IRC log for #minetest-hub, 2017-06-11

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07:57	tenplus1	hi folks
07:57	Raven262	Hello tenplus1
07:58	tenplus1	hi raven :P
08:03	DS-minetest	hi tenplus1
08:03	tenplus1	hi DS-minetest
08:03	tenplus1	Q. When using creative mode, should mobs NOT attack players ???
08:04	Raven262	Yep
08:04	Raven262	(interpret as both yes and no)
08:04	tenplus1	lol
08:04	Raven262	I think they shouldn't actually
08:04	tenplus1	unless you hit them 1st :PP
08:05	Raven262	But how would you test your armour protection if they won't attack you?
08:05	Raven262	Yes.
08:05	tenplus1	so turn off automatic attack in creative until you hit them 1st :)
08:05	tenplus1	a good middle ground :D
08:07	Raven262	Yes, i think that would eb best
08:08	Raven262	*be
08:08	Raven262	+1 ð“†£
08:08	tenplus1	:P
08:08	Raven262	you also don't see scarabs?
08:08	Raven262	xD
08:08	tenplus1	nope, still dont see them even though am using unicode font
08:11	Raven262	Maybe it needs some extended unicode
08:11	Raven262	linux mint users see them
08:12	tenplus1	checking repo... might have removed font by muistake :D
08:12	Raven262	xD
08:28	tenplus1	mob redo api updated... mobs no longer attack in creative mode unless hit 1st
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08:38	tenplus1	wb
08:47	Calinou	hi
08:47	tenplus1	hi Cal
08:50	tenplus1	what's new ?
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09:11	Raven262	Can Lupercus get voiced?
09:12	tenplus1	hi Lupercus
09:12	Lupercus	hi man hows it going
09:12	Lupercus	ty for voice
09:12	tenplus1	good thx, you?
09:12	tenplus1	it's not autovoicem, only for this session
09:12	Lupercus	pretty good
09:13	Lupercus	its cool
09:14	Lupercus	have you had any problems with a play named LordVlad, Ranma, koby, koby2, or Sonny recently on Xanadus?
09:14	Lupercus	player*
09:14	tenplus1	cant remember any of those players on Xanadu while I was there...
09:14	Lupercus	all usernames are same person
09:14	Lupercus	hang on i have a couple more
09:15	Lupercus	looking in my logs
09:15	Lupercus	Rukai606, GatoNegro, Ranma are 3 more
09:16	Lupercus	some have different ips that are only one or two numbers different
09:16	tenplus1	will keep an eye out
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09:16	Krock	hi tenplus1
09:16	Lupercus	ok man i seen him there once but dont remember which name he was using
09:16	tenplus1	hi Krock :)
09:17	Raven262	Lupercus, GatoNegro and Ranma were on craig's server last few days.
09:17	Raven262	The question is: how did they join?
09:17	Lupercus	he has been banned from alot of servers for various reason craigs, Gabos, and my server are the ones i can get the info on
09:17	red-001	the name LordVlad rings a bell
09:18	Raven262	Yeah, red-001 we banned him
09:18	red-001	ah
09:18	Lupercus	yes red
09:18	Lupercus	from City-States
09:18	Raven262	but his alternative accounts can still join somehow
09:18	red-001	dynamic ip?
09:18	Lupercus	yes xban doesntstop him
09:18	red-001	well you could take a look at what thier ip range is then
09:18	tenplus1	thankfully no-one can join Xanadu just now as borders are closed... but when they do players are limited to 3x user accounts and link/check across ip's when they log in
09:19	red-001	and just ban that using iptables or something
09:19	red-001	but davisonio needs to do that
09:19	red-001	at least for craigs server that is
09:20	Raven262	I invited davisonio here
09:21	Raven262	and he seems here too
09:21	red-001	indeed
09:21	red-001	otherwise I would have messed up spelling his nickname
09:22	Raven262	Me too.
09:22	Raven262	davisonio, your nick is a bit hard to spell.
09:22	Raven262	There.
09:22	red-001	I always remeber it as daveisonio
09:22	red-001	adding that extra e
09:22	davisonio	I get notified on "craig" too ;)
09:23	Raven262	He is here! xD
09:23	Lupercus	hi davisonio long time man
09:23	tenplus1	hi davisonio
09:23	davisonio	Hey :)
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10:12	tenplus1	do we have any issues with entities at the moment ???
10:12	tenplus1	typically them going through solid nodes when they shouldnt ?
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10:20	shivajiva	Hi tenplus1, had to add a check for entity pos in playerplus, it crashed with a nil pos after 2 punches yesterday
10:21	tenplus1	hi shiva
10:22	tenplus1	what line ?
