| Time |
Nick |
Message |
| 00:01 |
Fixer |
VanessaE: non mesh update lag? |
| 00:02 |
VanessaE |
oh that |
| 00:02 |
VanessaE |
well |
| 00:02 |
* VanessaE |
shrugs |
| 00:02 |
Fixer |
kek |
| 00:02 |
VanessaE |
actually you'll probably see both |
| 00:02 |
Fixer |
shrugging intensifies |
| 00:03 |
Fixer |
VanessaE: that PR that Krock adopted, it may help with this |
| 00:04 |
VanessaE |
link? |
| 00:06 |
Fixer |
VanessaE: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/5268 |
| 00:28 |
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| 00:32 |
benrob0329 |
ssh + tmux = handy headless weechat server |
| 00:36 |
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| 02:19 |
benrob0329 |
Hey, i managed to crash minetest with no mods :P |
| 02:20 |
benrob0329 |
(traveled out too far) |
| 02:43 |
benrob0329 |
sofar: is there a plugin that allows weechat to connect to a relay? |
| 03:22 |
sofar |
znc works with any irc client |
| 03:23 |
sofar |
ssh+tmux is OK, but that means you're always using the same irc program |
| 03:23 |
sofar |
I tend to switch between various clients |
| 03:24 |
sofar |
plus, I hate having to SSH in first |
| 03:24 |
sofar |
so I usually just have hexchat or something else running |
| 03:24 |
benrob0329 |
I'm using ssh currently, anything else is going to be a bit of a pain |
| 03:26 |
sofar |
I also connect to 2 irc networks from work instead of one |
| 03:46 |
nore |
for that I have a script that connects via ssh and resumes the weechat session, resuming automagically if ssh hung :) |
| 05:04 |
octacian |
Night all! |
| 05:04 |
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| 05:35 |
benrob0329 |
I think that when I get back from vacation, I'm going to do a week long challenge of only using the cli interface for my daily tasks |
| 05:55 |
TommyTreasure |
in the past few days, a couple players have complained about lag after using unified_inventory. haven't yet noticed it myself. anyone else? |
| 06:12 |
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| 07:58 |
Calinou |
https://lut.im/LFpI5PsrGf/BfypcPyPHNxH4lHd.png |
| 08:56 |
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| 08:58 |
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| 08:58 |
Krock |
hello hubbers |
| 08:58 |
Megaf |
Morning |
| 08:58 |
Krock |
moin :) |
| 08:59 |
Megaf |
Krock, you don't live near Hamburg do you? |
| 08:59 |
Krock |
Megaf, because Hamburg is in Switzerland /s |
| 08:59 |
Megaf |
Oo |
| 08:59 |
Megaf |
I though you lived in Germany |
| 09:00 |
Krock |
hehe no :3 |
| 09:05 |
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| 09:14 |
CWz |
And today's topic is "Keys under the doormat, and the stupid homeowners who leave them there" |
| 09:15 |
CWz |
Hmm perhaps i need to make a mat mod that has one inventory slot for keys |
| 09:23 |
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| 09:23 |
tenplus1 |
hi folks |
| 09:24 |
CWz |
oh hello there solider |
| 09:24 |
tenplus1 |
hi CWz |
| 09:24 |
CWz |
You missed todays off-topic topic |
| 09:24 |
* tenplus1 |
sips his army rationed coffee |
| 09:24 |
tenplus1 |
ooh, what happened ? |
| 09:24 |
Krock |
hi tenplus1 |
| 09:24 |
tenplus1 |
hi Krock :P |
| 09:24 |
Krock |
^^ |
| 09:25 |
CWz |
today's off-topic topic is "Keys under the doormat, and the stupid homeowners who leave them there" |
| 09:25 |
tenplus1 |
omg, that's the 1st place ppl look, and plantpots and fake stones |
| 09:27 |
CWz |
so how's thing over at the land of Xanadu |
| 09:28 |
tenplus1 |
good good, robbie is hopefully recording this weekend and we'll be on BaldNerd |
| 09:28 |
CWz |
BaldNerd? |
| 09:29 |
tenplus1 |
ThePixelShadow is the series, BaldNerd is the character hosting the video :P |
| 09:29 |
CWz |
wasn't ShadowCat, d't remember her name? |
| 09:29 |
tenplus1 |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhWx7WneKNA |
| 09:30 |
CWz |
RobbieF, Are you Baldnerd? |
| 09:31 |
CWz |
tenplus1, i though that recording on Xanadu is a big no no |
| 09:31 |
tenplus1 |
without owner permission, yes :P |
| 09:31 |
tenplus1 |
Shinji is kewl with this |
| 09:32 |
tenplus1 |
and the admin pre-warned :P |
| 09:39 |
CWz |
If i recall, the rules says, no uploading videos to youtube, correct? |
| 09:39 |
tenplus1 |
without permission :P |
| 09:41 |
CWz |
what about other video sites, like daily motion, Vimeo, metacafe, yahoo video, my space,rutube, and the others. i think might want to reword that rule. |
| 09:41 |
tenplus1 |
heh yeah :P will rethink that one and have it translate ;D |
| 09:43 |
CWz |
something like "don't upload videos without prior permission" |
| 09:45 |
CWz |
does it cover uploading screenshots as a slide show to youtube |
| 09:46 |
tenplus1 |
lol, how to fiddle the rules :P ehehehehe |
| 09:48 |
Megaf |
EMRAX268 |
| 09:48 |
Megaf |
ops |
| 09:48 |
tenplus1 |
hi Megaf |
| 09:48 |
Megaf |
hi |
| 09:48 |
Megaf |
dat moment when ctrl c/ctrl v no longer works and you want to quote someone on IRC |
| 09:49 |
Megaf |
Why the heck dis is not working? |
| 09:50 |
Megaf |
I cant copy anything from Hexchat |
| 09:50 |
Megaf |
brb |
| 09:50 |
Megaf |
anyway |
| 09:50 |
Megaf |
CWz, please make such mod :) |
| 09:50 |
Megaf |
a mat with a single item inventory |
| 09:50 |
tenplus1 |
seems hexchat is giving many problems lately... try Pidgin for a while |
| 09:50 |
Megaf |
to store keys |
| 09:51 |
Megaf |
well, I never liked Hexchat |
| 09:51 |
Megaf |
for me it was always pointless |
| 09:52 |
tenplus1 |
pointless, how so ? |
| 09:52 |
Megaf |
they should just continue XChat |
| 09:52 |
tenplus1 |
wasnt it a fork ? |
| 09:54 |
Megaf |
it is |
| 09:54 |
tenplus1 |
the tend to fork something when the original has something up with development or going in the wrong direction |
| 10:04 |
tenplus1 |
yup, development in xchat stopped in 2010 for xchat... hex has taken over but has some issues in windows it seems |
| 10:05 |
Megaf |
I just got the source from xchat here, will try to build it :) |
| 10:05 |
Calinou |
HexChat has no issues here, on Windows, last time I used itr |
| 10:05 |
Calinou |
but now I'm on Quassel, which is better |
| 10:05 |
tenplus1 |
good luck :))) |
| 10:05 |
tenplus1 |
hi Cal |
| 10:05 |
tenplus1 |
yeah was just looking at that one, Quassel looks interesting |
| 10:06 |
Megaf |
#error "Only <glib.h> can be included directly." |
| 10:06 |
Megaf |
/usr/include/glib-2.0/glib/gslist.h:29:2: error: #error "Only <glib.h> can be included directly." |
| 10:06 |
Megaf |
what kind of compilation error is that? |
| 10:06 |
tenplus1 |
o.O YouTube have changed their rules again it seems... Only channels with 10,000 viewers+ will be able to make money... da hell!!! |
| 10:06 |
Megaf |
Hello Calinou |
| 10:06 |
Calinou |
hi |
| 10:06 |
Calinou |
holidays just started here :D |
| 10:06 |
Calinou |
I'm happy |
| 10:06 |
Calinou |
(2 weeks) |
| 10:07 |
Megaf |
ok, youtube just killed my channel |
| 10:07 |
Megaf |
thanks for the news Calinou |
| 10:07 |
tenplus1 |
youtube is going to lose if they keep going this way... all it takes it a new video site to take over and treat uploaders will some respect |
| 10:08 |
Megaf |
The thing is, under the good youtube is amazing |
| 10:08 |
Calinou |
we need an ethical YouTube alternative… |
| 10:08 |
Calinou |
:'( |
| 10:08 |
Calinou |
open source, self-hostable, with good official instanc e |
| 10:08 |
Megaf |
it still keeps the original files people uploaded since the begining |
| 10:08 |
Calinou |
with less bullshit, and more good things |
| 10:08 |
Megaf |
do you have any idea how much storage does that takes? |
| 10:08 |
Calinou |
(allow video downloading by default, allow choosing any CC license, etc) |
| 10:08 |
Calinou |
yes |
| 10:08 |
tenplus1 |
no matter how many viewers you have you should gain from any video with adverts included |
| 10:08 |
Calinou |
we need a rich, crazy man with money |
| 10:08 |
Calinou |
like Lichess |
| 10:09 |
Calinou |
Lichess is fully funded by donators now :P |
| 10:11 |
tenplus1 |
would be amazing if someone would take up that challenge and make a better video site... |
| 10:11 |
Calinou |
moderation is a big problem, but it's possible to overcome it |
| 10:12 |
Calinou |
I actually thought quite a bit about this issue |
| 10:13 |
tenplus1 |
what did you come up with ? |
| 10:13 |
Calinou |
nothing… just thoughts |
| 10:13 |
Calinou |
