Time Nick Message 00:25 benrob0329 http://imgur.com/a/SSNFy 00:43 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/P4LHSEa.jpg 06:48 red-005 looks like that minetesthosting.com issues isn't just one server 06:49 red-005 s/issues/issue 07:14 VanessaE red-005: which issue? 07:14 red-005 the server saying you have an unoffical version of minetest when you try to connect 07:14 VanessaE right 07:15 VanessaE who runs that service? 07:15 * red-005 doesn't know 07:17 Zeno` can I have voice? 07:17 Zeno` err nvm 07:17 Zeno` someone put whiteout on my monitor and I couldn't see 07:20 CWz hey Zeno`, VanessaE and others 07:21 red-005 hi CWz 07:30 VanessaE morning CWz, Zeno` 07:34 CWz that the build on minetest.org 07:55 CWz dang my bannaland server is going crazy as i though it would 07:55 CWz well back in the days of 0.4.9 it would have. *drowns his sorrows* 07:56 CWz 200+ server nowadays and not enough players go play them all 12:14 VanessaE red-005: ask mransom :) 12:15 Jordach that;s a bad name to use for a site now, isn't it 12:15 red-005 Jordach, it's a prefectly good name 12:17 CWz uh did i meiss anything 12:18 red-005 just like maf.ai would be a good domain name for a company selling mass flow sensors in Anguilla 12:20 red-005 so who is mransom? 12:21 mransom good morning, everyone, I'm Mark Ransom, I run minetesthosting.com 12:21 red-005 oh ok 12:22 red-005 mransom, have you heard about the security exploit in worldedit? 12:23 VanessaE we discussed it 12:23 mransom yes 12:33 red-005 anyway why do some of the servers block connections and display that message? 12:34 nerzhul which message ? 12:35 red-005 the one that some minetesthosting servers display about using an unoffical client 12:36 nerzhul oh 12:38 mransom red-005: it looks like someone used the exploit in worldedit_gui to register that message when users join 12:38 mransom I've removed it now, but it was only affecting worlds using a specific mod 12:38 mransom needless to say, I've got some work to do 12:38 red-005 huh I wonder who carried that out 12:39 mransom I've resolved that specific issue, I believe, but the fact that I've been compromised to that degree is quite upsetting 12:43 red-005 mransom, if you are not using mod security you might want to check if they made any other modifications to the system 12:46 mransom yeah, I thought I was using mod security, red-005, but I've definitely got some work to do 12:47 mransom I probably need to start over, if this box appears to have been compromised 12:48 VanessaE that's what I would do 12:48 VanessaE save the worldmaps, auth.txt, bans lists and so on, throw everything else away and start from scratch 12:48 Fixer inspect auth.txt 12:48 VanessaE that too 12:54 Fixer and ban list for new entries 12:55 red-005 Review Everything™ 12:56 VanessaE REVIEW ALL THE THINGS! "\:D/ 12:57 Fixer red-005: had no crashes yet with your patch 12:57 VanessaE on my servers, the mods are managed from my PC, so if something is compromised server-side, I can restore the clean copy in a couple minutes 12:57 VanessaE (including addressing the vulnerability, of course) 12:57 red-005 Fixer, how often do you get crashes without it? 12:57 nerzhul Challenge everything ? 12:58 red-005 huh maybe you could run one client without it and another with it? 12:58 Fixer red-005: depends on that chinese guy %) could have it fast, or not for days 12:59 red-005 well my change was mostly a blind guess 12:59 Fixer red-005: please post a PR with that patch, so more people can review it, it will take a loooooooooot of time to really confirm it, like week or two 13:00 red-005 it's the same change that is needed to stop minetest from being crashed by unicode in the settings file 13:01 nerzhul we permit Lua to do many things it's time to stop and do things decided by core, not because we can do what we want becaues it's just a mod lolz 13:03 Fixer red-005: it took me like 40 hours to catch crash under gdb... 13:08 Fixer or 50 14:00 Fixer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDZh2F18waI maximum gay 14:02 Fixer send this to Krock to 14:02 Fixer o 14:03 benrob0329 RobbieF: mind if I make a meme video with some bits from TPS? 14:04 RobbieF from our show? 14:04 RobbieF or are you referring to our servers? 14:05 benrob0329 it'd credit you guys ofc, and id be willing to license it differently from my normal videos 14:05 benrob0329 Show 14:05 benrob0329 Not a YTP, if that helps :-) 14:05 RobbieF Yeah sure, as long as it is family friendly. This may help: http://category5.tv/feed/thepixelshadow/hd/ 14:05 benrob0329 It will be 14:06 RobbieF Please credit "The Pixel Shadow from the Category5 TV Network - minetest.tv" or something along those lines 14:06 benrob0329 Will do 14:06 benrob0329 What license would you prefer? 14:07 RobbieF The license is in the feed I sent you above 14:07 benrob0329 ah 14:07 RobbieF This work is licensed under a Creative Commons License - Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike - http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/3.0/ 14:08 RobbieF Under the license, I give you permission to monetize the derivative work, royalty free, including assets and music. If you get hit with a copyright claim, just let me know and we'll provide you with the needed text. 14:09 RobbieF ^^ so long as the derivative work is sufficiently different in its overall presentation than the source material, of course. Can't just repost our video :D 14:09 benrob0329 Thanks :-) I don't have an AdSense account yet though XD 14:09 RobbieF Poor you benrob0329. 