10:22	shivajiva	no guaranteed vectors unfortunately, sometimes we get nil
10:23	shivajiva	its 234 in my version
10:24	tenplus1	looks like player was disconnected during punch meaning no pos
10:24	tenplus1	will add check
10:25	shivajiva	it's the line that assigns the ent:getpos() to local newpos
10:26	tenplus1	that was removed... we're only using the entity attach code now
10:26	tenplus1	my version no longer has that line
10:28	shivajiva	I realise, just asserting it can be nil randomly for various calls to get a position as noted before
10:29	tenplus1	:P
10:31	shivajiva	I must have added 4 checks in various mods to stop server crashes with nil pos or out of range vectors since 0.4.15
10:31	tenplus1	yeah, gotta bulletproof many things when it comes to entities :D
10:35	shivajiva	it happened in areas mod and that was for player position so I'm not sure it's confined to just entities
10:36	tenplus1	many nil checks later :P ehe... wonder how much that slows a mod down checking for these things constantly
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10:42	Shara	Hello all
10:42	tenplus1	hi shara
10:42	Shara	tenplus1: Just reading logs, that change to mobs for creative priv is horrible
10:43	Shara	Just because I have creative priv on a server that has mobs, doesn't mean I don't want to be able to play there as normal when I choose
10:43	tenplus1	kinda thought the last thing you want while building is mobs annoying you
10:43	Shara	So on Xanadu I can never just 'play' again
10:43	tenplus1	no no... it only works in FULL creative mode
10:43	tenplus1	not with the priv
10:43	Shara	Ohh, fine then :)
10:44	tenplus1	if you are playing a full creative game and building they wont harass you... only in survival :D
10:44	Shara	Or actually, hmm, no. It would trash my ability to test things as well
10:44	Shara	Is it a setting at least?
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10:46	Shara	Creative mode or creative priv, it's something I'd never want
10:46	tenplus1	nope... but if you wanna test things like armor etc. while running a creative game then just punch the mob, it'll stil attack
10:46	Shara	Which prevents me testing things like mob range and so on
10:47	tenplus1	test in survival :P
10:48	Shara	Can you please make it a setting?
10:48	tenplus1	will see what I can do...
10:49	Shara	Thank you.
10:49	Shara	I don't understand why someone would add mobs to a game unless they want them to behave like.... well, mobs.
10:50	Shara	It would make much more sense to me in general if there was a setting to disable agression completely.
10:50	tenplus1	that's the thing, creative mode has no health... so why have mobs attack in the 1st place if they cant hurt you
10:50	Shara	Creative can have health
10:51	Shara	ENable creative and enable damage are two different settings
10:51	tenplus1	yeah but most creative servers disable it
10:51	Shara	I've seen enough with it before, and it's a choice people make in singleplayer too. Some want to just play the game but have items.
10:53	Shara	An independant ability to turn off mon aggression would be nice, but I really think it should not be tied to a game mode
10:53	Shara	mob*
10:55	tenplus1	hrm, what to call the setting name
10:57	Shara	Is it possible to make it independent of creative?
10:57	Shara	If so, something like passive_mobs could work
10:58	tenplus1	the enable_damage switch disabled attacks also
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11:13	tenplus1	wb DS-minetest
11:13	DS-minetest	thanks tenplus1
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11:14	tenplus1	hi Jordach
11:15	DS-minetest	tenplus1: do you think, you can greet in less than 2 seconds? :P
11:15	tenplus1	lol
11:16	Shara	I'm sure I've seen him do it before.
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11:34	tenplus1	hi talus
11:36	Calinou	added a tween transition to console, https://lut.im/G7phrTjAhV/c1ll5nqWMQJvWKUq.gif
11:37	tenplus1	ooh nice
11:39	tenplus1	brb, coffee time :D
11:41	nerzhul	Calinou, what is this terminal emulator ?
11:42	Calinou	nerzhul: it's a console for use in Godot games
11:42	Calinou	it's not a terminal emulator
11:42	tenplus1	lol, are you rewriting minetestin godot ? :P
11:43	nerzhul	oh
11:43	tenplus1	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1C4d_SclbKs ahahahaah
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11:45	tenplus1	connection probs talus ?
11:46	Calinou	tenplus1: nah
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11:53	tenplus1	hi cx384
11:54	cx384	hello tenplus1 :D
11:54	tenplus1	lol, we have players horse racing on Xanadu now... ahahaha
11:54	Shara	Had a feeling that might happen :D
11:54	cx384	nice
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11:55	tenplus1	hi Fixer
11:55	cx384	hi Fixer
11:56	Calinou	tenplus1: can you place bets? :D
11:57	tenplus1	lol, gambling for kids... ouch!
