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| 02:45 |
Hijiri |
DoS attack? |
| 02:53 |
VanessaE |
I already reported the performance prob in -staff earlier |
| 02:54 |
VanessaE |
(I got even less response than I get from the forum :P ) |
| 03:47 |
TommyTreasure |
!nore if you're around, our DarkLands hacker is back. claims to be a 'security team' |
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ShadowBot |
TommyTreasure: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). |
| 03:48 |
TommyTreasure |
hmmmm |
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Wayward_One |
TommyTreasure, "!tell" |
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TommyTreasure |
Wayward_One, sometimes my fingers think so much faster than my brain. ty though |
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Hijiri |
!nore |
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Hijiri |
what does that do |
| 05:49 |
Hijiri |
!help nore |
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ShadowBot |
Hijiri: Error: There is no command "nore". |
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TommyTreasure |
Hijiri, it does nothing. i forgot to add the rest of the command |
| 06:29 |
TommyTreasure |
exept you just sent a ping to him |
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| 06:53 |
TommyTreasure |
This is meant as informational, not complaining. In the past few weeks, DarkLands has been hit with some users claiming to be creating their own version of minetetest client. They've decided to target me, because of my strict moderator ethics and moral standings. These people (they claim to be a team of 2)..... continued |
| 06:54 |
TommyTreasure |
... have decided that I'm an abusive admin, and have found ways to fly, fast, teleport, noclip, and kill by chat command. On D/L, the kill command requires 'server' privs. here's a link to their threat/warning to me. |
| 06:55 |
TommyTreasure |
https://www.hastebin.com/suyinosure.txt |
| 06:56 |
TommyTreasure |
They have used multiple VPN or proxies to bypass xban. On their previous attack, the also flooded the game's irc channel with profanities and threats. |
| 06:56 |
TommyTreasure |
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| 06:56 |
TommyTreasure |
Again, just informational. I can supply a list of some of their playernames if needed. |
| 07:05 |
Raven262 |
Any other servers reporting this? |
| 07:06 |
Raven262 |
Do they use the same names on other servers too? |
| 07:08 |
TommyTreasure |
i really don't know. i have probably banned one of the little buddies for profanity, and of course, a bad admin is someone who doesn't do things 'their way'. |
| 07:08 |
Raven262 |
yea i know |
| 07:08 |
TommyTreasure |
that's why i posted this as informational |
| 07:08 |
Raven262 |
i'm an admin on craigs server |
| 07:09 |
Raven262 |
And people might say that i... well I am a strict admin sometimes |
| 07:09 |
TommyTreasure |
last night, they attacked for over an hour, and i ended up banning at least 15 player names, and probably caught a few real players in 'friendly fire' |
| 07:09 |
TommyTreasure |
the point is, i'm not the admin, just a moderator |
| 07:09 |
Raven262 |
wait, do you have a list of their names? |
| 07:10 |
Raven262 |
I'll check if any have logged on craig's server this night. |
| 07:10 |
TommyTreasure |
and thankfully, the admin has the trust and respect for me and my actions |
| 07:11 |
TommyTreasure |
my post was also to let the dev team know (which i know the probably already do) that this is a serious threat to the minetest game and community |
| 07:12 |
Raven262 |
Two "hacker" kids are a threat? |
| 07:12 |
TommyTreasure |
when there's only 1 active moderator in the game, and they fill all available player slots, yes |
| 07:13 |
Raven262 |
They call themselves "hackers", yet anyone can modify minetest's client |
| 07:13 |
TommyTreasure |
and then 'killing off' newplayers randomly... yup! |
| 07:13 |
Raven262 |
killing off= |
| 07:13 |
Raven262 |
*? |
| 07:14 |
Raven262 |
Like using a command to kill players? |
| 07:14 |
TommyTreasure |
exactly, and that command is restricted to server priv |
| 07:14 |
TommyTreasure |
so, they've found a way around that. also, the seem to be able to hide their name tags at will |
| 07:15 |
TommyTreasure |
and on this server, that requires moderator privs |
| 07:15 |
Raven262 |
privs are a bit unsecure afaik |
| 07:15 |
Raven262 |
one can easily modify fly and fast, though i did never try others |
| 07:15 |
Raven262 |
*tried |
| 07:15 |
Raven262 |
*have tried |
| 07:15 |
TommyTreasure |
its been explained to me that they aren't changing their privs, but the client is emulating those privs |
| 07:15 |
Raven262 |
heh |
| 07:15 |
Raven262 |
emulating? |
| 07:16 |
Raven262 |
like going around them |
| 07:16 |
TommyTreasure |
fooling the server? i'm not a coder, so my terminology leaves much to be desired |
| 07:16 |
Raven262 |
need devs here |
| 07:16 |
Raven262 |
idk much about coding myself |
| 07:16 |
TommyTreasure |
that's why it was suggested that i post an informational description here |
| 07:16 |
Raven262 |
my brother does, but he is in school right now. |
| 07:17 |
Raven262 |
Awaiting for a dev reply then. |
| 07:17 |
TommyTreasure |
i don't really even need a reply, but i am available to give more information if needed |
| 07:18 |
Raven262 |
Nah, one can not let these guys roaming around. |
| 07:18 |
Raven262 |
They have already avoided server priv, so they can easily destroy the server's world |
| 07:18 |
TommyTreasure |
from what i understand, there's no way to really stop it, just catch them in the act and deal with them 1 at a time |
| 07:19 |
Raven262 |
or |
| 07:19 |
Raven262 |
Persuade them to join us. |
| 07:19 |
TommyTreasure |
that would take all the excitement out of their teen years <tongue in cheek> |
| 07:20 |
Raven262 |
xD |
| 07:20 |
Raven262 |
Nah, i doubt they would find hacking alone that much fun. |
| 07:20 |
Raven262 |
Cause isn't it more fun when you hack for a community. |
| 07:20 |
Calinou |
yes, you can't grant yourself actual fly/fast privileges yourself |
| 07:20 |
Calinou |
but you can trick your client into believing you always have them |
| 07:21 |
TommyTreasure |
exactly the way it was explained to me! ty |
| 07:21 |
Raven262 |
Well, my brother already did that, not much of a work |
| 07:22 |
TommyTreasure |
just my opinion, but that destroys the enjoyment of the game |
| 07:22 |
Raven262 |
no really? |
| 07:22 |
TommyTreasure |
if a person is the only one in the game that can fly, then yes |
| 07:23 |
TommyTreasure |
if a person = if that person |
| 07:23 |
Raven262 |
well, flying destroys the gameplay anyway. |
| 07:26 |
TommyTreasure |
its fine on a creative server, but defeats the purpose on a survival server |
| 07:27 |
Raven262 |
Indeed,Ä‘ |
| 07:28 |
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| 07:28 |
Raven262 |
*indeed |
| 07:28 |
Raven262 |
damn keyboard |
| 07:28 |
Raven262 |
Hello lisac |
| 07:28 |
lisac |
Hello |
| 07:28 |
Raven262 |
lisac came to deal with this situation. |
| 07:28 |
Raven262 |
I think. |
| 07:28 |
lisac |
Raven262 told me someone was modifying MT and changing IPs. |
| 07:29 |
lisac |
I can't do anything about it |
| 07:29 |
lisac |
but if they did give threats of malicious behavior, maybe someone can report them to their ISPs. |
| 07:29 |
Raven262 |
They are changing ips like hell afaik |
| 07:29 |
Raven262 |
So how could one get their isp? |
| 07:29 |
lisac |
Raven262, ISP knows what IP they assigned to whom. |
| 07:30 |
lisac |
and you can check what ISP that IP belongs to |
| 07:30 |
Raven262 |
Ah. |
| 07:30 |
Raven262 |
Seems doable. |
| 07:30 |
lisac |
I'm not sure if it IS possible to report them, though |
| 07:30 |
lisac |
maybe ISP simply doesn't care. |
| 07:31 |
Raven262 |
heh |
| 07:31 |
Raven262 |
Another thing would be, if they are reasonable, mybe we could persuade them to join our cause. |
| 07:31 |
Raven262 |
*maybe |
| 07:31 |
lisac |
join our cause, Raven262? |
| 07:32 |
Raven262 |
MT's cause |
| 07:32 |
lisac |
Oh. I thought you where talking about uniting the workers of the world under a red sky |
| 07:32 |
Raven262 |
Not under this shadow of capitalism, lisac. |
| 07:33 |
Raven262 |
Anyway, those guys said that the work on testing server's protections and stuff. |
| 07:33 |
TommyTreasure |
lisac, the ones that attacked d/l on 2 occasions, were using vpn's or proxies |
| 07:34 |
TommyTreasure |
lisac, did you check the link i posted. their warning/threat to me |
| 07:34 |
lisac |
Um... what link? |
| 07:34 |
Raven262 |
yes he did |
| 07:34 |
Raven262 |
i showed him. |
| 07:34 |
TommyTreasure |
https://www.hastebin.com/suyinosure.txt |
| 07:34 |
lisac |
I did not read it whole, Raven262. |
| 07:36 |
lisac |
TommyTreasure, You could override anti cheat function to ban everyone on the slightest doubt of cheating. |
| 07:36 |
lisac |
or better, require users to add an email to their account to get shout and interact |
| 07:36 |
Calinou |
the default anticheat has way too many false positives |
| 07:36 |
TommyTreasure |
i'm sure the admin has taken all security precautions. i'm only a moderator |
| 07:36 |
Calinou |
some lag? bam, "moved too fast" |
| 07:36 |
Calinou |
most admins end up disabling anticheat entirely due to this |
| 07:36 |
lisac |
I hope they don't attack Craig's. |
| 07:37 |
Raven262 |
Yes, Calinou is right, i got banned many times cause of lag. |
| 07:37 |
Raven262 |
That was some time ago though. |
