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Fixer |
red-005: testing will take lots of time, since I have no way reproducing it apart from sitting on server waiting for that fucker with invalid chars |
| 00:00 |
Fixer |
red-005: i hope it helps anyway |
| 00:00 |
Fixer |
red-005: if it does not crash for long away, or other devs approve it for sure, will see |
| 00:08 |
Shara |
Hi KaadmY. I assume it's you rubenwardy was trying to add, so I just did it :) |
| 00:09 |
KaadmY |
Yeah |
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Calinou |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/1443#issuecomment-264697934 |
| 00:40 |
Calinou |
heh |
| 00:41 |
Calinou |
I should -1 these comments whenever I see them, lol |
| 00:41 |
Calinou |
GitLab allows arbitrary emoji as reactions, but GitHub doesn't :( |
| 00:41 |
Calinou |
else :suspect: would make a very good emoji for this kind of stuff :P |
| 00:44 |
benrob0329 |
Calinou: why dont we use gitlab then? :P |
| 00:44 |
benrob0329 |
I joined Github because of the fact that minetest is on there |
| 00:44 |
Calinou |
heh |
| 00:44 |
Calinou |
popularity, I guess |
| 00:44 |
Calinou |
GitHub is far more known than GitLab |
| 00:44 |
Calinou |
I told someone about GitLab recently, they did not even know about it |
| 00:45 |
Calinou |
but they knew about BitBucket for some reason |
| 00:45 |
benrob0329 |
heh |
| 00:45 |
Calinou |
also, someone sent me this video, it's almost 10 years old |
| 00:45 |
Calinou |
lol |
| 00:45 |
Calinou |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RStHv63xgWk |
| 00:45 |
Calinou |
4:3 240p in all its glory |
| 00:45 |
davisonio |
Gitlab is really good feature wise but everyone uses GH or BB because everyone's on it |
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Hijiri |
I think it has problems with scaling |
| 01:39 |
Hijiri |
A space station 13 fork (large codebase for whatever reason) tried to migrate to gitlab but kept having problems |
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benrob0329 |
heyyy |
| 05:27 |
benrob0329 |
i got userspace mounting to work |
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benrob0329 |
and automounting on top of thay |
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benrob0329 |
Hi lumidify, nerzhul |
| 05:59 |
lumidify |
Hi benrob0329 |
| 06:00 |
benrob0329 |
Whats up? |
| 06:01 |
lumidify |
The sky :P |
| 06:02 |
benrob0329 |
Heh, well I got udevil + devmon working: P |
| 06:02 |
lumidify |
Oooh, that was actually on my list of things to do... I should do that sometime |
| 06:03 |
benrob0329 |
its not hard, just gotta remember to add yourself to the right group to execute /usr/bin/udevil |
| 06:04 |
benrob0329 |
don't remember what it was off the top of my head |
| 06:04 |
benrob0329 |
Its just ater 2 in the morning here, I should go to bed |
| 06:05 |
lumidify |
I'll look it up whenever I have time |
| 06:05 |
benrob0329 |
Gnight, see ya'll in several hours |
| 06:05 |
lumidify |
Good night! |
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shivajiva |
Hi nerzhul |
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| 08:29 |
tenplus1 |
hi folks |
| 08:31 |
atorian37 |
hi all, need help how to load worledit mod from github, have not done that till today. I am using linux shell with ssh/tmux. |
| 08:32 |
tenplus1 |
hi zeno, hi atorian37 |
| 08:33 |
Zeno` |
hi three |
| 08:33 |
nerzhul |
hi shivajiva |
| 08:33 |
atorian37 |
i loaded the worldedit.zip from release page but that one seems to be leaky |
| 08:33 |
Zeno` |
(tenplus1) |
| 08:33 |
tenplus1 |
hi nrz :P |
| 08:34 |
atorian37 |
someone crashed the server with a chat command... |
| 08:35 |
VanessaE |
atorian37: get rid of the worldedit_gui mod |
| 08:35 |
VanessaE |
just delete that component from the modpack |
| 08:36 |
tenplus1 |
hi Vanessa |
| 08:36 |
tenplus1 |
seems the _gui is being a real pain lately |
| 08:36 |
VanessaE |
hi. |
| 08:37 |
shivajiva |
Hi ten |
| 08:37 |
shivajiva |
Hi Vanessa |
| 08:37 |
tenplus1 |
hi shiva :P |
| 08:37 |
atorian37 |
VanessaE Hi VanessaE, thanks I will do that. So also the newest release ist leaky? |
| 08:37 |
shivajiva |
no it's patched |
| 08:38 |
VanessaE |
atorian37: I don't know what the "newest release" actually IS. |
| 08:38 |
VanessaE |
a zip may not be the current git HEAD of worldedit |
| 08:38 |
atorian37 |
VanessaE, hmm mybe 1.1, not sure at all. |
| 08:39 |
shivajiva |
https://github.com/Uberi/Minetest-WorldEdit |
| 08:39 |
VanessaE |
atorian37: just get rid of the _gui component and it should be fine. check your auth.txt, make sure no one has privs that shouldn't. check your config files in the world dir also, make sure none of them contain any code (as opposed to just settings). delete any that do. enable mod security if you haven't already. |
| 08:40 |
shivajiva |
I use this cmd /lua for name,stuff in pairs(minetest.auth_table) do if stuff.privileges["protection_bypass"] == true then minetest.chat_send_player("shivajiva", name.." has protection_bypass priv") end end |
| 08:40 |
shivajiva |
when the server is running |
| 08:41 |
shivajiva |
easily changed for any priv |
| 08:41 |
atorian37 |
cool thank you all for the hints |
| 08:41 |
VanessaE |
I just `grep "server" auth.txt` |
| 08:41 |
VanessaE |
anyone who shows up with that priv and shouldn't gets stripped of privs and possibly banned. |
| 08:42 |
shivajiva |
yea I used to but this is nice for on the fly checking when a suspect is online |
| 08:44 |
shivajiva |
from irc as well ;) |
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| 08:50 |
CWz |
hey VanessaE |
| 08:50 |
tenplus1 |
hi CWz |
| 08:50 |
VanessaE |
hi |
| 08:53 |
shivajiva |
Have you ever seen your personal information on a public forum? Have you even seen your personal information “grayed out� If you have, know that it is not only cowardly, but also illegal. There is a name for it: doxing. |
| 08:55 |
shivajiva |
Doxing is always illegal, whether it is done against a federal employee, a state employee, or a regular person. There are federal and state laws that specifically address doxing government employees. With regular citizens, doxing falls under various state criminal laws, such as stalking, cyberstalking, harassment, threats, and other such laws, depending on the state. |
| 08:56 |
CWz |
shivajiva, huh? |
| 08:56 |
CWz |
You've been doxed? |
| 08:56 |
shivajiva |
for the record :) |
| 08:56 |
shivajiva |
what do you call what OC is doing? |
| 08:56 |
CWz |
What is he doing. did he dox someone? |
| 08:57 |
shivajiva |
minetest.org |
| 08:57 |
VanessaE |
has he spread more than just a general location (city, county)? i.e. phone number, home address, that sort of thing? |
| 08:57 |
VanessaE |
minetest.org tl;dr |
| 08:58 |
shivajiva |
he's tying nicks to real identities or attempting to, where is the line? |
| 08:58 |
VanessaE |
that's the line. |
| 08:58 |
shivajiva |
okay |
| 08:58 |
VanessaE |
personally identifying info as we call it here. |
| 08:58 |
CWz |
tl;dr |
| 08:58 |
atorian37 |
VanessaE Thanks, I am set so far I think, I have checked, no one but me has "server" as a priv, I removed the _gui part of worldedit mod and mod security was already on. thank you! in the log i see a player starting a chat an then the log only shows "ERROR[SERVER] please update your worldedit version. it leaks" |
| 08:58 |
VanessaE |
a person's real name is verboten. |
| 08:59 |
CWz |
quote pz |
| 08:59 |
VanessaE |
atorian37: ah, I know the source of that. you're probably safe now that you removed that mod. |
| 08:59 |
Zeno` |
Nore's real name is in credits |
| 08:59 |
Zeno` |
so is mine |
| 08:59 |
Zeno` |
so is celeron55's |
| 08:59 |
tenplus1 |
did you provide your names fore credits ? |
| 08:59 |
Zeno` |
so is hmmmm's |
| 08:59 |
VanessaE |
atorian37: a certain white hat among the community did that for your protection. |
| 08:59 |
Zeno` |
yes |
| 09:00 |
VanessaE |
Zeno`: all illegal, since none of the above gave permission for their names to be displayed so. |
| 09:00 |
Zeno` |
huh? We did give permission for them to be displayed in the credits tab |
| 09:00 |
Zeno` |
and also on github |
| 09:00 |
nerzhul |
what is the problem ? |
| 09:00 |
VanessaE |
(mind you, I don't care about my real name being shown versus an alias, rather I don't want my name or nick being shown at all, period) |
| 09:00 |
VanessaE |
Zeno`: that's a different matter. |
| 09:01 |
VanessaE |
the credits page of Minetest is a limited-exposure medium, |
| 09:01 |
VanessaE |
a web page isn't. |
| 09:01 |
VanessaE |
people gave their permission to include their names in the credits, not on OC's website. |
| 09:01 |
VanessaE |
problem is if you ask for removal, well... Streisand Effect. |
| 09:03 |
tenplus1 |
may I borrow someone's c++ skills in minetest please ? |
| 09:03 |
tenplus1 |
hi celeron55 |
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| 09:04 |
tenplus1 |
hi richard |
| 09:04 |
CWz |
i shmell a Var camming |
| 09:04 |
shivajiva |
And as Lt Columbo always says: Just one more thing ... “Bullies are cowards.†Always push back. |
| 09:04 |
CWz |
the follovers of OC vs the MT People |
| 09:05 |
* CWz |
rans avay |
| 09:05 |
celeron55 |
i set proper flags for so many people, but apparently not for myself, lol |
| 09:05 |
shivajiva |
lol |
| 09:06 |
celeron55 |
i wanted to say: defamation is also a thing |
| 09:06 |
shivajiva |
v.true |
| 09:06 |
CWz |
Has there been any more attacks on servers |
| 09:06 |
VanessaE |
quite true. |
| 09:06 |
* CWz |
is away from the keyboard. |
| 09:08 |
shivajiva |
CWz: I have not heard of any incidences today as yet |
| 09:11 |
atorian37 |