I would still like to code a self-hostable video platform for fun |
| 10:14 |
Calinou |
it could be invite-only at first (everyone can view, but you need to be invited to upload) |
| 10:14 |
Calinou |
that can be a decent model to start with |
| 10:14 |
tenplus1 |
+100 :) webm all around :D |
| 10:14 |
CWz |
i wonder when youtube would get suppassed by others |
| 10:14 |
Calinou |
unfortunately, you still need to convert to MP4 today |
| 10:15 |
Calinou |
many browsers don't support WebM |
| 10:15 |
tenplus1 |
well, if they keep dicking their uploaders around like they are doing now, not too long |
| 10:15 |
Calinou |
or only under certain conditions (MS Edge needs hardware acceleration, and it's only for VP9, and only in Intel Kaby Lake) |
| 10:15 |
tenplus1 |
all the main browsers handle webm no probs |
| 10:15 |
tenplus1 |
vp9 is a good standard tho |
| 10:15 |
CWz |
if recall daily motion and Vimeo are good candidates if i recall |
| 10:15 |
CWz |
we need an open source video format |
| 10:16 |
tenplus1 |
ogg theora |
| 10:16 |
CWz |
what about ogv? |
| 10:16 |
tenplus1 |
yeah, that's the one :) (theora0 |
| 10:16 |
tenplus1 |
I have ALL my music converted into .ogg (vorbis) audio |
| 10:17 |
Calinou |
vimeo used to lack 1080p for a long time |
| 10:17 |
Calinou |
I think they still lack big things |
| 10:17 |
Calinou |
also, it's still proprietary, ad-riddled, etc |
| 10:17 |
Calinou |
Theora is dead, too |
| 10:17 |
Calinou |
VP8 basically replaced it, so did VP9 |
| 10:18 |
CWz |
we need gnuv |
| 10:18 |
Calinou |
let's use RoQ everywhere |
| 10:18 |
Calinou |
(id Tech 3 video format) |
| 10:18 |
Calinou |
or .cin (id Tech 2 video format, limited to 256-color palette, even better) |
| 10:18 |
tenplus1 |
heh... quicktime :DDDDDD |
| 10:18 |
CWz |
realplayer |
| 10:19 |
tenplus1 |
hah lol... that was sooooo bad |
| 10:19 |
CWz |
*realoneplayer |
| 10:20 |
CWz |
I remember back when i was in primary school i used to play sonic 1 - 3 on the real one arcade |
| 10:20 |
Calinou |
sanic |
| 10:20 |
tenplus1 |
omg, imagine a site with .avi format 640x480 256 colours... *shudder* |
| 10:20 |
* CWz |
misses the early 2000s websites. |
| 10:21 |
tenplus1 |
Windows 95 CD came with 3x videos which was fun |
| 10:21 |
Zeno` |
I think you need to drink more, CWz |
| 10:21 |
CWz |
haha it's called youtube 240p |
| 10:21 |
tenplus1 |
now the Win10 dvd has over 20+gb of crap and ancient drivers |
| 10:21 |
* CWz |
puts Zeno` back to bed and hands him a teddycat |
| 10:21 |
nrzkt |
i'm a bit late but no problem on my hexchat at home on archlinux |
| 10:21 |
Zeno` |
or do *something*. Missing early 2000 websites is a bit of a worry :P |
| 10:21 |
Calinou |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdJVyfDuc_g |
| 10:22 |
Calinou |
this is what we had 20 years ago, when video had to be stored in a game-friendly format |
| 10:23 |
CWz |
Holy crap that quility is so good compared to 144p |
| 10:23 |
tenplus1 |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpal68Hlr0M <-- Amiga CD32's Microcosm intro video |
| 10:23 |
Calinou |
I actually like it, it was quite high production value back then |
| 10:23 |
Calinou |
it's really goofy CGI :P |
| 10:23 |
tenplus1 |
they took time back then to make games ppl would wanna play... now it's all about the cash |
| 10:24 |
CWz |
modern games are nothing bug suck in the cash, and spew out shit for the fans to munch on, while the developers swim in the doe. Call of Duty comes to mind |
| 10:24 |
tenplus1 |
much prefer the indie game arena... |
| 10:26 |
CWz |
EA is good example of how things have fallen just look at sims 4 compared to sims 3 and sims 3. |
| 10:27 |
CWz |
DLC is the future |
| 10:27 |
Calinou |
I realize, this is the only time you hear Bitterman, the Quake 2 protagonist (IIRC) |
| 10:28 |
tenplus1 |
do you remember a game company called Psygnosis ? |
| 10:28 |
Calinou |
no |
| 10:29 |
tenplus1 |
they were a group of 5 guys who worked out of an apartment in Manchester, UK and made some amazing games for many platforms... |
| 10:29 |
tenplus1 |
they were so good at one point Sony bought them over and sadly destroyed the company... *sob* |
| 10:29 |
tenplus1 |
http://psygnosis.org/games/ |
| 10:30 |
tenplus1 |
they introduced the video intro's to 16-bit gaming :D |
| 10:33 |
Calinou |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGEavi7TRzQ |
| 10:33 |
Calinou |
this reminds me… I once read Quake's QuakeC (game logic) source code |
| 10:33 |
Calinou |
this is how I learned about many things |
| 10:33 |
Calinou |
like, shamblers take only 30% of explosive damage, so you should generally never use grenades and rockets on them |
| 10:33 |
Calinou |
if you die of lava on map "start", the death message is "visits the Volcano god" instead of "turned into hot slag" |
| 10:33 |
Calinou |
(I love Quake's death messages, and the multiplayer ones are… special) |
| 10:34 |
Calinou |
ah no, it's actually random |
| 10:34 |
tenplus1 |
lol |
| 10:34 |
Calinou |
https://github.com/id-Software/Quake/blob/bf4ac424ce754894ac8f1dae6a3981954bc9852d/QW/progs/client.qc#L1450-L1461 |
| 10:35 |
Calinou |
look at the deathmatch death messages |
| 10:35 |
Calinou |
it's innuendo party |
| 10:40 |
Calinou |
heh, guy who uploaded the repo https://github.com/tbradshaw has 180 followers, yet 0 contributions in the last year |
| 10:40 |
Calinou |
and only one repo to his name |
| 10:41 |
tenplus1 |
I get the feeling he had his friends/family follow him |
| 10:41 |
tenplus1 |
or peeps at work |
| 11:14 |
Krock |
or lots of private repositories that aren't listed as contributions |
| 11:14 |
tenplus1 |
hrm. |
| 11:15 |
tenplus1 |
I only ever check the repos on my own git stream... minetest-mods being a main one |
| 11:15 |
Calinou |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=17182&p=262282#p262282 |
| 11:15 |
Calinou |
someone came up with a magic solution with regards to cheating |
| 11:15 |
Calinou |
I bet 10 MinetestCoins that he'll patent it and be successful with it |
| 11:15 |
Calinou |
… |
| 11:15 |
Calinou |
/s |
| 11:16 |
tenplus1 |
I hope it does, that sounds interesting... would stop so many idiots hacking there way around servers |
| 11:17 |
Calinou |
meh, it won't work |
| 11:18 |
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| 11:21 |
tenplus1 |
hi Jordach |
| 11:23 |
Calinou |
whoa, Doomworld forums, I'm not impressed |
| 11:23 |
Calinou |
I tried signing up, it refused me because of failed captcha |
| 11:23 |
Calinou |
- I tried with third party cookies enabled, still fails |
| 11:23 |
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| 11:23 |
Calinou |
- I tried with disabled uBlock Origin, still fails |
| 11:23 |
Calinou |
I ended up using Twitter login… |
| 11:25 |
Calinou |
"0 warning points - No restrictions being applied" |
| 11:25 |
Calinou |
wow, I'm proud :P |
| 11:25 |
tenplus1 |
hi Darcidride |
| 11:25 |
tenplus1 |
:P |
| 11:31 |
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| 11:32 |
tenplus1 |
hi fixer |
| 11:32 |
Fixer |
hi |
| 12:08 |
RobbieF |
CWz, I play the character of BaldNerd on The Pixel Shadow, yes. I am not him though. I'm much more adorable. |
| 12:09 |
Darcidride |
Hi ten |
| 12:10 |
Darcidride |
too late :) |
| 12:10 |
RobbieF |
ha, I seriously missed tenplus1 by 1.5 minutes. Gah. |
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| 12:31 |
Megaf |
Cheers ChanServ |
| 12:39 |
Krock |
cleaned up sneak code coming soon! :D |
| 12:44 |
Fixer |
nice |
| 12:46 |
Krock |
Fixer, are you interested in testing it? https://github.com/SmallJoker/minetest/tree/sneak1 |
| 12:46 |
Fixer |
Krock: when you publish it as a PR, sure %) |
| 12:46 |
Krock |
hehe. will do that. okay ;) |
| 12:46 |
Fixer |
i'm serious sick of this sneak testing |
| 12:47 |
Fixer |
so much problems, bugs, etc |
| 12:47 |
Fixer |
it is a mess |
| 12:49 |
Krock |
Fixer, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/5533 |
| 12:49 |
Krock |
the code amount reduced dramatically :3 |
| 12:49 |
Fixer |
"No idea how to describe the changes. A lot shortened away.." |
| 12:49 |
Fixer |
kek |
| 12:51 |
Fixer |
Krock: what exactly I need to test? sneaking in general? sneak ladders? |
| 12:51 |
Fixer |
double jump? |
| 12:51 |
Krock |
Fixer, gameplay overall, if somehow possible |
| 12:51 |
Krock |
so basically all of it .. |
| 12:51 |
Krock |
