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02:45 erle x2048 did you test #12262 with anything else than the snow?
02:45 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/12262 -- Avoid rendering invisible faces of simple nodeboxes by x2048
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12:12 rubenwardy Has anyone heard from hecks?
12:13 sfan5 no
12:15 rubenwardy Talked big then *poof*
12:15 rubenwardy Maybe the rendering code scared them that much
12:15 rubenwardy Shame
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12:19 erle rubenwardy sfan5 hecks has repeatedly posted screenshots from some anime-style game. is it on contentdb? if not, where can i try it out?
12:20 sfan5 it's nowhere
12:22 rubenwardy It's unrealised and is proprietary
12:23 sfan5 unreleased*
12:26 rubenwardy Oops yeah
12:26 rubenwardy My games are unrealised, his game is unreleased
12:34 erle and i thought i was a perfectionist
12:35 Zughy[m] "Documentation request / missing / error" is a redundant tag, replaceable either by "Action / change needed" or "@ Documentation". Can I delete that? Labelled issues/PRs show is basically unusued https://github.com/minetest/minetest/labels/Documentation%20request%20%2F%20missing%20%2F%20error
12:36 erle Zughy[m] i think it is relevant if the change needed is only documentation. a lot of stuff gets still approved without it, because it is not deemed necessary. do you have examples?
12:36 MTDiscord <luatic> No, it is not quite replacable
12:37 sfan5 Zughy[m]: this is what I said once too but paramat wanted to keep it
12:38 sfan5 if it's on issues you have "Bug" / "Feature Request" / "Request / Suggestion" + "@ Documentation"
12:38 sfan5 and on PRs "Action / change needed" works (but is less specific)
12:38 MTDiscord <luatic> ^ that's the problem
12:38 sfan5 quite logical to me so I don't know why we have this label
12:39 Zughy[m] erle: last time I checked you need to provide documentation to any PR
12:39 Zughy[m] (that introduces something, like a new API function)
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12:43 Zughy[m] luatic: I don't think that's a problem, if an issue has "@ Documentation", it means there is someone asking to add/edit/remove some lines from the documentation. The other label is redundant
12:50 rubenwardy That label cannot be replaced by @ Documentation
12:51 rubenwardy @ Documentation is for when an issue/PR is primarily about documentation. For example, it's only a change to lua_api
12:52 rubenwardy A PR that adds a Lua API shouldn't be labelled with @ Documentation, but should update the documentation
12:52 rubenwardy I added "Documentation needed" because people kept forgetting to do this. It was later changed by paramat into its current form
12:52 rubenwardy The label could be replaced by "Action/change needed" though
12:54 rubenwardy I'd say delete it and use Action/change needed instead
12:55 Zughy[m] two approvals, going for it
12:56 rubenwardy regarding labels, make sure to read through the roadmap approval label before the meeting: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pulls?q=is%3Apr+is%3Aopen+sort%3Aupdated-desc+label%3A%22Roadmap%3A+Needs+approval%22
12:57 rubenwardy if you've started to review something, it's probably worth saving
12:59 rubenwardy aha
12:59 rubenwardy https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pulls?q=is%3Apr+sort%3Aupdated-desc+label%3A%22Roadmap%3A+Needs+approval%22+reviewed-by%3A%40me+is%3Aopen
12:59 rubenwardy this one lists the PRs you've reviewed
13:00 erle Zughy[m] i might be mistaken, but i am under the impression that when something is changed that was never documented well or at all, few people require documentation changes to approve it. for example the change to autoforward in 5.5 (you can no longer go left or right while autoforwarding) was never documented outside of the issue tracker i think, but the documentation never said anything about the left or right key, only the
13:00 erle back key (which stops autoforward). IMO the whole “if it is not documented, we can change it” should be changed to “if you change something undocumented that is observable to players, either explicitly note in the documentation that it is undefined or document it”.
13:02 rubenwardy also, trivial PR: #12115
13:02 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/12115 -- Default chat clickable weblinks by Froggo8311
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13:21 Zughy[m] nevermind, I can't edit/delete labels, can someone of you do it?
13:23 rubenwardy done
14:44 sfan5 clients that stand around doing nothing seem to constantly generate emerge requests that end up cancelled
14:44 sfan5 the wonders of adding metrics to code
14:46 sfan5 or only if they have interacted before?
14:52 sfan5 standing around underground appears to be the condition
14:57 erle does this apply to a specific game, or generally?
14:57 erle like, ig the emerges are cancelled bc there is already something there
15:04 sfan5 dunno
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21:33 Zughy[m] about the "Maintenance" label that shouldn't be a macrocategory (so "@ Maintenance"): issues like #11667 are really just Maintenance
21:33 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/11667 -- Github CI: Reduce compilation times with ccache
21:33 erle Zughy[m] which component is “maintenance”?
21:33 Zughy[m] or #12226
21:33 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/12226 -- Switch spatial indexing library
21:34 erle Zughy[m] can you tag #11667 with a label that makes clear this is a bogus request?
21:34 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/11667 -- Github CI: Reduce compilation times with ccache
21:34 erle ccache can only be used if you have reliable incremental builds
21:34 Zughy[m] I'll answer you with another question erle: what component are those two?
21:34 erle no idea
21:36 erle the ccache manual even says that it is unreliable https://ccache.dev/manual/latest.html#_the_direct_mode
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