Time  Nick          Message
07:57 tenplus1      hi folks
07:57 Raven262      Hello tenplus1
07:58 tenplus1      hi raven :P
08:03 DS-minetest   hi tenplus1
08:03 tenplus1      hi DS-minetest
08:03 tenplus1      Q. When using creative mode, should mobs NOT attack players ???
08:04 Raven262      Yep
08:04 Raven262      (interpret as both yes and no)
08:04 tenplus1      lol
08:04 Raven262      I think they shouldn't actually
08:04 tenplus1      unless you hit them 1st :PP
08:05 Raven262      But how would you test your armour protection if they won't attack you?
08:05 Raven262      Yes.
08:05 tenplus1      so turn off automatic attack in creative until you hit them 1st :)
08:05 tenplus1      a good middle ground :D
08:07 Raven262      Yes, i think that would eb best
08:08 Raven262      *be
08:08 Raven262      +1 𓆣
08:08 tenplus1      :P
08:08 Raven262      you also don't see scarabs?
08:08 Raven262      xD
08:08 tenplus1      nope, still dont see them even though am using unicode font
08:11 Raven262      Maybe it needs some extended unicode
08:11 Raven262      linux mint users see them
08:12 tenplus1      checking repo... might have removed font by muistake :D
08:12 Raven262      xD
08:28 tenplus1      mob redo api updated... mobs no longer attack in creative mode unless hit 1st
08:38 tenplus1      wb
08:47 Calinou       hi
08:47 tenplus1      hi Cal
08:50 tenplus1      what's new ?
09:11 Raven262      Can Lupercus get voiced?
09:12 tenplus1      hi Lupercus
09:12 Lupercus      hi man hows it going
09:12 Lupercus      ty for voice
09:12 tenplus1      good thx, you?
09:12 tenplus1      it's not autovoicem, only for this session
09:12 Lupercus      pretty good
09:13 Lupercus      its cool
09:14 Lupercus      have you had any problems with a play named LordVlad, Ranma, koby, koby2, or Sonny recently on Xanadus?
09:14 Lupercus      player*
09:14 tenplus1      cant remember any of those players on Xanadu while I was there...
09:14 Lupercus      all usernames are same person
09:14 Lupercus      hang on i have a couple more
09:15 Lupercus      looking in my logs
09:15 Lupercus      Rukai606, GatoNegro, Ranma are 3 more
09:16 Lupercus      some have different ips that are only one or two numbers different
09:16 tenplus1      will keep an eye out
09:16 Krock         hi tenplus1
09:16 Lupercus      ok man i seen him there once but dont remember which name he was using
09:16 tenplus1      hi Krock :)
09:17 Raven262      Lupercus, GatoNegro and Ranma were on craig's server last few days.
09:17 Raven262      The question is: how did they join?
09:17 Lupercus      he has been banned from alot of servers for various reason craigs, Gabos, and my server are the ones i can get the info on
09:17 red-001       the name LordVlad rings a bell
09:18 Raven262      Yeah, red-001 we banned him
09:18 red-001       ah
09:18 Lupercus      yes red
09:18 Lupercus      from City-States
09:18 Raven262      but his alternative accounts can still join somehow
09:18 red-001       dynamic ip?
09:18 Lupercus      yes xban doesntstop him
09:18 red-001       well you could take a look at what thier ip range is then
09:18 tenplus1      thankfully no-one can join Xanadu just now as borders are closed... but when they do players are limited to 3x user accounts and link/check across ip's when they log in
09:19 red-001       and just ban that using iptables or something
09:19 red-001       but davisonio needs to do that
09:19 red-001       at least for craigs server that is
09:20 Raven262      I invited davisonio here
09:21 Raven262      and he seems here too
09:21 red-001       indeed
09:21 red-001       otherwise I would have messed up spelling his nickname
09:22 Raven262      Me too.
09:22 Raven262      davisonio, your nick is a bit hard to spell.
09:22 Raven262      There.
09:22 red-001       I always remeber it as daveisonio
09:22 red-001       adding that extra e
09:22 davisonio     I get notified on "craig" too ;)
09:23 Raven262      He is here! xD
09:23 Lupercus      hi davisonio long time man
09:23 tenplus1      hi davisonio
09:23 davisonio     Hey :)
10:12 tenplus1      do we have any issues with entities at the moment ???
10:12 tenplus1      typically them going through solid nodes when they shouldnt ?
10:20 shivajiva     Hi tenplus1, had to add a check for entity pos in playerplus, it crashed with a nil pos after 2 punches yesterday
10:21 tenplus1      hi shiva
10:22 tenplus1      what line ?
