Time Nick Message 10:29 sfan5 the indentation in your patch is a bit messed up 11:23 sfan5 merging #13340, #13316, #13315, #13309 in 8m 11:23 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/13340 -- Return shadow_sky_body_orbit_tilt setting by x2048 11:23 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/13316 -- Add Malay translation of builtin by mnh48 11:23 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/13315 -- Safely handle block deletion by Desour 11:23 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/13309 -- Add Indonesian translation of builtin by srifqi 13:09 celeron55 https://github.blog/2023-03-23-we-updated-our-rsa-ssh-host-key/ 13:10 celeron55 kind of interesting 13:30 pgimeno thanks for the heads-up 13:39 celeron55 doesn't seem like a good sign for github's longevity as a trusted platform, but we'll see 14:03 nrz we said that 5 years ago when microsoft bought it, and we are always on it 14:11 MTDiscord how is github being proactive with their security if keys get accidentally made public a bad sign for github's longevity as a trusted platform? 14:16 celeron55 i'm currently expecting github will become irrelevant to active open source projects in about 2030...2035 14:31 MTDiscord can we expect the forum to become irrelevant faster due to low maintenance and terrible performance? 14:32 sfan5 whats wrong with the performance 14:33 MTDiscord it takes forever to load anything, more so when you trying to load more than one page. 14:35 MTDiscord at least barely working is better than when it use to 50* code fairly regularly a while back 🤷 14:35 celeron55 as long as you're staying on the loaded page at least a few seconds the next will load fast. the rate limit is set to the sweet spot where crawlers don't ruin performance for everyone 14:36 celeron55 i browse the forum personally too, at least every week. i know how it performs 14:37 MTDiscord what do you mean forums are super fast 14:39 MTDiscord sometimes a single page will load fast, but any time you try to open up multiple tabs to read through all the new posts, it slows way down. also when it has more viewers it slows down 14:39 celeron55 and, if that was a serious question: i don't think the current performance has a large effect on the forum becoming irrelevant. it can have a small effect, but simply forums becoming more and more outdated as a medium has a bigger effect 14:40 rubenwardy I've seen quite a few people say that the forums being so slow is why they stopped using them 14:40 celeron55 at that time the forum was _actually_ slow 14:41 MTDiscord concur with ruben 14:41 pgimeno turns out the cert change in github didn't impact me in any way after all 14:41 celeron55 besides... free filtering by attention span. what's not to enjoy 14:42 celeron55 i'm not saying i'm not planning to do anything but i'm saying the moaning is greatly exaggerated at the moment 14:46 MTDiscord its not really filtering by attention span, additionally, according to you its greatly exaggerated, but if people are actually stopping using it due to performance, should speak volumes 14:48 MTDiscord to elaborate on not filtering by attention span, loading pages, then reading through doesnt fit supposed "staying on the loaded page at least a few seconds the next will load fast" 14:52 celeron55 what load times are you getting in practice? 14:52 celeron55 if you now click a navigation link on the forum after a few seconds 14:54 celeron55 looking at the mariadb load graph it looks like for the entirety of a week about a week ago there looks to have been some sort of crawling happening 14:54 celeron55 this is the main problem 14:55 celeron55 with the current set-up, that is. it works fine usually, but any unusual crawling activity gets it down to unreasonably bad performance 14:56 celeron55 and that is exactly why i need better hardware and that's why i'm planning to get just that 14:56 celeron55 ...now, if only i had infinite time and no life and no other projects 14:57 MTDiscord load the forum main page, few seconds. testing worst case of multiple pages, so opening general/feature/mods/games takes 17s with cache busted 14:57 MTDiscord curious what the php timeout is set to? 14:59 celeron55 well, opening 4 tabs at the same time is not fair for this potato of a server 15:04 MTDiscord 