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Wuzzy |
sfan5: so I tested the translation again. so. you're right, weblate is definitely uptodate now (sorry for being annoying). good |
| 00:07 |
Wuzzy |
sfan5: but in the po/de/minetest.po file there are now 2 fuzzy strings |
| 00:07 |
Wuzzy |
did you probably update them on weblate after you made the commit? |
| 00:08 |
Wuzzy |
or do you plan to pull from weblate another time? |
| 00:08 |
Wuzzy |
note the two fuzzy strings are already finished on weblate so german is really 100%, just not the .po file |
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Krock |
on weak graphics, disabling stars does gain a few FPS. Also using bitmap fonts improves speed - due to reduced complexity in drawing |
| 07:38 |
Krock |
the font part however is only relevant when there's text on the screen |
| 07:40 |
Krock |
the stars are always drawn, not just in the night |
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sfan5 |
Wuzzy: I updated themselves myself earlier yesterday and of course will translations be upated from Weblate before release, that's the entire point |
| 09:06 |
sfan5 |
s/themselves/them/ |
| 09:06 |
Wuzzy |
good |
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Calinou |
rubenwardy: try "undersampling = 4" in minetest.conf |
| 12:30 |
Calinou |
this should decrease the GPU load significantly as it will render at a lower resolution |
| 12:30 |
Calinou |
and of course, disable everything you can, even simple stuff such as fog |
| 12:30 |
Calinou |
sfan5: I suppose we could have a minetest.conf setting for stars then |
| 12:30 |
Calinou |
(or always disable them on GLES) |
| 12:31 |
sfan5 |
maybe halving their count would already suffice? not a fan of disabling them entirely |
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| 13:01 |
sfan5 |
merging #9582 |
| 13:01 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/9582 -- Fix hovercolor not working in global tag by pyrollo |
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| 15:02 |
sfan5 |
rubenwardy, Krock: when would you be here to do the release today? |
| 15:02 |
rubenwardy |
yes |
| 15:02 |
rubenwardy |
wait |
| 15:02 |
rubenwardy |
anytime |
| 15:03 |
rubenwardy |
(missed the when) |
| 15:03 |
rubenwardy |
any time that is still today in the UK |
| 15:08 |
Krock |
here as well |
| 15:19 |
sfan5 |
I guess we can do it right now then |
| 15:21 |
Krock |
what shall I do? |
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| 15:23 |
sfan5 |
don't think there's anything right now, I'll import the changes from weblate now |
| 15:30 |
sfan5 |
ok, done |
| 15:32 |
Krock |
so what's left is merging master into stable and tagging it |
| 15:32 |
rubenwardy |
I'm just thinking over the credits - making it fair |
| 15:32 |
Krock |
oh! right |
| 15:32 |
rubenwardy |
and also merging credits |
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| 15:33 |
rubenwardy |
should the credit heuristic be a flat number of commits? I'm looking over the list, and it looks OK |
| 15:33 |
rubenwardy |
there would be no changes for active contributors, and some changes in previous |
| 15:33 |
rubenwardy |
hmm |
| 15:34 |
rubenwardy |
bigger issue is not crediting translators |
| 15:34 |
sfan5 |
game#2633 in this release, yes or no? |
| 15:34 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/2633 -- Weather mod: Tune cloud density variation by paramat |
| 15:35 |
Krock |
I'd prefer to leave this tuning after the PR |
| 15:35 |
rubenwardy |
hmmm |
| 15:35 |
Krock |
s/PR/release/ |
| 15:35 |
rubenwardy |
is the current behaviour broken? |
| 15:35 |
sfan5 |
not broken, no |
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| 15:42 |
sfan5 |
5.3 it is then |
| 15:45 |
sfan5 |
rubenwardy: didn't you say that a flat heuristic resulted in the same people? or is it about ordering? |
| 15:45 |
rubenwardy |
flat results in the same people for active contributors, but different people for previous |
| 15:45 |
sfan5 |
oh |
| 15:45 |
rubenwardy |
