IRC log for #minetest-hub, 2017-09-03

Time	Nick	Message
00:14	sofar	rubenwardy: sfinv has been really useful btw
00:14	rubenwardy	yay LD
00:15	rubenwardy	my inspiration for sfinv was UI's and inventory_plus' APIs
00:15	rubenwardy	in that my aim was to do it not like either of those :D
00:16	benrob0329	I like u_i's button based creative inventory though
00:17	rubenwardy	benrob0329: sfinv is themable
00:17	rubenwardy	no one has written themes yet, however
00:17	rubenwardy	also, benrob0329: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=16290
00:17	benrob0329	...that isn't theming
00:18	benrob0329	thats base ux
00:18	rubenwardy	oh, button based >creative inventory<
00:18	rubenwardy	sounds like a hack
00:18	benrob0329	its really nice
00:18	benrob0329	no dragging
00:18	rubenwardy	heh
00:18	benrob0329	just clicking for a stack
00:18	rubenwardy	it would be easier to make sfinv do that
00:19	rubenwardy	*easy
00:19	benrob0329	a switch to go into stack mode?
00:31	rubenwardy	benrob0329, https://patch-diff.githubusercontent.com/raw/minetest/minetest_game/pull/1808.patch
00:31	rubenwardy	uses buttons instead of an inventory in creative
00:31	rubenwardy	also adds a +/- for expanding and contracting
00:31	rubenwardy	you could ignore the sfinv changes, and just do the creative ones
00:32	benrob0329	nice
00:32	rubenwardy	from https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/1808
00:33	benrob0329	too bad it never got merged ðŸ™
00:34	rubenwardy	also, did you know you can shift click to go from creative to main immediately?
00:34	rubenwardy	list rings
00:35	benrob0329	i did, its still slower because its 1x1
00:35	rubenwardy	creative works on the assumption that you only need one of something, anyway
00:36	rubenwardy	which isn't true with mods
00:36	rubenwardy	so yeah :/
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01:05	Calinou	haha, found a glorious bug
01:05	Calinou	set `movement_liquid_fluidity = 0` and `movement_liquid_fluidity_smooth = 0`, jump in water
01:05	Calinou	you will be stuck, if you press the "fly" key, you'll be teleported to a (nan, nan, nan) location
01:06	Calinou	(you'll see only void)
02:09	Calinou	there, I set up a server
02:09	Calinou	not much going on so far, there's a default password (123, noted in the server name/description) to keep guests/mobile clients out :)
02:09	Calinou	it uses PostgreSQL, and has an hourly map render here: http://games.hugo.pro/minetest/map_calinou.png
02:17	Calinou	server configuration, for those interested: https://gist.github.com/Calinou/683cb0748efe867be6e18f86f206a6b7
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02:20	Calinou	my map rendering now is automatically optimized using oxipng, too :P
02:20	Calinou	(saves 26% currently)
02:23	Calinou	>ACTION[Server]: Server: User Kowalcyk220 at ... supplied wrong password (auth mechanism: SRP).
02:23	Calinou	my evil plan is working! >:D
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02:46	tumeninodes	Calinou, oxipng looks interesting... never even heard of it.
02:47	* Sokomine	turns calinous evil plan into a friendly plan
02:47	tumeninodes	hi Sokomine
02:48	benrob0329	Hi Sokomine, Calinou
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03:12	Sokomine	hi tumeninodes, benrob0329
03:13	benrob0329	whats up?
03:17	tumeninodes	whats down? (hi benrob)
03:17	benrob0329	nothing much
03:18	benrob0329	slowly getting proprietary chat services out of my life
03:18	srifqi	like what?
03:18	benrob0329	Discord
03:18	tumeninodes	hard to let go of popular formats/platforms
03:19	benrob0329	hopefully Facebook, and Hangouts for the one guy I talk to on there
03:19	benrob0329	I de-Microsoft-ed, and have almost de-Google-ed
03:19	tumeninodes	I dropped fakebook a looong time ago (well just recently opened one under tumeninodes but will prob drop that as well)
03:20	benrob0329	I have a small group I talk to on there
03:20	benrob0329	thats about it
03:20	benrob0329	I can get my daily dose of memes elsewhere ðŸ˜
03:20	tumeninodes	ha
03:21	tumeninodes	deep studies on what others had for breakfast
03:21	benrob0329	nothing today
03:21	tumeninodes	I had a piece of cold pizza (breakfast of champions)
03:21	benrob0329	I had a couple waffles the other day, and an apple
03:22	benrob0329	most days I eat PB&J
03:22	tumeninodes	pb&j pups?
03:22	benrob0329	nah, just normal pb&j ðŸ˜›
03:23	tumeninodes	I tend to forget to eat, often 2-3 days in a row
03:24	bigfoot547	uuuhhh
03:24	bigfoot547	I'm usually reminded bu stomach pains lol
03:24	bigfoot547	s/bu/by*
03:24	benrob0329	if I'm in the middle of a big project I can just not eat
03:24	benrob0329	or pee
03:24	tumeninodes	hey bigfoot. idk, I have just never felt "hungry"
03:25	bigfoot547	Hmm
03:25	bigfoot547	like never?
03:25	tumeninodes	hahahaha how do you "not pee"?? o_0
03:25	benrob0329	I hate stopping when I'm doing somthing
03:26	benrob0329	and I am very good at holding it, so the combo makes for long bursts of work
03:26	tumeninodes	bigfoot, never. When people say "I'm starving" I honestly have no idea what that actually feels like
03:26	bigfoot547	tumeninodes: That's odd...
03:26	tumeninodes	I know, I've been told many times
03:27	bigfoot547	Well, I would say you aren't missing a lot, but I don't know what I'd be w/o hunger pains...
03:27	tumeninodes	I gusta pee though...
03:27	benrob0329	I don't know what it's like to have perfect vision cries
03:27	benrob0329	I might get lazer surgery someday, or at least that's the plan
03:28	tumeninodes	I used to have 20/20, but the diebetis fixed that :P
03:28	benrob0329	and finally ditch the glasses, of which put on my avatar
03:28	benrob0329	*I never put
03:29	tumeninodes	lazer surgery is a miracle. I had an Uncle in his elderly years get it, he had been legally blind all his life, and was finally able to see a bit at eol
03:29	benrob0329	wow, that was probably awesome
03:30	tumeninodes	He was happy :)
03:30	bigfoot547	I have bad eyes...
03:30	benrob0329	I'm happy for him! It's be like being cured of color-blindness and seeing a sunrise, or hearing music after being deaf your whole life
03:30	tumeninodes	I think he could just make out shadows of people all his life, after the surgery he could see us as a blur but much better he said and with some color
03:31	tumeninodes	I watched a few vids on a new medical breakthrough that is helping deaf people... stopped at the 3rd vid cuz my eyes were too watery :P
03:32	benrob0329	lol, its always nice to see some uplifting videos once in a while
03:32	tumeninodes	I currently need over the counter non Rx glasses for many thing now.
03:33	benrob0329	the world is too depressing to always watch sad things, or news
03:33	tumeninodes	yeh, I'm a softy ever since my first child was born... it made me... squishy :/
03:34	tumeninodes	I was always odd with emotions all my life till my first born... And I never watch news, never liked it
03:34	benrob0329	heh, its life; what else did you expect? :-)
03:35	tumeninodes	actually I rarely watch any tv, when I do it is mostly cbc or bbc..., online
03:35	benrob0329	Doctor Who :^)
03:35	tumeninodes	yes
03:35	benrob0329	its pretty much the only modern TV show I like anymore
03:36	benrob0329	I really hope the new writers get it rite
03:36	benrob0329	*right
03:36	benrob0329	Female doctor makes me nervous, but it can be done
03:37	tumeninodes	admittedly I have miised quite a few newer seasons..., I mostly watched it in the 80s, tom baker
03:37	tumeninodes	I don't see why not. I think with the right actress, it will be really good. The dr is supposed to be able to be anyone
03:38	benrob0329	the actress isn't my worry
03:38	tumeninodes	my son LOVES dr who though
03:39	benrob0329	the writers may go full liberal pushing and do a bunch of political things in my favorite scifi show
03:39	benrob0329	which would hurt, a lot
03:39	tumeninodes	well, as long as the lib writers don;t ruin it by using the show to push their narratives, should be fine. WOuld be a shame to see such an iconic show (long running) fall apart due to politics and PC
03:39	benrob0329	we already got a lot of reminders about the companion's gender in s10
03:39	benrob0329	like, a LOT
03:40	tumeninodes	heavy sigh
03:40	benrob0329	instead of where it made sense
03:40	benrob0329	like when they were in Roman times, and it would have made sense because non-straightness was common
03:40	tumeninodes	BS is So over pushed these days..., I'm gonna go back to the 70s, I was happy then
03:41	benrob0329	Patrick had a lot of good episodes, I say we go back to the 60s :P
03:41	tumeninodes	idk, 60s were rough too :P
03:41	benrob0329	1st doctor was rough
03:41	tumeninodes	nobody knew who they were
03:42	benrob0329	2nd was pretty good
03:42	tumeninodes	haha
03:42	benrob0329	3rd was good too
03:42	tumeninodes	I love watching old shows.