| 07:37 |
Raven262 |
I don't know if anyone still uses this anticheat system. |
| 07:38 |
lisac |
what server is this on, anyways? |
| 07:38 |
TommyTreasure |
Shara's DarkLands |
| 07:38 |
TommyTreasure |
so i have complete confidence she knows what she's doing |
| 07:39 |
lisac |
hm, I never saw that server. |
| 07:39 |
lisac |
does it have an IRC channel? |
| 07:39 |
TommyTreasure |
yes |
| 07:39 |
lisac |
is it public? |
| 07:40 |
TommyTreasure |
sort of, i'll pm the channel to you |
| 07:40 |
lisac |
okay :) |
| 07:41 |
TommyTreasure |
my paranoia at the moment says i shouldn't paste the channel name here... at least not yet |
| 07:41 |
lisac |
lol, If they try this on freenode, they WILL get banned. |
| 07:41 |
lisac |
i think so, at least |
| 07:43 |
Shara |
Not here for long, but as a note - we don't know they are getting access to server priv. |
| 07:43 |
TommyTreasure |
i'm not in the game, so i don't know what was done |
| 07:43 |
lisac |
Shara, What did they do? |
| 07:43 |
Shara |
I've never been around when it happened, so I don't know much |
| 07:44 |
TommyTreasure |
well, last time they were killing players at totally different parts of the map within a second of each other. even teleport couldn't allow them to travel and kill that quickly |
| 07:44 |
TommyTreasure |
and instantaneously too |
| 07:45 |
TommyTreasure |
1 hit doesn't kill a player with crystal armor with game available weapons |
| 07:47 |
Calinou |
malformed packets to hit players from far away/in rapid succession? |
| 07:48 |
TommyTreasure |
not my area of knowledge |
| 07:50 |
TommyTreasure |
apparently, i've po'd one of their buddies with a ban that was probably well overdue, and its there way to get me fired. |
| 07:51 |
TommyTreasure |
<< too crotchety to bow out. lol |
| 07:51 |
TommyTreasure |
their* |
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| 08:20 |
CWz |
Calinou, how could they do that with malformed packets, it impossible to interact with entities from too far away |
| 08:20 |
CWz |
right? |
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| 08:24 |
CWz |
TommyTreasure, player_transfer_distance = 20 or something could perhaps fix issue of them killing other players. doing this should make it so their hacked client can't see most of the players |
| 08:26 |
TommyTreasure |
CWz, i've used that on my own server, but this conversation is about a server that i'm only a moderator, not the admin |
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| 08:37 |
TommyTreasure |
CWz, i just tried player_transfer_distance = 4 on my test server. was able to kill from 8K away via chat command |
| 08:38 |
TommyTreasure |
understood that the player could not see the player, but knowing the player's name was good enough to find for a kill |
| 08:38 |
CWz |
hmmm using csm |
| 08:38 |
CWz |
? |
| 08:39 |
TommyTreasure |
via /kill playername |
| 08:40 |
TommyTreasure |
server is .15-dev mid march, client is .15-stable |
| 08:41 |
TommyTreasure |
i don't have the irc mod connected, so i cant tell if its possible via irc command |
| 08:41 |
TommyTreasure |
i'm assuming it will work though |
| 08:41 |
TommyTreasure |
my setup only required ban privs to use the kill command |
| 08:42 |
TommyTreasure |
requires* |
| 08:47 |
Raven262 |
The question is can this even be done via csm |
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| 09:15 |
TommyTreasure |
Raven262, yet another question. is this possible by entering commands from the game, through the irc_chat mod? |
| 09:19 |
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| 09:20 |
shivajiva |
it's possible but unlikely as the irc mod requires the player to have his password set using the older method first before they can login via irc and issue commands, a search of the auth file for short lines will reveal which players have the ability to use irc commands |
| 09:25 |
shivajiva |
they would also have to grant privs to the player account to use them via irc afaik |
| 09:25 |
Raven262 |
how about csm? COuld it be that they used minetest's latest feature for this? |
| 09:27 |
shivajiva |
wonder if we have any examples of the problems on 0.4.13 servers |
| 09:28 |
shivajiva |
I certainly had issues back then but WE gui was exploitable... |
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| 09:34 |
TommyTreasure |
shivajiva, do you recall when the fix for WE was done? my version was updated on 5/12/2017 |
| 09:36 |
TommyTreasure |
think i just answered my own question. i'm current with we_gui, and behind with we_commands |
| 09:46 |
red-001 |
TommyTreasure, would it be possible to get more info on the client? |
| 09:46 |
red-001 |
like could you check the version string, etc |
| 09:47 |
red-001 |
Would it be possible they gained access during the worldedit_gui incident and are just abusing it now? |
| 09:49 |
TommyTreasure |
red-001, i'm sorry i've confused the issue. my WE question is in regards to my test server. not public, and not quite ready for prime time. |
| 09:52 |
red-001 |
well I see you have worldedit_gui installed |
| 09:52 |
red-001 |
I assume it patched correct? |
| 09:52 |
red-001 |
it's |
| 09:54 |
TommyTreasure |
red-001, darklands is not my server, its shara's server. i'm just a moderator there |
| 09:55 |
red-001 |
well noclip,fly,fast are the default minetest hacking package |
| 09:56 |
TommyTreasure |
and like i've said before, i trust that shara is totally up to date on anything security related |
| 09:56 |
Calinou |
I think server-side noclip enforcement was added recently? |
| 09:56 |
red-001 |
Calinou, nope, est31 was working on it |
| 09:56 |
TommyTreasure |
i think the server package was updated yesterday, london time. |
| 09:56 |
red-001 |
but it never got merged |
| 09:57 |
red-001 |
what did get added is server-sided node damage and drowning |
| 09:57 |
Calinou |
right |
| 09:57 |
red-001 |
like I said before the best short term soloution would be to try and ban them via version string |
| 09:58 |
TommyTreasure |
wouldn't that take out the majority of mobile client apps as well? |
| 09:59 |
Calinou |
version string can easily be faked |
| 09:59 |
Calinou |
so, that won't fix it |
| 09:59 |
Calinou |
it's just like eg. Web browsers |
| 09:59 |
TommyTreasure |
that was my guess too |
| 10:02 |
red-001 |
thats why I said short term |
| 10:02 |
TommyTreasure |
i would really hate to admit defeat, but if my presence at d/l is going to cause this much problem, my only other alternative would be to surrender my nick and create another |
| 10:03 |
red-001 |
they could pretend to be a release build |
| 10:03 |
red-001 |
but then you could detect a version string/protocol mismatch |
| 10:04 |
red-001 |
also please don't use hastebin.com, the UI is horrible |
| 10:05 |
TommyTreasure |
that wasn't my post, was the link the 'team' left for me |
| 10:06 |
red-001 |
well tell them thier pastebin is shit |
| 10:06 |
TommyTreasure |
that was my first impression too. lol |
| 10:06 |
Calinou |
works fine for me |
| 10:06 |
Calinou |
hastebin.com is very simple, you write something, you Ctrl+S and it's pasted |
| 10:06 |
red-001 |
good damn it hackers at least use a decent pastebin |
| 10:06 |
Calinou |
if you want to change the syntax highlighting, change the language in the URL |
| 10:06 |
Calinou |
it's far better than pastebin.com |
| 10:07 |
red-001 |
Calinou, it's horrbile on lower resolutions |
| 10:07 |
red-001 |
the god damn logo obscures the text |
| 10:08 |
Calinou |
get a decent screen resolution then :P |
| 10:08 |
red-001 |
compear that to this https://paste.ee/p/uTVUP#ShQNt9HTqmyloOQcGX7NthGdpGsBpJTO |
| 10:08 |
red-001 |
it even encrpts their blackmail then |
| 10:08 |
Calinou |
paste.ee seems to be nice, I discovered it a few days ago |
| 10:09 |
red-001 |
https://paste.ee/p/uTVUP |
| 10:09 |
Calinou |
"badmins" |
| 10:09 |
Calinou |
time to get a "Badministrator" title... |
| 10:09 |
red-001 |
I discovered it a few seconds ago |
| 10:09 |
red-001 |
Banministrator |
| 10:09 |
red-001 |
Banmins |
| 10:11 |
TommyTreasure |
you guys are gonna make me more famous than ron jeremy |
| 10:21 |
lisac |
hey, how would you pass a key currently pressed to the clientside modding? |
| 10:21 |
lisac |
or rather, how would you check what keys are currently pressed? |
| 10:21 |
lisac |
not if they are, but which are. |
| 10:22 |
red-001 |
no way as of right now |
| 10:22 |
lisac |
red-001, yeah, but how would one implement that feature? |
| 10:23 |
lisac |
I did get my press key-exec chat command stuff to work |
| 10:25 |
red-001 |
well there is a bunch of ways to do this |
| 10:25 |
* lisac |
is going to try doing it, obviously. |
| 10:25 |
red-001 |
you could allow CSM mods to register callbacks for certain key-presses |
| 10:26 |
lisac |
I don't think that would be a very 'clean' solution |
| 10:26 |
lisac |
maybe a minetest.register_on_keypress(key_id)? |
| 10:26 |
red-001 |
it would be cleaner then running a callback on every keypress |
| 10:26 |
lisac |
or something like that? |
| 10:26 |
red-001 |
that would just be a waste of resources |
| 10:27 |
lisac |
hm |
| 10:27 |
lisac |
no idea really |
| 10:27 |
red-001 |
minetest.register_on_keypress(key_id/keymap,func) |
| 10:27 |
lisac |
^yeah |
| 10:27 |
red-001 |
that way you can check without entering lua if you need to run a callback |
| 10:28 |
lisac |
and then have some sort of an array with defined keys and functions, over which you loop in the input manager? |
| 10:28 |
red-001 |