11:59	red-001	it's not gambling clearly it's a game of skill
11:59	red-001	thats why it's random
11:59	tenplus1	heh... I dare say a few players may be placing bets :D
11:59	tenplus1	between them
12:02	* red-001	wonders who though it was a good idea not to include a way to get a backtrace using the C api in lua
12:02	red-001	I mean they added it in 5.2
12:02	red-001	but minetest is stuck with 5.1
12:03	Fixer	hi
12:03	tenplus1	?
12:04	red-001	so many hours of debugging wasted because of that
12:04	tenplus1	is it needed in LUA ?
12:05	red-001	well I needed it for CSM
12:06	red-001	I'm working on implementing a type of virtual file system for CSM into which all mods will be loaded
12:06	nerzhul	red-001, nice
12:06	red-001	so we can finnaly insolate CSM from the filesystem
12:06	red-001	isolate*
12:08	cx384	Dose anyone have an idea how to calculate the radius of a TNT explosion when I want to let more then one TNT explode at the same pos?
12:09	tenplus1	https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/blob/master/mods/tnt/init.lua#L277
12:12	cx384	I am using this "radius = (default_tnt_radius^3*n)^(1/3)" it comes form the sphere formula and the default default_tnt_radius but I think the radius is too small :/
12:14	cx384	tenplus1 I know this file but thanks
12:16	tenplus1	:P
12:20	tenplus1	I kinda thought that was the area that determined blast radius after counting how many tnt in spot
12:23	cx384	hm
12:50	Fixer	SECRETS OF MY AGE
12:50	tenplus1	?
12:50	Fixer	tenplus1: "282. çŒ« ã‚· Corp. - SECRETS OF MY AGE [with ãƒãƒ¼ãƒžãƒ³Roman] [3:07]"
13:03	* cx384	used 9*99 TNT at once
13:04	tenplus1	how big was the blast radius ?
13:06	cx384	28
13:06	cx384	tenplus1, http://imgur.com/a/hZTzF
13:07	tenplus1	ehehehe, bet that was laggy :P
13:07	cx384	no not really
13:51	Krock	if we use VManip for the TNT explosions now, they should explode quite fast
13:51	tenplus1	they kinda do
14:22	red-001	oh this is ironic I messed my code up so that minetest crashed if the lua code was correct and worked if the lua code wasn't
14:22	tenplus1	???? wut
14:23	red-001	lets just say that the C lua API is confusing
14:23	red-001	and I should really make sure to read the docs instead of assuming things
14:23	tenplus1	eheheh
14:29	red-001	wow this feels amazing
14:29	red-001	I finnaly got really error messages
14:29	red-001	not just segfaults
14:29	tenplus1	heh, slow progress ?
14:29	red-001	yeah
14:29	red-001	I got init.lua in bultin to run
14:30	red-001	now it's crashing on the subdirs
14:31	red-001	but I think right now the issue is a quick hack I used easier and it should be easy to fix
14:31	tenplus1	we need proper error messages for NaN values in entities... with line number
14:33	Fixer	nah
14:36	red-001	-h + n
14:43	red-001	\o/!!!
14:44	red-001	bultin loaded correctly
14:44	tenplus1	w00t
14:45	red-001	well maybe if I can clean the code up and fix the loading of other mods there is a chance someone will be able to implement server mod sending fairly soon
14:46	tenplus1	server mod finding ? explain plz ?
14:46	red-001	servers sending CSM mods to the client
14:46	tenplus1	ah yes, that would be a LOT better than local CSM mods :P
14:47	red-001	if I can finish this it will be a major prerequisite for that out of the way
14:49	red-001	https://github.com/red-001/minetest/commit/3f804e8a018b6f5bff6c3cf8312badcebfcba1b2 the code is kinda a mess right now through
14:49	red-001	!title
14:49	ShadowBot	start work on csm transfer Â· red-001/minetest3f804e8 Â· GitHub
15:03	benrob0329	Hello
15:04	red-001	oh this is dumb
15:04	red-001	I forgot to enable CSM
15:05	red-001	thats why my code for loading other mods didn't do anything
15:05	red-001	hi benrob0329
15:05	tenplus1	hi benrob
15:08	benrob0329	Whats up,
15:08	benrob0329	?
15:11	red-001	I'm starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel for loading mods into memory
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15:19	tenplus1	hi Megaf
15:19	Megaf	Hello
15:19	benrob0329	Hi Megaf
15:20	benrob0329	red-001: client side mods?
15:23	red-001	yeah
15:23	nerzhul	red-001, many ugly memory copy
15:24	nerzhul	also red-001 i think it can be a nice idea to have CSM local mods and CSM server sent mods, 2 lua stack can be nice
15:24	red-001	huh
15:24	red-001	intersting idea
15:25	nerzhul	it permits to have various APIs if needed
15:25	red-001	well you can ignore all anything related to server-mod sending in that code for now
15:26	Shara	Is there any easy way to have paramtype2 = "facedir", so that you can choose rotation when first placing a node, but to then prevent rotation being changed after that?