2023, using more than one tab should be banned (sarcasm) 15:06 MTDiscord outside of just catching up, there is the usecase of opening multiple forum pages when looking at forks of a mod/answers on how to do something with minetest 15:12 celeron55 i mean i really don't care how many tabs you or anyone else opens. it's just that there's a reality to the current situation 15:12 celeron55 and yes i need to solve it 15:12 celeron55 it's really just that i still have web admin stuff 15:12 celeron55 hate* 15:12 celeron55 lol 15:13 Kimapr just closed 50 tabs 15:16 celeron55 and, delegating the handling of these servers with their important data to someone else has always had either a suboptimal or a really bad end result. the first time, after i was hosting punbb and then handed hosting to the someone-else, a few years after it came back to me as phpbb. the next time the data ended up with don't-say-who and that's how he still hosts old versions of the official data 15:17 celeron55 under .org 15:17 celeron55 i don't even want to know what happens the next time i hand the forum data to someone 15:52 lhofhansl Hey.. Quick reminder for #13314 Quite helpful for tuning the network/queuing settings for large view ranges. 15:52 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/13314 -- Add some instrumentation by lhofhansl 15:53 lhofhansl Also #13277 . Without it large viewing ranges are fairly useless as the blocks will take forever to sent to the client. 15:53 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/13277 -- Restart map-send cycle if visible blocks are soon to be unloaded. by lhofhansl 15:54 lhofhansl I had that one on for the past three weeks. 16:25 Jon[m]1 I was curious if anyone has been utilizing gpt for minetest code, figured to ask you folks 16:25 Jon[m]1 I asked gpt if it's minetest Lua context aware and had a field day with it 16:26 rubenwardy modding discussion should go in #minetest but: https://blog.rubenwardy.com/2022/06/22/gpt-3-minetest-modding/ 17:01 nrz interesting blog article, that can help modding, but yeah some drawbacks of code quality 17:05 nrz shit, just got a mail from google play that we are using unauthorized copyrighted content in the app 17:05 nrz it has been suspended 17:05 nrz DCMA 17:05 rubenwardy ffs 17:06 rubenwardy nrz, staff channel 17:06 nrz which staff channel ? i think i'm not in it 17:06 MTDiscord oh dear 17:06 nrz (i may have miss the info, and my matterbridge is not bound on it) 17:06 rubenwardy check your PMs 17:07 nrz on IRC you mean ? 17:07 rubenwardy yes 17:07 nrz grml i will miss it, the bridge is not creating PM data on my discord 😄 17:07 nrz on MT discord there is bridge with irc staff channel ? 17:07 rubenwardy no ofc not 17:08 MTDiscord You're just going to have to get on IRC the old fashioned way 17:08 nrz Lindsey Oregon from AppDetext and they represent Mojang 17:08 nrz ... 17:09 nrz i should gather children, i look how to add staff channel on the bridge when i come back 17:15 rubenwardy hey, maybe we should discuss how to deal with it internally before revealing partial information publicly and causing unnecessary speculation 17:17 sfan5 free speculation: we accidentally shipped mineclone in the apk and this caused it 17:17 sfan5 am i doing this right 17:18 rubenwardy also, to the community: do not contact appdetex or the mentioned person, you're likely to make things worse 17:19 nrz This Is not spéculation on my side. I just read you the dcma 17:20 nrz And this company Is just a patent one 17:21 Desour sfan5: no, you're not using enough panic. more something like: THIS IS THE END! AI has found us. minetest will cease to exist 17:22 nrz Haha 17:56 sfan5 can we get approvals on #13330, #13200 17:56 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/13330 -- Update credits for 5.7.0 by sfan5 17:56 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/13200 -- Fix missing particlespawner values by velartrill 17:59 nrz_ rubenwardy, i opened a raw IRC client, can you pm me what you wanted to said to me 19:03 nrz sfan5: you have 2 approvals on #13330 (but someone suggested coloring change) 19:03 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/13330 -- Update credits for 5.7.0 by sfan5 21:05 Krock I'll do the 5.7.0 changelog tomorrow if that's still early enough 21:06 sfan5 sure