double jumps are gone, they can't be tested here |
| 12:52 |
Krock |
Not sure if, but maybe it also stops the jittering when you walk against the limit |
| 12:54 |
Fixer |
finally no CMD window and console stuff is also working, niiice |
| 12:54 |
Krock |
^^ |
| 12:55 |
Fixer |
command line also works |
| 12:55 |
Fixer |
very good |
| 12:55 |
Fixer |
mingw64 |
| 12:55 |
Fixer |
finally that shitty cmd window is gone |
| 12:55 |
Krock |
I see many people prefer it without the cmd window. I'm glad that there was the possibility to enable/disable it over command line |
| 12:55 |
Fixer |
it is disabled by default, can be enabled easily with minetest --console |
| 12:56 |
Krock |
haven't got the most recent build yet but will definitely add that param to my minetest starter link :3 |
| 12:57 |
Fixer |
yep, it works |
| 12:58 |
Fixer |
very nice |
| 12:59 |
* Krock |
is sceptical |
| 13:00 |
Fixer |
made a link with --console - proper console is opened |
| 13:00 |
Fixer |
starting from CMD console works |
| 13:00 |
Fixer |
commandline options work |
| 13:01 |
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| 13:01 |
Krock |
wb tenplus1 |
| 13:01 |
tenplus1 |
thanks :) |
| 13:01 |
Krock |
np |
| 13:02 |
tenplus1 |
hi folks :P |
| 13:02 |
* tenplus1 |
has popcorn and coffee now :pPpp |
| 13:02 |
Krock |
how do these two things even MATCH?? |
| 13:02 |
Fixer |
easily |
| 13:02 |
tenplus1 |
*sip* *nom* quite well actually : |
| 13:02 |
Krock |
ugh. Okay. |
| 13:02 |
tenplus1 |
eheheh |
| 13:03 |
tenplus1 |
I like weird combo's |
| 13:05 |
Megaf |
Wb tenplus1 |
| 13:05 |
tenplus1 |
thx Megaf |
| 13:05 |
* Megaf |
may I have some? |
| 13:05 |
* tenplus1 |
shares |
| 13:06 |
Fixer |
Krock: https://i.imgur.com/CmUkgsc.png |
| 13:07 |
tenplus1 |
laters build ? |
| 13:07 |
Krock |
lovely :) |
| 13:07 |
tenplus1 |
ahaha, player knockback works too well.. am being tossed around like a tennis ball by mobs :D |
| 13:08 |
Fixer |
Krock: only thing is that "dir" cmd, after mt cmd line execution it does not add $PATH> part, all commands still work though |
| 13:08 |
Fixer |
Krock: but thats cosmetic |
| 13:10 |
Fixer |
Krock: works correctly in bat files too |
| 13:11 |
Fixer |
https://i.imgur.com/ANbJA6t.png |
| 13:11 |
Fixer |
minetest --version is executed succesfuly and them dir command via bat file, everything is fine |
| 13:13 |
Fixer |
then* |
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| 13:15 |
Fixer |
Krock: no need for link, just add enable_console = true in minetest.conf - console starts with minetest as before, nice |
| 13:15 |
* Krock |
looks up the commit to see what he has missed |
| 13:16 |
Krock |
well, great. the setting is not even documented |
| 13:17 |
Fixer |
Krock: is not minetest.conf is updated by some other means? |
| 13:17 |
Fixer |
Krock: this needs to be documented |
| 13:17 |
Fixer |
not the first time people miss minetest.conf |
| 13:17 |
Krock |
no, the documentation must be done manually |
| 13:18 |
Krock |
there's a script to convert the settingtypes to the minetest.conf.example file (or the other way, dunno) |
| 13:18 |
benrob0329 |
Calinou CWz tenplus1 Megaf |
| 13:19 |
tenplus1 |
hi ben |
| 13:19 |
Calinou |
? |
| 13:19 |
benrob0329 |
Vid.me is gaining popularity |
| 13:19 |
tenplus1 |
checking |
| 13:19 |
Fixer |
Krock: i don't see it in setting types but in defaultsettings.cpp only |
| 13:19 |
benrob0329 |
I have a channel on there |
| 13:20 |
Krock |
Fixer, yes. It's not documented anywhere apart from the code itself |
| 13:20 |
benrob0329 |
I can say the app has gotten much better |
| 13:20 |
Fixer |
Krock: wanna do a trivial PR about that? %) |
| 13:20 |
tenplus1 |
ooh, +1 for small vid links and html5 video support :) |
| 13:20 |
Krock |
Fixer, sure, why not? *shrug* |
| 13:20 |
benrob0329 |
Media Goblen is self hosted |
| 13:20 |
* Krock |
creates a new branch |
| 13:21 |
Calinou |
MediaGoblin kind of sucks though |
| 13:21 |
Calinou |
the UI is not that good (they want to make it different from YouTube for reasonsâ„¢) |
| 13:21 |
Calinou |
installation is rather complex too |
| 13:24 |
Megaf |
VIdme doesnt work on Opera |
| 13:25 |
Megaf |
VidMe |
| 13:25 |
Megaf |
the goblin thing sucks a lot |
| 13:25 |
benrob0329 |
that's srange |
| 13:25 |
benrob0329 |
Codecs? |
| 13:25 |
tenplus1 |
vidme supresses specific types of video.... not good |
| 13:25 |
tenplus1 |
what else is out there that's good ? |
| 13:26 |
benrob0329 |
Define "suppress" |
| 13:26 |
tenplus1 |
certain topics are censored from trending pages and removed from catagories |
| 13:26 |
tenplus1 |
https://vid.me/SXfn |
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| 13:26 |
Krock |
Fixer, too lazy to check for all missing params.. writing Lua script with regex checks for this :3 |
| 13:27 |
tenplus1 |
hi WhoAreYou |
| 13:27 |
WhoAreYou |
Oh, hello tenplus1. :) |
| 13:28 |
benrob0329 |
tenplus1: that's...interesting |
| 13:28 |
benrob0329 |
can't say that's the worst thing that they could do |
| 13:29 |
benrob0329 |
But its not the best |
| 13:29 |
tenplus1 |
https://safetricks.org/youtube-alternatives/ |
| 13:29 |
benrob0329 |
The thing is, I don't want a site with no rules or moderation |
| 13:30 |
benrob0329 |
Like, I don't want to be scrolling through the trending page and have porn be spread throughout it |
| 13:30 |
tenplus1 |
definitely keep the rules for censoring things like nudity/porn/major violence/ensighting violence etc |
| 13:31 |
tenplus1 |
but many people want a voice and hate youtube and other sites like it censoring them... what happened to net neutrality |
| 13:32 |
Fixer |
host everything yourself if possible, this will get maximum avoid censoring mode |
| 13:33 |
benrob0329 |
Until the government is allowed more control of the web |
| 13:35 |
tenplus1 |
they dont seem to realist that pushing users off certain sites and controlling/closing certain sites makes them go elsewhere and so they are harder to track |
| 13:36 |
benrob0329 |
True |
| 13:36 |
benrob0329 |
Like deep/dark web |
| 13:37 |
tenplus1 |
so by forcing ppl's hand they move to places that cant be tracked so easily |
| 13:38 |
benrob0329 |
And whos to say a new web couldn't be invented |
| 13:38 |
tenplus1 |
true :P |
| 13:39 |
benrob0329 |
I wonder how long until minetest bases the selection box around the mesh |
| 13:40 |
tenplus1 |
bases ? |
| 13:40 |
benrob0329 |
like, rather than have it be a nodebox |
| 13:41 |
tenplus1 |
explain pls ? |
| 13:43 |
Fixer |
all your base are belong to us |
| 13:43 |
benrob0329 |
Right now selecton boxes are just boxes, with multiple boxes if you do it right |
| 13:43 |
benrob0329 |
They should be based of the mesh used |
| 13:44 |
benrob0329 |
Even if its just an approximation |
| 13:44 |
tenplus1 |
is it quicker this way ? |
| 13:45 |
benrob0329 |
Its easier on the modder, and the default of most engines |
| 13:46 |
benrob0329 |
Not having the player fall through entities would be nice as well, but I don't know how difficult that would be |
| 14:01 |
RobbieF |
good morning tenplus1 |
| 14:01 |
tenplus1 |
hi robbie |
| 14:01 |
RobbieF |
hi all |
| 14:02 |
tenplus1 |
vimeo seems ok but a tad slow to load |
| 14:04 |
RobbieF |
really? |
| 14:04 |
tenplus1 |
checking out youtube alternatives robbie, they've changed their rules again |
| 14:04 |
RobbieF |
Oh |
| 14:04 |
RobbieF |
We use Vimeo. I'm not having any trouble today. |
| 14:05 |
RobbieF |
Slow to load? |
| 14:05 |
RobbieF |
All our feeds and our Roku channel are powered by Vimeo |
| 14:05 |
tenplus1 |
video works fine, just the initial loading of the front page that's slow |
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| 14:05 |
RobbieF |
who uses the vimeo front page? :D |
| 14:05 |
tenplus1 |
hi octacian |
| 14:05 |
octacian |
morning tenplus1 |
| 14:06 |
RobbieF |
https://vimeo.com/category5 |
| 14:06 |
tenplus1 |
:P |
| 14:07 |
RobbieF |
tenplus1 - https://cat5.tv/vimeo if you decide to sign up. Saves you some cash monies and gives us a commission. |
| 14:07 |
benrob0329 |
I could make a vimeo account....but I don't think the majority of my content would git... |
| 14:07 |
benrob0329 |
Also hi RobbieF |
| 14:07 |
tenplus1 |
wait, you gotta pay to join vimeo ??? |
| 14:07 |
RobbieF |
hiya |
| 14:07 |
benrob0329 |
Yes and no |
| 14:07 |
RobbieF |
tenplus1 yes, it's a pro centred service. |
| 14:07 |
RobbieF |