15:27	Krock	changing param2 does not invoke any callback
15:27	Shara	Krock: Problem is a have a node that it must be possible to place facing any direction, but then once placed, it should not be possible to change it again.
15:27	Shara	I have*
15:28	Krock	hmm.. I wonder how the beds did it
15:28	Shara	Beds in default rotate
15:28	Shara	I thought they'd give an answer as well, but just tested...
15:29	Shara	in MTG* I should say
15:29	Krock	the screwdriver mod seems to call "on_rotate", which you could use
15:29	Krock	returning false seems to prevent rotating
15:29	Shara	I wondered if there was such a thing, but dev wiki said no :)
15:29	Shara	I will hunt elsewhere
15:30	Shara	Thank you
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15:30	Krock	because this isn't a core function. it's from the screwdriver mod itself
15:30	Shara	Ahh
15:30	red-001	http://i.imgur.com/c1KLB4z.png
15:31	Krock	!next
15:31	ShadowBot	Another satisfied customer. Next!
15:31	Shara	I'm only 'satisfied' if it works out :P
15:31	Shara	So we'll see about that part :)
15:36	Shara	Not really sure how to make use of it.
15:39	* Shara	goes hunting examples
15:40	Krock	... , on_rotate = function() return false end,
15:40	Shara	Lookign at homedecor beds now :)
15:42	Shara	Okay, got it working now I think :)
15:42	Shara	Thanks Krock
15:43	tenplus1	no rotation for you mr.node
15:43	Krock	np
15:43	Shara	It messes up handholds if you can rotate them after placement :)
15:48	Jordach	:thinking:
15:48	Jordach	Technics RP-DJ1200 vs 670mw @ 32ohms
15:48	Jordach	Technics still unstoppable
15:49	tenplus1	k, it seems that entities can glitch into solid nodes even when physical=true
15:50	Megaf	dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdc bs=2M count=50 #Because I live living dangerously
15:50	Megaf	Hi benrob0329
15:51	red-001	https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/5965
15:51	red-001	!title
15:51	ShadowBot	Load client-side mods into memory before executing them. by red-001 Â· Pull Request #5965 Â· minetest/minetest Â· GitHub
15:51	nerzhul	Megaf, if=/dev/urandom
15:52	red-001	Megaf, I read /dev/zero as /dev/zeno
15:55	Megaf	nerzhul, Im not trying to hide data, just wipe parition table
15:55	Megaf	partition
15:55	Megaf	so I can run a # mkfs.xfs -L "SD_D" /dev/sdc
15:57	nerzhul	you don't need to use dd, you can use mkfs directly
15:57	Megaf	nerzhul, I know, but sometimes some bits and pieces remain and confuses the OS
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16:04	tenplus1	wb
16:05	benrob0329	I should reformat all my flash sticks to ext4
16:05	benrob0329	Just to annoy windows users
16:05	Megaf	benrob0329, use XFS
16:05	Megaf	is the fastest for everything
16:06	benrob0329	Meh
16:06	tenplus1	wasnt f2fs good for flash devces ?
16:06	Megaf	or JFS if you want it fast and reliable
16:06	benrob0329	From what ive seen, it has issues in other areas
16:06	tenplus1	ohh
16:06	Megaf	JFS is one of the FS that causes the least load on the CPU
16:06	Megaf	super efficient
16:06	tenplus1	Q. was entity collision altered or changed in the 0.4.16 release ???
16:07	benrob0329	https://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?t=1169535
16:07	benrob0329	tenplus1: probably related to the player collision change
16:07	benrob0329	If I had to guess
16:07	tenplus1	eek, didnt realist player collision affected entities
16:08	tenplus1	am having mbos glitch inside solid nodes for no reason...
16:08	benrob0329	Maybe they're using sneak :P
16:08	tenplus1	and each entity is physical=true with no setpos used... just point and move
16:08	tenplus1	lolol sneaky
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16:35	tenplus1	hi bogfoot
16:35	tenplus1	er... hi bigfoot
16:35	bigfoot547	Hi tenplus1
16:35	red-001	!tell bogfoot hi
16:35	ShadowBot	red-001: O.K.
16:35	tenplus1	:P
16:35	DS-minetest	tenplus1: why don't you use tab?
16:36	red-001	^
16:36	tenplus1	it's cheating :P
16:36	red-001	well then it's automated and meaningless dub
16:36	Jordach	/* All hope abandon ye who stack-traced back to here */
16:37	Calinou	<rubenwardy> kilbith, keep doing what you're doing, I look forward to seeing an end product
16:37	Calinou	trust me, he'll turn into a Gabe Newell... ;)
16:38	DS-minetest	lol. tenplus1: how can you type the names at hiing so fastÂ¡Â¿ your poor keyborad!
