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| 01:08 |
Mantar |
yeah, the link is viewable just fine |
| 01:09 |
Mantar |
though it'll be gone later when you click it in the irc.minetest.net logs, as discord deletes that stuff after a while |
| 01:11 |
MTDiscord |
<greenxenith> Image links shouldnt break 🤔 |
| 01:12 |
MTDiscord |
<greenxenith> Yeah, I can still access images from discord on the irc logs from 4 years ago |
| 01:14 |
rubenwardy |
I think they're referring to https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/discord-will-switch-to-temporary-file-links-to-block-malware-delivery/ |
| 01:14 |
Mantar |
:iunno alls I know is I've had discord image links die on me |
| 01:14 |
rubenwardy |
maybe that's file only |
| 01:14 |
Mantar |
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ |
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| 03:47 |
MTDiscord |
<josiah_wi> Part of the glTF work being done is to turn on exceptions in Irrlicht, so hopefully we can do that. |
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| 08:29 |
sfan5 |
@paradust yes, you can turn them on |
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| 10:01 |
MTDiscord |
<grorp> sfan5: thank you for being sane (re https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/14311#issuecomment-1914330758) |
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zarac |
o/ |
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| 10:54 |
zarac |
I'm trying to run mods 'animalia' together with '3d_armor'. Server fails to start due to animalia referencing global variable 'armor' (when 3d_armor mod exists) but gets null-pointer. I tried moving up load_mod_3d_armor before load_mod_animalia, but it didn't help. Any ideas? What determines module load order? |
| 10:55 |
zarac |
I can see that 'armor' is indeed globally defined in '3d_armor'. |
| 10:57 |
zarac |
Nice to see some recognizable names here.. thanks for great mods rubenwardy, fluxionary, Sokomine. :) |
| 11:43 |
zarac |
ok. so load order is undefined, but dependency specification should be sufficient ( https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/8933 ). |
| 11:43 |
zarac |
Seems 3d_armor is missing from `optional_depends` in `animalia/mod.conf` |
| 11:44 |
zarac |
Is this ElCeejo here sometimes? (dev of animalia) |
| 11:45 |
zarac |
(server started after adding 3d_armor to optional_depends) |
| 11:57 |
zarac |
.. i wrote him on forums. (if anyone cares) : ) |
| 11:58 |
MTDiscord |
<jordan4ibanez> Hello zarac you might be looking for the regular #minetest-irc channel |
| 11:58 |
zarac |
is that for mod development? |
| 11:58 |
zarac |
i assumed this was |
| 11:59 |
MTDiscord |
<jordan4ibanez> Yes, this is for engine development |
| 11:59 |
zarac |
alrighty. Thanks and excuse me ; ) |
| 11:59 |
MTDiscord |
<jordan4ibanez> You're very welcome |
| 11:59 |
zarac |
i see the title, now =P |
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| 14:05 |
MTDiscord |
<grorp> FOSDEM is this weekend, right? |
| 14:11 |
MTDiscord |
<grorp> (I know it's February 3 and 4, I just need someone to confirm that it's actually this weekend. Don't ask me why...) (Also, I should have asked in #minetest instead.) |
| 14:14 |
Soni |
how do you detect client type? |
| 14:18 |
[MTMatrix] |
<Zughy> grorp: yes |
| 14:24 |
Soni |
we would like minetest to have a feature where it can enforce client type/client features like custom rendering (portals, bloom, other fancy effects), fedilinks support, etc which are otherwise not supported by the base minetest client |
| 14:38 |
MTDiscord |
<mistere_123> Soni, then you fork and distribute your own client, with those shaders enabled by default (bloom) and with custom features. Then hopefully you PR the portals thing back upstream |
| 14:40 |
Soni |
we want the client to send feature flags on connect and the server to enforce them |
| 14:40 |
Soni |
(i.e. disconnect clients without them) |
| 14:42 |
MTDiscord |
<mistere_123> That's definately a feature you will have to develop and contribute |
| 14:43 |
MTDiscord |
<herowl> I mean, you can check the protocol version. |
| 14:44 |
MTDiscord |
<mistere_123> Also note that enabling bloom isn't the most obvious process, so you will be disconnecting most players unless you provide a button to automatically set the suggested settings |
| 14:46 |
MTDiscord |
<warr1024> You can check protocol version, but all future versions are reserved by the official client for future official versions, so if you use a new one for some other meaning, you'll no longer be compatible. |
| 14:49 |
sfan5 |
@grorp yes |
| 15:33 |
Soni |
exactly why feature flags and namespacing are important |
| 15:34 |
Soni |
does protocol version use semver? |
| 15:39 |
Soni |
you can't implement astral sorcery or portal gun mod in minetest because it requires client changes to do properly, so the obvious solution is to just support third-party clients |
| 15:47 |
MTDiscord |
<warr1024> Protocol version is an int16. Â I suppose it probably follows semver as much as you can with a data type that only supports a "minor" number ("major" would be separate protocols entirely). |
| 16:03 |
Soni |
okay, so no way to shove feature flags into it |
| 16:12 |
MTDiscord |
<paradust> why does astral sorcery require client changes? |
| 16:15 |
MTDiscord |
<warr1024> Feature flags do not exist within the protocol, they're a thing used to communicate between the engine and mods. Â If you want a place to inject custom packets that doesn't conflict with the existing protocol, you can check out "mod channels" that are intended for communication between server-side and client-side mods. |
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| 17:43 |
Soni |
paradust: fancy visual sequences etc? |
| 18:36 |
sfan5 |
someone should bother to open an issue for the "msvc on game join" bug, otherwise it will be forgotten |
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| 18:42 |
sfan5 |
uh, mingw has it too |
| 18:43 |
grorp |
and Sokomine, could you open an issue for https://irc.minetest.net/minetest-dev/2024-01-27#i_6148616 ? |
| 18:43 |
grorp |
(if it doesn't happen with older versions) |
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| 19:20 |
sfan5 |
ok there's no meaningful backtrace, so duplicate of #14140 I guess |
| 19:20 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/14140 -- Crash after exiting game session: MinGW thread_local problem |
| 19:20 |
sfan5 |
only thing that doesn't make sense is that it happens on msvc |
| 19:20 |
sfan5 |
but I don't have a debug build of that available |
| 21:43 |
MTDiscord |
<bla8722> sfan5: "msvc on game join" https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/14324 |
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| 21:55 |
sfan5 |
msvc is probably unhappy with the forward-declaration in serveropcodes.h and clientopcodes.h |
| 21:55 |
sfan5 |
but why? |
| 22:02 |
Soni |
btw since minetest supports wasm, have you ever thought about repackaging the entire thing to always use wasm? |
| 22:03 |
MTDiscord |
<paradust> sfan5: Are you able to read the values of pkt, pkt->getCommand(), opHandle, etc, in the debugger? |
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MTDiscord |
<savilli> sfan5: commented the issue |
| 23:44 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> I'm curious, how did you debug this to determine that this is (likely) the issue? |
| 23:49 |
MTDiscord |
<paradust> what in the world. Microsoft just decided to "alter" the C++ standard arbitarily? |
| 23:54 |
MTDiscord |
<savilli> I looked closely at the assembly code and figured out that when compiling clientopcodes.cpp compiler thought that sizeof(struct ToClientCommandHandler) == 16. But when compiling client.cpp it was 24 for some reason. I thought it was related to forward declaration and tried to reproduce this behavior - https://godbolt.org/z/McMTbo6Tj. Try to remove __multiple_inheritance and see that static_assert fails. |