03:42	benrob0329	6 and 7 were kinda rough
03:42	benrob0329	haven't watched any of 5 yet
03:43	tumeninodes	heh, just thinking "it's a good thing this isn't a minetest related irc :D"
03:43	benrob0329	I do really like the 80s theme though, at least part of the extended theme :P
03:43	tumeninodes	well the good thing about all the seasons Ive missed is..., longer binge watch session
03:44	benrob0329	we don't have a DW IRC channel unfortunetly
03:44	benrob0329	#doctorwho :PP
03:44	tumeninodes	hey, you could start one
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03:45	tumeninodes	hey Nate.... chip?
03:45	benrob0329	Doesn't look like its availeble
03:45	tumeninodes	means is exists
03:45	benrob0329	invite only
03:45	tumeninodes	*it
03:45	tumeninodes	that's stupid
03:46	benrob0329	some matrix rooms are taken like that too, really annoying
03:46	tumeninodes	reserved for "special people"
03:46	benrob0329	like #blender:matrix.org is taken
03:46	benrob0329	but invite only
03:47	benrob0329	so i had to make #blenderunofficial:matrix.org
03:47	tumeninodes	hehe
03:47	benrob0329	its not as pretty
03:47	tumeninodes	"blender" isn't pretty
03:48	tumeninodes	I swear they make it more difficult to use for hobbyists every other release
03:48	benrob0329	also, typing without your index finder is supprisingly difficult (my fingers are sticky)
03:48	benrob0329	I'm a hobbiest ;-)
03:48	benrob0329	blender is really consistent once you learn the basics
03:49	benrob0329	also, themes
03:50	tumeninodes	problem for me is, each time I use it, I forgot what I learned the last time
03:50	benrob0329	then you don't use it enough
03:50	benrob0329	:P
03:51	tumeninodes	nah, I have a medical issue which has greatly impacted my memory functions
03:51	benrob0329	its like learning Vim, you have to use it to keep the knowledge
03:51	benrob0329	ah
03:51	benrob0329	sorry to hear that
03:51	tumeninodes	yeh... sucks. But upside, I forget all the thingsI don;t want to remember :D
03:52	benrob0329	I'd like that sometimes, but then again our experiences is what makes us, us.
03:52	benrob0329	*are
03:52	tumeninodes	it's really frustrating and often embarrassing but, I just keep my humor up.
03:53	tumeninodes	well, our experiences in life have been impacted by fakebook... They broke time
03:53	benrob0329	nah, just security
03:53	tumeninodes	used to be people would come and go throughout your life... they took that part away
03:54	benrob0329	the internet as a whole took that away
03:54	tumeninodes	yes
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03:54	tumeninodes	most of society was not ready to handle the web
03:55	benrob0329	most of society was not ready for computers in general
03:56	benrob0329	i kinda wish that I had been born into the 60s-70s computer market, having to mail in software for real Unix systems
03:56	tumeninodes	I had never even touched a pc until, I think some time in maybe around 1999 - 2001 can;t rmember which year
03:58	tumeninodes	my first pc was a 350mhz intel pentium with 64 mb ram and a ???mb hdd :P then I started seeing pc at curbs everywhere and just started grabbing them and taught myself what I could
03:59	tumeninodes	used win95 first few months, then found solaris, then linux. Although I do also still have all my old Mac stuff with os9 and X10.02
04:00	tumeninodes	my powermac G4 and a few G3 iMacs all still run perfectly :)
04:01	tumeninodes	I dislike anything Mac newer than those
04:06	benrob0329	tumeninodes: I dislike Mac in general
04:07	tumeninodes	hmmm arch has an oxipng build but none for ubuntu, mint, or even debian? (have to recheck debian)
04:07	tumeninodes	I dislike their "merger" with MS
04:08	tumeninodes	mc os9 is unkillable..., and osx 10.2 was their last decent work
04:10	tumeninodes	an oxipng .deb would sure be nice
04:10	benrob0329	So an older person using old technology is a neckbeard, an old person using new technology is hip, a young person using new technology is naive, and a young person using old technology is a hipster.
04:10	benrob0329	I see no way to win.
04:11	tumeninodes	hahaha Ima "neckbeard?" wth does that even mean?
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04:12	tumeninodes	I might even be "hip" but I don't want to be. I was "hip" in the late 70s
04:13	tumeninodes	me n my bell bottom corduroys ;)
04:13	benrob0329	Lolol
04:13	tumeninodes	they were burgandy
04:15	tumeninodes	and NO ONE today would dare wear shirts that were the "yellow" we had then
04:15	tumeninodes	we were a scary generation
04:17	tumeninodes	a well known fact. If kids today, laugh at what you wore yesterday... you were cool. 8^)
04:19	benrob0329	Heh, kids today are driven by trends and memes
04:19	benrob0329	Not that any other generation wasn't...
04:19	tumeninodes	hmmmm, I'm suddenly getting ideas for a 70's texture pack. with corduroy for wool, ohhhh yyyyyehhhhhh
04:20	tumeninodes	mine was a memeless generation :(
04:21	benrob0329	Memes are viral trends, the internet was just the perfect cradle for them :-)
04:21	tumeninodes	every generation, drives the last generation nuts but, in the late 90's things skipped a few generations and went mental
04:22	tumeninodes	I think our memes were our basically impressions we'd do of other people to make kids laugh
04:22	benrob0329	BTW, any time you want to make some Doctor Who textures, I've got that tardis mod that needs a lot of work :P
04:23	benrob0329	I might work on that a little this week
04:24	tumeninodes	oh, ok... I'll definitely work on some stuff then. I thought you were one of those "loner" type workers haha
04:24	benrob0329	Well, I am and i'm not
04:24	tumeninodes	hahaaaa, same
04:25	benrob0329	I like my projects to be mine, but I wont turn down help
04:26	tumeninodes	I am rather "specific" in my tastes but, if I don;t know how to do something, I nag someone
04:26	benrob0329	The whole thing is up on github atm, and it ran last I checked so you shouldnt run into any trouble
04:26	tumeninodes	my kid was asking me about it the other day, actually. I'll grab it in the morning
04:27	benrob0329	The entire interior style is getting redone however, as is the spawining of it
04:27	tumeninodes	were you able to get the rooms figured out?
04:27	benrob0329	Going to aim for a more Toyota style interior as the main one, and add other options
04:27	benrob0329	Not yet, but I have some ideas
04:27	benrob0329	Mostly just spawning blocks
04:28	tumeninodes	ok cool
04:28	benrob0329	The trick is getting everything lined up
04:28	benrob0329	And built
04:29	benrob0329	If corner stairs are a dev only thing, then this may be a 0.5 only mod :P
04:29	benrob0329	The current git isn't, but once the new interiors come out it might be
04:30	benrob0329	I'm actually really happy with how it looks so far
04:30	tumeninodes	wait?? oh, yeh nvm I forgot the corner stairs got merged into dev
04:30	benrob0329	New, bigger console and a darker color scheme
04:30	tumeninodes	I have to check cuz now I'm getting bummed out (I only use stable)
04:31	tumeninodes	though I already have them on my 4.16 anyway :P
04:31	benrob0329	Need a better light color for the time rotor though, possibly a custom node
04:31	tumeninodes	are you particular to nodeboxes or mesh?
04:31	benrob0329	Yellow mere lamps just don't do it
04:31	benrob0329	*mese
04:32	benrob0329	Mesh
04:34	benrob0329	Nodeboxes are strange to me, and I can't imagine how texturing them is
04:34	tumeninodes	I just grabbed the tardis
04:35	tumeninodes	Meh, it depends on how intricate the object it
04:35	tumeninodes	texturing is basic, not as flexible as a mesh
04:36	tumeninodes	*is
04:36	benrob0329	I should make the time-space throttle an animated node
04:36	benrob0329	Unfortunately animated nodes are hard
04:37	tumeninodes	if you want a smooth animation then yes
04:37	tumeninodes	if you just want to do positions it should be easy
04:37	benrob0329	And it would make the mode heavier than I would like
04:38	benrob0329	With entities and such
04:39	tumeninodes	when you start getting those rooms set up it's gonna get heavy
04:39	benrob0329	Depends, if 20 people try to run around an ungenerated tardis then ot will me heavy
04:40	benrob0329	If they mostly stay in the console room, then it's probably fine
04:40	tumeninodes	hahaha yes..., yes it will
04:40	benrob0329	It'll be worth it though :P
04:40	Sokomine	just send some forward in time a bit. then there's enough room :-)
04:41	benrob0329	If we had a dungeon api that would help
04:42	tumeninodes	wait? isn't there an api for dungeons? I thought paramat had some stuff around
04:42	benrob0329	AFAIK you can define dungeon decorations, but not new dungeons
04:42	tumeninodes	dammt
04:42	tumeninodes	*i
04:42	tumeninodes	:P
04:43	benrob0329	The trick will be getting all the hallways lined up
04:43	tumeninodes	omg... I'm trying to focus and my eye keeps wandering off
04:44	tumeninodes	maths.. trajectories
04:45	benrob0329	They all need to be built in the same cuboid area
04:45	benrob0329	As do the rooms, then it'll line up fine
04:45	tumeninodes	sorry benrob, I'll have to sign off in a few my eye gets wonky when the muscles get tired.
04:46	tumeninodes	can you use WE for all that? or some other schematics
04:46	benrob0329	Alright, ttyl
04:47	tumeninodes	I'll check this out in the morning ttyl,
04:47	benrob0329	MT schems, its just time
04:48	tumeninodes	oh yeh,,, you basically mostly need just coords right?