VanessaE oh ok, so I will thank him/her later for that information. do you mean to completely remove it or only the _gui part? |
| 09:11 |
VanessaE |
atorian37: just remove the _gui component. |
| 09:11 |
VanessaE |
you can update it to latest git HEAD, but removing it is easier |
| 09:11 |
VanessaE |
and no one really uses it anyway |
| 09:12 |
atorian37 |
VanessaE ok I did...puh thanks. |
| 09:17 |
* tenplus1 |
hides everything |
| 09:18 |
paramat |
wise |
| 09:20 |
VanessaE |
paramat: tenplus1 is a wiseass anyway ;) |
| 09:20 |
tenplus1 |
my ass has a deploma |
| 09:20 |
shivajiva |
LOL |
| 09:20 |
VanessaE |
lol |
| 09:23 |
tenplus1 |
sadly not for c++ code :PPPP |
| 09:23 |
tenplus1 |
am googling a lot here trying to fix this |
| 09:37 |
nerzhul |
paramat, it has no interest, it's written in our git log :) |
| 09:38 |
nerzhul |
and this problem is a non problem in fact, we just don't care, he cannot do anything to us |
| 09:39 |
paramat |
yeah |
| 09:45 |
* CWz |
is lucky that he never gives out information |
| 09:45 |
CWz |
I don't even giveout my email adresss |
| 09:45 |
CWz |
*personal email addresses |
| 09:46 |
tenplus1 |
+1 |
| 09:47 |
CWz |
got to the part where he doxes Nore |
| 09:47 |
tenplus1 |
oo.O |
| 09:48 |
CWz |
dang, the ones who siad OC was doxxing wasn't kidding |
| 09:48 |
shivajiva |
:/ |
| 09:48 |
shivajiva |
You can usually tell when I'm kidding |
| 09:50 |
DI3HARD139 |
Not sure if this is the appropriate channel to ask this in but, Were there changes to how the mapgens write to the database? I attempted to rollback to 0.4.14 due to mass instability issues but its complaining about version mismatching |
| 09:50 |
tenplus1 |
eek |
| 09:50 |
CWz |
It a missmatch made in hell |
| 09:50 |
shivajiva |
not sure you can go back, can anyone confirm? |
| 09:51 |
paramat |
yes there was mapblock version bump |
| 09:51 |
paramat |
in recent master |
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| 09:51 |
paramat |
will link details .. |
| 09:51 |
DI3HARD139 |
Alrighty then. Guess will remove and recompile 0.4.15 |
| 09:52 |
tenplus1 |
hi ruben |
| 09:52 |
shivajiva |
o/ |
| 09:52 |
DI3HARD139 |
Hello ruben |
| 09:53 |
paramat |
are you rolling back from a recent 0.4.15dev? |
| 09:54 |
DI3HARD139 |
If ~26 days is recent enough then yep |
| 09:55 |
* tenplus1 |
turns rollback off anyhoo :P |
| 09:55 |
paramat |
see 1st post here https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/4682 |
| 09:56 |
paramat |
that PR was merged 13 Feb |
| 09:56 |
shivajiva |
don't you want a 13 Gb rollback file ten? |
| 09:56 |
tenplus1 |
lol, I disable for performance gain... server backed up when I need it |
| 09:56 |
DI3HARD139 |
Try a 30GB log file |
| 09:59 |
paramat |
'instability issues' as in you were fed up with using a dev version? |
| 09:59 |
DI3HARD139 |
hmmm??? |
| 10:00 |
DI3HARD139 |
Oh no. Just general issues. Unable to write to files, Files randomly disappearing after server crashes after hitting memory errors, Mods randomly unloading themselves |
| 10:01 |
DI3HARD139 |
alrighty then... missed a few words there |
| 10:01 |
shivajiva |
I have wondered what the performance hit was and if it was significantly increased with db size using rollback |
| 10:01 |
DI3HARD139 |
memory errors = hitting lua memory limit |
| 10:01 |
CWz |
DI3HARD139, did you update worldedit_gui |
| 10:02 |
DI3HARD139 |
Tried to. Crashes on load. I last tried a week ago though. |
| 10:02 |
VanessaE |
DI3HARD139: any messages in the log? |
| 10:02 |
VanessaE |
like a warning telling you to update? |
| 10:02 |
DI3HARD139 |
Nope none |
| 10:02 |
VanessaE |
ok |
| 10:03 |
VanessaE |
(someone here, I won't name names, used the exploit to take down several servers, just to warn their owners to update for safety sake) |
| 10:03 |
DI3HARD139 |
I wonder if that has something to do with all my servers having the profiles reset... |
| 10:04 |
tenplus1 |
lol |
| 10:04 |
DI3HARD139 |
I kid you not. auths, player save files, ban lists were wiped |
| 10:04 |
shivajiva |
I informed all the admins on DI3HARD139's server when skyblocks was hit so plebs has been sorting things |
| 10:05 |
DI3HARD139 |
I'll have to ask what he's checked. I know the profiles are back. Gotta love MySQL |
| 10:05 |
DI3HARD139 |
at least the auths anyways |
| 10:06 |
VanessaE |
sure, a full disk can result in deleted files |
| 10:06 |
DI3HARD139 |
Updating worldedit now while I have the worlds down |
| 10:06 |
VanessaE |
had something similar happen recently |
| 10:07 |
VanessaE |
due to huge rollback logs and huge debug logs |
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| 10:07 |
VanessaE |
and too many days' worth of backups |
| 10:07 |
DI3HARD139 |
You using 3x 120GB SSDs as well? |
| 10:07 |
tenplus1 |
hi fixer |
| 10:07 |
VanessaE |
2x 300 GB SSD in striped RAID |
| 10:07 |
Fixer |
hi |
| 10:07 |
DI3HARD139 |
dang. knew I should've chosen that one :P |
| 10:07 |
CWz |
DI3HARD139, sorry for your loss |
| 10:08 |
shivajiva |
I know that one Vanessa, only the once, lesson learned :/ |
| 10:08 |
DI3HARD139 |
Nah. 26.1GB | 83.1GB | 59.2GB free on the drives |
| 10:08 |
CWz |
VanessaE, would it be a good idea to start server instances under a diffrent username? |
| 10:10 |
DI3HARD139 |
Imma also snag 0.2.20110731_3 just for something to do later |
| 10:10 |
CWz |
0.2 mt server? |
| 10:11 |
DI3HARD139 |
idk which it is. Not sure when the server portion was added. |
| 10:11 |
VanessaE |
CWz: if you want, I can create you a new account for the purpose. you may want to consider running ALL of your server instances from there. |
| 10:12 |
CWz |
i also wonder if there's much point to that, since all i have in the home folder is minetest servers. |
| 10:14 |
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| 10:14 |
VanessaE |
well, I have my own account on my server, but my minetest instances have their own account also |
| 10:14 |
VanessaE |
but then again, I have more than just minetest instances running, like my website. |
| 10:14 |
shivajiva |
Fixer: o/ |
| 10:14 |
VanessaE |
morning, Fixer_ |
| 10:17 |
DI3HARD139 |
morning fixer |
| 10:20 |
DI3HARD139 |
Quick question. Whats the difference between an "A" record and a "CNAME" record? |
| 10:20 |
VanessaE |
a CNAME record is like a symbolic link |
| 10:21 |
VanessaE |
an A record is like the original file |
| 10:21 |
shivajiva |
The A record maps a name to one or more IP addresses, when the IP are known and stable. The CNAME record maps a name to another name. It should only be used when there are no other records on that name. The ALIAS record maps a name to another name, but in turns it can coexist with other records on that name. |
| 10:21 |
VanessaE |
if you compare it to a filesystemn, that is |
| 10:22 |
rubenwardy |
you should prefer a cname record if you're pointing at a server and have a name for it |
| 10:22 |
rubenwardy |
unless it's a root record |
| 10:23 |
rubenwardy |
for example CNAME www -> example.github.io |
| 10:23 |
rubenwardy |
but you have to do A @ -> 69.23.23.34 |
| 10:23 |
* CWz |
wonders if VanessaE thought mroe about her paid hosting plan idea. |
| 10:23 |
CWz |
MT needs a good one |
| 10:23 |
rubenwardy |
where @ is root (eg: rubenwardy.com, not www. or subdomain) |
| 10:23 |
rubenwardy |
erm |
| 10:24 |
rubenwardy |
I mean @ stands for root |
| 10:24 |
CWz |
15% of all earnings go to starving minetest devs |
| 10:24 |
VanessaE |
I have not given it any thought |
| 10:24 |
shivajiva |
VanessaE: I think it's a great idea |
| 10:24 |
DI3HARD139 |
Ok. So basically the CNAME is just for use with subdomains. Ok. Just trying to figure out which to use to pass multiple connection names to the server. ex. mt.krynet.tk and hce.krynet.tk |
| 10:25 |
rubenwardy |
also with www, DI3HARD139 |
| 10:25 |
rubenwardy |
they say you should avoid using http://example.com, and use http://www.example.com, but I don't like that |
| 10:25 |
rubenwardy |
hence http://rubenwardy.com |
| 10:25 |
shivajiva |
^ |
| 10:26 |
CWz |
I wonder what http://rubenwardy.com is all about |
| 10:26 |
VanessaE |
shivajiva, CWz I lack the skills to write and maintain a good user interface for same |
| 10:26 |
VanessaE |
NOW, |
| 10:26 |
rubenwardy |
https://github.com/rubenwardy/minetest_web_panel |
| 10:26 |
rubenwardy |
old though |
| 10:27 |
VanessaE |
if someone wants to write a good user interface and manage it, using my hardware, I'm game for that as long as I get a significant cut of the profits. |
| 10:27 |
VanessaE |
or I may be anyway |
| 10:29 |
nerzhul |
rubenwardy, many dead links |
| 10:29 |
rubenwardy |
ah, I made rufunge private yet it still links to it |
| 10:30 |
DI3HARD139 |
I gave that web panel a shot @rubenwardy. Aside form crashing upon attempting to communicate with the MT process, It seems like a great start. |
| 10:30 |
DI3HARD139 |
and stable |
| 10:30 |
rubenwardy |
yeah |
| 10:31 |
rubenwardy |
I never got it to a nice standard |
| 10:31 |
rubenwardy |
nerzhul, my website or the repo? |
| 10:31 |
DI3HARD139 |
Now how the heck did MTF get mysql_auth to run with mod security on..... afk working on that for a bit |
| 10:31 |
CWz |
I think i saw another minetest host somewhere |
| 10:31 |
rubenwardy |
minetesthosting.com |
| 10:32 |
DI3HARD139 |
minetesthosting is a joke. Though the thought is there. |
| 10:32 |
VanessaE |
well like I said, I'm willing to lend my hardware to the project if the conditions are good. |
| 10:32 |
CWz |
found it's redit page |
| 10:32 |
DI3HARD139 |
Nothing can beat the value of OVH/SoYouStart/Kimsufi though |
| 10:32 |
CWz |
https://www.reddit.com/r/Minetest/comments/4v6q2v/i_created_a_minetest_hosting_service_looking_for/ |
| 10:33 |
shivajiva |
