |
"migration of Xfce to GTK3" WUT? i like xfce |
| 13:44 |
tenplus1 |
it handles it well, although I still prefer qt5 |
| 13:50 |
tenplus1 |
https://www.ebuyer.com/739141-lg-25um58-25-ultrawide-ips-gaming-monitor-25um58-p ooooooh |
| 13:52 |
Aerozoic |
ok does 17.10 use xfce? |
| 13:52 |
tenplus1 |
yes |
| 13:52 |
tenplus1 |
xubuntu = xfce desktop |
| 13:53 |
Aerozoic |
ok XD |
| 13:53 |
Aerozoic |
so if it's switching to gtk are they gonna call it gubuntu? |
| 13:54 |
tenplus1 |
xfce uses gtk3 already :) |
| 13:54 |
Aerozoic |
or maybe i just don't know wtf i'm talkin about |
| 13:54 |
tenplus1 |
as does Ubuntu 17.10 since that uses gnome3 |
| 13:54 |
* Aerozoic |
= noob |
| 13:54 |
tenplus1 |
Lubuntu uses LXDE which uses gtk, but... Lubuntu-next uses LXQT which is qt5 based :D |
| 13:54 |
Aerozoic |
gtk3 isn't a desktop, lol. I just now got that |
| 13:55 |
tenplus1 |
gtk is an interface choice, buttons, windows, controls etc... qt5 is a different choice |
| 13:55 |
tenplus1 |
thats the best thing about linux, it's all made up of parts :) |
| 13:55 |
tenplus1 |
you have the freedom to build your desktop the way you want it |
| 13:56 |
Aerozoic |
:) |
| 13:56 |
Aerozoic |
unless you use elementary OS |
| 13:56 |
tenplus1 |
elementary uses gtk |
| 13:56 |
tenplus1 |
but yeah, is kinda limited |
| 13:56 |
Aerozoic |
but then again, that may just have been my ignorance. It wouldn't even let me put icons on desktop. |
| 13:57 |
tenplus1 |
the most configurable desktop manager I've ever used was Enlightenment... so many choices |
| 13:57 |
Aerozoic |
I do think elementary OS is perfect for linux noobs who don't want to really learn about linux. |
| 13:58 |
tenplus1 |
yeah, keep it simple, especially if you are moving from windows or mac |
| 13:58 |
tenplus1 |
then again, even when I was on Windows many moons ago, I replaced explorer with bbLean (blackbox) |
| 13:58 |
Aerozoic |
That's the OS i'll use if i ever convince somebody i know to switch :) |
| 13:58 |
tenplus1 |
Ubuntu Mate is very easy to use... |
| 13:59 |
tenplus1 |
based on the old gnome2 look which was simple and fast |
| 13:59 |
* Wayward_One |
has Mint on his mom's computer |
| 13:59 |
tenplus1 |
but xubuntu us faster |
| 13:59 |
tenplus1 |
mint is really good :) clem has done amazing thigns tehre |
| 13:59 |
Aerozoic |
mate has left a bad taste in my mouth. I had been using Linux Mint Mate since last year and it suddenly quit working, which is why i'm not experimenting with new distros. |
| 14:00 |
tenplus1 |
xfce is nice n simple at least :) less likely to break |
| 14:00 |
Aerozoic |
which is why i'm NOW* |
| 14:01 |
Wayward_One |
I've been using Mint Cinnamon for just about as long as i've had Linux |
| 14:01 |
Wayward_One |
never had a problem (that wasn't my fault :P) |
| 14:01 |
tenplus1 |
cinnamon is very nice and pleasing to the eyes, but heavy for games |
| 14:04 |
jas_ |
2017-11-20 09:01:46: ACTION[Server]: Server: Player with the name "Maxi" tried to connect from 200.117.57.100 but it was disallowed for the following reason: |
| 14:04 |
jas_ |
2017-11-20 09:01:46: ACTION[Server]: Cannot create new player called 'Maxi'. Another account called 'maxi' is already registered. Please check the spelling if it's your account or use a different nickname. |
| 14:04 |
jas_ |
maxi no |
| 14:04 |
jas_ |
!! |
| 14:04 |
jas_ |
oops sorry |
| 14:04 |
tenplus1 |
lol |
| 14:05 |
jas_ |
i saw something happened and thought it'd crashed |
| 14:05 |
jas_ |
that's the first time i've seen that message |
| 14:07 |
tenplus1 |
http://lolsnaps.com/funny/2707615 lol, wonder why we dont have shows like this in UK... I'd watch it :P |
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| 14:08 |
tenplus1 |
hi caleb |
| 14:09 |
CalebDavis |
hi ten |
| 14:09 |
tenplus1 |
:P |
| 14:10 |
Aerozoic |
Why is the iso labbled "amd64.iso"? Intel makes 64 bit processors too |
| 14:10 |
tenplus1 |
amd were the first to introduce 64-bit processors to the market so in honor of them it's called amd64 :) |
| 14:10 |
tenplus1 |
but it works on intel cpu's also :D |
| 14:11 |
Aerozoic |
ok, i'm not a fan if intel btw |
| 14:11 |
Donbatman |
All Hail AMD |
| 14:11 |
tenplus1 |
ehehe, hi Don :P |
| 14:11 |
Donbatman |
Hi |
| 14:13 |
tenplus1 |
what desktop you running Don ? |
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| 14:15 |
tenplus1 |
hi thomas |
| 14:16 |
ThomasMonroe |
hi tenplus1 |
| 14:16 |
Donbatman |
I run Gnome |
| 14:16 |
tenplus1 |
*shudder* |
| 14:16 |
jas_ |
me2 |
| 14:16 |
tenplus1 |
ehehe |
| 14:16 |
jas_ |
om my nicer lappy, slower one xfce |
| 14:17 |
tenplus1 |
to me LXDE is fastest desktop, very lite on resources and games run 100% |
| 14:17 |
Donbatman |
I use LXDE on my slow laptop |
| 14:17 |
jas_ |
no window manager at all is best |
| 14:17 |
jas_ |
or just openbox without lxde |
| 14:17 |
jas_ |
for games, i mean |
| 14:17 |
tenplus1 |
heh, true, but I like the panel :D |
| 14:18 |
ThomasMonroe |
Openbox is pretty fast, and you can use just about any panel with it |
| 14:19 |
jas_ |
https://i.imgur.com/AR1f2fq.png |
| 14:19 |
tenplus1 |
lxpanel is nice :D |
| 14:19 |
jas_ |
alt-f11 is fullscreen |
| 14:19 |
tenplus1 |
my current desky: https://imgur.com/a/mnUg1 |
| 14:19 |
jas_ |
gotta set that in gnome shortcuts |
| 14:19 |
jas_ |
haha |
| 14:20 |
jas_ |
i thought it was something else at first |
| 14:20 |
jas_ |
nice one |
| 14:21 |
tenplus1 |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPmF_2etYrA lololol |
| 14:25 |
Fixer |
Quassel 9 years old bug "DCC chat and file transfers are not yet supported." |
| 14:26 |
Jordach |
>DCC |
| 14:26 |
Jordach |
>2017 |
| 14:26 |
tenplus1 |
hexchat is pretty good for that, although I still use Pidgin for irc |
| 14:27 |
Fixer |
hexchat crashes on windows on net disconnected, bug reported for years, nobody fixed it |
| 14:27 |
tenplus1 |
surprised at that |
| 14:29 |
benrob0329 |
jas_: a tiling WM is even better :P |
| 14:29 |
jas_ |
hm, i wonder if it's this bindable mouse button PR that makes crafting 10 at a time with middle button lag network |
| 14:29 |
jas_ |
and go really slow. when i dig full bones too, takes forever to fill can't be that hrm |
| 14:29 |
jas_ |
tiling wm is nice, nice to have both |
| 14:30 |
benrob0329 |
Fixer: Why use DCC when you can use Matrix :^) |
| 14:31 |
tenplus1 |
wasnt jabber suppose to fix allt hat |
| 14:32 |
benrob0329 |
tenplus1: yeah, but XMPP sucks |
| 14:32 |
tenplus1 |
lololol |
| 14:33 |
benrob0329 |
No good clients, XML, chats are centralized, everything is a complicated substandard and no two clients support the same things |
| 14:33 |
tenplus1 |
too much chat separation... we need a network that does it all (if possible( |
| 14:35 |
benrob0329 |
But just to top it all off, in order to support VoIP on XMPP, you have to use Google's library or write your own |
| 14:35 |
benrob0329 |
tenplus1: I'm connected to IRC through matrix |
| 14:36 |
tenplus1 |
pidgin doesnt suport it so I dont use it |
| 14:37 |
Fixer |
it went worse |
| 14:37 |
Fixer |
remember we had icq and skype at most? |
| 14:37 |
Fixer |
now it is shitton of crap that even requires your phone |
| 14:38 |
benrob0329 |
tenplus1: thats like saying the Skype client doesn't support IRC, so I won't use IRC |
| 14:38 |
tenplus1 |
WhatsApp is slowly getting better and once that's on dekstop I have a feeling many ppl will be using it |
| 14:38 |
tenplus1 |
lol... I use Pidgin for my chat needs and it has a plugin for google and irc, so I use those... |
| 14:39 |
benrob0329 |
Matrix acts like Pidgin in that it bridges a lot of chat systems |
| 14:39 |
tenplus1 |
what's the linux client called for that / |
| 14:39 |
benrob0329 |
But, there is a pidgin plugin |
| 14:39 |
tenplus1 |
ooh, checking |
| 14:40 |
benrob0329 |
As of rich now, Riot is the best client (most mature, most features supported) |
| 14:41 |
benrob0329 |
But there are other clients with varying maturity |
| 14:42 |
benrob0329 |
If you use other clients, you will miss out on some features (at least until they're supported) |
| 14:43 |
benrob0329 |
tenplus1: https://github.com/matrix-org/purple-matrix/ |
| 14:44 |
tenplus1 |
am looking at that in repo just now :D |
| 14:44 |
tenplus1 |
eheheh |
| 14:45 |
benrob0329 |
Unfortunately its early alpha at best |
| 14:45 |
tenplus1 |
irc does what I need for now, so until I feel the need to connect to matrix I'll wait until beta |
| 14:46 |
benrob0329 |
*sigh* very well |
| 14:46 |
tenplus1 |
lol |
| 14:46 |
tenplus1 |
what do you use it for mostly ? |
| 14:47 |
Fixer |
"This project is somewhat alpha, and only basic functionality has been implemented" |
| 14:47 |
benrob0329 |
https://www.xkcd.com/1782/ |
| 14:48 |
tenplus1 |
