| Time |
Nick |
Message |
| 01:00 |
Natechip |
pls see what I said in #minetest-dev |
| 01:01 |
Shara |
Natechip: Even I won't try compiling on Windows anymore |
| 01:01 |
Shara |
I've done it before, but the headaches... |
| 01:02 |
Natechip |
Shara: im just stuck on LIB /DEF:sqlite3.def /OUT:sqlite3.lib |
| 01:02 |
Natechip |
it says LIB isnt a command |
| 01:03 |
Shara |
Hmm, I don't remember seeing anything like that |
| 01:03 |
Shara |
But it's been a while since I tried |
| 01:04 |
Natechip |
Shara: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/tree/stable-0.4 |
| 01:04 |
Shara |
If I need to compile, I switch to Linux |
| 01:05 |
Shara |
Sorry, but I won't even try it again after the last time. |
| 01:05 |
Natechip |
what happened? |
| 01:05 |
Shara |
Just kept running into problem after problem |
| 01:05 |
Shara |
I can't spend hours compiling if I want to test something |
| 01:05 |
Shara |
Linux = minutes |
| 01:05 |
Natechip |
all I need is sqlite3.lib XD I wonder if someone can somehow get it for me |
| 01:07 |
Natechip |
Shara: it would probably help if I knew what visual studio thing im suppose to install :/ |
| 01:07 |
Shara |
I used 2013, but not sure if it makes a difference |
| 01:07 |
Shara |
It just happened to be what I had here |
| 01:08 |
Shara |
It might now, since things were updated |
| 01:08 |
Natechip |
well do I get community or what |
| 01:08 |
Shara |
I have no idea |
| 01:09 |
Natechip |
what did u get when u tried |
| 01:09 |
Shara |
I just told you what I used |
| 01:09 |
Shara |
VS 2013 |
| 01:09 |
Natechip |
it just says Visual Studio 2017... |
| 01:09 |
Shara |
Then yours is more recent, and should be better than what I had |
| 01:10 |
ThomasMonroe |
community would work |
| 01:10 |
Natechip |
all I see is one for VS Code, VS Community, VS Pro, VS Entr. |
| 01:10 |
ThomasMonroe |
community |
| 01:10 |
Natechip |
k |
| 01:10 |
Natechip |
thx |
| 01:10 |
ThomasMonroe |
though after 30 days youre going to need to sign up to keep working in it |
| 01:10 |
Natechip |
meh |
| 01:11 |
ThomasMonroe |
its still free, but they want to make sure you are serious about it XD |
| 01:11 |
Natechip |
lol |
| 01:12 |
Natechip |
watch soon enough your going to need to sign up to play minetest and have a registered account name XD |
| 01:12 |
Shara |
I wonder if compiling on WIndows is worse than fighting formspecs... I actually realised I'm not sure. |
| 01:13 |
Natechip |
Shara: a new thing that would be good is a easier way to compile on windows |
| 01:13 |
Shara |
Agreed, it would be very good. But not something I'd know how to do |
| 01:13 |
Shara |
I mostly just write mods and run servers |
| 01:14 |
Natechip |
Shara: u think I would be able to make a simple bat file to do all this? |
| 01:16 |
Natechip |
might take some work... |
| 01:16 |
Natechip |
anyway |
| 01:16 |
Natechip |
Im ganna restart one sec |
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| 01:22 |
Shara |
Welcome back Natechip |
| 01:22 |
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| 01:22 |
Natechip |
thx |
| 01:24 |
Natechip |
why isnt LIB working O_O |
| 01:28 |
* Natechip |
claps |
| 01:28 |
Natechip |
lib.exe is missing from VS 2017 |
| 01:28 |
Natechip |
-_- |
| 01:38 |
Natechip |
oh |
| 01:38 |
Natechip |
I got it |
| 01:43 |
ThomasMonroe |
is it working for you now? |
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| 01:55 |
Natechip |
ThomasMonroe: sloooowwwlllyyy downloading VS 2015 |
| 01:55 |
ThomasMonroe |
heh, yeah it takes a while |
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| 02:13 |
Natechip |
ThomasMonroe: connection problems? |
| 02:24 |
ThomasMonroe |
nope, just trying out soe things |
| 02:24 |
ThomasMonroe |
some* |
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| 02:54 |
Natechip |
Shara: this is harder than I thought |
| 02:54 |
Natechip |
ive got a work around though... |
| 02:55 |
Natechip |
im hoping I can create something to make this easier for the others |
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| 05:21 |
lordfingle |
Greetings Minetenticles! |
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| 08:50 |
CWz |
anyone know anything about FGH, a griefer. |
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| 08:52 |
CWz |
anyone know anything about FGH and AngelX007GR, griefers. |
| 08:53 |
Raven262 |
Under those names, nope. |
| 08:53 |
Raven262 |
Might be anyone though. |
| 09:04 |
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| 09:18 |
Megaf |
Greetings |
| 09:19 |
Megaf |
Hi shivajiva Raven262 |
| 09:20 |
Raven262 |
Hi Megaf |
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| 09:41 |
shivajiva |
Hiya Megaf, Raven o/ |
| 09:46 |
CWz |
I know that this might come off as reverse-assed question but, is it possible to change my server to a lower postion of the public serverlist? |
| 09:47 |
* shivajiva |
polishes his handrolled auth handler |
| 09:47 |
shivajiva |
CWz turn it off for a bit, that will drop you in the ranks |
| 09:48 |
shivajiva |
or get a hoard of mobile users playing, that will affect it :) |
| 09:52 |
Raven262 |
Hi shivajiva |
| 10:01 |
CWz |
Will have to figure out how to setup sban without luarocks. hopefully won't be too difficult |
| 10:06 |
Krock |
CWz, reset the age, compile the binary so it announces a higher ping or player count |
| 10:06 |
Krock |
or even report an old protocol version, which will definitely make yours as one of the most lowest servers |
| 10:10 |
sfan5 |
Krock: ping is determined by the server list |
| 10:10 |
sfan5 |
announcing a lower player count does not matter either as you'd need to actually omit players from your list |
| 10:10 |
sfan5 |
simplest way is to reset the age of your world |
| 10:12 |
Krock |
sfan5, eh, I meant "lag", not ping :3 |
| 10:13 |
sfan5 |
*checks code* |
| 10:13 |
Krock |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/src/serverlist.cpp#L225 |
| 10:13 |
sfan5 |
Krock: that value does not matter actually |
| 10:14 |
sfan5 |
probably because nobody really understood what it was supposed to mean |
| 10:14 |
Krock |
hehe :) |
| 10:14 |
sfan5 |
(matter = have any effect on serverlist placement) |
| 10:15 |
sfan5 |
wait you linked the game_time value, now i'm confused |
| 10:20 |
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| 10:20 |
IhrFussel |
Hi there, I'll try again: How can I make the face of the node rotate to the PLAYER on_place? place_param2 and minetest.rotate_node seem to be wrong |