14:09 RobbieF you should make that your priority. 14:10 RobbieF why throw away money? 14:10 benrob0329 The 3¢ wouldn't be worth it at this point 14:10 RobbieF we all start at 3c. 14:10 benrob0329 But I probably should...ill add that to the list 14:10 RobbieF :D 14:10 benrob0329 The very long list 14:11 RobbieF meh, put it at the top 14:11 RobbieF I kicked myself when I started making video: didn't have adsense setup and one of my videos went viral. 14:11 RobbieF Lost hundreds in revenue 14:12 benrob0329 Aw, yeah that's probably good to setup 14:20 CWz hey RobbieF did you update your worldedit 14:20 CWz recently 14:21 RobbieF of course :D 14:21 CWz good job! 14:21 RobbieF thanks for watching out for us CWz 14:21 CWz no damage right? 14:22 RobbieF no. 14:22 RobbieF but yes, right. 14:34 Jordach RobbieF, reminder that i've got the best rigs in this community 14:35 Jordach with Blender specifically 14:36 benrob0329 With latest opencl improvements 14:36 Jordach benrob0329, rendered on CPU 14:36 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/V4gEiM1.png 14:36 benrob0329 I don't remember my score...I should redo it 14:37 benrob0329 Nice 14:37 * Jordach loads render kernels 14:38 Jordach >may take a few minutes 14:52 RobbieF Jordach what do you mean re. best rigs in community? 14:52 Jordach RobbieF, a set of templates i made about 2 years ago 14:53 Jordach since i got bored and intergrated PBR into the mix 14:54 RobbieF LOL I'm completely lost. No idea what you're talking about or why you pinged me :D 14:54 RobbieF maybe I missed something. 14:55 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/H3dgoDm.png ; http://i.imgur.com/6zykVm8.png 14:56 RobbieF That's awesome, but what has it to do with me (you pinged me) 14:56 RobbieF just showing me? 14:57 Jordach might be able to give you a hand with specific blender tool 14:57 Jordach s 14:57 RobbieF what do I have to do with Blender? 14:58 Jordach you might find them useful for thumbnails 15:01 RobbieF oh, for the show? 15:01 RobbieF That's a neat idea, thanks! 15:02 RobbieF I'm no Blender pro, that's for sure. 15:02 RobbieF Easy to do? 15:02 RobbieF Jordach please email me at robbie@category5.tv - will credit you as well. Thanks. 15:03 Jordach RobbieF, the template iirc is CC0 15:03 RobbieF mind emailing it? 15:03 Jordach one of them is modified to fit bastard textures 15:45 DS-minetest hi 15:45 * DS-minetest has an idea how to differ worlds client side 16:01 DS-minetest the client gives to the server on first join a number that will be saved in player file server side, this number is counted up after that client side (starting at 0). 16:01 DS-minetest the client can now get this number with a csm 16:02 DS-minetest => the player will have keys for server worlds 16:02 DS-minetest the number won't be the same for each player 16:03 DS-minetest (an unsigned int with a maximum of 2^16 would be enough) 16:04 DS-minetest do you understand what i mean? 16:05 DS-minetest and if yes, what do you think about that idea? 16:05 VanessaE depends what you seek to accomplish with this magic number 16:06 DS-minetest give ids to worlds 16:06 DS-minetest for client 16:06 DS-minetest for csm 16:06 VanessaE nah 16:06 VanessaE just hash the domain (or IP) + port 16:06 VanessaE use that as a unique identifier for the server 16:07 DS-minetest what if this ip or port changes but the same map is used? 16:07 kaeza it works for browsers, doesn't it? 16:07 DS-minetest we need an id for the world and that would perhaps work 16:07 VanessaE then the client initiates a challenge-response to negotiate a new key? 16:08 Calinou I managed to backport Sauerbraten SVN to be compatible with Collect Edition (stable servers) 16:08 Calinou so you get SDL 2 and many fixes (including security ones) 16:08 Calinou I'll put that on GitHub as a base (no other modifications will be done), then work on a simple client mod to add a few things and improve defaults 16:08 Calinou (crossposting from another channel) 16:08 Calinou if anyone plays Sauerbraten ^ 16:09 VanessaE client: "Hey, I have 12345 for you" Server: "fuck off, I don't use that now" Client: "I can haz new key 45678? that looks like you now" Server: "sure, okay." 16:09 DS-minetest huh? 16:10 VanessaE DS-minetest: nevermind, just kinda jabbering 16:26 red-001 isn't [off] for off-topic? 16:26 VanessaE no 16:26 VanessaE it's for off-the-record, keeps the chat out of the log 16:26 benrob0329 you will know how your system goes together, but there will be a learning curve 16:26 benrob0329 But its worth it imho 16:27 benrob0329 Before this, I couldnt even think.of compiling my own kernel, now its not even remotely daunting 16:28 VanessaE that's the one part that's standing in my way 16:28 VanessaE I haven't compiled my own kernel in like 10 years 16:28 benrob0329 its easy 16:28 benrob0329 You have a nice menu to select options 16:29 benrob0329 And then you make && make modules_install 16:29 benrob0329 make install 16:30 benrob0329 And run the grub makeconfig command (easily copied from the wiki) if you upgraded your kernel 16:31 benrob0329 you don't even need an initramfs if usr and var are in the same partition 16:37 benrob0329 VanessaE: do it, if nothing else you'll learn a lot by installing it. 16:37 Calinou neither systemd nor PulseAudio have been