switching between lua and c++ takes a good bit of time |
| 10:28 |
red-001 |
I suggest reusing existing code if you can |
| 10:29 |
red-001 |
so create a lua callback table for each keypress id |
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| 10:30 |
red-001 |
and add code to the function that registers keypress events that would tell the c++ that a certain table in no-longer empty |
| 10:30 |
lisac |
this might be 'a bit' over my abilities |
| 10:30 |
lisac |
:D |
| 10:31 |
red-001 |
well it is a hard thing to do correctly |
| 10:31 |
lisac |
I'll keep you posted on my progress. |
| 10:31 |
* lisac |
makes a new git branch |
| 10:31 |
red-001 |
thats why it's not implemented yet |
| 10:32 |
red-001 |
in your place I would go for low hanging fruit like correct media loading |
| 10:32 |
lisac |
correct media loading? :) |
| 10:33 |
red-001 |
yes CSM doesn't load textures and sounds |
| 10:33 |
lisac |
should it? |
| 10:33 |
red-001 |
so for textures you have to use the hacky workaround of a texturepack and for sounds there is nothing you can do |
| 10:34 |
red-001 |
or even implement the HUD |
| 10:34 |
red-001 |
huh I might work on the hud |
| 10:35 |
red-001 |
plus I think I though of a nicer way to implement my particles PR |
| 10:35 |
lisac |
red-001, What about this? https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/5874 |
| 10:35 |
lisac |
also, maybe client side mods should be able to add particles |
| 10:35 |
lisac |
for actual rain! :P |
| 10:37 |
red-001 |
I was literaly just talking about csm particles lol |
| 10:38 |
lisac |
oh lol |
| 10:38 |
red-001 |
as for that issue, it's not really a priority |
| 10:38 |
red-001 |
it's just barely and issue |
| 10:38 |
red-001 |
an* |
| 10:40 |
lisac |
yeah, but it is easy to fix. :P |
| 10:40 |
red-001 |
well it should also check for other invaild vaules if this is to be added |
| 10:40 |
red-001 |
like negative numbers |
| 10:40 |
lisac |
wow... param:match("([^ ][-]?[0-9]+)([^ ]+)(.*)") |
| 10:41 |
red-001 |
well come to the werid and wonderful world of lua regex |
| 10:41 |
red-001 |
welcome* |
| 10:43 |
lisac |
I heard some people not only can understand this, but can also WRITE it! |
| 10:43 |
lisac |
foot would encourage me to figure what it does |
| 10:44 |
red-001 |
https://www.lua.org/pil/20.2.html |
| 10:45 |
red-001 |
now why did they use [0-9] instead of %d |
| 10:45 |
Darcidride |
Hi everyone |
| 10:45 |
red-001 |
hi Darcidride |
| 10:45 |
lisac |
red-001, It looks more sci-fi |
| 10:46 |
lisac |
Hi Darcidride |
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| 13:09 |
Jordach |
http://i.imgur.com/nGb8Yqb.jpg |
| 13:36 |
shivajiva |
hmm perhaps we should censor the server list... F*** Minetest seems a bit of a strange name for a server... |
| 13:36 |
nerzhul |
shivajiva, i reported it yesterday |
| 13:37 |
shivajiva |
:) |
| 13:37 |
nerzhul |
but sfan5 told we don't have any rule |
| 13:37 |
shivajiva |
then we should have |
| 13:38 |
shivajiva |
freedom to protect minors overrules freedom to express, surely |
| 13:38 |
nerzhul |
it's the last days before release |
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| 13:39 |
red-001 |
I mean what do we even have the ban function in the serverlist for if you are not going to use it |
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| 13:42 |
Calinou |
shivajiva: IMO, this is not about "protecting minors", just about basic decency |
| 13:42 |
Calinou |
I think such server names shouldn't be allowed, still |
| 13:42 |
Calinou |
it's already possible to ban them, but someone needs to do it |
| 13:46 |
shivajiva |
basic decency isn't a priority around here, plenty of examples of people swearing instead of expressing themselves nicely so it goes with the territory but to allow it to be pushed on kids is very wrong imo |
| 13:52 |
CWz |
what server is offending this time? |
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| 13:53 |
shivajiva |
somebody needs to make a decision about the rules for server names broadcast, before a parent jumps on this and reports it |
| 13:53 |
shivajiva |
the server is FUCK Minetest |
| 13:58 |
benrob0329 |
^^ |
| 13:59 |
nerzhul |
yes, i think some names should be refused by server list, just look at common shit words |
| 13:59 |
benrob0329 |
No swearing, I'd say |
| 13:59 |
nerzhul |
i think i will rename AppleTree to Fucking good Apple in your ass if it's not allowed *joke* |
| 14:01 |
benrob0329 |
Do we have a way to send messages to a server? |
| 14:02 |
benrob0329 |
Like, "your server name contains inappropriate language, it will not be shown in the server list" |
| 14:04 |
nerzhul |
benrob0329, no |
| 14:05 |
red-001 |
we could use an error code for it |
| 14:07 |
Calinou |
there is no mandatory "contact" field, so no |
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| 14:17 |
red-001 |
I think minetest prints the whatever the server returns to the console |
| 14:17 |
red-001 |
so it should be possible |
| 14:19 |
TommyTreasure |
ok, here i go again! why is everyone looking in a programming solution for this instead of a bit of server side includes on the web site. a simple registration and validation page to compare server name with registered server name? |
| 14:20 |
DS-minetest |
TommyTreasure: what are you writing about? |
| 14:20 |
TommyTreasure |
seriously, is a few hours of manual labor not worth the benefit from this kind of garbage being displayed to our kids? |
| 14:21 |
TommyTreasure |
the profane m/t server names |
| 14:21 |
DS-minetest |
for csm to differ servers |
| 14:21 |
DS-minetest |
? |
| 14:22 |
TommyTreasure |
isn't the only one the game uses for display at servers.minetest.net? if not, i'll stand corrected. |
| 14:22 |
TommyTreasure |
if the admins configure for a different announce server, they not our problem, no? |
| 14:24 |
DS-minetest |
I've suggested something about that i think |
| 14:24 |
DS-minetest |
that the server saves to each player a number and the player saves the highest number and co. |
| 14:25 |
DS-minetest |
and for the player every server has a different number but the server gives the players different numbers |
| 14:28 |
octacian |
Is it practical to make an item entity entity with collision that will do things like fall off an edge if less than half of it is on a solid node? |
| 14:29 |
TommyTreasure |
seems to me that a very simple php page, with a small data file would be able to check a server name against the registered server name, and reject the display of a mismatch fairly easily |
| 14:34 |
red-001 |
? |
| 14:37 |
TommyTreasure |
red-001, only me sticking my foot in my mouth again. i'm terribly sorry to everyone |
| 14:40 |
TommyTreasure |
but, before i leave this channel, i'd like to give a brief history of me and minetest. i got involved because i thought it would be a much more wholesome platform for children. since then, my actions as a moderator banning for profane language on a friend's server has caused (imho) severe problems for that server..... |
| 14:41 |
TommyTreasure |
i think i should just back out of minetest completely and find another venue for my efforts |
| 14:41 |
red-001 |
huh |
| 14:43 |
TommyTreasure |
i'm just totally frustrated and the inconsiderate players, and self appointed 'admin cops' that have terrorized shara's darklands game. i feel my wholesome and ethical nature have caused her problems, and now after seeing the display of profane server names.. well, its enough for me to want to find something different for my kids, and the kids of my friends |
| 14:44 |
red-001 |
honestly the whole thing with this server is kinda ridiculus |
| 14:44 |
TommyTreasure |
thank you for letting me rant. i'll sit on the sidelines for a while and keep my mouth shut. :) |
| 14:44 |
red-001 |
if you are not planning to use the ban feature then why include it? |
| 14:45 |
TommyTreasure |
its not my server! |
| 14:45 |
TommyTreasure |
i'm only a moderator |
| 14:45 |
TommyTreasure |
sorry red-001, didn't mean for it to sound sarcastic |
| 14:47 |
TommyTreasure |
but i feel that my actions in trying to keep out profane language is the cause of the current attacks at her server. and like i said, the current profane server names just got my goat big time! |
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kaeza |
hi tenplus1 |
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| 15:36 |
Fixer |
first, do minetest server list is even has some guidelines? |
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| 15:47 |
TommyTreasure |
for crying out loud people, does anyone have the authority here to put a temporary iptables rule on servers host to block that listing? |
| 15:47 |
red-001 |
we can even ban ports |
| 15:47 |
red-001 |
iirc |
| 15:47 |
TommyTreasure |
the announce list!!!!! please guys, there's kids at school looking at that |
| 15:48 |
red-001 |
sfan5> why do we care |
| 15:48 |
TommyTreasure |
its obvious you don't care about anything except your own egos. i'm outta here, i'm outta minetest, and i'm going home to keep my kids out of minetest too. |
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| 15:50 |
red-001 |
well thats disapointing |
| 15:52 |
sfan5 |
lol ok |
| 15:53 |
sfan5 |
i assumed that mransom would deal with this |
| 15:53 |
red-001 |
as would I but it seems they are rarely online |
| 15:53 |
shivajiva |
in the meantime lots of children are being exposed to it... |
| 15:54 |
shivajiva |
if you can take it off the list I suggest you do asap |
| 15:54 |
shivajiva |