04:48	tumeninodes	ok this is getting too difficult on my reeree eye aha nite ttyl
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04:49	benrob0329	Pretty much, and the actual generation code
04:49	benrob0329	Bah, stupid signal drops
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08:35	tenplus1	hi folkas
08:37	rdococ	humanoids
08:37	tenplus1	hi rdococ
08:37	* tenplus1	performs robotic h andshake
08:37	* rdococ	eats the hand
08:37	* rdococ	then loses his teeth
08:38	tenplus1	lol, was made out of pizza anyhoo
08:38	rdococ	oh :P
08:38	rdococ	lol
08:38	tenplus1	is common practise in my culture to eat the hand that feeds you
08:38	tenplus1	literally
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08:39	tenplus1	hi lisac
08:40	lisac	hey tenplus1
08:40	lisac	basic_machines seems very very hard to setup
08:42	tenplus1	it can be fiddly, yes... but once you figure them out you can merge together machines to do almost anything
08:43	Raven262	Hi tenplus1
08:44	tenplus1	o/ raven
08:45	lisac	is there no simple basic factory mod
08:45	lisac	:(
08:46	Raven262	My new linux works sooooo nice :D
08:46	Raven262	Its good to be back on linux
08:47	tenplus1	w00t! what ya using .?
08:47	Raven262	Kubuntu
08:47	tenplus1	ooh, eye candy central :P
08:47	lisac	Client: HexChat 2.12.4 â€¢ OS: Ubuntu "zesty" 17.04 â€¢ CPU: AMD A8-7600 Radeon R7, 10 Compute Cores 4C+6G (1.40GHz) â€¢ Memory: Physical: 6.6 GiB Total (4.6 GiB Free) Swap: 7.9 GiB Total (7.9 GiB Free) â€¢ Storage: 617.5 GB / 1.1 TB (472.0 GB Free) â€¢ VGA: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Kaveri [Radeon R7 Graphics] @ Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 15h â€¢ Uptime: 14m 2s
08:47	Raven262	file:///media/corvus/194DFE29509922E4/minetest-0.4.16-win64/textures/John Smith for 0.4.16
08:48	Raven262	not that
08:48	Raven262	no
08:48	Raven262	./+o+- corvusCorvus-PC
08:48	Raven262	yyyyy- -yyyyyy+ OS: Ubuntu 17.04 zesty
08:48	Raven262	://+//////-yyyyyyo Kernel: x86_64 Linux 4.10.0-33-generic
08:48	Raven262	.++ .:/++++++/-.+sss/` Uptime: 10h 2m
08:48	Raven262	.:++o: /++++++++/:--:/- Packages: 2168
08:48	lisac	nooooooo
08:48	Raven262	o:+o+:++.`..```.-/oo+++++/ Shell: bash 4.4.7
08:48	Raven262	.:+o:+o/. `+sssoo+/ Resolution: 1280x1024
08:48	Raven262	.++/+:+oo+o:` /sssooo. DE: KDE5
08:48	Raven262	/+++//+:`oo+o /::--:. WM: KWin
08:48	Raven262	\+/+o+++`o++o ++////. GTK Theme: Breeze [GTK2], Default [GTK3]
08:48	Raven262	.++.o+++oo+:` /dddhhh. Icon Theme: breeze
08:48	Raven262	.+.o+oo:. `oddhhhh+ Font: Noto Sans Regular
08:48	lisac	Raven262, wtf
08:48	Raven262	\+.++o+o``-````.:ohdhhhhh+ CPU: AMD A8-7600 Radeon R7, 10 Compute Cores 4C+6G @ 3.1GHz
08:48	lisac	use pastebin
08:48	Raven262	`:o+++ `ohhhhhhhhyo++os: GPU: Gallium 0.4 on AMD KAVERI (DRM 2.49.0 / 4.10.0-33-generic, LLVM 4.0.0)
08:48	Raven262	.o:`.syhhhhhhh/.oo++o` RAM: 810MiB / 5912MiB
08:48	Raven262	/osyyyyyyo++ooo+++/
08:48	Raven262	````` +oo+++o\:
08:48	Raven262	`oo++.
08:48	Raven262	there
08:48	Raven262	next time
08:50	tenplus1	Client: Pidgin 2.12.0 â€¢ OS: Ubuntu "artful" 17.10 â€¢ CPU: Intel Atom, 2 Cores HT (1.80GHz) â€¢ Memory: Physical: 4.0 GiB â€¢ Storage: 120 GB Sandisk Sata2 SSD â€¢ VGA: Nvidia Ion.v2
08:51	lisac	hey tenplus1 do /CTCP lisac version
08:51	tenplus1	wat's that do ?
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08:51	lisac	it gives you my client version
08:51	Krock	hi tenplus1
08:51	tenplus1	heh
08:51	tenplus1	hi Krock
08:51	lisac	hey Krock
08:51	Krock	I was faster this time :D
08:51	Krock	hi lisac
08:51	Raven262	Hi Krock
08:51	Krock	hello Raven262
08:58	tenplus1	I take it that CSM mods can have a dependency set and view server mods' global vars ?
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09:11	tenplus1	hi zeno
09:11	Zeno`	hi 3
09:11	Zeno`	:)
09:12	Zeno`	how's things?
09:12	tenplus1	not bad, am tired this morning tho...
09:12	tenplus1	you ?
09:12	Zeno`	tenplus1, do you want to fork and maintain the official version of caverealms-lite?
09:12	Zeno`	I'm a bit tired as well but ok, thank you
09:12	tenplus1	isnt shara doing that already?
09:13	Zeno`	possibly yeah. I noticed some commits from her. I'll ask :)
09:47	shivajiva	Hi Zeno o/
09:47	tenplus1	hi shiva
09:48	shivajiva	Hiya tenplus
09:49	Zeno`	hi
09:49	Zeno`	brb
09:59	tenplus1	Protector Redo updated to 2.3 - localised many of the global functions, tidied code, updated readme
10:03	Zeno`	for the record, I never accused him of murder :/ My words were something along the lines of "... may have contributed to ... due to causing undue stress"
10:06	shivajiva	the email trail clearly shows no accusation of murder from you Zeno, it's just another dumb manipulation of the facts designed to make him look like a victim when he's actually the perpetrator
10:08	shivajiva	it's something children do rather than face up to reality
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10:21	tenplus1	hi nrz
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10:22	tenplus1	o/ DS-minetest
10:22	DS-minetest	o/ tenplus1
10:22	DS-minetest	hi all
10:22	cx384	hi
10:22	tenplus1	hi cx384
10:22	cx384	oh hello tenplus1
10:23	nerzhul	hi
10:31	tenplus1	brb, making noms
10:37	tenplus1	am having sweet & sour chicken with rice
10:37	tenplus1	soooo much preperation involved (remove label, blitz in microwave for 6 mins)
10:40	shivajiva	lol
10:43	lisac	I think I've still got some instant noodles here.
10:43	lisac	I forgot about them.
10:43	* lisac	is away for 5 minutes
10:47	nerzhul	i'm a little bit a Lua API noob in mod usage, sometimes, how can we check a player privilege by name ?
10:47	nerzhul	i'm working on a callback to bypass user limit defined by mods, i want to move a hardcoded privilege check part from core to lua (as those privileges are purely defined in builtin)
10:47	tenplus1	minetest.check_player_privs(name, {creative = true})
10:48	nerzhul	okay, and the hashmap for privilege is player has all privileges or one ?
10:49	tenplus1	local privs = minetest.get_player_privs(user:get_player_name()) ; if privs["server"] then ----
10:49	tenplus1	could use that
11:02	nerzhul	ty tenplus1
11:03	nerzhul	i have the PR for the user limit bypass :)
11:03	tenplus1	limit bypass ?
11:04	nerzhul	max_users
11:04	nerzhul	with my pr a mod can permits some users to bypass the limit, as wanted
11:04	tenplus1	ahh, so a whitelist
11:05	Shara	tenplus1: It's because several servers are having problems with players getting refused before the cap is reached, and it seems to be due to all the app players taking forever to connect but using a slot while they do
11:05	Shara	RC often refuses players at around 17/30, which is much too soon
11:06	Shara	So we wanted a way to let regular players in while that is going on
11:09	celeron55	meh
11:09	tenplus1	hi celeron
11:10	Shara	Hi celeron55
11:10	celeron55	oops, now the other posts remain
11:10	nerzhul	yeah
11:10	nerzhul	see https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/6369
11:12	nerzhul	for the limit you mention Shara we fixed it in master, it's the session state check, 0.4.X checks created sessions instead of active sessions
11:13	nerzhul	with the PR you can have 30/30 and permits with mods some users based on name or IP to connects
11:13	celeron55	i don't like it that can_bypass_userlimit is named completely differently than register_on_userlimit_check
11:14	Shara	Ahh, so next release already had a way to handle this?
11:14	celeron55	use the same name so it's easier to find stuff
11:14	celeron55	register_can_bypass_userlimit or something
11:15	celeron55	just like the on_joinplayer/register_on_joinplayer below it
11:20	tenplus1	hi shara
11:21	tenplus1	can anyone think of a better way to show that crops are fully grown ?
11:21	* Shara	never had a problem with the current way
11:22	tenplus1	same, but a few players were complaining about harvesting crops and getting nothing... they were digging them up half grown
11:25	Raven262	Make golden sparkles shine all around the fully grown ones :P
11:26	Raven262	That should gather some attention
11:26	tenplus1	particle overflow :P
11:26	Raven262	Tell players to use F5?
11:28	Shara	tenplus1: It's a good lesson in paying attention to detail
11:29	tenplus1	so true :)
11:29	tenplus1	was thinking of making them slower to dig when half-fgrown and immediate dig fully grown
11:29	Shara	If you add some weird effect to fully grown crops, I'll be forking or dropping the mod, because I don't want that. I like it when crops look like.. well, crops.