I'm told the contact doesn't respond to emails and hasn't updated since 0.4.14 on minetesthosting |
| 10:33 |
DI3HARD139 |
nope |
| 10:33 |
DI3HARD139 |
and the server lags out after about 2 players |
| 10:33 |
CWz |
there this: https://minetestserver.hosting/ |
| 10:33 |
CWz |
but it not available yet |
| 10:33 |
nerzhul |
40$/month to upload games & mods, with that price you can host 4 MT servers on a decent machine on french datacenters |
| 10:34 |
DI3HARD139 |
Correction. They changed it to 3 users |
| 10:34 |
DI3HARD139 |
ikr |
| 10:34 |
VanessaE |
nerzhul: try a dozen or more instances. |
| 10:34 |
CWz |
and this: http://www.roanokehobby.net/ |
| 10:34 |
VanessaE |
$42/mo for my box has enough CPU, memory, network, and disk to host at least a dozen, probably more, depending on how heavy they are (especially CPU-wise) |
| 10:35 |
DI3HARD139 |
I recently upgraded mine and pay $50USD for 32GB ram , 3x 120GB SSDs and a Xeon E3-1245v2 |
| 10:35 |
DI3HARD139 |
Though system optimization is key. Not so much the specs |
| 10:35 |
sfan5 |
minetest.org isn't archiveable by archive.is |
| 10:35 |
sfan5 |
nice meme |
| 10:39 |
DI3HARD139 |
Sounds about like what told me |
| 10:39 |
VanessaE |
ninja'd :) |
| 10:39 |
tenplus1 |
;P |
| 10:39 |
DI3HARD139 |
^^^^^ |
| 10:39 |
* tenplus1 |
needs food to become more ninja |
| 10:39 |
tenplus1 |
brb |
| 10:40 |
DI3HARD139 |
afk. Gotta turn mod security off so I can get the worlds back online |
| 10:40 |
shivajiva |
irc mod lol |
| 10:40 |
DI3HARD139 |
?? |
| 10:41 |
shivajiva |
needs require() |
| 10:41 |
VanessaE |
add it to your secure trusted mods |
| 10:41 |
DI3HARD139 |
Oh that one isn't the issue. mysql_auth is |
| 10:41 |
VanessaE |
leave mod security enabled. |
| 10:41 |
VanessaE |
oh |
| 10:42 |
rubenwardy |
recent events have proven the needs |
| 10:42 |
rubenwardy |
also, why can't you require from an insecure env for mysql? |
| 10:42 |
DI3HARD139 |
I wonder if they updated it recently |
| 10:42 |
shivajiva |
doesn't work for me adding it, must be doing something wrong |
| 10:42 |
DI3HARD139 |
Waiting on cloudflare to update so I have a few more minutes |
| 10:43 |
shivajiva |
just get a message complaining about Require() and it stops |
| 10:44 |
rubenwardy |
minetest.request_insecure_environment().require('luamodulename') |
| 10:47 |
VanessaE |
indeed! |
| 10:48 |
DI3HARD139 |
I saw that and was like "What the...???" |
| 10:49 |
DI3HARD139 |
I see they took the saying "when pigs fly" to the next level :P |
| 10:50 |
DI3HARD139 |
aside from a "hello" every now and then |
| 10:52 |
tenplus1 |
:P |
| 10:52 |
tenplus1 |
lolol |
| 10:52 |
DI3HARD139 |
That's another thing to do today. Order some RG-11 cable. Gotta love pop in thoughts |
| 10:53 |
DI3HARD139 |
I think Im starting to see everything lol |
| 10:53 |
CWz |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRzEciiJesE |
| 10:53 |
VanessaE |
DI3HARD139: also you're low on sardines and brake fluid, |
| 10:53 |
VanessaE |
:) |
| 10:53 |
DI3HARD139 |
Brake fluid yes. Sardines heck no. Too salty |
| 10:53 |
VanessaE |
lol |
| 10:56 |
DI3HARD139 |
Vanessa: Do you have your drives in raid or independent? |
| 10:56 |
CWz |
MT needs a masscot |
| 10:57 |
DI3HARD139 |
no comment :P |
| 10:57 |
VanessaE |
DI3HARD139: striped RAID. |
| 10:57 |
tenplus1 |
I kinda like the little island logo we already have |
| 10:57 |
VanessaE |
(there's only two) |
| 10:57 |
DI3HARD139 |
Might be where my mistake was |
| 10:58 |
VanessaE |
I figured with only 600 GB to work with, I may as well stripe them and get 80% more speed anyway |
| 10:58 |
CWz |
Lump of dirt; datz boring mascot. |
| 10:58 |
CWz |
we need a cartoony sam along with it |
| 10:58 |
rubenwardy |
CWz, dungeon master |
| 10:58 |
tenplus1 |
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=minetest+logo&client=ubuntu&hs=BGG&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjzy-P-3vHTAhXHDsAKHfVgAZUQ_AUICigB&biw=1142&bih=657 I like it :D |
| 10:58 |
VanessaE |
(backups are written to the same drives as the primary data, but minimal backups are also sent to FTP, and cheapie has a script that runs weekly to fetch the downloadable worlds as well, so multiple levels of backups) |
| 10:59 |
DI3HARD139 |
I have mine set to independent disks. Wasn't certain which to choose given the system is headless |
| 10:59 |
CWz |
cereal style cartoon sam mascot. with avatars of missing players on the back |
| 10:59 |
DI3HARD139 |
I wish JBOD was an option |
| 10:59 |
CWz |
What a JBOD |
| 11:00 |
tenplus1 |
nah... everything these days has an avatar... it gets annoying after a while |
| 11:00 |
DI3HARD139 |
Just a bunch of disks |
| 11:00 |
* shivajiva |
is jeally of such a nicely engineered backup |
| 11:00 |
shivajiva |
*jelly |
| 11:01 |
CWz |
Mascots make things appealing to an audience, minecraft has shit mascot that why it so unpopular |
| 11:01 |
CWz |
it's mascot is just dirt block |
| 11:02 |
VanessaE |
DI3HARD139: RAID 0 |
| 11:02 |
VanessaE |
that's JBOD isn't it? |
| 11:02 |
DI3HARD139 |
Raid 1 |
| 11:02 |
VanessaE |
(also called "linear" RAID) |
| 11:02 |
VanessaE |
oh it is? |
| 11:02 |
DI3HARD139 |
It just makes all the drives appear as 1 |
| 11:02 |
VanessaE |
well pfft |
| 11:02 |
tenplus1 |
https://ducakedhare.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/minetest_logo_real_blockmen-289x300.png |
| 11:02 |
DI3HARD139 |
so it just stripes |
| 11:02 |
VanessaE |
I never know which number is which :P |
| 11:03 |
CWz |
JBODy is ready |
| 11:03 |
VanessaE |
LVM can do appending also |
| 11:03 |
VanessaE |
if RAID won't work for you |
| 11:03 |
VanessaE |
("Logical Volume Manager/Management") |
| 11:04 |
DI3HARD139 |
@rubenwardy: Just saw a message I missed. It has to write to the MySQL database which requires elevation from the sandbox MT runs its mods in. |
| 11:04 |
CWz |
anyway the island logo needs to be updated to include the new biomes |
| 11:05 |
DI3HARD139 |
I wonder if anyone streams MT on twitch |
| 11:05 |
rubenwardy |
jordanibenza doess |
| 11:05 |
tenplus1 |
would be nice to have little floating island logo's representing each biome... |
| 11:06 |
rubenwardy |
at least modding |
| 11:06 |
CWz |
Hmm |
| 11:06 |
CWz |
Would love a minetest stream |
| 11:07 |
tenplus1 |
video stream ? |
| 11:07 |
CWz |
I just hope as minetest get's popular it doesn't have the same issues minecraft has with reskin youtubers |
| 11:08 |
DI3HARD139 |
I sure hope it doesn't. They get annoying after awhile |
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| 11:09 |
tenplus1 |
hi Dargod |
| 11:09 |
CWz |
literally almost every mc youtuber does the same type of videos. |
| 11:09 |
DI3HARD139 |
hello dargod |
| 11:09 |
CWz |
tf2 has the same problem as well |
| 11:09 |
paramat |
hehe won't be cute with 12 biomes |
| 11:09 |
Dargod |
Hi all |
| 11:10 |
tenplus1 |
the current logo could join onto desert biome at back, which in turn could join into savanna and ice/snow then back to original |
| 11:11 |
tenplus1 |
4x floating islands linked to one another through one side :D |
| 11:13 |
CWz |
also that cave could use tweaking, like adding an ore otherwise one could interpreter the logo as the game only having surface value |
| 11:13 |
CWz |
with no substance |
| 11:21 |
shivajiva |
Hi Dargod o/ |
| 11:23 |
shivajiva |
CWz: +1 |
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| 11:39 |
tenplus1 |
wb Jordach |
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| 11:42 |
tenplus1 |
hi raven |
| 11:43 |
Raven262 |
Hello tenplus1 |
| 11:44 |
* CWz |
votes for some from of area protection added in minetest_game |
| 11:45 |
CWz |
*form |
| 11:45 |
tenplus1 |
leave that to mods |
| 11:45 |
Raven262 |
It is not really required in default. |
| 11:46 |
tenplus1 |
default has checks for protection so that when you DO use a mod it works |
| 11:46 |
tenplus1 |
that's all we need for now :D |
| 11:46 |
Raven262 |
And, if it were to be added, there would be a fight about shall it be "protection blocks" or area protect. |
| 11:47 |
tenplus1 |
exactly... we already have blocks, areas and map blocks |
| 11:47 |
Raven262 |
And what is the purpose of protection anyway? To protect from griefers. We didn't include them in the default :P |
| 11:49 |
tenplus1 |
could always add a custom block to default that only the owner can punch to pickup |
| 11:49 |
tenplus1 |
then you could use it with locked doors |
| 12:00 |
Raven262 |
There is one graphical feature that would improve minetest a great deal. |
| 12:00 |
Raven262 |
Transparency. |
| 12:00 |
Raven262 |
Cause only then we could make glass tools. |
| 12:07 |
Calinou |
hi |
| 12:08 |
tenplus1 |
wb cal |
| 12:08 |
Calinou |
Raven262: transparency is not as trivial to render as you think |
| 12:08 |
Calinou |
order-independent transparency is a thing, but it's expensive to render |
| 12:08 |
Raven262 |
Hello Calinou |
| 12:08 |
Raven262 |
Ah. |
| 12:08 |
Calinou |
so for now we're stuck with old-school transparency, which glitches out if you look at a transparent surface through another transparent surface |
| 12:09 |
Calinou |
(this is not a problem with 1-bit transparency, also called "discard transparency") |
| 12:09 |
tenplus1 |
lol |
| 12:10 |
paramat |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/95 5 year old issue |
| 12:10 |
Raven262 |
Yeah, i can hide an allfaces transparent node behind another one, first one will not be rendered lol |
| 12:10 |
CWz |
is it more expesive then coloured lighting |
| 12:10 |
Raven262 |
*second one |
| 12:10 |
Raven262 |
Really? |
| 12:10 |
Calinou |
colored lighting would not be extremely expensive, I guess |
| 12:10 |
Calinou |
you'd have 4 light channels (16 bits to store) instead of 2 (8 bits to store) |
| 12:10 |
Calinou |