issues to me on Debian testing/Fedora/Ubuntu/Manjaro/Antergos 16:37 Calinou so, I don't care 16:37 Calinou I favor distros that use systemd (ie. most of them) because service files and systemd-nspawn are too good to miss 16:38 benrob0329 I wouldn't mind systemd, of everything didn't want to depend on it all of the sudden 16:38 benrob0329 I like modular components, it makes things easier to swap out 16:47 VanessaE benrob0329: there IS one thing pulse is good for - it can turn the volume up over 100% (I guess it amplifies?). can regular old ALSA do that? 16:47 VanessaE (it's useful for online videos. people seem to have an aversion to normalizing to -3dB 16:47 VanessaE ) 16:49 benrob0329 VanessaE: I use Pulse, as I have multiple audio cards and that can be painful to manage with just alsa 16:49 Calinou few programs actually depend on systemd, even Flatpak removed its systemd dependency last year 16:50 benrob0329 Except Logind, udev, Gnome, etc etc 16:50 benrob0329 You know, the actually important stuff 16:51 VanessaE mmmh 16:52 benrob0329 VanessaE: gentop devs formed udev into eudev for use without systemd 16:52 benrob0329 *gentoo 16:52 Krock o/ 16:52 benrob0329 \o Krock 16:53 red-001 hello Krock 16:54 VanessaE benrob0329: udev is another Achilles heal... plug in a thumb drive.. "hey, ok I see a thumb drive on USB... oh what's this? you have 12854543 other USB devices? let me scan those as well. Oh btw, sorry I just caused your 3d printer to disconnect. sux to be you." 16:54 VanessaE "oh...btw here's the contents of that thumb drive" 16:54 VanessaE (well that's thunar's domain) 16:55 Calinou my main problem with removable media on Linux is permission issues 16:56 benrob0329 I use Udevil + devmon for automounting 16:56 Calinou on many distros, you only have read-only access to them by default 16:56 Calinou Manjaro doesn't have this issue so far so I'm happy 16:56 Calinou I'm aware you can `sudo chown -R` the thing to fix it but it's nasty 16:56 Calinou (tell newbies to do that!) 16:57 Calinou once, my networking teacher gave me root access on one of the machines because of that :D 16:57 Calinou (temporarily) 16:57 benrob0329 (And ranger for a file manager, because lightweight/easy to compile ftw) 16:57 benrob0329 Udevil just works man 16:57 benrob0329 (Just be sure to have your user be in the plugdev group) 16:58 benrob0329 and then you add devmon to .bashrc or similar 16:58 VanessaE udevil? 16:58 benrob0329 Yes 16:58 VanessaE never heard of it 16:58 benrob0329 Can be used with several udev-like things 16:58 nerzhul sorry but gnome is not exactly dependant on systemd, gnome runs on Free/OpenBSD without systemd 16:58 benrob0329 Its a userspace mounting utility 16:59 benrob0329 nerzhul: with removed functionality 16:59 benrob0329 And its only 3.18, fyi 16:59 VanessaE as for gnome et al., I use XFCE anyways. please oh please tell me I can shitcan gtk3 and make apps only use gtk2? :) 16:59 VanessaE (I suppose not) 16:59 benrob0329 i3 here 16:59 benrob0329 Its nice and configurable 17:00 VanessaE i3? to me, that's the model of a 3d printer. 17:00 nerzhul benrob0329, no, you don't have many features removed 17:00 nerzhul VanessaE, if you like GTK, also use MT 0.3 please 17:01 benrob0329 Oh please don't start with gtk hate 17:01 benrob0329 Just dont 17:01 benrob0329 I've been there, done thay 17:01 Calinou Qt 5 master race! 17:01 benrob0329 QT - We reinvented the inventor or the wheel. 17:01 benrob0329 *of 17:02 benrob0329 I hate mobile keyboards 17:05 Shara Hello 17:06 benrob0329 hi Shara 17:06 VanessaE nerzhul: huh? 17:06 VanessaE and I don't hate gtk, I rather like it. I just hate gtk3. 17:06 nerzhul GTK2 i would say 17:07 shivajiva Evening Shara 17:07 benrob0329 Imgui ftw 17:08 VanessaE every gtk2 prog that moved to gtk3 broke under xfce because of that stupid menu bar thing and the way they do window decorations (or don't) 17:08 lisac thanks VanessaE 17:09 lisac Maybe MT could have a few official servers 17:10 VanessaE how "official" would they need to be? 17:11 lisac No idea. I haven't got that far 17:12 Fixer i will tell 17:13 VanessaE I mean, celeron55 used to run a server years ago. I don't imagine it has to be quite THAT official? 17:13 Fixer two servers: official stable and git, both vanilla, used for testing, reproducing bugs, etc, running under gdb 17:14 Fixer maybe third server: official git modded under gdb, to catch all kinds of bugs 17:14 VanessaE and both would be incredibly unpopular 17:14 VanessaE which unfortunately would make them rather less useful 17:14 nerzhul VanessaE, it's why sometimes you have a major release :p 17:14 sfan5 vanilla servers rarely have crashes 17:14 Krock official servers: top paid moderators, 24/7 support with the own hotline and matrix room 17:14 nerzhul yeah generally crash are triggered by very tricky mods 17:14 * CWz wonder about GTK5 17:15 garywhite Here's what I think you could do: If a lot of big changes are made to 0.5, then you could set up an official server just to showcase the new changes to MT for 0.5 17:15 Krock not to forget the last-gen Intel CPU, worth at least $2000 17:16 celeron55 we need to buy an IBM mainframe, then it's very official *insert doge meme* 17:16 nerzhul i have an AS 400 at work if needed :p 17:16 nerzhul i also have 2 servers with 3TB SSD + 256Go RAM which are not used 17:16 VanessaE celeron55: much cores. very fast. wow. 17:16 VanessaE :) 17:16 celeron55 