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sfan5 |
the indentation in your patch is a bit messed up |
| 11:23 |
sfan5 |
merging #13340, #13316, #13315, #13309 in 8m |
| 11:23 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/13340 -- Return shadow_sky_body_orbit_tilt setting by x2048 |
| 11:23 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/13316 -- Add Malay translation of builtin by mnh48 |
| 11:23 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/13315 -- Safely handle block deletion by Desour |
| 11:23 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/13309 -- Add Indonesian translation of builtin by srifqi |
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| 13:09 |
celeron55 |
https://github.blog/2023-03-23-we-updated-our-rsa-ssh-host-key/ |
| 13:10 |
celeron55 |
kind of interesting |
| 13:30 |
pgimeno |
thanks for the heads-up |
| 13:39 |
celeron55 |
doesn't seem like a good sign for github's longevity as a trusted platform, but we'll see |
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nrz |
we said that 5 years ago when microsoft bought it, and we are always on it |
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MTDiscord |
<ROllerozxa> how is github being proactive with their security if keys get accidentally made public a bad sign for github's longevity as a trusted platform? |
| 14:16 |
celeron55 |
i'm currently expecting github will become irrelevant to active open source projects in about 2030...2035 |
| 14:31 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> can we expect the forum to become irrelevant faster due to low maintenance and terrible performance? |
| 14:32 |
sfan5 |
whats wrong with the performance |
| 14:33 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> it takes forever to load anything, more so when you trying to load more than one page. |
| 14:35 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> at least barely working is better than when it use to 50* code fairly regularly a while back 🤷 |
| 14:35 |
celeron55 |
as long as you're staying on the loaded page at least a few seconds the next will load fast. the rate limit is set to the sweet spot where crawlers don't ruin performance for everyone |
| 14:36 |
celeron55 |
i browse the forum personally too, at least every week. i know how it performs |
| 14:37 |
MTDiscord |
<kimapr> what do you mean forums are super fast |
| 14:39 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> sometimes a single page will load fast, but any time you try to open up multiple tabs to read through all the new posts, it slows way down. also when it has more viewers it slows down |
| 14:39 |
celeron55 |
and, if that was a serious question: i don't think the current performance has a large effect on the forum becoming irrelevant. it can have a small effect, but simply forums becoming more and more outdated as a medium has a bigger effect |
| 14:40 |
rubenwardy |
I've seen quite a few people say that the forums being so slow is why they stopped using them |
| 14:40 |
celeron55 |
at that time the forum was _actually_ slow |
| 14:41 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> concur with ruben |
| 14:41 |
pgimeno |
turns out the cert change in github didn't impact me in any way after all |
| 14:41 |
celeron55 |
besides... free filtering by attention span. what's not to enjoy |
| 14:42 |
celeron55 |
i'm not saying i'm not planning to do anything but i'm saying the moaning is greatly exaggerated at the moment |
| 14:46 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> its not really filtering by attention span, additionally, according to you its greatly exaggerated, but if people are actually stopping using it due to performance, should speak volumes |
| 14:48 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> to elaborate on not filtering by attention span, loading pages, then reading through doesnt fit supposed "staying on the loaded page at least a few seconds the next will load fast" |
| 14:52 |
celeron55 |
what load times are you getting in practice? |
| 14:52 |
celeron55 |
if you now click a navigation link on the forum after a few seconds |
| 14:54 |
celeron55 |
looking at the mariadb load graph it looks like for the entirety of a week about a week ago there looks to have been some sort of crawling happening |
| 14:54 |
celeron55 |
this is the main problem |
| 14:55 |
celeron55 |
with the current set-up, that is. it works fine usually, but any unusual crawling activity gets it down to unreasonably bad performance |
| 14:56 |
celeron55 |
and that is exactly why i need better hardware and that's why i'm planning to get just that |
| 14:56 |
celeron55 |
...now, if only i had infinite time and no life and no other projects |
| 14:57 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> load the forum main page, few seconds. testing worst case of multiple pages, so opening general/feature/mods/games takes 17s with cache busted |
| 14:57 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> curious what the php timeout is set to? |
| 14:59 |
celeron55 |
well, opening 4 tabs at the same time is not fair for this potato of a server |