16:38	red-001	indeed 11 is a fast typer
16:38	rubenwardy	I don't mind whether that it's not open source. Seeing videos and pictures will be cool
16:42	DS-minetest	11 managed to type "wb " and my name totally correctly within 2 seconds
16:42	tenplus1	onyl happens once I have my coffee in the mornings
16:42	Jordach	rubenwardy, >suddenly forgetting the point of FOSS
16:42	Jordach	:thinking:
16:43	DS-minetest	what Jordach wanted to write: https://assets-cdn.github.com/images/icons/emoji/unicode/1f914.png
16:43	rubenwardy	well, the point of LGPL at least
16:43	rubenwardy	they do contribute back patches
16:43	rubenwardy	*well, it's the point of LGPL
16:44	Jordach	no idea
16:44	DS-minetest	so, this: ðŸ¤”
16:44	Jordach	subgames don't write shaders
16:44	Jordach	ðŸ¤”
16:44	Jordach	renders for me
16:46	Sokomine	tenplus1: the mobs are hiding form players :-)
16:47	* Jordach	does not compromise freedoms
16:47	tenplus1	https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/5966
17:27	Calinou	Jordach: https://www.notebookcheck.net/Feels-bad-man-Apple-bans-Pepe-from-its-App-Store.226626.0.html
17:27	tenplus1	aww
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18:10	cx384	Why can't I attach a particle spawner on a player?
18:12	cx384	* to
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18:45	tenplus1	nite folks
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18:49	DS-minetest	aww, it could be so nice if the controls of players could be changed with csm. just imagine afk players going to bed
18:52	Shara	I suppose you want mining bots as well?
18:55	red-001	well you know we are going to be replaced by bots at some point
18:56	red-001	I, for one, welcome our new robotic overlords
18:59	shivajiva	for the record, I have a player who likes to change the smartshop nodes to give stuff away for free, no trace on rollback_check suggests they can alter metadata for any node from anywhere on the map, how likely is this?
19:00	rubenwardy	it's possible the mod doesn't validate formspec submissions
19:00	rubenwardy	you need to check that an action is valid when receiving fields, not just when sending the formspec
19:02	shivajiva	any direct put/take events are recorded in the log, I see nothing, it was changed within the last 24 hours but nobody has been near it for 148 hours according to rollback_check
19:02	Fixer	those security vulnerabs and ways to avoid should be written down on DEV wiki somewhere
19:02	Shara	Getting quite worried about such things myself as well.
19:02	shivajiva	it was not done via the formspec
19:03	Fixer	[1f914]
19:03	* DS-minetest	likes programmable bots
19:04	rubenwardy	they're not using a formspec to modify the settings for the shop? ðŸ˜•
19:04	* Fixer	is waiting for https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/5964
19:04	red-001	!title
19:04	ShadowBot	Fix the serialization error by ff73c7a by Rui-Minetest Â· Pull Request #5964 Â· minetest/minetest Â· GitHub
19:04	red-001	neat
19:04	shivajiva	no otherwise I would see it
19:04	shivajiva	2017-06-11 20:19:11: ACTION[Server]: shivajiva takes default:dirt 99 from X-men shop @ (18914,7,14812)
19:04	shivajiva	2017-06-11 20:19:26: ACTION[Server]: shivajiva takes default:diamond 99 from X-men shop @ (18912,7,14812)
19:05	red-001	the mod logs formspec access?
19:05	red-001	oh
19:05	shivajiva	it does on my server
19:05	red-001	does the mod check if the player can take the items?
19:05	shivajiva	yes
19:05	red-001	you know someone found a way to abuse the way minetest handles inventories and CSM
19:06	Fixer	:}
19:06	Fixer	awesome release
19:06	Fixer	we will find out all kinds of weird hacks
19:06	shivajiva	owner or server owner only access to the put/take
19:07	red-001	I have a feeling there is an undisclosed and undetected exploit in minetest
19:07	red-001	since we are getting a lot of these incidents
19:07	red-001	and WE was patched
19:07	shivajiva	if the server cannot be secured then why should I bother spending money and time :)
19:08	red-001	I suspect that whoever discovered the WE vurnability has found another one
19:08	red-001	or maybe this is a copycat
19:08	Shara	There's also the range killing issue from whatever android client that is
19:08	shivajiva	I'm patched up and security is on
19:08	Shara	which I've heard can get around protection.
