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paramat |
sofar if possible could you review #5223 sometime? |
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ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/5223 -- Objectpos over limit: Avoid crash caused by sector over limit by paramat |
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| 04:36 |
sofar |
sfan5: hey |
| 04:36 |
sofar |
sfan5: about the fonts |
| 04:37 |
sofar |
sfan5: lucida sans is proprietary and costs money in order to ship |
| 04:37 |
sofar |
sfan5: so, if you really, REALLY, R E A L L Y want to keep non-freetype fonts around |
| 04:37 |
sofar |
then you, Y O U better come up with a solution that is better than mine |
| 04:38 |
sofar |
that's enough of that |
| 04:38 |
sofar |
cut the cord and move on, please |
| 04:38 |
sofar |
as far as I can see it we're in fucking deep trouble for shipping that file without a proper license anyway |
| 04:38 |
VanessaE |
<random luddite> But...but... muh pixels! |
| 04:38 |
VanessaE |
:) |
| 04:39 |
sofar |
maybe people don't understand the legal issue |
| 04:39 |
sofar |
and I don't want to put it in writing in github |
| 04:40 |
VanessaE |
*looks at Lucida license* |
| 04:40 |
VanessaE |
jeez. |
| 04:41 |
VanessaE |
You may embed the Fonts into electronic documents or graphic image files for personal, academic, or internal business use provided that (a) only subsets of the Fonts, consisting only of the characters used in the document or file, are embedded; and (b) the electronic documents or graphic files are distributed in a format that allows only printing and viewing, and prohibits editing or modifying the text |
| 04:41 |
VanessaE |
so minetest is in the clear, because they're distributed in an almost-useless irrlicht image format |
| 04:41 |
sofar |
not the right license |
| 04:41 |
sofar |
no |
| 04:41 |
sofar |
"electronic documents or graphic image files" |
| 04:42 |
sofar |
that's not what minetest is |
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sofar |
minetest is a program |
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sofar |
embedding in a mobile app is for a fee |
| 04:42 |
VanessaE |
hm. |
| 04:42 |
VanessaE |
either way, it's time to get rid of them |
| 04:42 |
sofar |
"electronic documents or graphic image files" means "pdf or picture" |
| 04:43 |
sofar |
like, you make a screenshot of a word document |
| 04:44 |
VanessaE |
doesn't say that in the license |
| 04:44 |
VanessaE |
they have to expressly define what an image is or isn't in the legalese |
| 04:44 |
sofar |
if the use is not covered in the license, the license does not grant the use |
| 04:44 |
VanessaE |
since they didn't, "image" is open to interpretation |
| 04:44 |
sofar |
https://www.myfonts.com/fonts/microsoft/lucida-sans/licensing.html |
| 04:44 |
sofar |
App: for embedding in mobile applications |
| 04:44 |
sofar |
Select this license type when you are developing an app for iOS, Android, or Windows Phone, and you will be embedding the font file in your mobile application’s code. |
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sofar |
This font's app license is: |
| 04:44 |
sofar |
Pay Once |
| 04:44 |
VanessaE |
I'm on lucidafonts.com |
| 04:45 |
VanessaE |
pretty sure it is the source of the font :P |
| 04:45 |
sofar |
according to wikipedia, microsoft owns the cont |
| 04:45 |
sofar |
https://www.microsoft.com/typography/fonts/family.aspx?FID=174 |
| 04:45 |
VanessaE |
Microsoft owns B&H? |
| 04:46 |
sofar |
35$ to use in a game |
| 04:46 |
sofar |
on catalog.monotype.com |
| 04:46 |
sofar |
You can use it for |
| 04:46 |
sofar |
Use fonts in your game |
| 04:46 |
sofar |
License is for specific game titles |
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sofar |
Based on platforms supported |
| 04:46 |
sofar |
35$ |
| 04:47 |
VanessaE |
this page disagrees with you... http://lucidafonts.com/pages/trademark |
| 04:47 |
sofar |
wait, weird cart system |
| 04:48 |
sofar |
750$ for a single mobile game license |
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sofar |
VanessaE: you did read the EULA that that trademark page refers to? |
| 04:50 |
VanessaE |
skimmed over it yes |
| 04:50 |
sofar |
it clearly says: one use only, no distribution |
| 04:50 |
sofar |
plus we don't ship the EULA |
| 04:51 |
sofar |
so, again, all our users are in violation |
| 04:51 |
sofar |
... this can all go away in 3 minutes of time ... |
| 04:52 |
sofar |
"you many not embed the Fonts in an application or app for mobile phones, electronic tablets, tablet computers, or similar platforms" |
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VanessaE |
I agree with you 100% to get rid of them, but I think you're overstating the danger a little :) |
| 04:53 |
sofar |
well to me the risk is real, since I can't associate myself with OSS projects that are in clear license violation |
| 04:53 |
VanessaE |
the worst they'd have done, most likely, since this isn't a commercial product, is send someone a nastygram ordering the fonts removed and deleted. |
| 04:53 |
VanessaE |
(which is what you're proposing to do anyway) |
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sofar |
I can lose my job if this doesn't get resolved and I become complacent |