10:22 shivajiva     no guaranteed vectors unfortunately, sometimes we get nil
10:23 shivajiva     its 234 in my version
10:24 tenplus1      looks like player was disconnected during punch meaning no pos
10:24 tenplus1      will add check
10:25 shivajiva     it's the line that assigns the ent:getpos() to local newpos
10:26 tenplus1      that was removed... we're only using the entity attach code now
10:26 tenplus1      my version no longer has that line
10:28 shivajiva     I realise, just asserting it can be nil randomly for various calls to get a position as noted before
10:29 tenplus1      :P
10:31 shivajiva     I must have added 4 checks in various mods to stop server crashes with nil pos or out of range vectors since 0.4.15
10:31 tenplus1      yeah, gotta bulletproof many things when it comes to entities :D
10:35 shivajiva     it happened in areas mod and that was for player position so I'm not sure it's confined to just entities
10:36 tenplus1      many nil checks later :P ehe... wonder how much that slows a mod down checking for these things constantly
10:42 Shara         Hello all
10:42 tenplus1      hi shara
10:42 Shara         tenplus1: Just reading logs, that change to mobs for creative priv is horrible
10:43 Shara         Just because I have creative priv on a server that has mobs, doesn't mean I don't want to be able to play there as normal when I choose
10:43 tenplus1      kinda thought the last thing you want while building is mobs annoying you
10:43 Shara         So on Xanadu I can never just 'play' again
10:43 tenplus1      no no... it only works in FULL creative mode
10:43 tenplus1      not with the priv
10:43 Shara         Ohh, fine then :)
10:44 tenplus1      if you are playing a full creative game and building they wont harass you... only in survival :D
10:44 Shara         Or actually, hmm, no. It would trash my ability to test things as well
10:44 Shara         Is it a setting at least?
10:46 Shara         Creative mode or creative priv, it's something I'd never want
10:46 tenplus1      nope...  but if you wanna test things like armor etc. while running a creative game then just punch the mob, it'll stil attack
10:46 Shara         Which prevents me testing things like mob range and so on
10:47 tenplus1      test in survival :P
10:48 Shara         Can you please make it a setting?
10:48 tenplus1      will see what I can do...
10:49 Shara         Thank you.
10:49 Shara         I don't understand why someone would add mobs to a game unless they want them to behave like.... well, mobs.
10:50 Shara         It would make much more sense to me in general if there was a setting to disable agression completely.
10:50 tenplus1      that's the thing, creative mode has no health... so why have mobs attack in the 1st place if they cant hurt you
10:50 Shara         Creative can have health
10:51 Shara         ENable creative and enable damage are two different settings
10:51 tenplus1      yeah but most creative servers disable it
10:51 Shara         I've seen enough with it before, and it's a choice people make in singleplayer too. Some want to just play the game but have items.
10:53 Shara         An independant ability to turn off mon aggression would be nice, but I really think it should not be tied to a game mode
10:53 Shara         mob*
10:55 tenplus1      hrm, what to call the setting name
10:57 Shara         Is it possible to make it independent of creative?
10:57 Shara         If so, something like passive_mobs could work
10:58 tenplus1      the enable_damage switch disabled attacks also
11:13 tenplus1      wb DS-minetest
11:13 DS-minetest   thanks tenplus1
11:14 tenplus1      hi Jordach
11:15 DS-minetest   tenplus1: do you think, you can greet in less than 2 seconds? :P
11:15 tenplus1      lol
11:16 Shara         I'm sure I've seen him do it before.
11:34 tenplus1      hi talus
11:36 Calinou       added a tween transition to console, https://lut.im/G7phrTjAhV/c1ll5nqWMQJvWKUq.gif
11:37 tenplus1      ooh nice
11:39 tenplus1      brb, coffee time :D
11:41 nerzhul       Calinou, what is this terminal emulator ?
11:42 Calinou       nerzhul: it's a console for use in Godot games
11:42 Calinou       it's not a terminal emulator
11:42 tenplus1      lol, are you rewriting minetestin godot ? :P
11:43 nerzhul       oh
11:43 tenplus1      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1C4d_SclbKs ahahahaah
11:45 tenplus1      connection probs talus ?
11:46 Calinou       tenplus1: nah
11:53 tenplus1      hi cx384
11:54 cx384         hello tenplus1 :D
11:54 tenplus1      lol, we have players horse racing on Xanadu now... ahahaha
11:54 Shara         Had a feeling that might happen :D
11:54 cx384         nice
11:55 tenplus1      hi Fixer
11:55 cx384         hi Fixer
11:56 Calinou       tenplus1: can you place bets? :D
11:57 tenplus1      lol, gambling for kids... ouch!