instead of the apathy of who cares |
| 15:55 |
red-001 |
I think minetesthosting ports are somewhat static |
| 15:58 |
sfan5 |
should be gone within 5 mins |
| 15:58 |
sfan5 |
people can stop complaining now |
| 15:59 |
shivajiva |
tada! So simple yet so hard to get something done |
| 16:00 |
sfan5 |
really liking that sarcasm right there |
| 16:02 |
shivajiva |
TommyTreasure had to quit, he's a parent and a grandparent and you don't want to listen to his logic, how should I react to the apathy? |
| 16:04 |
sfan5 |
what? |
| 16:04 |
sfan5 |
I wasn't even here when he raised his complaints |
| 16:05 |
red-001 |
!nore |
| 16:05 |
red-001 |
huh |
| 16:06 |
shivajiva |
I'm not targeting you specifically sfan5, just the lack of prompt action |
| 16:06 |
shivajiva |
this was brought to attention yesterday apparently |
| 16:07 |
nore |
red-001: uh? |
| 16:07 |
red-001 |
oh it's just that it seemed ShadowBot responded to that last time |
| 16:07 |
nore |
... |
| 16:08 |
red-001 |
http://irc.minetest.net/minetest-hub/2017-06-02#i_4953882 |
| 16:13 |
benrob0329 |
That escalated quickly |
| 16:18 |
* stormchaser3000 |
hopes there isn't going to be a cyber war in the minetest community |
| 16:19 |
red-001 |
yeah we are recovering from one right now |
| 16:26 |
red-001 |
anyway no need to use [off] |
| 16:26 |
red-001 |
why would a hacker want to read these logs? |
| 16:27 |
red-001 |
I mean they don't even have any way to respond |
| 16:30 |
benrob0329 |
Any doctor who fans who are good at building? |
| 16:30 |
benrob0329 |
I need a new vanilla interior for my tardis mod |
| 16:31 |
benrob0329 |
Also, does anyone have a better way of setting meta than relative coordinates? |
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Sokomine |
setting meta? |
| 17:17 |
Shara |
Hi all. |
| 17:18 |
red-001 |
hu Shara |
| 17:18 |
red-001 |
hi* |
| 17:18 |
Shara |
I see that I arrive home to find I probaby lost DL's last active admin. |
| 17:18 |
red-001 |
seems so |
| 17:19 |
Shara |
I['ll talk to him, but I understand his anger. |
| 17:19 |
CWz |
Shara, DL? |
| 17:19 |
Shara |
My DarkLands server. |
| 17:19 |
CWz |
losing admins? |
| 17:19 |
Shara |
It's been getting attacked on a regulkar basis for the last few weeks now. |
| 17:19 |
Shara |
regular* |
| 17:19 |
CWz |
by some script kiddie? |
| 17:19 |
Shara |
Zeno has practically vanished, now Tommy says he's quitting MT. |
| 17:20 |
CWz |
Why'd Zeno vanish |
| 17:20 |
Shara |
Don't know. |
| 17:20 |
benrob0329 |
I don't know how someone could hate MT so much so as to try to tare the community apart |
| 17:21 |
benrob0329 |
It really is quite sad |
| 17:23 |
CWz |
Who is it |
| 17:25 |
garywhite |
I don't think we know |
| 17:26 |
Shara |
I am very glad that server got removed from the list though. |
| 17:27 |
paramat |
any way to whitelist and restart access to DL? |
| 17:27 |
paramat |
me too |
| 17:27 |
Shara |
paramat: I have exams this week, so barely any time. Thinking about options for what to do. |
| 17:27 |
Shara |
The reality is that I can't run it long term without at least a semi-active co-admin there. |
| 17:28 |
Shara |
At least not without it turning into some kind of anarchy server, which I don't want. |
| 17:29 |
paramat |
ok |
| 17:30 |
Shara |
Maybe either Zeno or Tommy will come back. |
| 17:30 |
Shara |
It's just the worst time for me to find both of them gone. |
| 17:30 |
garywhite |
One thing that we tried before on LS-U was we just started kicking the bot nicks as soon as we saw them (but that only works if the hackers are using bot nicks |
| 17:30 |
Shara |
They're not bots, gary. |
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| 17:31 |
garywhite |
But if they use the Name### type nick, then you could probably just make a bot to kick those users on login |
| 17:31 |
Shara |
Those are just app users. |
| 17:32 |
Raven262 |
Sure, get me kicked that way :P |
| 17:32 |
red-001 |
or me |
| 17:32 |
Shara |
just app users or Raven or red* |
| 17:33 |
Shara |
or possibly benrob0329 :) |
| 17:34 |
paramat |
i suggest closing it for a week for one less worry/distraction and thinking about it in a week's time :] |
| 17:35 |
red-001 |
or sniper57O, stormchaser300O |
| 17:35 |
Shara |
paramat: better option is to temp close borders Xanadu style, if needed |
| 17:36 |
garywhite |
We are going to build a wall |
| 17:36 |
Shara |
It's a very busy server that often hits the player cap. I don't want to close it. |
| 17:37 |
paramat |
so limit it to known good players? yeah |
| 17:38 |
Shara |
Just anyone who already has an account. Prevent new ones only. |
| 17:38 |
Shara |
I don't even like doing that, but it should keep the server safe until I have a bit more time |
| 17:39 |
benrob0329 |
My in game username is benrob03 for a reason :-) |
| 17:41 |
garywhite |
What I don't understand is, why would someone want to attack a server like DL? There are even more crowded servers that they could attack e.g. attacking SwitchPVP could take down about 10 servers |
| 17:42 |
paramat |
heh because some people are just like that |
| 17:42 |
red-001 |
hey trolls gota troll |
| 17:43 |
red-001 |
maybe they have a personal vendetta agiast the server |
| 17:44 |
garywhite |
Happy National Doughnut Day |
| 17:45 |
Shara |
!!! |
| 17:45 |
Shara |
And I don't have any!!' |
| 17:45 |
garywhite |
I just read it on local news, of all places |
| 17:45 |
red-001 |
lol |
| 17:45 |
red-001 |
slow news day? |
| 17:46 |
garywhite |
I guess so, aside from another United plane that caught fire |
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| 17:49 |
Krock |
hi imaginary tenplus1 |
| 17:49 |
Shara |
Hi Krock |
| 17:50 |
Krock |
hi Shara |
| 17:50 |
Fuchs |
oh, look, another Swissisen |
| 17:51 |
Fuchs |
Krock: you might want to auto-identify via SASL so we don't get 3 lines of you on join, two containing your IP (not that cloaks hide them, but it's still somewhat meh) |
| 17:51 |
* Krock |
looks up "SASL" |
| 17:52 |
red-001 |
hello Krock |
| 17:52 |
* red-001 |
was faster then 11 for once |
| 17:53 |
Fuchs |
https://freenode.net/kb/answer/sasl |
| 17:53 |
Fuchs |
this thing |
| 17:53 |
Krock |
oh well, not sure if Nettalk supports that |
| 17:53 |
Krock |
scripting is quite poor |
| 17:53 |
Fuchs |
probably not, but I'd consider not using a client not updated in 5 years. But: to each their own :) |
| 17:53 |
Fuchs |
an alternative is to use YourNick:YourPassword as server password. Not as good, but should work in most cases |
| 17:54 |
Krock |
is that a freenode only thing or will it work on other servers too? |
| 17:54 |
Fuchs |
some of the others |
| 17:54 |
Fuchs |
it's a standard |
| 17:54 |
Krock |
oh cool. thanks :) |
| 17:55 |
Fuchs |
oh, wait, SASL, not the password thing |
| 17:55 |
Fuchs |
the password thing is probably quite exclusive to us |
| 17:55 |
Krock |
hmm.. let's see if this helpef |
| 17:55 |
Krock |
*helped |
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| 17:56 |
Fuchs |
better :) |
| 17:56 |
Krock |
heh, thanks a lot. The server password thingy did it |
| 17:56 |
Fuchs |
welcome |
| 17:56 |
Krock |
didn't know this was possible here |
| 17:57 |
Fuchs |
I'm not sure whether we documented it anywere as SASL or CertFP are prefered |
| 17:57 |
red-001 |
sasl protects your password right? |
| 17:58 |
Fuchs |
no, SASL is just a different way of authenticating. Both will send it as plain text so you should use SSL |
| 17:58 |
Fuchs |
(which, despite the name, is completely unrelated to SASL) |
| 17:58 |
Fuchs |
SASL authenticates during connect, thus before any autojoins, which has benefits (not showing your IP right away, not annoying channels with 3 lines, possible to autojoin channels that require you to be authed) |
| 17:59 |
Fuchs |
server password should do that, but we can't guarantee it |
| 18:00 |
benrob0329 |
Krock: Weechat FTW |
| 18:01 |
Krock |
benrob0329, will switch to Linux in a few weeks anyway. This will allow me to use a recent hexchat version or any other cool client from that universe |
| 18:01 |
Fuchs |
my guess is that he uses Windows, so that will be tricky |
| 18:01 |
Fuchs |
Hexchat is available for Windows too, but: sure, do switch :) |
| 18:01 |
Fuchs |
also Hexchat (or most other clients you can choose from) will support SASL, so do set that up (we have manuals, link above) once you can :) |
| 18:01 |
benrob0329 |
Weechat runs on Windows, you just might want to get a better terminal emulator than cmd.exe :P |
| 18:02 |
Krock |
Well, they dropped the support for Win XP long time ago and I'm not willing to upgrade Windows. The support for 7 will not last for long, so better going to Linux |
| 18:02 |
Krock |
(speaking of Hexchat) |
| 18:02 |
benrob0329 |
You still use XP? |
| 18:03 |
Raven262 |
XP was the best. |
| 18:03 |
Raven262 |
Then 7 |
| 18:03 |
Krock |
sure. I already had this same OS on three different mainboards |
| 18:03 |
Krock |
best Windows of all time IMO |
| 18:03 |
benrob0329 |
Slow windows of current time |
| 18:03 |
Raven262 |
I remember using xp until few years ago |
| 18:03 |
Raven262 |
I didn't have to reinstall it every 2 months |
| 18:04 |
* Fuchs |
cries a little |
| 18:04 |
* Krock |
wonders why |
| 18:04 |
benrob0329 |
Raven262: what do you have to reinstall every couple months? |
| 18:04 |
* red-001 |
dies a little inside |
| 18:05 |
benrob0329 |
Also, WinXP being the best says a lot about windows as a whole :-) |
| 18:05 |
Raven262 |
Cause windows somehow gets laggy as hell |
| 18:05 |
benrob0329 |
