Time Nick Message 00:00 Fixer red-005: testing will take lots of time, since I have no way reproducing it apart from sitting on server waiting for that fucker with invalid chars 00:00 Fixer red-005: i hope it helps anyway 00:00 Fixer red-005: if it does not crash for long away, or other devs approve it for sure, will see 00:08 Shara Hi KaadmY. I assume it's you rubenwardy was trying to add, so I just did it :) 00:09 KaadmY Yeah 00:40 Calinou https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/1443#issuecomment-264697934 00:40 Calinou heh 00:41 Calinou I should -1 these comments whenever I see them, lol 00:41 Calinou GitLab allows arbitrary emoji as reactions, but GitHub doesn't :( 00:41 Calinou else :suspect: would make a very good emoji for this kind of stuff :P 00:44 benrob0329 Calinou: why dont we use gitlab then? :P 00:44 benrob0329 I joined Github because of the fact that minetest is on there 00:44 Calinou heh 00:44 Calinou popularity, I guess 00:44 Calinou GitHub is far more known than GitLab 00:44 Calinou I told someone about GitLab recently, they did not even know about it 00:45 Calinou but they knew about BitBucket for some reason 00:45 benrob0329 heh 00:45 Calinou also, someone sent me this video, it's almost 10 years old 00:45 Calinou lol 00:45 Calinou https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RStHv63xgWk 00:45 Calinou 4:3 240p in all its glory 00:45 davisonio Gitlab is really good feature wise but everyone uses GH or BB because everyone's on it 01:39 Hijiri I think it has problems with scaling 01:39 Hijiri A space station 13 fork (large codebase for whatever reason) tried to migrate to gitlab but kept having problems 05:27 benrob0329 heyyy 05:27 benrob0329 i got userspace mounting to work 05:28 benrob0329 and automounting on top of thay 05:59 benrob0329 Hi lumidify, nerzhul 05:59 lumidify Hi benrob0329 06:00 benrob0329 Whats up? 06:01 lumidify The sky :P 06:02 benrob0329 Heh, well I got udevil + devmon working: P 06:02 lumidify Oooh, that was actually on my list of things to do... I should do that sometime 06:03 benrob0329 its not hard, just gotta remember to add yourself to the right group to execute /usr/bin/udevil 06:04 benrob0329 don't remember what it was off the top of my head 06:04 benrob0329 Its just ater 2 in the morning here, I should go to bed 06:05 lumidify I'll look it up whenever I have time 06:05 benrob0329 Gnight, see ya'll in several hours 06:05 lumidify Good night! 08:15 shivajiva Hi nerzhul 08:29 tenplus1 hi folks 08:31 atorian37 hi all, need help how to load worledit mod from github, have not done that till today. I am using linux shell with ssh/tmux. 08:32 tenplus1 hi zeno, hi atorian37 08:33 Zeno` hi three 08:33 nerzhul hi shivajiva 08:33 atorian37 i loaded the worldedit.zip from release page but that one seems to be leaky 08:33 Zeno` (tenplus1) 08:33 tenplus1 hi nrz :P 08:34 atorian37 someone crashed the server with a chat command... 08:35 VanessaE atorian37: get rid of the worldedit_gui mod 08:35 VanessaE just delete that component from the modpack 08:36 tenplus1 hi Vanessa 08:36 tenplus1 seems the _gui is being a real pain lately 08:36 VanessaE hi. 08:37 shivajiva Hi ten 08:37 shivajiva Hi Vanessa 08:37 tenplus1 hi shiva :P 08:37 atorian37 VanessaE Hi VanessaE, thanks I will do that. So also the newest release ist leaky? 08:37 shivajiva no it's patched 08:38 VanessaE atorian37: I don't know what the "newest release" actually IS. 08:38 VanessaE a zip may not be the current git HEAD of worldedit 08:38 atorian37 VanessaE, hmm mybe 1.1, not sure at all. 08:39 shivajiva https://github.com/Uberi/Minetest-WorldEdit 08:39 VanessaE atorian37: just get rid of the _gui component and it should be fine. check your auth.txt, make sure no one has privs that shouldn't. check your config files in the world dir also, make sure none of them contain any code (as opposed to just settings). delete any that do. enable mod security if you haven't already. 08:40 shivajiva I use this cmd /lua for name,stuff in pairs(minetest.auth_table) do if stuff.privileges["protection_bypass"] == true then minetest.chat_send_player("shivajiva", name.." has protection_bypass priv") end end 08:40 shivajiva when the server is running 08:41 shivajiva easily changed for any priv 08:41 atorian37 cool thank you all for the hints 08:41 VanessaE I just `grep "server" auth.txt` 08:41 VanessaE anyone who shows up with that priv and shouldn't gets stripped of privs and possibly banned. 08:42 shivajiva yea I used to but this is nice for on the fly checking when a suspect is online 08:44 shivajiva from irc as well ;) 08:50 CWz hey VanessaE 08:50 tenplus1 hi CWz 08:50 VanessaE hi 08:53 shivajiva Have you ever seen your personal information on a public forum? Have you even seen your personal information “grayed out”? If you have, know that it is not only cowardly, but also illegal. There is a name for it: doxing. 08:55 shivajiva Doxing is always illegal, whether it is done against a federal employee, a state employee, or a regular person. There are federal and state laws that specifically address doxing government employees. With regular citizens, doxing falls under various state criminal laws, such as stalking, cyberstalking, harassment, threats, and other such laws, depending on the state. 08:56 CWz shivajiva, huh? 08:56 CWz You've been doxed? 08:56 shivajiva for the record :) 08:56 shivajiva what do you call what OC is doing? 08:56 CWz What is he doing. did he dox someone? 08:57 shivajiva minetest.org 08:57 VanessaE has he spread more than just a general location (city, county)? i.e. phone number, home address, that sort of thing? 08:57 VanessaE minetest.org tl;dr 08:58 shivajiva he's tying nicks to real identities or attempting to, where is the line? 08:58 VanessaE that's the line. 08:58 shivajiva okay 08:58 VanessaE personally identifying info as we call it here. 08:58 CWz tl;dr 08:58 atorian37 VanessaE Thanks, I am set so far I think, I have checked, no one but me has "server" as a priv, I removed the _gui part of worldedit mod and mod security was already on. thank you! in the log i see a player starting a chat an then the log only shows "ERROR[SERVER] please update your worldedit version. it leaks" 08:58 VanessaE a person's real name is verboten. 08:59 CWz quote pz 08:59 VanessaE atorian37: ah, I know the source of that. you're probably safe now that you removed that mod. 08:59 Zeno` Nore's real name is in credits 08:59 Zeno` so is mine 08:59 Zeno` so is celeron55's 08:59 tenplus1 did you provide your names fore credits ? 08:59 Zeno` so is hmmmm's 08:59 VanessaE atorian37: a certain white hat among the community did that for your protection. 08:59 Zeno` yes 09:00 VanessaE Zeno`: all illegal, since none of the above gave permission for their names to be displayed so. 09:00 Zeno` huh? We did give permission for them to be displayed in the credits tab 09:00 Zeno` and also on github 09:00 nerzhul what is the problem ? 09:00 VanessaE (mind you, I don't care about my real name being shown versus an alias, rather I don't want my name or nick being shown at all, period) 09:00 VanessaE Zeno`: that's a different matter. 09:01 VanessaE the credits page of Minetest is a limited-exposure medium, 09:01 VanessaE a web page isn't. 09:01 VanessaE people gave their permission to include their names in the credits, not on OC's website. 09:01 VanessaE problem is if you ask for removal, well... Streisand Effect. 09:03 tenplus1 may I borrow someone's c++ skills in minetest please ? 09:03 tenplus1 hi celeron55 09:04 tenplus1 hi richard 09:04 CWz i shmell a Var camming 09:04 shivajiva And as Lt Columbo always says: Just one more thing ... “Bullies are cowards.” Always push back. 09:04 CWz the follovers of OC vs the MT People 09:05 * CWz rans avay 09:05 celeron55 i set proper flags for so many people, but apparently not for myself, lol 09:05 shivajiva lol 09:06 celeron55 i wanted to say: defamation is also a thing 09:06 shivajiva v.true 09:06 CWz Has there been any more attacks on servers 09:06 VanessaE quite true. 09:06 * CWz is away from the keyboard. 