benrob0329... yes, you have to pay. Really. |
| 14:08 |
benrob0329 |
there's a non paid account though, no? |
| 14:08 |
RobbieF |
Saying you don't have to pay for Vimeo is like saying you can get "free wine" because the wine shop is giving little 1/2 oz taste tests. |
| 14:08 |
benrob0329 |
Wirh afs n such |
| 14:08 |
benrob0329 |
*ads |
| 14:08 |
tenplus1 |
I assumed it ran on Ad revenue same as youtube |
| 14:08 |
RobbieF |
nope |
| 14:08 |
RobbieF |
That was Blip you're thinking of. They went out of business. |
| 14:10 |
benrob0329 |
Nope |
| 14:10 |
benrob0329 |
https://help.vimeo.com/hc/en-us/articles/228068968-Compare-Vimeo-plans |
| 14:10 |
benrob0329 |
Vimeo basic |
| 14:11 |
RobbieF |
you planning to make little 30 second videos? |
| 14:11 |
tenplus1 |
I'll only be watching videos, never uploading |
| 14:12 |
RobbieF |
again, that's like a wee taste-test |
| 14:12 |
RobbieF |
oh, it's free to WATCH tenplus1 |
| 14:12 |
benrob0329 |
500 megs is a lot for 720p |
| 14:12 |
* tenplus1 |
watches RetroPi video :DDD |
| 14:12 |
RobbieF |
uh, benrob0329... yikes. |
| 14:12 |
RobbieF |
lol |
| 14:12 |
benrob0329 |
granted, I dont use 720p |
| 14:12 |
RobbieF |
our show is 1080p. One episode costs me about 15 GB. |
| 14:12 |
tenplus1 |
for simple videos 360/480 is more than enough :D |
| 14:12 |
octacian |
..but for 1080p at 30fps, 500MB isn't much |
| 14:12 |
RobbieF |
500 MB is nothing. |
| 14:13 |
octacian |
....which I why I for one no longer use Vimeo |
| 14:13 |
RobbieF |
I just pay the bill :D |
| 14:13 |
octacian |
Wait, RobbieF: how long is each episode? |
| 14:13 |
benrob0329 |
1080p 60 is even worse |
| 14:13 |
RobbieF |
1 hour roughly octacian, but gets edited into snippets so each episode is actually several videos in the end. |
| 14:13 |
octacian |
tenplus1: Personally I won't upload anything below 1080p anymore, no matter the length. Sometimes 720p, but rarely |
| 14:14 |
RobbieF |
benrob0329 we also do 360 VR video.... |
| 14:14 |
RobbieF |
in 4k |
| 14:14 |
octacian |
How would that be 15GB... |
| 14:14 |
tenplus1 |
my net-top can just about handle 720p.... but I watch everything in 480 regardless |
| 14:14 |
benrob0329 |
a 10 minute video is around a gig, even more if its not as compressed |
| 14:14 |
RobbieF |
it varies octacian. This week's was only 10 GB |
| 14:14 |
RobbieF |
not as many features |
| 14:15 |
RobbieF |
Then, to top it off, we also have other shows |
| 14:15 |
octacian |
huh, for me 10m videos are about 350-400MB |
| 14:15 |
RobbieF |
so that adds even more |
| 14:15 |
RobbieF |
octacian those wouldn't be for broadcast. |
| 14:15 |
RobbieF |
fine for personal viewing |
| 14:15 |
RobbieF |
our masters are ~40 GB per show |
| 14:15 |
RobbieF |
closer to 100 GB if we're shooting 4K |
| 14:15 |
octacian |
I'm talking 400MB at 1080p 60FPS |
| 14:15 |
tenplus1 |
4k is far too much tbh |
| 14:15 |
RobbieF |
Episode 471 (4K 360) was something like 320 GB |
| 14:16 |
RobbieF |
tenplus1 these are the broadcast masters. Vimeo then scales them down to as low as 360p |
| 14:16 |
Fixer |
If you go audio only with opus encoding - you got like 5 mb per 1 hour of audio :} |
| 14:16 |
tenplus1 |
unless you're releasing an amazingly beautiful movie with scenery that's worth the extra resolution, 720p is more than enough |
| 14:16 |
benrob0329 |
nope |
| 14:16 |
benrob0329 |
Never |
| 14:16 |
Jordach |
4k is a joke |
| 14:16 |
RobbieF |
Yes, category5 is an amazingly beautiful movie with scenery :D |
| 14:16 |
tenplus1 |
ehehehehe |
| 14:17 |
benrob0329 |
I use 720 only when live streaming |
| 14:17 |
RobbieF |
don't tell Sasha I called her scenery ;p |
| 14:17 |
tenplus1 |
lolz |
| 14:17 |
benrob0329 |
(I only have 5 mbps up) |
| 14:17 |
* Jordach |
tells on RobbieF |
| 14:17 |
RobbieF |
ouch benrob0329 :D |
| 14:17 |
Jordach |
Kappa |
| 14:17 |
RobbieF |
I have 120 Mb/s up |
| 14:18 |
Jordach |
RobbieF, 4K isn't mainstream for ages |
| 14:18 |
RobbieF |
huh?! |
| 14:18 |
Jordach |
most of the world can't even stream it |
| 14:18 |
tenplus1 |
many years ago I use to have an H&B 3255 dvd player that could handle .avi files... and anything i ever downloaded was transcoded to 320x256 24fps so that I coudl fit 24hrs worth if video on a single dvd disc |
| 14:18 |
Jordach |
let alone upload it |
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| 14:18 |
benrob0329 |
Dang, that's probably handy |
| 14:18 |
tenplus1 |
hi rubenwardy |
| 14:18 |
RobbieF |
then they can watch the 360p Jordach :D |
| 14:18 |
RobbieF |
the technology is HLS |
| 14:18 |
Jordach |
RobbieF, yes there's scalers |
| 14:18 |
RobbieF |
so why say 4K is nonsense? |
| 14:18 |
RobbieF |
HLS auto-scales to their bandwidth Jordach |
| 14:18 |
Jordach |
but people usually have either 1080p/720p or 4K displays |
| 14:18 |
rubenwardy |
hi tenplus1 |
| 14:19 |
Jordach |
(samsung phones and iPhones are above 1080p) |
| 14:19 |
benrob0329 |
I plan on buying a 4k monitor one of these days... |
| 14:19 |
Jordach |
benrob0329, GPUs can somewhat push 4k60 |
| 14:19 |
benrob0329 |
That and a capture card and I'm all set :D |
| 14:20 |
RobbieF |
You should have seen the production on Episode 471. Ye gads. 2 hours of 4K 360 video at 30fps. |
| 14:20 |
RobbieF |
it was brutal to edit and render. |
| 14:20 |
tenplus1 |
I can imagine |
| 14:20 |
benrob0329 |
Well, actually minetest would handle 4k.. |
| 14:20 |
benrob0329 |
*might not |
| 14:21 |
RobbieF |
with 360 though you have to keep in mind, their viewport is only ~960p (the part they see in front of them) so you NEED the 4K source to get any sensible quality. |
| 14:21 |
Jordach |
benrob0329, MT can handle 4K |
| 14:21 |
benrob0329 |
But how well? |
| 14:22 |
Fixer |
benrob0329: i7 + some good videocard |
| 14:23 |
tenplus1 |
oof... am lucky to ever get 45fps with full sreen HD in minetest :D |
| 14:23 |
benrob0329 |
Like, I've got a 980ti but minetest isn't the most optimized game on the plannet |
| 14:23 |
octacian |
tenplus1: I get a solid 60FPS :P |
| 14:23 |
octacian |
And I've got a 750Ti |
| 14:23 |
* tenplus1 |
has Nvidia Ion.2 mobile graphics :D |
| 14:23 |
RobbieF |
not to mention, 2 GB RAM :D |
| 14:24 |
RobbieF |
So tenplus1... 4K runs like a dog. 1fps. |
| 14:24 |
benrob0329 |
I get 60 on my i5 laptop |
| 14:24 |
tenplus1 |
hehehe, your gfx card is more powerful than my whole pc |
| 14:24 |
RobbieF |
tenplus1 I've had turds that are more powerful than your PC |
| 14:24 |
RobbieF |
:D |
| 14:24 |
benrob0329 |
XD |
| 14:24 |
tenplus1 |
more than likely :P but I love my wee net-top... |
| 14:25 |
benrob0329 |
My old celoron could pump out 60 |
| 14:25 |
tenplus1 |
http://www.netbooknews.com/wp-content/2010/09/acer-aspire-revo-ars3700-01.jpg |
| 14:26 |
RobbieF |
cute! |
| 14:27 |
tenplus1 |
and best of all, Xanadu was built on that wee setup :) you can feel all the lag so optimizing mods is great on it :D |
| 14:31 |
benrob0329 |
it'd be like if Olimar fought in Street Fighter |
| 14:32 |
tenplus1 |
:P |
| 14:33 |
octacian |
You know, it's fun attempting to create parent-child constraints for HUDs... |
| 14:33 |
RobbieF |
yeah that's a smart process tenplus1. |
| 14:36 |
tenplus1 |
:3 |
| 14:38 |
Fixer |
Krock: it does climb up more realistically |
| 14:38 |
Fixer |
Krock: slower speed, interesting motion |
| 14:38 |
Krock |
good to hear. what are the downsides you found? |
| 14:38 |
tenplus1 |
you changed the climbing speed for ladders ? |
| 14:39 |
Fixer |
Krock: slower climb for two row sneak ladder and even slower for one row one |
| 14:40 |
Fixer |
Krock: two row is this https://i.imgur.com/tE6aMpU.png |
| 14:40 |
Krock |
one-row is not supposed to work o.0 |
| 14:41 |
Krock |
interesting |
| 14:41 |
Fixer |
Krock: one row is working but slower https://i.imgur.com/lbAyNkF.png |
| 14:41 |
Fixer |
faster to use the ladder :} |
| 14:41 |
Krock |
hmm.. got to test that one now |
| 14:43 |
Krock |
trying to get up on a 1-row ladder.. can't manage to get up |
| 14:43 |
* Krock |
checks his settings |
| 14:44 |
benrob0329 |
How have I managed to get 1.4k views on my second video |
| 14:44 |
benrob0329 |
That video isn't even noteworthy |
| 14:44 |
Krock |
oh. my jump speed is set to 6.0, that's why |
| 14:44 |
Krock |
indeed, works now :D |
| 14:46 |
tenplus1 |
is this change going in default ? |
| 14:46 |
Krock |