11:59 red-001       it's not gambling clearly it's a game of skill
11:59 red-001       thats why it's random
11:59 tenplus1      heh... I dare say a few players may be placing bets :D
11:59 tenplus1      between them
12:02 * red-001     wonders who though it was a good idea not to include a way to get a backtrace using the C api in lua
12:02 red-001       I mean they added it in 5.2
12:02 red-001       but minetest is stuck with 5.1
12:03 Fixer         hi
12:03 tenplus1      ?
12:04 red-001       so many hours of debugging wasted because of that
12:04 tenplus1      is it needed in LUA ?
12:05 red-001       well I needed it for CSM
12:06 red-001       I'm working on implementing a type of virtual file system for CSM into which all mods will be loaded
12:06 nerzhul       red-001, nice
12:06 red-001       so we can finnaly insolate CSM from the filesystem
12:06 red-001       isolate*
12:08 cx384         Dose anyone have an idea how to calculate the radius of a TNT explosion when I want to let more then one TNT explode at the same pos?
12:09 tenplus1      https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/blob/master/mods/tnt/init.lua#L277
12:12 cx384         I am using this "radius = (default_tnt_radius^3*n)^(1/3)" it comes form the sphere formula and the default default_tnt_radius but I think the radius is too small :/
12:14 cx384         tenplus1 I know this file but thanks
12:16 tenplus1      :P
12:20 tenplus1      I kinda thought that was the area that determined blast radius after counting how many tnt in spot
12:23 cx384         hm
12:50 Fixer         SECRETS OF MY AGE
12:50 tenplus1      ?
12:50 Fixer         tenplus1: "282. 猫 シ Corp. - SECRETS OF MY AGE [with ローマンRoman]  [3:07]"
13:03 * cx384       used 9*99 TNT at once
13:04 tenplus1      how big was the blast radius ?
13:06 cx384         28
13:06 cx384         tenplus1,  http://imgur.com/a/hZTzF
13:07 tenplus1      ehehehe, bet that was laggy :P
13:07 cx384         no not really
13:51 Krock         if we use VManip for the TNT explosions now, they should explode quite fast
13:51 tenplus1      they kinda do
14:22 red-001       oh this is ironic I messed my code up so that minetest crashed if the lua code was correct and worked if the lua code wasn't
14:22 tenplus1      ???? wut
14:23 red-001       lets just say that the C lua API is confusing
14:23 red-001       and I should really make sure to read the docs instead of assuming things
14:23 tenplus1      eheheh
14:29 red-001       wow this feels amazing
14:29 red-001       I finnaly got really error messages
14:29 red-001       not just segfaults
14:29 tenplus1      heh, slow progress ?
14:29 red-001       yeah
14:29 red-001       I got init.lua in bultin to run
14:30 red-001       now it's crashing on the subdirs
14:31 red-001       but I think right now the issue is a quick hack I used easier and it should be easy to fix
14:31 tenplus1      we need proper error messages for NaN values in entities... with line number
14:33 Fixer         nah
14:36 red-001       -h + n
14:43 red-001       \o/!!!
14:44 red-001       bultin loaded correctly
14:44 tenplus1      w00t
14:45 red-001       well maybe if I can clean the code up and fix the loading of other mods there is a chance someone will be able to implement server mod sending fairly soon
14:46 tenplus1      server mod finding ? explain plz ?
14:46 red-001       servers sending CSM mods to the client
14:46 tenplus1      ah yes, that would be a LOT better than local CSM mods :P
14:47 red-001       if I can finish this it will be a major prerequisite for that out of the way
14:49 red-001       https://github.com/red-001/minetest/commit/3f804e8a018b6f5bff6c3cf8312badcebfcba1b2 the code is kinda a mess right now through
14:49 red-001       !title
14:49 ShadowBot     start work on csm transfer · red-001/minetest@3f804e8 · GitHub
15:03 benrob0329    Hello
15:04 red-001       oh this is dumb
15:04 red-001       I forgot to enable CSM
15:05 red-001       thats why my code for loading other mods didn't do anything
15:05 red-001       hi benrob0329
15:05 tenplus1      hi benrob
15:08 benrob0329    Whats up,
15:08 benrob0329    ?
15:11 red-001       I'm starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel for loading mods into memory
15:19 tenplus1      hi Megaf
15:19 Megaf         Hello
15:19 benrob0329    Hi Megaf
15:20 benrob0329    red-001: client side mods?
15:23 red-001       yeah
15:23 nerzhul       red-001, many ugly memory copy
15:24 nerzhul       also red-001 i think it can be a nice idea to have CSM local mods and CSM server sent mods, 2 lua stack can be nice
15:24 red-001       huh
15:24 red-001       intersting idea
15:25 nerzhul       it permits to have various APIs if needed
15:25 red-001       well you can ignore all anything related to server-mod sending in that code for now
15:26 Shara         Is there any easy way to have paramtype2 = "facedir", so that you can choose rotation when first placing a node, but to then prevent rotation being changed after that?