09:08 shivajiva CWz: I have not heard of any incidences today as yet 09:11 atorian37 VanessaE oh ok, so I will thank him/her later for that information. do you mean to completely remove it or only the _gui part? 09:11 VanessaE atorian37: just remove the _gui component. 09:11 VanessaE you can update it to latest git HEAD, but removing it is easier 09:11 VanessaE and no one really uses it anyway 09:12 atorian37 VanessaE ok I did...puh thanks. 09:17 * tenplus1 hides everything 09:18 paramat wise 09:20 VanessaE paramat: tenplus1 is a wiseass anyway ;) 09:20 tenplus1 my ass has a deploma 09:20 shivajiva LOL 09:20 VanessaE lol 09:23 tenplus1 sadly not for c++ code :PPPP 09:23 tenplus1 am googling a lot here trying to fix this 09:37 nerzhul paramat, it has no interest, it's written in our git log :) 09:38 nerzhul and this problem is a non problem in fact, we just don't care, he cannot do anything to us 09:39 paramat yeah 09:45 * CWz is lucky that he never gives out information 09:45 CWz I don't even giveout my email adresss 09:45 CWz *personal email addresses 09:46 tenplus1 +1 09:47 CWz got to the part where he doxes Nore 09:47 tenplus1 oo.O 09:48 CWz dang, the ones who siad OC was doxxing wasn't kidding 09:48 shivajiva :/ 09:48 shivajiva You can usually tell when I'm kidding 09:50 DI3HARD139 Not sure if this is the appropriate channel to ask this in but, Were there changes to how the mapgens write to the database? I attempted to rollback to 0.4.14 due to mass instability issues but its complaining about version mismatching 09:50 tenplus1 eek 09:50 CWz It a missmatch made in hell 09:50 shivajiva not sure you can go back, can anyone confirm? 09:51 paramat yes there was mapblock version bump 09:51 paramat in recent master 09:51 paramat will link details .. 09:51 DI3HARD139 Alrighty then. Guess will remove and recompile 0.4.15 09:52 tenplus1 hi ruben 09:52 shivajiva o/ 09:52 DI3HARD139 Hello ruben 09:53 paramat are you rolling back from a recent 0.4.15dev? 09:54 DI3HARD139 If ~26 days is recent enough then yep 09:55 * tenplus1 turns rollback off anyhoo :P 09:55 paramat see 1st post here https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/4682 09:56 paramat that PR was merged 13 Feb 09:56 shivajiva don't you want a 13 Gb rollback file ten? 09:56 tenplus1 lol, I disable for performance gain... server backed up when I need it 09:56 DI3HARD139 Try a 30GB log file 09:59 paramat 'instability issues' as in you were fed up with using a dev version? 09:59 DI3HARD139 hmmm??? 10:00 DI3HARD139 Oh no. Just general issues. Unable to write to files, Files randomly disappearing after server crashes after hitting memory errors, Mods randomly unloading themselves 10:01 DI3HARD139 alrighty then... missed a few words there 10:01 shivajiva I have wondered what the performance hit was and if it was significantly increased with db size using rollback 10:01 DI3HARD139 memory errors = hitting lua memory limit 10:01 CWz DI3HARD139, did you update worldedit_gui 10:02 DI3HARD139 Tried to. Crashes on load. I last tried a week ago though. 10:02 VanessaE DI3HARD139: any messages in the log? 10:02 VanessaE like a warning telling you to update? 10:02 DI3HARD139 Nope none 10:02 VanessaE ok 10:03 VanessaE (someone here, I won't name names, used the exploit to take down several servers, just to warn their owners to update for safety sake) 10:03 DI3HARD139 I wonder if that has something to do with all my servers having the profiles reset... 10:04 tenplus1 lol 10:04 DI3HARD139 I kid you not. auths, player save files, ban lists were wiped 10:04 shivajiva I informed all the admins on DI3HARD139's server when skyblocks was hit so plebs has been sorting things 10:05 DI3HARD139 I'll have to ask what he's checked. I know the profiles are back. Gotta love MySQL 10:05 DI3HARD139 at least the auths anyways 10:06 VanessaE sure, a full disk can result in deleted files 10:06 DI3HARD139 Updating worldedit now while I have the worlds down 10:06 VanessaE had something similar happen recently 10:07 VanessaE due to huge rollback logs and huge debug logs 10:07 VanessaE and too many days' worth of backups 10:07 DI3HARD139 You using 3x 120GB SSDs as well? 10:07 tenplus1 hi fixer 10:07 VanessaE 2x 300 GB SSD in striped RAID 10:07 Fixer hi 10:07 DI3HARD139 dang. knew I should've chosen that one :P 10:07 CWz DI3HARD139, sorry for your loss 10:08 shivajiva I know that one Vanessa, only the once, lesson learned :/ 10:08 DI3HARD139 Nah. 26.1GB | 83.1GB | 59.2GB free on the drives 10:08 CWz VanessaE, would it be a good idea to start server instances under a diffrent username? 10:10 DI3HARD139 Imma also snag 0.2.20110731_3 just for something to do later 10:10 CWz 0.2 mt server? 10:11 DI3HARD139 idk which it is. Not sure when the server portion was added. 10:11 VanessaE CWz: if you want, I can create you a new account for the purpose. you may want to consider running ALL of your server instances from there. 10:12 CWz i also wonder if there's much point to that, since all i have in the home folder is minetest servers. 10:14 VanessaE well, I have my own account on my server, but my minetest instances have their own account also 10:14 VanessaE but then again, I have more than just minetest instances running, like my website. 10:14 shivajiva Fixer: o/ 10:14 VanessaE morning, Fixer_ 10:17 DI3HARD139 morning fixer 10:20 DI3HARD139 Quick question. Whats the difference between an "A" record and a "CNAME" record? 10:20 VanessaE a CNAME record is like a symbolic link 10:21 VanessaE an A record is like the original file 10:21 shivajiva The A record maps a name to one or more IP addresses, when the IP are known and stable. The CNAME record maps a name to another name. It should only be used when there are no other records on that name. The ALIAS record maps a name to another name, but in turns it can coexist with other records on that name. 10:21 VanessaE if you compare it to a filesystemn, that is 10:22 rubenwardy you should prefer a cname record if you're pointing at a server and have a name for it 10:22 rubenwardy unless it's a root record 10:23 rubenwardy for example CNAME www -> example.github.io 10:23 rubenwardy but you have to do A @ -> 69.23.23.34 10:23 * CWz wonders if VanessaE thought mroe about her paid hosting plan idea. 10:23 CWz MT needs a good one 10:23 rubenwardy where @ is root (eg: rubenwardy.com, not www. or subdomain) 10:23 rubenwardy erm 10:24 rubenwardy I mean @ stands for root 10:24 CWz 15% of all earnings go to starving minetest devs 10:24 VanessaE I have not given it any thought 10:24 shivajiva VanessaE: I think it's a great idea 10:24 DI3HARD139 Ok. So basically the CNAME is just for use with subdomains. Ok. Just trying to figure out which to use to pass multiple connection names to the server. ex. mt.krynet.tk and hce.krynet.tk 10:25 rubenwardy also with www, DI3HARD139 10:25 rubenwardy they say you should avoid using http://example.com, and use http://www.example.com, but I don't like that 10:25 rubenwardy hence http://rubenwardy.com 10:25 shivajiva ^ 10:26 CWz I wonder what http://rubenwardy.com is all about 10:26 VanessaE shivajiva, CWz I lack the skills to write and maintain a good user interface for same 10:26 VanessaE NOW, 10:26 rubenwardy https://github.com/rubenwardy/minetest_web_panel 10:26 rubenwardy old though 10:27 VanessaE if someone wants to write a good user interface and manage it, using my hardware, I'm game for that as long as I get a significant cut of the profits. 10:27 VanessaE or I may be anyway 10:29 nerzhul rubenwardy, many dead links 10:29 rubenwardy ah, I made rufunge private yet it still links to it 10:30 DI3HARD139 I gave that web panel a shot @rubenwardy. Aside form crashing upon attempting to communicate with the MT process, It seems like a great start. 10:30 DI3HARD139 and stable 10:30 rubenwardy yeah 10:31 rubenwardy I never got it to a nice standard 10:31 rubenwardy nerzhul, my website or the repo? 10:31 DI3HARD139 Now how the heck did MTF get mysql_auth to run with mod security on..... afk working on that for a bit 10:31 CWz I think i saw another minetest host somewhere 10:31 rubenwardy minetesthosting.com 10:32 DI3HARD139 minetesthosting is a joke. Though the thought is there. 