Fixer, do you already have an opinion on it? I'd appreciate if you could write a summary on the pull :) |
| 14:47 |
Krock |
tenplus1, what do you mean? 1-row sneak ladders were alreay possible before (i.e. old sneak code) |
| 14:47 |
tenplus1 |
that's what I mean, are these new changes being added ? |
| 14:48 |
Krock |
tenplus1, only if you test it and approve the changes from the perspective of a regular player ^^ |
| 14:48 |
Krock |
it's in the pull pipeline: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/5533 |
| 14:48 |
tenplus1 |
:P |
| 14:50 |
Krock |
Fixer, how about the jitter? is there still any when walking against the limits? |
| 14:50 |
Fixer |
can't reproduce the jitter |
| 14:51 |
Krock |
my framerates might be too low to notice anything but if you can't notice any then *horray* |
| 14:51 |
Fixer |
can't reproduce at 100 fps |
| 14:52 |
benrob0329 |
Speaking of jitter, I experienced some whilst flying at slow speeds a while ago, was that just my setup being weird? |
| 14:53 |
Fixer |
Krock: try sneaking on door |
| 14:55 |
Krock |
eh.. acts weird :/ |
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| 15:00 |
nore |
Krock: do we really want to add damage evasion back? :' |
| 15:00 |
Fixer |
Krock: double jump is also possible in many places |
| 15:01 |
tenplus1 |
nore: the hold sneak while falling issue ? |
| 15:01 |
Krock |
nore, no, but there are settings |
| 15:01 |
nore |
from what I see it is only sneak_override_glitch |
| 15:02 |
nore |
ehm, physics_override_sneak_glitch I ments |
| 15:02 |
nore |
*meant |
| 15:03 |
Krock |
Fixer, okay. the doors are no way better than the current sneak code. will try to solve this |
| 15:03 |
Fixer |
nore: there still damage evasion possible in new sfans code, but it is much harder to evade in game situation |
| 15:05 |
nore |
hmm, interesting |
| 15:06 |
Fixer |
nore: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/329 this still possible |
| 15:06 |
Fixer |
nore: https://imgur.com/a/emxdQ |
| 15:07 |
* tenplus1 |
tries to envision WHY fall damage is negated by holding shift when falling onto a node... shouldnt y velocity come to a sudden 0 and damage occur regardless |
| 15:08 |
benrob0329 |
^^ |
| 15:08 |
Krock |
no, because sneak conflicts with the collision algorithm |
| 15:09 |
tenplus1 |
cant you check collision 1st, apply damage and sneak after ? |
| 15:09 |
Fixer |
thats what i suggested |
| 15:09 |
Fixer |
if velocity is more than X - do damage |
| 15:09 |
tenplus1 |
that way you have both (hopefully |
| 15:09 |
Fixer |
no matter what you press and how you fly |
| 15:10 |
tenplus1 |
even if you fly and you fly down at speed it shoudl still hurt |
| 15:10 |
tenplus1 |
unless you got good armor :D |
| 15:10 |
tenplus1 |
sudden stops over speed should hurt |
| 15:10 |
Fixer |
tenplus1: it hurts |
| 15:13 |
Fixer |
"check collision 1st, apply damage and sneak after" +1000 |
| 15:14 |
tenplus1 |
;P |
| 15:16 |
tenplus1 |
am starting to think shears should be a tool in default game |
| 15:17 |
tenplus1 |
digging grass/leaves only return a chance of a seed or sapling, but using shears would give you the grass/leaves also |
| 15:20 |
Fixer |
PART FISH @ PART GIRL @ I DON"T FIT YOUR WORLD>>> |
| 15:20 |
Fixer |
need to check another thing in sneaking |
| 15:20 |
Krock |
the problem is that the collision only returns speed changes if the player collided with something |
| 15:21 |
Fixer |
Krock: try walk + sneak on those stairs... https://i.imgur.com/EtkNVPZ.png |
| 15:21 |
Fixer |
i wonder if it is in default too |
| 15:21 |
Krock |
glitch glitch :D |
| 15:21 |
Fixer |
so fucked up even after sfans changes |
| 15:22 |
Fixer |
fuuuuuuuuuuucked up, THIS IS NOT FINE |
| 15:22 |
Krock |
yep, same way in the current sneak code |
| 15:22 |
Krock |
thanks a lot for testing :D |
| 15:23 |
Fixer |
Krock: if you walk off from full block to slab - sneaking will not occur (that also is present in default iirc) |
| 15:24 |
Krock |
yes, because there's still a node below your feet |
| 15:25 |
Fixer |
Krock: could this help? https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/4981 |
| 15:26 |
Fixer |
Krock: oh wait, not yet |
| 15:26 |
Krock |
no, that's about nodes that have an additional damage parameter |
| 15:26 |
Fixer |
Krock: he said collision damages is not done yet |
| 15:26 |
Fixer |
server-side collision damages will be later |
| 15:28 |
Fixer |
every time i test sneak stuff I'm getting triggered on how it is fucked up |
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| 16:54 |
benrob0329 |
I feel like the real problem may be MTs "fake" physics |
| 16:56 |
* tenplus1 |
floats through the sky and wonders what you mean o.O |
| 17:06 |
Krock |
this moment when gmail marks youtube notifications as spam :D |
| 17:07 |
Krock |
or "possible spam" |
| 17:07 |
tenplus1 |
ehehhe |
| 17:12 |
tenplus1 |
https://marketingfood.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/google-spam-300x251.jpg |
| 17:18 |
tenplus1 |
Krock: did you see the player knockback effects I added to PlayerPlus mod ? |
| 17:18 |
sofar |
https://twitter.com/WCSheriff/status/850380494109790209/photo/1 |
| 17:18 |
sofar |
^ the reason my kids have no school today |
| 17:19 |
tenplus1 |
power cables about to fall ? |
| 17:21 |
Jordach |
>squandering money on illegals and not infrastructure |
| 17:25 |
Krock |
tenplus1, not yet, no. |
| 17:27 |
tenplus1 |
no worries :P |
| 17:27 |
sofar |
Jordach: kek, rural infrastructure |
| 17:27 |
Krock |
does it use setPos()? :P |
| 17:28 |
tenplus1 |
nope, it's proper knockback effects :D |
| 17:28 |
benrob0329 |
sofar: we've got some of that, slushy I've storms up here |
| 17:28 |
tenplus1 |
github.com/tenplus1/playerplus |
| 17:28 |
sofar |
90kmph winds atm with 145kmph gusts. |
| 17:28 |
Krock |
then it must be done with attached entities |
| 17:28 |
tenplus1 |
yup, exactly :P |
| 17:28 |
Krock |
can't imagine another way |
| 17:29 |
tenplus1 |
and any tool can add a specific knockback strength or defaults to damage caused |
| 17:29 |
Krock |
rip internet? |
| 17:30 |
sofar |
bwahaha |
| 17:30 |
sofar |
his packet still went out |
| 17:31 |
benrob0329 |
Weechat android is really handy wheb your on the go |
| 17:37 |
Shara |
Hi everyone |
| 17:37 |
tenplus1 |
hi shara |
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| 17:41 |
Fixer |
need to update dat winxp sp1 machine to sp3 ._. |
| 17:42 |
tenplus1 |
wb Krock |
| 17:42 |
Krock |
ty |
| 17:42 |
Krock |
internet dieded :( |
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| 17:54 |
sofar |
Krock: you said "<Krock> rip internet?" before you disconnected |
| 17:55 |
Krock |
oh. didn't expect that it actually sent that o.0 |
| 17:55 |
Krock |
websites timed out and youtube stopped outputting nice sounds |
| 17:58 |
benrob0329 |
Irc is a very robust protocol apparently |
| 18:00 |
sofar |
Krock: you most likely lost DNS, but routing was still functional |
| 18:01 |
Krock |
ah okay |
| 18:09 |
sofar |
benrob0329: it's what DDOSers use, so, yeah |
| 18:12 |
Krock |
slow loris attack is still the best :D |
| 18:13 |
benrob0329 |
Just emp the server site |
| 18:13 |
rubenwardy |
benrob0329, *split* |
| 18:15 |
benrob0329 |
Its sad how easily our infrastructure is destroyed |
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| 18:26 |
Krock |
<offtopic> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LSIQmw3k3g </offtopic> </Krock> |
| 18:28 |
tenplus1 |
:P |
| 18:28 |
Krock |
Title: Electric Light Orchestra.- Discovery (1979) |
| 18:33 |
VanessaE |
does anyone have some insight into my possibly-mesecons-fault memory leak issue? |
| 18:37 |
nore |
VanessaE: my best guess would be voxelmanipulator-related memleak, but need to test |
| 18:37 |
Krock |
when you ask like this it looks like it's very hard to reproduce in singleplayer |
| 18:37 |
VanessaE |
Krock: that's okay, it's hard for me to even figure out where to look, let alone tell someone else how to reproduce :) |
| 18:37 |
VanessaE |
however, nore might be able to since he has a copy of VE-S world |
| 18:38 |
nore |
Krock could get one as well :) |
| 18:38 |
VanessaE |
(the only reason I said mesecons is because it's been cited numerous times in out-of-mem errors, though that may be a red herring) |
| 18:38 |
VanessaE |
sure, he could I guess :) |
| 18:38 |
Krock |
heh, 10 GiB? |
| 18:38 |
VanessaE |
yep, about that |
| 18:38 |
Krock |
:< |