11:29	Shara	Hmm, that could work
11:30	Shara	But if they can't manage to work it out by looking at them, there is no guarantee that will be enough either
11:30	tenplus1	heh
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11:36	tenplus1	hi fixer
11:36	Fixer	hello
11:45	cx384	tenplus1 you could make a on right click to show that crops are fully grown. maybe send a chat message/show particle or something like this
11:47	cx384	or a crop analyzing tool.
11:49	DS-minetest	or a mouth to taste itâ€¦
12:04	nerzhul	celeron55, okay i fixed that
12:05	nerzhul	Shara, yes next release have many fixes, look at the changelog on dev wiki :p
12:05	Shara	I'm never sure if changelog is up to date for next release
12:06	nerzhul	because i update it 1 times per month im' pretty sure it is as i did it this week :p
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12:58	tenplus1	wb lisac
12:58	lisac	hey ten :D
12:58	lisac	I was on nore's server
12:58	lisac	it's nice
12:58	lisac	mostly
12:58	lisac	but that maze on the map before last...
12:59	lisac	made me ragequit after 30 minutes of roaming
12:59	tenplus1	ehehe, did you try the keep left trick ?
13:01	nore	heh yeah that maze it a bit complicated :Â°
13:01	nore	"you are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike"
13:01	nore	(might sound familiar for some people here :p)
13:02	tenplus1	hi nore :P
13:02	nore	hey there :)
13:03	tenplus1	omg, am actually using usb floppy drive...
13:12	Zeno`	"go east, go south, open window, go west, take lamp, move rug, go up, take sack, take sword, go down, go down, light lamp, go north, go north, kill troll"
13:15	nore	lol
13:15	Zeno`	and for fun, go into the forest and "count leaves"
13:42	Krock	1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12...
13:42	tenplus1	do do do doo doo doo dooooo... twelve!
13:43	Krock	forgot to start with zero
13:43	tenplus1	thought you were doing the sesame street pinball tune
13:44	Krock	uh no, I wasn't.
13:44	tenplus1	aww
13:45	tenplus1	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOaZbaPzdsk
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13:48	tenplus1	wb nrz
13:50	Calinou	hi :)
13:51	tenplus1	hi Cal
13:51	Calinou	https://lut.im/3k2wIgm2Fo/5IG9usTdLazJdzYX.png
13:51	Calinou	I got â‚¬0.50 on Liberapay last week :P
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13:55	tenplus1	wb cx#
13:56	cx384	o/ tenplus1
13:59	Calinou	nice, my cron job for autogenerating the map works: http://games.hugo.pro/minetest/map_calinou.png
13:59	Calinou	it's generated every 6 hours
13:59	Krock	congrats Calinou. Now you can buy 1/100th or a metal plate from a real Tesla!
14:00	Krock	* 1/1000th
14:00	Calinou	:)
14:00	Calinou	I made my mapper settings fancier, too
14:00	Calinou	dark background/light scale, zoom 2Ã— (easier to see things without using browser zoom)
14:00	Krock	mgv7?
14:00	tenplus1	looks like a game map for cannon fodder :P
14:01	Calinou	it's mgv6
14:01	tenplus1	yeah I noticed
14:01	Calinou	mgv7 is nice, but there's a lot of crazy overhangs (not easy to build in), and the caves are meh
14:01	tenplus1	the dithering around the borders between biomes :D
14:01	Calinou	yeah
14:04	Calinou	hmm, only had 1 player at most on my server
14:04	Calinou	the default password might be too effective :D
14:04	tenplus1	lol
14:04	Calinou	it's mentioned both in the server name and description, and it's just "123" (without quotes)
14:05	Calinou	looking at the logs, it seems to be efficient in blocking mobile clients whose names aren't blocked
14:05	Calinou	(the 3-number ones)
14:06	Calinou	the PostgreSQL database used for the world/players is 70 MB already, heh
14:07	tenplus1	not bad, xanadu is sitting at 45gb
14:10	tenplus1	do mapblocks get timestamped on creation ?
14:12	tenplus1	for instance, if mapblocks created had a timestamp would it be possible to remove parts of the map a year or so old ?
14:17	Krock	https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/src/mapblock.cpp#L621
14:18	Krock	before the node definition and after node timers/the node metadata
14:18	tenplus1	:PPP
14:19	Krock	but sadly, only U32, so it will stop working properly after ~2033
14:19	tenplus1	buuuuuuu
14:19	tenplus1	wait, havent they addressed that issue yet in linux ?
14:20	Krock	in operating systems, it was/still is changed actively. but in Minetest.. duh.
14:20	sfan5	Krock: the mapblock timestamp is not unix time
14:21	tenplus1	hi sfan
14:24	Fixer	http://www.filfre.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/lm2-6.png okay
14:24	tenplus1	lol
14:30	Fixer	In 2030 Minetest will be rewritten to JS++ running on JSLinux
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14:30	tenplus1	hi Aerozoic
14:30	tenplus1	js++ ?
14:31	Aerozoic	wazup tenplus1
14:31	* tenplus1	is going through floppy disks
14:38	lisac	rebooting once again
14:39	Calinou	tenplus1: not sure
14:40	Calinou	(that could delete areas where people built things, though?)
14:40	tenplus1	I do have a script that unloads map areas that arent protected, but am reluctant to use that
14:40	Calinou	is there a script to pregenerate portions of the map?
14:41	Calinou	my server runs well, but can get a bit laggy during map generation (I use 2 emerge threads)
14:41	Calinou	settings: https://gist.github.com/Calinou/683cb0748efe867be6e18f86f206a6b7
14:41	Calinou	I have an high-end VPS, so I tweaked the settings accordingly
14:41	tenplus1	hrm
14:41	Calinou	15 Hz server tick rate, higher active block range, higher block send/generate distanceâ€¦
14:41	Calinou	trying to make the experience as good as possible, while keeping lag low
14:42	Calinou	also disabled the "placing nodes slows down block sending", which is probably nonsensical today
14:42	Fixer	Calinou: you can emergeblocks for say 3000x3000 area and it will be fine I guess
14:42	Calinou	(we've had block placement prediction since 2012)
14:42	Calinou	Fixer: yeah, how do I do that? :P
14:42	Fixer	Calinou: easy, in server terminal or ingame, /emergeblocks (x1,y1,z1) (x2,y2,z2) smth like that
14:43	Calinou	oh, that's nice
14:43	Fixer	Calinou: i did that many times and it worked for me
14:43	Calinou	my server is using only 123 MB of RAM right now, heh
14:43	Calinou	it can use 1.5 GB if you walk around a lot
14:43	tenplus1	nice n low :D
14:43	Fixer	Calinou: it will output some statistics, you will see when generation will end
14:43	Calinou	(blocks are kept in RAM for 1 hour, instead of just 30 seconds)
14:43	Calinou	my VPS has 15 GB of RAM anyway
14:43	Calinou	currently using only 3 GBâ€¦
14:43	Calinou	so, I don't mind high RAM usage (it's much better than high CPU usage)
14:44	Calinou	Fixer: do I put parentheses?
14:45	Fixer	Calinou: yes
14:45	Fixer	Calinou: or just run /emergeblocks it should give help info
14:46	Calinou	yeah
14:46	tenplus1	if it's anything like /deleteblocks it shoudl have the HERE flag... /emergeblocks here 1000
14:47	Fixer	Calinou: i even posted a thread about generation speed, let me find it
14:47	Fixer	Calinou: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=15000
14:48	Calinou	/emergeblocks (-2048,-128,-2048) (2048,128,2048)
14:48	Calinou	who will win? server crash, or map generation? :D
14:48	tenplus1	ehehehehe
14:48	tenplus1	is it possible to limit map height only ?
14:48	Calinou	0.2% done
14:49	Calinou	that might be too muchâ€¦ VPS providers don't like if your load average is high for extended periods of time
14:49	Fixer	wth... i bought VPS, I expect to use fully
14:49	Calinou	considering it uses 2 CPU threads, my VPS is at 25-33% CPU usage
14:49	Calinou	and will be for an hour or so
14:49	Calinou	Fixer: they all do that, especially the cheaper ones
14:50	Calinou	none of them will be happy if you use 100% CPU 24/7 :)
14:50	Fixer	pfff
14:50	Fixer	thats rip off
14:50	Calinou	I got one of them suspended last year
14:50	Fixer	same rip off as "unlimited"
14:50	Calinou	(I was running a seedbox on it, and that made the load average high, it was automatic)
14:50	Calinou	I contacted the support and they restored it, thankfully
14:50	Fixer	lol
14:50	Fixer	lololol
14:50	Calinou	Fixer: you make other people's VPSes slow if you use your CPU fully
14:50	Calinou	that's how VPSes work
14:50	Calinou	dedicated servers don't have this problem, but are much more expensive
14:50	Fixer	so they sell VPS to actually not do any CPU work? WTH
14:50	Calinou	you can do intensive CPU work, but not for long periods of time
14:51	Calinou	I'd advise < 30 minutes
14:51	Calinou	(it's enough most of the timeâ€¦)
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14:51	Calinou	heh, it went from 0.8% to 1.8%
14:51	Calinou	2.4% now
14:52	Fixer	i don't mind day of 100% cpu usage and then they asking if smth is broken or smth, but 30 min is just horseshit
14:54	lisac	thanks tenplus1
14:54	Calinou	6.2%â€¦
14:54	lisac	hey nore can I request a password reset on your server?