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sofar |
my employer will not tolerate it |
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sofar |
end of story |
| 04:54 |
sofar |
if someone wants to offer a different legal interpretation? I can't accept that. |
| 04:54 |
sofar |
too much personal risk for me |
| 04:54 |
VanessaE |
don't you have commit access anyway? |
| 04:55 |
sofar |
and sfan5 would just revert it |
| 04:55 |
VanessaE |
hm |
| 05:03 |
sofar |
meh |
| 05:03 |
sofar |
it doesn't help that nobody gives a shit |
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VanessaE |
I'm sure people care but you know how it can be here. |
| 05:06 |
sofar |
yeah, 9pm pst and its just you in here and this weird echo |
| 05:08 |
VanessaE |
so ping a few people :) |
| 05:18 |
Zeno` |
hmm |
| 05:18 |
sofar |
you know, FINE, I'm more interested in fixing the license issues than removing freetype |
| 05:18 |
sofar |
I'm submitting a patch that keeps old deadweight code around just so I can convince one dev |
| 05:19 |
VanessaE |
no |
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Zeno` |
can't we just use a different font? |
| 05:19 |
sofar |
it's an old bitmap font |
| 05:19 |
sofar |
generated with a tool that segfaults for me |
| 05:19 |
sofar |
no |
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sofar |
NO |
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Zeno` |
bitmap fonts are not (C)-able |
| 05:19 |
sofar |
I am not wasting my time on that tool |
| 05:19 |
sofar |
it's from 2003 |
| 05:20 |
VanessaE |
Zeno`: maybe not but they can be (and are)_ trademarked |
| 05:20 |
Zeno` |
the typeface, yeah |
| 05:20 |
VanessaE |
from a legal-we'll-fuck-you-over standpoint, it may as well be copyright. |
| 05:21 |
Zeno` |
so... we cannot use a different font because...? |
| 05:21 |
VanessaE |
because they're very difficult to create in a form Minetest/irrlicht can use |
| 05:21 |
VanessaE |
see above about that segfaulting tool |
| 05:21 |
VanessaE |
I've used it also |
| 05:21 |
VanessaE |
it's a right pain in the ass. |
| 05:21 |
sofar |
hey lets use the old version, under wine! |
| 05:21 |
sofar |
yeah, that'll look great |
| 05:21 |
VanessaE |
sofar: you know...come to think of it, I might have done just that. |
| 05:22 |
sofar |
for exactly who? the 0 users that are holding out on freetype? |
| 05:22 |
sofar |
wtf? |
| 05:22 |
VanessaE |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4436 |
| 05:22 |
VanessaE |
maybe you can use those, idk |
| 05:22 |
Zeno` |
who does NOT use freetype? |
| 05:22 |
VanessaE |
Zeno`: only luddites, really. |
| 05:22 |
sofar |
sfan5, apparently :) |
| 05:23 |
VanessaE |
sofar: note this, https://github.com/kahrl/irrtum |
| 05:23 |
VanessaE |
THAT is what I used |
| 05:24 |
VanessaE |
(I'm a little surprised my old forum thread is still there) |
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Zeno` |
oh I see the issue now. irrlicht format... of course |
| 05:25 |
VanessaE |
according to The Great Wikipedia, Dejavu fonts are public domain. |
| 05:25 |
sofar |
deja vu is fine, yes |
| 05:25 |
sofar |
it's the other 4 that are bad |
| 05:26 |
VanessaE |
so you're more than welcome to use the bitmaps I put in that forum post if you really must keep bitmap fonts to keep sfan5 et al. happy :) |
| 05:26 |
sofar |
you know |
| 05:26 |
sofar |
fuck that |
| 05:26 |
sofar |
that's just irresponsible |
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VanessaE |
heh ok |
| 05:31 |
sofar |
sorry, walked away from keyboard for a bit to cool off |
| 05:32 |
VanessaE |
no worries. |
| 05:34 |
VanessaE |
this is the part where sapier is supposed to pop in and say something snarky... ;) |
| 05:35 |
sofar |
at work, if we would make a mistake like this, what do you think would happen |
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VanessaE |
(if memory serves, he created all of those variously-sized bitmaps, but I don't remember why) |
| 05:35 |
sofar |
we'd be at 20 news sites lyncning my company |
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sofar |
screaming we're the baddies |
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VanessaE |
well for sure, someone would be fired I suppose |
| 05:36 |
VanessaE |
and someone else would be sued |
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OldCoder |
Wait |
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OldCoder |
There are loads of compatible fonts |
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celeron55 |
how about just remove the font so the ones who use bitmap fonts have some motivation to make one |
| 07:19 |
sofar |
that's what the new patch does |
| 07:19 |
sofar |
it leaves the only font that is ok to leave as is |
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OldCoder |
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OldCoder |
"run_at_every_load = 1" doesn't work for LBMs. If I force a load by changing an LBM name randomly on every run of a _game... |
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OldCoder |
will that pile up storage of LBM timestamps or will old timestamps disappear? |
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OldCoder |
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OldCoder |