| 10:22 |
IhrFussel |
I looked at the default:chest code and cannot find the parameter or function that makes this possible |
| 10:22 |
sfan5 |
paramtype2 = "facedir", legacy_facedir_simple = true, seems to work just fine (default:furnace from minimal) |
| 10:23 |
IhrFussel |
Oh so it's the legacy_facedir_simple = true bit? |
| 10:25 |
IhrFussel |
The name of that parameter doesn't sound THAT inviting cause it says "legacy" which many see as "deprecated" |
| 10:26 |
shivajiva |
hmm legacy and deprecated are not the same |
| 10:27 |
IhrFussel |
No but you gotta admit the name of this parameter doesn't make it sound like "current way to rotate the node to the player" |
| 10:27 |
sfan5 |
i think that param just switches from the "new" 6dir facedir to 4dir facedir |
| 10:27 |
sfan5 |
it shouldn't affect placing the node |
| 10:27 |
shivajiva |
a legacy implies support, deprecated implies desist from using it |
| 10:28 |
shivajiva |
imho :) |
| 10:31 |
IhrFussel |
shivajiva, yes you're right and sfan5 that parameter really doesn't turn the node by any means...so I'm not sure what I'm missing I got paramtype2 = "facedir" in the definition |
| 10:32 |
sfan5 |
IhrFussel: here's code that definitely works http://sprunge.us/IAjW?lua |
| 10:35 |
shivajiva |
looking at my code I seem to use legacy_facedir_simple = true for chests to get the orientation correct |
| 10:36 |
IhrFussel |
sfan5, why wouldn't this work then :/ https://pastebin.com/R8TZL0Ei |
| 10:36 |
shivajiva |
which clearly matches what sfan5 stated |
| 10:38 |
shivajiva |
https://pastebin.com/CVrMnmT1 |
| 10:39 |
shivajiva |
see what I mean |
| 10:40 |
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| 10:40 |
shivajiva |
o/ |
| 10:40 |
Krock |
o/ |
| 10:41 |
IhrFussel |
Okay I think the problem was that the front tile wasn't the last specified |
| 10:41 |
shivajiva |
:) |
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| 10:51 |
IhrFussel |
So legacy_facedir_simple = true is only required if I want my nodes to work on maps that were created <= 2012 ? |
| 10:52 |
paramat |
IhrFussel you didn't clearly specify what rotation behaviour you wanted. good question about how chests rotate, i can't see how they rotate to face the player yet |
| 10:52 |
paramat |
oh and yes, facedir simple is very old stuff |
| 10:52 |
IhrFussel |
paramat, paramtype2 = "facedir" does rotate them to the player, but I misplaced the tiles |
| 10:53 |
paramat |
ahh i was wondering if it did |
| 10:54 |
IhrFussel |
I didn't know that the front tile HAS TO be the last one specified |
| 11:01 |
shivajiva |
if you are using more than a single image I believe the order must be followed for the node to tile correctly |
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| 11:11 |
IhrFussel |
I'll kepp that in mind now^^ ... another question: does the post_effect_color parameter of a node only apply when the head is inside the node? |
| 11:11 |
IhrFussel |
keep* |
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| 11:12 |
IhrFussel |
I'm guessing it's like water/lava |
| 11:17 |
sfan5 |
indeed, i think it was made specifically for liquids |
| 11:50 |
CWz |
rubenwardy, congrats on being upgraded to gold |
| 11:53 |
Krock |
^ not gold, just yellow. gold would have some nice 2000-style blinky animations |
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| 12:00 |
sfan5 |
Minetest Forums™ gold membership© |
| 12:01 |
IhrFussel |
What does the engine do if a Japanese app let's players enter a Japanese name? Does the server reject the name? |
| 12:01 |
IhrFussel |
lets* |
| 12:02 |
sfan5 |
yes |
| 12:03 |
IhrFussel |
Is the name check only server-side? Like if the server owner was a pro in c++ and changes the engine to accept Japanese characters for names would it work? |
| 12:04 |
sfan5 |
yes |
| 12:04 |
sfan5 |
however it's very likely that doing so will cause random problems to crop up anywhere |
| 12:05 |
Calinou |
<Shara> I wonder if compiling on WIndows is worse than fighting formspecs... I actually realised I'm not sure. |
| 12:05 |
Calinou |
Shara: it would be much easier if it worked out of the box with MSYS2 |
| 12:06 |
Calinou |
I think I'll open an issue about this, but it's probably CMake's fault (or the Minetest CMake files) |
| 12:06 |
Shara |
I still haven't decided which is worse here. Formspecs do not like me. |
| 12:07 |
Calinou |
with MSYS2, I can compile ioquake3, Yamagi Quake 2, gifsicle, Urho3D… pretty easily |
| 12:07 |
Calinou |
you just install dependencies using pacman (like on Arch Linux, but the package names are different) then you can use `make` or whatever is needed |
| 12:09 |
Shara |
Something to simplify it all would be nice, though I moved over to using Linux any time I wanted to compile it myself quite a long time back. |
| 12:10 |
Calinou |
MSYS2 makes it easy, without needing to use the WSL to cross-compile to Windows (or a virtual machine) |
| 12:10 |
Fixer |
Calinou: minetest is easily done too, just replace make with mingw-make |
| 12:11 |
Fixer |
in buildbot |
| 12:11 |
Fixer |
i wonder if i need to update my msys2 |
| 12:13 |
IhrFussel |
I find nerzhul's network PR very interesting... seems like the code using ASIO is much more tiny |
| 12:13 |
sfan5 |
IhrFussel: that's because asio is a 2 megabyte librarys |
| 12:13 |
sfan5 |
s/s$// |
| 12:13 |
Calinou |
Fixer: yeah but I don't want to use buildbot |
| 12:13 |
Calinou |
just manual git clone + cmake + make |
| 12:13 |
Calinou |
it's simpler, and allows me to use the MSYS2 packages |
| 12:14 |
Fixer |
yes |
| 12:14 |
Calinou |
this works for other software, it ought to work for Minetest :P |
| 12:14 |
Fixer |
minetest hates to work |
| 12:14 |
IhrFussel |
sfan5, I see...did you agree to using it before he opened the PR? |
| 12:15 |
Fixer |
mingw-w64-x86_64-gcc-7.2.0-1 |
| 12:15 |
Fixer |
.____. |
| 12:15 |
sfan5 |
no, why would i need to agree to something he works on himself |
| 12:15 |
IhrFussel |
Cause I imagine it to be extremely frustrating to edit thousands of lines of code just to be potentially rejected |
| 12:16 |
sfan5 |
just because i dislike it doesn't have to mean it can't get merged |
| 12:17 |
IhrFussel |
I didn't say you won't merge it...I thought he talked to the other core devs beforehand and that you basically gave him green light |
| 12:17 |
sfan5 |
nah, however he did announce that he wanted to rewrite the networking stack before |
| 12:18 |
IhrFussel |
And you dislike the whole idea of rewriting? Or just using ASIO? |
