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benrob0329 |
http://imgur.com/a/SSNFy |
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Jordach |
http://i.imgur.com/P4LHSEa.jpg |
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red-005 |
looks like that minetesthosting.com issues isn't just one server |
| 06:49 |
red-005 |
s/issues/issue |
| 07:14 |
VanessaE |
red-005: which issue? |
| 07:14 |
red-005 |
the server saying you have an unoffical version of minetest when you try to connect |
| 07:14 |
VanessaE |
right |
| 07:15 |
VanessaE |
who runs that service? |
| 07:15 |
* red-005 |
doesn't know |
| 07:17 |
Zeno` |
can I have voice? |
| 07:17 |
Zeno` |
err nvm |
| 07:17 |
Zeno` |
someone put whiteout on my monitor and I couldn't see |
| 07:20 |
CWz |
hey Zeno`, VanessaE and others |
| 07:21 |
red-005 |
hi CWz |
| 07:30 |
VanessaE |
morning CWz, Zeno` |
| 07:34 |
CWz |
that the build on minetest.org |
| 07:55 |
CWz |
dang my bannaland server is going crazy as i though it would |
| 07:55 |
CWz |
well back in the days of 0.4.9 it would have. *drowns his sorrows* |
| 07:56 |
CWz |
200+ server nowadays and not enough players go play them all |
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VanessaE |
red-005: ask mransom :) |
| 12:15 |
Jordach |
that;s a bad name to use for a site now, isn't it |
| 12:15 |
red-005 |
Jordach, it's a prefectly good name |
| 12:17 |
CWz |
uh did i meiss anything |
| 12:18 |
red-005 |
just like maf.ai would be a good domain name for a company selling mass flow sensors in Anguilla |
| 12:20 |
red-005 |
so who is mransom? |
| 12:21 |
mransom |
good morning, everyone, I'm Mark Ransom, I run minetesthosting.com |
| 12:21 |
red-005 |
oh ok |
| 12:22 |
red-005 |
mransom, have you heard about the security exploit in worldedit? |
| 12:23 |
VanessaE |
we discussed it |
| 12:23 |
mransom |
yes |
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| 12:33 |
red-005 |
anyway why do some of the servers block connections and display that message? |
| 12:34 |
nerzhul |
which message ? |
| 12:35 |
red-005 |
the one that some minetesthosting servers display about using an unoffical client |
| 12:36 |
nerzhul |
oh |
| 12:38 |
mransom |
red-005: it looks like someone used the exploit in worldedit_gui to register that message when users join |
| 12:38 |
mransom |
I've removed it now, but it was only affecting worlds using a specific mod |
| 12:38 |
mransom |
needless to say, I've got some work to do |
| 12:38 |
red-005 |
huh I wonder who carried that out |
| 12:39 |
mransom |
I've resolved that specific issue, I believe, but the fact that I've been compromised to that degree is quite upsetting |
| 12:43 |
red-005 |
mransom, if you are not using mod security you might want to check if they made any other modifications to the system |
| 12:46 |
mransom |
yeah, I thought I was using mod security, red-005, but I've definitely got some work to do |
| 12:47 |
mransom |
I probably need to start over, if this box appears to have been compromised |
| 12:48 |
VanessaE |
that's what I would do |
| 12:48 |
VanessaE |
save the worldmaps, auth.txt, bans lists and so on, throw everything else away and start from scratch |
| 12:48 |
Fixer |
inspect auth.txt |
| 12:48 |
VanessaE |
that too |
| 12:54 |
Fixer |
and ban list for new entries |
| 12:55 |
red-005 |
Review Everythingâ„¢ |
| 12:56 |
VanessaE |
REVIEW ALL THE THINGS! "\:D/ |
| 12:57 |
Fixer |
red-005: had no crashes yet with your patch |
| 12:57 |
VanessaE |
on my servers, the mods are managed from my PC, so if something is compromised server-side, I can restore the clean copy in a couple minutes |
| 12:57 |
VanessaE |
(including addressing the vulnerability, of course) |
| 12:57 |
red-005 |
Fixer, how often do you get crashes without it? |
| 12:57 |
nerzhul |
Challenge everything ? |
| 12:58 |
red-005 |
huh maybe you could run one client without it and another with it? |
| 12:58 |
Fixer |
red-005: depends on that chinese guy %) could have it fast, or not for days |
| 12:59 |
red-005 |
well my change was mostly a blind guess |
| 12:59 |
Fixer |
red-005: please post a PR with that patch, so more people can review it, it will take a loooooooooot of time to really confirm it, like week or two |
| 13:00 |
red-005 |
it's the same change that is needed to stop minetest from being crashed by unicode in the settings file |
| 13:01 |
nerzhul |
we permit Lua to do many things it's time to stop and do things decided by core, not because we can do what we want becaues it's just a mod lolz |
| 13:03 |
Fixer |
red-005: it took me like 40 hours to catch crash under gdb... |
| 13:08 |
Fixer |
or 50 |
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| 14:00 |
Fixer |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDZh2F18waI maximum gay |
| 14:02 |
Fixer |
send this to Krock to |
| 14:02 |
Fixer |
o |
| 14:03 |
benrob0329 |
RobbieF: mind if I make a meme video with some bits from TPS? |
| 14:04 |
RobbieF |
from our show? |
| 14:04 |
RobbieF |
or are you referring to our servers? |
| 14:05 |
benrob0329 |
it'd credit you guys ofc, and id be willing to license it differently from my normal videos |
| 14:05 |
benrob0329 |
Show |
| 14:05 |
benrob0329 |
Not a YTP, if that helps :-) |
| 14:05 |
RobbieF |
Yeah sure, as long as it is family friendly. This may help: http://category5.tv/feed/thepixelshadow/hd/ |
| 14:05 |
benrob0329 |
It will be |
| 14:06 |
RobbieF |
Please credit "The Pixel Shadow from the Category5 TV Network - minetest.tv" or something along those lines |
| 14:06 |
benrob0329 |
Will do |
| 14:06 |
benrob0329 |
What license would you prefer? |
| 14:07 |
RobbieF |
The license is in the feed I sent you above |
| 14:07 |
benrob0329 |
ah |
| 14:07 |
RobbieF |
This work is licensed under a Creative Commons License - Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike - http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/3.0/ |
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| 14:08 |
RobbieF |
Under the license, I give you permission to monetize the derivative work, royalty free, including assets and music. If you get hit with a copyright claim, just let me know and we'll provide you with the needed text. |
| 14:09 |
RobbieF |
^^ so long as the derivative work is sufficiently different in its overall presentation than the source material, of course. Can't just repost our video :D |
