Time  Nick          Message
00:07 Wuzzy         sfan5: so I tested the translation again. so. you're right, weblate is definitely uptodate now (sorry for being annoying). good
00:07 Wuzzy         sfan5: but in the po/de/minetest.po file there are now 2 fuzzy strings
00:07 Wuzzy         did you probably update them on weblate after you made the commit?
00:08 Wuzzy         or do you plan to pull from weblate another time?
00:08 Wuzzy         note the two fuzzy strings are already finished on weblate so german is really 100%, just not the .po file
07:37 Krock         on weak graphics, disabling stars does gain a few FPS. Also using bitmap fonts improves speed - due to reduced complexity in drawing
07:38 Krock         the font part however is only relevant when there's text on the screen
07:40 Krock         the stars are always drawn, not just in the night
09:06 sfan5         Wuzzy: I updated themselves myself earlier yesterday and of course will translations be upated from Weblate before release, that's the entire point
09:06 sfan5         s/themselves/them/
09:06 Wuzzy         good
12:29 Calinou       rubenwardy: try "undersampling = 4" in minetest.conf
12:30 Calinou       this should decrease the GPU load significantly as it will render at a lower resolution
12:30 Calinou       and of course, disable everything you can, even simple stuff such as fog
12:30 Calinou       sfan5: I suppose we could have a minetest.conf setting for stars then
12:30 Calinou       (or always disable them on GLES)
12:31 sfan5         maybe halving their count would already suffice? not a fan of disabling them entirely
13:01 sfan5         merging #9582
13:01 ShadowBot     https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/9582 -- Fix hovercolor not working in global tag by pyrollo
15:02 sfan5         rubenwardy, Krock: when would you be here to do the release today?
15:02 rubenwardy    yes
15:02 rubenwardy    wait
15:02 rubenwardy    anytime
15:03 rubenwardy    (missed the when)
15:03 rubenwardy    any time that is still today in the UK
15:08 Krock         here as well
15:19 sfan5         I guess we can do it right now then
15:21 Krock         what shall I do?
15:23 sfan5         don't think there's anything right now, I'll import the changes from weblate now
15:30 sfan5         ok, done
15:32 Krock         so what's left is merging master into stable and tagging it
15:32 rubenwardy    I'm just thinking over the credits - making it fair
15:32 Krock         oh! right
15:32 rubenwardy    and also merging credits
15:33 rubenwardy    should the credit heuristic be a flat number of commits? I'm looking over the list, and it looks OK
15:33 rubenwardy    there would be no changes for active contributors, and some changes in previous
15:33 rubenwardy    hmm
15:34 rubenwardy    bigger issue is not crediting translators
15:34 sfan5         game#2633 in this release, yes or no?
15:34 ShadowBot     https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/2633 -- Weather mod: Tune cloud density variation by paramat
15:35 Krock         I'd prefer to leave this tuning after the PR
15:35 rubenwardy    hmmm
15:35 Krock         s/PR/release/
15:35 rubenwardy    is the current behaviour broken?
15:35 sfan5         not broken, no
15:42 sfan5         5.3 it is then
15:45 sfan5         rubenwardy: didn't you say that a flat heuristic resulted in the same people? or is it about ordering?
15:45 rubenwardy    flat results in the same people for active contributors, but different people for previous
15:45 sfan5         oh
15:45 rubenwardy    for example, BenDeutsch (rendering, sqlite auth, server-side movement checking guy) would be dropped from the list
15:45 rubenwardy    and kaeza and some other people added
15:46 sfan5         hm
15:46 sfan5         despire it's problems I prefer the changed lines heuristic
15:46 sfan5         despite*
15:47 rubenwardy    ok
15:47 rubenwardy    yeah, it's not perfect but on average it's better
16:27 sfan5         #9593 is ready then?
16:27 ShadowBot     https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/9593 -- Update credits for 5.2.0 by rubenwardy
16:27 rubenwardy    yes,  although it doesn't credit translators
16:27 sfan5         unfortunate, we can fix this for 5.3
16:28 rubenwardy    I can quickly do that, and add it to Active Contributos
16:28 rubenwardy    but I do think they should be in their own section
16:28 sfan5         agree with that
16:36 rubenwardy    Do we still support Windows 7, given it's end-of-life?
16:37 rubenwardy    same for W8.1, it's only supported for those who pay for extended support
16:39 sfan5         I'd say yes
16:40 rubenwardy    there is interest in maintaining support for it I guess
16:40 rubenwardy    Krock: are you still on XP? :D
16:41 Krock         rubenwardy: switched entirely in 0.5.0-dev
16:41 rubenwardy    ok, so you're on Windows Vista now?