8)) 17:17 Krock such fast. many amaze. top doge. 17:17 nerzhul maybe i can tell my IBM reseller if i can have a IBM power 8 with watson for MT server hosting 17:18 Fixer official server is good for only one thing right now: debug crashes 17:18 benrob0329 top kek 17:18 nerzhul crash are required, but as sfan5 said, without many mods it's difficult to trigger many crashes, and crash can be avoided if you add more unit tests to core but we are far from this 17:18 Shara no mods = not so much fun 17:19 Fixer Shara: anarchy servers 17:19 benrob0329 no mods should == fun 17:19 Shara should != is so 17:19 benrob0329 mrg == need more content 17:19 benrob0329 *mtg 17:19 VanessaE I could go for some Topkek about now :) 17:19 Fixer anarchy as official will be bad idea 17:19 benrob0329 ^^ 17:20 Shara Really bad 17:20 benrob0329 like, on a scale of 1-10 17:20 benrob0329 its negative 9000 17:20 nerzhul if you have official you need a team of moderator etc it's difficult to maintain 17:20 VanessaE I am willing to let my servers be considered official 17:20 benrob0329 but half the community hets 10 fps on them :-) 17:21 Shara If current servers were to be given that status, how to decide which get it? 17:21 VanessaE I have a good moderator team, a fast box with low 'net latency, and enough resources left to run a few more minetest instances easily 17:21 Shara I can't see such a thing working to be honest 17:21 nerzhul official server should be hosted by coredev to ensure it works just as intended 17:21 Krock Shara, the official ones that lead to the correct website to download this game *cough* 17:21 VanessaE nerzhul: "hosted by", or merely "operated by"? 17:22 Shara I have a core dev helping on one of mine... and it runs less well than the one I run alone :P 17:22 VanessaE nerzhul: I mean, someone has to supply the hardware to run it 17:22 benrob0329 lets keep the comunity game with comunity servers, and obviod conflict, shall we? 17:22 benrob0329 *ovoid 17:22 VanessaE avoid ** 17:22 Shara avoid* 17:22 Krock Shara, it's the dev's fault 17:22 Krock 100% 17:22 Fixer okay, just one official server: modded git with reasonable amount of popular mods under gdb with few moderators like VanessaE 17:22 nerzhul i have the hardware for it if needed, but i think we can discuss about this later, there are bug on the current branch to fix :p 17:22 Shara I think it's a silly idea anyway 17:22 VanessaE yeah 17:23 nerzhul you don't need GDB to run your server Fixer lol 17:23 Krock you need valingrid 17:23 nerzhul on FreeBSD coredumps are generated automaticly by default 17:23 Fixer nerzhul: to catch crashes 17:23 nerzhul and on linux you just need to enable a sysctl 17:23 VanessaE if you want valgrind, you're gonna need a supercomputer then :P 17:23 Fixer nerzhul: or call it Official Test Server 17:23 kaeza Fixer, so... VE-Survival? 17:23 Krock *valgrind if I could spell 17:23 nerzhul Official PTS 17:23 nerzhul :p 17:23 kaeza except for the gdb part 17:23 Fixer kaeza: does it produce gdb backtraces? 17:23 nerzhul a world running with valgrind means: unplayable 17:23 celeron55 i don't think an actual generally official server makes any sense but an official test server does 17:24 Shara Official test server could be useful 17:24 Fixer btw, I will remind everyone that I have strange memory increase over time on hometown server, please visit place i noted in that issue and use valgrind on it 17:24 nerzhul but how do you handle random peons which are there just for breaking your world ? 17:24 Fixer https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/5740 17:24 celeron55 nerzhul: it needs moderation and all that 17:24 VanessaE nerzhul: whitelist. 17:25 Shara Maybe test server shouldn't be on public list 17:25 Fixer whitelist is good enough 17:25 Shara Getting added to a list can be annoying 17:25 Shara Might put off people who would otherwise test 17:25 nerzhul if needed i can do it and host it 17:25 Fixer Shara: hard to say, redcrab was very succesful even with whitelist 17:26 nerzhul https://hub.docker.com/search/?isAutomated=0&isOfficial=0&page=1&pullCount=0&q=minetest&starCount=0 17:26 celeron55 make a server where the further from spawn you go, the slower it is to place blocks 17:26 nerzhul wow 17:26 Shara redcrab was a server to actually play on though 17:26 celeron55 and mine 17:26 VanessaE I kinda miss redcrab 17:26 lisac okay, maybe a better idea 17:26 lisac maybe older servers should get a higher position in the serverlist 17:26 celeron55 (yes, probably would create a very weird server) 17:26 Shara lisac: As far as I know they do? 17:27 red-001 lisac, they do 17:27 Shara age isn't really a great measure of worth by itself though 17:27 lisac yes, new servers still take top sometimes 17:27 Shara So it's good that many other things are looked at 17:27 Shara Though it makes me sad, since it keeps DL lower on the list than it would be 17:28 Shara Though maybe that's good, since DL is always full... 17:31 Fixer totally possible btw 17:32 Fixer benrob0329: yes 17:32 VanessaE [off[ oh, that 17:32 VanessaE fuck it 17:32 * VanessaE turns [off] off. :P 17:32 red-001 more [off]!!?!???! 