15:27 Krock         changing param2 does not invoke any callback
15:27 Shara         Krock: Problem is a have a node that it must be possible to place facing any direction, but then once placed, it should not be possible to change it again.
15:27 Shara         I have*
15:28 Krock         hmm.. I wonder how the beds did it
15:28 Shara         Beds in default rotate
15:28 Shara         I thought they'd give an answer as well, but just tested...
15:29 Shara         in MTG* I should say
15:29 Krock         the screwdriver mod seems to call "on_rotate", which you could use
15:29 Krock         returning false seems to prevent rotating
15:29 Shara         I wondered if there was such a thing, but dev wiki said no :)
15:29 Shara         I will hunt elsewhere
15:30 Shara         Thank you
15:30 Krock         because this isn't a core function. it's from the screwdriver mod itself
15:30 Shara         Ahh
15:30 red-001       http://i.imgur.com/c1KLB4z.png
15:31 Krock         !next
15:31 ShadowBot     Another satisfied customer. Next!
15:31 Shara         I'm only 'satisfied' if it works out :P
15:31 Shara         So we'll see about that part :)
15:36 Shara         Not really sure how to make use of it.
15:39 * Shara       goes hunting examples
15:40 Krock         ... ,  on_rotate = function() return false end,
15:40 Shara         Lookign at homedecor beds now :)
15:42 Shara         Okay, got it working now I think :)
15:42 Shara         Thanks Krock
15:43 tenplus1      no rotation for you mr.node
15:43 Krock         np
15:43 Shara         It messes up handholds if you can rotate them after placement :)
15:48 Jordach       :thinking:
15:48 Jordach       Technics RP-DJ1200 vs 670mw @ 32ohms
15:48 Jordach       Technics still unstoppable
15:49 tenplus1      k, it seems that entities can glitch into solid nodes even when physical=true
15:50 Megaf         dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdc bs=2M count=50 #Because I live living dangerously
15:50 Megaf         Hi benrob0329
15:51 red-001       https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/5965
15:51 red-001       !title
15:51 ShadowBot     Load client-side mods into memory before executing them. by red-001 · Pull Request #5965 · minetest/minetest · GitHub
15:51 nerzhul       Megaf, if=/dev/urandom
15:52 red-001       Megaf, I read /dev/zero as /dev/zeno
15:55 Megaf         nerzhul, Im not trying to hide data, just wipe parition table
15:55 Megaf         partition
15:55 Megaf         so I can run a # mkfs.xfs -L "SD_D" /dev/sdc
15:57 nerzhul       you don't need to use dd, you can use mkfs directly
15:57 Megaf         nerzhul, I know, but sometimes some bits and pieces remain and confuses the OS
16:04 tenplus1      wb
16:05 benrob0329    I should reformat all my flash sticks to ext4
16:05 benrob0329    Just to annoy windows users
16:05 Megaf         benrob0329, use XFS
16:05 Megaf         is the fastest for everything
16:06 benrob0329    Meh
16:06 tenplus1      wasnt f2fs good for flash devces ?
16:06 Megaf         or JFS if you want it fast and reliable
16:06 benrob0329    From what ive seen, it has issues in other areas
16:06 tenplus1      ohh
16:06 Megaf         JFS is one of the FS that causes the least load on the CPU
16:06 Megaf         super efficient
16:06 tenplus1      Q. was entity collision altered or changed in the 0.4.16 release ???
16:07 benrob0329    https://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?t=1169535
16:07 benrob0329    tenplus1: probably related to the player collision change
16:07 benrob0329    If I had to guess
16:07 tenplus1      eek, didnt realist player collision affected entities
16:08 tenplus1      am having mbos glitch inside solid nodes for no reason...
16:08 benrob0329    Maybe they're using sneak :P
16:08 tenplus1      and each entity is physical=true with no setpos used... just point and move
16:08 tenplus1      lolol sneaky
16:35 tenplus1      hi bogfoot
16:35 tenplus1      er... hi bigfoot
16:35 bigfoot547    Hi tenplus1
16:35 red-001       !tell bogfoot hi
16:35 ShadowBot     red-001: O.K.
16:35 tenplus1      :P
16:35 DS-minetest   tenplus1: why don't you use tab?
16:36 red-001       ^
16:36 tenplus1      it's cheating :P
16:36 red-001       well then it's automated and meaningless dub
16:36 Jordach       /* All hope abandon ye who stack-traced back to here */
16:37 Calinou       <rubenwardy> kilbith, keep doing what you're doing, I look forward to seeing an end product
16:37 Calinou       trust me, he'll turn into a Gabe Newell... ;)
16:38 DS-minetest   lol. tenplus1: how can you type the names at hiing so fast¡¿ your poor keyborad!