we have block light and sky light right now |
| 12:11 |
Calinou |
I guess colored lighting would be red/green/blue/sky light |
| 12:11 |
Calinou |
each component has 16 levels, so 4 bits |
| 12:11 |
Raven262 |
But it would make map much bigger. |
| 12:11 |
Calinou |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/95#issuecomment-27149867 |
| 12:11 |
Calinou |
methinks this should be fixed if you enable shaders |
| 12:11 |
Calinou |
Raven262: not by much… in fact, I'm not even sure if light information is saved to the database |
| 12:12 |
Calinou |
this is not the largest of our concerns with regards to colored light |
| 12:12 |
Raven262 |
What is then? |
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| 12:13 |
Calinou |
probably the runtime computations and compatibility with existing worlds |
| 12:13 |
paramat |
? light level is param1 |
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| 12:13 |
tenplus1 |
hi lumidify |
| 12:13 |
Raven262 |
Hello lumidify |
| 12:13 |
Calinou |
anyway, colored light surely won't happen |
| 12:13 |
CWz |
one this is certain after coloured lighting get added someone would ask for Volumetric lighting |
| 12:13 |
lumidify |
Hi tenplus1, Raven262 |
| 12:14 |
Raven262 |
xD |
| 12:14 |
Calinou |
I believe lighting in Minetest is already volumetric |
| 12:14 |
Raven262 |
What is that anyway? |
| 12:14 |
paramat |
apparently mapnode would double in size, world files become twice the size |
| 12:14 |
Raven262 |
Oo |
| 12:14 |
Calinou |
the light level of nodes not exposed to any solid node (ie. air surrounded by air) is already computed |
| 12:14 |
Calinou |
paramat: ah |
| 12:14 |
Raven262 |
What? |
| 12:14 |
Calinou |
that would be bearable for most users, especially if we automatically compress worlds |
| 12:14 |
Calinou |
(I think eg. LZ4 compression would be suitable) |
| 12:14 |
Calinou |
that's very fasst |
| 12:14 |
Calinou |
fast* |
| 12:14 |
paramat |
(as far as i remember from discussions) |
| 12:15 |
Raven262 |
Rendering only the visible part of the world would do much. |
| 12:15 |
CWz |
Culling? |
| 12:15 |
Calinou |
we already have occlusion culling |
| 12:15 |
Calinou |
(and view frustrum culling) |
| 12:15 |
Calinou |
since like, 0.3.0 |
| 12:15 |
Calinou |
occlusion culling is never 100% efficient thoughb |
| 12:15 |
Raven262 |
But minetest still calculates light level of air? xD |
| 12:16 |
Calinou |
either you make it too conservative and it won't give you much performance improvements (if not worsening performance!), either you make it too agressive and artifacts happen |
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| 12:16 |
Calinou |
I think Minecraft had occlusion culling at a time, known as "Advanced OpenGL" (sic), but they ended up removing it |
| 12:16 |
Calinou |
since it did not improve performance for most users |
| 12:16 |
Calinou |
yes, it does |
| 12:16 |
Calinou |
else, if you jump/fly into air, your wielditem and player model would turn all black |
| 12:16 |
tenplus1 |
what do they use now ? |
| 12:16 |
Calinou |
nothing? just view frustrum culling, I guess |
| 12:16 |
Calinou |
like before Beta 1.5 |
| 12:17 |
Calinou |
it was off by default anyway, I think |
| 12:17 |
Raven262 |
I still don't get it why minecraft seems to have much better graphics than minetest, even if one would use minecraft's textures in minetest they would still look different. |
| 12:17 |
tenplus1 |
so turning off occlusion culling for some ppl would be an improvement ? |
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| 12:21 |
lisac |
thanks VanessaE |
| 12:22 |
VanessaE |
you're welcome. |
| 12:22 |
Raven262 |
lisac got the voice! :D |
| 12:22 |
Raven262 |
Hello lisac.ž |
| 12:22 |
Raven262 |
*lisac. |
| 12:23 |
* rubenwardy |
purr |
| 12:24 |
* CWz |
hi |
| 12:24 |
CWz |
odd |
| 12:24 |
* lisac |
> Opeth - Harvest.mp3 - [ Blackwater Park #3 ] - [ 02:43 / 06:01 ] |
| 12:24 |
CWz |
why is action and /me the same thing |
| 12:25 |
lisac |
no idea. I'll still use /me |
| 12:25 |
lisac |
it's shorter |
| 12:26 |
nore |
CWz: I think /me looks more "grammatically correct" and is more like what you see, but the internal thing is CTCP ACTION or so |
| 12:30 |
VanessaE |
oh that reminds me... |
| 12:30 |
Calinou |
Minecraft has better art quality |
| 12:31 |
Calinou |
same resolution, but Minecraft's pixel artists are just geniuses |
| 12:31 |
Calinou |
Minetest went through a lot of effort in 4 years but we still need to improve |
| 12:32 |
tenplus1 |
http://oi62.tinypic.com/j9qcg6.jpg |
| 12:32 |
tenplus1 |
http://s23.postimg.org/ktg0dyxob/screenshot_4098097577.jpg |
| 12:32 |
tenplus1 |
both mt screenshots |
| 12:32 |
Calinou |
tenplus1: yeah, occlusion culling ruined performance for some players back then |
| 12:32 |
Raven262 |
Nice, i love the one in the flying island :D |
| 12:33 |
tenplus1 |
Calinou: is it any better now ? or would disabling it for some ppl make the game run smoother ? |
| 12:33 |
Calinou |
I think they removed it entirely? |
| 12:33 |
Calinou |
anyway performance is good in Minecraft for me |
| 12:33 |
Calinou |
(now) |
| 12:33 |
Calinou |
even without OptiFine |
| 12:34 |
paramat |
Opeth, nice |
| 12:34 |
lisac |
paramat, lol, foot_on_teh_hill recommended it to me |
| 12:38 |
VanessaE |
fek |
| 12:48 |
tenplus1 |
o.O |
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tenplus1 |
hi RobbieF |
| 13:00 |
RobbieF |
hi tenplus1! How was your weekend? |
| 13:00 |
tenplus1 |
slow... removed player knockback from xanadu, few issues |
| 13:00 |
tenplus1 |
you ? |
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| 13:00 |
RobbieF |
really? Player knockback is amazing. But that reminds me - I want your help with something LOL |
| 13:01 |
RobbieF |
we were just stuck at home; got the new van but stupid insurance company didn't come through with the papers yet, so can't drive it. |
| 13:01 |
tenplus1 |
the attacked knockback is ok with 0,0,0 slide in glitch... the new one for servers (moveto) has issues |
| 13:02 |
RobbieF |
Player knockback: https://github.com/Cat5TV/tps_items/blob/master/init.lua#L95 |
| 13:02 |
RobbieF |
Could you kindly have a quick look at that and either PR or tell me: how can I disable player knockback if the user is wearing the badge? It can be annoying if trying to help someone and a mob is attacking. |
| 13:04 |
nerzhul |
RobbieF, we have a real knockback effect in progress on a PR, better than crappy lua modding :) |
| 13:04 |
tenplus1 |
lol, thanks nrz :P |
| 13:04 |
RobbieF |
Yeah don't pick a fight with tenplus1 here nerzhul! :D |
| 13:04 |
RobbieF |
TBH I'm nervous to update minetest-dev at this point... |
| 13:05 |
nerzhul |
sorry i think modding is a nice thing, but complex physics should have really high level API in core |
| 13:05 |
tenplus1 |
you could add a check in knockback itself and have it look for admin_badge in invntory |
| 13:05 |
RobbieF |
Too much drama and bickering |
| 13:05 |
tenplus1 |
RobbieF: I'd wait until the chest issue is fixed |
| 13:05 |
tenplus1 |
for now those are broken |
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RobbieF |
tenplus1 is that something you'd be willing to add? I know it's pretty specific to us, but we're awesome... so... |
| 13:05 |
RobbieF |
:D |
| 13:06 |
RobbieF |
agreed tenplus1 |
| 13:06 |
tenplus1 |
it's too specific to add to playerplus, but I can tell you what to add :P |
| 13:07 |
RobbieF |
tenplus1 I don't like to have to fork a whole mod just for a tiny revision, and then our mod ends up falling behind the main branch. |
| 13:08 |
tenplus1 |
will see if there's an easy way to detect admin armor inside playerplus and disable kb |
| 13:08 |
RobbieF |
tenplus1 what if you add a priv for no_knockback? |
| 13:08 |
RobbieF |
Then, I can just add that priv to this badge |
| 13:08 |
RobbieF |
and it's not specific to us |
| 13:08 |
RobbieF |
other servers can use no_knockback priv for their admins, etc. |
| 13:08 |
tenplus1 |
good point |
| 13:09 |
Jordach |
i'm just sitting here playing hearthstone |
| 13:09 |
Calinou |
i'm just sitting here playing systemd |
| 13:10 |
Calinou |
according to Discord |
| 13:10 |
Jordach |
my experience playing magic and other tcgs is paying off, hugely |
| 13:10 |
lumidify |
I'm just sitting here hating systemd |
| 13:11 |
Jordach |
if you want to trigger s o f a r |
| 13:11 |
Jordach |
say systemd sucks |
| 13:11 |
lumidify |
systemd sucks |
| 13:11 |
lumidify |
BSD ftw |
| 13:12 |
* lumidify |
will shut up now and maybe not start a flame war |
| 13:12 |
Jordach |
>opponent left |
| 13:12 |
Jordach |
gg ez |
| 13:12 |
nerzhul |
lumidify, sorry i'm a great BSD fan on servers, but as a Linux systems engineer at work i really like systemd capabilities and multi instance model |
| 13:13 |
lumidify |
I just hate bloated software |
| 13:13 |
nerzhul |
java is bloated software |
| 13:13 |
lumidify |
Which is why I don't use it :) |
| 13:14 |
nerzhul |
systemd has an interesting point: it unified some components which doesn't works well together before (hello udev) |
| 13:14 |
celeron55 |
C++ is bloated software |
| 13:14 |
lumidify |
Well, all software is bloated, some is just less bloated |
| 13:14 |
nerzhul |
i don't mean systemd-resolved is good (beurk) |
| 13:14 |
lumidify |
C is still my favorite language |
| 13:14 |
nerzhul |
C++03 is bloated software, long live C++17 :D |
| 13:14 |
nerzhul |
too long to write C, C++ powa :D |
| 13:14 |
lumidify |
One of my favorite sites: http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/ :P |
| 13:15 |
nerzhul |
lol Go in less harmful, and 9p as a stockage protocol what is that shit |
| 13:16 |
nerzhul |
this list is just ridiculous |
| 13:16 |
tenplus1 |