10:32 VanessaE well like I said, I'm willing to lend my hardware to the project if the conditions are good. 10:32 CWz found it's redit page 10:32 DI3HARD139 Nothing can beat the value of OVH/SoYouStart/Kimsufi though 10:32 CWz https://www.reddit.com/r/Minetest/comments/4v6q2v/i_created_a_minetest_hosting_service_looking_for/ 10:33 shivajiva I'm told the contact doesn't respond to emails and hasn't updated since 0.4.14 on minetesthosting 10:33 DI3HARD139 nope 10:33 DI3HARD139 and the server lags out after about 2 players 10:33 CWz there this: https://minetestserver.hosting/ 10:33 CWz but it not available yet 10:33 nerzhul 40$/month to upload games & mods, with that price you can host 4 MT servers on a decent machine on french datacenters 10:34 DI3HARD139 Correction. They changed it to 3 users 10:34 DI3HARD139 ikr 10:34 VanessaE nerzhul: try a dozen or more instances. 10:34 CWz and this: http://www.roanokehobby.net/ 10:34 VanessaE $42/mo for my box has enough CPU, memory, network, and disk to host at least a dozen, probably more, depending on how heavy they are (especially CPU-wise) 10:35 DI3HARD139 I recently upgraded mine and pay $50USD for 32GB ram , 3x 120GB SSDs and a Xeon E3-1245v2 10:35 DI3HARD139 Though system optimization is key. Not so much the specs 10:35 sfan5 minetest.org isn't archiveable by archive.is 10:35 sfan5 nice meme 10:39 DI3HARD139 Sounds about like what told me 10:39 VanessaE ninja'd :) 10:39 tenplus1 ;P 10:39 DI3HARD139 ^^^^^ 10:39 * tenplus1 needs food to become more ninja 10:39 tenplus1 brb 10:40 DI3HARD139 afk. Gotta turn mod security off so I can get the worlds back online 10:40 shivajiva irc mod lol 10:40 DI3HARD139 ?? 10:41 shivajiva needs require() 10:41 VanessaE add it to your secure trusted mods 10:41 DI3HARD139 Oh that one isn't the issue. mysql_auth is 10:41 VanessaE leave mod security enabled. 10:41 VanessaE oh 10:42 rubenwardy recent events have proven the needs 10:42 rubenwardy also, why can't you require from an insecure env for mysql? 10:42 DI3HARD139 I wonder if they updated it recently 10:42 shivajiva doesn't work for me adding it, must be doing something wrong 10:42 DI3HARD139 Waiting on cloudflare to update so I have a few more minutes 10:43 shivajiva just get a message complaining about Require() and it stops 10:44 rubenwardy minetest.request_insecure_environment().require('luamodulename') 10:47 VanessaE indeed! 10:48 DI3HARD139 I saw that and was like "What the...???" 10:49 DI3HARD139 I see they took the saying "when pigs fly" to the next level :P 10:50 DI3HARD139 aside from a "hello" every now and then 10:52 tenplus1 :P 10:52 tenplus1 lolol 10:52 DI3HARD139 That's another thing to do today. Order some RG-11 cable. Gotta love pop in thoughts 10:53 DI3HARD139 I think Im starting to see everything lol 10:53 CWz https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRzEciiJesE 10:53 VanessaE DI3HARD139: also you're low on sardines and brake fluid, 10:53 VanessaE :) 10:53 DI3HARD139 Brake fluid yes. Sardines heck no. Too salty 10:53 VanessaE lol 10:56 DI3HARD139 Vanessa: Do you have your drives in raid or independent? 10:56 CWz MT needs a masscot 10:57 DI3HARD139 no comment :P 10:57 VanessaE DI3HARD139: striped RAID. 10:57 tenplus1 I kinda like the little island logo we already have 10:57 VanessaE (there's only two) 10:57 DI3HARD139 Might be where my mistake was 10:58 VanessaE I figured with only 600 GB to work with, I may as well stripe them and get 80% more speed anyway 10:58 CWz Lump of dirt; datz boring mascot. 10:58 CWz we need a cartoony sam along with it 10:58 rubenwardy CWz, dungeon master 10:58 tenplus1 https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=minetest+logo&client=ubuntu&hs=BGG&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjzy-P-3vHTAhXHDsAKHfVgAZUQ_AUICigB&biw=1142&bih=657 I like it :D 10:58 VanessaE (backups are written to the same drives as the primary data, but minimal backups are also sent to FTP, and cheapie has a script that runs weekly to fetch the downloadable worlds as well, so multiple levels of backups) 10:59 DI3HARD139 I have mine set to independent disks. Wasn't certain which to choose given the system is headless 10:59 CWz cereal style cartoon sam mascot. with avatars of missing players on the back 10:59 DI3HARD139 I wish JBOD was an option 10:59 CWz What a JBOD 11:00 tenplus1 nah... everything these days has an avatar... it gets annoying after a while 11:00 DI3HARD139 Just a bunch of disks 11:00 * shivajiva is jeally of such a nicely engineered backup 11:00 shivajiva *jelly 11:01 CWz Mascots make things appealing to an audience, minecraft has shit mascot that why it so unpopular 11:01 CWz it's mascot is just dirt block 11:02 VanessaE DI3HARD139: RAID 0 11:02 VanessaE that's JBOD isn't it? 11:02 DI3HARD139 Raid 1 11:02 VanessaE (also called "linear" RAID) 11:02 VanessaE oh it is? 11:02 DI3HARD139 It just makes all the drives appear as 1 11:02 VanessaE well pfft 11:02 tenplus1 https://ducakedhare.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/minetest_logo_real_blockmen-289x300.png 11:02 DI3HARD139 so it just stripes 11:02 VanessaE I never know which number is which :P 11:03 CWz JBODy is ready 11:03 VanessaE LVM can do appending also 11:03 VanessaE if RAID won't work for you 11:03 VanessaE ("Logical Volume Manager/Management") 11:04 DI3HARD139 @rubenwardy: Just saw a message I missed. It has to write to the MySQL database which requires elevation from the sandbox MT runs its mods in. 11:04 CWz anyway the island logo needs to be updated to include the new biomes 11:05 DI3HARD139 I wonder if anyone streams MT on twitch 11:05 rubenwardy jordanibenza doess 11:05 tenplus1 would be nice to have little floating island logo's representing each biome... 11:06 rubenwardy at least modding 11:06 CWz Hmm 11:06 CWz Would love a minetest stream 11:07 tenplus1 video stream ? 11:07 CWz I just hope as minetest get's popular it doesn't have the same issues minecraft has with reskin youtubers 11:08 DI3HARD139 I sure hope it doesn't. They get annoying after awhile 11:09 tenplus1 hi Dargod 11:09 CWz literally almost every mc youtuber does the same type of videos. 11:09 DI3HARD139 hello dargod 11:09 CWz tf2 has the same problem as well 11:09 paramat hehe won't be cute with 12 biomes 11:09 Dargod Hi all 11:10 tenplus1 the current logo could join onto desert biome at back, which in turn could join into savanna and ice/snow then back to original 11:11 tenplus1 4x floating islands linked to one another through one side :D 11:13 CWz also that cave could use tweaking, like adding an ore otherwise one could interpreter the logo as the game only having surface value 11:13 CWz with no substance 11:21 shivajiva Hi Dargod o/ 11:23 shivajiva CWz: +1 11:39 tenplus1 wb Jordach 11:42 tenplus1 hi raven 11:43 Raven262 Hello tenplus1 11:44 * CWz votes for some from of area protection added in minetest_game 11:45 CWz *form 11:45 tenplus1 leave that to mods 11:45 Raven262 It is not really required in default. 11:46 tenplus1 default has checks for protection so that when you DO use a mod it works 11:46 tenplus1 that's all we need for now :D 11:46 Raven262 And, if it were to be added, there would be a fight about shall it be "protection blocks" or area protect. 11:47 tenplus1 exactly... we already have blocks, areas and map blocks 11:47 Raven262 And what is the purpose of protection anyway? To protect from griefers. We didn't include them in the default :P 11:49 tenplus1 could always add a custom block to default that only the owner can punch to pickup 11:49 tenplus1 then you could use it with locked doors 12:00 Raven262 There is one graphical feature that would improve minetest a great deal. 12:00 Raven262 Transparency. 12:00 Raven262 Cause only then we could make glass tools. 