hehehe nice one |
| 14:48 |
benrob0329 |
tenplus1: General chat, connecting to IRC, occasionaly voip |
| 14:49 |
benrob0329 |
I'm an admin in a few room in Matrix land :P |
| 14:49 |
benrob0329 |
Our Minetest room needs more love :-( |
| 14:50 |
benrob0329 |
Oo, I could announce it on the forums! |
| 14:51 |
ThomasMonroe |
matrix? |
| 14:51 |
tenplus1 |
this room is more than enough for me :P |
| 14:51 |
ThomasMonroe |
what's that? |
| 14:51 |
benrob0329 |
ThomasMonroe: open source, decentralized, federated chat protocol |
| 14:51 |
ThomasMonroe |
noice |
| 14:52 |
ThomasMonroe |
so its peer-to-peer? |
| 14:53 |
tenplus1 |
brb |
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| 14:54 |
tenplus1 |
back... plugin installed |
| 14:55 |
benrob0329 |
ThomasMonroe: its server based, but rooms are synced between servers so they still exist if one goes down |
| 14:55 |
tenplus1 |
do I need to register nick on browser first benrob ? |
| 14:55 |
benrob0329 |
tenplus1: you'll need an account |
| 14:56 |
benrob0329 |
Probably will have to use riot for some stuff (like registering) |
| 14:56 |
tenplus1 |
so I cant do it on line ? I need to install specific chat prog ? |
| 14:56 |
benrob0329 |
https://riot.im/app |
| 14:56 |
benrob0329 |
Yes, riot is web based |
| 14:57 |
benrob0329 |
You can auth via email or phone |
| 14:58 |
tenplus1 |
gimmie one of your chat rooms to test |
| 14:59 |
benrob0329 |
!CbWGSqXrUpGnRUglfe:matrix.org |
| 14:59 |
benrob0329 |
I'd give you a nicer address but that plugin doesnt support aliases |
| 14:59 |
tenplus1 |
it's ok... am using pidgin to connect |
| 15:03 |
benrob0329 |
tenplus1: you could install riot on your phone, then catch up on irc without booting the computer :P |
| 15:03 |
tenplus1 |
no thanks, lolol... I only chat to folk on my desktop... phone is for personal calls only |
| 15:06 |
jas_ |
you can use weechat on your desktop and weechat relay client on your phone too |
| 15:06 |
benrob0329 |
jas_: Ohh dear, I did that for a while |
| 15:06 |
benrob0329 |
It worked...but it had issues |
| 15:07 |
jas_ |
i don't check irc too often if i'm not at my computer anyway |
| 15:07 |
red-001 |
I remeber trying it before and the client wasn't great |
| 15:07 |
jas_ |
well you can make a weechat relay or an irc relay |
| 15:07 |
jas_ |
and then use any irc client |
| 15:07 |
jas_ |
but i use glowing bear app, or termux weechat |
| 15:07 |
red-001 |
a lot of lag between sending the message and it being received |
| 15:08 |
benrob0329 |
red-001: things have gotten better, its not perfect but it works |
| 15:08 |
jas_ |
irc? matrix? middle clicking items? |
| 15:08 |
sfan5 |
>use an irc <-> matrix relay to connect to matrix to use a matrix <-> irc relay to talk on IRC |
| 15:08 |
tenplus1 |
hrm... |
| 15:08 |
sfan5 |
next level |
| 15:08 |
tenplus1 |
hi sfan |
| 15:08 |
sfan5 |
hello |
| 15:08 |
benrob0329 |
jas_: there is a weechat plugin :-) |
| 15:08 |
benrob0329 |
Quite a few people use it iirc |
| 15:09 |
jas_ |
no surprise. i just get on irc to come here, tho heh |
| 15:09 |
red-001 |
anyways I said I would implement server mod sending for csm and I got some down time |
| 15:09 |
jas_ |
great |
| 15:10 |
jas_ |
! |
| 15:10 |
benrob0329 |
\>Matrix uses http + json |
| 15:11 |
benrob0329 |
\>mintest lua api supports http and json |
| 15:11 |
Fixer |
sfan5: under some ancient UNIX in few nested virtual machines |
| 15:12 |
benrob0329 |
XKCDE |
| 15:13 |
tenplus1 |
hrm, that one plugin uses 40mb just to run... eek |
| 15:15 |
Fixer |
https://i2.wp.com/virtuallyfun.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/ircii-on-xenix.png?ssl=1 |
| 15:15 |
Fixer |
irc under xenix 2.3.4 |
| 15:16 |
benrob0329 |
Terminal > Emacs Terminal > Neovim terminal > Weechat (IRC) > Bridged Matrix Room > IRC Bridge > IRC Channel |
| 15:16 |
benrob0329 |
Lag: OVER 9000 |
| 15:16 |
tenplus1 |
for matrix ? |
| 15:18 |
benrob0329 |
For that setup, I don't think your messages would make the loop in any less than a minute |
| 15:18 |
benrob0329 |
If you can even type |
| 15:18 |
tenplus1 |
we need FAST connected chat, cause seconds count when talking to someone |
| 15:19 |
Fixer |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/1951 lol |
| 15:20 |
benrob0329 |
tenplus1: Riot is fast when the server isn't overloaded, more people need to scoot to their own servers |
| 15:20 |
red-001 |
benrob0329, whats the minetest room again? |
| 15:20 |
benrob0329 |
Its getting better, Matrix has better funding now |
| 15:21 |
benrob0329 |
#minetest-matrix:matrix.org |
| 15:21 |
benrob0329 |
red-001: ^^ |
| 15:24 |
red-001 |
:( electron |
| 15:24 |
benrob0329 |
red-001: I just use the web page, but you could use a native client |
| 15:25 |
Fixer |
lol |
| 15:25 |
tenplus1 |
I've been with irc since 1995 |
| 15:25 |
tenplus1 |
it's like a relative now :D |
| 15:26 |
jas_ |
me2 |
| 15:26 |
Donbatman |
Everything is relative to where you are now |
| 15:27 |
red-001 |
I was hoping that they wouldn't use username as a user uid |
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| 15:29 |
tenplus1 |
wasnt there an irc chat prog at some time with a voice/video plugin that used irc server to connect 2 ppl directly for video chat / |
| 15:30 |
benrob0329 |
red-001: display names are separate |
| 15:31 |
benrob0329 |
tenplus1: using DCC is apparently very insecure |
| 15:32 |
tenplus1 |
which is why you only accept files from users you know and trust |
| 15:33 |
benrob0329 |
Matrix doesn't have that problem :P |
| 15:34 |
sfan5 |
dcc has been broken since the invention of NAT |
| 15:34 |
red-001 |
iirc it's not as much secure as it removes whatever peusdo-annoyimity a user with a cloak has |
| 15:41 |
benrob0329 |
Oh shoot, just updated to Firefox 57 for Android |
| 15:41 |
benrob0329 |
Its niice |
| 15:42 |
* tenplus1 |
uses "Ghostery" for android... built-in ad blocker |
| 15:42 |
benrob0329 |
uBlock Origin works great :P |
| 15:42 |
tenplus1 |
+100, I use that for ff and chromium on desky :D |
| 15:43 |
benrob0329 |
Works great on mobile :D |
| 15:44 |
tenplus1 |
how is it for memory usage ? my mobi only has 1gb |
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| 15:57 |
benrob0329 |
tenplus1: I cant tell on Android very well |
| 15:58 |
benrob0329 |
Avg is reported to be ~200 megs, but that might be with a lot of tabs open |
| 15:58 |
benrob0329 |
I cant seem to get a current gate for it |
| 15:58 |
benrob0329 |
*usage |
| 15:59 |
tenplus1 |
cilck the [ ] button and it shows apps running, at bottom it shows memory free |
| 16:00 |
benrob0329 |
Oh, dirp |
| 16:00 |
benrob0329 |
I feel like an idiot now XD |
| 16:01 |
tenplus1 |
lol, took me a while to figure it out as well, dont worry :D |
| 16:01 |
tenplus1 |
Ghostery browser uses built in android webengine, so should use less mem |
| 16:01 |
Fixer |
i'm using firefox on android, because adblock |
| 16:01 |
benrob0329 |
212 megs, which is a lot but this is Firefox we're talking about |
| 16:04 |
benrob0329 |
tenplus1: ~350 megs with 10 github tabs open |
| 16:04 |
tenplus1 |
not bad |
| 16:13 |
tenplus1 |
k, ghostery with 10 github tabs open was 2.8mb |
| 16:13 |
tenplus1 |
o.O it cant be that low, surely |
| 16:13 |
benrob0329 |
What the heck |
| 16:14 |
benrob0329 |
WebView might not count towards application ram |
| 16:14 |
tenplus1 |
the ram goes up for ghostery with each tab open, started with 268mb |
| 16:14 |
tenplus1 |
2.68mb |
| 16:15 |
benrob0329 |
I'm thinking web data adds to it, but rendering is considered part of system ui |
| 16:17 |
tenplus1 |
maybe it flushes and only reloads current tab |
| 16:17 |
benrob0329 |
tenplus1: https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/1949 |
| 16:17 |
benrob0329 |
Comment? |
| 16:19 |
tenplus1 |
added |
| 16:20 |
benrob0329 |
I think a different story every time is too much for mtg |
| 16:21 |
benrob0329 |
People dislike the idea of a backstory as it is |
| 16:22 |
tenplus1 |
so long as we have a game to play, something to strive towards then we could all make up our own story as we go along |
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| 16:24 |
tenplus1 |
hi Megaf |
| 16:24 |
Megaf |
Hey tenplus1 |
| 16:24 |
benrob0329 |
Hi Megaf |
| 16:25 |
Megaf |
Hey benrob0329 |
| 16:25 |
Megaf |
Hey all |
| 16:45 |
ThomasMonroe |
hey Megaf |
| 16:53 |
Donbatman |
This is neat. https://www.windows93.net |
| 16:56 |
tenplus1 |
hah, that's funny |
| 16:59 |
benrob0329 |
Donbatman: oh my gooooo... |
| 17:00 |
Donbatman |
halflife never actually loads. it just keeps loading silly things |
| 17:04 |
benrob0329 |
Cat Explorer should be an actual thing |
| 17:05 |
tenplus1 |
http://lolsnaps.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/bce60468e3e54c5792ce872ec677f171.jpg |