RobbieF: it's added, git updated |
| 13:16 |
Calinou |
harmful is a satire site |
| 13:16 |
Calinou |
don't take it seriously |
| 13:17 |
Calinou |
even the authors don't believe themselves, I think |
| 13:17 |
Calinou |
software tea parties deserve no recognition anyway :) |
| 13:18 |
lumidify |
Calinou: who doesn't like tea parties? |
| 13:19 |
lumidify |
*fine*, /me will shut up now... |
| 13:20 |
* Jordach |
had a giggle at that |
| 13:20 |
Jordach |
lmao |
| 13:21 |
tenplus1 |
RobbieF: added 'no_knockback' priv to make things simple :P github.com/tenplus1/playerplus |
| 13:28 |
VanessaE |
bbl |
| 13:28 |
* benrob0329 |
pops in |
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tenplus1 |
hi octacian |
| 13:47 |
octacian |
hey tenplus1 |
| 13:48 |
* tenplus1 |
is watching Every Amiga game in one video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ro9S27OJVgo |
| 13:49 |
RobbieF |
thanks tenplus1! That'll do nicely. |
| 13:49 |
tenplus1 |
:P |
| 13:50 |
RobbieF |
How do you make an item add a priv when you wear the item? |
| 13:50 |
RobbieF |
(3d_armor) |
| 13:50 |
tenplus1 |
that only work on the new 3d_armor mod which is still being developed... not even upgraded to that one yet :P |
| 13:52 |
RobbieF |
Yeah I'm on the "new" 3d_armor |
| 13:52 |
RobbieF |
well, the branch I'm on is the multiskin branch |
| 13:52 |
tenplus1 |
I gotta look into that one and see what's new :) |
| 13:52 |
RobbieF |
pretty sure that's what you mean? |
| 13:53 |
tenplus1 |
yeah... xanadu is still using old stable version... |
| 13:53 |
tenplus1 |
would be great to update to 1.8 skins soon |
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| 13:54 |
tenplus1 |
hi NathanS21 |
| 13:54 |
tenplus1 |
for now anyone with an admin badge, you can grant that priv |
| 13:54 |
NathanS21 |
hi tenplus1 |
| 13:56 |
RobbieF |
tenplus1 yes I suppose. It'd be nice to have that priv work ONLY when the badge is worn though |
| 13:58 |
tenplus1 |
will look into the new 3d_armor and see if it's easily done... am sure you can attach a function or priv to the badge when its in use |
| 14:05 |
benrob0329 |
Ohhh, I have an idea!! |
| 14:05 |
tenplus1 |
? |
| 14:05 |
benrob0329 |
Add a trampoline to MTG as a sneak ladder alternative |
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| 14:06 |
benrob0329 |
Place at the bottom of your mineshaft, and hold space to build up hight |
| 14:06 |
Jordach |
>EEVblog mailbag |
| 14:06 |
Jordach |
PogChamp |
| 14:06 |
benrob0329 |
After a bit you'll fly back up to the surface |
| 14:07 |
tenplus1 |
lol, that's a bit cheaty... we have slimeblocks added to xanadu to bounce on but it reduces your height with each bounce and no fall damage |
| 14:07 |
benrob0329 |
that's how current trampolines work |
| 14:08 |
benrob0329 |
Tbh its more fun a sneak ladder :P |
| 14:08 |
benrob0329 |
*than a |
| 14:08 |
tenplus1 |
I liked the old sneak method... parkour using it was so much fun |
| 14:08 |
benrob0329 |
Sneak yes |
| 14:09 |
benrob0329 |
2 node jump yes |
| 14:09 |
benrob0329 |
Sneak ladder...meh |
| 14:09 |
benrob0329 |
I didn't really use it, too much work |
| 14:10 |
benrob0329 |
Ik people did, and id still like to find better ways for people to make elevators |
| 14:10 |
Jordach |
*autistic screeching* |
| 14:10 |
Jordach |
http://i.imgur.com/0siSURL.png |
| 14:10 |
tenplus1 |
lol |
| 14:11 |
benrob0329 |
>windows 10 |
| 14:11 |
benrob0329 |
TRIGGERED |
| 14:11 |
Jordach |
>already completed security patches nightly |
| 14:11 |
Jordach |
>updated when i wasn't busy |
| 14:11 |
Jordach |
>no issues with wannacry |
| 14:11 |
benrob0329 |
>is always busy |
| 14:12 |
Jordach |
aYY LMAO |
| 14:12 |
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| 14:12 |
benrob0329 |
I'm often up for more than 12 hours |
| 14:12 |
benrob0329 |
A lot more |
| 14:12 |
tenplus1 |
wb DS-minetest |
| 14:12 |
DS-minetest |
thanks tenplus1 :) |
| 14:12 |
DS-minetest |
hi all |
| 14:13 |
benrob0329 |
Id much rather update overnight, aka around 2 am |
| 14:13 |
Jordach |
benrob0329, i do mine on shut down / restart |
| 14:13 |
Jordach |
(the classical way, but more effective) |
| 14:13 |
* tenplus1 |
updates lubuntu every morning when I turn it on... only takes 2 mins |
| 14:13 |
benrob0329 |
true |
| 14:13 |
Jordach |
i don't have issues with windows 10 as a RFTM |
| 14:13 |
Jordach |
RTFM |
| 14:14 |
benrob0329 |
Ill probably update gentoo once a week er somethin |
| 14:14 |
benrob0329 |
Takes a while to do so as everything is source built |
| 14:14 |
tenplus1 |
I could leave it to weekly, but am too damn curious to see what's new :DDD |
| 14:15 |
benrob0329 |
But Ubuntu is stable/crusty |
| 14:15 |
benrob0329 |
Stable/crusty/rusty |
| 14:15 |
tenplus1 |
I have backports enabled for latest stuff |
| 14:16 |
benrob0329 |
And now its unstable/rusty |
| 14:16 |
benrob0329 |
Its an unholy mixture |
| 14:16 |
tenplus1 |
lolol |
| 14:16 |
benrob0329 |
Kill it with fire!! |
| 14:17 |
tenplus1 |
am happy, it's very stable :D |
| 14:17 |
benrob0329 |
Funnily enough gentoo defaults to stable |
| 14:18 |
benrob0329 |
But not debian style stable |
| 14:18 |
tenplus1 |
that's a good thing... get it working and then enable unstable if you feel courage :D |
| 14:18 |
benrob0329 |
yeah, I unmask some packages to install latest version |
| 14:19 |
benrob0329 |
Like ill probably unmask firefox so I can get 53 |
| 14:19 |
tenplus1 |
they should always have latest ff in stable |
| 14:19 |
benrob0329 |
Unfortunately minetest has no maintainer :-( |
| 14:20 |
tenplus1 |
I tend to install that from launchpad |
| 14:20 |
benrob0329 |
They should, but there have been some building issues with it |
| 14:20 |
benrob0329 |
stable has the extended support release afaik |
| 14:27 |
Calinou |
Windows 10 allows 18 hours of Activity Hours since the Creators Update, instead of 12 |
| 14:27 |
Calinou |
so you can make it reboot (when not using) only between 0:00 and 8:00 for example |
| 14:27 |
tenplus1 |
18 activity hours ??? |
| 14:27 |
Calinou |
2:00 and 8:00 even |
| 14:27 |
Calinou |
yeah |
| 14:28 |
Calinou |
outside of the activity hours, your PC may reboot to apply updates when unused |
| 14:28 |
tenplus1 |
shouldnt it be up to user when they wanna reboot and not the system |
| 14:28 |
Calinou |
"unused" is very broad though |
| 14:28 |
Calinou |
a Steam download or a FileZilla upload will not be seen as activity, your PC will reboot anyway and cancel the download/upload |
| 14:28 |
Calinou |
:D |
| 14:28 |
Calinou |
yeah but this is Windows 10 |
| 14:28 |
benrob0329 |
like, it shouldn't reboot if I leave it to upload a YT video |
| 14:29 |
benrob0329 |
nor should I even need to worry about thay |
| 14:30 |
tenplus1 |
I remember some guy rendering a movie and it had a reboot countdown in 11 minutes... he was seriously pissed |
| 14:31 |
Raven262 |
I was playing a game on win10, and it shut down without warning, to update. |
| 14:31 |
Raven262 |
That was the last time i used win10 |
| 14:31 |
tenplus1 |
win10 update is seriously flawed... |
| 14:31 |
NathanS21 |
wasn't there some guy doing a live stream of some game, when his system shutdown to do a upgrade. |
| 14:31 |
Raven262 |
I have win7 now, and this linux mint that i use most of the time. |
| 14:32 |
NathanS21 |
I remember that being a huge deal, I forget if he was trying to break a record for the longest stream or something. |
| 14:50 |
* Jordach |
should probably finish that main menu prototype |
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| 14:52 |
* Jordach |
puts on some Joe Satriani |
| 14:52 |
tenplus1 |
nice |
| 14:52 |
Jordach |
...on cassette |
| 14:52 |
tenplus1 |
RobbieF: https://github.com/Cat5TV/tps_items/pull/1 |
| 14:53 |
RobbieF |
woh, I didn't know you were working on it! THANKS! |
| 14:53 |
tenplus1 |
it SHOULD work... not tested :P |
| 14:53 |
tenplus1 |
all it does is grant and revoke the 'no_knockback' priv when you put on and take off badge |
| 14:54 |
RobbieF |
wonderful! thanks! |
| 14:54 |
tenplus1 |
:P |
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| 14:56 |
tenplus1 |
wb paramat |
| 14:56 |
Jordach |
tenplus1, got any modpacks for /mods/ |
| 14:56 |
* Jordach |
needs to test hard |
| 14:56 |
tenplus1 |
I dont use modpacks |
| 14:57 |
Jordach |
tenplus1, anything with a modpack.txt |
| 14:57 |
Jordach |
ah |
| 14:57 |
Jordach |
mesecons |
| 14:57 |
Jordach |
https://github.com/Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons/blob/master/modpack.txt |
| 14:57 |
tenplus1 |
is something broken ? |
| 14:57 |
Jordach |
tenplus1, need to check if shit works as expected |
| 14:58 |
Jordach |
wat |
| 14:58 |
Jordach |
tenplus1, download mesecons |
| 14:58 |
Jordach |
as a zipball pleaes |
| 14:59 |
Jordach |
don't install it |
| 14:59 |
tenplus1 |
hold on |
| 14:59 |
Jordach |
drop into /mods/ |
| 14:59 |
Jordach |
because renaming makes a new folder entirely |
| 14:59 |
Jordach |
with duplicate contents |
| 14:59 |
Jordach |
if that's the case with the non menu variant |
| 15:00 |
Jordach |
then that's a bug i can squash at the same time |
| 15:00 |
benrob0329 |
Jordach: that's probably just the way you extracted it |
| 15:00 |
Jordach |
benrob0329, no |
| 15:00 |
benrob0329 |
I often find that something has extracted into double folders |
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| 15:01 |
tenplus1 |
k, dropped into mods, what next |
| 15:01 |
benrob0329 |
Well, not often |
| 15:01 |
tenplus1 |
hi WhoAreYou |
| 15:01 |
DI3HARD139 |
Hello WhoAreYou |
| 15:01 |
benrob0329 |
ho WhoAreYou |
| 15:01 |
paramat |
heh |
| 15:01 |
Jordach |
tenplus1, go to the mods tab, highlight mesecons-master and then rename it |
| 15:01 |
WhoAreYou |