| 14:09 |
benrob0329 |
Thanks :-) I don't have an AdSense account yet though XD |
| 14:09 |
RobbieF |
Poor you benrob0329. |
| 14:09 |
RobbieF |
you should make that your priority. |
| 14:10 |
RobbieF |
why throw away money? |
| 14:10 |
benrob0329 |
The 3¢ wouldn't be worth it at this point |
| 14:10 |
RobbieF |
we all start at 3c. |
| 14:10 |
benrob0329 |
But I probably should...ill add that to the list |
| 14:10 |
RobbieF |
:D |
| 14:10 |
benrob0329 |
The very long list |
| 14:11 |
RobbieF |
meh, put it at the top |
| 14:11 |
RobbieF |
I kicked myself when I started making video: didn't have adsense setup and one of my videos went viral. |
| 14:11 |
RobbieF |
Lost hundreds in revenue |
| 14:12 |
benrob0329 |
Aw, yeah that's probably good to setup |
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| 14:20 |
CWz |
hey RobbieF did you update your worldedit |
| 14:20 |
CWz |
recently |
| 14:21 |
RobbieF |
of course :D |
| 14:21 |
CWz |
good job! |
| 14:21 |
RobbieF |
thanks for watching out for us CWz |
| 14:21 |
CWz |
no damage right? |
| 14:22 |
RobbieF |
no. |
| 14:22 |
RobbieF |
but yes, right. |
| 14:34 |
Jordach |
RobbieF, reminder that i've got the best rigs in this community |
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| 14:35 |
Jordach |
with Blender specifically |
| 14:36 |
benrob0329 |
With latest opencl improvements |
| 14:36 |
Jordach |
benrob0329, rendered on CPU |
| 14:36 |
Jordach |
http://i.imgur.com/V4gEiM1.png |
| 14:36 |
benrob0329 |
I don't remember my score...I should redo it |
| 14:37 |
benrob0329 |
Nice |
| 14:37 |
* Jordach |
loads render kernels |
| 14:38 |
Jordach |
>may take a few minutes |
| 14:52 |
RobbieF |
Jordach what do you mean re. best rigs in community? |
| 14:52 |
Jordach |
RobbieF, a set of templates i made about 2 years ago |
| 14:53 |
Jordach |
since i got bored and intergrated PBR into the mix |
| 14:54 |
RobbieF |
LOL I'm completely lost. No idea what you're talking about or why you pinged me :D |
| 14:54 |
RobbieF |
maybe I missed something. |
| 14:55 |
Jordach |
http://i.imgur.com/H3dgoDm.png ; http://i.imgur.com/6zykVm8.png |
| 14:56 |
RobbieF |
That's awesome, but what has it to do with me (you pinged me) |
| 14:56 |
RobbieF |
just showing me? |
| 14:57 |
Jordach |
might be able to give you a hand with specific blender tool |
| 14:57 |
Jordach |
s |
| 14:57 |
RobbieF |
what do I have to do with Blender? |
| 14:58 |
Jordach |
you might find them useful for thumbnails |
| 15:01 |
RobbieF |
oh, for the show? |
| 15:01 |
RobbieF |
That's a neat idea, thanks! |
| 15:02 |
RobbieF |
I'm no Blender pro, that's for sure. |
| 15:02 |
RobbieF |
Easy to do? |
| 15:02 |
RobbieF |
Jordach please email me at robbie category5.tv - will credit you as well. Thanks. |
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Jordach |
RobbieF, the template iirc is CC0 |
| 15:03 |
RobbieF |
mind emailing it? |
| 15:03 |
Jordach |
one of them is modified to fit bastard textures |
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| 15:45 |
DS-minetest |
hi |
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* DS-minetest |
has an idea how to differ worlds client side |
| 16:01 |
DS-minetest |
the client gives to the server on first join a number that will be saved in player file server side, this number is counted up after that client side (starting at 0). |
| 16:01 |
DS-minetest |
the client can now get this number with a csm |
| 16:02 |
DS-minetest |
=> the player will have keys for server worlds |
| 16:02 |
DS-minetest |
the number won't be the same for each player |
| 16:03 |
DS-minetest |
(an unsigned int with a maximum of 2^16 would be enough) |
| 16:04 |
DS-minetest |
do you understand what i mean? |
| 16:05 |
DS-minetest |
and if yes, what do you think about that idea? |
| 16:05 |
VanessaE |
depends what you seek to accomplish with this magic number |
| 16:06 |
DS-minetest |
give ids to worlds |
| 16:06 |
DS-minetest |
for client |
| 16:06 |
DS-minetest |
for csm |
| 16:06 |
VanessaE |
nah |
| 16:06 |
VanessaE |
just hash the domain (or IP) + port |
| 16:06 |
VanessaE |
use that as a unique identifier for the server |
| 16:07 |
DS-minetest |
what if this ip or port changes but the same map is used? |
| 16:07 |
kaeza |
it works for browsers, doesn't it? |
| 16:07 |
DS-minetest |
we need an id for the world and that would perhaps work |
| 16:07 |
VanessaE |
then the client initiates a challenge-response to negotiate a new key? |
| 16:08 |
Calinou |
<Calinou> I managed to backport Sauerbraten SVN to be compatible with Collect Edition (stable servers) |
| 16:08 |
Calinou |
<Calinou> so you get SDL 2 and many fixes (including security ones) |
| 16:08 |
Calinou |
<Calinou> I'll put that on GitHub as a base (no other modifications will be done), then work on a simple client mod to add a few things and improve defaults |
| 16:08 |
Calinou |
(crossposting from another channel) |
| 16:08 |
Calinou |
if anyone plays Sauerbraten ^ |
| 16:09 |
VanessaE |
client: "Hey, I have 12345 for you" Server: "fuck off, I don't use that now" Client: "I can haz new key 45678? that looks like you now" Server: "sure, okay." |
| 16:09 |
DS-minetest |
huh? |
| 16:10 |
VanessaE |
DS-minetest: nevermind, just kinda jabbering |
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| 16:26 |
red-001 |
isn't [off] for off-topic? |
| 16:26 |
VanessaE |
no |
| 16:26 |
VanessaE |
it's for off-the-record, keeps the chat out of the log |
| 16:26 |
benrob0329 |
you will know how your system goes together, but there will be a learning curve |
| 16:26 |
benrob0329 |
But its worth it imho |
| 16:27 |
benrob0329 |
Before this, I couldnt even think.of compiling my own kernel, now its not even remotely daunting |
| 16:28 |
VanessaE |
that's the one part that's standing in my way |
| 16:28 |
VanessaE |
I haven't compiled my own kernel in like 10 years |
| 16:28 |
benrob0329 |
its easy |
| 16:28 |
benrob0329 |
You have a nice menu to select options |
| 16:29 |
benrob0329 |
And then you make && make modules_install |
| 16:29 |
benrob0329 |
make install |
| 16:30 |
benrob0329 |
And run the grub makeconfig command (easily copied from the wiki) if you upgraded your kernel |
| 16:31 |
benrob0329 |
you don't even need an initramfs if usr and var are in the same partition |