| 17:06 |
Donbatman |
FINISH HER! |
| 17:06 |
tenplus1 |
hehehehe |
| 17:11 |
Donbatman |
This is royalty free images. Got to love FREE! https://pixabay.com/ |
| 17:12 |
tenplus1 |
wow, nice one Don |
| 17:14 |
Megaf |
Donbatman, did you try acid? |
| 17:15 |
Megaf |
I like Zkype |
| 17:15 |
Donbatman |
Megaf I don't do drugs |
| 17:15 |
Megaf |
Donbatman, its one of the apps in the link you posted ;) |
| 17:15 |
Megaf |
it's in documents |
| 17:15 |
Donbatman |
lol Megaf. I am trying now |
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sofar |
drug-or-windows93app.com |
| 17:17 |
Megaf |
lol, Acid Box 93 with Acid running in the background |
| 17:17 |
Megaf |
much lol |
| 17:17 |
Megaf |
gotta put this in full screen |
| 17:20 |
Donbatman |
Megaf I can't take this acid. I have the flu and it is making me feel worse |
| 17:20 |
tenplus1 |
heh |
| 17:22 |
tenplus1 |
hrm, acid box is knida lame... try watching Geiss plugin in Winamp while playing some techno |
| 17:22 |
benrob0329 |
Donbatman: pixabay is da best for content creators |
| 17:23 |
benrob0329 |
ProjectM with acid rock/techno cross while ON acid |
| 17:24 |
tenplus1 |
ooh... +1 |
| 17:24 |
tenplus1 |
I may have done that |
| 17:24 |
tenplus1 |
eheheh |
| 17:25 |
benrob0329 |
"Winners Don't Do Drugs" unless your in Oregon |
| 17:25 |
sofar |
I'm a loser then |
| 17:25 |
tenplus1 |
hi sofar |
| 17:25 |
sofar |
haven't done drugs since it was legal |
| 17:25 |
sofar |
not about to start again anyway |
| 17:26 |
tenplus1 |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92D__g-8Fv8 |
| 17:27 |
benrob0329 |
sofar: yeah sure.. its ok, we know why your always so calm in videos ;-) |
| 17:27 |
sofar |
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCELt4nocnWDEnYJmov4zqyA <- much better |
| 17:28 |
benrob0329 |
How its made is the best screensaver |
| 17:28 |
tenplus1 |
lol |
| 17:29 |
Donbatman |
Just say NO to drug! What... if you are talking to drugs it might be too late |
| 17:29 |
tenplus1 |
:P |
| 17:30 |
benrob0329 |
Heh |
| 17:31 |
Donbatman |
Thanks for the link Sofar. I was wondering about my mascara :P |
| 17:32 |
tenplus1 |
I do like the "how it's made" videos :D quite interesting |
| 17:32 |
benrob0329 |
https://youtu.be/L8iG9HqQD_c |
| 17:33 |
benrob0329 |
"A hot iron" >is literally an iron strapped to a mount |
| 17:33 |
Donbatman |
How it's made looks like a cool channel |
| 17:33 |
tenplus1 |
check out the "Worth It!" videos by BuzzFeedVideo... those are pretty good |
| 17:33 |
benrob0329 |
Donbatman: was a Science Channel Show |
| 17:34 |
benrob0329 |
\>buzzfeed |
| 17:42 |
benrob0329 |
I like how someone has already referenced the lore issue as an explanation for something :PP |
| 17:44 |
tenplus1 |
oerkki and dm ? |
| 17:44 |
tenplus1 |
or mese ? |
| 17:48 |
benrob0329 |
The PR fir adding Black Tulips |
| 17:48 |
tenplus1 |
? |
| 17:48 |
benrob0329 |
"Aren't those a myth? Maybe Orekkis cultivated them" |
| 17:48 |
tenplus1 |
dont you already get black tulips irl ? |
| 17:50 |
benrob0329 |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/1950 |
| 17:50 |
benrob0329 |
No, they patched that last week |
| 17:50 |
jas_ |
basic pillar jump -> https://clips.twitch.tv/LongConcernedTermiteDAESuppy <-- weirdest url |
| 17:53 |
Raven262 |
So nice to see #1949 being accepted. |
| 17:53 |
Jordach |
:^) |
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| 17:55 |
tenplus1 |
hi Krock |
| 17:55 |
Donbatman |
Hi Krock |
| 17:55 |
Raven262 |
Hi Krock |
| 17:56 |
Krock |
wow shit |
| 17:56 |
jas_ |
Using a fast tool to dig through protected area. https://clips.twitch.tv/AgitatedCogentCodVoteYea |
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Krock |
hi Donbatman, tenplus1, Raven262 |
| 17:57 |
tenplus1 |
o/ |
| 17:57 |
benrob0329 |
Hi Krock |
| 17:57 |
Krock |
these greetings came all together straight into my face |
| 17:57 |
Raven262 |
Ah, the good old days of thieving. Nice that you reminded me of that, jas_ |
| 17:57 |
Krock |
hi benrob0329 |
| 17:57 |
jas_ |
i didn't realize there was a door |
| 17:57 |
jas_ |
i was actually at it for longer than that clip |
| 17:58 |
Raven262 |
That is generally a bad idea for the protection mod. PLayer should not be allowed to interact with the protected nodes at all. |
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jas_ |
i was pretty shocked the first time i saw it |
| 18:00 |
jas_ |
player went thru like that only it was cobble and he had a wood pick |
| 18:00 |
jas_ |
then dropped it to me |
| 18:01 |
jas_ |
hahaha |
| 18:01 |
Raven262 |
I have gathered so much loot on the servers this way. |
| 18:02 |
Raven262 |
One can basically enter any building |
| 18:02 |
Raven262 |
(this was looooong time ago) |
| 18:03 |
Megaf |
well. Bye HHVM, hello Apache with PHP 7 |
| 18:04 |
sfan5 |
>apache |
| 18:05 |
benrob0329 |
Nginx is where its at |
| 18:05 |
Megaf |
sfan5, you mean you like apache or you hate apache? |
| 18:05 |
sfan5 |
i am judging you for using it, so the latter |
| 18:05 |
Megaf |
sfan5, you nginx fan too? |
| 18:05 |
sfan5 |
yes |
| 18:07 |
sofar |
I used to be an apache fan, but then I took an arrow to the knee |
| 18:08 |
benrob0329 |
Now you're a blow-dryer? |
| 18:09 |
Megaf |
well, things are running so much better now with Apache |
| 18:09 |
benrob0329 |
that's good |
| 18:09 |
benrob0329 |
Now imagine that, but without a giant config file that takes an hour to read |
| 18:10 |
Megaf |
My config file is 3 lines long |
| 18:10 |
sofar |
I wouldn't ever setup another apache unless i really had to |
| 18:11 |
sofar |
too many bad memories :) |
| 18:11 |
Megaf |
I literally just installed apache, changed 3 lines and got my website back online |
| 18:11 |
benrob0329 |
Megaf: your distro must not do the "ship every possible option in the default config" anymore |
| 18:11 |
ThomasMonroe |
how's your server coming along Megaf? |
| 18:11 |
Megaf |
apt-get install php7.0 php6-mysql-mod to install everything I needed and done |
| 18:11 |
tenplus1 |
brb |
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| 18:12 |
Megaf |
ThomasMonroe, as in Minetest Server? |
| 18:12 |
ThomasMonroe |
yes |
| 18:12 |
Megaf |
man, I'm so unhappy and frustrated with Minetest, you have no idea |
| 18:12 |
Megaf |
I will just leave my server down for the near future |
| 18:12 |
ThomasMonroe |
lol I can imagine |
| 18:12 |
Megaf |
the transition from 0.4.14 to 0.4.16 has been going such a pain in the neck |
| 18:12 |
Megaf |
it breaks everything |
| 18:13 |
Megaf |
and mods fill the screen with error messages at light speed |
| 18:13 |
ThomasMonroe |
we encountered that with MM-Survival |
| 18:13 |
benrob0329 |
My servers never last long enough to go through more than one version bump... |
| 18:13 |
Megaf |
but this stupid minetest doesnt say which mod is sending the message |
| 18:13 |
ThomasMonroe |
oh, well that's dumb |
| 18:13 |
Megaf |
I have 100s of mods, I'm not going to trial an error |
| 18:14 |
Megaf |
fuck minetest, really |
| 18:14 |
benrob0329 |
Megaf: the mod doesnt say? |
| 18:14 |
Megaf |
I will just say to my Patreons (yes, I have patreons), sorry, I can't keep up this shit, Minetest devs are too stupid |
| 18:14 |
benrob0329 |
I mean, yes the error should say, file an issue |
| 18:14 |
Donbatman |
Oh dear. Is it a bad time for me to return to minetest? |
| 18:14 |
sofar |
Megaf: any mods in minetest-mods, perhaps? |
| 18:15 |
benrob0329 |
But the mod's own error messages should also say what mod it is |
| 18:15 |
Megaf |
they didnt even get 0.4.16 right, not even the name, it's called .17-dev and they are working on 0.5 that is just incompatible |
| 18:15 |
Megaf |
fuck all that, really |
| 18:15 |
Megaf |
I'm not wasting any more of my time with that |
| 18:16 |
benrob0329 |
Megaf: ....17-dev is not .16 stable |
| 18:16 |
Megaf |
benrob0329, I know, but the tag in Github is broken |
| 18:16 |
benrob0329 |
Since when? |
| 18:16 |
Megaf |
we were discussing about that here couple of weeks ago |
| 18:16 |
Megaf |
I don't want to talk about that |
| 18:16 |
Megaf |
search the logs and/or GitHub issues |
| 18:17 |
benrob0329 |
Megaf: file an issue for error messages not having the mod attached |
| 18:17 |
benrob0329 |
Or don't, someone else will eventually |
| 18:20 |
Megaf |
I can do that |
| 18:20 |
Megaf |
benrob0329, error messages not having the mod attached |
| 18:20 |
Megaf |
there you go |
| 18:21 |
Megaf |
That's the amount of time and dedication I'm willing to put into that right now |
| 18:21 |
Megaf |
sofar, ^ |
| 18:21 |
sofar |
I should do a compat test on 0.4.16 and all of the minetest-mods |
| 18:22 |
sfan5 |
Megaf: the tag on github is not broken |