14:54	lisac	I seem to have typed the wrong one first time
14:55	Calinou	fun fact: I forgot to change my Minetest password on my server until today
14:55	lisac	I tried with both caps and without caps
14:55	Calinou	so, anyone could have logged in using the default password, 123 :D
14:55	Calinou	but nobody did it
14:55	Calinou	now it's changed :P
14:55	lisac	Calinou, you should've told me before you changed it
14:55	lisac	can't do much now.
14:55	lisac	:P
15:00	Fixer	Calinou: btw LazyJ had bad luck with hosting LinuxGaming2 (previously), it was lagging constantly with max_lag 4-7 most of the time, he finally ended contract and switched from that horseshit
15:01	Calinou	a dedicated server is always better, but it's too expensive for me
15:02	Fixer	Calinou: what price?
15:02	Calinou	https://www.soyoustart.com/'s dedis aren't too expensive, but not cheap either
15:04	Fixer	Calinou: too costly by East Europe standards
15:04	Calinou	yeah
15:05	Calinou	consider that I'm not making profit from hosting game servers :P
15:05	Calinou	and I'm still a student
15:06	Fixer	Calinou: still, it should not be that bad for your country, with wages X000 USD wages, but prohibitive in places with 300USD wage
15:06	Fixer	vps is kinda shit, but no alternative...
15:06	Fixer	unless you host at home or smth
15:06	Calinou	starting from next month, I'll be getting my scholarship again, and it's â‚¬70 higher than last year (since my parents earned less money, etc)
15:07	Calinou	â‚¬321/month, totalling to â‚¬3,210/year
15:07	tenplus1	oof
15:07	Calinou	I live with my parents, which means that this money is basically pocket change :P
15:07	Calinou	but I'd rather not spend it too much
15:07	Fixer	Calinou: still running seedbox? har-har
15:08	Calinou	yeah
15:08	Fixer	it is quite amazing that piracy has big history in USA itself
15:08	Calinou	I seed only legal torrents, actually
15:08	Calinou	https://lut.im/mI4JF0CsPv/eNGhvA8NLGCiI8rD.png
15:09	Fixer	0ad, still alpha
15:09	Calinou	the top torrent (in ratio) has been seeding for almost 5 weeks
15:09	tenplus1	+100
15:09	Fixer	alpha feels uneasy for me
15:09	Calinou	I seed open source things because I like them :P
15:10	Fixer	Calinou: i will just say on my 2mbit I already seeded 791GB of one known stand up comic...
15:10	Fixer	and paused it a bit
15:10	Calinou	I capped the upload to 1.4 MB/s (download isn't capped, and this server can download really fast, like, 40 MB/s)
15:10	Calinou	but in practice, upload rarely goes above 800 KB/s
15:10	Calinou	(not enough demand)
15:10	Calinou	I'm almost out of SSD space on this VPS
15:11	Calinou	5 GB leftâ€¦
15:11	tenplus1	how big ?
15:11	Calinou	4.4 GB left actually, out of 60 GB
15:11	Calinou	torrent files take up a lot of space
15:11	tenplus1	what torrent sertup you got ?
15:11	Calinou	(14 GB right now)
15:11	Calinou	rTorrent + ruTorrent (web interface)
15:11	Fixer	Calinou: seed flightgear... :trollface:
15:12	Fixer	who even uses torrents for downloading LibreOffice...
15:12	Calinou	https://gist.github.com/Calinou/6f92c3c1e208a26a3bc13d2ffeed7b54
15:12	rubenwardy	I use kimsufi for my dedi, Fixer. Â£14pm for reasonable specs
15:12	Calinou	my configuration ^
15:12	rubenwardy	no SSD though
15:12	Calinou	gotta love the "gist" Ruby gem <3
15:12	Calinou	makes creating gists very easy
15:14	Fixer	Calinou: your torrent list is not impressive at all
15:14	lumidify	Calinou: what VPS provider are you using now? (sorry, may have missed it in all that backlog...)
15:15	Calinou	this one: https://www.gheberg.com/ - it's a nonprofit French provider (they speak only French)
15:15	Calinou	we have many hosts which are actually nonprofits here :)
15:15	Calinou	so the prices are really low, but there's no uptime guarantee
15:15	Calinou	(in practice, uptime is very good, close to 100%)
15:15	Fixer	Calinou: dump Libreoffice, torrent FlightGear and Orbiter
15:15	Calinou	they are KVM too (and not OpenVZ)
15:15	Calinou	Fixer: hmm, didn't think about FlightGear :)
15:16	Fixer	about 1.5gb of space
15:16	Fixer	same for Orbiter, or more
15:16	Fixer	Orbiter is freeware
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15:17	tenplus1	hi Megaf
15:17	lumidify	http://ramnode.com/ seems to be pretty good, but I haven't hosted any game server there (although I think quite a few people use it for MC).
15:17	lumidify	But they don't have unlimited bandwidth :/
15:17	Calinou	yeah, my bandwidth is unlimited
15:18	Fixer	Calinou: where is 0ad for linux?
15:18	Megaf	Hi all
15:18	Megaf	Fixer, apt get install 0ad
15:18	Calinou	lumidify: I get much better specs for the price, here
15:18	Calinou	(comparing the KVM VPSes of Ramnode to the ones from Gheberg)
15:18	Megaf	Fixer, I mean, apt install 0ad
15:18	Fixer	Megaf: aptitude
15:18	Megaf	or pacman -S 0ad
15:18	Calinou	for â‚¬15/month (including VAT), I get 8 threads, 15 GB of RAM (15, not 16, yeah), 60 GB SSD
15:18	Calinou	and unlimited bandwdith (usually around 100 Mb/s in upload, 400-500 Mb/s in download)
15:18	Megaf	or yum install 0ad, or
15:19	Megaf	hm, 15 Euro for 8 threads
15:19	Megaf	are those the fast type of thread tho?
15:19	Calinou	also, these are really expensive: http://www.ramnode.com/vds.php
15:19	Calinou	VPSes with dedicated CPU (not a fully dedicated, but close)
15:19	Calinou	$40/month for two cores and 8 GB of RAMâ€¦ meh
15:19	Calinou	they do allow full usage 24/7
15:19	sfan5	ugh ramnode
15:20	sfan5	haven't seen more restrictive tos in a long time
15:20	Calinou	the So You Start dedis are cheaper :P
15:20	Calinou	and they're full machines
15:20	* Megaf	is happy with Linode
15:20	Megaf	10 USD 1 thread, 20 GB and 2 GB
15:20	rubenwardy	my kimsufi dedi is 2c and 8 GB ram for Â£14pm ($18)
15:21	rubenwardy	Megaf, I used linode for ages. It's convenient and better than DO
15:21	lumidify	Then there's https://www.scaleway.com/, but I've seen some horrible reviews of its reliability.
15:21	rubenwardy	but I now need more RAM
15:21	Megaf	rubenwardy, they are amazing, but they give little RAM and CPU...
15:21	rubenwardy	yeah
15:21	rubenwardy	I was limited by both
15:21	lumidify	I rank VPS providers based on whether they support OpenBSD or not. If they don't, they're disqualified automatically :P
15:22	rubenwardy	Does OpenBSD have any tangable benefits?
15:22	rubenwardy	or is it just hipster purism obsession
15:23	lumidify	Well, security, and the fact that it has really nice software. Especially OpenSMTPd and OpenHTTPd are really nice.
15:23	tenplus1	the latter
15:24	lumidify	The only reason why I keep Linux around is because MT 0.4.16 doesn't seem to work on OpenBSD.
15:24	sfan5	lumidify: your ranking isn't a good idea if you universally apply it to all providers
15:24	sfan5	openvz-only providers support *bsd in 0% of cases
15:25	lumidify	sfan5: well, it was partially a joke. I want to run my email server, etc. on OpenBSD, but if I ran a game server, I'd probably just go with the cheapest option, even if it didn't support OpenBSD.
15:25	sfan5	or you could get a single dedi to do both? :D
15:26	rubenwardy	more servers the better!
15:26	lumidify	I might consider running a server once LOTT is cleaned up a bit...
15:26	rubenwardy	I want to have enough traffic to my site to justify load balancing over multiple servers
15:27	lumidify	I want multiple server just so I can have their hostnames be the names of my favorite composers - dvorak, shostakovich, tchaikovsky, rachmaninov, prokofiev, etc. :P
15:27	lumidify	*servers
15:29	Krock	kalashnikov and putin
15:29	Krock	latter can, as I heard, ride on bears
15:29	lumidify	Well, Tchaikovsky's 1812 Overture does include a part for actual cannons...
15:30	Megaf	[16:21:58] <lumidify> I rank VPS providers based on whether they support OpenBSD or not. If they don't, they're disqualified automatically :P
15:30	Megaf	So you can add Linode to your list of good ranked
15:30	lumidify	:)
15:30	Megaf	You can add absolutely any OS you want
15:31	tenplus1	Amiga OS 4.1
15:31	Megaf	You can in fact, set up your server on virtualbox
15:31	Megaf	and upload the disk image to your Linode
15:31	Megaf	and run it
15:31	Megaf	Ok, any x86_32 and x86_64 OS
15:31	lumidify	I like ramnode because it allows VNC access. Quite a few others probably do that too, but scaleway just has some buggy web-based console for it.
