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IRC log for #minetest-dev, 2019-06-21

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00:13 rubenwardy handy list https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pulls?q=is%3Apr+is%3Aopen+sort%3Aupdated-desc+label%3A%22One+approval%22
00:16 rubenwardy merging #8537 in 10
00:16 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/8537 -- Small buildbot improvements by EvidenceBKidscode
00:19 rubenwardy #8580
00:19 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/8580 -- Fix command line handling by mmattes
00:19 rubenwardy and
00:32 rubenwardy should #8537 be squashed? nerzhul?
00:32 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/8537 -- Small buildbot improvements by EvidenceBKidscode
00:32 rubenwardy probably, the changes are small and related
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00:34 rubenwardy hey paramat
00:42 rubenwardy has bendeutsch definitely left Minetest?
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01:18 rubenwardy So, Github has an annoying "feature" where it loses the last updated time from all PRs when your force push to master
01:30 paramat oh um
01:31 paramat not sure about 'left', see what they wrote in one of their WIP PRs
01:31 rubenwardy (from github support https://i.rubenwardy.com/gryJI.png )
01:32 paramat ahh
01:32 paramat i noticed that too,
01:33 paramat thought it was a bug
01:34 paramat here https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/7517#issuecomment-502256493
01:36 paramat recent slow dev is frustrating for contributors, so i can understand why some are drifting away
01:38 paramat not saying that's the case with bendeutsch though, more generally
02:14 rubenwardy https://words.steveklabnik.com/how-to-be-an-open-source-gardener
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03:04 rubenwardy I would like to close #7740
03:05 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/7740 -- client connect using proxy, how to made it? or SOCKS5?
03:05 rubenwardy thoughts
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12:28 BuckarooBanzai !tell paramat i read your message about contributors loosing interest in their PR's. it would be nice to know who actively works on the game and who is "responsible" for what. That would make the whole thing a little more transparent IMO...
12:28 ShadowBot BuckarooBanzai: O.K.
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14:25 nerzhul There was a doc about this in the dev wiki if i remember
14:34 rubenwardy Maybe you're thinking of the deprecated subsystem thing!
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16:19 twoelk rubenwardy: I just created a new category (Organisation) on the dev-wiki, did you have further plans with the moddingbook pages? mind if I collect the stub's and links into one page?
16:36 rubenwardy I have no further plans, I didn't know how to delete them
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18:57 Krock will push https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/8608#issuecomment-504103472 in 15 minutes
19:16 Krock pushing
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20:22 Daisae I see a bug in a mods hudbars and mana with them overlapping the user area below.  The mods' author, Wuzzy, does not know the problem.  Do you think it is with the mod or the minetest framework ?  Here is an example.  https://files.catbox.moe/sgqimc.png
20:22 Daisae It happens with other users also, apparently.  I tested with 2 DPI values and it made no difference.
20:23 Wuzzy i have heard of the problem, many people were reporting it, but *I* was unable to reproduce it
20:23 Wuzzy i have no idea if it really is hudbar's (=my) fault or not
20:24 Wuzzy other people were coming from Windows and only report the bug for certain DPI values ... strange
20:25 Krock Daisae: how about the application's compatibility options? What did you configure there regarding the scaling?
20:25 Daisae I am seeing it on Xorg.
20:25 Krock oof
20:26 Daisae All 'scaling' options in minetest.conf had been unset/default.
20:26 Krock using a recent irrlicht library, I assume? Shouldn't make a difference, though
20:26 Daisae irrlicht 1.8.4
20:27 Krock same here
20:28 Krock does it happen with a specific WM or for this machine? are there any similarities between the reported cases?
20:28 Wuzzy Krock: did you ever had hudbars screw up the HUD?
20:28 Krock Wuzzy: not sure. at least I don't remember any case. testing.
20:29 Krock works with XFCE, Irrlicht 1.8.4, ~92 DPI
20:29 Wuzzy try other DPI
20:29 Wuzzy note most frequent bug reports come from windows ppl
20:30 Daisae I tried configuring DPI=72 (the default) in minetest.conf.  That made no difference.
20:30 Krock dpi 62 made no difference
20:30 Daisae I can try running with fullscreen=yes . , which bypasses at least some things of the WM.
20:31 Wuzzy see latest forum posts for ppl reporting these offset problems:
20:31 Wuzzy https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=11153&start=150
20:31 Daisae It will take me away longer because I can not switch to IRC then.
20:31 Krock according to the docs, screen_dpi does not have any effect on xorg
20:31 Krock Alt-Tab?
20:33 Daisae Krock: What about alt-tab?  If I do fullscreen=yes then alt-tab and virtual workspaces are unavailable.
20:35 Krock ah okay. til.
20:36 Wuzzy Daisae: does it happen if you disable mana?
20:40 Wuzzy so, Krock, given that this HUDBARS problem appears to only occur to some people and not some other people, do you think it is far-fetched to believe the fault might be in Minetest, not hudbars?
20:41 Wuzzy i can't find a logical explanation why it would be triggered by the mod. i don't even have access to dpi setting as modder, haven't i?
20:42 Krock it's surely a HUD issue. If the C++ minimap is not affected by these offsets, then it's a Minetest HUD problem. Otherwise it's irrlicht
20:42 Daisae It remains the same even with fullscreen=true , filtering and shaders disabled.
20:42 Wuzzy thx
20:42 Daisae usully i have anisotropic filters + shaders.
20:42 Krock the HUD uses values from -1 to 1 so you don't have to care about DPI
20:43 Krock but apparently the offsets are scaled differently, depending on its type
20:43 Daisae Krock: have you tried HUD bars with tis irrlicht?
20:43 Krock i.e. statbars are different to images
20:44 Krock "tis"'
20:44 Daisae this
20:44 Krock what do you mean by that?
20:44 Daisae version 1.8.4
20:44 Daisae I know you have that version, but not whether you tried HUDbars with it.
20:45 Krock tested it around when I said <Krock> dpi 62 made no difference
20:49 Daisae Is the selection of Anisotropic ignored/unused if 'Texturing: No Filter' is selected ?
20:53 Daisae Wuzzy: It is the same problem, even if Mana is disabled.
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