17:33 Krock [off[ oh my gosh, leaked information 17:33 red-001 [off[ neat idea 17:33 CWz i don't think redcrab world will run in latest versions 17:34 benrob0329 we could make it 17:35 benrob0329 someone make a hacked client that can save the world and explore automatically, and leave it up all night 17:35 benrob0329 or tell someone else to do so 17:35 Fixer someone already did I think 17:36 red-001 Fixer, link? 17:36 Fixer no link 17:36 benrob0329 like, i could leave my desktop up and record it, put it on a server so people can download it 17:36 benrob0329 ofc, the client could get kicked 17:37 benrob0329 so progress would need to be saved 17:37 benrob0329 what would be needed to fool server to see you as an older client? 17:38 red-001 a lott 17:38 red-001 lot* 17:38 red-001 backporting the changes should be easier 17:38 red-001 when was map saving added? 17:38 Fixer benrob0329: you underestimate the size of that world 17:38 benrob0329 Fixer: yes 17:38 benrob0329 no 17:38 benrob0329 er 17:39 Fixer benrob0329: huge builds as far as 20000 away 17:39 benrob0329 this is true 17:39 benrob0329 can you fool the server to feed you the mapblocks? 17:39 red-001 no 17:40 benrob0329 darn 17:40 Krock map saving? 0.4.9 around then 17:40 benrob0329 oh, we're fine then 17:40 benrob0329 just need an alt name 17:41 red-001 does it matter? 17:41 benrob0329 yes 17:41 Krock oh 17:41 Krock 0.4.10 → 0.4.11 17:41 Krock http://dev.minetest.net/Changelog 17:42 Krock apparently it's newer than I thouht 17:42 Krock ^ red-001 17:54 Fixer "Can i change units in Sil (and/or maybe other angband forks and angband itself) to SI?" 17:54 Fixer Sil = roguelike game 17:54 Fixer too bad it does not use metric system 17:55 CWz damn old redcrab server is down 17:56 Fixer you sure? 17:56 CWz *screams* 17:56 CWz i couldn't connect 17:57 Fixer he visited forums: Last visited: 27 Jan 2017 15:54 17:57 Fixer his forum has sql error 18:19 * Jordach does the impossible and sort of figures out 1.8 compat 18:19 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/NJHOXAq.png 18:21 Jordach benrob0329, bow to your blender god 18:23 Jordach "AMD didn't show many benchmarks for their Radeon Vega GPU, though what they did show was highly impressive, with the results below showing the Vega easily beat Nvidia's Titan Xp in a range of 3D modelling applications." 18:23 Jordach >3D modelling 18:24 Jordach *autistic screeching* 18:24 benrob0329 Jordach: my knees don't work 18:24 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/cQaD0PM.png 18:26 benrob0329 Now port it to irrlicht 18:26 Jordach one moment 18:27 Jordach benrob0329, blob:http://imgur.com/b83c0b6d-dd49-4140-a99e-55888553608c 18:27 Jordach *autistic screeching* 18:27 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/Np7iDFY.png 18:27 benrob0329 Thays not irrlicht 18:28 Jordach good fucking luck 18:28 Jordach there's blender drivers controlling the simplest elements 18:28 Jordach it's not meant for ingame, its for rendering the fuck out of for thumbnails and shit 18:28 benrob0329 Then port it to BGE 18:28 Jordach *AUTISTIC RAGE* 18:28 benrob0329 Lol 18:28 Jordach Khronos plans to merge OpenCL and Vulkan into a single API 18:29 Jordach MOM GET THE CAMERA 18:29 benrob0329 Wait what??? 18:29 Jordach REST IN PIECES NVIDIA CUDA 18:29 Jordach https://www.overclock3d.net/news/software/khronos_plans_to_merge_opencl_and_vulkan_into_a_single_api/1 18:29 benrob0329 I don't need to camera, I NEED TO SEE THIS 18:29 Jordach CUDA gets BTFO by AMD 18:29 benrob0329 LONG LIVE OPENCL 18:29 benrob0329 er 18:30 benrob0329 LONG LIVE VULKAN 18:31 benrob0329 expect to see a TPS-meme video up today 18:31 Jordach benrob0329, all dem nvidia fanboys gun screech 18:31 Jordach inb4: Blender 2.8 to use Vulkan 18:31 garywhite memeep 18:31 benrob0329 I got nvidia because of blender, and now I can ditch nvidia thanks to Blender 18:32 benrob0329 life is gud 18:32 Jordach benrob0329, OpenCL support on my RX 480 is bretty gud 18:32 Jordach it even plays top AAA games maxed out without a sweat 18:32 benrob0329 Goodbye proprietary drivers!! 18:32 benrob0329 After I drop $900 that is.. 18:33 Jordach fun fact, my gpu is codenamed ellesmere 18:33 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/uJXdi2f.png 18:33 benrob0329 Ofc, I could sell my 980ti 18:34 Jordach benrob0329, downside is that GPU rendering for teh first time takes a few minuets 18:34 Jordach since the GPU has to compile it as a whole, and not streamed like cuda cores 18:34 Jordach slower to start, faster to render 18:34 Jordach from my own testing 18:34 benrob0329 Plan to drop nvidia: 18:35 Jordach (3 minutes to render initially with by PBR setup) 18:35 benrob0329 Buy beter amd gpu 18:35 benrob0329 Boot computer with nvidia 18:35 benrob0329 Uninstall nvidia drivers, delete xorg.conf 18:35 Jordach install Gentoo 18:36 benrob0329 I already run gentoo :PPP 18:36 Jordach -reinstall gentoo as it's gone wrong again 18:36 benrob0329 Heh, its pretty stabke actually 18:36 benrob0329 *stable 18:37 benrob0329 You get news when you update things 18:37 Jordach benrob0329, >wing commander for free as part of Origin Access 18:37 benrob0329 what's that? 18:38 Jordach >doesn't know of the DOS classic 18:38 Jordach even has the command and conquer collection 18:38 benrob0329 I haven't been into computer games for but the last few years 18:40 benrob0329 Basically, install amd drivers with nvidia booted, then enable proper frambuffer 18:40 benrob0329 Because nvidia screwed over the framebuffer and left us with efi fb only 18:41 benrob0329 But ill need the money to buy an amd gpu first 18:45 Fixer MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAKE A MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE 18:46 * CWz lifts his leg to fart 18:46 Fixer Krock: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDZh2F18waI 18:46 benrob0329 What is even happening 18:47 * Jordach shrugs 18:47 Krock <333 18:47 Jordach fuck this, i'm playing some BF1 18:47 Fixer Jordach: BF1942 18:47 Jordach Fixer, nah fam 18:48 Fixer with bots <3 18:48 benrob0329 FlightGear 18:48 benrob0329 Do we have fps servers yet? 18:49 benrob0329 honestly, once we get wielditem animation well be good to have a fully fledged FPS in MT 18:49 Fixer fps servers? 