| 15:04 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> 2023, using more than one tab should be banned (sarcasm) |
| 15:06 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> outside of just catching up, there is the usecase of <insert search engine choice> opening multiple forum pages when looking at forks of a mod/answers on how to do something with minetest |
| 15:12 |
celeron55 |
i mean i really don't care how many tabs you or anyone else opens. it's just that there's a reality to the current situation |
| 15:12 |
celeron55 |
and yes i need to solve it |
| 15:12 |
celeron55 |
it's really just that i still have web admin stuff |
| 15:12 |
celeron55 |
hate* |
| 15:12 |
celeron55 |
lol |
| 15:13 |
Kimapr |
just closed 50 tabs |
| 15:16 |
celeron55 |
and, delegating the handling of these servers with their important data to someone else has always had either a suboptimal or a really bad end result. the first time, after i was hosting punbb and then handed hosting to the someone-else, a few years after it came back to me as phpbb. the next time the data ended up with don't-say-who and that's how he still hosts old versions of the official data |
| 15:17 |
celeron55 |
under .org |
| 15:17 |
celeron55 |
i don't even want to know what happens the next time i hand the forum data to someone |
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| 15:52 |
lhofhansl |
Hey.. Quick reminder for #13314 Quite helpful for tuning the network/queuing settings for large view ranges. |
| 15:52 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/13314 -- Add some instrumentation by lhofhansl |
| 15:53 |
lhofhansl |
Also #13277 . Without it large viewing ranges are fairly useless as the blocks will take forever to sent to the client. |
| 15:53 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/13277 -- Restart map-send cycle if visible blocks are soon to be unloaded. by lhofhansl |
| 15:54 |
lhofhansl |
I had that one on for the past three weeks. |
| 16:25 |
Jon[m]1 |
I was curious if anyone has been utilizing gpt for minetest code, figured to ask you folks |
| 16:25 |
Jon[m]1 |
I asked gpt if it's minetest Lua context aware and had a field day with it |
| 16:26 |
rubenwardy |
modding discussion should go in #minetest but: https://blog.rubenwardy.com/2022/06/22/gpt-3-minetest-modding/ |
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| 17:01 |
nrz |
interesting blog article, that can help modding, but yeah some drawbacks of code quality |
| 17:05 |
nrz |
shit, just got a mail from google play that we are using unauthorized copyrighted content in the app |
| 17:05 |
nrz |
it has been suspended |
| 17:05 |
nrz |
DCMA |
| 17:05 |
rubenwardy |
ffs |
| 17:06 |
rubenwardy |
nrz, staff channel |
| 17:06 |
nrz |
which staff channel ? i think i'm not in it |
| 17:06 |
MTDiscord |
<ROllerozxa> oh dear |
| 17:06 |
nrz |
(i may have miss the info, and my matterbridge is not bound on it) |
| 17:06 |
rubenwardy |
check your PMs |
| 17:07 |
nrz |
on IRC you mean ? |
| 17:07 |
rubenwardy |
yes |
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| 17:07 |
nrz |
grml i will miss it, the bridge is not creating PM data on my discord 😄 |
| 17:07 |
nrz |
on MT discord there is bridge with irc staff channel ? |
| 17:07 |
rubenwardy |
no ofc not |
| 17:08 |
MTDiscord |
<Benrob> You're just going to have to get on IRC the old fashioned way |
| 17:08 |
nrz |
Lindsey Oregon from AppDetext and they represent Mojang |
| 17:08 |
nrz |
... |
| 17:09 |
nrz |
i should gather children, i look how to add staff channel on the bridge when i come back |
| 17:15 |
rubenwardy |
hey, maybe we should discuss how to deal with it internally before revealing partial information publicly and causing unnecessary speculation |
| 17:17 |
sfan5 |
free speculation: we accidentally shipped mineclone in the apk and this caused it |
| 17:17 |
sfan5 |
am i doing this right |
| 17:18 |
rubenwardy |
also, to the community: do not contact appdetex or the mentioned person, you're likely to make things worse |
| 17:19 |
nrz |
This Is not spéculation on my side. I just read you the dcma |
| 17:20 |
nrz |
And this company Is just a patent one |
| 17:21 |
Desour |
sfan5: no, you're not using enough panic. more something like: THIS IS THE END! AI has found us. minetest will cease to exist |
| 17:22 |
nrz |
Haha |
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sfan5 |
can we get approvals on #13330, #13200 |
| 17:56 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/13330 -- Update credits for 5.7.0 by sfan5 |
| 17:56 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/13200 -- Fix missing particlespawner values by velartrill |
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nrz_ |
rubenwardy, i opened a raw IRC client, can you pm me what you wanted to said to me |
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nrz |
sfan5: you have 2 approvals on #13330 (but someone suggested coloring change) |
| 19:03 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/13330 -- Update credits for 5.7.0 by sfan5 |
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Krock |
I'll do the 5.7.0 changelog tomorrow if that's still early enough |
| 21:06 |
sfan5 |
sure |
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