16:38 red-001       indeed 11 is a fast typer
16:38 rubenwardy    I don't mind whether that it's not open source. Seeing videos and pictures will be cool
16:42 DS-minetest   11 managed to type "wb " and my name totally correctly within 2 seconds
16:42 tenplus1      onyl happens once I have my coffee in the mornings
16:42 Jordach       rubenwardy, >suddenly forgetting the point of FOSS
16:42 Jordach       :thinking:
16:43 DS-minetest   what Jordach wanted to write: https://assets-cdn.github.com/images/icons/emoji/unicode/1f914.png
16:43 rubenwardy    well, the point of LGPL at least
16:43 rubenwardy    they do contribute back patches
16:43 rubenwardy    *well, it's the point of LGPL
16:44 Jordach       no idea
16:44 DS-minetest   so, this: 🤔
16:44 Jordach       subgames don't write shaders
16:44 Jordach       🤔
16:44 Jordach       renders for me
16:46 Sokomine      tenplus1: the mobs are hiding form players :-)
16:47 * Jordach     does not compromise freedoms
16:47 tenplus1      https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/5966
17:27 Calinou       Jordach: https://www.notebookcheck.net/Feels-bad-man-Apple-bans-Pepe-from-its-App-Store.226626.0.html
17:27 tenplus1      aww
18:10 cx384         Why can't I attach a particle spawner on a player?
18:12 cx384         * to
18:45 tenplus1      nite folks
18:49 DS-minetest   aww, it could be so nice if the controls of players could be changed with csm. just imagine afk players going to bed
18:52 Shara         I suppose you want mining bots as well?
18:55 red-001       well you know we are going to be replaced by bots at some point
18:56 red-001       I, for one, welcome our new robotic overlords
18:59 shivajiva     for the record, I have a player who likes to change the smartshop nodes to give stuff away for free, no trace on rollback_check suggests they can alter metadata for any node from anywhere on the map, how likely is this?
19:00 rubenwardy    it's possible the mod doesn't validate formspec submissions
19:00 rubenwardy    you need to check that an action is valid when receiving fields, not just when sending the formspec
19:02 shivajiva     any direct put/take events are recorded in the log, I see nothing, it was changed within the last 24 hours but nobody has been near it for 148 hours according to rollback_check
19:02 Fixer         those security vulnerabs and ways to avoid should be written down on DEV wiki somewhere
19:02 Shara         Getting quite worried about such things myself as well.
19:02 shivajiva     it was not done via the formspec
19:03 Fixer         [1f914]
19:03 * DS-minetest likes programmable bots
19:04 rubenwardy    they're not using a formspec to modify the settings for the shop? 😕
19:04 * Fixer       is waiting for https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/5964
19:04 red-001       !title
19:04 ShadowBot     Fix the serialization error by ff73c7a by Rui-Minetest · Pull Request #5964 · minetest/minetest · GitHub
19:04 red-001       neat
19:04 shivajiva     no otherwise I would see it
19:04 shivajiva     2017-06-11 20:19:11: ACTION[Server]: shivajiva takes default:dirt 99 from X-men shop @ (18914,7,14812)
19:04 shivajiva     2017-06-11 20:19:26: ACTION[Server]: shivajiva takes default:diamond 99 from X-men shop @ (18912,7,14812)
19:05 red-001       the mod logs formspec access?
19:05 red-001       oh
19:05 shivajiva     it does on my server
19:05 red-001       does the mod check if the player can take the items?
19:05 shivajiva     yes
19:05 red-001       you know someone found a way to abuse the way minetest handles inventories and CSM
19:06 Fixer         :}
19:06 Fixer         awesome release
19:06 Fixer         we will find out all kinds of weird hacks
19:06 shivajiva     owner or server owner only access to the put/take
19:07 red-001       I have a feeling there is an undisclosed and undetected exploit in minetest
19:07 red-001       since we are getting a lot of these incidents
19:07 red-001       and WE was patched
19:07 shivajiva     if the server cannot be secured then why should I bother spending money and time :)
19:08 red-001       I suspect that whoever discovered the WE vurnability has found another one
19:08 red-001       or maybe this is a copycat
19:08 Shara         There's also the range killing issue from whatever android client that is
19:08 shivajiva     I'm patched up and security is on
19:08 Shara         which I've heard can get around protection.
19:08 rubenwardy    anti grief is designed to stop that
19:08 rubenwardy    also, smartshop's code is unreadable
19:09 red-001       the range killing thing is only an issue if someone doesn't use anticheat
19:09 Shara         Ranged killing was confirmed on servers using anti cheat, last I heard
19:09 red-001       well then they can open an issue
19:09 Shara         It was on the forum.