12:07 Calinou hi 12:08 tenplus1 wb cal 12:08 Calinou Raven262: transparency is not as trivial to render as you think 12:08 Calinou order-independent transparency is a thing, but it's expensive to render 12:08 Raven262 Hello Calinou 12:08 Raven262 Ah. 12:08 Calinou so for now we're stuck with old-school transparency, which glitches out if you look at a transparent surface through another transparent surface 12:09 Calinou (this is not a problem with 1-bit transparency, also called "discard transparency") 12:09 tenplus1 lol 12:10 paramat https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/95 5 year old issue 12:10 Raven262 Yeah, i can hide an allfaces transparent node behind another one, first one will not be rendered lol 12:10 CWz is it more expesive then coloured lighting 12:10 Raven262 *second one 12:10 Raven262 Really? 12:10 Calinou colored lighting would not be extremely expensive, I guess 12:10 Calinou you'd have 4 light channels (16 bits to store) instead of 2 (8 bits to store) 12:10 Calinou we have block light and sky light right now 12:11 Calinou I guess colored lighting would be red/green/blue/sky light 12:11 Calinou each component has 16 levels, so 4 bits 12:11 Raven262 But it would make map much bigger. 12:11 Calinou https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/95#issuecomment-27149867 12:11 Calinou methinks this should be fixed if you enable shaders 12:11 Calinou Raven262: not by much… in fact, I'm not even sure if light information is saved to the database 12:12 Calinou this is not the largest of our concerns with regards to colored light 12:12 Raven262 What is then? 12:13 Calinou probably the runtime computations and compatibility with existing worlds 12:13 paramat ? light level is param1 12:13 tenplus1 hi lumidify 12:13 Raven262 Hello lumidify 12:13 Calinou anyway, colored light surely won't happen 12:13 CWz one this is certain after coloured lighting get added someone would ask for Volumetric lighting 12:13 lumidify Hi tenplus1, Raven262 12:14 Raven262 xD 12:14 Calinou I believe lighting in Minetest is already volumetric 12:14 Raven262 What is that anyway? 12:14 paramat apparently mapnode would double in size, world files become twice the size 12:14 Raven262 Oo 12:14 Calinou the light level of nodes not exposed to any solid node (ie. air surrounded by air) is already computed 12:14 Calinou paramat: ah 12:14 Raven262 What? 12:14 Calinou that would be bearable for most users, especially if we automatically compress worlds 12:14 Calinou (I think eg. LZ4 compression would be suitable) 12:14 Calinou that's very fasst 12:14 Calinou fast* 12:14 paramat (as far as i remember from discussions) 12:15 Raven262 Rendering only the visible part of the world would do much. 12:15 CWz Culling? 12:15 Calinou we already have occlusion culling 12:15 Calinou (and view frustrum culling) 12:15 Calinou since like, 0.3.0 12:15 Calinou occlusion culling is never 100% efficient thoughb 12:15 Raven262 But minetest still calculates light level of air? xD 12:16 Calinou either you make it too conservative and it won't give you much performance improvements (if not worsening performance!), either you make it too agressive and artifacts happen 12:16 Calinou I think Minecraft had occlusion culling at a time, known as "Advanced OpenGL" (sic), but they ended up removing it 12:16 Calinou since it did not improve performance for most users 12:16 Calinou yes, it does 12:16 Calinou else, if you jump/fly into air, your wielditem and player model would turn all black 12:16 tenplus1 what do they use now ? 12:16 Calinou nothing? just view frustrum culling, I guess 12:16 Calinou like before Beta 1.5 12:17 Calinou it was off by default anyway, I think 12:17 Raven262 I still don't get it why minecraft seems to have much better graphics than minetest, even if one would use minecraft's textures in minetest they would still look different. 12:17 tenplus1 so turning off occlusion culling for some ppl would be an improvement ? 12:21 lisac thanks VanessaE 12:22 VanessaE you're welcome. 12:22 Raven262 lisac got the voice! :D 12:22 Raven262 Hello lisac.ž 12:22 Raven262 *lisac. 12:23 * rubenwardy purr 12:24 * CWz hi 12:24 CWz odd 12:24 * lisac > Opeth - Harvest.mp3 - [ Blackwater Park #3 ] - [ 02:43 / 06:01 ] 12:24 CWz why is action and /me the same thing 12:25 lisac no idea. I'll still use /me 12:25 lisac it's shorter 12:26 nore CWz: I think /me looks more "grammatically correct" and is more like what you see, but the internal thing is CTCP ACTION or so 12:30 VanessaE oh that reminds me... 12:30 Calinou Minecraft has better art quality 12:31 Calinou same resolution, but Minecraft's pixel artists are just geniuses 12:31 Calinou Minetest went through a lot of effort in 4 years but we still need to improve 12:32 tenplus1 http://oi62.tinypic.com/j9qcg6.jpg 12:32 tenplus1 http://s23.postimg.org/ktg0dyxob/screenshot_4098097577.jpg 12:32 tenplus1 both mt screenshots 12:32 Calinou tenplus1: yeah, occlusion culling ruined performance for some players back then 12:32 Raven262 Nice, i love the one in the flying island :D 12:33 tenplus1 Calinou: is it any better now ? or would disabling it for some ppl make the game run smoother ? 12:33 Calinou I think they removed it entirely? 12:33 Calinou anyway performance is good in Minecraft for me 12:33 Calinou (now) 12:33 Calinou even without OptiFine 12:34 paramat Opeth, nice 12:34 lisac paramat, lol, foot_on_teh_hill recommended it to me 12:38 VanessaE fek 12:48 tenplus1 o.O 12:59 tenplus1 hi RobbieF 13:00 RobbieF hi tenplus1! How was your weekend? 13:00 tenplus1 slow... removed player knockback from xanadu, few issues 13:00 tenplus1 you ? 13:00 RobbieF really? Player knockback is amazing. But that reminds me - I want your help with something LOL 13:01 RobbieF we were just stuck at home; got the new van but stupid insurance company didn't come through with the papers yet, so can't drive it. 13:01 tenplus1 the attacked knockback is ok with 0,0,0 slide in glitch... the new one for servers (moveto) has issues 13:02 RobbieF Player knockback: https://github.com/Cat5TV/tps_items/blob/master/init.lua#L95 13:02 RobbieF Could you kindly have a quick look at that and either PR or tell me: how can I disable player knockback if the user is wearing the badge? It can be annoying if trying to help someone and a mob is attacking. 13:04 nerzhul RobbieF, we have a real knockback effect in progress on a PR, better than crappy lua modding :) 13:04 tenplus1 lol, thanks nrz :P 13:04 RobbieF Yeah don't pick a fight with tenplus1 here nerzhul! :D 13:04 RobbieF TBH I'm nervous to update minetest-dev at this point... 13:05 nerzhul sorry i think modding is a nice thing, but complex physics should have really high level API in core 13:05 tenplus1 you could add a check in knockback itself and have it look for admin_badge in invntory 13:05 RobbieF Too much drama and bickering 13:05 tenplus1 RobbieF: I'd wait until the chest issue is fixed 13:05 tenplus1 for now those are broken 13:05 RobbieF tenplus1 is that something you'd be willing to add? I know it's pretty specific to us, but we're awesome... so... 13:05 RobbieF :D 13:06 RobbieF agreed tenplus1 13:06 tenplus1 it's too specific to add to playerplus, but I can tell you what to add :P 13:07 RobbieF tenplus1 I don't like to have to fork a whole mod just for a tiny revision, and then our mod ends up falling behind the main branch. 13:08 tenplus1 will see if there's an easy way to detect admin armor inside playerplus and disable kb 13:08 RobbieF tenplus1 what if you add a priv for no_knockback? 