19:08	rubenwardy	anti grief is designed to stop that
19:08	rubenwardy	also, smartshop's code is unreadable
19:09	red-001	the range killing thing is only an issue if someone doesn't use anticheat
19:09	Shara	Ranged killing was confirmed on servers using anti cheat, last I heard
19:09	red-001	well then they can open an issue
19:09	Shara	It was on the forum.
19:09	red-001	the orginal report came from someone that wasn't using anticheat
19:11	Shara	sorcerykid was claiming it could be done even with anti cheat anyway
19:11	red-001	rubenwardy, wow you weren't jokinh
19:11	red-001	it starts off with a massive unidented table
19:11	rubenwardy	so, the sellall meta isn't protected
19:11	Fixer	Shara: there were newer fixes
19:11	rubenwardy	but not sure what it does
19:11	rubenwardy	Shara, there's an "all" button when you own a shop
19:11	rubenwardy	what does it do?
19:11	Shara	I assume you mean shivajiva
19:12	rubenwardy	oops
19:12	Shara	:)
19:12	Fixer	Shara: sorcerykid runs very outdated server iirc, 0.4.14, there were anti range attack fixes in 0.4.15-dev
19:12	rubenwardy	ahh
19:12	rubenwardy	found it
19:12	red-001	huh my respons re that seems to have been removed from the topic
19:12	Shara	Fixer: she (?) said it was tested on Just text
19:12	Shara	test*
19:12	rubenwardy	the button to change limited/unlimited modes isn't checked
19:12	red-001	or maybe the forum messed up when submiting
19:12	shivajiva	hmm here's a coincidence...
19:12	Fixer	Shara: just test was running 0.4.14 last i checked
19:12	shivajiva	[20:08:18] <andao> Which worlds were yours, again? I thought I'd chat with the kids there... Just interviews
19:12	shivajiva	[20:08:32] <andao> You don't mind if I check some things with them, of course
19:13	Shara	Hmm, okay.
19:13	rubenwardy	so a client can submit a form to change it to unlimited mode even if they don't own it
19:13	shivajiva	[20:09:00] <shivajiva> ?
19:13	shivajiva	[20:11:02] [Whois] andao is ~root104.236.109.164 (root)
19:13	shivajiva	[20:11:03] [Whois] andao is online via leguin.freenode.net (UmeÃ¥, SE, EU).
19:13	shivajiva	[20:11:03] [Whois] andao has been idle for 7 seconds.
19:13	shivajiva	[20:11:03] [Whois] andao has been online since 11/06/2017 20:01:45.
19:13	shivajiva	[20:11:03] [Whois] End of WHOIS list.
19:13	red-001	??
19:13	red-001	wtf are you pasting?
19:13	red-001	oh
19:13	shivajiva	join the dots...
19:13	red-001	our favorite ban evader is back
19:13	VaultyTowers	104? thats close to my IP
19:13	Fixer	0.4.14-dev, just_test_tribute, v7JT2 @test@
19:14	red-001	well let the freenode ops deal with one that has no name
19:14	red-001	and let us talk in peace
19:14	Fuchs	and try to maybe not report these that we already k-lined :)
19:15	VaultyTowers	htf is it so close?
19:15	red-001	* [VaultyTowers] (~Cranberrycpe-104-229-131-152.twcny.res.rr.com): realname
19:15	VaultyTowers	dude I didnt need my whole IP blurted out
19:15	red-001	I mean then get a cloak or something
19:15	Fixer	hmmm, Cashworld/JT/JT2/Hometown having >100 000 entries in auth.txt that is XX mb of size (it seems)
19:16	VaultyTowers	you coulda blocked out the rest of the numbers you know
19:16	red-001	well I do suppose
19:16	red-001	and no it's not close
19:16	VaultyTowers	first number is
19:16	Fixer	Current number of player files = 133,762 / auth.txt size = 61.8 MB
19:16	Fixer	insane
19:17	Fuchs	cloaks don't really hide IPs
19:17	VaultyTowers	Dynamic IPs do
19:17	VaultyTowers	and imma boot up that Auto VPN things
19:17	red-001	Fuchs, well they do help a bit
19:17	Fuchs	a little
19:18	Fuchs	a tiny little
19:18	red-001	at the least they tell people it's none of thier business
19:18	Fuchs	mostly they give a false sense of security
19:18	Fuchs	anyway, yes, I can give cloaks if needed.
19:18	red-001	anyway your ip isn't really personal info
19:19	red-001	at most it allows someone to guess what region you are in and your ISP
19:19	VaultyTowers	fuchs may I have one just because?
19:19	Fuchs	probably
19:19	red-001	anyway there are 16777216 ip address that start with 104.