| 16:37 |
benrob0329 |
VanessaE: do it, if nothing else you'll learn a lot by installing it. |
| 16:37 |
Calinou |
neither systemd nor PulseAudio have been issues to me on Debian testing/Fedora/Ubuntu/Manjaro/Antergos |
| 16:37 |
Calinou |
so, I don't care |
| 16:37 |
Calinou |
I favor distros that use systemd (ie. most of them) because service files and systemd-nspawn are too good to miss |
| 16:38 |
benrob0329 |
I wouldn't mind systemd, of everything didn't want to depend on it all of the sudden |
| 16:38 |
benrob0329 |
I like modular components, it makes things easier to swap out |
| 16:47 |
VanessaE |
benrob0329: there IS one thing pulse is good for - it can turn the volume up over 100% (I guess it amplifies?). can regular old ALSA do that? |
| 16:47 |
VanessaE |
(it's useful for online videos. people seem to have an aversion to normalizing to -3dB |
| 16:47 |
VanessaE |
) |
| 16:49 |
benrob0329 |
VanessaE: I use Pulse, as I have multiple audio cards and that can be painful to manage with just alsa |
| 16:49 |
Calinou |
few programs actually depend on systemd, even Flatpak removed its systemd dependency last year |
| 16:50 |
benrob0329 |
Except Logind, udev, Gnome, etc etc |
| 16:50 |
benrob0329 |
You know, the actually important stuff |
| 16:51 |
VanessaE |
mmmh |
| 16:52 |
benrob0329 |
VanessaE: gentop devs formed udev into eudev for use without systemd |
| 16:52 |
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| 16:52 |
benrob0329 |
*gentoo |
| 16:52 |
Krock |
o/ |
| 16:52 |
benrob0329 |
\o Krock |
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| 16:53 |
red-001 |
hello Krock |
| 16:54 |
VanessaE |
benrob0329: udev is another Achilles heal... plug in a thumb drive.. "hey, ok I see a thumb drive on USB... oh what's this? you have 12854543 other USB devices? let me scan those as well. Oh btw, sorry I just caused your 3d printer to disconnect. sux to be you." |
| 16:54 |
VanessaE |
"oh...btw here's the contents of that thumb drive" |
| 16:54 |
VanessaE |
(well that's thunar's domain) |
| 16:55 |
Calinou |
my main problem with removable media on Linux is permission issues |
| 16:56 |
benrob0329 |
I use Udevil + devmon for automounting |
| 16:56 |
Calinou |
on many distros, you only have read-only access to them by default |
| 16:56 |
Calinou |
Manjaro doesn't have this issue so far so I'm happy |
| 16:56 |
Calinou |
I'm aware you can `sudo chown -R` the thing to fix it but it's nasty |
| 16:56 |
Calinou |
(tell newbies to do that!) |
| 16:57 |
Calinou |
once, my networking teacher gave me root access on one of the machines because of that :D |
| 16:57 |
Calinou |
(temporarily) |
| 16:57 |
benrob0329 |
(And ranger for a file manager, because lightweight/easy to compile ftw) |
| 16:57 |
benrob0329 |
Udevil just works man |
| 16:57 |
benrob0329 |
(Just be sure to have your user be in the plugdev group) |
| 16:58 |
benrob0329 |
and then you add devmon to .bashrc or similar |
| 16:58 |
VanessaE |
udevil? |
| 16:58 |
benrob0329 |
Yes |
| 16:58 |
VanessaE |
never heard of it |
| 16:58 |
benrob0329 |
Can be used with several udev-like things |
| 16:58 |
nerzhul |
sorry but gnome is not exactly dependant on systemd, gnome runs on Free/OpenBSD without systemd |
| 16:58 |
benrob0329 |
Its a userspace mounting utility |
| 16:59 |
benrob0329 |
nerzhul: with removed functionality |
| 16:59 |
benrob0329 |
And its only 3.18, fyi |
| 16:59 |
VanessaE |
as for gnome et al., I use XFCE anyways. please oh please tell me I can shitcan gtk3 and make apps only use gtk2? :) |
| 16:59 |
VanessaE |
(I suppose not) |
| 16:59 |
benrob0329 |
i3 here |
| 16:59 |
benrob0329 |
Its nice and configurable |
| 17:00 |
VanessaE |
i3? to me, that's the model of a 3d printer. |
| 17:00 |
nerzhul |
benrob0329, no, you don't have many features removed |
| 17:00 |
nerzhul |
VanessaE, if you like GTK, also use MT 0.3 please |
| 17:01 |
benrob0329 |
Oh please don't start with gtk hate |
| 17:01 |
benrob0329 |
Just dont |
| 17:01 |
benrob0329 |
I've been there, done thay |
| 17:01 |
Calinou |
Qt 5 master race! |
| 17:01 |
benrob0329 |
QT - We reinvented the inventor or the wheel. |
| 17:01 |
benrob0329 |
*of |
| 17:02 |
benrob0329 |
I hate mobile keyboards |
| 17:05 |
Shara |
Hello |
| 17:06 |
benrob0329 |
hi Shara |
| 17:06 |
VanessaE |
nerzhul: huh? |
| 17:06 |
VanessaE |
and I don't hate gtk, I rather like it. I just hate gtk3. |
| 17:06 |
nerzhul |
GTK2 i would say |
| 17:07 |
shivajiva |
Evening Shara |
| 17:07 |
benrob0329 |
Imgui ftw |
| 17:08 |
VanessaE |
every gtk2 prog that moved to gtk3 broke under xfce because of that stupid menu bar thing and the way they do window decorations (or don't) |
| 17:08 |
lisac |
thanks VanessaE |
| 17:09 |
lisac |
Maybe MT could have a few official servers |
| 17:10 |
VanessaE |
how "official" would they need to be? |
| 17:11 |
lisac |
No idea. I haven't got that far |
| 17:12 |
Fixer |
i will tell |
| 17:13 |
VanessaE |
I mean, celeron55 used to run a server years ago. I don't imagine it has to be quite THAT official? |
| 17:13 |
Fixer |
two servers: official stable and git, both vanilla, used for testing, reproducing bugs, etc, running under gdb |
| 17:14 |
Fixer |
maybe third server: official git modded under gdb, to catch all kinds of bugs |
| 17:14 |
VanessaE |
and both would be incredibly unpopular |
| 17:14 |
VanessaE |
which unfortunately would make them rather less useful |
| 17:14 |
nerzhul |
VanessaE, it's why sometimes you have a major release :p |
| 17:14 |
sfan5 |
vanilla servers rarely have crashes |
| 17:14 |
Krock |
official servers: top paid moderators, 24/7 support with the own hotline and matrix room |
| 17:14 |
nerzhul |
yeah generally crash are triggered by very tricky mods |
| 17:14 |
* CWz |
wonder about GTK5 |
| 17:15 |
garywhite |
Here's what I think you could do: If a lot of big changes are made to 0.5, then you could set up an official server just to showcase the new changes to MT for 0.5 |
| 17:15 |
Krock |
not to forget the last-gen Intel CPU, worth at least $2000 |
| 17:16 |
celeron55 |
we need to buy an IBM mainframe, then it's very official *insert doge meme* |
| 17:16 |
nerzhul |
i have an AS 400 at work if needed :p |
| 17:16 |
nerzhul |
i also have 2 servers with 3TB SSD + 256Go RAM which are not used |
| 17:16 |
VanessaE |