Somehow == Cause its Windows |
| 18:05 |
Raven262 |
True |
| 18:05 |
Amaz |
Best of a bad lot :P |
| 18:05 |
Raven262 |
Cuase its windows |
| 18:05 |
Raven262 |
*cause |
| 18:05 |
Raven262 |
But well i'm now on linux anyway |
| 18:05 |
Fuchs |
Krock: because you use heavily outdated software with no security updates :( |
| 18:06 |
benrob0329 |
I mean, it lacks a self cleaning tmpfs and logging filesystem |
| 18:06 |
red-001 |
windows- works most of the time, but you are on your own when it breaks |
| 18:06 |
benrob0329 |
If you move hard disks, pray for God to have mercy |
| 18:07 |
Krock |
Fuchs, I could do the Posready hack to fix that one :P |
| 18:07 |
red-001 |
linux- works some of the time, and you only need to wait through a few hours of "Just read the docs" and "it's pretty simple" to find someone that knows how to fix it |
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| 18:07 |
Fuchs |
I recently updated my Windows 7 to Windows 10, because a staff colleague recommended that after me complaining a lot (I rarely boot windows, it was to play a game with a friend) |
| 18:07 |
benrob0329 |
red-001: until you learn how to read the docs, and then find that you don't have to ask anymore |
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| 18:08 |
Krock |
Fuchs, hint: https://github.com/Nummer/Destroy-Windows-10-Spying |
| 18:08 |
Fuchs |
that was not so funny, because it failed due to various reasons (had to open the laptop and remove the second ssd), then in the end it only worked from an optical disk and with delayed updates |
| 18:08 |
Fuchs |
Krock: obviously already all deactivated, but thanks :) |
| 18:08 |
Krock |
good :) |
| 18:08 |
Amaz |
Also red, I find that linux only tends to break if you do something to break it ;) |
| 18:09 |
benrob0329 |
But if you were like me when I first started using Linux, you WILL break it |
| 18:09 |
benrob0329 |
Because you'll get just enough knowledge to be dangerous |
| 18:09 |
lisac |
Amaz, I completely agree. |
| 18:09 |
Amaz |
I don't think I've ever had an issue with it that I've not caused :P |
| 18:09 |
Amaz |
But I've had plenty of problems that I have caused though ;) |
| 18:09 |
lisac |
benrob0329, 'sudo rm -rf --no-preserve-root /*' |
| 18:10 |
red-001 |
honestly you can do a lot of intersting things with windows too if you do your research |
| 18:10 |
benrob0329 |
lisac: never done that, but I have messed up with dd before |
| 18:10 |
red-001 |
e.g. alternate shells etc |
| 18:10 |
lisac |
red-001, For the short time I had windows installed on my PC, I had to install bash to it. |
| 18:10 |
benrob0329 |
But its not made to do that |
| 18:11 |
Fuchs |
bah, when I started with Linux (more than 15 year ago, heh) rm -rf on root worked without that stupid --no-preserve switch |
| 18:11 |
CWz |
the reason windows slows down after being installed for too long is... recourse it an American product and something to do with how windows prints data to the disks |
| 18:11 |
CWz |
i think... |
| 18:11 |
garywhite |
Or too much HDD space taken up... |
| 18:12 |
red-001 |
huh they even added a shell lancher |
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| 18:13 |
paramat |
~tell TommyTreasure sorry about sfan5's comments, most of us do care and that server has been removed now, do come back! :] |
| 18:13 |
ShadowBot |
paramat: O.K. |
| 18:13 |
red-001 |
paramat, I already told him |
| 18:13 |
Shara |
paramat: I'm talking to him now. |
| 18:13 |
Shara |
But I think he'll appreciate that as well :) |
| 18:13 |
benrob0329 |
Who would have thought though, that I would go from uninstalling Python2 on Linux Mint (hint: don't do that) to compiling my own kernel with a fully modular system |
| 18:14 |
benrob0329 |
In just a few years |
| 18:14 |
red-001 |
bbl breaking my windows install |
| 18:14 |
Fuchs |
benrob0329: I use gentoo, removing python there is slightly more desasterous, because the package manager needs it |
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| 18:17 |
benrob0329 |
Fuchs: as do I, and that would be...an interesting experiment to do in a vm :P |
| 18:17 |
Fuchs |
benrob0329: it's fixable, but it's a pain |
| 18:18 |
Fuchs |
you can download a working image of portage/python and use that to re-emerge python |
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benrob0329 |
Fuchs: just a stab in the dark, but I get the feeling that unpacking a modified stage3 tarball might do it too |
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Fuchs |
well yes, but that will overwrite other stuff |
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benrob0329 |
Fuchs: thus the modified part |
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benrob0329 |
But if there is a tarball with just Python + portage that would be better in such a case |
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Shara |
Welcome back TommyTreasure :) |
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TommyTreasure |
ty Shara, especially for your warm comments |
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Shara |
Not a problem. Glad to have you here. |
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paramat |
\O/ |
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garywhite |
Yay! |
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TommyTreasure |
ty paramat. no apologies necessary. :) |
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red-001 |
good to see you again TommyTreasure |
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TommyTreasure |
ty red-001 |
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garywhite |
wb TommyTreasure |
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TommyTreasure |
ty garywhite |
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benrob0329 |
TommyTreasure: #MakeMinetestGreatAgain :PP |
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benrob0329 |
(Welcome Back) |
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TommyTreasure |
ty benrob0329 |
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Shara |
There. Now only accounts that already exist can connect to DL. |
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Shara |
I'll worry about finding a better answer next week. :) |
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benrob0329 |
central auth :P |
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tenplus1 |
hi folks |
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stormchaser3000 |
hi tenplus1 |
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Amaz |
Hi ten :) |
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Krock |
hi tenplus1 |
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tenplus1 |
hi storm, amaz, krock :) |
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tenplus1 |
how's all today ?:P |
| 19:16 |
lisac |
Hi tenplus1 |
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tenplus1 |
hi lisac |
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Krock |
fine, thanks. Finally weekend |
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lisac |
WEEKEND! |
| 19:16 |
tenplus1 |
:PP |
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stormchaser3000 |
today has been a bit interesting... |
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tenplus1 |
what happened ? |
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* tenplus1 |
is working weekend... buuu |
| 19:17 |
stormchaser3000 |
tenplus1, someone had a server with an inappropriate name on the server list. but the server was taken down |
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tenplus1 |
ooh err, we cant be having names like that on lists that kiddy's see |
| 19:19 |
lisac |
yesterday a power line went down in Serbia; we didn't have electricity in two major towns for 12 hours. |
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tenplus1 |
damn, hope you had a generator |
| 19:19 |
lisac |
We did, but we didn't have the need to turn it on |
| 19:19 |
lisac |
it was day during the power loss |
| 19:19 |
lisac |
but there where crowds on the street looking for an open store lol :D |
| 19:20 |
tenplus1 |
handy :P |
| 19:20 |
tenplus1 |
if all else fails, find somwehere you can be comfortable |
| 19:21 |
Shara |
Hi Ten |
| 19:21 |
tenplus1 |
hi shara :) |
| 19:22 |
Shara |
Interesting on my side too. |
| 19:22 |
Shara |
DL is getting hit by idiots, so had to stop new accounts :P |
| 19:22 |
tenplus1 |
it's handy to have a border just incase it's needed |
| 19:23 |
tenplus1 |
was the server in question run by a certain person who shall not be named ? |
| 19:23 |
Shara |
Don't know. |
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stormchaser3000 |
i wonder if i should make all my servers whitelisted |
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garywhite |
Hi ten |
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tenplus1 |
hi gary |
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red-001 |
tenplus1, we can't confirm or diene |
| 19:31 |
red-001 |
it was a minetesthosting server |
| 19:32 |
tenplus1 |
hi red.... |
| 19:32 |
red-001 |
hi tenplus1 |
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Jordach |
:thinking: |
| 19:34 |
tenplus1 |
hi Jordach |
| 19:34 |
* Jordach |
loves the clicky-ness of this keyboarc |
| 19:34 |
Jordach |
i'm also incapable of spelling anything correctly |
| 19:34 |
red-001 |
Shara, is anticheat enabled on darklands |
| 19:34 |
red-001 |
8? |
| 19:34 |
red-001 |
*? |
| 19:34 |
Shara |
Should be |
| 19:35 |
Shara |