16:42 Krock         just build that thing and it'll probably still run on XP
16:42 sfan5         we didn't yet agree not to ship minimal in release build, did we?
16:42 Krock         that's yet not definitive?
16:42 rubenwardy    we did agree to not ship it
16:42 Krock         #6987
16:42 rubenwardy    the PR I made still has problems
16:42 ShadowBot     https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6987 -- Stop shipping Minimal development test in release builds?
16:43 Krock         it's definitive when a PR's merged
16:43 sfan5         ok but it's not merged so we're still going to ship it
16:43 sfan5         yea
16:43 Krock         exactly
16:44 sfan5         ok, windows build are done so I'll push out the release now
16:46 rubenwardy    https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/2633#issuecomment-609445239
16:46 rubenwardy    !title
16:46 ShadowBot     Weather mod: Tune cloud density variation by paramat · Pull Request #2633 · minetest/minetest_game · GitHub
16:46 rubenwardy    paramat says that that PR should be in 5.3.0?
16:46 rubenwardy    -2
16:47 rubenwardy    (MTG 5.2 hasn't been tagged yet)
16:47 sfan5         too late now
16:47 rubenwardy    ok
16:49 Krock         +1/-1 line in the wiki changelog
16:49 Krock         shall I merge and tag MTG, or is someone already on it?
16:50 sfan5         just done
16:50 rubenwardy    sfan5 just has
16:50 Krock         great :)
16:51 rubenwardy    web#201
16:51 ShadowBot     https://github.com/minetest/minetest.github.io/issues/201 -- Update website for Minetest 5.2.0 by rubenwardy
16:51 sfan5         you can merge that
16:51 Krock         the error is just locally, right?
16:51 rubenwardy    yeah, travis builds
16:52 Krock         I meant your gem setup
16:52 rubenwardy    yeah
16:53 rubenwardy    ok, I've tooted, tweeted, twatted, and more
16:53 Krock         quack
16:53 rubenwardy    quacked
16:59 rubenwardy    one thing I haven't done is posted
16:59 sfan5         hopefully I can convince the forum to let me post a topic
17:00 rubenwardy    I'll leave that to you  ?
17:02 rubenwardy    user says  "MT 5.2.0 feels more responsive than 5.1.1. Great job contributors!"
17:02 sfan5         they must've been very quick to test it in the 10 minutes it's been out ;)
17:03 rubenwardy    lol
17:04 rubenwardy    what's the verb for announcing on IRC
17:04 rubenwardy    tooted, tweeted, posted, chatted
17:04 Krock         spreaded
17:05 Krock         you could call it a NOTICE
17:05 DS-minetest   the thing that sfan did in #minetest felt like shouting, with the capital letters
17:19 rubenwardy    sfan5: found packaging/rules
17:24 sfan5         finally managed to put the right content into the post form, now I just need to retry it twen-
17:24 sfan5         oh
17:24 sfan5         it worked on the first try
17:34 Wuzzy         yeah whats up with these forums? something is really wrong o_O
17:35 Wuzzy         btw: woohoo 5.2.0 release! congrats ?
17:37 Wuzzy         Arch Linux package maintainer has been alerted.
18:27 kilbith       traditionally new release means new core-devs....
18:29 DS-minetest   Now that we are out of feature freeze, I'd like to remember you of some simple feature PRs, eg. #9423
18:29 ShadowBot     https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/9423 -- GUIFormSpecMenu: Add basic element highlighing debug feature by SmallJoker
18:35 * DS-minetest will also leave this here #9065 dup di dup di du
18:35 ShadowBot     https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/9065 -- Load media from subfolders by Desour
18:39 sfan5         I think I'll start with merging the PRs that already have approvals tomorrow
19:12 Wuzzy         rubenwardy: plz bump max version on content db to 5.2 thx
19:14 rubenwardy    Wuzzy: done
19:51 riceandbeans  yo, curious what you guys make of this error, I have 16G RAM and 16G swap and 3 terminals open and minetest running and it crashes OOM
19:51 riceandbeans  https://pastebin.com/FqqEZcy6
19:51 rubenwardy    that's an error with LuaJIT
19:52 riceandbeans  Can you please explain in slightly more detail?
19:52 rubenwardy    I'm typing
19:52 riceandbeans  Are you saying it's not something within Minetest but rather in something else?