13:08 RobbieF Then, I can just add that priv to this badge 13:08 RobbieF and it's not specific to us 13:08 RobbieF other servers can use no_knockback priv for their admins, etc. 13:08 tenplus1 good point 13:09 Jordach i'm just sitting here playing hearthstone 13:09 Calinou i'm just sitting here playing systemd 13:10 Calinou according to Discord 13:10 Jordach my experience playing magic and other tcgs is paying off, hugely 13:10 lumidify I'm just sitting here hating systemd 13:11 Jordach if you want to trigger s o f a r 13:11 Jordach say systemd sucks 13:11 lumidify systemd sucks 13:11 lumidify BSD ftw 13:12 * lumidify will shut up now and maybe not start a flame war 13:12 Jordach >opponent left 13:12 Jordach gg ez 13:12 nerzhul lumidify, sorry i'm a great BSD fan on servers, but as a Linux systems engineer at work i really like systemd capabilities and multi instance model 13:13 lumidify I just hate bloated software 13:13 nerzhul java is bloated software 13:13 lumidify Which is why I don't use it :) 13:14 nerzhul systemd has an interesting point: it unified some components which doesn't works well together before (hello udev) 13:14 celeron55 C++ is bloated software 13:14 lumidify Well, all software is bloated, some is just less bloated 13:14 nerzhul i don't mean systemd-resolved is good (beurk) 13:14 lumidify C is still my favorite language 13:14 nerzhul C++03 is bloated software, long live C++17 :D 13:14 nerzhul too long to write C, C++ powa :D 13:14 lumidify One of my favorite sites: http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/ :P 13:15 nerzhul lol Go in less harmful, and 9p as a stockage protocol what is that shit 13:16 nerzhul this list is just ridiculous 13:16 tenplus1 RobbieF: it's added, git updated 13:16 Calinou harmful is a satire site 13:16 Calinou don't take it seriously 13:17 Calinou even the authors don't believe themselves, I think 13:17 Calinou software tea parties deserve no recognition anyway :) 13:18 lumidify Calinou: who doesn't like tea parties? 13:19 lumidify *fine*, /me will shut up now... 13:20 * Jordach had a giggle at that 13:20 Jordach lmao 13:21 tenplus1 RobbieF: added 'no_knockback' priv to make things simple :P github.com/tenplus1/playerplus 13:28 VanessaE bbl 13:28 * benrob0329 pops in 13:47 tenplus1 hi octacian 13:47 octacian hey tenplus1 13:48 * tenplus1 is watching Every Amiga game in one video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ro9S27OJVgo 13:49 RobbieF thanks tenplus1! That'll do nicely. 13:49 tenplus1 :P 13:50 RobbieF How do you make an item add a priv when you wear the item? 13:50 RobbieF (3d_armor) 13:50 tenplus1 that only work on the new 3d_armor mod which is still being developed... not even upgraded to that one yet :P 13:52 RobbieF Yeah I'm on the "new" 3d_armor 13:52 RobbieF well, the branch I'm on is the multiskin branch 13:52 tenplus1 I gotta look into that one and see what's new :) 13:52 RobbieF pretty sure that's what you mean? 13:53 tenplus1 yeah... xanadu is still using old stable version... 13:53 tenplus1 would be great to update to 1.8 skins soon 13:54 tenplus1 hi NathanS21 13:54 tenplus1 for now anyone with an admin badge, you can grant that priv 13:54 NathanS21 hi tenplus1 13:56 RobbieF tenplus1 yes I suppose. It'd be nice to have that priv work ONLY when the badge is worn though 13:58 tenplus1 will look into the new 3d_armor and see if it's easily done... am sure you can attach a function or priv to the badge when its in use 14:05 benrob0329 Ohhh, I have an idea!! 14:05 tenplus1 ? 14:05 benrob0329 Add a trampoline to MTG as a sneak ladder alternative 14:06 benrob0329 Place at the bottom of your mineshaft, and hold space to build up hight 14:06 Jordach >EEVblog mailbag 14:06 Jordach PogChamp 14:06 benrob0329 After a bit you'll fly back up to the surface 14:07 tenplus1 lol, that's a bit cheaty... we have slimeblocks added to xanadu to bounce on but it reduces your height with each bounce and no fall damage 14:07 benrob0329 that's how current trampolines work 14:08 benrob0329 Tbh its more fun a sneak ladder :P 14:08 benrob0329 *than a 14:08 tenplus1 I liked the old sneak method... parkour using it was so much fun 14:08 benrob0329 Sneak yes 14:09 benrob0329 2 node jump yes 14:09 benrob0329 Sneak ladder...meh 14:09 benrob0329 I didn't really use it, too much work 14:10 benrob0329 Ik people did, and id still like to find better ways for people to make elevators 14:10 Jordach *autistic screeching* 14:10 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/0siSURL.png 14:10 tenplus1 lol 14:11 benrob0329 >windows 10 14:11 benrob0329 TRIGGERED 14:11 Jordach >already completed security patches nightly 14:11 Jordach >updated when i wasn't busy 14:11 Jordach >no issues with wannacry 14:11 benrob0329 >is always busy 14:12 Jordach aYY LMAO 14:12 benrob0329 I'm often up for more than 12 hours 14:12 benrob0329 A lot more 14:12 tenplus1 wb DS-minetest 14:12 DS-minetest thanks tenplus1 :) 14:12 DS-minetest hi all 14:13 benrob0329 Id much rather update overnight, aka around 2 am 14:13 Jordach benrob0329, i do mine on shut down / restart 14:13 Jordach (the classical way, but more effective) 14:13 * tenplus1 updates lubuntu every morning when I turn it on... only takes 2 mins 14:13 benrob0329 true 14:13 Jordach i don't have issues with windows 10 as a RFTM 14:13 Jordach RTFM 14:14 benrob0329 Ill probably update gentoo once a week er somethin 14:14 benrob0329 Takes a while to do so as everything is source built 14:14 tenplus1 I could leave it to weekly, but am too damn curious to see what's new :DDD 14:15 benrob0329 But Ubuntu is stable/crusty 14:15 benrob0329 Stable/crusty/rusty 14:15 tenplus1 I have backports enabled for latest stuff 14:16 benrob0329 And now its unstable/rusty 14:16 benrob0329 Its an unholy mixture 14:16 tenplus1 lolol 14:16 benrob0329 Kill it with fire!! 14:17 tenplus1 am happy, it's very stable :D 14:17 benrob0329 Funnily enough gentoo defaults to stable 14:18 benrob0329 But not debian style stable 14:18 tenplus1 that's a good thing... get it working and then enable unstable if you feel courage :D 14:18 benrob0329 yeah, I unmask some packages to install latest version 14:19 benrob0329 Like ill probably unmask firefox so I can get 53 14:19 tenplus1 they should always have latest ff in stable 14:19 benrob0329 Unfortunately minetest has no maintainer :-( 14:20 tenplus1 I tend to install that from launchpad 14:20 benrob0329 They should, but there have been some building issues with it 14:20 benrob0329 stable has the extended support release afaik 14:27 Calinou Windows 10 allows 18 hours of Activity Hours since the Creators Update, instead of 12 14:27 Calinou so you can make it reboot (when not using) only between 0:00 and 8:00 for example 14:27 tenplus1 18 activity hours ??? 14:27 Calinou 2:00 and 8:00 even 14:27 Calinou yeah 14:28 Calinou outside of the activity hours, your PC may reboot to apply updates when unused 14:28 tenplus1 shouldnt it be up to user when they wanna reboot and not the system 14:28 Calinou "unused" is very broad though 14:28 Calinou a Steam download or a FileZilla upload will not be seen as activity, your PC will reboot anyway and cancel the download/upload 14:28 Calinou :D 14:28 Calinou yeah but this is Windows 10 14:28 benrob0329 like, it shouldn't reboot if I leave it to upload a YT video 14:29 benrob0329 nor should I even need to worry about thay 14:30 tenplus1 I remember some guy rendering a movie and it had a reboot countdown in 11 minutes... he was seriously pissed 14:31 Raven262 I was playing a game on win10, and it shut down without warning, to update. 14:31 Raven262 That was the last time i used win10 14:31 tenplus1 win10 update is seriously flawed... 14:31 NathanS21 wasn't there some guy doing a live stream of some game, when his system shutdown to do a upgrade. 14:31 Raven262 I have win7 now, and this linux mint that i use most of the time. 14:32 NathanS21 I remember that being a huge deal, I forget if he was trying to break a record for the longest stream or something. 14:50 * Jordach should probably finish that main menu prototype 14:52 * Jordach puts on some Joe Satriani 14:52 tenplus1 nice 14:52 Jordach ...on cassette 14:52 tenplus1 RobbieF: https://github.com/Cat5TV/tps_items/pull/1 14:53 RobbieF woh, I didn't know you were working on it! THANKS! 14:53 tenplus1 it SHOULD work... not tested :P 14:53 tenplus1 all it does is grant and revoke the 'no_knockback' priv when you put on and take off badge 14:54 RobbieF wonderful! thanks! 14:54 tenplus1 :P 14:56 tenplus1 wb paramat 14:56 Jordach tenplus1, got any modpacks for /mods/ 14:56 * Jordach needs to test hard 14:56 tenplus1 I dont use modpacks 14:57 Jordach tenplus1, anything with a modpack.txt 14:57 Jordach ah 14:57 Jordach mesecons 14:57 Jordach https://github.com/Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons/blob/master/modpack.txt 14:57 tenplus1 is something broken ? 