celeron55: much cores. very fast. wow. |
| 17:16 |
VanessaE |
:) |
| 17:16 |
celeron55 |
8)) |
| 17:17 |
Krock |
such fast. many amaze. top doge. |
| 17:17 |
nerzhul |
maybe i can tell my IBM reseller if i can have a IBM power 8 with watson for MT server hosting |
| 17:18 |
Fixer |
official server is good for only one thing right now: debug crashes |
| 17:18 |
benrob0329 |
top kek |
| 17:18 |
nerzhul |
crash are required, but as sfan5 said, without many mods it's difficult to trigger many crashes, and crash can be avoided if you add more unit tests to core but we are far from this |
| 17:18 |
Shara |
no mods = not so much fun |
| 17:19 |
Fixer |
Shara: anarchy servers |
| 17:19 |
benrob0329 |
no mods should == fun |
| 17:19 |
Shara |
should != is so |
| 17:19 |
benrob0329 |
mrg == need more content |
| 17:19 |
benrob0329 |
*mtg |
| 17:19 |
VanessaE |
I could go for some Topkek about now :) |
| 17:19 |
Fixer |
anarchy as official will be bad idea |
| 17:19 |
benrob0329 |
^^ |
| 17:20 |
Shara |
Really bad |
| 17:20 |
benrob0329 |
like, on a scale of 1-10 |
| 17:20 |
benrob0329 |
its negative 9000 |
| 17:20 |
nerzhul |
if you have official you need a team of moderator etc it's difficult to maintain |
| 17:20 |
VanessaE |
I am willing to let my servers be considered official |
| 17:20 |
benrob0329 |
but half the community hets 10 fps on them :-) |
| 17:21 |
Shara |
If current servers were to be given that status, how to decide which get it? |
| 17:21 |
VanessaE |
I have a good moderator team, a fast box with low 'net latency, and enough resources left to run a few more minetest instances easily |
| 17:21 |
Shara |
I can't see such a thing working to be honest |
| 17:21 |
nerzhul |
official server should be hosted by coredev to ensure it works just as intended |
| 17:21 |
Krock |
Shara, the official ones that lead to the correct website to download this game *cough* |
| 17:21 |
VanessaE |
nerzhul: "hosted by", or merely "operated by"? |
| 17:22 |
Shara |
I have a core dev helping on one of mine... and it runs less well than the one I run alone :P |
| 17:22 |
VanessaE |
nerzhul: I mean, someone has to supply the hardware to run it |
| 17:22 |
benrob0329 |
lets keep the comunity game with comunity servers, and obviod conflict, shall we? |
| 17:22 |
benrob0329 |
*ovoid |
| 17:22 |
VanessaE |
avoid ** |
| 17:22 |
Shara |
avoid* |
| 17:22 |
Krock |
Shara, it's the dev's fault |
| 17:22 |
Krock |
100% |
| 17:22 |
Fixer |
okay, just one official server: modded git with reasonable amount of popular mods under gdb with few moderators like VanessaE |
| 17:22 |
nerzhul |
i have the hardware for it if needed, but i think we can discuss about this later, there are bug on the current branch to fix :p |
| 17:22 |
Shara |
I think it's a silly idea anyway |
| 17:22 |
VanessaE |
yeah |
| 17:23 |
nerzhul |
you don't need GDB to run your server Fixer lol |
| 17:23 |
Krock |
you need valingrid |
| 17:23 |
nerzhul |
on FreeBSD coredumps are generated automaticly by default |
| 17:23 |
Fixer |
nerzhul: to catch crashes |
| 17:23 |
nerzhul |
and on linux you just need to enable a sysctl |
| 17:23 |
VanessaE |
if you want valgrind, you're gonna need a supercomputer then :P |
| 17:23 |
Fixer |
nerzhul: or call it Official Test Server |
| 17:23 |
kaeza |
Fixer, so... VE-Survival? |
| 17:23 |
Krock |
*valgrind if I could spell |
| 17:23 |
nerzhul |
Official PTS |
| 17:23 |
nerzhul |
:p |
| 17:23 |
kaeza |
except for the gdb part |
| 17:23 |
Fixer |
kaeza: does it produce gdb backtraces? |
| 17:23 |
nerzhul |
a world running with valgrind means: unplayable |
| 17:23 |
celeron55 |
i don't think an actual generally official server makes any sense but an official test server does |
| 17:24 |
Shara |
Official test server could be useful |
| 17:24 |
Fixer |
btw, I will remind everyone that I have strange memory increase over time on hometown server, please visit place i noted in that issue and use valgrind on it |
| 17:24 |
nerzhul |
but how do you handle random peons which are there just for breaking your world ? |
| 17:24 |
Fixer |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/5740 |
| 17:24 |
celeron55 |
nerzhul: it needs moderation and all that |
| 17:24 |
VanessaE |
nerzhul: whitelist. |
| 17:25 |
Shara |
Maybe test server shouldn't be on public list |
| 17:25 |
Fixer |
whitelist is good enough |
| 17:25 |
Shara |
Getting added to a list can be annoying |
| 17:25 |
Shara |
Might put off people who would otherwise test |
| 17:25 |
nerzhul |
if needed i can do it and host it |
| 17:25 |
Fixer |
Shara: hard to say, redcrab was very succesful even with whitelist |
| 17:26 |
nerzhul |
https://hub.docker.com/search/?isAutomated=0&isOfficial=0&page=1&pullCount=0&q=minetest&starCount=0 |
| 17:26 |
celeron55 |
make a server where the further from spawn you go, the slower it is to place blocks |
| 17:26 |
nerzhul |
wow |
| 17:26 |
Shara |
redcrab was a server to actually play on though |
| 17:26 |
celeron55 |
and mine |
| 17:26 |
VanessaE |
I kinda miss redcrab |
| 17:26 |
lisac |
okay, maybe a better idea |
| 17:26 |
lisac |
maybe older servers should get a higher position in the serverlist |
| 17:26 |
celeron55 |
(yes, probably would create a very weird server) |
| 17:26 |
Shara |
lisac: As far as I know they do? |
| 17:27 |
red-001 |
lisac, they do |
| 17:27 |
Shara |
age isn't really a great measure of worth by itself though |
| 17:27 |
lisac |
yes, new servers still take top sometimes |
| 17:27 |
Shara |
So it's good that many other things are looked at |
| 17:27 |
Shara |
Though it makes me sad, since it keeps DL lower on the list than it would be |
| 17:28 |
Shara |
Though maybe that's good, since DL is always full... |
| 17:31 |
Fixer |
totally possible btw |
| 17:32 |
Fixer |
benrob0329: yes |
| 17:32 |
VanessaE |
[off[ oh, that |
| 17:32 |
VanessaE |
fuck it |
| 17:32 |
* VanessaE |
turns [off] off. :P |
| 17:32 |
red-001 |
more [off]!!?!???! |
| 17:33 |
Krock |
[off[ oh my gosh, leaked information |
| 17:33 |
red-001 |
[off[ neat idea |
| 17:33 |
CWz |
i don't think redcrab world will run in latest versions |
| 17:34 |
benrob0329 |
we could make it |
| 17:35 |
benrob0329 |
someone make a hacked client that can save the world and explore automatically, and leave it up all night |
| 17:35 |
benrob0329 |
or tell someone else to do so |