| 12:19 |
sfan5 |
i prefer not adding another external library for what is essentially bind()+accept()+epoll() and send()/recv() |
| 12:21 |
IhrFussel |
I guess the real question is if it significantly increases the performance of the network stack... and if that increase is enough to justify such a big library |
| 12:23 |
IhrFussel |
I looked at the "projects that use ASIO" page and wasn't able to recognize any "big players" |
| 12:25 |
sfan5 |
that's not what counts really |
| 12:26 |
IhrFussel |
sfan5, of course not but to see that big companies use a certain library makes it somewhat more reliable...or not? |
| 12:27 |
sfan5 |
mmm a little maybe |
| 12:28 |
IhrFussel |
Well if we merge it we can add Minetest to that list xP |
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| 13:27 |
ThomasMonroe |
wb Raven |
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| 13:57 |
Krock |
The background story of how privileges multiply: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=18574 |
| 13:58 |
Krock |
oh well my bitchange mod hasn't got a much better name either :P |
| 13:58 |
Calinou |
are there issues on GitHub about making privilege management easier? |
| 13:58 |
Calinou |
such as granting several privileges at once to a player |
| 13:58 |
Calinou |
defining sets of privileges to grant/revoke them all at once |
| 13:59 |
Calinou |
(eg. "moderator", granting "ban, give, basic_privs, rollback") |
| 13:59 |
rubenwardy |
wat |
| 13:59 |
rubenwardy |
privilege sex? |
| 13:59 |
Calinou |
Krock: also, I'm having issues accessing to minetest.net and its subdomains, my ISP is having issues with the provider, someone who's using the same ISP as me has the same issue |
| 13:59 |
rubenwardy |
privilege se |
| 13:59 |
rubenwardy |
https://github.com/emperaormicah/privilegesex |
| 14:00 |
Calinou |
celeron55: https://hastebin.com/sawosuvite.txt |
| 14:00 |
rubenwardy |
at least put an underscore, com'on |
| 14:00 |
rubenwardy |
urgh, why does a paste bin require JS |
| 14:00 |
sfan5 |
Calinou: works for me |
| 14:00 |
Calinou |
yeah, it's just my ISP apparently, also happens in 4G (whose network is owned by the same ISP) |
| 14:12 |
nerzhul |
asio is header only |
| 14:13 |
nerzhul |
but yes it's another dep, and it can be added to lib/ folder if needed to prevent boost installation on most systems (as asio can use boost or c++11 depending on ASIO_STANDALONE flag) |
| 14:13 |
nerzhul |
sfan5, asio is not only bind + accept + epoll, it's portable accross all systems, and manage the MTU properly as it seems (in TCP mode) |
| 14:14 |
sfan5 |
you don't need to manage mtu with tcp |
| 14:14 |
sfan5 |
also i'm aware it does more but come on, portability isn't that hard |
| 14:16 |
sfan5 |
wait does asio depend on boost? |
| 14:16 |
nerzhul |
exact it's not hard, also i really like the asio interface, and i think if it's added asio interfaces can be used on non networking part when needed, for example to do defered packet compression + sending for mapblocks (outside of server loop) |
| 14:16 |
nerzhul |
not for us |
| 14:16 |
nerzhul |
ASIO_STANDALONE flag is set in cmakelists |
| 14:16 |
sfan5 |
ah, ok |
| 14:16 |
nerzhul |
but it has both for old systems compat |
| 14:16 |
sfan5 |
we don't need support for symbian tho |
| 14:17 |
nerzhul |
if you install asio it install boost, in archlinux too :), but just for non C++11 programs |
| 14:17 |
nerzhul |
if we embed it in lib/ it should be sufficient |
| 14:18 |
nerzhul |
this PR is not finished yet, it's mainly a PoC, i need to add UDP part for non reliable packets (more simple part than our current part). The current TCP part is correctly working |
| 14:18 |
nerzhul |
i'm launching a MT server on my dedicated to ensure all works properly over wan |
| 14:20 |
nerzhul |
wow |
| 14:20 |
nerzhul |
it loads instanly in minimal over wan, imprssive :p |
| 14:24 |
nerzhul |
same with MT_game but there is a mapblock loading issue it seems, i should verify if it's not due to the loading speed |
| 14:26 |
nerzhul |
sfan5, i don't know if we can retrieve rtt/jitter in this model, i hope so |
| 14:26 |
Calinou |
hmm |
| 14:26 |
Calinou |
why are you rewriting the protocol to TCP? |
| 14:26 |
Calinou |
that's just calling for repeating Minecraft's mistakes |
| 14:26 |
nerzhul |
TCP + UDP using ASIO |
| 14:26 |
Calinou |
(which still has lag spikes in 2017!) |
| 14:26 |
Calinou |
why not UDP + ENet? |
| 14:27 |
nerzhul |
enet has no IPv6 |
| 14:27 |
Calinou |
forks :) |
| 14:27 |
nerzhul |
no |
| 14:27 |
Calinou |
the fork in Godot has full IPv6 support |
| 14:27 |
nerzhul |
i prefer production grade library, enet is not very used |
| 14:27 |
nerzhul |
and has cons |
| 14:27 |
Calinou |
it is production-grade, Godot and Cube/Cube 2 games use it |
| 14:27 |
Calinou |
and some commercial games too |
| 14:27 |
Calinou |
also, "this is a game, not a banking application" :) |
| 14:27 |
nerzhul |
actually i just want to see if this implementation works as intended |
| 14:27 |
sfan5 |
Calinou: hey that's my sentence |
| 14:28 |
sfan5 |
i don't look forward to rewriting the server list pinging code if we switch to enet |
| 14:28 |
nerzhul |
i don't care about game vs banking apps, banking apps are generally stack of shits which just work :p |
| 14:28 |
nerzhul |
pinging my tcp implementation should be easy, it's open/close or open/init/response/close in tcp |
| 14:28 |
rubenwardy |
Monzo is good |
| 14:28 |
rubenwardy |
</unpaid-shill> |
| 14:29 |
Calinou |
pinging with ENet is definitely possible |
| 14:29 |
Calinou |
(and getting server info) |
| 14:29 |
Calinou |
(that's what Cube/Cube 2 does, it doesn't use HTTP for the master server) |
| 14:30 |
nerzhul |
let me finish this PoC, if not viable i will re-study enet, but really i don't like their implementation :p |
| 14:30 |
sfan5 |
Calinou: i wasn't saying it's not possible, i just would prefer not being forced to adjust the code in the server list |
| 14:31 |
nerzhul |
the current rewrite permits to understand what MT really needs for an event based proper network protocol, enet is like that too, then this poc can be re-used, you just need to change interfaces |
| 14:32 |
Calinou |
if there's no lag spikes, then I'm ok with it |
| 14:33 |
Calinou |
but lag spikes shouldn't happen in any case, not even on intercontinental gameplay |
| 14:33 |
Calinou |
(US <-> EU) |
| 14:34 |
nerzhul |