I'd have to check, as someone else might have changed it |
| 19:35 |
Jordach |
>changed it |
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Jordach |
<play of the game> |
| 19:35 |
Shara |
Meow, Jordach |
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benrob0329 |
hi tenplus1 |
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tenplus1 |
hi benrob :p |
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benrob0329 |
i feel like i should do something productive, but im quite tierd |
| 19:41 |
tenplus1 |
lol, I hear ya... suppose to rewrite the protector.drop function in protection mod, but cant be assed |
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paramat |
tenplus1 might be of interest https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/5885 |
| 19:42 |
tenplus1 |
hi paramat and thanks... reading |
| 19:42 |
tenplus1 |
hi Jordach |
| 19:43 |
tenplus1 |
ooh, so is it a flag you set for height level to make a new layer ? |
| 19:44 |
tenplus1 |
lagg is killing this feature: https://github.com/tenplus1/protector/blob/master/init.lua#L312 |
| 19:44 |
tenplus1 |
seems the greater the lag, the more chance of spawning double items |
| 19:46 |
paramat |
well remmeber 'biomes' is just stuff added to stone terrain generated by a mapgen. if a mapgen creates levels this PR allows the set of biomes to be repeated |
| 19:46 |
paramat |
*remember |
| 19:46 |
tenplus1 |
sweeeeeeeet, this is what we need to make layered realms :)) |
| 19:46 |
tenplus1 |
mundo appreciation paramat |
| 19:47 |
tenplus1 |
hows it work ? |
| 19:47 |
paramat |
well, if you want the same set of biomes on each level, often you may not |
| 19:48 |
tenplus1 |
I mean, how do you create a new level ? |
| 19:49 |
paramat |
new stone terrain level or new biome level? |
| 19:49 |
tenplus1 |
new stone terrain... |
| 19:50 |
tenplus1 |
if I wanted a new level at 1000 high what would I do to add this / |
| 19:50 |
paramat |
i'm experimenting with a new core mapgen now in a branch that does this |
| 19:51 |
tenplus1 |
it would be easy enough to add biomes for each level, just the initial level I wanna know how to add |
| 19:51 |
paramat |
you just set the number of levels in a parameter and the vertical height is auto-divided into realms |
| 19:52 |
tenplus1 |
ahh, so no set variable to add a base/stone realm at a set height... just a total number |
| 19:53 |
paramat |
yeah, but a mapgen could be coded that works with API-registered levels |
| 19:54 |
tenplus1 |
sweet... I look forward to seeing this |
| 19:54 |
tenplus1 |
realms/layers is something we sorely need |
| 19:56 |
paramat |
i'm working on various ways to do this |
| 19:56 |
Fixer |
. |
| 19:56 |
Fixer |
test |
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tenplus1 |
hi fixer |
| 19:57 |
Fixer |
github problems again |
| 19:57 |
Fixer |
hi |
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tenplus1 |
what happened to forums last night, was uber slow logging on ? |
| 19:58 |
paramat |
MT forums are often very slow i find, sometimes unavailable |
| 19:58 |
tenplus1 |
:( |
| 19:59 |
paramat |
c55 has said bandwidth seems to get 'throttled' sometimes |
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tenplus1 |
Protector Redo's 'protector.drop' feature has been removed, can easily be exploited using lag |
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tenplus1 |
hi bigfoot |
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Fixer |
decided to search through my 1gb mod folder for that take/move/put metadata thing |
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benrob0329 |
we need custom loading screens |
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benrob0329 |
for servers/subgames |
| 20:31 |
benrob0329 |
Gmod has them, and they look amazing |
| 20:34 |
Fixer |
+1 |
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tenplus1 |
nite folks |
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Fixer |
benrob0329: great idea, write a feature request on github |
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benrob0329 |
Fixer: i shall, but not right this sec |
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Fixer |
ＣＹＢＥＲＳＣＡＮＩＡ |
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Fixer |
ＣＹＢＥＲＳＣＡＮＤＩＮＡＶＩＡＮ ^^ |
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CWz |
Goodnight everyone one |
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Fixer |
rubenwardy: you here? |
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red-001 |
[rubenwardy] idle 00:54:37 |
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red-001 |
maybe |
| 21:30 |
Fixer |
"Welcome to 2017, getting 64kbps on 4G LTE network is completely normal." |
| 21:30 |
Fixer |
this is not normal |
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Sokomine |
Fixer: if you've used up the small amount that comes with the contract, it's completely normal. at least in germany. we're wary backwards in that direction. might even be much slower |
| 21:44 |
garywhite |
Fixer: At least you have 4G LTE data, my cell plan has 0 data & only 30 minutes or 30 texts |
| 21:53 |
Shara |
I don't own a smart phone at least... just a really ancient thing :) |
| 21:54 |
Shara |
Most people think I am crazy for not wanting one. |
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rubenwardy |
Fixer, am now |
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kaeza |
are you rubenwardy, or are you now? |
| 22:02 |
Wayward_One |
no, now was just here |
| 22:02 |
Wayward_One |
but now is no longer here |
| 22:03 |
Wayward_One |
totally unrelated: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6Yw24gzwT0&list=PLC9BOvKKcAJ_InlP7OVU8H-T1ZtYVJ7P4&index=9 |
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Wayward_One |
!title |
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ShadowBot |
Wayward_One: Error: That URL appears to have no HTML title within the first 4KB. |
| 22:03 |
Wayward_One |
meh |
| 22:04 |
Wayward_One |
^ Sevendust- Here And Now :3 |
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* VanessaE |
pokes Shara |
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VanessaE |
actually nevermind |
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* VanessaE |
withdraws the poke |
| 22:15 |
VanessaE |
Shara: I got éclairs :) and here's the photo I mentioned, of the place http://imgur.com/V4qx0UP |
| 22:17 |
garywhite |
If that were in California, there would be a sign saying "Warning: This store contains products known to the State to cause cancer, birth defects, & other reproductive harm." |
| 22:18 |
VanessaE |
heh |
| 22:18 |
VanessaE |
they'd probably put that on bottled water, too |
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nore |
garywhite: so true, I see those signs everywhere here |
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garywhite |
nore: Do you live in California, or are we not the only ones who have it |
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nore |
garywhite: I'm just in California currently, I do not live here however |
| 22:21 |
nore |
and I was quite surprised by those signs :) |
| 22:21 |
garywhite |
Yeah, we were saying earlier that it seems the only thing that doesn't have it is the air |
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VanessaE |
bbl |
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IhrFussel |
I have a question: Is there ACTUALLY ANY evidence that "angelo1123_" attacked a certain darklands server with some modified client?? To me it sounds like server owners just ban him without having any proof |
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* Fixer |
.oO(282. 猫 ã‚· Corp. - SECRETS OF MY AGE [with ãƒãƒ¼ãƒžãƒ³Roman] [3:07]) |
| 22:51 |
IhrFussel |
To me even the IDEA of banning someone for doing something on an ENTIRELY different server is absurd...you should ban players if they break rules on YOUR server and not if they do stuff on others |
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red-001 |
oh not this again |
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* Fixer |
all the fuzz |
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VaultyTowers |
added a GPU finally |
| 22:52 |
red-001 |
VaultyTowers, you sure have a lot of nicks |
| 22:52 |
VaultyTowers |
yup |
| 22:53 |
VaultyTowers |
I added an AMD Radeon II to a 32-Bit motherboard lol |
| 22:53 |
VaultyTowers |
seems to be working so no complaints |
| 22:53 |
Shara |
IhrFussel: What are you talking about? |
| 22:53 |
red-001 |
IhrFussel, huh are you responding in the right channel? |
| 22:53 |
red-001 |
I don't see any talk of banning here |
| 22:53 |
Shara |
Darklands is MY server, and I don't even know who angelo1123_ is. |
| 22:54 |
Shara |
I certainly don't ban people based on what I've heard they did elsewhere either. |
| 22:54 |
Fixer |
VaultyTowers: wat? |
| 22:55 |
Fixer |
radeon ii on 32bit motherboard? o_0 |
| 22:55 |
Shara |
As for whether or not someone has been launching attacks on DL, the answer is yes, they have. |
| 22:55 |
VaultyTowers |
Shara, he has a history in Skyblocks and captains corners that got him banned there too |
| 22:55 |
VaultyTowers |
ust sayin :P |
| 22:56 |
Shara |
VaultyTowers: Whoever has been hitting DL is switching IP address. |
| 22:56 |
VaultyTowers |
Fixer, yup |
| 22:56 |
red-001 |
here you dropped this "J" |
| 22:56 |
VaultyTowers |
dont ask me how but |
| 22:56 |
Shara |
And changing names. |
| 22:56 |
IhrFussel |