19:09 red-001       the orginal report came from someone that wasn't using anticheat
19:11 Shara         sorcerykid was claiming it could be done even with anti cheat anyway
19:11 red-001       rubenwardy, wow you weren't jokinh
19:11 red-001       it starts off with a massive unidented table
19:11 rubenwardy    so, the sellall meta isn't protected
19:11 Fixer         Shara: there were newer fixes
19:11 rubenwardy    but not sure what it does
19:11 rubenwardy    Shara, there's an "all" button when you own a shop
19:11 rubenwardy    what does it do?
19:11 Shara         I assume you mean shivajiva
19:12 rubenwardy    oops
19:12 Shara         :)
19:12 Fixer         Shara: sorcerykid runs very outdated server iirc, 0.4.14, there were anti range attack fixes in 0.4.15-dev
19:12 rubenwardy    ahh
19:12 rubenwardy    found it
19:12 red-001       huh my respons re that seems to have been removed from the topic
19:12 Shara         Fixer: she (?) said it was tested on Just text
19:12 Shara         test*
19:12 rubenwardy    the button to change limited/unlimited modes isn't checked
19:12 red-001       or maybe the forum messed up when submiting
19:12 shivajiva     hmm here's a coincidence...
19:12 Fixer         Shara: just test was running 0.4.14 last i checked
19:12 shivajiva     [20:08:18] <andao> Which worlds were yours, again? I thought I'd chat with the kids there... Just interviews
19:12 shivajiva     [20:08:32] <andao> You don't mind if I check some things with them, of course
19:13 Shara         Hmm, okay.
19:13 rubenwardy    so a client can submit a form to change it to unlimited mode even if they don't own it
19:13 shivajiva     [20:09:00] <shivajiva> ?
19:13 shivajiva     [20:11:02] [Whois] andao is ~root@104.236.109.164 (root)
19:13 shivajiva     [20:11:03] [Whois] andao is online via leguin.freenode.net (Umeå, SE, EU).
19:13 shivajiva     [20:11:03] [Whois] andao has been idle for 7 seconds.
19:13 shivajiva     [20:11:03] [Whois] andao has been online since 11/06/2017 20:01:45.
19:13 shivajiva     [20:11:03] [Whois] End of WHOIS list.
19:13 red-001       ??
19:13 red-001       wtf are you pasting?
19:13 red-001       oh
19:13 shivajiva     join the dots...
19:13 red-001       our favorite ban evader is back
19:13 VaultyTowers  104? thats close to my IP
19:13 Fixer         0.4.14-dev, just_test_tribute, v7	JT2 @test@
19:14 red-001       well let the freenode ops deal with one that has no name
19:14 red-001       and let us talk in peace
19:14 Fuchs         and try to maybe not report these that we already k-lined :)
19:15 VaultyTowers  htf is it so close?
19:15 red-001       * [VaultyTowers] (~Cranberry@cpe-104-229-131-152.twcny.res.rr.com): realname
19:15 VaultyTowers  dude I didnt need my whole IP blurted out
19:15 red-001       I mean then get a cloak or something
19:15 Fixer         hmmm, Cashworld/JT/JT2/Hometown having >100 000 entries in auth.txt that is XX mb of size (it seems)
19:16 VaultyTowers  you coulda blocked out the rest of the numbers you know
19:16 red-001       well I do suppose
19:16 red-001       and no it's not close
19:16 VaultyTowers  first number is
19:16 Fixer         Current number of player files = 133,762 / auth.txt size = 61.8 MB
19:16 Fixer         insane
19:17 Fuchs         cloaks don't really hide IPs
19:17 VaultyTowers  Dynamic IPs do
19:17 VaultyTowers  and imma boot up that Auto VPN things
19:17 red-001       Fuchs, well they do help a bit
19:17 Fuchs         a little
19:18 Fuchs         a tiny little
19:18 red-001       at the least they tell people it's none of thier business
19:18 Fuchs         mostly they give a false sense of security
19:18 Fuchs         anyway, yes, I can give cloaks if needed.
19:18 red-001       anyway your ip isn't really personal info
19:19 red-001       at most it allows someone to guess what region you are in and your ISP
19:19 VaultyTowers  fuchs may I have one just because?
19:19 Fuchs         probably
19:19 red-001       anyway there are 16777216 ip address that start with 104.