| 17:35 |
Fixer |
someone already did I think |
| 17:36 |
red-001 |
Fixer, link? |
| 17:36 |
Fixer |
no link |
| 17:36 |
benrob0329 |
like, i could leave my desktop up and record it, put it on a server so people can download it |
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| 17:36 |
benrob0329 |
ofc, the client could get kicked |
| 17:37 |
benrob0329 |
so progress would need to be saved |
| 17:37 |
benrob0329 |
what would be needed to fool server to see you as an older client? |
| 17:38 |
red-001 |
a lott |
| 17:38 |
red-001 |
lot* |
| 17:38 |
red-001 |
backporting the changes should be easier |
| 17:38 |
red-001 |
when was map saving added? |
| 17:38 |
Fixer |
benrob0329: you underestimate the size of that world |
| 17:38 |
benrob0329 |
Fixer: yes |
| 17:38 |
benrob0329 |
no |
| 17:38 |
benrob0329 |
er |
| 17:39 |
Fixer |
benrob0329: huge builds as far as 20000 away |
| 17:39 |
benrob0329 |
this is true |
| 17:39 |
benrob0329 |
can you fool the server to feed you the mapblocks? |
| 17:39 |
red-001 |
no |
| 17:40 |
benrob0329 |
darn |
| 17:40 |
Krock |
map saving? 0.4.9 around then |
| 17:40 |
benrob0329 |
oh, we're fine then |
| 17:40 |
benrob0329 |
just need an alt name |
| 17:41 |
red-001 |
does it matter? |
| 17:41 |
benrob0329 |
yes |
| 17:41 |
Krock |
oh |
| 17:41 |
Krock |
0.4.10 → 0.4.11 |
| 17:41 |
Krock |
http://dev.minetest.net/Changelog |
| 17:42 |
Krock |
apparently it's newer than I thouht |
| 17:42 |
Krock |
^ red-001 |
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| 17:54 |
Fixer |
"Can i change units in Sil (and/or maybe other angband forks and angband itself) to SI?" |
| 17:54 |
Fixer |
Sil = roguelike game |
| 17:54 |
Fixer |
too bad it does not use metric system |
| 17:55 |
CWz |
damn old redcrab server is down |
| 17:56 |
Fixer |
you sure? |
| 17:56 |
CWz |
*screams* |
| 17:56 |
CWz |
i couldn't connect |
| 17:57 |
Fixer |
he visited forums: Last visited: 27 Jan 2017 15:54 |
| 17:57 |
Fixer |
his forum has sql error |
| 18:19 |
* Jordach |
does the impossible and sort of figures out 1.8 compat |
| 18:19 |
Jordach |
http://i.imgur.com/NJHOXAq.png |
| 18:21 |
Jordach |
benrob0329, bow to your blender god |
| 18:23 |
Jordach |
"AMD didn't show many benchmarks for their Radeon Vega GPU, though what they did show was highly impressive, with the results below showing the Vega easily beat Nvidia's Titan Xp in a range of 3D modelling applications." |
| 18:23 |
Jordach |
>3D modelling |
| 18:24 |
Jordach |
<nVidia_Titan> *autistic screeching* |
| 18:24 |
benrob0329 |
Jordach: my knees don't work |
| 18:24 |
Jordach |
http://i.imgur.com/cQaD0PM.png |
| 18:26 |
benrob0329 |
Now port it to irrlicht |
| 18:26 |
Jordach |
one moment |
| 18:27 |
Jordach |
benrob0329, blob:http://imgur.com/b83c0b6d-dd49-4140-a99e-55888553608c |
| 18:27 |
Jordach |
*autistic screeching* |
| 18:27 |
Jordach |
http://i.imgur.com/Np7iDFY.png |
| 18:27 |
benrob0329 |
Thays not irrlicht |
| 18:28 |
Jordach |
good fucking luck |
| 18:28 |
Jordach |
there's blender drivers controlling the simplest elements |
| 18:28 |
Jordach |
it's not meant for ingame, its for rendering the fuck out of for thumbnails and shit |
| 18:28 |
benrob0329 |
Then port it to BGE |
| 18:28 |
Jordach |
*AUTISTIC RAGE* |
| 18:28 |
benrob0329 |
Lol |
| 18:28 |
Jordach |
Khronos plans to merge OpenCL and Vulkan into a single API |
| 18:29 |
Jordach |
MOM GET THE CAMERA |
| 18:29 |
benrob0329 |
Wait what??? |
| 18:29 |
Jordach |
REST IN PIECES NVIDIA CUDA |
| 18:29 |
Jordach |
https://www.overclock3d.net/news/software/khronos_plans_to_merge_opencl_and_vulkan_into_a_single_api/1 |
| 18:29 |
benrob0329 |
I don't need to camera, I NEED TO SEE THIS |
| 18:29 |
Jordach |
CUDA gets BTFO by AMD |
| 18:29 |
benrob0329 |
LONG LIVE OPENCL |
| 18:29 |
benrob0329 |
er |
| 18:30 |
benrob0329 |
LONG LIVE VULKAN |
| 18:31 |
benrob0329 |
expect to see a TPS-meme video up today |
| 18:31 |
Jordach |
benrob0329, all dem nvidia fanboys gun screech |
| 18:31 |
Jordach |
inb4: Blender 2.8 to use Vulkan |
| 18:31 |
garywhite |
memeep |
| 18:31 |
benrob0329 |
I got nvidia because of blender, and now I can ditch nvidia thanks to Blender |
| 18:32 |
benrob0329 |
life is gud |
| 18:32 |
Jordach |
benrob0329, OpenCL support on my RX 480 is bretty gud |
| 18:32 |
Jordach |
it even plays top AAA games maxed out without a sweat |
| 18:32 |
benrob0329 |
Goodbye proprietary drivers!! |
| 18:32 |
benrob0329 |
After I drop $900 that is.. |
| 18:33 |
Jordach |
fun fact, my gpu is codenamed ellesmere |
| 18:33 |
Jordach |
http://i.imgur.com/uJXdi2f.png |
| 18:33 |
benrob0329 |
Ofc, I could sell my 980ti |
| 18:34 |
Jordach |
benrob0329, downside is that GPU rendering for teh first time takes a few minuets |
| 18:34 |
Jordach |
since the GPU has to compile it as a whole, and not streamed like cuda cores |
| 18:34 |
Jordach |
slower to start, faster to render |
| 18:34 |
Jordach |
from my own testing |
| 18:34 |
benrob0329 |
Plan to drop nvidia: |
| 18:35 |
Jordach |
(3 minutes to render initially with by PBR setup) |
| 18:35 |
benrob0329 |
Buy beter amd gpu |
| 18:35 |
benrob0329 |
Boot computer with nvidia |
| 18:35 |
benrob0329 |
Uninstall nvidia drivers, delete xorg.conf |
| 18:35 |
Jordach |
install Gentoo |
| 18:36 |
benrob0329 |
I already run gentoo :PPP |
| 18:36 |
Jordach |
-reinstall gentoo as it's gone wrong again |
| 18:36 |
benrob0329 |
Heh, its pretty stabke actually |
| 18:36 |
benrob0329 |
*stable |
| 18:37 |
benrob0329 |
You get news when you update things |
| 18:37 |
Jordach |
benrob0329, >wing commander for free as part of Origin Access |
| 18:37 |
benrob0329 |
what's that? |
| 18:38 |
Jordach |
>doesn't know of the DOS classic |
| 18:38 |
Jordach |
even has the command and conquer collection |
| 18:38 |
benrob0329 |
I haven't been into computer games for but the last few years |
| 18:40 |
benrob0329 |
Basically, install amd drivers with nvidia booted, then enable proper frambuffer |
| 18:40 |
benrob0329 |
Because nvidia screwed over the framebuffer and left us with efi fb only |
| 18:41 |
benrob0329 |
But ill need the money to buy an amd gpu first |
| 18:45 |
Fixer |
MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAKE A MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE |
| 18:46 |
* CWz |
lifts his leg to fart |
| 18:46 |
Fixer |