Hello 10+1, DI3 and benrob. :) |
| 15:01 |
benrob0329 |
I was just about to ask that you be voiced :-) |
| 15:02 |
tenplus1 |
worked |
| 15:02 |
benrob0329 |
Jordach: ohhh, now I see |
| 15:02 |
Jordach |
benrob0329, http://i.imgur.com/l8tnGUR.png |
| 15:02 |
benrob0329 |
I thought you mean mesecons/jeija-minetest-mesecons thing |
| 15:03 |
benrob0329 |
Where the archibe gets extracted to anothet sub folder |
| 15:04 |
DS-minetest |
oh god, the setting messages are soo flooding |
| 15:04 |
Jordach |
tenplus1, if your result matches that image, then that's a bug i should be able to fix |
| 15:04 |
tenplus1 |
yup, same contents |
| 15:05 |
Jordach |
made sure it wasn't my code introducing a bug |
| 15:05 |
paramat |
sneakers, in old code you could avoid damage when falling a long way on a sneak ladder and stopping using the 'sneak' key, do you want this lack of damage preserved in new sneak ladder code? |
| 15:06 |
Raven262 |
I think that should be preserved. |
| 15:06 |
tenplus1 |
the lack of damage when falling using old sneak method was an obvious bug... this shoudl be fixed |
| 15:06 |
paramat |
because i've noticed descending a sneak ladder is not much fun if you have to catch your fall every 4 nodes |
| 15:06 |
tenplus1 |
but the ability to climb along ledges and jump using sneak was important |
| 15:07 |
Raven262 |
But one could possibly get his hands on the ladder while falling. |
| 15:07 |
paramat |
but sneak ladder was an obvious bug too |
| 15:07 |
paramat |
that's no argument |
| 15:07 |
tenplus1 |
was a fun glitch, as if playes were using hands to pull themselves up a block :) handy |
| 15:09 |
paramat |
descending a sneak ladder with damage is fairly slow and irritating, players probably want the old behaviour. remember this is the new sneak code option enabled with 'sneak glitch' (default off) |
| 15:10 |
tenplus1 |
nope, the falling with no damage is bad... we NEED damage... it forces players to ethier descend safely or drop onto trampoline, mushroom pore, slimeblock or water |
| 15:10 |
paramat |
the idea of this option is to replicate as closely as possible the old sneak side-effects |
| 15:10 |
tenplus1 |
add the damage dude, it's important... sneaking has to come at a cost... falling from a cliff and saving yourself last minute with sneak messes up game |
| 15:11 |
paramat |
still no argument, players may want what they were used to, nevermind how it should be |
| 15:11 |
paramat |
but ok that's one opinion, thanks |
| 15:12 |
behalebabo |
sneak is used by most of the players on my server as a way to navigate builds and mines, not for damage avoidance; using it that way is a very clear exploit whereas the ladder itself is somewhat limited and does not bypass usual game mechanics. |
| 15:13 |
tenplus1 |
was going to add gloves to 3d_armor so that the sneak bug could be used properly and disabled when nto wearing them... |
| 15:13 |
Raven262 |
make player 1/2 high when he sneaks, so he can go trough 1x1 hole. |
| 15:13 |
Raven262 |
We need that. |
| 15:14 |
Calinou |
that'd be too intense |
| 15:14 |
Raven262 |
Would make stuff fun |
| 15:14 |
Calinou |
the player does not "sneak" from a third person perspective, too |
| 15:14 |
Calinou |
so this is why we don't lower eye height unlike in Minecraft |
| 15:14 |
Raven262 |
That should be done too |
| 15:14 |
Calinou |
I don't think so |
| 15:14 |
Raven262 |
No? |
| 15:15 |
Calinou |
I believe we should take good ideas from any place, but we don't have to copy every game design aspect of Minecraft |
| 15:15 |
Calinou |
think of our sneak as a "walk" rather than a "crouch" |
| 15:15 |
Calinou |
(we could have both, though, like in eg. many modern FPSes) |
| 15:15 |
Raven262 |
I didn't know minecraft has that. |
| 15:15 |
Calinou |
(inb4 someone suggests proning) |
| 15:15 |
* Raven262 |
never really played MC. |
| 15:15 |
Calinou |
heh |
| 15:16 |
Calinou |
you're suggesting Minecraft features but you never played the game :P |
| 15:16 |
Calinou |
I spent over 1,500 hours on the game |
| 15:16 |
Raven262 |
I didn't have minecraft in mind xD |
| 15:16 |
tenplus1 |
it just seems natural to lower eye level when sneaking/crouching |
| 15:16 |
Calinou |
yes, but then we need a real sneaking animation for 3rd person |
| 15:16 |
Calinou |
right now, we just have a slowed down walk animation |
| 15:18 |
paramat |
it's called 'sneak' but really it's just a careful wallk |
| 15:18 |
tenplus1 |
lolol |
| 15:18 |
paramat |
*walk |
| 15:18 |
Jordach |
ah shit |
| 15:18 |
Jordach |
i need a build with cURL |
| 15:18 |
Jordach |
sfan5, need a cURL build with commit ID c6e96c6 |
| 15:18 |
sfan5 |
all mah builds have curl |
| 15:18 |
Jordach |
modstore is missing |
| 15:19 |
sfan5 |
can i just make a new one of master? |
| 15:19 |
Jordach |
wat |
| 15:19 |
Calinou |
all your curl are belong to us |
| 15:19 |
* Jordach |
has a missing modstore |
| 15:20 |
red-005 |
this channel is getting too active for my bnc |
| 15:20 |
Jordach |
r e k t |
| 15:20 |
Calinou |
tesserekt! |
| 15:20 |
paramat |
hmm ok damage happens on sneak ladder in master too, i thought it was avoided, so it was intentional |
| 15:20 |
Jordach |
m-m-m-mega rekt |
| 15:21 |
benrob0329 |
paramat: there should always be fall damage unless its a soft node/liquid |
| 15:21 |
* Jordach |
modified the mobos standard headphone output to RCA/Phono line level |
| 15:21 |
tenplus1 |
+100 benrob |
| 15:21 |
benrob0329 |
As in, yes there should be sneak ladder damage |
| 15:22 |
tenplus1 |
thats the whole reason I added mushroom pore and slimeblocks |
| 15:22 |
Jordach |
tenplus1, lmao http://i.imgur.com/5s3hjcx.png |
| 15:22 |
tenplus1 |
one to cut all fall damage and stop player jumping, and the other to allow bouncing |
| 15:22 |
paramat |
interesting, i thought players would want the old avoidance |
| 15:22 |
Jordach |
old movement type |
| 15:22 |
Jordach |
damage when falling |
| 15:22 |
benrob0329 |
and trampolines, which could also be an alternative to sneak ladders |
| 15:22 |
tenplus1 |
lol Jordach |
| 15:23 |
benrob0329 |
A more exciting alternative at that :P |
| 15:23 |
Jordach |
reminds me |
| 15:23 |
red-005 |
oh my bnc doesn't correctly log /msg's |
| 15:23 |
Jordach |
F |
| 15:24 |
benrob0329 |
Imo if people need to exploit bugs to make the game fun, your missing something |
| 15:24 |
Jordach |
it's a feature |
| 15:24 |
Jordach |
*rollsafe meme* |
| 15:24 |
benrob0329 |
Features are documented bugs |
| 15:24 |
Jordach |
topkek |
| 15:24 |
Jordach |
benrob0329, http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/018/784/topkek.png |
| 15:25 |
tenplus1 |
sneak bug is definitely a feature, it provides too many handy things t the game when enabled :))) |
| 15:25 |
benrob0329 |
tenplus1: currently, yes |
| 15:25 |
tenplus1 |
which is why I was talking about 3d_armor gloves to enable it |
| 15:25 |
Jordach |
tenplus1, isn't that part of player physics? |
| 15:25 |
benrob0329 |
But such movement should be done properly imo |
| 15:25 |
benrob0329 |
Not as a sneal bug |
| 15:25 |
benrob0329 |
*k |
| 15:25 |
tenplus1 |
yes, but can be disabled and only enabled when wearing a certain armor piece |
| 15:25 |
tenplus1 |
ultimate topkek: http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/617/381/26b |
| 15:26 |
benrob0329 |
But I don't need gloves to grab a hold of somethinh |
| 15:26 |
benrob0329 |
It just helps me to not damage my hands (hint hint) |
| 15:26 |
tenplus1 |
lol |
| 15:27 |
benrob0329 |
But there are a lot of things id change if I were to wrote the player mechanics |
| 15:27 |
paramat |
sneak ladder / sneak jump are features now |
| 15:28 |
benrob0329 |
*write |
| 15:28 |
paramat |
ok, i forgot the amount of effort put into avoiding damage on sneak ladders, so yeah damage is fine |
| 15:28 |
tenplus1 |
will this and new disable fire on servers be added to next build ? also maybe vanessae's chest improvements |
| 15:29 |
paramat |
see thread 1693, i've asked mtg devs for their opinions, just needs another +1 |
| 15:30 |
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| 15:30 |
tenplus1 |
hi DI3HARD139 |
| 15:30 |
DI3HARD139 |
hello |
| 15:30 |
tenplus1 |
wait a sec, you removed your own approval ? |
| 15:31 |
paramat |
on 1693? no |
| 15:31 |
tenplus1 |
paramat added >= Two approvals One approval and removed One approval >= Two approvals labels 5 hours ago |
| 15:32 |
paramat |
i misunderstood rubenwardy's 'go ahead' as a +1, he clarified it was a 'neutral' soon after |
| 15:32 |
tenplus1 |
damn |
| 15:33 |
paramat |
'go ahead' sounded like a +1, luckily i was cautious |
| 15:35 |
* benrob0329 |
has all his stuff back on his computer :D |
| 15:36 |
benrob0329 |
Still gotta finish "ricing" i3, but its better than it was |
| 15:37 |
benrob0329 |
I'll take a scteenshot when I get it finished :P |
| 15:37 |
benrob0329 |
I wanna have those semi-transparent terminals I always see :PP |
| 15:38 |
tenplus1 |
lol |
| 15:39 |
benrob0329 |
I can see it as a song now |
| 15:39 |
benrob0329 |
"I want some <bead drop> semi-trans-parent term-in-als" |
| 15:40 |
Calinou |
heh, I was an user of transparent terminals for a while |
| 15:40 |
Calinou |
I remember the drama about GNOME 3 removing that feature |
| 15:40 |
Calinou |
(back in 2013/2014) |
| 15:41 |
benrob0329 |
Lol |
| 15:41 |
Calinou |
I stopped using them though |
| 15:41 |
Calinou |
even my Yakuake is opaque |
| 15:41 |
Calinou |
it's more readable this way |
| 15:41 |
benrob0329 |
Eh, depends |
| 15:41 |
benrob0329 |
On how your background is, as well as how transparent the terminal background is |
| 15:42 |
tenplus1 |
only transparent thing on my desky is the taskbar ;) |
| 15:43 |
benrob0329 |