Shara, the ban talk is not about your server...it's about another server that banned him for "hearsay" it seems cause people told me the reason for the ban was because angelo attacked YOUR server with a modified client and caused trouble |
| 22:56 |
Shara |
So I certainly haven't made any claim about it being a certain person |
| 22:56 |
VaultyTowers |
I wish I could replace my celeron processor with an Antheon II |
| 22:57 |
Shara |
IhrFussel: I can't really say much without knowing which other server is involved. There are some servers that will mirror my bans, because I'm also on the team. |
| 22:57 |
VaultyTowers |
Shara, I'll give you 2 |
| 22:57 |
VaultyTowers |
Skyblocks and Captains corners |
| 22:57 |
Shara |
But in this case, I find it hard to believe someone else banned a person who's name I don't even know due to my server. |
| 22:57 |
VaultyTowers |
but not because of your server |
| 22:58 |
paramat |
i feel server admin (gods of their universes) can do what they want, even if that means banning due to bad behaviour elsewhere :] |
| 22:58 |
Fixer |
VaultyTowers: athlon II? |
| 22:58 |
IhrFussel |
Shara, the question is has there recently been a player who *attacked* your server with such a modified client (even though I'm not sure how you can "attack" a server with a Minetest client no matter how much code you change) |
| 22:58 |
VaultyTowers |
Fixer, yes |
| 22:59 |
Shara |
IhrFussel: My moderator team has reported a player who is able to kill via command, among other things. I haven't witnessed it myself, but I have seen them quickly switch IP address multiple times to get back on after being banned. |
| 22:59 |
Shara |
They also boasted they have a hacked client, and have flooded out at least one IRC channel. |
| 23:00 |
IhrFussel |
paramat, and THAT is wrong IMO...a server owner is not a god...there should be rules even the server owner HAS TO follow...a server owner is just a regular human being and not better than the others |
| 23:00 |
Shara |
The xban/db file also got wiped after another player (don't knwo if connected) claimed he could get back on after a ban |
| 23:00 |
nore |
IhrFussel: a server owner is not a god, but it's still *their* server, so in what concerns their server, they do as they want |
| 23:00 |
IhrFussel |
But *some* server owners seem to abuse their powers of having an own "world" which is disgusting |
| 23:01 |
VaultyTowers |
Shara, xban is broken |
| 23:01 |
Shara |
Tenplus1 confirmed that same player was on Xanadua and was able to delete blocks players shouldn't be able to remove. |
| 23:01 |
red-001 |
huh I wonder is this a new exploit |
| 23:01 |
Shara |
VaultyTowers: Clearly something is. I'm just providing what details I do have. |
| 23:01 |
VaultyTowers |
we have to /ban players and its not effective due to dynamic IPs |
| 23:01 |
red-001 |
or if they set this up during the previous exploit |
| 23:01 |
nore |
IhrFussel: hosting a server is a service given to the community, you can't force server owners to do anything, and shouldn't |
| 23:02 |
VaultyTowers |
Shara, we know this after many players returning in skyblocks |
| 23:02 |
paramat |
there are no rules for server admin, they do as they please, if they are unreasonable players will leave |
| 23:02 |
Shara |
VaultyTowers: I'm well aware. |
| 23:02 |
red-001 |
so what servers have been affected? |
| 23:02 |
red-001 |
do they share any mods of interst? |
| 23:02 |
nore |
IhrFussel: and if players disagree with the owner, they just shouldn't play |
| 23:03 |
IhrFussel |
nore, server owners should accept critique, they should see their own mistakes, they should NOT feel innocent and invincible...but many of them do |
| 23:03 |
Shara |
The people using this supposed client on DL were calling it the Permutation client. |
| 23:03 |
Fixer |
IhrFussel: i usually don't play on server with abusive admins, best example is xanadu (unfortunately) |
| 23:03 |
nore |
IhrFussel: they should listen to critique, yes, but they should rule their server as they want |
| 23:03 |
red-001 |
Permutation eh? |
| 23:04 |
nore |
if people don't like it, they don't play |
| 23:04 |
Shara |
IhrFussel: My approach to admining my servers is I make my rules, as I want them, then I follow them too. |
| 23:04 |
IhrFussel |
nore, that doesn't change the fact that some server rules may violate human rights...for example |
| 23:04 |
red-001 |
well time to see if there is anything about that on the usually forums |
| 23:04 |
nore |
IhrFussel: ehm what? |
| 23:04 |
nore |
give me an example |
| 23:05 |
nore |
a single example will do |
| 23:05 |
Shara |
I don't set rules I am not happy to follow myself. |
| 23:05 |
nore |
because I don't think there is any |
| 23:05 |
* VaultyTowers |
found a Geforce 2 MX |
| 23:05 |
VaultyTowers |
ancient piece of shit |
| 23:06 |
Sokomine |
most server owners are very reasonable people and do a very good job. some may be inexperienced with running a server, but those are not present on this channel |
| 23:06 |
Fixer |
VaultyTowers: had GF2mx ;) |
| 23:06 |
VaultyTowers |
it sux |
| 23:06 |
Fixer |
played on it |
| 23:06 |
VaultyTowers |
now afk |
| 23:07 |
Fixer |
when updated to AGP 4x, speed increase was noticeable |
| 23:07 |
paramat |
well yeah there is the law of course |
| 23:07 |
VaultyTowers |
oh btw this radeon is making a big diff |
| 23:08 |
nore |
IhrFussel: actually, I don't see *how* a server rule could violate human rights |
| 23:08 |
IhrFussel |
nore, Freedom of speech ... if the admin doesn't let you talk about the things YOU want (without inappropriate language/topics) it's violating human rights |
| 23:08 |
nore |
IhrFussel: no. |
| 23:08 |
Shara |
IhrFussel: Actually no. |
| 23:09 |
nore |
https://xkcd.com/1357/ |
| 23:09 |
IhrFussel |
To not be allowed to ARGUE with admins/moderators is against human rights |
| 23:09 |
kaeza |
being on a server is a privilege, not a right |
| 23:09 |
nore |
this explains the thing very well ^ |
| 23:09 |
Shara |
IhrFussel: I don't run a server so people can claim they have a right to argue with me. |
| 23:09 |
IhrFussel |
Oh so you think human rights don't apply to servers |
| 23:09 |
nore |
IhrFussel: read what I said. |
| 23:10 |
Shara |
Check nore's link really. |
| 23:10 |
Sokomine |
IhrFussel: that's...tricky. inappropriate language/topics may be diffrent depending on circumstances (i.e. country) |
| 23:10 |
red-001 |
common misconception, freenode of speach applies to goverment not people or companies |
| 23:10 |
IhrFussel |
Shara, what if you are WRONG with a decision? You don't let people argue with you? You don't give them the chance to SHOW you what YOU did wrong? You think you do EVERYTHING right? That is extremely ignorant and arrogant at the same time |
| 23:11 |
Shara |
IhrFussel: I let them speak POLITELY to me. |
| 23:11 |
Shara |
I do not let them yell or scream and attack me. |
| 23:11 |
paramat |
i am not defending bad server admin behaviour, just disagree with: "there should be rules even the server owner HAS TO follow" as long as they are within the law |
| 23:11 |
nore |
IhrFussel: TL;DR: the government can't arrest you for what you say, but that doesn't mean anyone else has to listen to it, etc |
| 23:11 |
nore |
paramat: exactly |
| 23:11 |
Shara |
IhrFussel: Do you have issues with how I run my servers? |
| 23:11 |
IhrFussel |
Shara, since when is arguing screaming or bad language? |
| 23:12 |
Shara |
Because I;m not really sure what this is about. |
| 23:12 |
Sokomine |
IhrFussel: it's rarely a problem. even if the server has a rule about not arguing with admins/mods those ought to be open to discussion if someone talks to them reasonable. and most will. if they don't...there is in the end no other way than to choose a better server |
| 23:12 |
paramat |
"To not be allowed to ARGUE with admins/moderators is against human rights" hehe nonsense |
| 23:13 |
Shara |
IhrFussel: Most "arguments" I ever had on a server were kids telling me they don't need to follow server rules. |
| 23:13 |
IhrFussel |
I'm simply saying server owners should feel like regular players but with more responsibility...they shouldn't feel like some kind of king who owns EVERYTHING ... at least this is what I act like on my server and my players seem to like my non-harsh view |
| 23:13 |
Shara |
IhrFussel: Again, are you saying you have a problem with how I run my servers? |
| 23:14 |
Fixer |
depends on admin |
| 23:14 |
IhrFussel |
Shara, no this wasn't about your server or any other particular server...it was just a general rant about how some owners act wrong IMO |
| 23:14 |
Fixer |
some admins are hitler like, some - help a lot, some - neutral |
| 23:15 |
Sokomine |
IhrFussel: yes. and that's what we here expect and try to do anyway :-) still, a server owner might loose patience if the 100sth griefer comes along. they're humans after all |
| 23:15 |
Shara |
It's just that mine is the only server you've named. |
| 23:15 |
Sokomine |
Fixer: er...maybe that's a comparison that goes a bit too far |
| 23:15 |
Fixer |
Sokomine: dictator-like admins* |
| 23:16 |
red-001 |
Reductio ad Hitlerum? |
| 23:16 |
Sokomine |
no, godwins law |
| 23:16 |
IhrFussel |
I named your server cause some people said a player named "angelo" attacked your server and that's why he is banned there too...but if there NEVER was an attack/or no evidence the ban seems pointless to me and the admin who banned is an a** |
| 23:16 |
Fixer |
also, "helpers" can be funny too |
| 23:17 |
Shara |
I'm the first to agree there are some terrible server owners, but I go out of my way to be fair. |