i understand, world of warcraft uses TCP + UDP (mainly TCP) and there is no lag, except when servers are overheated :p |
| 14:34 |
nerzhul |
in singleplayer mapblock loading from mtg are as fast as in UDP (mapgen performance |
| 15:24 |
* Krock |
wonders why the locally saved map from a doesn't work |
| 15:24 |
* Krock |
sets backend = sqlite3 after the failure of mintestmapper |
| 15:25 |
Krock |
well yeah, there's not much to read from the disk when there's "dummy" |
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shivajiva |
https://github.com/shivajiva101/sauth |
| 17:27 |
paramat |
mgv7 seed 0 has a good spawn on an island with 2 nice stone arches |
| 17:30 |
Shara |
paramat: just checked it quickly.. would be rather hard to play from. No trees anywhere :P |
| 17:31 |
paramat |
heh yes. 3 arches actually |
| 17:31 |
rdococ |
heh |
| 17:31 |
paramat |
one of which looks like a big zero |
| 17:31 |
rdococ |
"dummy" |
| 17:32 |
Shara |
It would be nice if you started in a biome that has trees |
| 17:32 |
Natechip |
seed 0 has lots of water :P |
| 17:32 |
* Shara |
goes to spy at sauth instead |
| 17:36 |
nerzhul |
i fixed my asio packet orderning issue :) i haven't followed example implementation on writing and there was data race issue betwee nasio threads and MT threads, now it works perfect :D |
| 17:37 |
nerzhul |
if somes want to test network rewrite PR (https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/6485) go to unix-experience.fr port 30001 |
| 17:39 |
paramat |
i found a single bush on the island! .. 1 wood plank |
| 17:39 |
Krock |
Robinson, you're rescued! |
| 17:39 |
shivajiva |
lol hard times for a survival map |
| 17:40 |
Shara |
Seems normal for 7 |
| 17:41 |
Shara |
I always seem to get stuck in endless snow/desert/silver sand |
| 17:41 |
sfan5 |
am i still the only one frequently confusing silver sand and snow? |
| 17:41 |
Shara |
The colours are very different to me |
| 17:43 |
paramat |
"Zero Island" |
| 17:43 |
Natechip |
sfan5: Never confuses me, pretty different colors |
| 17:43 |
sfan5 |
:/ |
| 17:44 |
Natechip |
sfan5: you could change the texture if u need to be more dark |
| 17:46 |
paramat |
anyway there are surrounding islands a short swim away |
| 17:53 |
paramat |
the ripples of silver sand might be a little snowlike, but it's a little too grey for snow |
| 17:58 |
Natechip |
paramat: I saw trees in the distance |
| 18:00 |
Natechip |
ugh I need to reinstall gimp |
| 18:00 |
Natechip |
:/ |
| 18:00 |
Natechip |
maybe ill try https://www.gimp.org/downloads/devel/ :D |
| 18:16 |
IhrFussel |
Regarding the network PR: Please do NOT make a mistake where we will have to SPLIT the MT userbase yet AGAIN ... the 0.5.0 split is critical enough, so I suggest you to add whatever breaking features you want to add to 0.5.0 and maybe delay the release instead |
| 18:17 |
IhrFussel |
Don't think about yourselves core devs, think about the server owners for once! |
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| 18:20 |
paramat |
this network work is for the far future, maybe even 0.6.0 |
| 18:20 |
paramat |
well maybe not 'far' |
| 18:21 |
IhrFussel |
It will be difficult enough to make the players switch to 0.5.0 sometime soon when it's readily available for several platforms |
| 18:21 |
paramat |
this won't be for 0.5.0 |
| 18:21 |
IhrFussel |
nerzhul seemed to want to add it to 0.5.0 through...it's still 2 months |
| 18:21 |
IhrFussel |
though* |
| 18:22 |
paramat |
maybe i misunderstood |
| 18:22 |
IhrFussel |
Why won't you just add everything necessary to ONE combined version instead of splitting the community every 2 years?? |
| 18:22 |
paramat |
but i doubt it would be ready and tested for 0.5.0 |
| 18:23 |
paramat |
'obviously we never think of server owners' ;) |
| 18:23 |
IhrFussel |
We server owners need ONE basic version with no breakages later on where we can just freely add more features onto the existing code |
| 18:24 |
nerzhul |
IhrFussel, 0.5 already split the user base protocol is bumped to last version |
| 18:24 |
nerzhul |
changing transport doesn't change anything |
| 18:24 |
IhrFussel |
nerzhul, I was talking about a stupid 0.6 breakage in the future |
| 18:24 |
nerzhul |
it depend on the contract with user base |
| 18:25 |
paramat |
0.4.0 was 5 years ago |
| 18:25 |
nerzhul |
it's the problem with MT community, we have strong user base, and volatile userbase but second is the most important |
| 18:25 |
IhrFussel |
You make servers lose players with breakages that's why I suggest break everything NOW and don't break anything later on |
| 18:25 |
nerzhul |
paramat, yeah it was in the early MT stage |
| 18:25 |
* rdococ |
spontaneously explodes, being volatile. |
| 18:26 |
nerzhul |
IhrFussel, and i agree with you on that point |
| 18:26 |
paramat |
we're moving to a new major version, it's not something that can be avoided, otherwise you'd be stuck with 0.3 and no modding |
| 18:26 |
nerzhul |
0.5 was done massively to cleanup & do the breakage we need, i don't think a 0.6 can happen soon as many many points in MT are now fixed, only network part is for me the remaining point |
| 18:26 |
paramat |
no breakages == no progress |
| 18:26 |
nerzhul |
it's why i'm working on this now |
| 18:26 |
rdococ |
I mean, it's not like the majority of servers are going to update to 0.5.0 until it's released. |
| 18:26 |
nerzhul |
paramat, it's wrong, breakage = fix hardcore unmaintainable part |
| 18:27 |
IhrFussel |
I'm not against a 0.5.0 ... but I would rather want to have a delayed 0.5.0 with all breakages necessary for the future instead of having a breaking 0.6 in 1-2 years |
| 18:27 |
nerzhul |
except network and server scripting/server loop contension we don't have anymoer difficult point |
| 18:27 |
rdococ |
So I don't think breakages are that much of a problem. |
| 18:27 |
nerzhul |
IhrFussel, the date is not fixed |
| 18:27 |
IhrFussel |
0.6.0* |
| 18:27 |
nerzhul |
we have a 0.4.17 planned for bugfixed at a point, maybe in november, we should decide on an exact date and take 1 Month to prepare the commits to stable-0.4 |
| 18:28 |
paramat |
breakages mean players shift to other servers, MT doesn't lose them, no bad thing |
| 18:28 |
nerzhul |
0.5 should be released when done, if we loose a little bit time but we have an intermediate 0.4.17 it's not so important |
| 18:28 |
nerzhul |
my ASIO PR is nearly complete i think, i need the UDP part for unreliable trafic like player movements and we will be nice |
| 18:30 |
IhrFussel |