| 18:23 |
benrob0329 |
Megaf: thank you, now go have a nice warm cup of something to calm down :-) |
| 18:23 |
Megaf |
benrob0329, Having a glass of wine. I'm pretty calm. |
| 18:23 |
Megaf |
benrob0329, I expect a dev to tag my issue and fix the title |
| 18:27 |
Megaf |
sfan5, doing git clone --depth=1 -b stable-0.4 https://www.github.com/minetest.git |
| 18:27 |
Megaf |
results in -- *** Will build version 0.4.17-dev *** |
| 18:27 |
sfan5 |
stable-0.4 is not a tag but a branch |
| 18:27 |
Jordach |
sfan5, this guy loves programming and prefers a more open engine :^) |
| 18:27 |
Megaf |
that's what I mean my broken, it's not ideal |
| 18:28 |
Megaf |
not optimal |
| 18:28 |
Megaf |
getting something called -dev when you request something called stable |
| 18:28 |
Megaf |
it's in the little things, attention to detail |
| 18:28 |
Megaf |
perfection |
| 18:28 |
Megaf |
Minetest is far from that |
| 18:28 |
Megaf |
people just don't care about this things |
| 18:28 |
* Jordach |
looks at personal subgame |
| 18:28 |
sfan5 |
wrong |
| 18:28 |
* Jordach |
whistles |
| 18:28 |
sfan5 |
i told ruben to fix that yesterday |
| 18:29 |
sofar |
Jordach: mind if I join the whistling? |
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| 18:29 |
Megaf |
Didn't we had an issue open about that? |
| 18:29 |
sfan5 |
a PR yers |
| 18:29 |
sfan5 |
y |
| 18:29 |
sfan5 |
yes* |
| 18:29 |
Megaf |
a, PR |
| 18:29 |
Megaf |
right |
| 18:29 |
Megaf |
This? https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/6551 |
| 18:30 |
Megaf |
benrob0329, ^ |
| 18:30 |
Jordach |
sofar, yes |
| 18:30 |
IhrFussel |
Forum signatures can be used for blatant advertising ... something most servers disallow |
| 18:31 |
IhrFussel |
All you gotta do is post once in any server topic and there you go, advertised something |
| 18:31 |
benrob0329 |
Megaf: use the 0.4.16 tag/branch |
| 18:32 |
Megaf |
the branch is called stable-0.4 |
| 18:32 |
Megaf |
and that's the branch I want to use |
| 18:32 |
Megaf |
it is totally fine 0.5 living on master |
| 18:32 |
benrob0329 |
I know, but release is 0.4.16 |
| 18:32 |
sfan5 |
Megaf: use the backports-0.4 branch btw |
| 18:33 |
Megaf |
Roger wilco |
| 18:33 |
Megaf |
wilco == Will Comply == Will do |
| 18:33 |
* sfan5 |
points to the news post whose URL he can't be bothered to find now |
| 18:34 |
* Megaf |
will find |
| 18:34 |
benrob0329 |
sfan5: there's a branch for backports? /me will build for next server |
| 18:34 |
* Megaf |
googles forum minetest backports-0.4 |
| 18:34 |
Megaf |
fails |
| 18:35 |
sfan5 |
news section |
| 18:36 |
Megaf |
benrob0329, ThomasMonroe, only thing I'm waiting for to release the updated version of my server is a new stable 0.4 and a message that shows the mod causing the error message... |
| 18:36 |
Megaf |
Once we have a stable release we can work on the mods |
| 18:36 |
sfan5 |
>new stable 0.4 |
| 18:36 |
sfan5 |
good luck waiting 4 more months |
| 18:36 |
ThomasMonroe |
heh |
| 18:36 |
Megaf |
sfan5, 0.5 coming before that |
| 18:37 |
lisac |
https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/7eb0g3/did_you_hear_about_minetest_a_foss_nearinfinite/ |
| 18:37 |
sfan5 |
0.5 will be after 0.4.17 |
| 18:37 |
Megaf |
I might well just skip 0.4 altogether and go 0.5 |
| 18:37 |
sfan5 |
that loses you 96% of the playerbase |
| 18:37 |
ThomasMonroe |
are there any plans for .6 yet? |
| 18:38 |
sfan5 |
no |
| 18:38 |
* Megaf |
dies |
| 18:38 |
ThomasMonroe |
?? out of curiosity, why not? |
| 18:38 |
Megaf |
ThomasMonroe, common man |
| 18:38 |
Megaf |
just, don't |
| 18:39 |
ThomasMonroe |
lol sorry Megaf, I just want to know where its headed |
| 18:39 |
Megaf |
Minetest has no head |
| 18:39 |
lisac |
Is there a general idea of what we need for 1.0? |
| 18:39 |
lisac |
or rather, first release? |
| 18:39 |
benrob0329 |
I would assume its because nobody knows where its heading |
| 18:39 |
* Megaf |
roars at Shara |
| 18:39 |
CWz |
There won't be a 6, 8 will be so intense it will skip over the other two |
| 18:39 |
Megaf |
CWz, +1 ^ |
| 18:40 |
* ThomasMonroe |
thinks Megaf drank too much wine ;) |
| 18:40 |
Megaf |
ThomasMonroe, I'm only halfway through the glass |
| 18:40 |
Megaf |
and I have no idea if that sentence makes any sense |
| 18:40 |
CWz |
ThomasMonroe, Not sure if he even uses linux |
| 18:40 |
Donbatman |
Can you drink too much wine? |
| 18:40 |
CWz |
Yes. |
| 18:40 |
ThomasMonroe |
^ |
| 18:41 |
Megaf |
Donbatman, you mean me? Or in general |
| 18:41 |
Donbatman |
Megaf either |
| 18:41 |
CWz |
Drinking too much wine could lead to death by gut burst |
| 18:41 |
Megaf |
Donbatman, well, as my mom always said. "The difference between a poison and a medicine is the dosage." |
| 18:41 |
ThomasMonroe |
touche |
| 18:42 |
Megaf |
My mom is a wise mom |
| 18:42 |
Donbatman |
Megaf. I never heard that before. I like it |
| 18:42 |
Megaf |
too mad her son is so stupid |
| 18:42 |
Megaf |
too bad* |
| 18:42 |
ThomasMonroe |
lol same here |
| 18:42 |
Megaf |
hah |
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| 18:44 |
benrob0329 |
Wb tenplus1 |
| 18:44 |
tenplus1 |
back... Simple Skins updated to fix /setskin bug |
| 18:44 |
tenplus1 |
thx ben |
| 18:45 |
ThomasMonroe |
ok I'll tell Caleb |
| 18:45 |
Megaf |
lol https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6654 |
| 18:45 |
Megaf |
benrob0329, ^ |
| 18:45 |
Megaf |
see man? |
| 18:45 |
Megaf |
Time wasted |
| 18:45 |
Megaf |
Minetest devs are stupid, |
| 18:46 |
sfan5 |
"my issue wasn't solved the way i wanted" |
| 18:46 |
Megaf |
my issue was not solved at all |
| 18:46 |
sfan5 |
instead of whining here do something useful and comment why you want it solved differently |
| 18:46 |
Megaf |
I expect people to have brains and use them |
| 18:46 |
sfan5 |
you aren't using yours evidently |
| 18:46 |
Megaf |
for me it's obvious what's the problem is |
| 18:46 |
benrob0329 |
Megaf: would the backtrace pinpoint the mod though? |
| 18:46 |
Megaf |
sfan5, And I said I'm stupid too |
| 18:46 |
sofar |
nobody is getting paid to work on minetest |
| 18:47 |
Megaf |
sofar, don't even start with that |
| 18:47 |
Megaf |
that thinking is a real cancer in the open source world |
| 18:47 |
Megaf |
you dont dont want to do a good job, then just don't |
| 18:47 |
Megaf |
and don't use not getting paid as excuse |
| 18:47 |
sofar |
nobody is here to do a fucking shit job |
| 18:47 |
sfan5 |
Megaf: how does having the backtrace available not solve your problem? |
| 18:47 |
sofar |
fuck off with that attitude |
| 18:47 |
Megaf |
don't blame lack of payment for your incompetence either |
| 18:48 |
sofar |
YOU DONT LIKE IT? TAKE A HIKE |
| 18:48 |
Megaf |
Doing that :) |
| 18:48 |
sofar |
or shut up and start coding |
| 18:48 |
* tenplus1 |
explodes sleeping gas to calm the situation |
| 18:48 |
Megaf |
yesterday I walked 17 KM |
| 18:48 |
Megaf |
just after working out for one hour |
| 18:48 |
sfan5 |
before you go maybe answer my question |
| 18:48 |
Megaf |
and as I said, my server is down, and will stay down |
| 18:49 |
Megaf |
sfan5, I expect to know which mod is sending/causing a message to show up in the terminal/log. Otherwise, I consider the message useless. |
| 18:49 |
Megaf |
Specially a message like that, that could be just now shown at all and ignored |
| 18:49 |
sofar |
you're the one who installed mods that use inadequate logging |
| 18:49 |
sfan5 |
sounds reasonable, you should have commented that on the issue instead of whining here |
| 18:50 |
sfan5 |
sofar: deprecated logging is on the engine |
| 18:50 |
Megaf |
sfan5, alrighty, let me rewrite that thing |
| 18:54 |
IhrFussel |
I also want to add that the "nobody pays me" line is extremely arrogant and stupid if it's about a minor change that could be done in 5 minutes after your dinner |
| 18:54 |
Megaf |
sfan5, better? https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6654#issue-275451770 |
| 18:55 |
sofar |
IhrFussel: I didn't say "nobody pays ME", I said "nobody IS paid" |
| 18:55 |
Megaf |
IhrFussel, he just got pissed of by my stupidity. |
| 18:55 |
sofar |
everyone here is in control |
| 18:55 |
sofar |
*everyone* |
| 18:55 |
Megaf |
If I was in control Minetest would be EXTREMELY different |
| 18:56 |
Megaf |
way smaller and simplerer, with 1/10 of the "features" |
| 18:56 |
sofar |
there's nothing preventing anyone in here from giving me a back scratch and pushing a PR forward |
| 18:56 |
Megaf |
simpler* |
| 18:56 |
IhrFussel |
I wasn't refering to now, I saw that line quite a few times in the past already and just thought it's time to give my 2 cents |
| 18:56 |
Megaf |
and 1/1000 of the bugs |
| 18:56 |
sofar |
or sending sfan5 some good vibes and having him make a PR |