14:57 Jordach tenplus1, need to check if shit works as expected 14:58 Jordach wat 14:58 Jordach tenplus1, download mesecons 14:58 Jordach as a zipball pleaes 14:59 Jordach don't install it 14:59 tenplus1 hold on 14:59 Jordach drop into /mods/ 14:59 Jordach because renaming makes a new folder entirely 14:59 Jordach with duplicate contents 14:59 Jordach if that's the case with the non menu variant 15:00 Jordach then that's a bug i can squash at the same time 15:00 benrob0329 Jordach: that's probably just the way you extracted it 15:00 Jordach benrob0329, no 15:00 benrob0329 I often find that something has extracted into double folders 15:01 tenplus1 k, dropped into mods, what next 15:01 benrob0329 Well, not often 15:01 tenplus1 hi WhoAreYou 15:01 DI3HARD139 Hello WhoAreYou 15:01 benrob0329 ho WhoAreYou 15:01 paramat heh 15:01 Jordach tenplus1, go to the mods tab, highlight mesecons-master and then rename it 15:01 WhoAreYou Hello 10+1, DI3 and benrob. :) 15:01 benrob0329 I was just about to ask that you be voiced :-) 15:02 tenplus1 worked 15:02 benrob0329 Jordach: ohhh, now I see 15:02 Jordach benrob0329, http://i.imgur.com/l8tnGUR.png 15:02 benrob0329 I thought you mean mesecons/jeija-minetest-mesecons thing 15:03 benrob0329 Where the archibe gets extracted to anothet sub folder 15:04 DS-minetest oh god, the setting messages are soo flooding 15:04 Jordach tenplus1, if your result matches that image, then that's a bug i should be able to fix 15:04 tenplus1 yup, same contents 15:05 Jordach made sure it wasn't my code introducing a bug 15:05 paramat sneakers, in old code you could avoid damage when falling a long way on a sneak ladder and stopping using the 'sneak' key, do you want this lack of damage preserved in new sneak ladder code? 15:06 Raven262 I think that should be preserved. 15:06 tenplus1 the lack of damage when falling using old sneak method was an obvious bug... this shoudl be fixed 15:06 paramat because i've noticed descending a sneak ladder is not much fun if you have to catch your fall every 4 nodes 15:06 tenplus1 but the ability to climb along ledges and jump using sneak was important 15:07 Raven262 But one could possibly get his hands on the ladder while falling. 15:07 paramat but sneak ladder was an obvious bug too 15:07 paramat that's no argument 15:07 tenplus1 was a fun glitch, as if playes were using hands to pull themselves up a block :) handy 15:09 paramat descending a sneak ladder with damage is fairly slow and irritating, players probably want the old behaviour. remember this is the new sneak code option enabled with 'sneak glitch' (default off) 15:10 tenplus1 nope, the falling with no damage is bad... we NEED damage... it forces players to ethier descend safely or drop onto trampoline, mushroom pore, slimeblock or water 15:10 paramat the idea of this option is to replicate as closely as possible the old sneak side-effects 15:10 tenplus1 add the damage dude, it's important... sneaking has to come at a cost... falling from a cliff and saving yourself last minute with sneak messes up game 15:11 paramat still no argument, players may want what they were used to, nevermind how it should be 15:11 paramat but ok that's one opinion, thanks 15:12 behalebabo sneak is used by most of the players on my server as a way to navigate builds and mines, not for damage avoidance; using it that way is a very clear exploit whereas the ladder itself is somewhat limited and does not bypass usual game mechanics. 15:13 tenplus1 was going to add gloves to 3d_armor so that the sneak bug could be used properly and disabled when nto wearing them... 15:13 Raven262 make player 1/2 high when he sneaks, so he can go trough 1x1 hole. 15:13 Raven262 We need that. 15:14 Calinou that'd be too intense 15:14 Raven262 Would make stuff fun 15:14 Calinou the player does not "sneak" from a third person perspective, too 15:14 Calinou so this is why we don't lower eye height unlike in Minecraft 15:14 Raven262 That should be done too 15:14 Calinou I don't think so 15:14 Raven262 No? 15:15 Calinou I believe we should take good ideas from any place, but we don't have to copy every game design aspect of Minecraft 15:15 Calinou think of our sneak as a "walk" rather than a "crouch" 15:15 Calinou (we could have both, though, like in eg. many modern FPSes) 15:15 Raven262 I didn't know minecraft has that. 15:15 Calinou (inb4 someone suggests proning) 15:15 * Raven262 never really played MC. 15:15 Calinou heh 15:16 Calinou you're suggesting Minecraft features but you never played the game :P 15:16 Calinou I spent over 1,500 hours on the game 15:16 Raven262 I didn't have minecraft in mind xD 15:16 tenplus1 it just seems natural to lower eye level when sneaking/crouching 15:16 Calinou yes, but then we need a real sneaking animation for 3rd person 15:16 Calinou right now, we just have a slowed down walk animation 15:18 paramat it's called 'sneak' but really it's just a careful wallk 15:18 tenplus1 lolol 15:18 paramat *walk 15:18 Jordach ah shit 15:18 Jordach i need a build with cURL 15:18 Jordach sfan5, need a cURL build with commit ID c6e96c6 15:18 sfan5 all mah builds have curl 15:18 Jordach modstore is missing 15:19 sfan5 can i just make a new one of master? 15:19 Jordach wat 15:19 Calinou all your curl are belong to us 15:19 * Jordach has a missing modstore 15:20 red-005 this channel is getting too active for my bnc 15:20 Jordach r e k t 15:20 Calinou tesserekt! 15:20 paramat hmm ok damage happens on sneak ladder in master too, i thought it was avoided, so it was intentional 15:20 Jordach m-m-m-mega rekt 15:21 benrob0329 paramat: there should always be fall damage unless its a soft node/liquid 15:21 * Jordach modified the mobos standard headphone output to RCA/Phono line level 15:21 tenplus1 +100 benrob 15:21 benrob0329 As in, yes there should be sneak ladder damage 15:22 tenplus1 thats the whole reason I added mushroom pore and slimeblocks 15:22 Jordach tenplus1, lmao http://i.imgur.com/5s3hjcx.png 15:22 tenplus1 one to cut all fall damage and stop player jumping, and the other to allow bouncing 15:22 paramat interesting, i thought players would want the old avoidance 15:22 Jordach old movement type 15:22 Jordach damage when falling 15:22 benrob0329 and trampolines, which could also be an alternative to sneak ladders 15:22 tenplus1 lol Jordach 15:23 benrob0329 A more exciting alternative at that :P 15:23 Jordach reminds me 15:23 red-005 oh my bnc doesn't correctly log /msg's 15:23 Jordach F 15:24 benrob0329 Imo if people need to exploit bugs to make the game fun, your missing something 15:24 Jordach it's a feature 15:24 Jordach *rollsafe meme* 15:24 benrob0329 Features are documented bugs 15:24 Jordach topkek 15:24 Jordach benrob0329, http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/018/784/topkek.png 15:25 tenplus1 sneak bug is definitely a feature, it provides too many handy things t the game when enabled :))) 15:25 benrob0329 tenplus1: currently, yes 15:25 tenplus1 which is why I was talking about 3d_armor gloves to enable it 15:25 Jordach tenplus1, isn't that part of player physics? 15:25 benrob0329 But such movement should be done properly imo 15:25 benrob0329 Not as a sneal bug 15:25 benrob0329 *k 15:25 tenplus1 yes, but can be disabled and only enabled when wearing a certain armor piece 15:25 tenplus1 ultimate topkek: http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/617/381/26b 15:26 benrob0329 But I don't need gloves to grab a hold of somethinh 15:26 benrob0329 It just helps me to not damage my hands (hint hint) 15:26 tenplus1 lol 15:27 benrob0329 But there are a lot of things id change if I were to wrote the player mechanics 15:27 paramat sneak ladder / sneak jump are features now 15:28 benrob0329 *write 15:28 paramat ok, i forgot the amount of effort put into avoiding damage on sneak ladders, so yeah damage is fine 15:28 tenplus1 will this and new disable fire on servers be added to next build ? also maybe vanessae's chest improvements 15:29 paramat see thread 1693, i've asked mtg devs for their opinions, just needs another +1 15:30 tenplus1 hi DI3HARD139 15:30 DI3HARD139 hello 15:30 tenplus1 wait a sec, you removed your own approval ? 