I was talking about the future though...IMO it is WRONG to even think about a 0.6.0 already cause that implies "oh there are some features that will break compat again sometime in thr future" |
| 18:30 |
IhrFussel |
Why not implement them into 0.5.0 if you already plan them?? |
| 18:30 |
nerzhul |
IhrFussel, yeah, and i doesn't want to wait X years to make network rework happen :p |
| 18:30 |
rubenwardy |
time |
| 18:30 |
paramat |
sorry me mentioning 0.6 was a misunderstanding |
| 18:30 |
rubenwardy |
we could delay by a few more months to properly test |
| 18:31 |
paramat |
we don't even want to think about it |
| 18:31 |
nerzhul |
rubenwardy, i think it's more reasonable |
| 18:31 |
rubenwardy |
I'd be happy with the PR if it was sufficiently tested |
| 18:31 |
paramat |
i'm happy to delay 0.5.0 as long as needed |
| 18:32 |
IhrFussel |
Yes please just delay 0.5.0 if necessary...it will take LOTS of months for most servers to upgrade anyway cause iOS users will have a bad time |
| 18:32 |
paramat |
i didn't realise this network stuff might be for 0.5, good news |
| 18:32 |
nerzhul |
paramat, i didn't realize it too, but i got some time and motivation to work on it, trashing the whole network stack and rewriting it from scratch with asio lib :p |
| 18:33 |
paramat |
even mentioning MT 0.6 gives me that 'explody head' feeling *=/ |
| 18:34 |
nerzhul |
i don't see any MT 0.6 interest if network is reworked |
| 18:34 |
nerzhul |
another point which should be done is the CSM mod sending |
| 18:34 |
nerzhul |
we need it for 0.5 |
| 18:34 |
nerzhul |
and some CSM pr should be reviewed and merge |
| 18:34 |
nerzhul |
or adopted |
| 18:34 |
rubenwardy |
CSM mod sending is fine for a 5.1 imo |
| 18:35 |
nerzhul |
rubenwardy, there is not breakage for a such thing yes, but it's a soft breakage |
| 18:35 |
nerzhul |
if a server wants to use CSM mod sending and 0.5.0 client connects it's a problem :) |
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| 18:35 |
nerzhul |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/6072 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/6067 & https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/5797 |
| 18:35 |
nerzhul |
they need to be adopted and merged |
| 18:35 |
paramat |
yeah server provided CSM is the more important part of CSM i feel |
| 18:36 |
nerzhul |
i don't have the specs in my head, but i think we can use archives and some validation methods client side on the archive files for example |
| 18:36 |
nerzhul |
i added my server informations on #6485 PR for testers |
| 18:37 |
Megaf |
Welcome back myself! |
| 18:40 |
IhrFussel |
rubenwardy, paramat nerzhul: I'm not trying to call you out on the "poor" work you've done to the engine/project ... you are doing it great, really. It's just not very motivating for a server owner to hear "hey by the way in X years you will lose some players for new features again" |
| 18:42 |
IhrFussel |
To build a playerbase on a server takes hard work ... and these breakages just destroy and sh** all over that work |
| 18:43 |
rubenwardy |
well, thanks for your feedback |
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| 18:46 |
Megaf |
:D |
| 18:46 |
Megaf |
MATE Desktop |
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| 18:58 |
RoaryTiger |
Shara, \o/ |
| 18:58 |
paramat |
so don't worry Ihr, it was a misunderstanding |
| 18:59 |
Fixer |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZ6ZzJeWgpY |
| 19:07 |
IhrFussel |
paramat, I know and I wouldn't criticize all those breakages as much if we could reliably say "players will always use the newest version" ... that is not the case cause (80?)% of mobile users use a 3rd-party-app which isn't up-to-date or have an iDevice |
| 19:07 |
Krock |
Fixer, "If the playback doesn't start soon, then we recommend to restart your device." oh great, youtube |
| 19:12 |
Fixer |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxKOCmW-EiI this also damn good, blew my mind, made with open source |
| 19:15 |
IhrFussel |
I log the protocol version for each joining player and 27,622(!) use version 27 |
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| 19:16 |
tenplus1 |
hi folks |
| 19:16 |
Krock |
hi tenplus1 |
| 19:16 |
tenplus1 |
o/ krock :) |
| 19:18 |
IhrFussel |
Only 8K players who joined have 0.4.16 (prot vers 32) |
| 19:18 |
tenplus1 |
hi fussel |
| 19:18 |
IhrFussel |
Hey tenplus1 |
| 19:18 |
Krock |
IhrFussel, duh.. 0.4.13 |
| 19:19 |
Krock |
horribly outdated |
| 19:19 |
Krock |
and 0 players with proto version >= 35 |
| 19:19 |
Krock |
* >= 36 |
| 19:19 |
tenplus1 |
I wonder why anyone would still use 0.4.13 |
| 19:19 |
IhrFussel |
1K have version 26, 200 25, 300 24 |
| 19:19 |
Krock |
outdated mobile clients |
| 19:20 |
sfan5 |
tenplus1: because it comes with their distro by default |
| 19:20 |
tenplus1 |
gawd... also hi |
| 19:20 |
Krock |
they bundle Minetest into linux distributions? Didn't know that |
| 19:20 |
sfan5 |
well in the repos |
| 19:21 |
sfan5 |
but there's actually one distro that bundles mt or something like that |
| 19:21 |
IhrFussel |
6 joined with version 31 so dev =P |
| 19:22 |
IhrFussel |
Ubuntu 16.04 STILL ships 0.4.13 I think |
| 19:23 |
tenplus1 |
another reason once minetest hits a state of stable'ness it NEEDS a loader to always update it |
| 19:25 |
IhrFussel |
tenplus1, you mean a launcher? Like other MMOs? |
| 19:25 |
rubenwardy |
tenplus1, that's only possible for Windows |
| 19:25 |
rubenwardy |
linux distros won't allow it |
| 19:25 |
rubenwardy |
same for Android |
| 19:25 |
tenplus1 |
really ? damn |
| 19:25 |
rubenwardy |
well, Android has auto updating |
| 19:25 |
sfan5 |
rubenwardy: adding an update notice would be nice tho |
| 19:25 |
sfan5 |
but i heard debian patches those out |
| 19:26 |
tenplus1 |
I'd wanna know if I was running an older version at least... |
| 19:26 |
rubenwardy |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2442 |
| 19:26 |
tenplus1 |
prolly why so many players are using 0.4.13 and .14 |
| 19:26 |
IhrFussel |
A simple info window after starting the game would be enough I think |
| 19:26 |
sfan5 |
rubenwardy: why did you close that |
| 19:26 |
sofar |
can I patch my server to (1) reject 0.4.13 clients on my 0.4.16 server, and (2) send notices to 0.4.15 clients? |
| 19:26 |
sfan5 |
sofar: yes |
| 19:27 |
Krock |
strict_protocol_checking = true |
| 19:27 |
Krock |
or similar |
| 19:27 |
sofar |
I don't want to do strict version checking? |
| 19:27 |