| 18:38 |
VanessaE |
expands to around 12 or 13 GB |
| 18:38 |
nore |
That's only as much as a few movies :) |
| 18:39 |
VanessaE |
heh |
| 18:39 |
Krock |
got a quite slow connection here, thus upsampling and filtering where possible. a few movies never get that big :/ |
| 18:40 |
nore |
The only thing that is going to suffer is your disk while uncompressing :p |
| 18:40 |
VanessaE |
heh |
| 18:40 |
Krock |
lol |
| 18:40 |
Krock |
exporting a 4k movie as GIF :3 |
| 18:40 |
nore |
Ah yeah, slow connection is quite a pain |
| 18:40 |
nore |
Took me like 30 minutes to download with a fast one, so... |
| 18:40 |
VanessaE |
which is why a guy I knew many moons ago called it "bandnarrowth" :) |
| 18:41 |
Krock |
around 5 Mbps is enough for me usually but it's not funny if your upload connection is aborted randomly in between >:( |
| 18:42 |
Krock |
downloading 1 GiB at is no problem but uploading 2 MiB to dropbox or any FTP server is |
| 18:42 |
Krock |
should consider switching the ISP if this isn't geographically limited |
| 18:43 |
VanessaE |
damn, and here I thought 70 Mbps could feel slow at times |
| 18:43 |
Krock |
xD |
| 18:43 |
Krock |
strong enough to run some more MT servers |
| 18:45 |
VanessaE |
that's my home connection. my server instances have 250 Mbps under them :) |
| 18:46 |
VanessaE |
(really, I just got lucky to find such a good server at such a cheap price :) ) |
| 18:48 |
Krock |
price and speed is not the only thing that counts. If there's also some support available for the worst case that's great |
| 18:48 |
VanessaE |
OVH support is decent |
| 18:48 |
VanessaE |
at least, they're responsive |
| 18:49 |
Krock |
YEAH MAN |
| 18:49 |
Krock |
fixed the damage evading |
| 18:51 |
Krock |
> they said sneak ladders and damage won't fit both into one |
| 18:55 |
Shara |
Krock: You have sneak ladders but no fall damage avoidance? |
| 18:55 |
Krock |
Shara, 2-row sneak ladders for now, yes |
| 18:55 |
VanessaE |
those are the only kind that make any sense imho |
| 18:55 |
Krock |
trying to add back the 1-row sneak ladder but it's no longer possible to avoid damage |
| 18:56 |
Shara |
no damage is good |
| 18:56 |
Shara |
or, no avoiding damage, rather :P |
| 19:12 |
Fixer |
wish me lack to update windows xp to service pack 2 |
| 19:13 |
red-001 |
you are still using xp? |
| 19:13 |
Fixer |
not me |
| 19:13 |
Fixer |
helping other guy that has winxp sp1 |
| 19:13 |
benrob0329 |
Why??? |
| 19:13 |
Fixer |
OFFICE |
| 19:14 |
Jordach |
>office XP |
| 19:14 |
* Jordach |
is triggered |
| 19:14 |
tenplus1 |
lol |
| 19:14 |
Jordach |
i hate it |
| 19:14 |
Jordach |
that goddamn box |
| 19:14 |
Fixer |
no, thats office PC, it will still work nicely on sp1 if not that shitty web mail that refuses to work on firefox 11 |
| 19:14 |
Krock |
just get the SP3 binary from M$ and smash it on the PC |
| 19:14 |
Jordach |
that is meant for art |
| 19:14 |
Jordach |
everyone just dragged graphical items outside of it |
| 19:14 |
tenplus1 |
WinXP SP3 performance edition is available 120mb |
| 19:15 |
Krock |
FF 50.1 works fine with SP3 :/ |
| 19:15 |
tenplus1 |
the new ff wont work on anything below vista |
| 19:15 |
Fixer |
the reason I'm updating is web mail problem, some shitty hipsters did it such way that it won't run on firefox 11 for some reason, it is not that old |
| 19:15 |
Krock |
new FF? |
| 19:15 |
tenplus1 |
firefox |
| 19:15 |
Fixer |
ff 11 is last supported for service pack 1 |
| 19:16 |
Krock |
no, I meant what's new? |
| 19:16 |
Fixer |
so i'm updating to service pack 3 to install newer firefox |
| 19:16 |
benrob0329 |
or you could use Linux |
| 19:16 |
tenplus1 |
+1000000 |
| 19:16 |
Fixer |
dude, thats office pc |
| 19:17 |
Krock |
or try the luck with ReactOS. It already supports FF 3.6 and maybe higher :P |
| 19:17 |
tenplus1 |
boot from flash d rive :D |
| 19:17 |
Fixer |
it has thunderbird, but that person don't know how to use it much |
| 19:17 |
Fixer |
service pack 1 is really old edition |
| 19:17 |
Krock |
tenplus1, no. not that. Either from an external SSD or external hard drive. Flash is just too slow |
| 19:17 |
Krock |
lol thunderbird is somewhat easy to set up and use o.o |
| 19:17 |
tenplus1 |
no way... I ahve a usb 3 flash drive booting into a live xubuntu session and it's fast... |
| 19:18 |
benrob0329 |
Do you really think that a 17 year old OS is a good idea for an office computer? |
| 19:18 |
Fixer |
Krock: that person is very old for thunderbird |
| 19:18 |
Krock |
oh |
| 19:19 |
Fixer |
pretty good PC, 13 years old, 2.5ghz, 7XX mb ram |
| 19:19 |
Fixer |
good for office |
| 19:19 |
tenplus1 |
Lubuntu in that case ;D |
| 19:19 |
red-001 |
windows from usb |
| 19:20 |
Krock |
tenplus1, the difference was much higher with USB 2.0. If you've got a good 3.0 flash drive, then it will be surely fast |
| 19:20 |
Krock |
windows from floppies! <rebellic mode> |
| 19:20 |
Fixer |
had this |
| 19:20 |
Fixer |
or not |
| 19:20 |
Fixer |
wait |
| 19:20 |
tenplus1 |
haah, I remember installing win95 from 21 floppies |
| 19:20 |
Fixer |
that 20mb hdd already had win 3.11 |
| 19:20 |
Fixer |
floppy had msdos boot |
| 19:21 |
red-001 |
or if you want to save the cost of a usb, use a cd |
| 19:21 |
Fixer |
i wonder what firefox 11 is not supporting... |
| 19:21 |
Krock |
HTML5 most likely |
| 19:22 |
Fixer |
released just 5 years ago, wth |
| 19:22 |
Fixer |
it is pretty much new |
| 19:22 |
Fixer |
fucking hipsters |
| 19:22 |
tenplus1 |
lolol |
| 19:23 |
Fixer |
service pack install is insanely long |
| 19:23 |
Fixer |
i've also made partition image before doing it ._. |
| 19:23 |
Krock |
about 300 MiB, no? |
| 19:23 |
Fixer |
yes |
| 19:23 |
Fixer |
300 mb |
| 19:24 |
Fixer |
then another 300 for sp3 |
| 19:24 |
Krock |
what? you could just upgrade directly |
| 19:24 |
tenplus1 |
https://pirateproxy.cc/torrent/5965728/Windows_XP_Pro_Performance_Edition_SP3_November_2010 |
| 19:24 |
tenplus1 |
if you have a legit key then that will help :) |
| 19:25 |
Fixer |
Krock: you can't i think, i've read it requires sp2 first, then sp3 |
| 19:25 |
Krock |
WPAkill ;) |
| 19:25 |
Krock |
Fixer, 1 moment |
| 19:26 |
Fixer |
Krock: too late, it is in the middle of installing sp2 |
| 19:26 |
Fixer |
and i think it has wpakill :trollface: |
| 19:26 |
Fixer |
in Ukraine literally everything is pirated, exception is accounting/taxation software/etc |
| 19:27 |
Krock |
harr harr. |
| 19:27 |
Fixer |
since PC is not OEM most of the time |
| 19:27 |
Fixer |
at least in many places |
| 19:27 |
Fixer |
it is just assembled and you or seller can install win on it |
| 19:27 |
Fixer |
pirated in 99.9999% cases ofc |
| 19:28 |
Fixer |
and honestly it works good |
| 19:28 |
Fixer |
no UPDATE NOW bullshit |
| 19:28 |
Fixer |
it runs 10-15 years before something breaks |
| 19:28 |
Fixer |
like that webmail thing |
| 19:28 |
Fixer |
then you upgrade the service pack, while hipsters cry loud |
| 19:29 |
tenplus1 |
use the link I posted, has WinXP updated to sp3 with driver packs installed for many things |
| 19:29 |
Fixer |
tenplus1: nah, i have newer one, I don't want to install software all over again |
| 19:30 |
Fixer |
my plan is sp2-sp3-wpakill-firefox, DONE |
| 19:32 |
Fixer |
Krock: harr, newer cracks for newer windowses are even more amazing, activates _everything_ windows, office, etc, etc, has updates, on the other hand windows 10 is kinda shitty and new offices are not needed for most of people, there are some cool features, yes, but most wants just spreadshit and type a document |
| 19:32 |
benrob0329 |
-linux |
| 19:33 |
Fixer |
they have a working win98se pc that is probably older than octacian |
| 19:33 |
Fixer |
and it works |
| 19:33 |
TommyTreasure |
such a shame that most business software companies are anti-linux |
| 19:33 |
octacian |
Definitely older than me :rotfl: |
| 19:33 |
Fixer |
/hipstors cry |
| 19:34 |
benrob0329 |
Join us, join the Linux Movement |
| 19:34 |
tenplus1 |
WinXP was my last windows os... switched to linux shortly after |
| 19:34 |
Fixer |
TommyTreasure: actually it is better with time, including accounting software, also, move to the web (tm) will be good for linux |
| 19:35 |
benrob0329 |
Moving to crosd platform libraries woulf be better |
| 19:35 |
Krock |
Fixer, at least you don't have to cry. Fixed the weird stair sneak behaviour and the fall damage evading part ;) |