| 18:56 |
sfan5 |
heh |
| 18:56 |
sfan5 |
i'm way too lazy to make a PR |
| 18:56 |
sofar |
(I don't even know what the particular PR would be) |
| 18:57 |
sofar |
I've already suggested to scan minetest-mods against 0.4.16 and fix offenders, essentially |
| 18:57 |
sfan5 |
some minor changes, probably less than 10 lines |
| 18:57 |
sofar |
so it's not like I'm not going to do anything either |
| 18:57 |
IhrFussel |
That seems to be one of the major issues: Creating a PR ... maybe there is some way to post the fix somewhere and let someone else, who knows how to create one, handle the rest |
| 18:58 |
Megaf |
rubenwardy, Krock, can you have a look at this please? https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4564 |
| 18:58 |
sofar |
but I reject when people do this: |
| 18:58 |
Megaf |
maybe it's very quick to fix that ^ |
| 18:58 |
sofar |
<Megaf> Minetest devs are stupid, |
| 18:58 |
sofar |
or |
| 18:58 |
Megaf |
"[Request] Make client timeout if RTT < 0. #4564" |
| 18:58 |
sofar |
<kilbith> yet another short-sighted decision, eh |
| 18:58 |
sofar |
fuck that |
| 18:58 |
sofar |
you want to complain about a technical problem? TOTALLY ok |
| 18:59 |
sofar |
you want to ad-hominem? fuck off |
| 18:59 |
Megaf |
I should have said. "The majority of Open Source devs are stupid" |
| 18:59 |
Megaf |
but that affirmation is wrong anyway |
| 18:59 |
red-001 |
ah the typical kilbith |
| 18:59 |
Megaf |
of course they are not stupid |
| 18:59 |
Megaf |
They are developers after all, not CEOs... |
| 18:59 |
Megaf |
nor desginers |
| 18:59 |
sofar |
\/monday |
| 18:59 |
Megaf |
designers* |
| 19:00 |
Megaf |
again, there's no head in Minetest |
| 19:00 |
Megaf |
no one saying "this is good", "this could be better" |
| 19:00 |
Megaf |
so is not that Minetest devs are stupid, it's just that Minetest is a headless project |
| 19:01 |
Megaf |
no head, nowhere to put the eyes, so Minetest can't see to where it's headed/going |
| 19:01 |
* Megaf |
sips some more wine |
| 19:01 |
* tenplus1 |
joins him |
| 19:01 |
ThomasMonroe |
its a project where people work on what they think is something good to be added |
| 19:01 |
* CWz |
places a pumpkin on minetests head |
| 19:02 |
CWz |
issue solved |
| 19:02 |
tenplus1 |
eheheh hi CWz |
| 19:02 |
CWz |
Another unsatisfied grump, next! |
| 19:02 |
* red-001 |
puts some straw in the pumpkin |
| 19:02 |
Megaf |
LMAO CWz |
| 19:02 |
ThomasMonroe |
lol |
| 19:03 |
benrob0329 |
<sercasm>C55 returning when?</sarcasm> |
| 19:03 |
Megaf |
Minetest 0.3 is so loved because it had a head |
| 19:03 |
Megaf |
Linux has a head |
| 19:03 |
Megaf |
Apple lost it's head |
| 19:04 |
ThomasMonroe |
did C55 ever leave? |
| 19:04 |
Megaf |
no, he is right there -> |
| 19:04 |
tenplus1 |
I think sometimes people just need a break |
| 19:04 |
ThomasMonroe |
^ |
| 19:04 |
Megaf |
or brake... |
| 19:04 |
CWz |
tenplus1, what if they don't have interact. |
| 19:05 |
* benrob0329 |
sips some nice, cold water |
| 19:05 |
tenplus1 |
:P |
| 19:06 |
* Megaf |
tops up his glass of wine |
| 19:07 |
Megaf |
man I love wine |
| 19:07 |
tenplus1 |
what kinda you got ? |
| 19:07 |
Megaf |
a blend, it's red wine, but a blend of 3 different grapes |
| 19:07 |
Megaf |
Spanish wine, from 2011 |
| 19:08 |
tenplus1 |
nice... I tried some japanese sweet wine lately, was pretty good |
| 19:08 |
Megaf |
After 3 years I'm finally closing this. https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1620 |
| 19:09 |
Megaf |
will never be implemented |
| 19:09 |
CWz |
We need to elect a new head |
| 19:09 |
CWz |
who are our options? |
| 19:09 |
ThomasMonroe |
the pumpkin |
| 19:09 |
* Megaf |
votes for the pumpkin |
| 19:10 |
benrob0329 |
c55, paramat, Acts of God |
| 19:10 |
* tenplus1 |
calls in Notch |
| 19:10 |
benrob0329 |
I would say sofar, but he's busy with ITB |
| 19:10 |
benrob0329 |
Lol |
| 19:11 |
CWz |
The issue with the pumpkin is just that, it just the pumpkin, we need the horsemen and his horse |
| 19:11 |
CWz |
the real question is, which dev are we going to behead? |
| 19:12 |
benrob0329 |
The Great Pumpkin for Minetest Head of Design 2018 |
| 19:12 |
CWz |
ooh that Pumpkin |
| 19:12 |
Roger9 |
yey |
| 19:12 |
* PumpkinHead |
just gets the nick PumpkinHead deregistered and groups it to his account |
| 19:14 |
ThomasMonroe |
if you are trying to hide, its not working |
| 19:22 |
Jordach |
can sun and moon texture be overridden by subgames |
| 19:24 |
tenplus1 |
yes, if they include their own texture packs |
| 19:24 |
Jordach |
explain |
| 19:25 |
tenplus1 |
game/mods/default/textures |
| 19:25 |
Jordach |
>default |
| 19:25 |
Jordach |
nice hardcoding |
| 19:26 |
tenplus1 |
game being your game dir |
| 19:26 |
tenplus1 |
anything inside textures shoudl replace default |
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| 19:28 |
tenplus1 |
wb nrz |
| 19:28 |
tenplus1 |
hi Mr_Pardison |
| 19:28 |
Mr_Pardison |
hello. |
| 19:29 |
Mr_Pardison |
At the library today to work on college applications. |
| 19:30 |
tenplus1 |
ooh, good luck with those |
| 19:30 |
sofar |
want me to kick you from this channel so you can concentrate? :) |
| 19:30 |
Mr_Pardison |
I'm fine. |
| 19:30 |
Mr_Pardison |
thx 4 the offer tho. |
| 19:35 |
Fixer |
reading forums about firefox release |
| 19:35 |
tenplus1 |
ff 57 is a lot faster on my intel laptop :) I like |
| 19:35 |
Fixer |
general mood: it is kinda faster, lots of addons are now dead, both ff and chrome are shit, web is full of shit, bring back that opera back |
| 19:36 |
tenplus1 |
Opera was an amazing browser until they chromified it... pah!... even Vivaldi sucketh |
| 19:36 |
Fixer |
yeah |
| 19:37 |
Fixer |
they still cripple the browsers |
| 19:37 |
Fixer |
i just don't understand where soft dev is moving |
| 19:37 |
Fixer |
it is shit |
| 19:38 |
Fixer |
i turn off autoupdate on any freeware I get, seen too many cases when it suddenly turned into shit (even open source programs) |
| 19:38 |
tenplus1 |
I hate that in windows... |
| 19:38 |
tenplus1 |
all the startup programs to auto update everything... |
| 19:38 |
Fixer |
that is disabled too |
| 19:39 |
Fixer |
update does not mean it is good |
| 19:39 |
Fixer |
often it is shitty |
| 19:39 |
Fixer |
you end up with degraded software or even malware |
| 19:40 |
tenplus1 |
I do updates myself so I know what's changing and why |
| 19:40 |
Fixer |
and that -ing UI rewriting |
| 19:40 |
tenplus1 |
checking changelogs etc |
| 19:40 |
Fixer |
not everyone provides changelogs |
| 19:41 |
benrob0329 |
Native addons are asking for trouble imho |
| 19:41 |
tenplus1 |
I have 1 addon for ublock origin |
| 19:43 |
benrob0329 |
uBlock and uMatrix |
| 19:43 |
benrob0329 |
Thinking that uMatrix may be more trouble than its worth |
| 19:43 |
tenplus1 |
heh yup |
| 19:43 |
Fixer |
worst thing is when you have this great program that is suddenly has UI rewrite that makes it totally useless |
| 19:44 |
Fixer |
dumbing down |
| 19:44 |
benrob0329 |
New Firefox UI is really customizable, I dont consider that dumbing down |
| 19:44 |
tenplus1 |
does Firefox and Chrome really need Qt5/GTK support when it can use it's own built-in UI to handle such things using html5 theming |
| 19:44 |
tenplus1 |
that would cut out a LOT of crap and speed things up |
| 19:45 |
benrob0329 |
tenplus1: yes, but people like their GTK themes |
| 19:45 |
benrob0329 |
There would be an outrage |
| 19:45 |
tenplus1 |
true for GUI's that need it... but... for web viewing you could easily use html5 flat themes and only need colour/background changes |
| 19:45 |
benrob0329 |
Weeping, and Gnashing of Teeth |
| 19:46 |
tenplus1 |
I would much prefer speed and memory usage over gtk |
| 19:46 |
tenplus1 |
*less memory usage |
| 19:47 |
Fixer |
example of UI degradation: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/eb/Free_Download_Manager_3.9.png vs https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/52/Free_Download_Manager_5.1.png |
| 19:47 |
sfan5 |
but it's so much more modern!! |
| 19:47 |
tenplus1 |
woah, they dumbed it down for w10 look... no way |
| 19:47 |
Fixer |
benrob0329: no it is not in any way customisable, I've used firefox since like seamonkey |
| 19:48 |
Fixer |
sfan5: FUUUUUUUUCK YOUUUUUU |
| 19:48 |
sfan5 |
:) |
| 19:48 |
tenplus1 |
ehehehe, w10 look n feel sucks... |
| 19:48 |
Fixer |
._. |
| 19:48 |
Mr_Pardison |
w10 is horrible. |
| 19:48 |
tenplus1 |
+1million agreed |
| 19:49 |
Mr_Pardison |
I had it on my ocmputer and it hates me so much now that it gets to the boot screen but doesn't boot. I'm backing up all my files and am going to install fedora. |
| 19:49 |
Mr_Pardison |
*computer |
| 19:49 |
tenplus1 |