18:50 Fixer we need "wielditem animation" in MTG 18:50 Fixer totally agree 18:50 Fixer it is not 1982 or smth 18:51 Jordach benrob0329, wielditem anim 18:51 Jordach fuck that 18:51 Jordach give us wieldmeshes 18:51 Jordach like meshnodes with that capability 18:51 benrob0329 With animation 18:51 benrob0329 it'd be called with the same api 18:52 Fixer yesterdays house I've noticed has been improved: https://i.imgur.com/Etp9ehr.png 18:53 Jordach >wood box 18:54 Fixer yep 18:54 Shara Beats wool box 18:54 Fixer ha 18:54 Fixer chicken walked into solid block and exploded 18:54 Fixer (...) 18:54 Fixer need to ask tidyman about that 18:54 benrob0329 Beats cobble boc 18:55 benrob0329 *x 18:55 benrob0329 Gosh, I suck at typing on my phone 18:57 Shara Ekk, you all just came very close to getting some cat typing here. 18:58 Shara Silly kitten just typed about three lines of nonsense, but could not find enter 19:01 benrob0329 Heh 19:01 benrob0329 https://youtu.be/3XAW3vv1_18 19:16 tenplus1 hi folks 19:16 Raven262 Greetings, tenplus1 19:16 tenplus1 hi raven 19:17 benrob0329 (Some swearing) https://youtu.be/1K5jo9gk9LQ 19:17 tenplus1 hi ben 19:17 benrob0329 tenplus1: does playerplus only have knockback for mobs? 19:17 benrob0329 Hi 19:17 benrob0329 Er 19:17 benrob0329 Knockback for players 19:17 benrob0329 By player punched 19:17 benrob0329 *es 19:18 tenplus1 it has many effects but when player is hit the object doing the hitting must supply vector position for it to work.. so mobs, tnt etv 19:18 benrob0329 Mobs don't seem to 19:18 benrob0329 or do only some mobs do it? 19:18 tenplus1 any mobs who punch... 19:19 tenplus1 any particular mob not working ? 19:19 benrob0329 hmm 19:19 benrob0329 Dirt/sand so far 19:19 benrob0329 Will test with others 19:20 tenplus1 those dfinitely work.. is it latest playerplus ? 19:20 benrob0329 Just got it from git last night 19:20 tenplus1 chckinv 19:24 tenplus1 works fine... I did add a new 'no_knockback' priv to disable it for certain players, so if you grant yourself all privs it wont work 19:25 benrob0329 player>player knockback works 19:25 benrob0329 But mob punching player does not 19:25 tenplus1 weird... I just got knocked around with sand and dirt monsters... worked ok with latest git ?!?!/ 19:26 benrob0329 Hold on 19:26 benrob0329 I can't revoke privs as admin 19:26 benrob0329 Wth 19:27 benrob0329 I can't revoke my privs as server admin 19:27 tenplus1 ehehe 19:27 benrob0329 Whu 19:27 tenplus1 blame minetest :) some of the privs you cant revoke.. 19:27 benrob0329 Why, who thought this was a good idea? 19:28 benrob0329 Works now 19:28 benrob0329 Was no_knockback priv 19:28 tenplus1 :) glad it works now 19:29 tenplus1 was something I added for robbie 19:29 benrob0329 This is very awkward feeling though, we need a knoclback api 19:29 tenplus1 we have a pull request for c++ knockback... 19:29 tenplus1 hopefully that'll get in 19:29 rubenwardy privileges should give you the right to do something 19:29 rubenwardy so the admin having all privileges makes sense 19:29 Jordach next thing you know you'll need a priv to breathe 19:29 Jordach Minetest, the ultimate shitlord 19:29 tenplus1 hi ruben, hi jordach 19:30 rubenwardy yo 19:30 benrob0329 rubenwardy: but privs are used for more than just admining 19:30 benrob0329 Games ofteb use them for specific things 19:30 rubenwardy if you're using a privilege for anything else other than the permission to do something then you're misusing them 19:31 Jordach ^^ 19:31 Jordach use them sparingly 19:31 rubenwardy ie: they shouldn't be used for classes 19:31 benrob0329 tell that to mods 19:31 kaeza Jordach, http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=240 19:31 benrob0329 Like just now 19:31 benrob0329 no_knockback priv 19:31 Jordach kaeza, fuck me, what year is it? 2007? 19:31 benrob0329 It makes sense 19:31 benrob0329 But I can't revoke it for testing 19:32 tenplus1 hi kaeza 19:32 kaeza greetings, tenplus1 19:32 benrob0329 Saying that I *need* to have all privs is a shit argument 19:32 benrob0329 No offense 19:32 Jordach use player attributes 19:32 Jordach they're useful for this kind of thing 19:32 Jordach handing out privs like it's candy will end up making mods incompatible 19:33 Jordach for people who want to do proper programming practices seem quite shit at doing so 19:33 tenplus1 this was only used for a 3d_armor piece that stops knockback.. nothing else really 19:33 Jordach and it's overkill 19:34 Jordach a player attribute is the same, but with far better storage 19:34 Jordach player:set_attribute("armor_kb_resist", ) 19:34 Jordach player:get_attribute("armor_kb_resist") 19:34 tenplus1 good idea, will look into that one 19:35 Jordach when i've got better development practices than most of the big players in MT, something is definitely wrong here 19:35 Jordach and i'm using windows for fuck sakes 19:35 Fixer tenplus1: chicken walked into solid block and exploded 19:35 tenplus1 exoloded ? 