sofar |
that just breaks all of them, afaics |
| 19:27 |
sfan5 |
(1) raise min proto version (2) add custom denying code for certain proto versions |
| 19:27 |
tenplus1 |
does it inform player WHY they cannot connect when using strict protocol checking ? |
| 19:27 |
sofar |
ok, I figured as much |
| 19:27 |
rubenwardy |
yes, tenplus1 |
| 19:27 |
sofar |
it does |
| 19:27 |
Krock |
isn't that doable by mods? I believe we had a PR to get the protocol version once |
| 19:28 |
tenplus1 |
so when 0.5.0 is release I can enable that and it'll let playersknow why they cannot join (gotta update) |
| 19:28 |
IhrFussel |
Is the protocol version check even available in on_prejoinplayer()? |
| 19:28 |
paramat |
IhrFussel the fact that the 0.5 breakage will clear out some mobile players using nasty apps is a good thing and why server owners should switch to 0.5.0 quickly, we intend to use it to encourage them to switch to the official app |
| 19:28 |
sfan5 |
Krock: wasn't that only available in debug mode? |
| 19:28 |
sfan5 |
paramat: the official app sux |
| 19:28 |
Krock |
tenplus1, they won't be even be able to connect even if you allow that |
| 19:29 |
Krock |
sfan5, until someone changed that https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L2342 |
| 19:29 |
sfan5 |
some PR made it available in non-debug then |
| 19:30 |
IhrFussel |
The official app needs some work before players will choose it to play |
| 19:30 |
paramat |
sfan i know, i'm trying to find people to work on it, but unofficial apps suk in different ways |
| 19:30 |
tenplus1 |
what's the diff between official android mt and clones ???? |
| 19:30 |
tenplus1 |
never actually used it |
| 19:30 |
Krock |
the advertisements and cost |
| 19:30 |
IhrFussel |
Mainly the virtual joystick most 3rd-party-clones offer for movement |
| 19:31 |
tenplus1 |
and cant you add that ? |
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| 19:31 |
tenplus1 |
hi thomas |
| 19:31 |
paramat |
i'm trying to find someone who will add the joystick |
| 19:31 |
sofar |
we could but nobody is willing to do the work |
| 19:31 |
IhrFussel |
The creator of Multicraft has been contacted I think |
| 19:31 |
Shara |
tenplus1: sfan5 previously told us a dev could do it in their sleep, but since he doesn't want to, we're stuck |
| 19:32 |
tenplus1 |
hi shara |
| 19:32 |
Shara |
hi tenplus1. How's it going? |
| 19:32 |
sfan5 |
you're taking that statement way too seriously |
| 19:32 |
tenplus1 |
if controls on the official app are lacking and the virtual joystick helps improve this then priority goes to controls |
| 19:32 |
Shara |
Actually, I'm just amused |
| 19:32 |
tenplus1 |
tired but ok... looooong day |
| 19:32 |
paramat |
i would do it if i had an android device. understandably most devs are uninterested, so i'm asking contributors |
| 19:32 |
sfan5 |
i don't like working with android mt simply because the buildsystem is such a nightmare |
| 19:33 |
rubenwardy |
i'm not sure how it even got merged |
| 19:34 |
sfan5 |
"anything is better than nothing" |
| 19:34 |
paramat |
obtw no reply from monte48 yet on the issue |
| 19:34 |
paramat |
*btw |
| 19:34 |
Shara |
okay, thanks for trying paramat |
| 19:35 |
paramat |
oh just got a forum PM from lordfingle |
| 19:36 |
paramat |
says he can work on adding joystick in jan/feb2018 :) |
| 19:36 |
rubenwardy |
once we get the controls fixed, it may we worth getting a Minetest organisation on the play store. I'll help with pointing players torwards it |
| 19:37 |
rubenwardy |
I'm willing to pay for that |
| 19:37 |
rubenwardy |
*it'll |
| 19:38 |
paramat |
the 0.5 breakage is an ideal time to move players to the official app, so it's high priority |
| 19:39 |
paramat |
lordfingle says he *might* be able to do something earlier than year end |
| 19:40 |
sofar |
I'm willing to setup an LLC for steam+android |
| 19:40 |
rubenwardy |
there's no need |
| 19:40 |
rubenwardy |
and a not for profit would be better |
| 19:40 |
sofar |
it's a really smart move to do though |
| 19:41 |
sofar |
non-for profit would be much more complex |
| 19:42 |
Calinou |
why a LLC? you want to sell builds? |
| 19:42 |
Calinou |
I'm meh about this, Minetest isn't polished enough to sell it |
| 19:42 |
Calinou |
this isn't even SuperTuxKart-level polish (!) |
| 19:42 |
sofar |
no, it would be free |
| 19:42 |
sfan5 |
^ agree |
| 19:42 |
Calinou |
ah |
| 19:42 |
sofar |
it would just shield for liability |
| 19:43 |
sofar |
a 503 requires more paperwork |
| 19:43 |
Natechip |
what rlly needs work is compiling for windows |
| 19:43 |
sofar |
we could sell a support package as an addon and pay things like hosting/dev costs |
| 19:43 |
Natechip |
what rlly needs work is compiling for windows |
| 19:44 |
sfan5 |
Natechip: buildbot works for meâ„¢ |
| 19:44 |
sofar |
travis/ci github doesn't work? |
| 19:44 |
Natechip |
sfan5: which ones that |
| 19:44 |
sfan5 |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/tree/master/util/buildbot |
| 19:45 |
Natechip |
oh, nice |
| 19:45 |
Natechip |
I just run the script sfan5? |
| 19:46 |
sfan5 |
dunno |
| 19:46 |
Natechip |
"<sfan5> Natechip: buildbot works for meâ„¢" |
| 19:46 |
Natechip |
so im guessing you do |
| 19:46 |
sfan5 |
you can look at how travis invokes it to find out what you need to do |
| 19:47 |
Natechip |
0kay |
| 19:47 |
Natechip |
okay* |
| 19:47 |
Natechip |
meh, where do I find that |
| 19:48 |
* tenplus1 |
pokes travis with a brick |
| 19:48 |
rubenwardy |
also, I think I should be the leader of any company or not for profit |
| 19:49 |
rubenwardy |
simply due to this: https://i.rubenwardy.com/pkJ3bLetLh.png |
| 19:49 |
sfan5 |
>reading that page |
| 19:50 |
Natechip |
I like that pages minecraft dirt background, makes a great touch |
| 19:50 |
paramat |
hehe |
| 19:50 |
tenplus1 |
lol |
| 19:50 |
Natechip |
:P |
| 19:51 |
Shara |
:D |
| 19:51 |
Krock |
rubenwardy, well yeah. non-profit organisation. Is greenpeace an option? |
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| 19:57 |
Natechip |
random silence... |
| 19:59 |
tenplus1 |
*buurp* |
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| 20:00 |
rubenwardy |
lol, only 13% want to keep the modding questions mega topic |
| 20:00 |
rubenwardy |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=18569 |
| 20:00 |
* Natechip |
spams the poll YES button |
| 20:00 |
rubenwardy |
I mean, of 8 votes |
| 20:01 |
Natechip |
rubenwardy: I rlly need to get rid of this New Member tag LOl |