I gave up on windows after WinXP SP3 |
| 19:50 |
tenplus1 |
after that they kept adding fluff and it was insecure |
| 19:50 |
Fixer |
windows gives mixed feel, it is kinda full of shit, very full, but they have some innovation like that feature against malware (authorising access to your docs/etc folders) |
| 19:51 |
Fixer |
and that god damn UI rewrite |
| 19:51 |
tenplus1 |
*shudder* |
| 19:51 |
Fixer |
can we just admit METRO was shit and Windows is not TABLET OS, and just move back to standardised interface and drop down this hipster crap? |
| 19:51 |
benrob0329 |
Fixer: sure... |
| 19:51 |
tenplus1 |
I swear they try to dumb things down so that more ppl need to call support and give them money |
| 19:51 |
benrob0329 |
Fixer: that I can agree with |
| 19:52 |
tenplus1 |
windows at one point came with manuals of use, comprehensive guides... now it;s nothing |
| 19:52 |
Fixer |
pff |
| 19:52 |
Fixer |
when you buy that android crap, it has no manual |
| 19:52 |
Fixer |
you have to furiously swype on your screen like you are a monkey |
| 19:53 |
Fixer |
design UI for idiots and only idiots will use it |
| 19:53 |
Fixer |
since when workstation OS became for idiots? |
| 19:54 |
Fixer |
and that "legendary" gnome UI with large everything for tablets that don't exist |
| 19:55 |
Fixer |
user these days was turned into alpha/beta/UI-tester |
| 19:55 |
tenplus1 |
Unity was pretty good, they are going to release an Ubuntu Unity Remix |
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| 19:55 |
Fixer |
and you wonder why so many refuse to upgrade, because upgraded software is degraded piece of shit |
| 19:56 |
Fixer |
and they call you a dinosaur etc |
| 19:56 |
red-001 |
wb ImNotHere |
| 20:00 |
Fixer |
unity is dead iirc |
| 20:00 |
tenplus1 |
nope, there's a group that has taken it over and continues to improve... hence the Ubuntu Unity Edition |
| 20:00 |
Fixer |
mark cut the stuff, wants IPO, sell out that crap and buy that yacht before bubble burst |
| 20:01 |
Fixer |
*simplified* |
| 20:10 |
benrob0329 |
Terminal + a few gui tools = bliss |
| 20:10 |
Fixer |
good UI is welcomed |
| 20:11 |
tenplus1 |
yeah |
| 20:11 |
Fixer |
the problem is those UX-retards dumb good UI down to shit UI, so you end up on old versions, switching software or even OS/ or go insane way - to CMD |
| 20:14 |
Fixer |
console has its uses, it is very powerful, but is needed only in special cases |
| 20:17 |
benrob0329 |
Fixer: the terminal is nice, it doesnt change with every update |
| 20:17 |
benrob0329 |
Both my file manager and text editor are temrinal based |
| 20:18 |
* tenplus1 |
prefers PcManFm and Mousepad :) |
| 20:18 |
benrob0329 |
Simplicity is bliss, both under and on top of the hood |
| 20:19 |
benrob0329 |
That does not mean replace the hood with a perfectly straight piece of metal and call it "modern" |
| 20:19 |
Mr_Pardison |
you call it modern art. |
| 20:21 |
Fixer |
but but it is modern! |
| 20:21 |
tenplus1 |
lolol |
| 20:24 |
Jordach |
https://i.imgur.com/76lsCaE.png |
| 20:24 |
Jordach |
git gud |
| 20:24 |
tenplus1 |
? |
| 20:24 |
Mr_Pardison |
darksouls reference? |
| 20:24 |
benrob0329 |
A big problem I have with modern UI is hiding a menu under a menu under a menu |
| 20:25 |
Jordach |
https://i.imgur.com/tbp5yv3.jpg tenplus1 notice the new sun and moon textures |
| 20:25 |
benrob0329 |
Just to "clean" the interface |
| 20:25 |
tenplus1 |
ohh |
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| 20:26 |
tenplus1 |
hi paramat |
| 20:28 |
tenplus1 |
w00t, the NHS has there own version of Ubuntu in the works... "NHOS" |
| 20:28 |
paramat |
too much OS talk today here, please restrain offtopic, we're not tolerating excessive offtopic anymore |
| 20:28 |
tenplus1 |
buuuuuuuu.... |
| 20:29 |
sofar |
I'm tolerating it just fine, todays chat has been largely on-topic |
| 20:30 |
Fixer |
still need to read yesterday one, i missed a lot |
| 20:30 |
sofar |
UX/UI discussions are highly relevant anyway (especially given MT's dreadful UI in some respects) |
| 20:32 |
paramat |
there was a lot of OS talk with nothing to do with MT |
| 20:32 |
Jordach |
tenplus1, NHS spening stupid money on IT that'll be useless in about a year |
| 20:32 |
Jordach |
colour me never suprised |
| 20:32 |
tenplus1 |
some current NHS areas still use XP... *shudder* |
| 20:32 |
Jordach |
reee |
| 20:32 |
Fixer |
i was expecting DOS or W98 tbh |
| 20:32 |
tenplus1 |
so having them move to linux is a good stepping stone in security and open-source |
| 20:34 |
Jordach |
>open-source |
| 20:34 |
Jordach |
only because it can save the slightest amount of money |
| 20:34 |
tenplus1 |
that damn Wannacy virus brought down many systems |
| 20:34 |
tenplus1 |
all because of XP |
| 20:35 |
paramat |
please can someone start an unofficial MT-offtopic channel? we really need it |
| 20:36 |
tenplus1 |
no way... am not opening and switching between more than 1 mt channel |
| 20:36 |
benrob0329 |
paramat: I co-run a general unixy room here on Matrix, i'd love it if more people joined ;-) |
| 20:36 |
tenplus1 |
we talk shop in here all the time and a little offtopic is good |
| 20:37 |
benrob0329 |
On-topic, does anyone else think that DMs should be terrifying creatures of the deep? |
| 20:38 |
benrob0329 |
Something that cannot be killed but by experienced players, striking fear into those not worthy. |
| 20:39 |
Mr_Pardison |
On d/l, to kill them I build myself a shelter out of stuff around me then damage them with lava. |
| 20:40 |
tenplus1 |
maybe a water DM would be handy but only in deep waters... |
| 20:40 |
benrob0329 |
That sounds OP, especially for something that breaths fire. |
| 20:40 |
tenplus1 |
xanadu has dungeon masters and dungeon lords that are more powerful |
| 20:40 |
paramat |
refusing to look at >1 MT channel is ridiculous, we already have 3 that you to monitor |
| 20:41 |
tenplus1 |
paramat: I only join this one and pop into -dev for a few seconds to post a pull link |
| 20:41 |
tenplus1 |
this is my main hub |
| 20:41 |
benrob0329 |
I would rather not make DMs a franchise :-) |
| 20:41 |
paramat |
it's gone beyond a little offtopic, a little is fine |
| 20:41 |
Fixer |
i'm quite, I've even posted a bugreport |
| 20:41 |
* tenplus1 |
sells t-shirts |
| 20:41 |
Fixer |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6655 |
| 20:42 |
Fixer |
Wuzzy has pretty good luck of finding various bugs |
| 20:42 |
Mr_Pardison |
My strategy is based upon going down to the deep caves to mine for stuff (and kill some mobs along the way) and since I have the ability to manipulate lava, I bring some along as it I figured that if it can kill players, why not use it to kill mobs as well? |
| 20:42 |
paramat |
tenplus1 you need to use >1 channel instead of breaking channel rules |
| 20:42 |
Mr_Pardison |
and there stuff does not burn up like a players stuff does. |
| 20:43 |
* paramat |
will start kicking :] |
| 20:43 |
benrob0329 |
I think DMs should be fire proof, although how I imagine them being is way cooler than they are now |
| 20:43 |
tenplus1 |
o.O |
| 20:43 |
tenplus1 |
wait, dont I already have them lava proof ? they only get hurt in water..... checks!!! |
| 20:44 |
Fixer |
can you give some clothes to DMs? |
| 20:44 |
tenplus1 |
I have lava damage set to 1 per second... should I remove that and only have them die in water ? |
| 20:44 |
benrob0329 |
their "fire" is also OP, it should be like a dragon burning through and melting things imho |
| 20:44 |
tenplus1 |
Fixer: you any good at drawing 80's He-Man t-shirts ? |
| 20:45 |
Fixer |
not at all |
| 20:45 |
tenplus1 |
damn... there's that idea outta the equasion |
| 20:45 |
benrob0329 |
tenplus1: if you wish, I would like to make a new model for them at some point |
| 20:45 |
tenplus1 |
go for it ben :) am always looking for newer models and textures for mobs |
| 20:47 |
benrob0329 |
But imagine a miner dropping into a cave, placing some light a dark figure moves out of the shadows. In a single step the figure ia fully lit |
| 20:47 |
* benrob0329 |
uploaded an image: 79d5239590597beaf4565568fafb0d00-d6li8k1.jpg (341KB) <https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/IOKryVRZYPpYKVUpqLaNZrRC> |
| 20:48 |
tenplus1 |
0.5 has new light effects that would be great for mobs... already put glow particles into arrows for fireballs |
| 20:49 |
benrob0329 |
It pauses, scanning the player to make sure it's not one of "them". Inhailing, it begins to blast a stream of flame and fire from below its chiseled face, melting everything around it |
| 20:50 |
tenplus1 |
the plasmaball could be made into fireball that turns to lava_flowing when hitting nodes and slowing down player |
| 20:51 |
benrob0329 |