19:19	Fuchs	VaultyTowers: yes, but it would be based on your accountname, which differs from your current nick
19:20	VaultyTowers	my account name is Vault
19:20	VaultyTowers	VaultBoy*
19:20	Fuchs	VaultyTowers: if you want to fix that: /msg nickserv group /msg nickserv set accountname VaultyTowers (for me it doesn't matter)
19:20	Fuchs	yep
19:20	VaultyTowers	inchra is Vault
19:20	Fuchs	that would be in the cloak. Fine?
19:20	VaultyTowers	yes
19:20	VaultyTowers	im fine with it
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19:20	Fuchs	okay, there you go
19:20	red-001	* VaultyTowers (~Cranberryunaffiliated/vaultboy) has joined
19:20	VaultyTowers	thank you sir
19:20	Shara	red-001: actually, by some laws ip address is personal information
19:20	Fuchs	welcome, and no need to sir me :)
19:20	red-001	Shara, I do suppose it depends
19:21	VaultyTowers	:P
19:21	Shara	Don't ask me which, because it's not the ones I have to work with thankfully
19:21	VaultyTowers	now I need to figure out how I got autoVPN on my laptop and get it on my tower
19:21	cx384	If anyone want to know I have updated my inventorybags mod https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=17847&p=276766#p276766
19:21	rubenwardy	some ISPs allocate IPs statically
19:21	VaultyTowers	mine changes periodically
19:21	red-001	rubenwardy, I heard that comcast does that
19:21	VaultyTowers	it'll say towns near mine
19:22	VaultyTowers	(near being 2-50 miles)
19:22	VaultyTowers	never actually says my town
19:22	red-001	hey every some often my geolocation is off by around ~500 kilometers
19:23	red-001	so*
19:23	red-001	Shara, tell them to message someone on /stats p
19:23	red-001	or really just do /ignore !~root@
19:24	red-001	the chances are people running IRC as root are not worth your time
19:25	VaultyTowers	man and I was playing my Emulator too
19:25	VaultyTowers	and when I come back someones at it
19:25	red-001	well I guess spammer activity is resuming
19:27	red-001	huh I wonder how practical would it be to add all digital ocean ip ranges to ignore
19:28	Raven262	Why was he "testing" it on me?
19:28	Raven262	He said Test
19:28	lisac	OR ME
19:28	lisac	:O
19:28	VaultyTowers	lol isnt digital ocean a hosting service?
19:28	red-001	yes
19:28	Raven262	<andao> Test
19:28	Raven262	<andao> Who are you, really?
19:28	Raven262	there
19:28	Raven262	i got those
19:28	lisac	<andao> Politeness is a virtue
19:28	red-001	our favorite troll without a name abuses it as a VPN
19:28	VaultyTowers	ok now you can tell its him
19:29	VaultyTowers	I mean COME ON
19:29	red-001	lisac, Raven262 I recommand /ignore !~root@
19:29	Raven262	sure
19:29	lisac	nice
19:29	* red-001	wonders how much someone has to abuse a service before freenode requires sasl to connect from it
19:29	red-001	it happened to openshit
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19:29	red-001	(I swear it wasn't me)
19:30	rubenwardy	well, as long as my IP doesn't indicate my address of 12 Fausserue Road, I'm happy
19:30	rubenwardy	oh no
19:30	red-001	shift***
19:30	PsychoVision	I am Here have much fear J/K
19:30	Shara	Hi PsychoVision
19:30	red-001	Are you psycho, PsychoVision?
19:31	Raven262	He must be.
19:31	PsychoVision	Yup Oo Annnnnd A Big Hell0 to You Shara And red-001
19:31	Fuchs	red-001: not that much, but it also depends on whether we can SASLify it
19:31	Raven262	Awesome.
19:31	VaultyTowers	i wanna test something
19:31	Fuchs	if it is something with a load of ranges we don't know, we obviously can't do it
19:31	PsychoVision	AFK! don't kick me
19:31	PsychoVision	Wait!
19:32	red-001	ah
19:32	PsychoVision	Hellooooo Fuchs :D
19:32	Raven262	Are you okay?
19:32	Raven262	lol
19:32	PsychoVision	OK AFK!
19:32	red-001	well there go my hopes
19:32	red-001	ditigal ocean doesn't even publise thier ranages
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19:33	red-001	??
19:33	VaultyTowers	haha it works
19:33	Fuchs	well
19:33	VaultyTowers	Love that Extension
19:33	red-001	ok....
19:33	VaultyTowers	"UltraSurf"
19:33	Fuchs	maybe they start cooperating after some of their IPs get added to an RBL shrugs
19:34	red-001	Real-time Blackhole List?
19:35	sfan5	red-001: it's farily easy to use any of the bdp viewers on the web to see which ranges are allocated to their ASs
19:36	Fuchs	red-001: yes
19:41	red-001	shivajiva, so the mystery of the shop was solved right?