for example, BenDeutsch (rendering, sqlite auth, server-side movement checking guy) would be dropped from the list |
| 15:45 |
rubenwardy |
and kaeza and some other people added |
| 15:46 |
sfan5 |
hm |
| 15:46 |
sfan5 |
despire it's problems I prefer the changed lines heuristic |
| 15:46 |
sfan5 |
despite* |
| 15:47 |
rubenwardy |
ok |
| 15:47 |
rubenwardy |
yeah, it's not perfect but on average it's better |
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| 16:27 |
sfan5 |
#9593 is ready then? |
| 16:27 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/9593 -- Update credits for 5.2.0 by rubenwardy |
| 16:27 |
rubenwardy |
yes, although it doesn't credit translators |
| 16:27 |
sfan5 |
unfortunate, we can fix this for 5.3 |
| 16:28 |
rubenwardy |
I can quickly do that, and add it to Active Contributos |
| 16:28 |
rubenwardy |
but I do think they should be in their own section |
| 16:28 |
sfan5 |
agree with that |
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| 16:36 |
rubenwardy |
Do we still support Windows 7, given it's end-of-life? |
| 16:37 |
rubenwardy |
same for W8.1, it's only supported for those who pay for extended support |
| 16:39 |
sfan5 |
I'd say yes |
| 16:40 |
rubenwardy |
there is interest in maintaining support for it I guess |
| 16:40 |
rubenwardy |
Krock: are you still on XP? :D |
| 16:41 |
Krock |
rubenwardy: switched entirely in 0.5.0-dev |
| 16:41 |
rubenwardy |
ok, so you're on Windows Vista now? |
| 16:42 |
Krock |
just build that thing and it'll probably still run on XP |
| 16:42 |
sfan5 |
we didn't yet agree not to ship minimal in release build, did we? |
| 16:42 |
Krock |
that's yet not definitive? |
| 16:42 |
rubenwardy |
we did agree to not ship it |
| 16:42 |
Krock |
#6987 |
| 16:42 |
rubenwardy |
the PR I made still has problems |
| 16:42 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6987 -- Stop shipping Minimal development test in release builds? |
| 16:43 |
Krock |
it's definitive when a PR's merged |
| 16:43 |
sfan5 |
ok but it's not merged so we're still going to ship it |
| 16:43 |
sfan5 |
yea |
| 16:43 |
Krock |
exactly |
| 16:44 |
sfan5 |
ok, windows build are done so I'll push out the release now |
| 16:46 |
rubenwardy |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/2633#issuecomment-609445239 |
| 16:46 |
rubenwardy |
!title |
| 16:46 |
ShadowBot |
Weather mod: Tune cloud density variation by paramat · Pull Request #2633 · minetest/minetest_game · GitHub |
| 16:46 |
rubenwardy |
paramat says that that PR should be in 5.3.0? |
| 16:46 |
rubenwardy |
-2 |
| 16:47 |
rubenwardy |
(MTG 5.2 hasn't been tagged yet) |
| 16:47 |
sfan5 |
too late now |
| 16:47 |
rubenwardy |
ok |
| 16:49 |
Krock |
+1/-1 line in the wiki changelog |
| 16:49 |
Krock |
shall I merge and tag MTG, or is someone already on it? |
| 16:50 |
sfan5 |
just done |
| 16:50 |
rubenwardy |
sfan5 just has |
| 16:50 |
Krock |
great :) |
| 16:50 |
|
Topic for #minetest-dev is now Minetest core development and maintenance. Minetest 5.2.0 released! Chit-chat goes to #minetest. http://irc.minetest.net/minetest-dev/ http://dev.minetest.net/ |
| 16:51 |
rubenwardy |
web#201 |
| 16:51 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest.github.io/issues/201 -- Update website for Minetest 5.2.0 by rubenwardy |
| 16:51 |
sfan5 |
you can merge that |
| 16:51 |
Krock |
the error is just locally, right? |
| 16:51 |
rubenwardy |
yeah, travis builds |
| 16:52 |
Krock |
I meant your gem setup |
| 16:52 |
rubenwardy |
yeah |
| 16:53 |
rubenwardy |
ok, I've tooted, tweeted, twatted, and more |
| 16:53 |
Krock |
quack |
| 16:53 |
rubenwardy |
quacked |
| 16:59 |
rubenwardy |
one thing I haven't done is posted |
| 16:59 |
sfan5 |
hopefully I can convince the forum to let me post a topic |
| 17:00 |
rubenwardy |
I'll leave that to you ? |
| 17:02 |
rubenwardy |
user says "MT 5.2.0 feels more responsive than 5.1.1. Great job contributors!" |
| 17:02 |
sfan5 |
they must've been very quick to test it in the 10 minutes it's been out ;) |
| 17:03 |
rubenwardy |
lol |
| 17:04 |
rubenwardy |