The player doges, and runs for his/her life. Looking back to see the dark figure standing in the stream of molten rock, with you just out of sight. |
| 20:51 |
Mr_Pardison |
*DarkSouls dodge |
| 20:51 |
tenplus1 |
heh |
| 20:52 |
tenplus1 |
played DS once and got ptsd... *shakes* |
| 20:53 |
benrob0329 |
Basically, if you're not as OP as it is, run the frick away |
| 20:54 |
tenplus1 |
maybe the mobs.difficulty setting could be used to speed up fireballs as well... make DM's ahrder |
| 20:54 |
benrob0329 |
Oh! They would have been created to not destroy mese |
| 20:55 |
benrob0329 |
So Mese armor would make you (sort of) immune to the attack |
| 20:55 |
Mr_Pardison |
or water and a boat. |
| 20:55 |
Mr_Pardison |
I employ that strategy with hydras. |
| 20:56 |
tenplus1 |
hydras are well done :) I like those mobs |
| 20:56 |
benrob0329 |
DMs should never be on the surface for water to matter... |
| 20:56 |
Mr_Pardison |
no no no. |
| 20:57 |
Mr_Pardison |
I mean that when you go deep down to where they are, you bring some water and a boat with you and employ the hydra strategy. |
| 20:57 |
tenplus1 |
ohh |
| 20:58 |
* Mr_Pardison |
snagged the idea from TommyTreasure and some other players who were doing that |
| 20:58 |
benrob0329 |
I get what your saying, I'm saying the whole "water kills mobs no matter what" is silly for something that can swim, or it so far underground that it wont matter |
| 20:58 |
benrob0329 |
*is so far |
| 20:58 |
tenplus1 |
being a fire mob then water should hurt it... but slowly |
| 20:58 |
Mr_Pardison |
it won't kill them since you will be placing it on a flat surface. |
| 20:58 |
benrob0329 |
If fully submerged, yes |
| 20:58 |
Mr_Pardison |
you are putting the boat on the water so you can kill them and not take damage. |
| 20:59 |
benrob0329 |
Oh... |
| 20:59 |
tenplus1 |
the mobs api will target the boat and fire at it... but... it's immortal so wont break... boats and carts should have a life |
| 20:59 |
tenplus1 |
or health |
| 20:59 |
Mr_Pardison |
no! |
| 20:59 |
Mr_Pardison |
I like this strategy and it helped me to get a lot of diamonds. |
| 21:00 |
tenplus1 |
ehehehe |
| 21:00 |
Mr_Pardison |
plus, most of the players that use it don't really share it with others. |
| 21:00 |
benrob0329 |
tenplus1: I would think that a fire mob would be hindered by water, but not killed by it unless drowned |
| 21:01 |
benrob0329 |
If a DM drank, it might have to dry out before firing for eg |
| 21:02 |
tenplus1 |
lol, then youy'd find chests filled with fire whiskey laying around :D |
| 21:02 |
Donbatman |
OOOOH can I have some fire whiskey? |
| 21:02 |
benrob0329 |
Heh, that'd certainly be a mechanic |
| 21:03 |
benrob0329 |
"The drunk Dungeon Master" |
| 21:03 |
tenplus1 |
eheheh, some of the fireballs miss completely and explode behind you |
| 21:03 |
Mr_Pardison |
that's just what we need. drunken mobs or DankSouls forbid, drunken players. |
| 21:04 |
tenplus1 |
once we can control player:set_player_velocity() I can add drunken effects to wine mod... |
| 21:04 |
tenplus1 |
even hiccups with player eye offset changes |
| 21:04 |
benrob0329 |
Mr_Pardison: we already have that, haven't you seem Jordan's live streams :P |
| 21:04 |
Mr_Pardison |
I haven't. |
| 21:04 |
Mr_Pardison |
I've been a bit busy with school, you see. |
| 21:05 |
Mr_Pardison |
Even though one of my classes is a study hall and another one of them is so easy I can pretty much do what I want to on my computer and still easily pass. |
| 21:05 |
benrob0329 |
https://www.youtube.com/user/313hummer |
| 21:07 |
benrob0329 |
I should make a DM animation |
| 21:10 |
tenplus1 |
am all ears for mob changes/tweaks :)) |
| 21:11 |
* Mr_Pardison |
hands tenplus1 an ear |
| 21:11 |
tenplus1 |
:P |
| 21:11 |
tenplus1 |
I do need better textures for the horses though... those are kinda cartoony |
| 21:12 |
Mr_Pardison |
so let them be that way. |
| 21:12 |
Mr_Pardison |
maybe some one will get a laugh out of it. |
| 21:13 |
tenplus1 |
heh... Robbie's joke server has them walking upsidedown... so funny |
| 21:14 |
Mr_Pardison |
xP |
| 21:16 |
tenplus1 |
sleepy time, nite all ;)) |
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| 21:23 |
Shara |
Hi all |
| 21:24 |
Mr_Pardison |
Mew. |
| 21:24 |
Donbatman |
HI Shara the travelling kitty |
| 21:24 |
Shara |
Hello Mr. P and the Great Batman |
| 21:25 |
Shara |
Did I miss any exciting things today? |
| 21:25 |
Mr_Pardison |
Other than a discussion about DM's (in which I shared my strategy for them and fighting hydras), not that I know of. |
| 21:26 |
Shara |
I wonder how many servers even have hydras |
| 21:27 |
Mr_Pardison |
someone *coughs tenplus1* wanted to change it so that boats (and carts) had a health level and were not invincible, thereby eliminating this strategy. |
| 21:27 |
Donbatman |
What are hydras? |
| 21:27 |
Shara |
water dragons |
| 21:27 |
Mr_Pardison |
tasty creatures that drop diamonds (or in the case of the large one, a diamond block) when killed. |
| 21:27 |
Donbatman |
oh |
| 21:28 |
Mr_Pardison |
drop chance varies. |
| 21:28 |
Shara |
Mr P, cheaters such as yourself make me want to create diamond blocks that explode when collected. |
| 21:28 |
Shara |
:D |
| 21:28 |
Mr_Pardison |
hey! |
| 21:28 |
Mr_Pardison |
What I do is a perfectly legitimate thing. |
| 21:29 |
Mr_Pardison |
and I wouldn't take damage from it as I am usually still on the boat when I collect it. |
| 21:29 |
benrob0329 |
Shara: "And I would've gotten away with it too, if it weren't for you meddling kids!" |
| 21:30 |
Mr_Pardison |
other players employ the same strategy. |
| 21:30 |
Mr_Pardison |
would you want to unexpectedly kill them? |
| 21:30 |
* benrob0329 |
whips out the kill hammer |
| 21:31 |
* Mr_Pardison |
pulls out a Battleaxe with the "Grim" enchantment |
| 21:32 |
Shara |
Would I want players to have a hard time on a survival server? |
| 21:32 |
Shara |
Yes of course. |
| 21:33 |
Shara |
I could just remove boats, you know :) |
| 21:33 |
Mr_Pardison |
ik. |
| 21:33 |
* benrob0329 |
points out DM story above |
| 21:33 |
benrob0329 |
THAT would be awesome on a servival server |
| 21:33 |
Mr_Pardison |
DM's, no boats? |
| 21:34 |
Mr_Pardison |
I would just employ my other strategy for those. |
| 21:34 |
benrob0329 |
My vision of the DMs, no boats |
| 21:34 |
* Mr_Pardison |
feels like he is sharing all of his trade secrets |
| 21:34 |
Shara |
benrob0329: I have my own ideas for lore and background story on my servers |
| 21:34 |
benrob0329 |
Shara: then do it :-) |
| 21:35 |
Mr_Pardison |
but I think that those secrets can be entrusted with you. |
| 21:35 |
Shara |
Time.... |
| 21:35 |
benrob0329 |
That is the key factor of life, isnt it, |
| 21:35 |
* Shara |
needs to stop travelling somewhere every other week |
| 21:36 |
Mr_Pardison |
but when my time is up, have I done enough? Will they tell your story? |
| 21:37 |
Mr_Pardison |
Elizabeth Schuyler, lyrics from Hamilton. Song is "Who lives, Who Dies, Who Tells Your Story" from act II |
| 21:37 |
benrob0329 |
Someone will tell your story, the question is..who? |
| 21:37 |
Mr_Pardison |
you have no control who lives, who dies, who tells your story. |
| 21:37 |
Mr_Pardison |
*still quotes the same song* |
| 21:41 |
benrob0329 |
Shara: would you agree though, that a giant fuzzy teddy isnt really how the DM should be portrayed? |
| 21:41 |
Shara |
doesnt really look like a teddy to me |
| 21:41 |
benrob0329 |
Doesnt really look frightening to me |
| 21:42 |
Mr_Pardison |
looks like someone just threw a bunch of mud blocks together, added a head, legs and arms also mad of mud and called it a DM. |
| 21:42 |
Shara |
Not a single thing in MT looks frightening to me |
| 21:42 |
benrob0329 |
Or even tough, it looks kinda chubby at best |
| 21:42 |
Shara |
Make a better model then |
| 21:42 |
Mr_Pardison |
yes it does. |
| 21:42 |
benrob0329 |
that's the plan |
| 21:43 |
benrob0329 |
But, someone wise once said, "Time...." |
| 21:44 |
Mr_Pardison |
"....is only a concept made up by humans." |
| 21:45 |
benrob0329 |
Mr_Pardison: no, that was just someone from the theoretical physics department :P |
| 21:45 |
Mr_Pardison |
have they been able to prove that yet? |
| 21:46 |
benrob0329 |
Well, one theory is that gravity is just a side effect of moving through time because things move towards the slowest passing of time |
| 21:47 |
benrob0329 |
(Latest Vsauce) |
| 21:51 |
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| 21:56 |
benrob0329 |
Oh, Shara: I wasn't talking about the lore, I was talking about the execution of the DM |
| 21:58 |
Shara |
Not sure I follow |
| 22:00 |
benrob0329 |
Shara: the "DM story" was solely about the execution of a DM encounter |
| 22:01 |
Fixer |