| 20:01 |
rubenwardy |
you need to post 8 times, iirc |
| 20:01 |
rubenwardy |
but don't spam please :) |
| 20:01 |
paramat |
8, well, that's democracy |
| 20:01 |
Natechip |
I was joking about "Natechip spams the poll YES button" thing |
| 20:02 |
* rdococ |
eats some spam |
| 20:02 |
rubenwardy |
spam to get 8 posts, sorry |
| 20:03 |
Natechip |
ohh |
| 20:03 |
Natechip |
nah I wont |
| 20:06 |
rdococ |
don't to get 8 posts ;) |
| 20:06 |
IhrFussel |
monte48 said something about 0.5.0-dev broke the Android Minetest ... do we have the same problem currently? I mean is there a working 0.5.0-dev Android build? |
| 20:07 |
Natechip |
sfan5: by compiling windows I meant 0.4-stable |
| 20:07 |
Natechip |
not 0.4.16 |
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| 20:13 |
Fixer |
rubenwardy: thats like 9 votes, in statistics, that can have huuuge error |
| 20:14 |
Calinou |
rubenwardy: imagine if the entire Internet was participating in a single forum topic |
| 20:14 |
Calinou |
what could possibly go wrong? :D |
| 20:14 |
rubenwardy |
I've complained about this multiple times |
| 20:14 |
rubenwardy |
it's so stupid |
| 20:15 |
Fixer |
sfan5: minetest needs AppImage /pokes Calinou |
| 20:15 |
Fixer |
official one |
| 20:15 |
Fixer |
ï½ï½†ï½†ï½‰ï½ƒï½‰ï½ï½Œ |
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| 20:17 |
Fixer |
HEY LITTLE DRUM |
| 20:17 |
Fixer |
reading logs |
| 20:18 |
IhrFussel |
"Display topics from previous X" should be "Display topics with posts from previous X" ... is there really no way to just display topics that were created recently? |
| 20:18 |
Fixer |
really, will someone think of the ｌｉｎｕｘ　ｃｈｉｌｄｒｅｎ and provide AppImage for new releases? |
| 20:19 |
Fixer |
https://packages.debian.org/stretch-backports/minetest Not Bad |
| 20:20 |
Fixer |
really glad debian has more backports than previously |
| 20:21 |
Fixer |
sofar: or donation button? some OSS project already went to steam, they have totally free download from their site and paid one on steam to support the dev (more or less) |
| 20:22 |
Calinou |
Fixer: GitLab CI could easily be set to build AppImages |
| 20:22 |
Calinou |
Fixer: people don't use donate buttons, although they do use Patreon |
| 20:22 |
Calinou |
(it's a far more sensible idea, anyway) |
| 20:22 |
rdococ |
One day the world will be entirely automated. And hopefully open-source ;) |
| 20:22 |
tenplus1 |
lolol |
| 20:23 |
Fixer |
yeah, or Patreon, or both |
| 20:24 |
Fixer |
nerzhul: have you tried to automate AppImage building for your pipelines? |
| 20:24 |
rubenwardy |
;) https://www.patreon.com/paramat/posts |
| 20:25 |
rdococ |
Ugh, my internet just completely flatlined. |
| 20:25 |
rdococ |
Again. |
| 20:26 |
Fixer |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jB0vBmiTr6o |
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| 20:27 |
tenplus1 |
nite folks o/ |
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| 20:32 |
nerzhul |
Fixer, no |
| 20:35 |
nerzhul |
sfan5, the android build system in our project yes, i have started to have NDK parts in one of my android app gradle can use cmake it can be nice :p but our dependencies is the problem in fact |
| 20:35 |
nerzhul |
sofar, i already publish official app on android, no need to duplicate work |
| 20:36 |
Fixer |
huge win https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ie4u2i_5OdE |
| 20:37 |
sofar |
nerzhul: yes, but, nobody knows who "Loic Blot" is and whether he is the official MT distributor |
| 20:37 |
sofar |
besides, that's not the point |
| 20:37 |
rubenwardy |
we don't need an LLC to have an official org |
| 20:37 |
rubenwardy |
it is not good that it is under someone's personal profile |
| 20:37 |
sofar |
no, we can do a 503c, or a foundation er |
| 20:37 |
sofar |
it just has to be some legal entity |
| 20:38 |
sofar |
and LLC is really simple |
| 20:38 |
sofar |
503 harder, foundation hardest |
| 20:38 |
rubenwardy |
for a free app you're not selling anything, so you don't need a legal entity at all |
| 20:38 |
rubenwardy |
I'm not sure why you're bring this up |
| 20:39 |
nerzhul |
sofar, strangely it's on my GH profile |
| 20:39 |
sofar |
steam still requires a 100$ deposit |
| 20:39 |
nerzhul |
play store too |
| 20:39 |
nerzhul |
and i already did it :p |
| 20:39 |
sofar |
some people may want to donate in a way |
| 20:39 |
Calinou |
creating a LLC for a non-commercial project feels strange |
| 20:39 |
sofar |
afk kid disaster |
| 20:39 |
Calinou |
this is what Urban Terror did (Frozen Sand) but it sounds shady :P |
| 20:42 |
Fixer |
hhaha |
| 20:42 |
Fixer |
Urban Terror is not open source though |
| 20:43 |
IhrFussel |
Well I gotta say the dev name right now is too long in the playstore...if a player asks me "which app should I download" I have to say "The one by Open Source Softwares by Ner'zhul" |
| 20:44 |
Fixer |
why they even ask in the first place |
| 20:44 |
IhrFussel |
Cause sometimes there are sevaral apps named "Minetest" |
| 20:44 |
IhrFussel |
several* |
| 20:44 |
rubenwardy |
there aren't at the moment |
| 20:44 |
rubenwardy |
there were |
| 20:45 |
IhrFussel |
Let's be honest ^ that dev name doesn't sound very trustworthy |
| 20:45 |
rubenwardy |
that's my main issue |
| 20:45 |
rubenwardy |
if someone tells them to download the official app, it's a strange dev name |
| 20:45 |
Calinou |
nobody trusts Frenchmen :( |
| 20:46 |
Fixer |
Calinou: :D |
| 20:46 |
IhrFussel |
I generally "trust" apps more if the dev seems to be a company |
| 20:46 |
Calinou |
buying code signing certificates for Windows would be nice, too |
| 20:46 |
Calinou |
but that costs even more |
| 20:46 |
Calinou |
and the "open source" certificates (much cheaper than the usual ones) have to use an individual's name, not an organization name |
| 20:46 |
Fixer |
Calinou: minetest is rare on windows |
| 20:47 |
IhrFussel |
*is reading app review comments* "just stupid, you can only walk around and not build anything" |
| 20:48 |
nerzhul |
minetest is rare everywhere, but less than other open source games |
| 20:48 |
Fixer |
IhrFussel: /gamemode 0 |
| 20:48 |
IhrFussel |
They probably joined a non-interact server |
| 20:48 |
nerzhul |
LLC is not useful, we need cool features and more performance :D |
| 20:48 |
rubenwardy |
that's another issue, we need to actually respond to reviews |
| 20:48 |
nerzhul |
the PR count decrease, but since 1 week it's stable |
| 20:49 |
IhrFussel |