Krock: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDZh2F18waI |
| 18:46 |
benrob0329 |
What is even happening |
| 18:47 |
* Jordach |
shrugs |
| 18:47 |
Krock |
<333 |
| 18:47 |
Jordach |
fuck this, i'm playing some BF1 |
| 18:47 |
Fixer |
Jordach: BF1942 |
| 18:47 |
Jordach |
Fixer, nah fam |
| 18:48 |
Fixer |
with bots <3 |
| 18:48 |
benrob0329 |
FlightGear |
| 18:48 |
benrob0329 |
Do we have fps servers yet? |
| 18:49 |
benrob0329 |
honestly, once we get wielditem animation well be good to have a fully fledged FPS in MT |
| 18:49 |
Fixer |
fps servers? |
| 18:50 |
Fixer |
we need "wielditem animation" in MTG |
| 18:50 |
Fixer |
totally agree |
| 18:50 |
Fixer |
it is not 1982 or smth |
| 18:51 |
Jordach |
benrob0329, wielditem anim |
| 18:51 |
Jordach |
fuck that |
| 18:51 |
Jordach |
give us wieldmeshes |
| 18:51 |
Jordach |
like meshnodes with that capability |
| 18:51 |
benrob0329 |
With animation |
| 18:51 |
benrob0329 |
it'd be called with the same api |
| 18:52 |
Fixer |
yesterdays house I've noticed has been improved: https://i.imgur.com/Etp9ehr.png |
| 18:53 |
Jordach |
>wood box |
| 18:54 |
Fixer |
yep |
| 18:54 |
Shara |
Beats wool box |
| 18:54 |
Fixer |
ha |
| 18:54 |
Fixer |
chicken walked into solid block and exploded |
| 18:54 |
Fixer |
(...) |
| 18:54 |
Fixer |
need to ask tidyman about that |
| 18:54 |
benrob0329 |
Beats cobble boc |
| 18:55 |
benrob0329 |
*x |
| 18:55 |
benrob0329 |
Gosh, I suck at typing on my phone |
| 18:57 |
Shara |
Ekk, you all just came very close to getting some cat typing here. |
| 18:58 |
Shara |
Silly kitten just typed about three lines of nonsense, but could not find enter |
| 19:01 |
benrob0329 |
Heh |
| 19:01 |
benrob0329 |
https://youtu.be/3XAW3vv1_18 |
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| 19:16 |
tenplus1 |
hi folks |
| 19:16 |
Raven262 |
Greetings, tenplus1 |
| 19:16 |
tenplus1 |
hi raven |
| 19:17 |
benrob0329 |
(Some swearing) https://youtu.be/1K5jo9gk9LQ |
| 19:17 |
tenplus1 |
hi ben |
| 19:17 |
benrob0329 |
tenplus1: does playerplus only have knockback for mobs? |
| 19:17 |
benrob0329 |
Hi |
| 19:17 |
benrob0329 |
Er |
| 19:17 |
benrob0329 |
Knockback for players |
| 19:17 |
benrob0329 |
By player punched |
| 19:17 |
benrob0329 |
*es |
| 19:18 |
tenplus1 |
it has many effects but when player is hit the object doing the hitting must supply vector position for it to work.. so mobs, tnt etv |
| 19:18 |
benrob0329 |
Mobs don't seem to |
| 19:18 |
benrob0329 |
or do only some mobs do it? |
| 19:18 |
tenplus1 |
any mobs who punch... |
| 19:19 |
tenplus1 |
any particular mob not working ? |
| 19:19 |
benrob0329 |
hmm |
| 19:19 |
benrob0329 |
Dirt/sand so far |
| 19:19 |
benrob0329 |
Will test with others |
| 19:20 |
tenplus1 |
those dfinitely work.. is it latest playerplus ? |
| 19:20 |
benrob0329 |
Just got it from git last night |
| 19:20 |
tenplus1 |
chckinv |
| 19:24 |
tenplus1 |
works fine... I did add a new 'no_knockback' priv to disable it for certain players, so if you grant yourself all privs it wont work |
| 19:25 |
benrob0329 |
player>player knockback works |
| 19:25 |
benrob0329 |
But mob punching player does not |
| 19:25 |
tenplus1 |
weird... I just got knocked around with sand and dirt monsters... worked ok with latest git ?!?!/ |
| 19:26 |
benrob0329 |
Hold on |
| 19:26 |
benrob0329 |
I can't revoke privs as admin |
| 19:26 |
benrob0329 |
Wth |
| 19:27 |
benrob0329 |
I can't revoke my privs as server admin |
| 19:27 |
tenplus1 |
ehehe |
| 19:27 |
benrob0329 |
Whu |
| 19:27 |
tenplus1 |
blame minetest :) some of the privs you cant revoke.. |
| 19:27 |
benrob0329 |
Why, who thought this was a good idea? |
| 19:28 |
benrob0329 |
Works now |
| 19:28 |
benrob0329 |
Was no_knockback priv |
| 19:28 |
tenplus1 |
:) glad it works now |
| 19:29 |
tenplus1 |
was something I added for robbie |
| 19:29 |
benrob0329 |
This is very awkward feeling though, we need a knoclback api |
| 19:29 |
tenplus1 |
we have a pull request for c++ knockback... |
| 19:29 |
tenplus1 |
hopefully that'll get in |
| 19:29 |
rubenwardy |
privileges should give you the right to do something |
| 19:29 |
rubenwardy |
so the admin having all privileges makes sense |
| 19:29 |
Jordach |
next thing you know you'll need a priv to breathe |
| 19:29 |
Jordach |
Minetest, the ultimate shitlord |
| 19:29 |
tenplus1 |
hi ruben, hi jordach |
| 19:30 |
rubenwardy |
yo |
| 19:30 |
benrob0329 |
rubenwardy: but privs are used for more than just admining |
| 19:30 |
benrob0329 |
Games ofteb use them for specific things |
| 19:30 |
rubenwardy |
if you're using a privilege for anything else other than the permission to do something then you're misusing them |
| 19:31 |
Jordach |
^^ |
| 19:31 |
Jordach |
use them sparingly |
| 19:31 |
rubenwardy |
ie: they shouldn't be used for classes |
| 19:31 |
benrob0329 |
tell that to mods |
| 19:31 |
kaeza |
Jordach, http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=240 |
| 19:31 |
benrob0329 |
Like just now |
| 19:31 |
benrob0329 |
no_knockback priv |
| 19:31 |
Jordach |
kaeza, fuck me, what year is it? 2007? |
| 19:31 |
benrob0329 |
It makes sense |
| 19:31 |
benrob0329 |
But I can't revoke it for testing |
| 19:32 |
tenplus1 |
hi kaeza |
| 19:32 |
kaeza |
greetings, tenplus1 |
| 19:32 |
benrob0329 |
Saying that I *need* to have all privs is a shit argument |
| 19:32 |
benrob0329 |
No offense |
| 19:32 |
Jordach |
use player attributes |
| 19:32 |
Jordach |
they're useful for this kind of thing |
| 19:32 |
Jordach |
handing out privs like it's candy will end up making mods incompatible |
| 19:33 |
Jordach |
for people who want to do proper programming practices seem quite shit at doing so |
| 19:33 |
tenplus1 |
this was only used for a 3d_armor piece that stops knockback.. nothing else really |
| 19:33 |
Jordach |
and it's overkill |
| 19:34 |
Jordach |
a player attribute is the same, but with far better storage |
| 19:34 |
Jordach |
player:set_attribute("armor_kb_resist", <percentage>) |
| 19:34 |
Jordach |
player:get_attribute("armor_kb_resist") |
| 19:34 |
tenplus1 |
good idea, will look into that one |
| 19:35 |
Jordach |
when i've got better development practices than most of the big players in MT, something is definitely wrong here |
| 19:35 |
Jordach |
and i'm using windows for fuck sakes |
| 19:35 |
Fixer |