| 19:35 |
Krock |
benrob0329, ur goood very spelin |
| 19:35 |
Fixer |
Krock: minetest user since early 2011, i've seen much worse things... |
| 19:35 |
benrob0329 |
Yes, I uz gud |
| 19:36 |
benrob0329 |
Phone keyboards don't help |
| 19:37 |
Fixer |
benrob0329: you can have office 365 on linux too iirc |
| 19:37 |
TommyTreasure |
the court system in my area of the US, almost demands those doing legal work use specific versions of windows based applications |
| 19:37 |
Fixer |
or whatever |
| 19:37 |
Fixer |
os becames irrelevant |
| 19:37 |
octacian |
I used Windows 7 until I got a broken registry, messing with that for weeks is like, no way. |
| 19:37 |
Fixer |
octacian: there is an option to go back to previous version |
| 19:37 |
Fixer |
of registry |
| 19:37 |
Fixer |
last working configuration |
| 19:37 |
Fixer |
that is that |
| 19:38 |
benrob0329 |
Fixer: what does 365 do? |
| 19:38 |
tenplus1 |
Office 365? |
| 19:38 |
rubenwardy |
libreoffice is pretty good |
| 19:38 |
Fixer |
benrob0329: web version of microsoft office %) |
| 19:38 |
rubenwardy |
and google drive |
| 19:38 |
benrob0329 |
Bleahh |
| 19:38 |
Fixer |
imho linux has most of stuff needed for avg folks |
| 19:38 |
benrob0329 |
Gimme Open/Libre office |
| 19:38 |
Krock |
but M$ office and libreoffice have some compability problems |
| 19:39 |
tenplus1 |
I have my mom's laptop on xubuntu and she loves it... windows confuses the crap outta her |
| 19:39 |
benrob0329 |
Heck, gimme markdown and nano |
| 19:39 |
rubenwardy |
docx has compatability |
| 19:39 |
Fixer |
it is much better than I remember it 13 years ago or so |
| 19:39 |
octacian |
Fixer: the previous version of registry was also broken |
| 19:39 |
octacian |
Literally everything was broken |
| 19:39 |
Fixer |
one problem is f------------ing gnome and kde |
| 19:39 |
Fixer |
octacian: kek |
| 19:39 |
Krock |
unity! |
| 19:39 |
benrob0329 |
Hey, I like gnome |
| 19:39 |
rubenwardy |
Like, literally transfering doc files between word version or different computers can cause problems |
| 19:39 |
tenplus1 |
*cough* mate, xfce, lxde |
| 19:39 |
benrob0329 |
Unity is dead |
| 19:39 |
octacian |
..so I switched to Ubuntu and the only other time I've used Windows passed that in Win10 on VM for MS Access before Wine was updated to support Office 365 |
| 19:39 |
Fixer |
tenplus1: entire kde4/gnome3 debucle was BAD |
| 19:39 |
octacian |
*is |
| 19:40 |
tenplus1 |
thankfully LxQt is almost done, uses Qt which is fast as hell |
| 19:40 |
benrob0329 |
I like my keyboard shortcuts and system integration |
| 19:40 |
Fixer |
tenplus1: xfce or lxqt are good, yep |
| 19:40 |
rubenwardy |
xfce is awesome |
| 19:40 |
Fixer |
i like xfce |
| 19:41 |
Fixer |
development even slower than for minetest |
| 19:41 |
rubenwardy |
The only experience of GNOME I've had is CentOS, that shit was painful |
| 19:41 |
tenplus1 |
Xubuntu uses Xfce which is simple, provides a good and simple desktop with plugins |
| 19:41 |
VanessaE |
xfce or bust :) |
| 19:42 |
benrob0329 |
dynamic workspaces and search, or bust |
| 19:42 |
rubenwardy |
Default xfce is ugly, much better with a theme http://pasteboard.co/1xaO2CNPO.png |
| 19:42 |
rubenwardy |
benrob0329: search? |
| 19:43 |
tenplus1 |
gnome-look.org has xfce themes and many of them |
| 19:43 |
benrob0329 |
Yes, like krunner or Gnome shell |
| 19:43 |
tenplus1 |
and deviantart.com has a few peeps working on amazing themeing |
| 19:43 |
benrob0329 |
Ark or Numix ftw |
| 19:43 |
rubenwardy |
I have Albert on my system |
| 19:43 |
rubenwardy |
nice and minimal |
| 19:43 |
tenplus1 |
numix is great, a few small issues tho |
| 19:44 |
VanessaE |
I'd take a screenshot, but I'm one of those heretics who tends to maximize all her windows (except IRC and terminals) :) |
| 19:44 |
benrob0329 |
I like to maximise my apps and spread them across workspaces |
| 19:45 |
rubenwardy |
same |
| 19:45 |
VanessaE |
I have multiple monitors. the hell with workspaces :) |
| 19:45 |
rubenwardy |
same |
| 19:45 |
benrob0329 |
hard to do that on a laptop |
| 19:45 |
VanessaE |
true, but xfce has you covered in that respect |
| 19:45 |
rubenwardy |
I use a laptop with multiple monitors |
| 19:45 |
VanessaE |
(I just don't care for the feature) |
| 19:46 |
benrob0329 |
and I could hook my desktop up to my tv, but my tv is crap |
| 19:46 |
rubenwardy |
both at home and uni labs, not not at coffee shops |
| 19:46 |
rubenwardy |
Numix is ok, prefer adapta though |
| 19:47 |
rubenwardy |
I've never been able to get three finger swipe working on Linux :( (to switch workspaces, or show all windows) |
| 19:48 |
benrob0329 |
Ctrl Alt up/down |
| 19:48 |
benrob0329 |
Or left/right depending on your de |
| 19:49 |
rubenwardy |
yeah, I know, but not as quick as a swipe |
| 19:49 |
benrob0329 |
I have one hand on the keyboard anyways |
| 19:50 |
tenplus1 |
http://img.ourl.ca/41%20PM.png <-- Xubuntu linux running vbox in seamless mode with a fully working Windows10 at bottom |
| 19:50 |
rubenwardy |
nice |
| 19:50 |
benrob0329 |
Wait...what?? |
| 19:50 |
rubenwardy |
what's the performance like? |
| 19:50 |
Krock |
It's a hybrid!! |
| 19:50 |
rubenwardy |
I used to do it the other way around |
| 19:51 |
benrob0329 |
he's a witch! |
| 19:51 |
Krock |
burn the witch! |
| 19:51 |
benrob0329 |
Burn him at the stake! |
| 19:51 |
Krock |
bring wood and fire |
| 19:51 |
tenplus1 |
surprisingly good... yeah... it's a native linux running virtualbox seamless mode with win10 taskbar at bottom, runs all windows software and linux so long as you have a few good cores on your cpu |
| 19:51 |
tenplus1 |
my m8 uses it for itunes and a few games :D |
| 19:52 |
benrob0329 |
Your babble wont save you this time" |
| 19:52 |
benrob0329 |
*! |
| 19:52 |
tenplus1 |
ehehehe |
| 19:53 |
benrob0329 |
The Jedi may have space magic, but I have Linux! |
| 19:54 |
TommyTreasure |
may the schwartz be with you |
| 19:55 |
Fixer |
sp2 installed :} |
| 19:56 |
Fixer |
have not seen that activation nug yet |
| 19:56 |
Fixer |
or nag |
| 20:01 |
Fixer |
Krock: i've missed the part about damage evasion, what was about it? |
| 20:03 |
* Fixer |
scrolls back |
| 20:05 |
Fixer |
sofar: very weak poles to me |
| 20:07 |
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| 20:10 |
Fixer |
VanessaE: so lazy, you can migrate it back to sqlite and use unexplore script that will get you down to <1GB of size for sure |
| 20:10 |
VanessaE |
it already is sqlite |
| 20:11 |
VanessaE |
I migrated off of leveldb because those kind of maps are tricky to back-up properly (particularly if you need to share the backup) |
| 20:11 |
Fixer |
VanessaE: now install python, make a backup and do on it https://github.com/AndrejIT/map_unexplore |
| 20:12 |
Fixer |
however |
| 20:12 |
Fixer |
i'm not sure if it works with new map format :( |
| 20:12 |
VanessaE |
not gonna happen. |
| 20:12 |
VanessaE |
something changed a while back with how the map seed is interpreted |
| 20:12 |
tenplus1 |
I have remap.py which removes all areas apart from those containing a protector :) works well |
| 20:12 |
VanessaE |
all those deleted blocks will be recreated wrongly. |
| 20:13 |
tenplus1 |
? map changes ? |
| 20:13 |
Fixer |
VanessaE: it is not about seed, it just looks mapblocks for certain man placed blocks and removes everything else |
| 20:13 |
VanessaE |
the VE-S map is old enough that it'll break |
| 20:13 |
Fixer |
very good tool |
| 20:13 |
VanessaE |
Fixer: yes you delete a block and the engine re-creates it next time someone goes there |
| 20:13 |
Fixer |
VanessaE: yes |
| 20:13 |
VanessaE |
and it re-creates it wrongly because something is different about the way the seed is interpreted. |
| 20:14 |
Fixer |
VanessaE: yes, mapgen changed since then, it is expected |
| 20:14 |
VanessaE |
it's mgv6 |
| 20:14 |
tenplus1 |
why u break backwards compatibility... why u do 'dis? |
| 20:14 |
VanessaE |
it's NOT expected. |
| 20:14 |
Shara |
Regardless of whether expected... it's not good |
| 20:15 |
Shara |
Stuff like that looks terrible in game, and is very easy to notice |
| 20:15 |
Fixer |
VanessaE: v6 has not changed much o_O |
| 20:15 |
Fixer |
i meant v7 |
| 20:16 |
Shara |
Hi WhoAreYou :) |
| 20:16 |
VanessaE |
Fixer: it's changed enough that I can't safely "unexplore" or even "/deleteblocks" on that world. |
| 20:16 |
WhoAreYou |
Hello Shara. :) |