YES and please don't use a bot for that like "Thank you for your review, we will continue to improve the software" |
| 20:50 |
rubenwardy |
I respond to every one of my reviews, and I see an average increase in rating https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.rubenwardy.minetestmodmanager |
| 20:50 |
nerzhul |
we don't have that, or do you mean somebody lies and doesn't tell me paramat is a bot ? :p |
| 20:50 |
nerzhul |
rubenwardy, yeah, i do it on my apps, but not MT, what do you want to asnwer to: "this app is shit it's not minecraft" ? |
| 20:50 |
rubenwardy |
well, you ignore those |
| 20:51 |
nerzhul |
i can give your rights to answer |
| 20:51 |
rubenwardy |
but for the "I can't build" ones you at least ask for more inforamtion |
| 20:51 |
IhrFussel |
WTH? "You can't craft or build anything. Even my younger brother would've made a better game" |
| 20:51 |
nerzhul |
if it's on the play store app it's not lgtm |
| 20:51 |
rubenwardy |
it's liekly, they're on a server |
| 20:51 |
nerzhul |
7.3k installations not bad |
| 20:52 |
nerzhul |
rubenwardy, send me a mail i invite you on play store |
| 20:52 |
IhrFussel |
2.8K ratings -> 3.6 / 5.0 |
| 20:53 |
nerzhul |
strangely android installations are 1: brasil (1.1k) 2: russia (732) |
| 20:53 |
nerzhul |
US (585), argentina (442) and germany (313) |
| 20:54 |
nerzhul |
and many crashed :( |
| 20:54 |
paramat |
hehe |
| 20:54 |
rubenwardy |
for me it's US (179), Germany (79), France (59) |
| 20:56 |
Calinou |
Brazil has a longstanding culture of disliking paid software in general |
| 20:56 |
Calinou |
like Russia :P |
| 20:57 |
IhrFussel |
Many seem to not understand that you have to TAP the screen to build/dig |
| 20:58 |
IhrFussel |
We should probably add an info for that |
| 21:04 |
rubenwardy |
one problem: I don't speak german |
| 21:10 |
IhrFussel |
rubenwardy, most Germans understand basic English... we start to learn English in the 3rd grade |
| 21:11 |
IhrFussel |
So at the age of 8-9 |
| 21:12 |
IhrFussel |
Just the elder people didn't learn English at school...they had to learn Russian instead |
| 21:13 |
IhrFussel |
I mean the < 1990 generations |
| 21:15 |
IhrFussel |
Lua stack question: Is a race condition possible if one mod opens a file on globalstep and another opens the same file in on_player_hpchange()? |
| 21:15 |
sfan5 |
all lua use is single threaded |
| 21:16 |
IhrFussel |
So the same file can never be opened by more than one mod at the same time? |
| 21:16 |
IhrFussel |
Or callback* |
| 21:16 |
sfan5 |
wtf no |
| 21:20 |
sofar |
rubenwardy: what does "needs basename" even mean? |
| 21:20 |
sofar |
rubenwardy: https://minetest-mods.rubenwardy.com/status/?a=sofar |
| 21:24 |
Krock |
[modname] missing in the topic title |
| 21:24 |
sofar |
it's there |
| 21:24 |
sofar |
the forum is NOT an API for crying out loud |
| 21:27 |
sofar |
Krock: compare: |
| 21:27 |
sofar |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=12005 |
| 21:27 |
sofar |
to |
| 21:28 |
sofar |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=11795 |
| 21:28 |
sofar |
is the capital W really the problem? |
| 21:29 |
Krock |
no, the database is outdated. Sorry |
| 21:29 |
sofar |
that page has been like that for a year+ |
| 21:29 |
sofar |
lol |
| 21:29 |
sofar |
no excuses |
| 21:30 |
Calinou |
rubenwardy: I've been learning German since a few weeks ago :P |
| 21:30 |
Calinou |
sooner or later, I'll know French, English, Spanish and German |
| 21:30 |
Calinou |
(to varying degrees, of course) |
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| 21:44 |
rubenwardy |
sofar, there's no better source for completion currently |
| 21:44 |
rubenwardy |
RE: the forum is not an API |
| 21:45 |
rubenwardy |
did you change something? Unless you bump the post, Krock's crawler doesn't see it AFAIk |
| 21:46 |
Fixer |
"Even my younger brother would've made a better game" |
| 21:47 |
Fixer |
bestest |
| 21:47 |
rubenwardy |
plot twist: their younger brother is a game developer |
| 21:47 |
Krock |
rubenwardy, doesn't matter anymore. The crawler went through the whole section |
| 21:48 |
rubenwardy |
nice |
| 21:48 |
rubenwardy |
I should update then |
| 21:48 |
Krock |
good plot twist :) |
| 21:48 |
* rdococ |
twists hard |
| 21:53 |
sofar |
wait, I gotta bump my forum threads for this to work? |
| 21:53 |
rubenwardy |
no, sofar |
| 21:53 |
sofar |
can't it periodically refetch threads and refresh? |
| 21:53 |
rubenwardy |
Krock made it do that |
| 21:53 |
sofar |
well I just ... changed something. I don't even know if it's correct or not |
| 21:54 |
rubenwardy |
updated the site, a few of those in red disappeared |
| 21:54 |
sofar |
looks like Warps is now green |
| 21:54 |
sofar |
emote/lightning isn't |
| 21:55 |
rubenwardy |
http://krock-works.16mb.com/MTstuff/modSearch.php?st=0&at=0&q=lightning |
| 21:55 |
sofar |
no idea what else to change |
| 21:55 |
rubenwardy |
I get the title information from there, and it's just lightning |
| 21:56 |
rubenwardy |
same for emotes |
| 21:56 |
sofar |
but |
| 21:56 |
sofar |
how is that different from warps, or crops? |
| 21:56 |
rubenwardy |
I don't know |
| 21:56 |
rubenwardy |
something weird with Krock's parser |
| 21:56 |
rubenwardy |
warps and crops both have mod names in his search |
| 21:56 |
rubenwardy |
but not emote and lightning |
| 21:57 |
rdococ |
gah |
| 21:57 |
rdococ |
I pressed the button I shouldn't have done |
| 21:57 |
sofar |
afk some more |
| 21:58 |
rdococ |
Krock, why ;-; |
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| 22:29 |
rubenwardy |
ooh, sub game idea - settling the new world |
| 22:30 |
Fixer |
huh? |
| 22:30 |
Fixer |
rubenwardy: you are settling it in mtg anyway |
| 22:30 |
Fixer |
it is just that sam has no hunger and enemies and such |
| 22:31 |
Fixer |
or hanger |
| 22:31 |
rubenwardy |
you arrive in a strange new continent with nothing except your family and the few processions in your backpack |
| 22:32 |
rubenwardy |
wouldn't work so well on servers |
| 22:44 |
IhrFussel |
My server has a level system and now players who die lose EXP ... I got that concept from a MMO =P |
| 23:04 |
Megaf |
2017-10-01 18:54:54: ERROR[Server]: /home/minetest/Minetest_Source/src/server.cpp:73: virtual void* Server |
| 23:04 |
Megaf |
: Failed to save block: database or disk is full |
| 23:04 |
Megaf |
no good |
| 23:07 |
Fixer |
nice |
| 23:07 |
Fixer |
good job |
| 23:10 |
* Fixer |
in 90s - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJ01EDhL0VM |