15:31 paramat on 1693? no 15:31 tenplus1 paramat added >= Two approvals One approval and removed One approval >= Two approvals labels 5 hours ago 15:32 paramat i misunderstood rubenwardy's 'go ahead' as a +1, he clarified it was a 'neutral' soon after 15:32 tenplus1 damn 15:33 paramat 'go ahead' sounded like a +1, luckily i was cautious 15:35 * benrob0329 has all his stuff back on his computer :D 15:36 benrob0329 Still gotta finish "ricing" i3, but its better than it was 15:37 benrob0329 I'll take a scteenshot when I get it finished :P 15:37 benrob0329 I wanna have those semi-transparent terminals I always see :PP 15:38 tenplus1 lol 15:39 benrob0329 I can see it as a song now 15:39 benrob0329 "I want some semi-trans-parent term-in-als" 15:40 Calinou heh, I was an user of transparent terminals for a while 15:40 Calinou I remember the drama about GNOME 3 removing that feature 15:40 Calinou (back in 2013/2014) 15:41 benrob0329 Lol 15:41 Calinou I stopped using them though 15:41 Calinou even my Yakuake is opaque 15:41 Calinou it's more readable this way 15:41 benrob0329 Eh, depends 15:41 benrob0329 On how your background is, as well as how transparent the terminal background is 15:42 tenplus1 only transparent thing on my desky is the taskbar ;) 15:43 benrob0329 No window borders + bit of a gap around windows = beautiful 15:43 tenplus1 nice... sounds speedy to updat 15:43 Calinou the task bar here on KDE is translucent too 15:44 Calinou only slightly 15:44 benrob0329 Ill probably need to swap out vanilla i3 for i3-gaps though 15:44 benrob0329 Add some functionality in that department 15:47 benrob0329 Funny thing about terminal apps 15:47 benrob0329 Theu have the ultimate flat theme 15:48 tenplus1 I do like flat themes, they redraw a lot quicker 15:49 benrob0329 http://ranger.nongnu.org/ 15:52 Calinou https://github.com/sorin-ionescu/prezto - https://the.exa.website/ - http://jonas.nitro.dk/tig/ - https://micro-editor.github.io/ - http://vim.spf13.com/ - http://tldr-pages.github.io/ 15:52 Calinou ultimate command line starter pack ^ 15:52 benrob0329 ranger + themed urxvt + image/video preview enabled = nice 15:53 Jordach Calinou, thats a good example of https://thebestmotherfucking.website/ 15:53 benrob0329 Kek 15:53 Calinou I use all of these, makes CLI much better 15:53 Jordach Calinou, this one specifically https://the.exa.website/ 15:53 Calinou yeah, domain is nice 15:53 benrob0329 Jordach: you were too slow, I posted that a couple weeks ago 15:54 Jordach http://jonas.nitro.dk/tig/ is a http://motherfuckingwebsite.com/ 15:54 nerzhul Calinou, it's not in 2013/2014 but in 2016 15:55 nerzhul since these day i switched to terminology :D 15:55 Jordach >TODO Disabled due to service being offline, and not likely to come online again, in this form 15:55 Jordach ahhhh 15:55 Jordach i seeeee 15:57 Jordach at least i've got innovation down to a T in MT 15:58 benrob0329 Great, now make it run gud 15:58 Jordach already does that 15:59 benrob0329 Meh, not really 15:59 benrob0329 MT doesn't scale with the hardware well 15:59 Jordach benrob0329, it's based on tabs, but makes it better overall 16:00 benrob0329 I don't think you understood my statement 16:00 benrob0329 I'm talking performance 16:02 rubenwardy !g terminology 16:02 ShadowBot rubenwardy: Terminology - Wikipedia - Terminology is the study of terms and their use. 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(6 more messages) 16:12 tenplus1 gotta admit, E17/bodhi linux is pretty amazing... fast as hell in 2d/3d for such low specs 16:12 benrob0329 But enlightenment is...interesting 16:12 benrob0329 Yes its fast, but everything feels almost-polished but not-quite-polished 16:13 Wayward_One hi all :) 16:13 tenplus1 I used it on desky for some time and it was a pleasure to use :) 16:13 tenplus1 wb wayward 16:13 benrob0329 Hi Wayward_One 16:13 benrob0329 tenplus1: then why'd you stop? :-) 16:14 tenplus1 I prefer no frills Lubuntu :)) it works well and low memory 16:14 benrob0329 i3 ftw 16:14 benrob0329 Simple as hell to configure, can swap the different parts of it too 16:14 benrob0329 Wjat few there are anyways 16:15 tenplus1 heh :P 16:17 benrob0329 you've got i3, i3-status (the command that shows date etc on the task bar) and dmenu 16:17 benrob0329 Oh, and i3bar, for the actual bar 16:18 tenplus1 how much memory you using sittingon a normal desktop with nothing running but i3 ? 16:18 benrob0329 dunno, I haven't checked 16:18 benrob0329 Ill check in a few 16:18 benrob0329 Got some stuff to do before I sit back down 16:18 tenplus1 no probs :P 16:19 tenplus1 my lxde desky uses 120mb memory on boot 16:25 benrob0329 tenplus1: 167 mib, with Xorg being the most intensive thing running 16:25 tenplus1 sounds about right :) what services u got running ? 16:26 tenplus1 network manager, power manager, screensaver ? etc 16:27 benrob0329 Network is just dhcpd, power manager is just normal acpi, etc 16:28 benrob0329 I haven't really needed anything more complex 16:28 tenplus1 not bad... I use xfce_power cause of my ups 16:28 Sokomine what's the status regarding pathfinding of mobs - if there are doors and other door-like items (probably even ladders) as part of the path? 16:29 benrob0329 Ill probably install xsreensaver at some point, and figure out how to disable the default screen turn off 16:29 benrob0329 Oh, I do have udevil + devmon running 16:30 tenplus1 Sokomine: mobs api pathfinding is still quite simple.. 2 levels, level1 = find a way to get to player (works through water,plants), level2= build up, break walls (level1 only) 16:32 tenplus1 oops,w ater+_plants not yet cause pull is still in progress... ehehe... 16:37 tenplus1 line_of_sight and pathfinding both need a way to work it's way through "airlike" and "buildable_to" nodes 16:38 tenplus1 prolly "floodable" as well 16:49 Sokomine tenplus1: hmm. build up, break walls...that's certainly not desired. and it's not a player i'm after 16:50 tenplus1 Sokomine: pathfinding for each mob can be set to off, level1 or level2 :) it's not always active 16:50 Sokomine hmm. guess ladders will then pose a significant problem. same as doorlike nodes? 16:50 tenplus1 there's a mod called aliveai that can handle doors and ladders for npcs 16:51 Sokomine players are only of some intrest to the mobs :-) guess mostley they'll want to meet each other 16:51 Sokomine ah :-) havn't tested it with doors and ladders yet. but the mod as such was very intresting and nice 16:54 tenplus1 burli's new pathfinding routine looks promising tho, will look into that soon 16:54 Sokomine maybe i ought to pre-calculate paths inside the houses. after all those are pretty fixed 16:55 Sokomine trouble is that my half doors may not be recognizable to a mob as a door. and at least one house has the beds (=targets of the mobs at night) upstairs, reachable only through a ladder. maybe i ought to change that 16:55 Sokomine still, stairs...not sure if they can use those? 16:56 tenplus1 pathfinding can use stairs, it registers the air nodes above them as a path 16:56 Sokomine ah. i had moved the beds downstairs in that one house. still, the miners need to know how to climb 16:56 Sokomine ah. that's good! 16:57 Sokomine player-made pathfinding or something out of core? 16:57 tenplus1 burli has player made pathfinding which works a lot better than core... 17:05 Sokomine sounds promising. there are so many nice mob mods out there 17:05 tenplus1 indeed, many folk working on api's now :) it's great 17:08 garywhite hi guys 17:10 Sokomine hi 17:10 tenplus1 hi gary 17:12 benrob0329 Hi garywhite 17:15 lisac hey MT devs, would it be possible to have some sort of movement prediction? So that carts move normally? 17:15 lisac ex. They currently slide out of tracks on corners 17:16 lisac and go forwards-backwards 17:16 Sokomine that's been wished for for a long time. maybe with client side modding it'll eventually work 17:18 lisac :( It took 2 years to build railway on Craig's server lol 17:18 lisac and it's mostly unused due to movement bugs. 17:18 lisac can server mods send data to the client mods? 17:18 tenplus1 I thought new carts setup did just that, predict the rail ahead ? 