| 20:16 |
VanessaE |
and I know for a fact, 100% sure, that the seed has never been changed on that world. |
| 20:26 |
tenplus1 |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVn01ONkfI0 |
| 20:26 |
sofar |
Fixer: no, those poles are really strong, but the land is entirely waterlogged and the wind just pushed them over (they're more than 2m into the ground!) |
| 20:27 |
VanessaE |
nore, regarding the memory leak, I just spotted something in my server stats of significance: as CPU usage increases, the rate of the leak accelerates. https://daconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/stats-daily.html look at 08:40-ish, notice how the CPU usage dropped and the rate of the leak leveled off considerably at the same time. this is when cheapie shut off an abusive mesecons contraption that uses nodebreakers, deployers, a few dozen |
| 20:27 |
VanessaE |
tubes and chests for sorting, and a ~2.5 cycles/second clock to run it. |
| 20:31 |
Fixer |
sp3 installed |
| 20:33 |
* Megaf |
comes close to Shara |
| 20:33 |
* Megaf |
purrs |
| 20:34 |
Shara |
Hi roary one |
| 20:34 |
Megaf |
WhoAreYou, This is what you reminds me of every single time I read your nick. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdLIerfXuZ4 |
| 20:35 |
sofar |
is there no way from C++ to inspect lua context memory usage? |
| 20:35 |
VanessaE |
sofar: no. not as far as I know |
| 20:35 |
WhoAreYou |
Megaf: lol. :) |
| 20:35 |
sofar |
that should really be part of the debug panel |
| 20:35 |
VanessaE |
the best one can do, and this is insane really, is make every suspect table global, then get a count of the number of elements in the table and try to multiply that by the average length of a string therein |
| 20:36 |
VanessaE |
(or multiply by 40 if the table only holds numerics) |
| 20:36 |
tenplus1 |
nite folks |
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| 20:36 |
VanessaE |
then you can at least print the table length with worldedit, e.g. /lua print(#foo) |
| 20:37 |
VanessaE |
sofar: wait. debug panel? |
| 20:37 |
VanessaE |
did I miss a feature somewhere? |
| 20:37 |
sofar |
f6 |
| 20:37 |
VanessaE |
oh that |
| 20:38 |
VanessaE |
if it could break the usage down by mod and maybe filename (of the lua bit that allocated the space), it would be useful |
| 20:38 |
VanessaE |
(anything more fine than that would just be too much info to put into f6) |
| 20:38 |
VanessaE |
I would honestly like to see something added to the profiler for this |
| 20:39 |
VanessaE |
(as in `/profiler dump` and friends) |
| 20:40 |
sofar |
collectgarbage("count") frmo lua |
| 20:40 |
VanessaE |
nope. |
| 20:40 |
VanessaE |
that doesn't tell anything useful |
| 20:40 |
VanessaE |
all that does is tell how much would be erased by the GC, and that's been only ~90MB or so at a time |
| 20:41 |
VanessaE |
I'd like to see something like, mod:foo { table bar = 123 MB, local table baz in file meh.lua = 456 MB , ... } |
| 20:42 |
VanessaE |
(or even just the number of entries in the table would be enough) |
| 20:43 |
VanessaE |
I've had this memory leak on my servers for years, it's just that in the last few days it's gotten really bad |
| 20:45 |
VanessaE |
the only way I could possibly find it at this point is a sort of server-mods-level bisect, and that would take weeks to complete. |
| 20:46 |
VanessaE |
(and LOTS of time spent without mods critical to the feel of the server) |
| 20:47 |
nore |
VanessaE: try to write a VM-intensive mod to see if that leads to leaks? |
| 20:47 |
VanessaE |
I wouldn't know how |
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VanessaE |
I've never messed with LVM. |
| 20:47 |
sofar |
replace on_generated() with |
| 20:48 |
VanessaE |
sofar: won't help. |
| 20:48 |
sofar |
for i = 1,1000 do on_generated() end |
| 20:48 |
VanessaE |
there's so much map already generated that that will almost never be executed |
| 20:48 |
VanessaE |
or did you mean on a new map in sp? |
| 20:48 |
sofar |
if vmanips are leaking |
| 20:49 |
sofar |
then you can trivially show that by doing a billion vmanips on the same data |
| 20:49 |
sofar |
so yes, insert |
| 20:49 |
sofar |
for i = 1, 1000 do |
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sofar |
and end |
| 20:49 |
sofar |
around the code inside on_generated() |
| 20:49 |
sofar |
my bet is that it isn't the problem, though |
| 20:50 |
sofar |
but, what do I know? |
| 20:50 |
VanessaE |
more than me :) |
| 20:50 |
VanessaE |
that said, I think technic and mesecons still use a vmanip call to force-load blocks |
| 20:52 |
VanessaE |
yep, it does |
| 20:53 |
VanessaE |
(mesecons/mesecons/util.lua 324-337) |
| 20:54 |
sofar |
that should really be an API |
| 20:55 |
VanessaE |
technic uses a combination of VMs (technic/technic/helpers.lua 49-55) and minetest.forceload* (many places) |
| 20:55 |
sofar |
including one that force sends a block to a client, imho |
| 20:55 |
sofar |
so teleports can be safe |
| 20:56 |
nore |
^ hehe yeah that one would be very needed |
| 20:56 |
VanessaE |
indeed. |
| 21:00 |
sofar |
minetest.send_blocks(player, pos) ? |
| 21:00 |
VanessaE |
sounds fair |
| 21:01 |
VanessaE |
or send_block_updates() mayhbe |
| 21:01 |
VanessaE |
-h |
| 21:01 |
VanessaE |
better to send only the changes if possible |
| 21:01 |
sofar |
you'd want to determine *which* blocks to send |
| 21:01 |
sofar |
not just all blocks that are updated |
| 21:02 |
VanessaE |
fair enough |
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sofar |
minetest.send_block_updates(player, pos) |
| 21:02 |
sofar |
then |
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sofar |
#5538 |
| 21:14 |
VanessaE |
hm. for i = 1, 10000 do pos = [three random coords from -31k to +31k)] minetest.get_voxel_manip(pos, pos) end |
| 21:14 |
VanessaE |
2.5G viortual, 985MB resident. |
| 21:14 |
VanessaE |
-o |
| 21:16 |
VanessaE |
not significant. that world uses a similar amount without that mod activated. |
| 21:16 |
VanessaE |
(it's my dreambuilder test map) |
| 21:18 |
nore |
VanessaE: try to call that only for generated blocks |
| 21:18 |
VanessaE |
how would that be relevant? |
| 21:19 |
nore |
I'm not sure the VM emerges the map if the area is not loaded) |
| 21:19 |
VanessaE |
ah. |
| 21:35 |
VanessaE |
well I can't make it blow up in sp. |
| 21:35 |
VanessaE |
so either it isn't broken or idk what I'm doing (both are probable) |
| 21:35 |
Jordach |
Minetest has support for project: shroedinger's bug |
| 21:35 |
VanessaE |
this should have worked, yes?http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/24336503/ |
| 21:36 |
* VanessaE |
inserts a space into the above line as appropriate. |
| 22:13 |
VanessaE |
meanwhile... I just be wrong here, but didn't pipeworks have an object that could merely deliver a punch (rather than digging as a nodebreaker does)? |
| 22:13 |
VanessaE |
must* |
| 22:17 |
nore |
VanessaE: did you try putting a stick in a nodebreaker maybe? |
| 22:17 |
* nore |
doesn't remember |
| 22:17 |
VanessaE |
yep, it just breaks the node. |
| 22:18 |
nore |
ah no this doesn't work indeed |
| 22:18 |
VanessaE |
(as does making it wield a hammer() |
| 22:20 |
VanessaE |
I could swear there used to be a way to make a machine merely throw a punch |
| 22:20 |
VanessaE |
but if not, good. :) |
| 22:20 |
nore |
why good? |
| 22:21 |
VanessaE |
because I'm coding that fix-tube-with-hammer idea |
| 22:21 |
VanessaE |
and I wanted to prevent automated repaiurs. |
| 22:21 |
VanessaE |
-u |
| 22:21 |
nore |
uh |
| 22:22 |
nore |
I would prefer explicit disabling of automated repairs |
| 22:22 |
nore |
and a node to punch |
| 22:23 |
VanessaE |
eh? |
| 22:23 |
nore |
well, a puncher |
| 22:23 |
nore |
like the nodebreaker |
| 22:23 |
nore |
but it would be configured so that it can't repair automatically |
| 22:23 |
nore |
(easy: in the repair code, don't allow fake players to repair) |
| 22:23 |
nore |
BUT |
| 22:24 |
VanessaE |
that's precisely what I indended :) |
| 22:24 |
nore |
it will be possible to do automated repairs anyway |
| 22:24 |
VanessaE |
how so? |
| 22:24 |
nore |
node detector + node breaker + deployer and bob's your uncle |
| 22:24 |
VanessaE |
oh that |
| 22:24 |
VanessaE |
well.. maybe I'll use a can_dig ;) |
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Fixer |
kek |
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