19:19 Fuchs         VaultyTowers: yes, but it would be based on your accountname, which differs from your current nick
19:20 VaultyTowers  my account name is Vault
19:20 VaultyTowers  VaultBoy*
19:20 Fuchs         VaultyTowers: if you want to fix that:  /msg nickserv group    /msg nickserv set accountname VaultyTowers      (for me it doesn't matter)
19:20 Fuchs         yep
19:20 VaultyTowers  inchra is Vault
19:20 Fuchs         that would be in the cloak. Fine?
19:20 VaultyTowers  yes
19:20 VaultyTowers  im fine with it
19:20 Fuchs         okay, there you go
19:20 red-001       * VaultyTowers (~Cranberry@unaffiliated/vaultboy) has joined
19:20 VaultyTowers  thank you sir
19:20 Shara         red-001: actually, by some laws ip address is personal information
19:20 Fuchs         welcome, and no need to sir me :)
19:20 red-001       Shara, I do suppose it depends
19:21 VaultyTowers  :P
19:21 Shara         Don't ask me which, because it's not the ones I have to work with thankfully
19:21 VaultyTowers  now I need to figure out how I got autoVPN on my laptop and get it on my tower
19:21 cx384         If anyone want to know I have updated my inventorybags mod https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=17847&p=276766#p276766
19:21 rubenwardy    some ISPs allocate IPs statically
19:21 VaultyTowers  mine changes periodically
19:21 red-001       rubenwardy, I heard that comcast does that
19:21 VaultyTowers  it'll say towns near mine
19:22 VaultyTowers  (near being 2-50 miles)
19:22 VaultyTowers  never actually says my town
19:22 red-001       hey every some often my geolocation is off by around ~500 kilometers
19:23 red-001       so*
19:23 red-001       Shara, tell them to message someone on /stats p
19:23 red-001       or really just do /ignore *!~root@*
19:24 red-001       the chances are people running IRC as root are not worth your time
19:25 VaultyTowers  man and I was playing my Emulator too
19:25 VaultyTowers  and when I come back someones at it
19:25 red-001       well I guess spammer activity is resuming
19:27 red-001       huh I wonder how practical would it be to add all digital ocean ip ranges to ignore
19:28 Raven262      Why was he "testing" it on me?
19:28 Raven262      He said Test
19:28 lisac         OR ME
19:28 lisac         :O
19:28 VaultyTowers  lol isnt digital ocean a hosting service?
19:28 red-001       yes
19:28 Raven262      <andao> Test
19:28 Raven262      <andao> Who are you, really?
19:28 Raven262      there
19:28 Raven262      i got those
19:28 lisac         <andao> Politeness is a virtue
19:28 red-001       our favorite troll without a name abuses it as a VPN
19:28 VaultyTowers  ok now you can tell its him
19:29 VaultyTowers  I mean COME ON
19:29 red-001       lisac, Raven262 I recommand /ignore *!~root@*
19:29 Raven262      sure
19:29 lisac         nice
19:29 * red-001     wonders how much someone has to abuse a service before freenode requires sasl to connect from it
19:29 red-001       it happened to openshit
19:29 red-001       (I swear it wasn't me)
19:30 rubenwardy    well, as long as my IP doesn't indicate my address of 12 Fausserue Road, I'm happy
19:30 rubenwardy    oh no
19:30 red-001       shift***
19:30 PsychoVision  I am Here have much fear J/K
19:30 Shara         Hi PsychoVision
19:30 red-001       Are you psycho, PsychoVision?
19:31 Raven262      He must be.
19:31 PsychoVision  Yup Oo Annnnnd A Big Hell0 to You Shara And red-001
19:31 Fuchs         red-001: not that much, but it also depends on whether we can SASLify it
19:31 Raven262      Awesome.
19:31 VaultyTowers  i wanna test something
19:31 Fuchs         if it is something with a load of ranges we don't know, we obviously can't do it
19:31 PsychoVision  AFK! don't kick me
19:31 PsychoVision  Wait!
19:32 red-001       ah
19:32 PsychoVision  Hellooooo Fuchs :D
19:32 Raven262      Are you okay?
19:32 Raven262      lol
19:32 PsychoVision  OK AFK!
19:32 red-001       well there go my hopes
19:32 red-001       ditigal ocean doesn't even publise thier ranages
19:33 red-001       ??
19:33 VaultyTowers  haha it works
19:33 Fuchs         well
19:33 VaultyTowers  Love that Extension
19:33 red-001       ok....
19:33 VaultyTowers  "UltraSurf"
19:33 Fuchs         maybe they start cooperating after some of their IPs get added to an RBL  *shrugs*
19:34 red-001       Real-time Blackhole List?
19:35 sfan5         red-001: it's farily easy to use any of the bdp viewers on the web to see which ranges are allocated to their ASs
19:36 Fuchs         red-001: yes
19:41 red-001       shivajiva, so the mystery of the shop was solved right?