tenplus1: chicken walked into solid block and exploded |
| 19:35 |
tenplus1 |
exoloded ? |
| 19:36 |
benrob0329 |
Went boom, nuked the whole town |
| 19:36 |
tenplus1 |
kewl |
| 19:36 |
Fixer |
tenplus1: yeah, exploded |
| 19:36 |
Fixer |
tenplus1: "exploded" |
| 19:36 |
Jordach |
uhhh |
| 19:37 |
Fixer |
tenplus1: i was zooming... watching at that chicken walking across, suddenly it walked into block and "exploded" |
| 19:37 |
Jordach |
why is enabling mods done with a checkbox |
| 19:37 |
Jordach |
yet modpacks are with a button |
| 19:37 |
tenplus1 |
weird... that doesnt normally happen unless something is under chicken and blowing things up |
| 19:37 |
Jordach |
:thinking: |
| 19:37 |
benrob0329 |
Jordach: fix it |
| 19:37 |
Hijiri |
using player attributes directly will still lead to mod incompatibility |
| 19:37 |
Jordach |
Hijiri, no |
| 19:37 |
tenplus1 |
hi Hijiri |
| 19:37 |
Fixer |
Jordach: modpacks are so broken, don't mind that button |
| 19:37 |
benrob0329 |
Add actual check boxes whilst your at it |
| 19:37 |
Hijiri |
hi 11 |
| 19:37 |
Jordach |
you're expected to keep the <modname>_name standard |
| 19:38 |
Hijiri |
Jordach: right, so no other mods can affect armor resistance? |
| 19:38 |
Jordach |
Hijiri, then they read that value |
| 19:38 |
Jordach |
by depending on the mod that provides armor |
| 19:38 |
Hijiri |
ah, ok |
| 19:38 |
benrob0329 |
Can we have slippery nodes? |
| 19:39 |
tenplus1 |
that would be amazing :)))))) my builtin_item mod has dropped items being pushed by water and sliding along ice |
| 19:39 |
rubenwardy |
stylistic choice, but <modname>:<name> is more used |
| 19:39 |
rubenwardy |
ie: formspecs |
| 19:39 |
Hijiri |
Jordach: that mod still has to provide code to merge mod modifications though |
| 19:39 |
rubenwardy |
and in mtg |
| 19:39 |
Hijiri |
it's not solved just by using attributes |
| 19:39 |
Jordach |
Hijiri, considering armour isn't a standard |
| 19:39 |
Jordach |
and most armour addons generally depend on it already |
| 19:39 |
Jordach |
is there a difference? |
| 19:40 |
Hijiri |
difference between what? |
| 19:40 |
benrob0329 |
*Armor should be a standard |
| 19:40 |
Jordach |
Hijiri, armour isn;t a default mod |
| 19:40 |
Jordach |
benrob0329, we're not minecraft, fucking QUIT IT |
| 19:40 |
Hijiri |
Why does it matter if it's a default mod |
| 19:40 |
benrob0329 |
Were not idiots, you quit it. |
| 19:41 |
Jordach |
>missing the point |
| 19:41 |
Hijiri |
I"m missing the point, yes |
| 19:41 |
benrob0329 |
What? MC happened to have armour, so now we're forbidden to have it? |
| 19:41 |
Jordach |
benrob0329, "muh clone" |
| 19:41 |
benrob0329 |
Wtf kind of logic is that? |
| 19:41 |
Jordach |
you shouldn't have to have parity with another thing just to call yourself something else |
| 19:41 |
Jordach |
be goddamn original |
| 19:41 |
Jordach |
i remember people crying their brains out over terraria |
| 19:42 |
benrob0329 |
Then what else are we gonna have? |
| 19:42 |
benrob0329 |
Body ar...oh wait |
| 19:42 |
benrob0329 |
Bullt proof vests, oh wait no guns |
| 19:42 |
Fixer |
https://i.imgur.com/KJV2eee.png eyes bleed |
| 19:42 |
benrob0329 |
Helmets? No that's armor |
| 19:42 |
Jordach |
benrob0329, perhaps consider the fact you have a handwavium ore: mese |
| 19:43 |
tenplus1 |
erk, so much green |
| 19:43 |
Hijiri |
we need to imagine a new way to represent damage resistance that isn't armor pieces |
| 19:43 |
benrob0329 |
So what? Make armor out of mese? |
| 19:43 |
Jordach |
might be able to produce a suitable force field for my things |
| 19:43 |
Hijiri |
since MC is already parked on that paradigm |
| 19:43 |
benrob0329 |
Oh wait no we can't do that |
| 19:43 |
Jordach |
magical shielding sounds dank as fuck |
| 19:43 |
tenplus1 |
ooh, druid charms for protection ?? |
| 19:43 |
benrob0329 |
Shields are "too advanced" for mtg as far as I've seen |
| 19:43 |
tenplus1 |
protecvtion runes for all sorts of effects :D |
| 19:43 |
Hijiri |
While we're doing that let's change how the game industry thinks about health |
| 19:43 |
benrob0329 |
Druid? hell no |
| 19:43 |
tenplus1 |
aww |
| 19:43 |
Jordach |
benrob0329, maybe totems |
| 19:43 |
Jordach |
;) |
| 19:43 |
Hijiri |
instead of health points, you have health items that go away when you take damage |
| 19:44 |
Hijiri |
MC has health points so it would be unoriginal to have those |
| 19:44 |
Jordach |
Hijiri, i wasn't literal |
| 19:44 |
Jordach |
most mobile clients don't know of other games maybe barring xanadu and a few others |
| 19:44 |
Jordach |
s/clients/users/g |
| 19:44 |
benrob0329 |
How about...armor, because its f*cking practical. |
| 19:45 |
Jordach |
a game shouldn't have to be practical |
| 19:45 |
benrob0329 |
We can add real clothing whilst were at it and be civilized |
| 19:45 |
Hijiri |
Jordach: so you weren't literal when you said that MT shouldn't include wearable armor because MC has it? |
| 19:45 |
Jordach |
benrob0329, https://github.com/Jordach/Solar_Plains/blob/master/mods/wardrobe/init.lua :thinking: |
| 19:45 |
benrob0329 |
its a skin creator |
| 19:45 |
Jordach |
benrob0329, same difference, is it not? |
| 19:46 |
Shara |
We're arguing over whether MT should have armour or not on the basis of another game having it?? |
| 19:46 |
benrob0329 |
No, clothing has practical uses |
| 19:46 |
benrob0329 |
Like, where a coat because its -30 outside |
| 19:46 |
Hijiri |
I'm arguing over whether you should argue over whether should have armor or not on the basis of another game having it |
| 19:46 |
benrob0329 |
Otherwise you'll die of frostbite |
| 19:46 |
Jordach |
tfw baited |
| 19:46 |
* Shara |
takes Hijiri's side |
| 19:46 |
tenplus1 |
hi shara |
| 19:46 |
Hijiri |
I'm not baiting |
| 19:47 |
Jordach |
i take neither side in MTG shenanigans |
| 19:47 |
Hijiri |
you still haven't clarified, did you really mean to say that armor shouldn't be included because MC has it? |
| 19:47 |
Hijiri |
or were you not being literal |
| 19:47 |
Jordach |
Hijiri, never literal |
| 19:47 |
Hijiri |
what did you mean then? |
| 19:47 |
Jordach |
shouldn't have to follow something to a T |
| 19:47 |
benrob0329 |
I dont give a crap what MC does and does not have in it |
| 19:48 |
Hijiri |
I'm not sure how else you would do wearable armor |
| 19:48 |
rubenwardy |