what's the verb for announcing on IRC |
| 17:04 |
rubenwardy |
tooted, tweeted, posted, chatted |
| 17:04 |
Krock |
spreaded |
| 17:05 |
Krock |
you could call it a NOTICE |
| 17:05 |
DS-minetest |
the thing that sfan did in #minetest felt like shouting, with the capital letters |
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rubenwardy |
sfan5: found packaging/rules |
| 17:24 |
sfan5 |
finally managed to put the right content into the post form, now I just need to retry it twen- |
| 17:24 |
sfan5 |
oh |
| 17:24 |
sfan5 |
it worked on the first try |
| 17:34 |
Wuzzy |
yeah whats up with these forums? something is really wrong o_O |
| 17:35 |
Wuzzy |
btw: woohoo 5.2.0 release! congrats ? |
| 17:37 |
Wuzzy |
Arch Linux package maintainer has been alerted. |
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kilbith |
traditionally new release means new core-devs.... |
| 18:29 |
DS-minetest |
Now that we are out of feature freeze, I'd like to remember you of some simple feature PRs, eg. #9423 |
| 18:29 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/9423 -- GUIFormSpecMenu: Add basic element highlighing debug feature by SmallJoker |
| 18:35 |
* DS-minetest |
will also leave this here #9065 dup di dup di du |
| 18:35 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/9065 -- Load media from subfolders by Desour |
| 18:39 |
sfan5 |
I think I'll start with merging the PRs that already have approvals tomorrow |
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| 19:12 |
Wuzzy |
rubenwardy: plz bump max version on content db to 5.2 thx |
| 19:14 |
rubenwardy |
Wuzzy: done |
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| 19:51 |
riceandbeans |
yo, curious what you guys make of this error, I have 16G RAM and 16G swap and 3 terminals open and minetest running and it crashes OOM |
| 19:51 |
riceandbeans |
https://pastebin.com/FqqEZcy6 |
| 19:51 |
rubenwardy |
that's an error with LuaJIT |
| 19:52 |
riceandbeans |
Can you please explain in slightly more detail? |
| 19:52 |
rubenwardy |
I'm typing |
| 19:52 |
riceandbeans |
Are you saying it's not something within Minetest but rather in something else? |
| 19:52 |
riceandbeans |
I'll also caveat that I'm a weirdo and playing ( or trying to since it dies in 5 seconds of gameplay ) on DragonFly BSD |
| 19:52 |
rubenwardy |
to resolve that, you can either: |
| 19:52 |
rubenwardy |
1. Uninstall mods which use a lot of memory, such as moretrees/biomeslib/mapgeny stuff |
| 19:52 |
rubenwardy |
2. Switch to a build that uses a GC64 edition of LuaJIT, where this bug is fixed |
| 19:52 |
rubenwardy |
3. Recompile without LuaJIT, and use PUC Lua instead |
| 19:53 |
riceandbeans |
This is a fresh install, fresh world, no mods at all |
| 19:53 |
rubenwardy |
weird |
| 19:53 |
riceandbeans |
All settings turned down |
| 19:53 |
riceandbeans |
I just installed like 10 minutes ago |
| 19:53 |
rubenwardy |
what minetest version? |
| 19:53 |
riceandbeans |
And like I said, I run a minimal setup on my workstation, Openbox for my WM, a couple terminals, one running top to track wtf is going on, one launching minetest, one SSH'd to a VPS to talk here... |
| 19:54 |
riceandbeans |
eh, one sec |
| 19:54 |
riceandbeans |
5.1.1 |
| 19:54 |
riceandbeans |
That's what's available at this moment for binary package install |
| 19:54 |
riceandbeans |
There may be an update to that in a couple days when the bulk package build from upstream is done |
| 19:55 |
rubenwardy |
the out of memory isn't system memory, it's LuaJIT memeory |
| 19:55 |
riceandbeans |
Or well...it's done, but it's tagged staging at the moment |
| 19:55 |
riceandbeans |
limits says I have unlimited |
| 19:55 |
riceandbeans |
I don't know how to tell LuaJIT to calm down |
| 19:56 |
riceandbeans |
I was trying to show off to my kid and then it blew up on me and core dumped lol |
| 19:56 |
rubenwardy |
does it happen immediate? |
| 19:56 |
riceandbeans |
Nope. |
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riceandbeans |
So, I can navigate the loading screen and go through all the various menus, frobbing whatever knobs freely |