19:52 riceandbeans  I'll also caveat that I'm a weirdo and playing ( or trying to since it dies in 5 seconds of gameplay ) on DragonFly BSD
19:52 rubenwardy    to resolve that, you can either:
19:52 rubenwardy    1. Uninstall mods which use a lot of memory, such as moretrees/biomeslib/mapgeny stuff
19:52 rubenwardy    2. Switch to a build that uses a GC64 edition of LuaJIT, where this bug is fixed
19:52 rubenwardy    3. Recompile without LuaJIT, and use PUC Lua instead
19:53 riceandbeans  This is a fresh install, fresh world, no mods at all
19:53 rubenwardy    weird
19:53 riceandbeans  All settings turned down
19:53 riceandbeans  I just installed like 10 minutes ago
19:53 rubenwardy    what minetest version?
19:53 riceandbeans  And like I said, I run a minimal setup on my workstation, Openbox for my WM, a couple terminals, one running top to track wtf is going on, one launching minetest, one SSH'd to a VPS to talk here...
19:54 riceandbeans  eh, one sec
19:54 riceandbeans  5.1.1
19:54 riceandbeans  That's what's available at this moment for binary package install
19:54 riceandbeans  There may be an update to that in a couple days when the bulk package build from upstream is done
19:55 rubenwardy    the out of memory isn't system memory, it's LuaJIT memeory
19:55 riceandbeans  Or well...it's done, but it's tagged staging at the moment
19:55 riceandbeans  limits says I have unlimited
19:55 riceandbeans  I don't know how to tell LuaJIT to calm down
19:56 riceandbeans  I was trying to show off to my kid and then it blew up on me and core dumped lol
19:56 rubenwardy    does it happen immediate?
19:56 riceandbeans  Nope.
19:56 riceandbeans  So, I can navigate the loading screen and go through all the various menus, frobbing whatever knobs freely
19:56 riceandbeans  I can generate a map and load into it
19:56 riceandbeans  If I stand still it seems to be ok for maybe 1-2 minutes
19:57 riceandbeans  If I engage any objects it lasts maybe 3-10 seconds before core dump, same reason every time
20:00 riceandbeans  Hmm, I'll check dports real quick
20:05 rubenwardy    first bug #9599
20:05 ShadowBot     https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/9599 -- English language missing from language menu
20:20 Wuzzy         lol
20:38 riceandbeans  Current dports has 5.1.1 :\
20:39 riceandbeans  :( also staged has 5.1.1 so I guess there was no update to it
20:39 riceandbeans  Sadness.
21:08 kilbith_      hum, did anyone notice this ~100 ms. lag between the actual node placing and the placing sound?
21:08 kilbith_      this is terrible
21:10 sfan5         in singleplayer?
21:10 kilbith_      yes
21:12 sfan5         sound and node placing (assuming prediction is not disabled) are both produced client-side
21:12 sfan5         riceandbeans: if it's not too bad for performance, have you considered switching to plain Lua instead?
21:12 kilbith_      yes but it used to be perfectly in sync
21:16 kilbith_      well maybe it's my bluetooth headphones idk
21:16 sfan5         bluetooth is definitely the first place i'd look for added latency
21:16 kilbith_      especially with the terrible audio managing on Linux
21:30 riceandbeans  sfan5: how would one do that?
21:30 sfan5         compile from source with -DENABLE_LUAJIT=FALSE as cmake flag
21:31 riceandbeans  Eh, let me see what I can do
21:32 riceandbeans  config options mentioned docs and examples
21:32 riceandbeans  maybe it's under minetest and not minetest_game
21:32 riceandbeans  AH, there it is
21:32 sfan5         minetest_game is just a bunch of lua files and textures, nothing to compile or configure there
21:33 riceandbeans  Ok, reconfigured, going to compile and reinstall, then try again
21:37 riceandbeans  I wonder how intense the dragonfly patches are
21:37 riceandbeans  Well, finished building and reinstalling....
21:37 riceandbeans  time to test...
21:39 riceandbeans  Ok, so far I played for like 2 minutes and no crashes
21:48 riceandbeans  So uh, how deep is the world because I dug straight down expecting bedrock and/or fallling out of the world but it's been descending for a long time
21:49 sfan5         about 30000 nodes
21:51 riceandbeans  How does one fly? I enabled double tap space to turn it on, but what is the actual button to fly?