15:31	Megaf	unless you make a tiny OS as middle man to translate x86 to other architecture
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15:32	tenplus1	wb Cal
15:33	Megaf	hm,
15:33	Megaf	lumidify, whats wrong with Minetest on OpenBSD?
15:33	lumidify	Megaf: The reason why I chose ramnode for my low-resource email (and some other small things) server was because it does have some really cheap plans.
15:34	lumidify	Megaf: Last time I tried, there was something with the threading. The official OpenBSD package/port is 0.4.14, and I managed to compile 0.4.15, but 0.4.16 crashes immediately, and gdb points to some files that seem to do threading stuff.
15:36	rubenwardy	http://www.purescript.org/
15:37	rubenwardy	jesus christ
15:37	lumidify	Maybe it's just something with my specific system or I'm just making a stupid mistake, but I dunno...
15:37	lumidify	Who wants to rewrite MT in this? https://github.com/samshadwell/TrumpScript
15:37	Megaf	rubenwardy, whattaactualfeck
15:38	Megaf	no, just no
15:38	Megaf	I should try to compile minetest to JavaScript tho
15:38	tenplus1	??????
15:38	Megaf	there are some JavaScript compilers for C++
15:38	Megaf	so you can run actual software on browsers
15:38	Megaf	internet archive do that a lot for example
15:39	Megaf	you have DOSBox in JavaScript there...
15:39	rubenwardy	"In its raw form, TrumpScript is not compatible with Windows, because Trump isn't the type of guy to believe in PC."
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15:42	Calinou	back, had some VPS issues due to the high CPU load :P
15:42	Calinou	but it wasn't suspended
15:43	Calinou	my VPS runs Ubuntu Server 16.04, by the way
15:43	Calinou	Debian 9 would be a better choice today, since it has newer packages. But once Ubuntu 18.04 is released, their packages will be older :D
15:43	Calinou	my Apache doesn't have HTTP/2 :(
15:43	Calinou	nginx does, but I stopped using it because it's too cumbersome to set up/maintain with some PHP software
15:43	rubenwardy	why not 17.04?
15:43	Calinou	17.04 isn't LTS
15:43	Calinou	I could upgrade, but meh
15:43	Calinou	it's pretty risky to upgrade a VPS anyway
15:44	Calinou	but LTS -> LTS should be ok
15:44	Megaf	Calinou, How can I check if my websertver have http/2?
15:44	Calinou	Megaf: use your browser's inspector, it should tell you in the Network tab if you click on a request
15:44	rubenwardy	Calinou, you could use nginx in front of apache
15:44	rubenwardy	or use php_fpm with nginx (I do this when I need PHP things)
15:44	Calinou	or use https://tools.keycdn.com/http2-test
15:45	Calinou	haha
15:45	Calinou	https://lut.im/EkQnAV9jbB/kB2Ei0iyaOdURqfN.png
15:45	rubenwardy	although I use docker for any PHP things
15:45	rubenwardy	don't want PHP on my actual system
15:45	Calinou	I don't use Docker here
15:45	Calinou	rubenwardy: yeah, nginx + php-fpm is what I used.
15:45	Calinou	it's not too hard to set it up for WordPress
15:46	Calinou	â€¦for anything more, it's a PITA because people can't be arsed to document things or write them properly (permalinks)
15:46	Calinou	eg. Nextcloud can be quite hard
15:46	Calinou	so, one of my alternatives using an Apache PPA
15:47	Megaf	tell in the network tab, hm
15:47	Megaf	I found the network tab
15:52	Megaf	Calinou, what browser you use?
15:52	Calinou	hmm, apparently my Apache is new enough for HTTP/2
15:52	Calinou	Chromium
15:52	Fixer	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIvf5tIW0AAa7lO.jpg:large
15:53	Megaf	interesting, Debian has a package called chromium-shell
15:53	Calinou	heh, it's not very simple but it's possible: https://www.rosehosting.com/blog/how-to-set-up-apache-with-http2-support-on-ubuntu-16-04/
15:53	Megaf	I wonder if thats ChromeOS interface
15:53	Calinou	Megaf: Chromium-shell is a stripped-down version of Chromium
15:53	Calinou	nothing to do with ChromeOS
15:53	Fixer	https://twitter.com/intheInfantry/status/904040173801021440
15:53	Megaf	ah
15:53	Megaf	I like stripped down version of things
15:54	rubenwardy	Fixer is reading r/programmerhumor
15:54	Megaf	Calinou, can you check http://wings.megaf.info/ please?
15:54	Megaf	I didnt suceed
15:54	Calinou	I can open the site
15:55	Calinou	https://tools.keycdn.com/http2-test can't, though
15:55	Megaf	I know...
15:55	Megaf	I tried that too
15:55	Megaf	wouldnt be asking otherwise
15:56	Fixer	https://twitter.com/evertp/status/901204486777184256
15:57	sfan5	Megaf: you need https for http 2.0 support
15:57	Fixer	https://minetest.netnot supported
15:57	Fixer	FAIL
15:57	Calinou	yeah
15:57	Calinou	that is mandatory
15:57	Calinou	get a certificate from Let's Encrypt :)
15:57	Megaf	it's complicated
15:57	Megaf	not even the guys at #letsencrypt know how to help me
15:57	Megaf	with my setup
15:57	Megaf	and asked me to post in the forums
15:57	rubenwardy	https://minetest.net doesn't even work
15:57	Megaf	I will, eventually
15:58	rubenwardy	Megaf, what is your setup?
15:58	Fixer	https://twitter.com/xxxdretentacion/status/899076829855830016
15:58	Fixer	WHO EVEN BUYS THIS???
15:58	rubenwardy	letsencrypt was easy for me
15:58	rubenwardy	hardest bit was adjusting settings to get A+ on ssllabs.com
15:58	Megaf	rubenwardy, I use a software called pound to send the requests to domains or subdomains to the right VPS
15:59	rubenwardy	does pound support SSL?
15:59	Megaf	wings.megaf.info when arrives in the main server, is redirected to x.x.x.xx7 for example
15:59	Megaf	git.megaf.info goes to x.x.x.xx6
15:59	Megaf	and so on
15:59	sfan5	just use the webroot verification method
15:59	sfan5	personally i use simp_le for this
16:00	Megaf	I have several other domains, not only megaf.info subdomains
16:00	rubenwardy	if pound doesn't support per-subdomain certs, you'll need to use only one certificate with aliases for each subdomain
16:00	Calinou	Fixer: does /emergeblocks regenerate existing areas?
16:00	Calinou	if used agaijn
16:00	Calinou	again*
16:00	rubenwardy	one you get the cert, it shouldn't be that hard
16:00	Calinou	looks like it didn't complete: http://games.hugo.pro/minetest/map_calinou.png
16:00	Calinou	(6.2 MB)
16:00	rubenwardy	and see sfan5's message for that
16:00	Fixer	Calinou: probably not, no idea
16:03	Fixer	this is most horrifying https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFRhvNcVoAAuqyf.jpg:large
16:03	Fixer	why would they buy and install this?
16:03	Fixer	smart faucet? really?
16:03	Fixer	with linux on it?
16:03	Fixer	why?
16:03	Calinou	rubenwardy: just tested my server on SSLLabs, https://lut.im/ESLvcr2UEu/tQ0jIsfEW9Qh9epO.png
16:03	rubenwardy	nice
16:03	Calinou	that's nice, considered I didn't really tweak anything
16:05	Krock	Fixer, they want to make the IOT bigger
16:06	Fixer	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DGtq1FoXgAElk-3.jpg:large
16:07	Calinou	https://lut.im/3S3mUABH8b/kyR6Ubuq5wHu47Rn.png
16:07	Calinou	:DDD
16:07	Calinou	it works :)
16:07	rubenwardy	wooo!
16:08	rubenwardy	have you changed the image and nav bar on your site recently?
16:08	rubenwardy	*nav bar color
16:08	Calinou	no, I haven't updated it since ~October 2016 :\|
16:08	Calinou	I want to redesign it, but it takes time
16:08	Fixer	https://twitter.com/Shitty_Future/status/886148202185068545
16:08	Calinou	(can't find inspiration to make a good-looking thing)
16:08	rubenwardy	ah, I'm just an idiot then
16:08	Calinou	this CSS framework looks pretty cool, and I don't really need IE11 support: v
16:08	Calinou	http://bulma.io/
16:09	rubenwardy	oh nice
16:09	rubenwardy	I've been meaning to ask for CSS frameworks as easy as bootstrap
16:09	rubenwardy	but less generic looking
16:09	rubenwardy	and ones that encourage
16:09	Fixer	you IRL https://twitter.com/Shitty_Future/status/878503078470836224
16:09	rubenwardy	HTML semantic tags
16:10	Calinou	this one has a lot of nice things: Flexbox-based, uses Sass (like Bootstrap 4), Webpack-friendly
16:10	Calinou	(I set up Webpack + Babel already :P)
16:11	Calinou	plays well with Font Awesome, too
16:11	Calinou	the CSS is still large, but with gzip compression it's small
16:11	Calinou	and there's no JavaScript, you implement the JS features you need yourself
16:11	Calinou	(jQuery isn't mandatory!)
16:11	Calinou	(Bootstrap 4 still requires jQueryâ€¦)
16:11	Fixer	https://twitter.com/EnglishRussia1/status/862661011882561537
16:12	Fixer	m o b i l e a p p s
16:12	rubenwardy	that pisses me off
16:13	rubenwardy	earn your reviews, god dammit
16:13	rubenwardy	ooh
16:14	rubenwardy	Minetest Mods has just surpassed 600 active installs!