| 19:56 |
riceandbeans |
I can generate a map and load into it |
| 19:56 |
riceandbeans |
If I stand still it seems to be ok for maybe 1-2 minutes |
| 19:57 |
riceandbeans |
If I engage any objects it lasts maybe 3-10 seconds before core dump, same reason every time |
| 20:00 |
riceandbeans |
Hmm, I'll check dports real quick |
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| 20:05 |
rubenwardy |
first bug #9599 |
| 20:05 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/9599 -- English language missing from language menu |
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Wuzzy |
lol |
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| 20:38 |
riceandbeans |
Current dports has 5.1.1 :\ |
| 20:39 |
riceandbeans |
:( also staged has 5.1.1 so I guess there was no update to it |
| 20:39 |
riceandbeans |
Sadness. |
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| 21:08 |
kilbith_ |
hum, did anyone notice this ~100 ms. lag between the actual node placing and the placing sound? |
| 21:08 |
kilbith_ |
this is terrible |
| 21:10 |
sfan5 |
in singleplayer? |
| 21:10 |
kilbith_ |
yes |
| 21:12 |
sfan5 |
sound and node placing (assuming prediction is not disabled) are both produced client-side |
| 21:12 |
sfan5 |
riceandbeans: if it's not too bad for performance, have you considered switching to plain Lua instead? |
| 21:12 |
kilbith_ |
yes but it used to be perfectly in sync |
| 21:16 |
kilbith_ |
well maybe it's my bluetooth headphones idk |
| 21:16 |
sfan5 |
bluetooth is definitely the first place i'd look for added latency |
| 21:16 |
kilbith_ |
especially with the terrible audio managing on Linux |
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riceandbeans |
sfan5: how would one do that? |
| 21:30 |
sfan5 |
compile from source with -DENABLE_LUAJIT=FALSE as cmake flag |
| 21:31 |
riceandbeans |
Eh, let me see what I can do |
| 21:32 |
riceandbeans |
config options mentioned docs and examples |
| 21:32 |
riceandbeans |
maybe it's under minetest and not minetest_game |
| 21:32 |
riceandbeans |
AH, there it is |
| 21:32 |
sfan5 |
minetest_game is just a bunch of lua files and textures, nothing to compile or configure there |
| 21:33 |
riceandbeans |
Ok, reconfigured, going to compile and reinstall, then try again |
| 21:37 |
riceandbeans |
I wonder how intense the dragonfly patches are |
| 21:37 |
riceandbeans |
Well, finished building and reinstalling.... |
| 21:37 |
riceandbeans |
time to test... |
| 21:39 |
riceandbeans |
Ok, so far I played for like 2 minutes and no crashes |
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| 21:48 |
riceandbeans |
So uh, how deep is the world because I dug straight down expecting bedrock and/or fallling out of the world but it's been descending for a long time |
| 21:49 |
sfan5 |
about 30000 nodes |
| 21:51 |
riceandbeans |
How does one fly? I enabled double tap space to turn it on, but what is the actual button to fly? |
| 21:54 |
Wuzzy |
/grantme all |
| 21:54 |
Wuzzy |
then press K |
| 21:55 |
Wuzzy |
you need fly privilege to fly. on singleplayer you can just grant this privilege yourselves with /grantme fly |
| 21:55 |
Wuzzy |
on servers you might not have the fly privilege. its common on creative servers, but not guaranteed |
| 21:57 |
Wuzzy |
riceandbeans: see also: https://wiki.minetest.net/Differences_from_Minecraft |
| 21:57 |
riceandbeans |
I mean this is just screwing around on a local workstation |
| 21:58 |
sfan5 |
or better: /grantme fly |
| 21:58 |
sfan5 |
using /grantme all will also enable creative mode |
| 21:58 |
sfan5 |
and one more thing: #minetest is the preferred channel for user support, this is the development one |
| 22:00 |
riceandbeans |
Well...the good news is it seems to be working. The bad news is I can't get the dports guys to change the default compile option, so I have to actually debug the luajit and make a patch |
| 22:01 |
sfan5 |
there isn't anything to debug really |
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riceandbeans |