17:30 Shara Hello all 17:31 tenplus1 hi shara :D 17:31 VanessaE hi 17:32 Shara Every day this channel seems busier! 17:32 tenplus1 hopefully that's a good thing ;D 17:33 VanessaE a very good thing :) 17:35 Calinou hi 17:35 Calinou https://lut.im/rrW1vBoEyx/BRjpZtNvG7drHM6G.png 17:35 Calinou :D 17:35 Calinou (https://deployer.org/) 17:35 rubenwardy you know what feature Minetest is missing the most? 17:35 rubenwardy https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=17576 17:35 rubenwardy /s 17:36 tenplus1 gender ?? nooooooo keep that outta the forum AND especially game 17:38 Calinou male/female/cyborg 17:38 Calinou like Quake 2 :D 17:38 Calinou the cyborg is always taken by noobs though 17:38 Calinou and all pros use female model, because its sounds are quieter and the shape thinner 17:40 Calinou also, the last replies of that thread are gold, rubenwardy 17:40 Calinou they just scream "lava is hot" to me :P 17:40 tenplus1 lolol 17:41 rubenwardy Offtopic is leaking in to other sections 17:41 VanessaE nuke "offtopic" from orbit./ 17:42 Calinou heh, there is a spambot on the forums, it set an… ICQ address 17:42 Calinou and a Jabber 17:42 Calinou anyway, dealt with it 17:43 rubenwardy setting a Jabber address should result in an immediate ban from the forums 17:43 rubenwardy like, ip ban 17:43 tenplus1 ? 17:44 Calinou phpBB has fields (by default) for ICQ/Jabber 17:44 Calinou and personal website too 17:44 Calinou very few legitimate people fill the ICQ and Jabber ones 17:44 tenplus1 could never remember my ancient icq and jabber account :P 17:45 Calinou I never used these really 17:46 tenplus1 sweeeet, today's dev build works well... chests back to 'main' and shara's no highlight pull works well :)) am using it as def. 17:49 Shara :D 17:49 tenplus1 looks a lot cleaner now, no more hovering halo or boxes over everything I look at :) 17:49 Calinou HAHAHA 17:50 Calinou I tried… http://wiki.minetest.net/index.php?title=Minetest.conf%2Ffr&diff=15420&oldid=11930 17:50 Calinou had to do another edit to fix it, http://wiki.minetest.net/index.php?title=Minetest.conf%2Ffr&diff=15421&oldid=15420 17:50 benrob0329 heh, xscreensaver's pong can act as a clock 17:52 tenplus1 lol 17:54 tenplus1 https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/1732 has 1.5 approval... it's a-going in :PPP 17:55 Calinou benrob0329: try Xonotic 0.8.2 17:55 Calinou it has built-in multiplayer minigames (sometimes up to 4 players) 17:55 Calinou pong, connect four, and more 17:55 tenplus1 lolol 17:56 VanessaE tenplus1: I don't think half an approval is enough to push it over the top 17:56 VanessaE I need more :+1:'s 17:56 tenplus1 lol... 1.5 isnt half bad :PP ahah 17:56 tenplus1 hi cx384 17:56 cx384 hi tenplus1 17:57 cx384 and hi all others 17:57 Calinou https://lut.im/ezqhNXpQiv/EgfEiZBzjhxPAyml.jpg 17:58 Calinou you can play against a bot in Tic-Tac-Toe and pong 17:58 Calinou pong can be played with 2/3/4 players 17:58 Calinou other games are usually 2 players only, and no bots 18:04 tenplus1 wb rubenwardy 18:04 rubenwardy yo yo 19:48 tenplus1 933 ads blocked and counting o.O 19:50 tenplus1 wb nrz 20:01 VanessaE tenplus1: there was a bug once on the "occupy democrats" where it would get stuck in a loop, loading more and more and more ads, that ABP and Ublock-origin would catch, eventually over 2k 20:01 VanessaE the .. website* 20:01 VanessaE they eventually fixed it 20:02 tenplus1 so far ublock is reporting 970 blocked ads for this one single video as I watch it it goes up 20:02 benrob0329 Heh 20:02 tenplus1 also, was the AsyncErr cleared for mesecond with the https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/1732 in place ? 20:02 benrob0329 *turns off ublock* 20:03 benrob0329 *computer explodes* 20:03 tenplus1 noooooo, ublock is saving me 20:03 VanessaE I assume it was simply the website trying to detect that ads aren't loading, and repeating attempts to load them 20:03 tenplus1 youtube has some major memory issues on browsers tho 20:04 Shara It's blocking into the hundreds for me right now as well 20:05 tenplus1 wb rubenwardy 20:05 benrob0329 The problem is that I want to support creators 20:05 rubenwardy yo 20:05 Shara H rubenwardy 20:05 Shara Hi* 20:05 benrob0329 'Sup ruben? 20:06 * benrob0329 says that with a new york gangsta' voice 20:06 tenplus1 lol 20:07 benrob0329 Actually, idk that I can do a new york impression 20:07 tenplus1 do it in a brummy accent :D 20:17 * Jordach has Worms 2 flashbacks 20:18 tenplus1 great game :D 20:18 Jordach or Armageddon 20:18 tenplus1 surprisingly the video I'm watching is every amiga game released in one video... over 7hrs... been playing in the background most of teh day :P worms is just about coming up 20:18 Jordach LEMMINGS 20:18 tenplus1 lemmings worlds :D 20:19 VanessaE thanks a lot, Jordach 20:19 VanessaE now I have the one of the tunes from the c64 version stuck in my head. 20:19 Jordach VanessaE, you expect me to program lemmings in MT 20:19 VanessaE (I think it's "Can Can") 20:19 Jordach (alright, i'd probably end up doing it 1:1) 20:19 tenplus1 lemmings is possible in mt :D 20:20 Jordach *does it in formspecs* 20:20 tenplus1 hahaha 20:20 tenplus1 for some reason I have "thing on a spring" theme playing in my head now ?!?!?! 20:22 Jordach VanessaE, no flimbos quest, turrican, wing commander? 20:22 VanessaE never played any of those, though I vaguely remember Flimbo's Quest (from the "Back in Time III" album) 20:22 Jordach not forgetting battle squadron 20:22 VanessaE Parallax :) 20:22 Jordach (these may be amiga era) 20:23 tenplus1 amiga was a great gaming machine.... so many memories :P 20:23 * Jordach performs black magic and somehow gets MT server running on a Amiga 20:23 tenplus1 Xenon II ... Speedball II ... Extase ... Psygnosis :P 20:23 VanessaE that shouldn't be hard, Amigas are fairly powerful for the era 20:24 VanessaE (and they're 32 bit, with good graphics for the time) 20:24 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/ZF3EyNM.jpg 20:24 tenplus1 oh yes... has the ability to hit 1280x768 at 4096 colours 20:24 VanessaE good lort 20:24 VanessaE lord* 20:24 tenplus1 lol Jordach 20:25 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/ivoQ6At.mp4 20:32 tenplus1 wb Darcidride 20:34 tenplus1 lol, couldnt help but notice than in the old amiga titles for boxing or soccer managers they have the old-style rotary telephones on the desk :D 20:42 tenplus1 sleepy time... nite all :) 20:42 tenplus1 o/ 20:42 Raven262 o/ 20:50 KaadmY Is there currently a way to set a callback for when the player opens their inventory? 20:56 KaadmY I need it to update the formspec depending on your current inventory 20:56 KaadmY I might be able to just set the player's formspec when the inventory changes, might be too messy though... 20:59 rubenwardy no 21:01 KaadmY :/ 21:03 KaadmY Darn, it's also impossible to have callbacks when the player inventory changes... 23:32 paramat another beautiful spacex launch 23:38 * Jordach thinks about buying paramat elite dangerous 23:44 red-005 so why are they not recovering the first stage? 23:47 paramat big satellite going to a high orbit, not enough spare fuel for a landing 23:48 paramat this satellite was originally going to be launced by falcon heavy 23:48 paramat *launched 23:50 paramat that will have the power to launch to a high orbit and land the 3 boosters 23:53 Jordach i got a bug 23:53 Jordach a big big bug 23:53 Jordach DIR_DELIM in builtin does not work at all on windows 23:54 Jordach Could not open file of texture: C:UsersjordaDesktopminetest-0.4.15texturesbasepackui_button.png 23:55 rubenwardy is this using your modified main menu? 23:55 Jordach rubenwardy, seems to be a windows bug 23:56 paramat i used to play elite on a sinclair ZX spectrum 48K 23:56 Jordach rubenwardy, DIR_DELIM is also in the C/++ codebase 23:56 Jordach it is broken specifically on Win64 23:56 Jordach (and likely Win32) 23:57 Jordach it's not a problem in Lua, since "/" is translated to "\" irregardless of platform 23:57 Jordach when dealing with filepaths 23:57 Jordach (which is what it does to load textures)