16:17	tenplus1	nice
16:17	* tenplus1	force grew Hemp in 3 days next to meselamp and a week normally in natural daylight
16:21	Fixer	rubenwardy: and active install is?
16:21	Calinou	Fixer: no :( /emergeblocks regenerates existing blocks
16:21	Calinou	it's a waste of time in my case, I'll need to adjust coordinates by hand
16:21	Calinou	can I stop an /emergeblocks task safely?
16:21	Fixer	Calinou: no idea %)
16:21	Calinou	(my world has nothing important right now, but still)
16:22	rubenwardy	Fixer, number of devices my app is installed on
16:22	Fixer	rubenwardy: interesting
16:22	rubenwardy	only active devices, ones that have connected to google play recently
16:23	Fixer	quite amazing we have 600 mobile players that install mods
16:23	Calinou	alright, stopped/restarted the server, seems to be ok
16:23	Calinou	only 685933 blocks to generate now 8)
16:24	Calinou	my world database is 445 MB right now
16:25	Fixer	Calinou: public server?
16:26	Calinou	Fixer: yes, it's on the list
16:26	Fixer	0.5.0?
16:27	Calinou	0.4.17 (it's actually stable 0.4.16, but the version scheme changed)
16:27	Calinou	so, you need a stable client
16:28	Fixer	i'm using latest 0.5.0, two compatible servers on list
16:29	* rubenwardy	uses 0.5.0-dev
16:29	Fixer	0.5.0-dev,yes
16:30	* rubenwardy	realises he's an idiot and never migrated his server to PostreSQL
16:34	Calinou	it's quite easy
16:34	Calinou	also, you can put the world and player informations in the same database
16:34	Calinou	rubenwardy: I should write a wiki article dedicated to PostgreSQL setup, I guess
16:34	Calinou	from installing the software itself, to migrating a SQLite world
16:34	Calinou	(some people may never have used Postgres before)
16:35	rubenwardy	good idea
16:40	Fixer	Calinou: describe your minetest server
16:41	Calinou	Fixer: "A survival, building-oriented server." :D
16:41	Calinou	there's not much going on right now, I added a few mods but nothing big
16:41	Calinou	no mobs right now, I'm not really satisfied with the current mob modsâ€¦ :(
16:41	Fixer	Calinou: areas or protector, central spawn or chaotic?
16:43	Calinou	no central spawn yet
16:43	Calinou	areas is installed, with self-protection allowed
16:43	Calinou	moreblocks, maptools, sprint, hudbars, spectator_mode, name_restrictions also are installed :)
16:43	* rubenwardy	is thinking of starting a server aimed at 1940s / steam punk / early modernism
16:43	rubenwardy	so a coastal city with a subway etc
16:43	tenplus1	that sounds pretty good... always loved steampunk
16:44	Calinou	people love steampunk, but they also love Steam
16:44	* Calinou	hides
16:44	Calinou	soâ€¦ they are Steam punks
16:44	* Calinou	hides more
16:45	Fixer	rubenwardy: if coastal city... don't forget to protect all the fucking water
16:45	Fixer	rubenwardy: or nice "city" will be transformed into boxes on water city
16:46	rubenwardy	ha, yeah
16:46	Fixer	rubenwardy: same for rivers
16:47	Fixer	those nice v7 rivers... just wait for a nice bridg....nevermind
16:48	Fixer	another problem is they block the river completely with those flying boxes
16:48	Fixer	not acceptable
16:48	Fixer	we need a new mod that protects space over all pregenerated water
16:49	Fixer	otherwise kiddies ruin it to India like levels
16:52	Fixer	i've joined 0.5.0-dev DCBL server... feels like when I went back to 2011, worst builds i've seen and worst griefs, forest fires in many places
16:53	Fixer	you give people tons of block varieties - still looks like shit from 2011
16:53	red-001	DCBL?
16:53	Fixer	yeah
16:53	Fixer	dcbl
16:53	Fixer	look up on list
16:54	Fixer	i've had some kray.dy.fi anarchy server flasbacks after visiting it, not that server is bad, but people builds are horrifying
16:55	Fixer	my OCD broke, had to remove some of fires and pillars
16:55	Calinou	>Server: Player with the name "1000000000" tried to connect from ... but it was disallowed for the following reason: All-numeric usernames are disallowed on this server.
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16:55	Calinou	that's a billion-dollar player!
16:55	Fixer	guest1000000000
16:56	Calinou	oh yeah, kray.dy.fi
16:56	Calinou	I played on that one in August 2011 :D
16:56	Calinou	I built a castle with quaker66/q66
16:56	Calinou	"NyanLand"
16:56	Calinou	(back when nyancats were popular)
16:56	Fixer	Calinou: on peaceful one or on anarchy one?
16:58	Fixer	wth with sprinting that increases my jumping considerebly?
16:59	Fixer	those people live in 3017: https://i.imgur.com/BZUXCB4.png
17:02	tenplus1	heh
17:02	tenplus1	prefer sprint with hunger instead of separate spring bar
17:03	Fixer	DO NOT MAKE SPAWNS ON WATER. EVER
17:03	* rubenwardy	's server spawn is probably going to be next to a harbour
17:04	Fixer	Also, protect pretty big area around spawn, make it pretty light
17:04	rubenwardy	agreed
17:04	Fixer	every water city-spawns i've seen - FPS shitshow
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17:05	Fixer	look how bueautiful it is: https://i.imgur.com/k3hs7aw.png
17:06	nerzhul	new art
17:06	tenplus1	looks like one of my houses
17:07	tenplus1	http://i60.tinypic.com/1zvsnx0.jpg
17:09	sfan5	small tip: tinypic is absolutely terrible
17:10	tenplus1	ehehe
17:10	Krock	offtopic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJq7fG9gDN8
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17:19	Calinou	sorry, am running into more server issues due to /emergeblocks :P
17:19	Calinou	one last step now, generating from Z 1216 to Z 2048
17:19	Calinou	Fixer: peaceful, PvP is allowed though (but griefing isn't)
17:19	Calinou	Fixer: I tweaked physics on my server: https://gist.github.com/Calinou/683cb0748efe867be6e18f86f206a6b7
17:20	Calinou	sprinting is +30% speed, 20.0 units of stamina, but no jump height increase (default is +10%)
17:20	KaadmY	Why is the setting called `movement_speed_crouch` but everywhere internally it's called sneaking
17:20	Calinou	KaadmY: I have no ideaâ€¦ it's been called this way since at least 2015, heh
17:20	Calinou	(checked with a Git blame)
17:21	Calinou	walking is 4.5 nodes/s instead of 4 nodes/s (5.85 nodes/s when sprinting), and sneaking is 1.8 nodes/s (default is 1.35 nodes/s, I made it 40% of the walking speed)
17:21	Krock	Calinou, you forgot movement_gravity = 3.69
17:22	Krock	(as if you were on mars)
17:22	Calinou	these physics overall feel better to play with
17:22	Calinou	and you're faster, so traveling isn't as annoying
17:23	Calinou	(that speed is similar to Minecraft, in fact you're a tiny bit faster)
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17:23	tenplus1	hi paramat
17:25	* KaadmY	greets *
17:25	Calinou	my world database now is 800 MB
17:25	Calinou	I should set up automated backups for things on my VPS, uploading to my local NAS automatically or something
17:26	Calinou	that should be possible using SFTP/rsync
17:26	Calinou	but I need to make my NAS accessible from the Internet first, and haven't succeeded yet
17:26	Calinou	port forwarding with this ISP is a mess, you do it on an online (ie. non-local) interface, and you need to restart the router at every changeâ€¦
17:45	Calinou	alright, the 4096Ã—256Ã—4096 area around the world origin is generated :)
17:46	Calinou	a 8584Ã—8584 map is being generatedâ€¦
17:46	Calinou	(the image)
17:46	Calinou	the database is 956 MB
17:50	Fixer	in Minecraft they can make a backup on the fly it seems, will be nice if minetest can do that too
17:51	Fixer	Calinou: what Y-area you generated?
17:52	Fixer	-100 to +156? :}
17:52	Fixer	mt can generated at least two map blocks down, rarely three
17:52	Calinou	-128 to 128
17:52	Fixer	can generate*
17:52	Calinou	seems reasonable to me
17:52	Fixer	ok
17:52	Fixer	yes
17:52	Fixer	totally reasonable
17:53	Calinou	(the server's block send/generate distance is 14, higher than the default which is 10)
17:53	Calinou	the active block range is 4 (instead of 3), too
17:53	Calinou	and block send optimization is disabled (ie. its value is set to 15, which is above the send distance)
17:53	Calinou	Fixer: I need to check if the world (files + PostgreSQL database) can be backed up at runtime
17:53	Calinou	if not, a daily restart is required :P
17:54	Fixer	please read personal appeal of blablah: https://github.com/minetest-mods/moreores/pull/27
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17:54	Fixer	Calinou: daily restart is needed anyway
17:54	Fixer	at least once a day or few days
17:54	Fixer	for maximum performance
17:54	Calinou	I have plenty of RAM
17:54	Fixer	Calinou: i will join your server after eating
17:55	Calinou	:) there's no builds right now
17:55	Calinou	I should build a spawn area
18:00	Calinou	full map without any holes, this is beautifulâ€¦ http://games.hugo.pro/minetest/map_calinou.png
18:00	Calinou	(12 MB, may be slow to load/zoom in)
18:03	rubenwardy	nice
18:03	rubenwardy	would be cool to be able to generate cartographic style maps
18:04	rubenwardy	parts of it wouldn't be that hard
18:04	Calinou	so I was looking for driver release notes on NVIDIA's siteâ€¦ http://us.download.nvidia.com/Windows/385.41/385.41-win10-win8-win7-desktop-release-notes.pdf
18:04	Calinou	they make a 45-page PDF for every minor release?