19:36 benrob0329 Went boom, nuked the whole town 19:36 tenplus1 kewl 19:36 Fixer tenplus1: yeah, exploded 19:36 Fixer tenplus1: "exploded" 19:36 Jordach uhhh 19:37 Fixer tenplus1: i was zooming... watching at that chicken walking across, suddenly it walked into block and "exploded" 19:37 Jordach why is enabling mods done with a checkbox 19:37 Jordach yet modpacks are with a button 19:37 tenplus1 weird... that doesnt normally happen unless something is under chicken and blowing things up 19:37 Jordach :thinking: 19:37 benrob0329 Jordach: fix it 19:37 Hijiri using player attributes directly will still lead to mod incompatibility 19:37 Jordach Hijiri, no 19:37 tenplus1 hi Hijiri 19:37 Fixer Jordach: modpacks are so broken, don't mind that button 19:37 benrob0329 Add actual check boxes whilst your at it 19:37 Hijiri hi 11 19:37 Jordach you're expected to keep the _name standard 19:38 Hijiri Jordach: right, so no other mods can affect armor resistance? 19:38 Jordach Hijiri, then they read that value 19:38 Jordach by depending on the mod that provides armor 19:38 Hijiri ah, ok 19:38 benrob0329 Can we have slippery nodes? 19:39 tenplus1 that would be amazing :)))))) my builtin_item mod has dropped items being pushed by water and sliding along ice 19:39 rubenwardy stylistic choice, but : is more used 19:39 rubenwardy ie: formspecs 19:39 Hijiri Jordach: that mod still has to provide code to merge mod modifications though 19:39 rubenwardy and in mtg 19:39 Hijiri it's not solved just by using attributes 19:39 Jordach Hijiri, considering armour isn't a standard 19:39 Jordach and most armour addons generally depend on it already 19:39 Jordach is there a difference? 19:40 Hijiri difference between what? 19:40 benrob0329 *Armor should be a standard 19:40 Jordach Hijiri, armour isn;t a default mod 19:40 Jordach benrob0329, we're not minecraft, fucking QUIT IT 19:40 Hijiri Why does it matter if it's a default mod 19:40 benrob0329 Were not idiots, you quit it. 19:41 Jordach >missing the point 19:41 Hijiri I"m missing the point, yes 19:41 benrob0329 What? MC happened to have armour, so now we're forbidden to have it? 19:41 Jordach benrob0329, "muh clone" 19:41 benrob0329 Wtf kind of logic is that? 19:41 Jordach you shouldn't have to have parity with another thing just to call yourself something else 19:41 Jordach be goddamn original 19:41 Jordach i remember people crying their brains out over terraria 19:42 benrob0329 Then what else are we gonna have? 19:42 benrob0329 Body ar...oh wait 19:42 benrob0329 Bullt proof vests, oh wait no guns 19:42 Fixer https://i.imgur.com/KJV2eee.png eyes bleed 19:42 benrob0329 Helmets? No that's armor 19:42 Jordach benrob0329, perhaps consider the fact you have a handwavium ore: mese 19:43 tenplus1 erk, so much green 19:43 Hijiri we need to imagine a new way to represent damage resistance that isn't armor pieces 19:43 benrob0329 So what? Make armor out of mese? 19:43 Jordach might be able to produce a suitable force field for my things 19:43 Hijiri since MC is already parked on that paradigm 19:43 benrob0329 Oh wait no we can't do that 19:43 Jordach magical shielding sounds dank as fuck 19:43 tenplus1 ooh, druid charms for protection ?? 19:43 benrob0329 Shields are "too advanced" for mtg as far as I've seen 19:43 tenplus1 protecvtion runes for all sorts of effects :D 19:43 Hijiri While we're doing that let's change how the game industry thinks about health 19:43 benrob0329 Druid? hell no 19:43 tenplus1 aww 19:43 Jordach benrob0329, maybe totems 19:43 Jordach ;) 19:43 Hijiri instead of health points, you have health items that go away when you take damage 19:44 Hijiri MC has health points so it would be unoriginal to have those 19:44 Jordach Hijiri, i wasn't literal 19:44 Jordach most mobile clients don't know of other games maybe barring xanadu and a few others 19:44 Jordach s/clients/users/g 19:44 benrob0329 How about...armor, because its f*cking practical. 19:45 Jordach a game shouldn't have to be practical 19:45 benrob0329 We can add real clothing whilst were at it and be civilized 19:45 Hijiri Jordach: so you weren't literal when you said that MT shouldn't include wearable armor because MC has it? 19:45 Jordach benrob0329, https://github.com/Jordach/Solar_Plains/blob/master/mods/wardrobe/init.lua :thinking: 19:45 benrob0329 its a skin creator 19:45 Jordach benrob0329, same difference, is it not? 19:46 Shara We're arguing over whether MT should have armour or not on the basis of another game having it?? 19:46 benrob0329 No, clothing has practical uses 19:46 benrob0329 Like, where a coat because its -30 outside 19:46 Hijiri I'm arguing over whether you should argue over whether should have armor or not on the basis of another game having it 19:46 benrob0329 Otherwise you'll die of frostbite 19:46 Jordach tfw baited 19:46 * Shara takes Hijiri's side 19:46 tenplus1 hi shara 19:46 Hijiri I'm not baiting 19:47 Jordach i take neither side in MTG shenanigans 19:47 Hijiri you still haven't clarified, did you really mean to say that armor shouldn't be included because MC has it? 19:47 Hijiri or were you not being literal 19:47 Jordach Hijiri, never literal 19:47 Hijiri what did you mean then? 19:47 Jordach shouldn't have to follow something to a T 19:47 benrob0329 I dont give a crap what MC does and does not have in it 19:48 Hijiri