| 23:17 |
red-001 |
well some sever owners act like a dictator, dictators act like dictator, therefore dictator where server owners |
| 23:17 |
Shara |
IhrFussel: My server has been attacked badly enough that I've now prevented any players from joining. I did not want to do this, but my admin team is threatening to quit. |
| 23:17 |
Sokomine |
Fixer: admins have a hard life :-) |
| 23:17 |
red-001 |
I must have commited at least a ten logical fallacies there |
| 23:18 |
Shara |
I can't tell you if this angelo person is the attacker or not. But there definitely have been attacks. |
| 23:18 |
Fixer |
i've seen scene where admin helper was arguing with player about replanting melons or smth, it was funny |
| 23:18 |
Shara |
AFK a bit. |
| 23:18 |
Fixer |
it is like REPLANT THE FUCKING MELONS!!!!!!!!1111 |
| 23:18 |
Fixer |
i'm adding to it extra drama |
| 23:19 |
Fixer |
REPLANT OR DIE |
| 23:19 |
Fixer |
best slogan for anarchy server |
| 23:19 |
paramat |
IhrF so if i leave this IRC channel and refuse to listen to your arguments, i am then violating your human rights and will be arrested? nah i'm just refusing to argue with someone :] |
| 23:19 |
red-001 |
"BY THE AUTHORITY GRANTED TO ME BY THE SERVER OWNER I COMMAND YOU TO REPLANT MELONS!" |
| 23:19 |
Sokomine |
well, on a public farm...if a player just takes and doesn't replant...it might be that the new player is either too inexperienced and needs help in controlling his client - or that the player doesn't care and might not fit to the server |
| 23:19 |
Fixer |
red-001: lol, yes |
| 23:20 |
Fixer |
Sokomine: or admin helper can replant some later anyway |
| 23:20 |
Fixer |
it is not like end of the world |
| 23:21 |
Sokomine |
Fixer: that's not the issue...but a player who doesn't care about such things may do other things (i.e. cutting trees halfway, leaving nerdpoles, destroying the landscape) that are undesirable on some servers |
| 23:21 |
Fixer |
Sokomine: now, thats why admins became Hitler |
| 23:21 |
Fixer |
especially admins with OCD |
| 23:22 |
red-001 |
"FAILURE TO COMPLY WITH THIS DEMAND WILL RESULT IN TERMINATION" |
| 23:22 |
Sokomine |
that comparison is still unfitting |
| 23:23 |
Fixer |
Sokomine: 90% of players are on mobile, and I'm sure 99% of them are kids, that will cutting trees halfway, leaving nerdpoles, destroying the landscape, building wooden boxes in the middle of the fucking river |
| 23:23 |
Sokomine |
i see admins more as hosts of a party. the host might not be terribly exited if you jump around on his bed or pour drinks on the floor :-) on the other side if the host misbehaves the guests are likely not to come back again and leave rather fast :-) |
| 23:24 |
Fixer |
so in the end you want to get rid of the kids :} |
| 23:24 |
Fixer |
get of my lawn |
| 23:24 |
Fixer |
(tm) |
| 23:24 |
Sokomine |
hmm. on some places :-) |
| 23:24 |
Sokomine |
they can jump happily around on the lawn :-) but on servers where building and keeping the landscape are important those kids might not be at the right place |
| 23:25 |
Sokomine |
players with mobile clients certainly have a much harder time with getting around |
| 23:26 |
Fixer |
actually |
| 23:27 |
Fixer |
it is possible to devide the world: one part for usual mess and another for pro players |
| 23:27 |
VaultyTowers |
^ hubs |
| 23:27 |
Fixer |
if without PVP |
| 23:28 |
Fixer |
VaultyTowers: hubs + multiple realms on same world |
| 23:28 |
Fixer |
kids are happy, pros are happy |
| 23:28 |
VaultyTowers |
if someone comes out with an actual RPG (as in millions of dungeons and loot) server I will totally play it |
| 23:35 |
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| 23:36 |
Fixer |
devide = divide |
| 23:38 |
IhrFussel |
Fixer, PvP can be pos based...my server is marked as "pvp enabled" but as soon as you try to punch someone outside of the arena you get an error message |
| 23:38 |
Fixer |
IhrFussel: i love this part of minetest |
| 23:38 |
Fixer |
you can define pvp areas and such |
| 23:39 |
Shara |
Back again |
| 23:39 |
IhrFussel |
I defined a Lucky Block Area, a PvP Area...even a parkour area that automatically disables fly/fast to prevent cheating |
| 23:40 |
Shara |
To be honest, I don't think there is anything wrong with saying a server isn't for kids in some cases. Kids certainly are not the focus on my creative server. |
| 23:40 |
Shara |
On the other hand, if they do follow the rules, I don't care what age they are. |
| 23:40 |
Shara |
But I happen to want a server that is mostly for mroe serious building. |
| 23:40 |
Shara |
more* |
| 23:42 |
Fixer |
Shara: what I envision: if we have realms in engine/game, just make some realms: 1) survival with kid ghetto 2) pro realm with ladies and gentlemen |
| 23:42 |
Shara |
Fixer: Sure, but if I as an admin have no interest in running option 1 there, why should I? |
| 23:43 |
Shara |
I have quite limtied resources, bothin terms of my server and my time. |
| 23:43 |
Fixer |
Shara: not talking about you |
| 23:43 |
Fixer |
just brainstorming |
| 23:43 |
Shara |
I know, but just saying in general. |
| 23:43 |
Shara |
People are going to run what they are interested in running. |
| 23:43 |
Fixer |
1) survival with kid ghetto 2) pro realm with ladies and gentlemen (whitelisted) 3) creative |
| 23:43 |
Fixer |
Shara: yes |
| 23:44 |
red-001 |
"kid ghetto" |
| 23:44 |
Shara |
But it's also why it's good when groups of servers work together. |
| 23:44 |
red-001 |
thats one way to describe that area on a lot of servers |
| 23:44 |
Shara |
I redirect kids who aren't really a good fit on my server to TPS when I can. |
| 23:45 |
Shara |
Since I also admin there, but the server targets a different audience. |
| 23:45 |
red-001 |
just outside of spawn zone, but not too far |
| 23:47 |
Fixer |
Shara: in my dirty mind right now: on login to server ask new player: 1) tap this button to join => goes to kid ghetto 2) Glorious PC user: press Scrl+Lock + random button => goes to really good heaven like realm ^_^ |
| 23:47 |
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| 23:47 |
Shara |
Fixer: You are still trusting them to click the right thing for them :) |
| 23:47 |
benrob0329-latop |
Why not a hub world? |
| 23:48 |
Fixer |
red-001: depends on spawn, some spawns are ruins to begin with %) |
| 23:48 |
Fixer |
Shara: good luck finding ScrlLock on phone |
| 23:48 |
Shara |
Huh? |
| 23:48 |
Fixer |
Shara: ScrlLock + Num . |
| 23:48 |
Fixer |
.________. |
| 23:48 |
Fixer |
fatality |
| 23:48 |
benrob0329-latop |
Keyboard |
| 23:49 |
Shara |
Why would I need that? |
| 23:49 |
Fixer |
if kid has phone with keyboard => unusual advanced kid |
| 23:49 |
Shara |
Oh. |
| 23:49 |
Fixer |
android software keyboard is shitty iirc |
| 23:49 |
Shara |
Well, I wouldn't want to just block all phone users |
| 23:49 |
Fixer |
you need to install 3rd party one |
| 23:50 |
Shara |
One of the most capable builders I've known plays from a phone. |
| 23:50 |
Fixer |
Shara: just separate them in different realms |
| 23:50 |
Fixer |
also |
| 23:50 |
red-001 |
I don't think I have scrollock anymore |
| 23:50 |
red-001 |
lost a key from my keyboard when cleaning it |
| 23:50 |
Fixer |
PC glorious user can descend to kidhood and commit kid genocide |
| 23:50 |
Fixer |
PvP |
| 23:50 |
red-001 |
so I just re-used scrollock |
| 23:51 |
Shara |
I just don't see the need to do that really. |
| 23:51 |
Shara |
It might be nicer for someone who wants to cater for every kind of player going and can afford to/has time to |
| 23:51 |
Fixer |
PC user is too good with mouse and keyboard |
| 23:52 |
Shara |
But I'm happy to just have a couple of servers that are doing okay. |
| 23:52 |
Fixer |
it does make sence companies separate console and PC matches |
| 23:52 |
Fixer |
Shara: you are welcome :} |
| 23:53 |
Shara |
Removing phone users from my main world would mean dead server. |
| 23:53 |
Fixer |
Shara: discussion was not about you |
| 23:53 |
Fixer |
eh, too bad I can't host |
| 23:53 |
Fixer |
Shara: yep |
| 23:53 |
red-001 |
http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/508/690/0d8.jpg |
| 23:53 |
Shara |
Fixer: Does that mean I can't share thoughts? :) |
| 23:53 |
* VanessaE |
wanders back in |
| 23:53 |
Fixer |
red-001: over 9000 |
| 23:53 |
Shara |
Hi VanessaE |
| 23:53 |
VanessaE |
Shara: https://imgur.com/gallery/BtrQK |
| 23:54 |
Shara |
VanessaE: Give me five minutes there. It will then have nice empty shelves :) |
| 23:54 |
VanessaE |
lol |
| 23:54 |
* VanessaE |
waves an éclair at Shara ;) |
| 23:54 |
Shara |
Ekk! |
| 23:54 |
* Shara |
tries to grab |
| 23:54 |
Fixer |
VanessaE: that furniture.. |
| 23:55 |
VanessaE |
Shara: look over there on the right, the black freezer case with the pies on top. |
| 23:55 |
Shara |
Want... |
| 23:55 |
VanessaE |
see that lower shelf? second tray from the right, with the dark frosting. éclairs :D |
| 23:55 |
VanessaE |
s/freezer/refrigerator/ |
| 23:55 |
Shara |
>.> |
| 23:56 |
Fixer |
red-001: 4K @ 60FPS (c) |
| 23:56 |
* Shara |
sighs |
| 23:56 |
Shara |
VanessaE: Why did you have to learn my only true weakness so soon? :( |
| 23:56 |
VanessaE |
muahahahaha |
| 23:56 |
VanessaE |
>:-) |
| 23:56 |
Shara |
Evil mastermind eclair ninja! |
| 23:56 |
VanessaE |
just wait till next time I visit that chocolatier here in town ;) |
| 23:58 |
* Shara |
is doomed |
| 23:59 |
VanessaE |
heh |
| 23:59 |
VanessaE |
that's it, you're just gonna have to charter a plane and come visit :) |