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18:05	Calinou	rubenwardy: once the map becomes huge, it could be split in 25 parts (for example)
18:05	Calinou	or use Leaflet.js
18:05	Calinou	also, I removed --zoom 2, this makes it smaller (9.7 MB instead of 12 MB), and much faster to zoom in
18:06	Calinou	too bad that Firefox/Chrome's built-in image viewers do not have a way to force nearest-neighbor filtering
18:07	Calinou	althoughâ€¦ http://caniuse.com/#feat=css-crisp-edges
18:08	Calinou	if I make an HTML page containing just the image (and possibly some JavaScript to aid navigation), then Firefox/Chrome/Safari/IE11 can have nearest interpolation
18:08	Calinou	Edge can't, though :p
18:08	rubenwardy	who cares about edge
18:08	Calinou	not a lot of people, I guess
18:09	rubenwardy	Chrome + Firefox is all you need
18:09	Calinou	what's surprising is that it's supported in IE11 ;)
18:09	Calinou	but not in Edge, and that's really weird
18:09	rubenwardy	I mean, you should write nice standard CSS etc
18:10	rubenwardy	and if it doesn't work in IE/Edge because it's too new then it's not something I care about
18:13	* rubenwardy	's site works in Lynx
18:16	benrob0329	rubenwardy: but does it work in w3m?
18:19	rubenwardy	no idea
18:24	Fixer	Calinou: ati driver press releases are like 100 lines in total
18:24	rubenwardy	"bug fixes and performance improvements"
18:27	Fixer	Calinou: looks like cheese
18:27	Fixer	as usual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbUMVq4pY94
18:35	nerzhul	Calinou, 800 MB in your database ? little boy, my server has 10GB :p
18:35	nerzhul	postgresql backup can be done when you want using pg_dump
18:35	nerzhul	it's a transctional db
18:43	Fixer	Calinou: default password: 123... wth?
18:45	Fixer	can't use custom password?
18:46	Fixer	Calinou: connected with 0.4.16 client: https://i.imgur.com/YL4MGM2.png
18:47	rubenwardy	Fixer, you can change your password
18:48	Fixer	okay
18:48	rubenwardy	would be good to force clients to do that when a default password is set
18:48	Krock	Fixer, set hud_scale to 1
18:48	rubenwardy	even better, deprecate default_password and add server passwords instead
18:48	Krock	we have an issue for that
18:48	rubenwardy	(password to make an account)
18:48	Fixer	Krock: ?
18:49	Krock	Fixer, the wrong aligned bars. the hud scale setting causes this
18:49	Fixer	Krock: i'm using default settings
18:50	Krock	o.o
18:53	Fixer	Krock: client 0.4.16, server is 0.4.17, where is 0.4.17 client btw?
18:53	tenplus1	it's hiding beneath 0.5.0
18:54	Krock	there's no 0.4.17 server
18:54	Krock	at least - not yet
18:57	sfan5	Krock: the stable-0.4 branch has a 0.4.17 verchange pushed which confused some people
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18:58	tenplus1	hi nate
19:00	Krock	sfan5, oh interesting. I assumed there will be a 0.4.17 release similar dated with 0.5.0, just without the compat breaking commits
19:00	sfan5	>without breaking commits
19:00	sfan5	nah
19:01	Krock	i.e. bugfixes
19:01	sfan5	it will only have a few fixes afaik
19:01	tenplus1	I still say we urge players to update to 0.5.0 when released
19:01	sfan5	of course
19:01	tenplus1	why 0.4.17 at all
19:03	Krock	because logic.
19:03	tenplus1	lol
19:04	Krock	players want to play on the old servers, that might need a while to update
19:07	tenplus1	then they stick with 0.4.16 until the mods are updated to 0.5.0
19:07	tenplus1	and all platforms can get the update
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19:11	tenplus1	wb
19:15	Sokomine	the newer version is receiving less testing due to players sticking to the last working (on servers) release i'm afraid
19:15	Sokomine	what updates will mods require, ten?
19:15	tenplus1	hi Sokomine, and yeah... if minetest-next was available to test with stable installed then it would be tested more
19:16	Sokomine	there are some breaking changes. it's good that they're done now. just...makes testing more complicated
19:17	tenplus1	any testing will have to wait until final release
19:18	Sokomine	i'm currently wondering about how to support hardware coloring in the moreblocks version of the circular saw. hardware coloring for these types of blocks would offer 8 colors per registered block. the original full block may have up to 256 colors. offering 16 diffrent stairlike nodes per full block and shape could be done, but..it is a bit excessive
19:19	tenplus1	indeed
19:19	tenplus1	I havent touched hardware colouring at all
19:19	Sokomine	i wonder what a useful compromise might be. 256's far too much for that purpose. 8, 16 or (maybe) even 32 might be more sensible
19:19	Sokomine	hardware coloring is a very nice feature
19:19	tenplus1	do we really need 256 colours at all... 32 is more than enough
19:19	Sokomine	you don't have to use them. they come at no extra cost
19:20	tenplus1	heh
19:20	Sokomine	just don't expect a stair for each shade of the color :-)
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19:21	tenplus1	hi thomas
19:21	Sokomine	it's also a question about which palette to use. there are many diffrent ways to define colors
19:21	Megaf	So I made an 8K 16:9 minimalistic wallpaper. http://git.megaf.info/Megaf/MegafsPrismMinimalisticWallpaper/raw/master/Prism-8K.png
19:21	bigfoot547	hey ThomasMonroe
19:21	Megaf	I can render it in any resolution and aspect ration if you want a copy
19:21	ThomasMonroe	hey bigfoot, and ten
19:22	tenplus1	hibogfoot
19:22	tenplus1	er... hi bigfoot
19:22	Sokomine	hi :-)
19:23	bigfoot547	hey 11
19:26	paramat	benrob0329 we don't have a dungeon API, if we did it wouldn't help your tardis much because the structures it generates would not be very flexible. schems are fast code so should not be too slow
19:31	Megaf	I think nobody liked my wallpaper...
19:31	tenplus1	lol, already got a nice one :D
19:31	* tenplus1	is very particular
19:36	Megaf	Made another one, a Christian one, quite proud of it. http://git.megaf.info/Megaf/Wallpapers/src/master/Trindade.png
19:41	paramat	Calinou "/emergeblocks regenerates existing blocks" it shouldn't, it only generates non-generated blocks
19:42	paramat	but, it might generate in mapchunks at a time, so a safety margin of 80 or 112 may be needed
19:43	paramat	but, mapgen only replaces ignore nodes ..
19:50	Sokomine	Megaf: hm. can't see your first link. but i'm not much into wallpapers. post it on the forum. the offtopic people will be glad :-)
19:51	paramat	maybe i'm wrong
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19:51	tenplus1	hi caleb
19:51	Megaf	Sokomine, http://git.megaf.info/Megaf/Wallpapers
19:51	Megaf	there
19:51	CalebDavis	hi ten
19:52	paramat	description = "Load (or, if nonexistent, generate) map blocks "
19:54	nerzhul	emerge block only load block and if not generated, generate
19:54	Megaf	I'm making a sunflower wallpaper now
19:58	tenplus1	nite all o/
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20:28	Calinou	paramat: well, it wasted its time on existing areas here
20:28	Calinou	when I ran it again on the same area
20:28	Calinou	(ie. it didn't go any faster)
20:28	Fixer	Calinou: probably generated underground areas
20:28	Fixer	and air
20:28	Calinou	nah, I put the same boundaries
20:29	rubenwardy	emerge loads blocks as well as generating
20:29	rubenwardy	so it depends on the difference in time between generating vs loading
20:31	Calinou	https://hastebin.com/aketonumod.txt :\|
20:31	Calinou	why is multiarch still broken in 2017
20:31	Calinou	compiling for 32-bit Linux on a 64-bit Ubuntu is a nightmare because of thiqs
20:31	Calinou	-q
20:32	Calinou	(trying to look if it's realistically doable to automate 32-bit Linux builds for Godot, with GitLab CI)
20:32	Calinou	(because no matter what you do, people will ask for themâ€¦)
20:33	Calinou	I'll do just 64-bit for now, and copy the 64-bit templates as 32-bit ones (so that Godot doesn't complain)
20:33	Calinou	#evilplan
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21:09	benrob0329	Megaf: it was nice, both of them. Just not my taste :P
21:10	benrob0329	paramat: alright
21:25	rdococ	odd
21:26	rdococ	when I use wine to run minetest, it gets opened as a zombie process
21:26	rdococ	wait
21:26	rdococ	there are two processes named minetest.exe
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21:39	rubenwardy	> use wine to run minetest
21:39	rubenwardy	O_o
21:43	sfan5	it works better than you might expect
21:44	Megaf	benrob0329, what's your taste like?
21:44	Megaf	I actually used to run a game called IL-2 under wine
21:45	Megaf	and another one that I dont remember the name
21:45	Megaf	ran better than on windows
21:45	Megaf	not because wine was good, not because the GPU driver was good on Linux, but because Windows really sucked
21:45	Megaf	Windows came a long way and is much better now
21:46	Megaf	while Linux had just regression on top of regression
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