Shara: no boats is bad decision, here is another way - make recipe much harder |
| 22:02 |
Mr_Pardison |
....... |
| 22:02 |
Mr_Pardison |
and how exactly do you propose to do that? |
| 22:02 |
Mr_Pardison |
the boat's texture is one of wood planks. |
| 22:02 |
* Shara |
can edit textures |
| 22:02 |
Mr_Pardison |
technically, shouldn't the texture match the recipe? |
| 22:02 |
benrob0329 |
It'll be made entirely of diamond blocks >:-) |
| 22:03 |
Shara |
About 99 of them I think |
| 22:03 |
Mr_Pardison |
ik that the texture can be changed but still I think it would be better to leave it as is. |
| 22:04 |
Mr_Pardison |
Shara: has the ability to not die from a lack of light been added to a bat or other ride-able animal on d/l yet as I would like to try some night flying. |
| 22:06 |
Fixer |
you go to be kidding me: "Sorry Guest, you are banned from using this forum!" avidemux forum |
| 22:07 |
Mr_Pardison |
like getting k-lined unexpectedly. |
| 22:07 |
Shara |
Mr_Pardison: not yet |
| 22:07 |
* Mr_Pardison |
puts night flying on his try later list |
| 22:07 |
Shara |
I still need to decide the best way to do it |
| 22:57 |
Mr_Pardison |
tying it to a function that checks to see whether they are riding an animal would take up too much memory, right? |
| 23:01 |
Shara |
I just need to look at what functionality mobs_redo has |
| 23:02 |
Shara |
I already made armour pieces that disable darkness damage for example, but don't know if there's a eay to tie that to mounting a mob yet |
| 23:03 |
Shara |
an easy* |
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| 23:27 |
ImNotHere |
Hi all |
| 23:27 |
ImNotHere |
thanks red-001 |
| 23:27 |
Donbatman |
Hi Megaf |
| 23:27 |
ImNotHere |
What's the criteria to get a contributor tag on github? |
| 23:27 |
Mr_Pardison |
hello. |
| 23:27 |
Donbatman |
oops... ImNotHere |
| 23:27 |
* Mr_Pardison |
goes back to being overwatch on other channels |
| 23:27 |
ImNotHere |
just opening issues or PR is required? |
| 23:28 |
* red-001 |
¯_(ツ)_/¯ |
| 23:29 |
red-001 |
I bet #github knows |
| 23:29 |
Donbatman |
Open issue anf if you can fix it then open a pr that is linked to the issue |
| 23:29 |
Jordach |
Mr_Pardison, cheers love, the minetesters are here :^) |
| 23:30 |
Donbatman |
*and |
| 23:30 |
* Megaf |
sips some more wine |
| 23:30 |
* Mr_Pardison |
prefers a warm mug of hot cocoa. |
| 23:30 |
Megaf |
I could do with some peanuts too |
| 23:31 |
Mr_Pardison |
get them from the peanut galley. |
| 23:31 |
Megaf |
Mr_Pardison, I'm out of cocoa powder :( |
| 23:31 |
Mr_Pardison |
RIP. |
| 23:31 |
Mr_Pardison |
Wine is a poor substitute for it. |
| 23:31 |
Megaf |
Not if you want to relax |
| 23:31 |
* Mr_Pardison |
doesn't drink |
| 23:32 |
Mr_Pardison |
and I'm not legally able to. |
| 23:32 |
Jordach |
relax? |
| 23:32 |
Jordach |
pfft |
| 23:32 |
* Jordach |
has a bag of weeeeeeed |
| 23:32 |
Megaf |
Mr_Pardison, I'm totally (opposite of against) drinking |
| 23:32 |
Megaf |
As long as it's a little |
| 23:33 |
Megaf |
like one glass of wine, just a single one, every evening |
| 23:33 |
Megaf |
red wine that is |
| 23:33 |
Megaf |
or one pint of beer |
| 23:33 |
Megaf |
It is actually healthy |
| 23:33 |
red-001 |
Jordach, you got scammed they only gave you 7 "e"'s you need at least 11 |
| 23:33 |
Donbatman |
Or one pint of whiskey? |
| 23:33 |
Mr_Pardison |
XD |
| 23:33 |
Jordach |
OwO |
| 23:34 |
* Sokomine |
grabs mr_pradisons cocoa and runs away with it |
| 23:34 |
Megaf |
Problem is not the alcohol. problem is some people get addicted easily, and some people can't control themselves |
| 23:34 |
Megaf |
Like me with chocolate |
| 23:34 |
* Mr_Pardison |
runs after Sokomine and snags it back |
| 23:34 |
Megaf |
I can't eat just a piece, it has to be the whole box |
| 23:34 |
Mr_Pardison |
no one steals my hot cocoa. |
| 23:34 |
* Megaf |
roars |
| 23:34 |
Sokomine |
:-) |
| 23:35 |
Mr_Pardison |
Mew LittleRoaryTiger |
| 23:35 |
Sokomine |
seems megaf wants to defend his chocolate as well :-) |
| 23:35 |
Mr_Pardison |
actual chocolate. |
| 23:35 |
LittleRoaryTiger |
No body messes with ones chocolate |
| 23:35 |
LittleRoaryTiger |
no one* |
| 23:35 |
Sokomine |
:-) |
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| 23:36 |
Mr_Pardison |
what do you call a person with out a body and that lacks a nose? |
| 23:36 |
RoaryTiger |
I wonder what people in other channels think about my nicks... |
| 23:36 |
RoaryTiger |
Mr_Pardison, nobody knows |
| 23:36 |
RoaryTiger |
hahha |
| 23:36 |
Mr_Pardison |
yes! |
| 23:37 |
Raven262 |
/r/jokes i see. |
| 23:37 |
RoaryTiger |
I'm actually laughing here |
| 23:37 |
* Donbatman |
thinks Megaf had too much wine. He be Roaring now |
| 23:37 |
Sokomine |
such jokes are more tricky than normal chat (at least for me) |
| 23:37 |
RoaryTiger |
Donbatman, I only roar in two ocasions, to get Sharas attention and to defend ones chocolate |
| 23:38 |
Donbatman |
lol |
| 23:38 |
Raven262 |
Your chocolate mostly, right? xD |
| 23:38 |
RoaryTiger |
About the joke, I just read, no+body and nose, knows |
| 23:38 |
Sokomine |
maybe you can combine the two :-) |
| 23:38 |
RoaryTiger |
I'm sure there's must be someone using the nick ChocolateMan |
| 23:38 |
* RoaryTiger |
checks |
| 23:39 |
Donbatman |
Punchline please |
| 23:39 |
RoaryTiger |
ChocolateMan is not registered.... |
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| 23:39 |
RoaryTiger |
nor is ChocolateWoman/Girl |
| 23:39 |
RoaryTiger |
we Mr_Pardison |
| 23:39 |
ChocolateMann |
or ChocolateMan |
| 23:39 |
Mr_Pardison |
computer froze one me. |
| 23:39 |
Mr_Pardison |
*on |
| 23:39 |
RoaryTiger |
wb* |
| 23:39 |
ChocolateMann |
*nn |
| 23:40 |
Sokomine |
guess they where eaten :-) |
| 23:40 |
RoaryTiger |
Sokomine, hah! |
| 23:40 |
Sokomine |
oh? in connection with mt? |
| 23:40 |
RoaryTiger |
It does make sense doesnt it |
| 23:40 |
RoaryTiger |
ChocolateMann, you doubled the n |
| 23:40 |
ChocolateMann |
RoaryTiger, I meant to |
| 23:40 |
Raven262 |
I get it, actually. |
| 23:41 |
RoaryTiger |
I don't |
| 23:41 |
Raven262 |
TF2? |
| 23:41 |
Mr_Pardison |
CSGO? |
| 23:41 |
ChocolateMann |
Raven262, german |
| 23:41 |
RoaryTiger |
iGetit, iDont, new Apple phones... |
| 23:41 |
Raven262 |
Still, TF2 |
| 23:41 |
* Mr_Pardison |
doesn't play any Steam games. |
| 23:42 |
RoaryTiger |
me neither |
| 23:42 |
Mr_Pardison |
I'm more of a web-browser based gamer. |
| 23:42 |
* ChocolateMann |
¯_(ツ)_/¯ |
| 23:42 |
Mr_Pardison |
except for MT. |
| 23:42 |
Raven262 |
I got myself an balloon unicorn in TF2. Its perfectly natural to think of TF2 all the time. |
| 23:43 |
ChocolateMann |
all nick names from ChocolateMan to ChocolateMannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn are unregistered |
| 23:43 |
Raven262 |
You don't say. :P |
| 23:43 |
Mr_Pardison |
no me digas.... |
| 23:44 |
RoaryTiger |
ChocolateMann, That's what I call some available time |
| 23:44 |
RoaryTiger |
I have no idea whats TF2 |
| 23:44 |
RoaryTiger |
Team Fortress 2? |
| 23:44 |
Raven262 |
Yes. |
| 23:44 |
RoaryTiger |
Still not idea what's the game about |
| 23:44 |
ChocolateMann |
RoaryTiger, one minute 18 seconds of it |
| 23:44 |
Raven262 |
Its about shooting, killing, taunting and pyroland. |
| 23:44 |
Mr_Pardison |
RoaryTiger: same. |
| 23:45 |
Mr_Pardison |
sounds like hell to me. |
| 23:45 |
Raven262 |
No, pyroland is nice :) |
| 23:45 |
Mr_Pardison |
fine. |
| 23:45 |
Mr_Pardison |
sounds like war to me, which has been described as hell. |
| 23:46 |
Raven262 |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUhOnX8qt3I |
| 23:46 |
Raven262 |
example |
| 23:46 |
Raven262 |
Thats one of the classes you can play as. |
| 23:47 |
Raven262 |
They are not all as sick |
| 23:47 |
Raven262 |
:) |
| 23:47 |
* Mr_Pardison |
does like fire..... |
| 23:47 |
Mr_Pardison |
I recently whittled myself a fuzz/feather stick. |
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| 23:48 |
Mr_Pardison |
yes. |
| 23:49 |
ChocolateMann |
24 immortal manics killing each other over a box canyon in the desert and every so often dancing in a conga line... |
| 23:49 |
Mr_Pardison |
because flamethrowers should be shooting rainbows. |
| 23:49 |
ChocolateMann |
now that I describe it it does sound a bit like hell |
| 23:49 |
ChocolateMann |
like who would dance the Conga, it can always be replaced by a better dance |
| 23:50 |
Raven262 |
Yea, conga is like 20 ref now. |
| 23:50 |
Raven262 |
There are more expensive ones out there, better ones |
| 23:50 |
Raven262 |
xD |
| 23:50 |
Mr_Pardison |
like ballroom dancing to the sounds of hell. |
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| 23:56 |
ChocolateMann |
wb unk |
| 23:59 |
RoaryTiger |
aello Aello |