No window borders + bit of a gap around windows = beautiful |
| 15:43 |
tenplus1 |
nice... sounds speedy to updat |
| 15:43 |
Calinou |
the task bar here on KDE is translucent too |
| 15:44 |
Calinou |
only slightly |
| 15:44 |
benrob0329 |
Ill probably need to swap out vanilla i3 for i3-gaps though |
| 15:44 |
benrob0329 |
Add some functionality in that department |
| 15:47 |
benrob0329 |
Funny thing about terminal apps |
| 15:47 |
benrob0329 |
Theu have the ultimate flat theme |
| 15:48 |
tenplus1 |
I do like flat themes, they redraw a lot quicker |
| 15:49 |
benrob0329 |
http://ranger.nongnu.org/ |
| 15:52 |
Calinou |
https://github.com/sorin-ionescu/prezto - https://the.exa.website/ - http://jonas.nitro.dk/tig/ - https://micro-editor.github.io/ - http://vim.spf13.com/ - http://tldr-pages.github.io/ |
| 15:52 |
Calinou |
ultimate command line starter pack ^ |
| 15:52 |
benrob0329 |
ranger + themed urxvt + image/video preview enabled = nice |
| 15:53 |
Jordach |
Calinou, thats a good example of https://thebestmotherfucking.website/ |
| 15:53 |
benrob0329 |
Kek |
| 15:53 |
Calinou |
I use all of these, makes CLI much better |
| 15:53 |
Jordach |
Calinou, this one specifically https://the.exa.website/ |
| 15:53 |
Calinou |
yeah, domain is nice |
| 15:53 |
benrob0329 |
Jordach: you were too slow, I posted that a couple weeks ago |
| 15:54 |
Jordach |
http://jonas.nitro.dk/tig/ is a http://motherfuckingwebsite.com/ |
| 15:54 |
nerzhul |
Calinou, it's not in 2013/2014 but in 2016 |
| 15:55 |
nerzhul |
since these day i switched to terminology :D |
| 15:55 |
Jordach |
>TODO Disabled due to service being offline, and not likely to come online again, in this form |
| 15:55 |
Jordach |
ahhhh |
| 15:55 |
Jordach |
i seeeee |
| 15:57 |
Jordach |
at least i've got innovation down to a T in MT |
| 15:58 |
benrob0329 |
Great, now make it run gud |
| 15:58 |
Jordach |
already does that |
| 15:59 |
benrob0329 |
Meh, not really |
| 15:59 |
benrob0329 |
MT doesn't scale with the hardware well |
| 15:59 |
Jordach |
benrob0329, it's based on tabs, but makes it better overall |
| 16:00 |
benrob0329 |
I don't think you understood my statement |
| 16:00 |
benrob0329 |
I'm talking performance |
| 16:02 |
rubenwardy |
!g terminology |
| 16:02 |
ShadowBot |
rubenwardy: Terminology - Wikipedia - Terminology is the study of terms and their use. Terms are words and compound words or multi-word expressions that in specific contexts are given specific meanings ... </l/?kh=-1&uddg=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FTerminology>, Terminology - definition of terminology by The Free Dictionary - ter·mi·nol·o·gy (tûr′mÉ™-nÅl′ə-jÄ“) n. pl. (7 more messages) |
| 16:03 |
rubenwardy |
!g terminology terminal |
| 16:03 |
ShadowBot |
rubenwardy: About Terminology - Download Terminology Here. Code quality - Coverity scan status. Terminology is a terminal emulator for Linux/BSD/UNIX etc. systems that uses EFL and has a whole bunch ... </l/?kh=-1&uddg=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.enlightenment.org%2Fabout%2Dterminology>, GitHub - billiob/terminology: The best terminal emulator ... - terminology - The best terminal emulator based on (6 more messages) |
| 16:04 |
tenplus1 |
didnt know we had google searches in chat |
| 16:09 |
benrob0329 |
!benrob0329 terminology |
| 16:10 |
tenplus1 |
!g xanadu minetest |
| 16:10 |
ShadowBot |
tenplus1: Minetest Forums • View topic - Xanadu Server - Minetest Forums. The official Minetest discussion board. ... fox from xanadu wrote:I got a lead on the greafer he loged in as creepersRFun mineing is with hem in this ... </l/?kh=-1&uddg=https%3A%2F%2Fforum.minetest.net%2Fviewtopic.php%3Fid%3D8494%26p%3D2>, Minetest Forums • View topic - Xanadu Server - Xanadu server runs the (6 more messages) |
| 16:10 |
benrob0329 |
Terminology is an EFL based terminal, features include image previews and in teminal videos. |
| 16:11 |
benrob0329 |
Terminology can be run in the Framebuffer as well. |
| 16:11 |
benrob0329 |
!g benrob0329 |
| 16:11 |
ShadowBot |
benrob0329: benrob0329 · GitHub - benrob0329 has 3 repositories available. Follow their code on GitHub. </l/?kh=-1&uddg=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fbenrob0329>, benrob0329's videos - Vidme - benrob0329 . Follow. 519 views; 54 video points; 23 comment points; 0 watching; Joined Dec 17, 2016 ; I post content mostly gaming videos) every Thursday. I also run ... (6 more messages) |
| 16:12 |
tenplus1 |
gotta admit, E17/bodhi linux is pretty amazing... fast as hell in 2d/3d for such low specs |
| 16:12 |
benrob0329 |
But enlightenment is...interesting |
| 16:12 |
benrob0329 |
Yes its fast, but everything feels almost-polished but not-quite-polished |
| 16:13 |
Wayward_One |
hi all :) |
| 16:13 |
tenplus1 |
I used it on desky for some time and it was a pleasure to use :) |
| 16:13 |
tenplus1 |
wb wayward |
| 16:13 |
benrob0329 |
Hi Wayward_One |
| 16:13 |
benrob0329 |
tenplus1: then why'd you stop? :-) |
| 16:14 |
tenplus1 |
I prefer no frills Lubuntu :)) it works well and low memory |
| 16:14 |
benrob0329 |
i3 ftw |
| 16:14 |
benrob0329 |
Simple as hell to configure, can swap the different parts of it too |
| 16:14 |
benrob0329 |
Wjat few there are anyways |
| 16:15 |
tenplus1 |
heh :P |
| 16:17 |
benrob0329 |
you've got i3, i3-status (the command that shows date etc on the task bar) and dmenu |
| 16:17 |
benrob0329 |
Oh, and i3bar, for the actual bar |
| 16:18 |
tenplus1 |
how much memory you using sittingon a normal desktop with nothing running but i3 ? |
| 16:18 |
benrob0329 |
dunno, I haven't checked |
| 16:18 |
benrob0329 |
Ill check in a few |
| 16:18 |
benrob0329 |
Got some stuff to do before I sit back down |
| 16:18 |
tenplus1 |
no probs :P |
| 16:19 |
tenplus1 |
my lxde desky uses 120mb memory on boot |
| 16:25 |
benrob0329 |
tenplus1: 167 mib, with Xorg being the most intensive thing running |
| 16:25 |
tenplus1 |
sounds about right :) what services u got running ? |
| 16:26 |
tenplus1 |
network manager, power manager, screensaver ? etc |
| 16:27 |
benrob0329 |
Network is just dhcpd, power manager is just normal acpi, etc |
| 16:28 |
benrob0329 |
I haven't really needed anything more complex |
| 16:28 |
tenplus1 |
not bad... I use xfce_power cause of my ups |
| 16:28 |
Sokomine |
what's the status regarding pathfinding of mobs - if there are doors and other door-like items (probably even ladders) as part of the path? |
| 16:29 |
benrob0329 |
Ill probably install xsreensaver at some point, and figure out how to disable the default screen turn off |
| 16:29 |
benrob0329 |
Oh, I do have udevil + devmon running |
| 16:30 |
tenplus1 |
Sokomine: mobs api pathfinding is still quite simple.. 2 levels, level1 = find a way to get to player (works through water,plants), level2= build up, break walls (level1 only) |
| 16:32 |
tenplus1 |
oops,w ater+_plants not yet cause pull is still in progress... ehehe... |
| 16:37 |
tenplus1 |
line_of_sight and pathfinding both need a way to work it's way through "airlike" and "buildable_to" nodes |
| 16:38 |
tenplus1 |
prolly "floodable" as well |
| 16:49 |
Sokomine |
tenplus1: hmm. build up, break walls...that's certainly not desired. and it's not a player i'm after |
| 16:50 |
tenplus1 |
Sokomine: pathfinding for each mob can be set to off, level1 or level2 :) it's not always active |
| 16:50 |
Sokomine |
hmm. guess ladders will then pose a significant problem. same as doorlike nodes? |
| 16:50 |
tenplus1 |
there's a mod called aliveai that can handle doors and ladders for npcs |
| 16:51 |
Sokomine |
players are only of some intrest to the mobs :-) guess mostley they'll want to meet each other |
| 16:51 |
Sokomine |
ah :-) havn't tested it with doors and ladders yet. but the mod as such was very intresting and nice |
| 16:54 |
tenplus1 |
burli's new pathfinding routine looks promising tho, will look into that soon |
| 16:54 |
Sokomine |
maybe i ought to pre-calculate paths inside the houses. after all those are pretty fixed |
| 16:55 |
Sokomine |
trouble is that my half doors may not be recognizable to a mob as a door. and at least one house has the beds (=targets of the mobs at night) upstairs, reachable only through a ladder. maybe i ought to change that |
| 16:55 |
Sokomine |
still, stairs...not sure if they can use those? |
| 16:56 |
tenplus1 |
pathfinding can use stairs, it registers the air nodes above them as a path |
| 16:56 |
Sokomine |
ah. i had moved the beds downstairs in that one house. still, the miners need to know how to climb |
| 16:56 |
Sokomine |
ah. that's good! |
| 16:57 |
Sokomine |
player-made pathfinding or something out of core? |
| 16:57 |
tenplus1 |
burli has player made pathfinding which works a lot better than core... |
| 17:05 |
Sokomine |
sounds promising. there are so many nice mob mods out there |
| 17:05 |
tenplus1 |
indeed, many folk working on api's now :) it's great |
| 17:08 |
garywhite |
hi guys |
| 17:10 |
Sokomine |
hi |
| 17:10 |
tenplus1 |
hi gary |
| 17:12 |
benrob0329 |
Hi garywhite |
| 17:15 |
lisac |
hey MT devs, would it be possible to have some sort of movement prediction? So that carts move normally? |
| 17:15 |
lisac |
ex. They currently slide out of tracks on corners |
| 17:16 |
lisac |
and go forwards-backwards |
| 17:16 |
Sokomine |
that's been wished for for a long time. maybe with client side modding it'll eventually work |
| 17:18 |
lisac |
:( It took 2 years to build railway on Craig's server lol |
| 17:18 |
lisac |
and it's mostly unused due to movement bugs. |
| 17:18 |
lisac |
can server mods send data to the client mods? |
| 17:18 |
tenplus1 |
I thought new carts setup did just that, predict the rail ahead ? |
| 17:30 |
Shara |