19:41 red-001       I do have to ask, is the players ip a digital ocean ip?
19:41 VaultyTowers  who was it?
19:44 Fixer         i'm curious about shop mystery too, please answer
19:44 red-001       well deductive reasoning seems to strong implicate someone but as I'm not at person I will not make any claims
19:48 red-001       both the motitvation and means are there but we don't have proof
20:01 shivajiva     no, the shop wasn't modified via the formspec as far as I can tell
20:02 shivajiva     my version doesn't have the 'all' button either
20:03 red-001       could you upload your version then?
20:33 Darcidride    Hi everybody
20:33 PsychoVision  Halo :D
20:33 PsychoVision  AFK!
20:37 red-001       hi
20:50 red-001       eh so Grandolf isn't banned?
20:51 bigfoot547    Lookit: ~NotGrando@2604:6000:d842:8600:f1b9:d5cc:2e32:30b5
20:51 red-001       we should really decide if we want to ban him or not
20:51 bigfoot547    Yes, it is grandolf
20:51 red-001       they are still banned on #minetest
21:13 red-001       hi Bobr2
21:13 red-001       ha faster then 11
22:56 Fixer         "Meanwhile, the Mojang team confirmed plans to bring all versions of the game to parity, and it will do by connecting those various games—including many not on Microsoft platforms—via the Xbox Live service."
22:56 Fixer         kek
23:08 red-001       well night
23:11 rubenwardy    lol
23:12 bigfoot547    bye
23:12 bigfoot547    I'll take over
23:12 rubenwardy    I was thinking that it was only a matter of time before MS did something stupid, like locking them into xbox live and dropping Linux support
23:12 rubenwardy    not sure about the latter
23:13 Fixer         rubenwardy: they will drop java version eventually it seems
23:13 Fixer         end without java - bye linux
23:13 rubenwardy    are they adding mod support to the C++ version?
23:14 Fixer         i think they will
23:14 Fixer         maybe they will support linux too, who knows
23:14 rubenwardy    lol, nice joke
23:14 rubenwardy    :)
23:14 rubenwardy    although tbf they did visual code
23:15 rubenwardy    but I guess that's due to lots of programmers being on Linux
23:16 Fixer         discontinuing java version will be huge
23:16 Fixer         since all cool stuff developed for it
23:16 Fixer         mods/plugins/etc
23:16 rubenwardy    hmmm
23:17 rubenwardy    I wonder if they'll buy forge, and make a compatibility layer in Java
23:17 rubenwardy    but how many mods use forge?
23:19 Fixer         lots
23:19 rubenwardy    as a percentage though
23:19 Fixer         everything important
23:19 Fixer         it seems
23:19 bigfoot547    Does anyone know perttu1?
23:19 bigfoot547    he keeps messaging me
23:20 bigfoot547    Ok, thanks
23:20 Fixer         LOLOL
23:21 bigfoot547    Yep, figures.
23:28 Fixer         I have mc beta 1.7.3 (2011) from the time when I played on Kray's server (minetest), back then lots of mods were modded java classes of minecraft, there was also modloader or smth like that
23:29 bigfoot547    You are lucky you have minecraft.
23:29 bigfoot547    :P
23:30 Fixer         for example, even in 2011 there was Z-Buffer fix for ATI, OptiFine, OptiTick, farland jitter fix, skin fix - all of them are *.class files
23:30 bigfoot547    Use java bluej to decomp them by the way.
23:31 Fixer         Minetest Z-Buffer bug was fixed 5 years later, Carl (by RBA)
23:31 Fixer         one line fix
23:31 Fixer         zbuffer = 24 bit or smth
23:32 Fixer         bigfoot547: thats why minecraft (java version) was soooo heavily modded in all aspects, from server plugins to mods
23:33 Fixer         MC was close to complete in mid 2011, yet Minetest 6 years later still has this... MTG
23:33 Fixer         how much MTG evolved since 2012?
23:34 Fixer         and how?
23:34 rubenwardy    that's what having 10s of full time devs does
23:34 Fixer         what was ground breaking?
23:36 Fixer         i need to think about what was revolutionary in MTG since 2011...
23:36 Fixer         carts
23:36 Fixer         doors
23:36 Fixer         "revolutionary"
23:37 Fixer         and then you realise how little MTG changed since 2011
23:38 Fixer         sure, new blocks here and there, carts (in 2016), tweaks inside
23:39 Fixer         pure sandbox with elements of survival
23:39 Fixer         "pure"
23:39 Fixer         semi-pure*
23:40 Fixer         main question: will it persist in this way for decades, or there will be some random push to somewhere
23:41 Fixer         MTG is evolving
23:41 Fixer         but slowly
23:41 Fixer         will see