19:41	red-001	I do have to ask, is the players ip a digital ocean ip?
19:41	VaultyTowers	who was it?
19:44	Fixer	i'm curious about shop mystery too, please answer
19:44	red-001	well deductive reasoning seems to strong implicate someone but as I'm not at person I will not make any claims
19:48	red-001	both the motitvation and means are there but we don't have proof
20:01	shivajiva	no, the shop wasn't modified via the formspec as far as I can tell
20:02	shivajiva	my version doesn't have the 'all' button either
20:03	red-001	could you upload your version then?
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20:33	Darcidride	Hi everybody
20:33	PsychoVision	Halo :D
20:33	PsychoVision	AFK!
20:37	red-001	hi
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20:50	red-001	eh so Grandolf isn't banned?
20:51	bigfoot547	Lookit: ~NotGrando2604:6000:d842:8600:f1b9:d5cc:2e32:30b5
20:51	red-001	we should really decide if we want to ban him or not
20:51	bigfoot547	Yes, it is grandolf
20:51	red-001	they are still banned on #minetest
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21:13	red-001	hi Bobr2
21:13	red-001	ha faster then 11
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22:56	Fixer	"Meanwhile, the Mojang team confirmed plans to bring all versions of the game to parity, and it will do by connecting those various gamesâ€”including many not on Microsoft platformsâ€”via the Xbox Live service."
22:56	Fixer	kek
23:08	red-001	well night
23:11	rubenwardy	lol
23:12	bigfoot547	bye
23:12	bigfoot547	I'll take over
23:12	rubenwardy	I was thinking that it was only a matter of time before MS did something stupid, like locking them into xbox live and dropping Linux support
23:12	rubenwardy	not sure about the latter
23:13	Fixer	rubenwardy: they will drop java version eventually it seems
23:13	Fixer	end without java - bye linux
23:13	rubenwardy	are they adding mod support to the C++ version?
23:14	Fixer	i think they will
23:14	Fixer	maybe they will support linux too, who knows
23:14	rubenwardy	lol, nice joke
23:14	rubenwardy	:)
23:14	rubenwardy	although tbf they did visual code
23:15	rubenwardy	but I guess that's due to lots of programmers being on Linux
23:16	Fixer	discontinuing java version will be huge
23:16	Fixer	since all cool stuff developed for it
23:16	Fixer	mods/plugins/etc
23:16	rubenwardy	hmmm
23:17	rubenwardy	I wonder if they'll buy forge, and make a compatibility layer in Java
23:17	rubenwardy	but how many mods use forge?
23:19	Fixer	lots
23:19	rubenwardy	as a percentage though
23:19	Fixer	everything important
23:19	Fixer	it seems
23:19	bigfoot547	Does anyone know perttu1?
23:19	bigfoot547	he keeps messaging me
23:20	bigfoot547	Ok, thanks
23:20	Fixer	LOLOL
23:21	bigfoot547	Yep, figures.
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23:28	Fixer	I have mc beta 1.7.3 (2011) from the time when I played on Kray's server (minetest), back then lots of mods were modded java classes of minecraft, there was also modloader or smth like that
23:29	bigfoot547	You are lucky you have minecraft.
23:29	bigfoot547	:P
23:30	Fixer	for example, even in 2011 there was Z-Buffer fix for ATI, OptiFine, OptiTick, farland jitter fix, skin fix - all of them are *.class files
23:30	bigfoot547	Use java bluej to decomp them by the way.
23:31	Fixer	Minetest Z-Buffer bug was fixed 5 years later, Carl (by RBA)
23:31	Fixer	one line fix
23:31	Fixer	zbuffer = 24 bit or smth
23:32	Fixer	bigfoot547: thats why minecraft (java version) was soooo heavily modded in all aspects, from server plugins to mods
23:33	Fixer	MC was close to complete in mid 2011, yet Minetest 6 years later still has this... MTG
23:33	Fixer	how much MTG evolved since 2012?
23:34	Fixer	and how?
23:34	rubenwardy	that's what having 10s of full time devs does
23:34	Fixer	what was ground breaking?
23:36	Fixer	i need to think about what was revolutionary in MTG since 2011...
23:36	Fixer	carts
23:36	Fixer	doors
23:36	Fixer	"revolutionary"
23:37	Fixer	and then you realise how little MTG changed since 2011
23:38	Fixer	sure, new blocks here and there, carts (in 2016), tweaks inside
23:39	Fixer	pure sandbox with elements of survival
23:39	Fixer	"pure"
23:39	Fixer	semi-pure*
23:40	Fixer	main question: will it persist in this way for decades, or there will be some random push to somewhere
23:41	Fixer	MTG is evolving
23:41	Fixer	but slowly
23:41	Fixer	will see

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