This is the first time I've ever seen a MC-related argument in a MT channel |
| 19:48 |
rubenwardy |
well, that I remember |
| 19:48 |
benrob0329 |
Ok so we do something different from medieval style armor |
| 19:48 |
benrob0329 |
I'm down for that |
| 19:48 |
rubenwardy |
nice breeze from tabs v spaces, editors, or linux |
| 19:48 |
benrob0329 |
But wearables in general would be nice |
| 19:48 |
Jordach |
benrob0329, the best part about using magic is that there's no rules if you don't have them ;) |
| 19:49 |
benrob0329 |
I don't need rules for scifi |
| 19:49 |
benrob0329 |
Its called fiction for a reason |
| 19:49 |
Jordach |
benrob0329, same difference, isn't it? |
| 19:49 |
rubenwardy |
you do need consistent rules for magic, even if they're not realistic at all |
| 19:49 |
rubenwardy |
otherwise the user will call b |
| 19:49 |
rubenwardy |
*bs |
| 19:49 |
benrob0329 |
Jordach: magic is a discussion I do not wish to get into |
| 19:50 |
Hijiri |
you could just have magic do whatever is convenient at the time and call it the law of preordained harmony |
| 19:50 |
benrob0329 |
Someone will get on my ass about religion if I do. |
| 19:51 |
* Shara |
wonders how preordained harmony would be coded |
| 19:51 |
benrob0329 |
Or, do something original, and not just blame magic like every other thing |
| 19:51 |
Hijiri |
at one point I thought about making a demonic-themed ritual magic mod to get that person on my ass |
| 19:52 |
benrob0329 |
Why can't the laws of the universe be different from out own? |
| 19:52 |
tenplus1 |
oooh nice |
| 19:52 |
Hijiri |
I doubt I will work on anything like that anytime soon though, since I have other mods I'm working on |
| 19:52 |
Hijiri |
"working on" - not really since I have a project due Fi |
| 19:52 |
Hijiri |
Fri* |
| 19:54 |
benrob0329 |
But come on, what is this the 1600s? |
| 19:54 |
benrob0329 |
Not everything you don't understand is magic |
| 19:56 |
Hijiri |
in many magic settings magic is presented as just being different laws of physics |
| 19:56 |
Hijiri |
that amount to something that looks like fantasy magic |
| 19:56 |
Hijiri |
or maybe something more novel but still feels magicky |
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| 20:13 |
tenplus1 |
nite fokls |
| 20:13 |
tenplus1 |
*folks :P |
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| 20:29 |
* Jordach |
gets to finishing off the redone menu |
| 20:30 |
* Jordach |
thinks about changing the enable mod checkbox to a button |
| 20:33 |
Jordach |
>-- game mods can't be enabled or disabled |
| 20:33 |
Jordach |
*triggered* |
| 20:44 |
Jordach |
http://i.imgur.com/dF1v30n.png |
| 20:44 |
Jordach |
made a few textual changes to make it more obvious what each switch does |
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| 21:00 |
benrob0329 |
Jordach: nice, but i still dont like the green |
| 21:06 |
Calinou |
so I'm looking at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/archived/Game-Server-HOWTO/quakeworld.html |
| 21:06 |
Calinou |
the system requirements break my workflow! |
| 21:06 |
Calinou |
/s |
| 21:07 |
Calinou |
(my VPS has 15 GB of RAM, and they suggest 16 MB of RAM there… so I have almost 1,000 times more) |
| 21:08 |
* benrob0329 |
waits for pixabay account activation email |
| 21:08 |
Calinou |
I have an account on Pixabay since like 2 years ago |
| 21:09 |
benrob0329 |
>spams refresh |
| 21:09 |
benrob0329 |
i havent bothered, just used captcha |
| 21:09 |
benrob0329 |
but i dont want to deal with it anymore |
| 21:09 |
benrob0329 |
id log in with FB but it always fails |
| 21:10 |
* garywhite |
has to look up pixabay now |
| 21:10 |
benrob0329 |
ugggg, i hate slow email services |
| 21:10 |
benrob0329 |
its like, you want me to sign up, but its taking an hour for your email to send |
| 21:11 |
benrob0329 |
(its not my email because steam nots get through within a minute) |
| 21:11 |
nerzhul |
nice ! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCbHlBqK6Vk |
| 21:13 |
benrob0329 |
lol |
| 21:13 |
benrob0329 |
faith in humanity...oh its that song |
| 21:13 |
benrob0329 |
nvm |
| 21:20 |
Fixer |
not this bullshit again... https://i.imgur.com/UPj98ka.png |
| 21:24 |
benrob0329 |
Hometown? |
| 21:31 |
Jordach |
:^) |
| 21:31 |
Jordach |
that was fast |
| 21:31 |
Jordach |
i possibly fucked up my knee somehow |
| 21:32 |
Jordach |
benrob0329, i'm not using blue |
| 21:32 |
benrob0329 |
I didnt say to use blue |
| 21:32 |
benrob0329 |
just...something else |
| 21:32 |
benrob0329 |
something more neutral |
| 21:32 |
benrob0329 |
for the buttons |
| 21:32 |
benrob0329 |
the mod list is fine |
| 21:38 |
benrob0329 |
Jordach: im making a a kek video |
| 21:52 |
Jordach |
benrob0329, http://i.imgur.com/5tFM3Y5.png |
| 21:56 |
Fixer |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43zOwm34hqQ as usual |
| 21:57 |
benrob0329 |
Jordach: better |
| 22:01 |
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| 22:01 |
Jordach |
mransom, <3 |
| 22:02 |
Jordach |
>Big Freaking Dig |
| 22:02 |
Jordach |
feel free to replace that with my eventually released Solar Plains which is the simplified successor |
| 22:04 |
Fixer |
https://i.imgur.com/Z2R3SvA.png |
| 22:06 |
Jordach |
benrob0329, that's literally the same colour as before |
| 22:06 |
Jordach |
(based off of the menu selector table) |
| 22:09 |
* Jordach |
feels like setting a temp var to display current password |
| 22:09 |
Jordach |
for tableteers |
| 22:09 |
Jordach |
(my phone does this in certain apps) |
| 22:17 |
* Jordach |
sets GPU to render |
| 22:20 |
Jordach |
benrob0329, ayy lmao |
| 22:20 |
Jordach |
even with performance limiters enabled on my GPU |
| 22:21 |
Jordach |
it can render a 512 samples quickly |
| 22:23 |
Jordach |
1m53s at 1080p, 512 samples |
| 22:28 |
Fixer |
3 085 036 KB |
| 22:43 |
Fixer |
no freaking way http://static2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20051015120123/doom/images/1/1f/Batman_terrorist.png |
| 22:48 |
Fixer |
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| 23:43 |
* garywhite |
fires up his Windows 3.1 VM |
| 23:44 |
* Jordach |
feels bad |
| 23:44 |
Jordach |
i looked at the state of winamp |
| 23:44 |
garywhite |
about what? |
| 23:49 |
Jordach |
>winamp |
| 23:55 |
benrob0329 |
who uses Winamp anymore? |
| 23:55 |
benrob0329 |
Jordach: kekness is rendering |