21:54 Wuzzy         /grantme all
21:54 Wuzzy         then press K
21:55 Wuzzy         you need fly privilege to fly. on singleplayer you can just grant this privilege yourselves with /grantme fly
21:55 Wuzzy         on servers you might not have the fly privilege. its common on creative servers, but not guaranteed
21:57 Wuzzy         riceandbeans: see also: https://wiki.minetest.net/Differences_from_Minecraft
21:57 riceandbeans  I mean this is just screwing around on a local workstation
21:58 sfan5         or better: /grantme fly
21:58 sfan5         using /grantme all will also enable creative mode
21:58 sfan5         and one more thing: #minetest is the preferred channel for user support, this is the development one
22:00 riceandbeans  Well...the good news is it seems to be working. The bad news is I can't get the dports guys to change the default compile option, so I have to actually debug the luajit and make a patch
22:01 sfan5         there isn't anything to debug really
22:01 riceandbeans  So, the next question would be is it the minetest usage of luajit on dragonfly, or is it something broken in luajit itself on dragonfly.
22:02 riceandbeans  I have nothing else I know that uses it to test
22:02 sfan5         luajit uses the upper 33(?) bits of addresses to store other data, so it can only use memory that is available with an address under 2 GB
22:02 sfan5         but if the OS can't give it that exact memory it runs out .. even if it has only allocated a couple of MB
22:03 sfan5         this isn't specific to Minetest, DragonflyBSD or Unix-like systems
22:03 sfan5         here's an existing issue thread: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2988
22:13 riceandbeans  That's disheartening.
22:14 rubenwardy    next top priority: #9066
22:14 ShadowBot     https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/9066 -- Android: add Android Studio support, completely redone build system and java part by MoNTE48
22:14 sfan5         riceandbeans: if you upgrade luajit to 2.1.0-beta(something) you can enable GC64 and get both great Lua performance and no memory usage cap
22:15 riceandbeans  luajit-2.0.5_4                 Just-In-Time Compiler for Lua
22:15 riceandbeans  Perhaps 2.1 will come to us soon...
22:16 sfan5         I doubt your bsd will want to package a beta version
22:16 riceandbeans  Any idea their release schedule?
22:17 sfan5         quite dead
22:17 sfan5         2.1.0-beta3 is from 2017, that should say enough
22:17 riceandbeans  Ugh
22:18 riceandbeans  Do I dare ask why there's continued usage of a dead lib?
22:18 riceandbeans  I read about performance in the one bug, but still
22:18 rubenwardy    I mean, Irrlicht is way worse and is required by Minetest
22:18 rubenwardy    Irrlicht is the 3d rendering library, and it's last actual release was 2013
22:18 sfan5         lack of alternative, the performance of plain Lua often just doesn't cut it
22:18 rubenwardy    they've had backports since, but they've been working on the next release for 7 years
22:19 sfan5         (but don't let this discourage you from playing with plain lua, it's fine in many cases)
22:19 rubenwardy    and yeah, LuaJIT is just that much better than Lua. I've never had a OOM, I don't know why it happens so much for many people
22:19 rubenwardy    plain Lua will be fine for most people
22:19 riceandbeans  What about a fork of luajit to accomplish what's needed for the dead project?
22:19 sfan5         rubenwardy: 1.8.4 is from 2013
22:19 riceandbeans  Maybe the same for irrlicht?
22:20 sfan5         but I guess you mean 1.8.1, which is indeed from 2013
22:20 rubenwardy    Irrlicht 1.8 = Nov 2012
22:20 rubenwardy    1.8.4 was 2016
22:21 sfan5         riceandbeans: we do not have the capacity and time to maintain a fork of a luajit, especially not at the complexity it has
22:21 sfan5         for Irrlicht: fortunately there are currently no terrible issues that would prevent us from continuing to use the Irrlicht version from 2016
22:21 riceandbeans  sfan5: Well, I didn't necessarily mean you specifically, but I can't imagine you're the only consumers of a dead project
22:22 sfan5         correct
22:22 sfan5         and in fact some people have had the same idea already: https://github.com/moonjit/moonjit
22:23 sfan5         rubenwardy: eh yes meant 2016
22:23 riceandbeans  Ok, so call me crazy, but has anyone ever tried using moonjit instead of luajit for minetest?
22:23 sfan5         I've heard it works
22:24 riceandbeans  I've never looked at the code I have no idea the complexity within it.
22:26 riceandbeans  Also C++ isn't my strong suite. I know several scripting languages comfortably, Rust, and Go.
22:55 rubenwardy    5.1.0 bug report: https://quey.org/@moongaia/103947686435316073
22:56 rubenwardy    I'm asking them to update, disregard