I'm not sure how else you would do wearable armor 19:48 rubenwardy This is the first time I've ever seen a MC-related argument in a MT channel 19:48 rubenwardy well, that I remember 19:48 benrob0329 Ok so we do something different from medieval style armor 19:48 benrob0329 I'm down for that 19:48 rubenwardy nice breeze from tabs v spaces, editors, or linux 19:48 benrob0329 But wearables in general would be nice 19:48 Jordach benrob0329, the best part about using magic is that there's no rules if you don't have them ;) 19:49 benrob0329 I don't need rules for scifi 19:49 benrob0329 Its called fiction for a reason 19:49 Jordach benrob0329, same difference, isn't it? 19:49 rubenwardy you do need consistent rules for magic, even if they're not realistic at all 19:49 rubenwardy otherwise the user will call b 19:49 rubenwardy *bs 19:49 benrob0329 Jordach: magic is a discussion I do not wish to get into 19:50 Hijiri you could just have magic do whatever is convenient at the time and call it the law of preordained harmony 19:50 benrob0329 Someone will get on my ass about religion if I do. 19:51 * Shara wonders how preordained harmony would be coded 19:51 benrob0329 Or, do something original, and not just blame magic like every other thing 19:51 Hijiri at one point I thought about making a demonic-themed ritual magic mod to get that person on my ass 19:52 benrob0329 Why can't the laws of the universe be different from out own? 19:52 tenplus1 oooh nice 19:52 Hijiri I doubt I will work on anything like that anytime soon though, since I have other mods I'm working on 19:52 Hijiri "working on" - not really since I have a project due Fi 19:52 Hijiri Fri* 19:54 benrob0329 But come on, what is this the 1600s? 19:54 benrob0329 Not everything you don't understand is magic 19:56 Hijiri in many magic settings magic is presented as just being different laws of physics 19:56 Hijiri that amount to something that looks like fantasy magic 19:56 Hijiri or maybe something more novel but still feels magicky 20:13 tenplus1 nite fokls 20:13 tenplus1 *folks :P 20:29 * Jordach gets to finishing off the redone menu 20:30 * Jordach thinks about changing the enable mod checkbox to a button 20:33 Jordach >-- game mods can't be enabled or disabled 20:33 Jordach *triggered* 20:44 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/dF1v30n.png 20:44 Jordach made a few textual changes to make it more obvious what each switch does 21:00 benrob0329 Jordach: nice, but i still dont like the green 21:06 Calinou so I'm looking at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/archived/Game-Server-HOWTO/quakeworld.html 21:06 Calinou the system requirements break my workflow! 21:06 Calinou /s 21:07 Calinou (my VPS has 15 GB of RAM, and they suggest 16 MB of RAM there… so I have almost 1,000 times more) 21:08 * benrob0329 waits for pixabay account activation email 21:08 Calinou I have an account on Pixabay since like 2 years ago 21:09 benrob0329 >spams refresh 21:09 benrob0329 i havent bothered, just used captcha 21:09 benrob0329 but i dont want to deal with it anymore 21:09 benrob0329 id log in with FB but it always fails 21:10 * garywhite has to look up pixabay now 21:10 benrob0329 ugggg, i hate slow email services 21:10 benrob0329 its like, you want me to sign up, but its taking an hour for your email to send 21:11 benrob0329 (its not my email because steam nots get through within a minute) 21:11 nerzhul nice ! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCbHlBqK6Vk 21:13 benrob0329 lol 21:13 benrob0329 faith in humanity...oh its that song 21:13 benrob0329 nvm 21:20 Fixer not this bullshit again... https://i.imgur.com/UPj98ka.png 21:24 benrob0329 Hometown? 21:31 Jordach :^) 21:31 Jordach that was fast 21:31 Jordach i possibly fucked up my knee somehow 21:32 Jordach benrob0329, i'm not using blue 21:32 benrob0329 I didnt say to use blue 21:32 benrob0329 just...something else 21:32 benrob0329 something more neutral 21:32 benrob0329 for the buttons 21:32 benrob0329 the mod list is fine 21:38 benrob0329 Jordach: im making a a kek video 21:52 Jordach benrob0329, http://i.imgur.com/5tFM3Y5.png 21:56 Fixer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43zOwm34hqQ as usual 21:57 benrob0329 Jordach: better 22:01 Jordach mransom, <3 22:02 Jordach >Big Freaking Dig 22:02 Jordach feel free to replace that with my eventually released Solar Plains which is the simplified successor 22:04 Fixer https://i.imgur.com/Z2R3SvA.png 22:06 Jordach benrob0329, that's literally the same colour as before 22:06 Jordach (based off of the menu selector table) 22:09 * Jordach feels like setting a temp var to display current password 22:09 Jordach for tableteers 22:09 Jordach (my phone does this in certain apps) 22:17 * Jordach sets GPU to render 22:20 Jordach benrob0329, ayy lmao 22:20 Jordach even with performance limiters enabled on my GPU 22:21 Jordach it can render a 512 samples quickly 22:23 Jordach 1m53s at 1080p, 512 samples 22:28 Fixer 3 085 036 KB 22:43 Fixer no freaking way http://static2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20051015120123/doom/images/1/1f/Batman_terrorist.png 22:48 Fixer ＣＹＢＥＲＮＩＣＯＴＩＮＩＳＭ 23:43 * garywhite fires up his Windows 3.1 VM 23:44 * Jordach feels bad 23:44 Jordach i looked at the state of winamp 23:44 garywhite about what? 23:49 Jordach >winamp 23:55 benrob0329 who uses Winamp anymore? 23:55 benrob0329 Jordach: kekness is rendering