Hello all |
| 17:31 |
tenplus1 |
hi shara :D |
| 17:31 |
VanessaE |
hi |
| 17:32 |
Shara |
Every day this channel seems busier! |
| 17:32 |
tenplus1 |
hopefully that's a good thing ;D |
| 17:33 |
VanessaE |
a very good thing :) |
| 17:35 |
Calinou |
hi |
| 17:35 |
Calinou |
https://lut.im/rrW1vBoEyx/BRjpZtNvG7drHM6G.png |
| 17:35 |
Calinou |
:D |
| 17:35 |
Calinou |
(https://deployer.org/) |
| 17:35 |
rubenwardy |
you know what feature Minetest is missing the most? |
| 17:35 |
rubenwardy |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=17576 |
| 17:35 |
rubenwardy |
/s |
| 17:36 |
tenplus1 |
gender ?? nooooooo keep that outta the forum AND especially game |
| 17:38 |
Calinou |
male/female/cyborg |
| 17:38 |
Calinou |
like Quake 2 :D |
| 17:38 |
Calinou |
the cyborg is always taken by noobs though |
| 17:38 |
Calinou |
and all pros use female model, because its sounds are quieter and the shape thinner |
| 17:40 |
Calinou |
also, the last replies of that thread are gold, rubenwardy |
| 17:40 |
Calinou |
they just scream "lava is hot" to me :P |
| 17:40 |
tenplus1 |
lolol |
| 17:41 |
rubenwardy |
Offtopic is leaking in to other sections |
| 17:41 |
VanessaE |
nuke "offtopic" from orbit./ |
| 17:42 |
Calinou |
heh, there is a spambot on the forums, it set an… ICQ address |
| 17:42 |
Calinou |
and a Jabber |
| 17:42 |
Calinou |
anyway, dealt with it |
| 17:43 |
rubenwardy |
setting a Jabber address should result in an immediate ban from the forums |
| 17:43 |
rubenwardy |
like, ip ban |
| 17:43 |
tenplus1 |
? |
| 17:44 |
Calinou |
phpBB has fields (by default) for ICQ/Jabber |
| 17:44 |
Calinou |
and personal website too |
| 17:44 |
Calinou |
very few legitimate people fill the ICQ and Jabber ones |
| 17:44 |
tenplus1 |
could never remember my ancient icq and jabber account :P |
| 17:45 |
Calinou |
I never used these really |
| 17:46 |
tenplus1 |
sweeeet, today's dev build works well... chests back to 'main' and shara's no highlight pull works well :)) am using it as def. |
| 17:49 |
Shara |
:D |
| 17:49 |
tenplus1 |
looks a lot cleaner now, no more hovering halo or boxes over everything I look at :) |
| 17:49 |
Calinou |
HAHAHA |
| 17:50 |
Calinou |
I tried… http://wiki.minetest.net/index.php?title=Minetest.conf%2Ffr&diff=15420&oldid=11930 |
| 17:50 |
Calinou |
had to do another edit to fix it, http://wiki.minetest.net/index.php?title=Minetest.conf%2Ffr&diff=15421&oldid=15420 |
| 17:50 |
benrob0329 |
heh, xscreensaver's pong can act as a clock |
| 17:52 |
tenplus1 |
lol |
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| 17:54 |
tenplus1 |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/1732 has 1.5 approval... it's a-going in :PPP |
| 17:55 |
Calinou |
benrob0329: try Xonotic 0.8.2 |
| 17:55 |
Calinou |
it has built-in multiplayer minigames (sometimes up to 4 players) |
| 17:55 |
Calinou |
pong, connect four, and more |
| 17:55 |
tenplus1 |
lolol |
| 17:56 |
VanessaE |
tenplus1: I don't think half an approval is enough to push it over the top |
| 17:56 |
VanessaE |
I need more :+1:'s |
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| 17:56 |
tenplus1 |
lol... 1.5 isnt half bad :PP ahah |
| 17:56 |
tenplus1 |
hi cx384 |
| 17:56 |
cx384 |
hi tenplus1 |
| 17:57 |
cx384 |
and hi all others |
| 17:57 |
Calinou |
https://lut.im/ezqhNXpQiv/EgfEiZBzjhxPAyml.jpg |
| 17:58 |
Calinou |
you can play against a bot in Tic-Tac-Toe and pong |
| 17:58 |
Calinou |
pong can be played with 2/3/4 players |
| 17:58 |
Calinou |
other games are usually 2 players only, and no bots |
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tenplus1 |
wb rubenwardy |
| 18:04 |
rubenwardy |
yo yo |
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tenplus1 |
933 ads blocked and counting o.O |
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| 19:50 |
tenplus1 |
wb nrz |
| 20:01 |
VanessaE |
tenplus1: there was a bug once on the "occupy democrats" where it would get stuck in a loop, loading more and more and more ads, that ABP and Ublock-origin would catch, eventually over 2k |
| 20:01 |
VanessaE |
the .. website* |
| 20:01 |
VanessaE |
they eventually fixed it |
| 20:02 |
tenplus1 |
so far ublock is reporting 970 blocked ads for this one single video as I watch it it goes up |
| 20:02 |
benrob0329 |
Heh |
| 20:02 |
tenplus1 |
also, was the AsyncErr cleared for mesecond with the https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/1732 in place ? |
| 20:02 |
benrob0329 |
*turns off ublock* |
| 20:03 |
benrob0329 |
*computer explodes* |
| 20:03 |
tenplus1 |
noooooo, ublock is saving me |
| 20:03 |
VanessaE |
I assume it was simply the website trying to detect that ads aren't loading, and repeating attempts to load them |
| 20:03 |
tenplus1 |
youtube has some major memory issues on browsers tho |
| 20:04 |
Shara |
It's blocking into the hundreds for me right now as well |
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| 20:05 |
tenplus1 |
wb rubenwardy |
| 20:05 |
benrob0329 |
The problem is that I want to support creators |
| 20:05 |
rubenwardy |
yo |
| 20:05 |
Shara |
H rubenwardy |
| 20:05 |
Shara |
Hi* |
| 20:05 |
benrob0329 |
'Sup ruben? |
| 20:06 |
* benrob0329 |
says that with a new york gangsta' voice |
| 20:06 |
tenplus1 |
lol |
| 20:07 |
benrob0329 |
Actually, idk that I can do a new york impression |
| 20:07 |
tenplus1 |
do it in a brummy accent :D |
| 20:17 |
* Jordach |
has Worms 2 flashbacks |
| 20:18 |
tenplus1 |
great game :D |
| 20:18 |
Jordach |
or Armageddon |
| 20:18 |
tenplus1 |
surprisingly the video I'm watching is every amiga game released in one video... over 7hrs... been playing in the background most of teh day :P worms is just about coming up |
| 20:18 |
Jordach |
LEMMINGS |
| 20:18 |
tenplus1 |
lemmings worlds :D |
| 20:19 |
VanessaE |
thanks a lot, Jordach |
| 20:19 |
VanessaE |
now I have the one of the tunes from the c64 version stuck in my head. |
| 20:19 |
Jordach |
VanessaE, you expect me to program lemmings in MT |
| 20:19 |
VanessaE |
(I think it's "Can Can") |
| 20:19 |
Jordach |
(alright, i'd probably end up doing it 1:1) |
| 20:19 |
tenplus1 |
lemmings is possible in mt :D |
| 20:20 |
Jordach |
*does it in formspecs* |
| 20:20 |
tenplus1 |
hahaha |
| 20:20 |
tenplus1 |
for some reason I have "thing on a spring" theme playing in my head now ?!?!?! |
| 20:22 |
Jordach |
VanessaE, no flimbos quest, turrican, wing commander? |
| 20:22 |
VanessaE |
never played any of those, though I vaguely remember Flimbo's Quest (from the "Back in Time III" album) |
| 20:22 |
Jordach |
not forgetting battle squadron |
| 20:22 |
VanessaE |
Parallax :) |
| 20:22 |
Jordach |
(these may be amiga era) |
| 20:23 |
tenplus1 |
amiga was a great gaming machine.... so many memories :P |
| 20:23 |
* Jordach |
performs black magic and somehow gets MT server running on a Amiga |
| 20:23 |
tenplus1 |
Xenon II ... Speedball II ... Extase ... Psygnosis :P |
| 20:23 |
VanessaE |
that shouldn't be hard, Amigas are fairly powerful for the era |
| 20:24 |
VanessaE |
(and they're 32 bit, with good graphics for the time) |
| 20:24 |
Jordach |
http://i.imgur.com/ZF3EyNM.jpg |
| 20:24 |
tenplus1 |
oh yes... has the ability to hit 1280x768 at 4096 colours |
| 20:24 |
VanessaE |
good lort |
| 20:24 |
VanessaE |
lord* |
| 20:24 |
tenplus1 |
lol Jordach |
| 20:25 |
Jordach |
http://i.imgur.com/ivoQ6At.mp4 |
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tenplus1 |
wb Darcidride |
| 20:34 |
tenplus1 |
lol, couldnt help but notice than in the old amiga titles for boxing or soccer managers they have the old-style rotary telephones on the desk :D |
| 20:42 |
tenplus1 |
sleepy time... nite all :) |
| 20:42 |
tenplus1 |
o/ |
| 20:42 |
Raven262 |
o/ |
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| 20:50 |
KaadmY |
Is there currently a way to set a callback for when the player opens their inventory? |
| 20:56 |
KaadmY |
I need it to update the formspec depending on your current inventory |
| 20:56 |
KaadmY |
I might be able to just set the player's formspec when the inventory changes, might be too messy though... |
| 20:59 |
rubenwardy |
no |
| 21:01 |
KaadmY |
:/ |
| 21:03 |
KaadmY |
Darn, it's also impossible to have callbacks when the player inventory changes... |
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| 23:32 |
paramat |
another beautiful spacex launch |
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| 23:38 |
* Jordach |
thinks about buying paramat elite dangerous |
| 23:44 |
red-005 |
so why are they not recovering the first stage? |
| 23:47 |
paramat |
big satellite going to a high orbit, not enough spare fuel for a landing |
| 23:48 |
paramat |
this satellite was originally going to be launced by falcon heavy |
| 23:48 |
paramat |
*launched |
| 23:50 |
paramat |
that will have the power to launch to a high orbit and land the 3 boosters |
| 23:53 |
Jordach |
i got a bug |
| 23:53 |
Jordach |
a big big bug |
| 23:53 |
Jordach |
DIR_DELIM in builtin does not work at all on windows |
| 23:54 |
Jordach |
Could not open file of texture: C:UsersjordaDesktopminetest-0.4.15texturesbasepackui_button.png |
| 23:55 |
rubenwardy |
is this using your modified main menu? |
| 23:55 |
Jordach |
rubenwardy, seems to be a windows bug |
| 23:56 |
paramat |
i used to play elite on a sinclair ZX spectrum 48K |
| 23:56 |
Jordach |
rubenwardy, DIR_DELIM is also in the C/++ codebase |
| 23:56 |
Jordach |
it is broken specifically on Win64 |
| 23:56 |
Jordach |
(and likely Win32) |
| 23:57 |
Jordach |
it's not a problem in Lua, since "/" is translated to "\" irregardless of platform |
| 23:57 |
Jordach |
when dealing with filepaths |
| 23:57 |
Jordach |
(which is what it does to load textures) |