sofar, VanessaE, celeron55 ? |
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sofar |
boolean, not '1' |
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sofar |
'true' |
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celeron55 |
in Lua, 1 == false |
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celeron55 |
because lol |
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Zeno` |
sofar, I'm ok with it |
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Zeno` |
that patch |
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celeron55 |
or, i mean; that statement is not true |
| 07:39 |
sofar |
#5230 |
| 07:39 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/5230 -- FreeType: address font license issue, remove non-freetype builds. by sofar |
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Zeno` |
yes |
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Zeno` |
if everything is fine with it, +1 from me |
| 07:39 |
sofar |
actually subject is wrong |
| 07:39 |
sofar |
it doesn't remove non-freetype builds |
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Zeno` |
*nod* |
| 07:39 |
Zeno` |
just one font left. that's fine I think |
| 07:39 |
Zeno` |
for the 2 players who don't use freetype :) |
| 07:40 |
celeron55 |
eh, i mean, 1 != true |
| 07:40 |
sofar |
Zeno`: I'll likely push later, just before bed |
| 07:40 |
sofar |
get it over with |
| 07:40 |
Zeno` |
celeron55, that caught me a few weeks ago. Had be stumped for hours |
| 07:40 |
Zeno` |
s/be/me |
| 07:40 |
sofar |
sfan5 pretty much ok'd it in this form |
| 07:40 |
Zeno` |
ok, so two +1's :) |
| 07:41 |
sofar |
$ lua |
| 07:41 |
sofar |
> 1 == false |
| 07:41 |
sofar |
false |
| 07:41 |
sofar |
lol |
| 07:41 |
sofar |
1 is neither true nor false in my lua |
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celeron55 |
yes, it's neither |
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celeron55 |
it's completely logical as the type system is very simple |
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celeron55 |
if types don't match, the comparison doesn't matchj |
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celeron55 |
and numbers aren't booleans |
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celeron55 |
most languages complicate it further from that |
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nrzkt |
seems i forget to publish mt 0.4.15 on playstore, if i remember we had some gradle issues |
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nrzkt |
i fixed it in master but after release if i remembered |
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nrzkt |
currently there are 4412 installations |
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sfan5 |
<sofar> sfan5 pretty much ok'd it in this form |
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sfan5 |
i didn't |
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sfan5 |
also i'm wondering why we arent allowed to use droidsansfallback |
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sfan5 |
also it's called fallback font for a good reason |
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sfan5 |
you just broke support of chinese & japanese |
| 11:42 |
sfan5 |
#5231 |
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ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/5231 -- Chinese & Japanese characters don't appear |
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crazyR |
is there anyway to get a list of curently loaded chunks? |
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red-001 |
is #5231 for non-freetype builds or all builds? |
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ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/5231 -- Chinese & Japanese characters don't appear |
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sofar |
sfan5: I read your comment above |
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sfan5 |
red-001: it's broken in all builds, however for non-freetype builds it's not (really) fixable |
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sofar |
would putting the fallback font back fix it? |
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sofar |
non-freetype bitmap fonts have a really limited amount of characters |
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sfan5 |
<sofar> would putting the fallback font back fix it? |
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sfan5 |
yes |
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sofar |
ok, I'll make a patch when I get out of work |
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paramat |
est31 nerzhul nore rubenwardy please can anyone review this simple crashfix #5223 ? |
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ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/5223 -- Objectpos over limit: Avoid crash caused by sector over limit by paramat |
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red-001 |
I though this was fixed? #5232 |
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ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/5232 -- Falling nodes loses their meta info |
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