So, the next question would be is it the minetest usage of luajit on dragonfly, or is it something broken in luajit itself on dragonfly. |
| 22:02 |
riceandbeans |
I have nothing else I know that uses it to test |
| 22:02 |
sfan5 |
luajit uses the upper 33(?) bits of addresses to store other data, so it can only use memory that is available with an address under 2 GB |
| 22:02 |
sfan5 |
but if the OS can't give it that exact memory it runs out .. even if it has only allocated a couple of MB |
| 22:03 |
sfan5 |
this isn't specific to Minetest, DragonflyBSD or Unix-like systems |
| 22:03 |
sfan5 |
here's an existing issue thread: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2988 |
| 22:13 |
riceandbeans |
That's disheartening. |
| 22:14 |
rubenwardy |
next top priority: #9066 |
| 22:14 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/9066 -- Android: add Android Studio support, completely redone build system and java part by MoNTE48 |
| 22:14 |
sfan5 |
riceandbeans: if you upgrade luajit to 2.1.0-beta(something) you can enable GC64 and get both great Lua performance and no memory usage cap |
| 22:15 |
riceandbeans |
luajit-2.0.5_4 Just-In-Time Compiler for Lua |
| 22:15 |
riceandbeans |
Perhaps 2.1 will come to us soon... |
| 22:16 |
sfan5 |
I doubt your bsd will want to package a beta version |
| 22:16 |
riceandbeans |
Any idea their release schedule? |
| 22:17 |
sfan5 |
quite dead |
| 22:17 |
sfan5 |
2.1.0-beta3 is from 2017, that should say enough |
| 22:17 |
riceandbeans |
Ugh |
| 22:18 |
riceandbeans |
Do I dare ask why there's continued usage of a dead lib? |
| 22:18 |
riceandbeans |
I read about performance in the one bug, but still |
| 22:18 |
rubenwardy |
I mean, Irrlicht is way worse and is required by Minetest |
| 22:18 |
rubenwardy |
Irrlicht is the 3d rendering library, and it's last actual release was 2013 |
| 22:18 |
sfan5 |
lack of alternative, the performance of plain Lua often just doesn't cut it |
| 22:18 |
rubenwardy |
they've had backports since, but they've been working on the next release for 7 years |
| 22:19 |
sfan5 |
(but don't let this discourage you from playing with plain lua, it's fine in many cases) |
| 22:19 |
rubenwardy |
and yeah, LuaJIT is just that much better than Lua. I've never had a OOM, I don't know why it happens so much for many people |
| 22:19 |
rubenwardy |
plain Lua will be fine for most people |
| 22:19 |
riceandbeans |
What about a fork of luajit to accomplish what's needed for the dead project? |
| 22:19 |
sfan5 |
rubenwardy: 1.8.4 is from 2013 |
| 22:19 |
riceandbeans |
Maybe the same for irrlicht? |
| 22:20 |
sfan5 |
but I guess you mean 1.8.1, which is indeed from 2013 |
| 22:20 |
rubenwardy |
Irrlicht 1.8 = Nov 2012 |
| 22:20 |
rubenwardy |
1.8.4 was 2016 |
| 22:21 |
sfan5 |
riceandbeans: we do not have the capacity and time to maintain a fork of a luajit, especially not at the complexity it has |
| 22:21 |
sfan5 |
for Irrlicht: fortunately there are currently no terrible issues that would prevent us from continuing to use the Irrlicht version from 2016 |
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| 22:21 |
riceandbeans |
sfan5: Well, I didn't necessarily mean you specifically, but I can't imagine you're the only consumers of a dead project |
| 22:22 |
sfan5 |
correct |
| 22:22 |
sfan5 |
and in fact some people have had the same idea already: https://github.com/moonjit/moonjit |
| 22:23 |
sfan5 |
rubenwardy: eh yes meant 2016 |
| 22:23 |
riceandbeans |
Ok, so call me crazy, but has anyone ever tried using moonjit instead of luajit for minetest? |
| 22:23 |
sfan5 |
I've heard it works |
| 22:24 |
riceandbeans |
I've never looked at the code I have no idea the complexity within it. |
| 22:26 |
riceandbeans |
Also C++ isn't my strong suite. I know several scripting languages comfortably, Rust, and Go. |
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| 22:55 |
rubenwardy |
5.1.0 bug report: https://quey.org/@moongaia/103947686435316073 |
| 22:56 |
rubenwardy |
I'm asking them to update, disregard |
